City Council - Regular Meeting

That's the one I want. Bernstein. I hear Bertrand. Here, Rayford. Here. Shaner. Here. Scott here. Couldt prayer followed by the Plee of Allegiance? Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands. Oneh nation under God, indivisible, wit liberty and justice for all. Shannon.s Proclamation that reads. Wherea the month of March has been designated as National Problem Gambling Month, whereas problem gambling is a public health issue affecting millions of Americans ofds all ages, racs and ethnic backgroun, and carries significant societal and economicbu costs for individuals, families, sinesses and i communities. Whereas problem gamblings treatable and treatment is effective in minimizing this harm to both individuals and society as a whole,on and numerous individuals, professials, and organizations have dedicated their efforts to educating the public about problem gambling and theat availability and effectiveness of trement. i Whereas Rosenkranz Jackson Centernvite all residents of the City of Sioux City to participate in National Problem Gambling Awareness Month. Now,t, mayor of the City ofioux City, Iowa, on behalf of the City Council, do hereby proclaimre March 26th this problem Gambling Awaness Month in Sioux City,su Iowa and encourage all our citizens to pportli the National Council on Problem Gambngff and Rosenkranz Jackson Center in their eorts to have

account have the conversation with friends, family, patients,l clients about gambling addiction. I'dike to present this to you and say a few words, if you would. Thank you. Good a afternoon. My name is Shannon Ringer,nd for the last twor years I've been the compliance manage at hard Rock Sioux City.i I want to thank you very much for ts proclamation. Every March, hard Rock Sioux City takes several initiatives to bring awareness not onlyco to or team members, but also to the mmunity of the problems that the problems and issues that come from gambling addictions. Wend we take responsible gaming very seriously, a we continue to do training throughout the year, and we work very closely with Rosecrance. We have aro vey good relationship with them. They pvide us withar materials and training throughout the ye and we really appreciate this. Thank you. Madam Clause, you want to come up here? Mr. Lindbloom? Oh my goodness. We have a commendation today that reads.d Whereas on behalf of the city of Sioux City an the countless families whose holidays have been touched by your generosity, the city extends its y deepest appreciation and heartfelt thanks forour extraordinary 44 years of service as Santa Claus. Whereas for more than four h decades, you've embodied the true spirit of theoliday season, bringing joy, wonder and magic tout generations of children and families througho yourd warmth and through your warmth, kindness, an unwavering dedication. Whereas yourpr welcoming smile, gentle words and consistent esence have made the holiday

brighter and more meaningfulan for our community year after year. And for my children, you were their Santa, my kids and my grandkids. Thank you. Whereas is exemplary to note that you have selfishly offered your time and service in this role at no cost. And during the most recent holiday season alone, you wore the Santa suit and extra nor extraordinary 22nd times and were few roles carry such a lasting ait meaningful impact on the children of this communy. And through your consistency and generosity, over 44 years, your presence has become a cherished tradition and living piece of Sioux City history. Now,f therefore, I, Robert Scott, mayor of the City oSioux City, Iowa, on behalf of the City Council, do hereby commend Dick Lindbloom for the time he you have volunteered in the lasting legacy you leaveth through treasured memories and enduring spirit of e season. I present that to you and say a few words, if you would. Well, I never thought 44 years would be a magic number, but hopefully u I'll have a few more for Ike to be able to pick mep. You know, for the lighted holiday parade. Thank you, thank you. We'll have an interview with Active Transportation and Katherine Pfaffle. Hello, I'm Kathy Pepple want to serve on another committee. I think I could assist. Yes. Play your cards right. You might bet. on every board and commission we have. I think I'm shor Justre a couple. Yes. Yeah. I appreciate your interest. There aut vacancies. I'm glad that you're interested in this, b I also appreciate your service on the other

boards and commissions that you help with. Thank you. Questions for. Oh, I think it'd be a good fit. You're going to stay on the other committee too, thoughI think we my term's coming up but I'd like to to continue. I think part of what we have to do today is actually approve, because we have to waive the rules to allow you to do so, but not until r she actually makes the agenda. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Allight. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Today the consent agenda is item three through 12 H. You consider these to pass unanimously unless a separate roll call votes asked for by a council member.up Do you want to speak n any of these items? Please come as I read them. If you want to speak on an item, notl on the agenda, please come up under citizen concerns, I'l move the consent agenda. Second three is the reading of the February 23rd City Council minutes. Can Iod ask a question about this? And I don't know if there's anyby to address this. And I'm not necessarily asking that we revise this, but I meant to ask last week and we moved through it. But on item 18, D is a resolution amending a purchase order to address separation of Arlington, Texas, to increase the purchase order by an additional $34,989. Is there anybody here on that item? The question that I've got is this addition was as a result of the equipment was sent down, they reevaluated it after having bid the project. Is that correct? Vicki Baker, assistant public works Director. So they bid back on a general scope of, what, 22 or 12,000 repair would be. Once we then ship it to them, they tear it apart, find out it's the additional, the additional work. So is it customary to have them, as you described, tear it apart and then amend? Yes, and ask for the additional? Were there

other bids that might have been less than this? $34,000? I'm not sure if any other bids came in, but Andrews is the manufacturer of the equipment. Okay, okay. Thank you. I need to abstain. I was not here for a motion appointing Mike Henderson to the Yamanashi City sister city. Sister city Committee five is a resolution accepting the State Housing Trust Fund grant agreement between the City Housing Trust Fund and the Iowa Finance Authority. Six is a resolution amending the authorized personnel complement the Position Classification Manual, the salary schedule, by approving an updated job description for landscape technician and reclassifying one labor crew leader position to landscape technician. What does this do to the salary component? Thanks, Kelly. Kelly Parks Maintenance not field supervisor anymore. Parkca superintendent gotta get used to that change. That was a classifition change I do there. There is no financial impact in this, even over I believe it's range 817. So it's just even over. Very good. Just looking at clarifying a few things. Okay, great. Thanks, Kelly seven or actions relating to agreements and contracts as a resolution approving a grade crossing signal installation agreement with BNSF in connection with the grade Crossing Service Repair project at Pearl Street. B, is a resolution approving a consulting services agreement with DDR engineering for the Pulaski Park Storm Water Pipe Replacement Project. Gordon,

why are why? Tell me again why we can't use the 12 by 12 that we paid $1 million for one other time when I was on the council that we've never figured out why we did that. That's the box culvert, right? Yes. Currently it is being used for a water line going in the in the corner. It runs through it. Yes. Across it or no longitudinally with it inside. But the reason we can't use it is we've looked at it and we'd have to go underneath the railroad and through a private property into the Bacon Creek Channel, old Bacon Creek Channel to get it to drain. Why did we build it? We had to have right of way at one time to do that. I couldn't answer that. Well, how did we lose the right of way? That was way before my time. So I couldn't tell you on that. I've talked to Paul Stenson on it, and he had no information on that railroad crossing at all. It would be a big crossing under the railroad to I don't even know if they, they, they obviously go for it eventually, but it'd be big. Well how are you going to get rid of the water? It's going to go through the current ditch that we have. We're putting bigger pipes up to that point. What's in there now? Oh, vice pipe, I don't remember. I think it's a 72. That's what or. No, I think it's bigger than that. I can find that out and get back to you. I would like to defer that until we know. Do a little more research. Yeah, I, I'd move we defer for at least a week to get more information. I'm sorry I didn't get to you earlier, but I just heard from Paul a minute ago or so. I'll second the request to defer before we vote. Can I ask one other question? Certainly. On section seven on the

engineering fees, task six talks about limited construction administration for $22,040. How do you determine that amount? Because it seems like that's the component that always has a change order or always has actually on the ones you're referring to is actually when it is full construction, inspection and administration. This one is just the limited one where they're just they they kind of guess at what they're going to need to talk to contractors about if they have any kind of questions through RFI or through some submittal review, it's very limited on it. It's only $22,000. But the concern I had was that it would exceed that number. So if it's less than that number, do we get a reduction to the contract? Yeah. Okay. A motion and a second on the floor. Bertrand Rayford I. Boehner, I Scott I Bernstein, I. He is a resolution approving a consulting services agreement with Felsburg Holt and Ulbig for the fifth Street and Court Street traffic signal replacement project d is a resolution approving a contract to Barth. Directional drilling for the fiber optic. Project E is a resolution granting a permit to imon communications to maintain. Maintain underground fiber on fourth Street. Can I ask a question on both E and F? So. This is granted without the franchise fee, but they're still not a permit fee or any other fee that attaches to. There is a permit fee for each one of these, but there's not a but they're not required to pay the franchise fee. Correct? Correct. So the permit fee is simply to

do the work, but we don't generate any income for the occupancy of of their fiber. Correct. Are we not permitted to to do so or we just don't don't as far as I know, because it's it's not inconsistent with the franchise fee. Correct? Correct. Franchise fee allowed on cable. I didn't think it was. I didn't think it was allowed. What was allowed? Franchise fee. When it's franchise fees, we do get fees back through the state. Well not necessarily. We used to have it with cable one or whatever they call it now. Sparklight but I thought that went away. The state took it. Yeah. So the state collects it and we get a kickback. Correct? I don't think the state gets one. They just they had the right to go to the state to be regulated rather than the city. And everybody chose to go to the state because nobody regulates them. Then I was under the impression that we got a kickback fee for that. Well, that'd be interesting, but I don't. Teresa. Teresa, do we get any franchise fee on cable? I mean, on internet. Finance director. Yes, we do get franchise fees on cable, but I do not believe on these were eligible for them on on this on this. Right. On the fiber. Correct. Thank you both. F is a resolution granting a permit to Metro fiber net to maintain underground fiber adjacent to Sunnybrook drive. G is resolution approving a renewal option number one to the service provider agreement with Langenfeld contracting for the wastewater, biosolids, transportation, and Land Application program. I just have one correction on the RCA.

It said three year contract. It was actually a four year contract. The resolution and the contract extension were correct. So it's just a minor. H is resolution approving a statement of work and payment with payment Corporation to initiate central square fusion interactive voice responsive integration on a new terminal line access. This has got to be a John Malloy deal, not yours. John. Finance director. This is actually the product that I was talking about this weekend. When we do IVR payments over the phone, we'd have the ability to take credit card payments over the phone. So it's interfacing with Central Square. So and there's no financial impact here. No, no I as a resolution approving renewal option number one to the consulting services agreement with Arc star Group for consulting services at the airport J. Excuse me. Mayor. Can I ask a question? Is this coming out of the airport's budget? It is. And we're approving it. It's in our operating budget. Okay. Very good. J as a resolution approving an agreement with perfect mind for software as a service and professional services K as a resolution approving amendment number one to the Memorandum of Understanding with the Sioux City Assessor's Office, the Conference Board, the Woodbury County Assessor's Office, and Conference Board in the ICC Commission relating to Geographic Information System Services and operation aid or Actions authorizing payment. A is a resolution authorizing. Mayor, I'm sorry, can I go back to J. There's a typo that was in last week's materials. If you go to page 179, there's a reference to I think it's supposed to be $5,600, but there's no period. I don't want

there to be any confusion. Just make a correction on page 179 that the five comma 6000 should be $5,600, not 56,000. That's it. Eight or actions authorizing payments as a resolution authorizing payment of Retainage to H&R Construction Company for the new utilities field office building. Project B is a resolution authorizing payment to the Idot for traffic signal detection for the hot Mix asphalt overlay project, Iowa 376 project C is resolution approving settlement of a tort claim and authorizing payment ikenberry. Nine or actions relating to properties A through C are resolutions authorizing release of mortgages with Siouxland Habitat for humanity for the construction of single family housing units located at 1816 Harkin Place, 1822 Harkin place. In 1735 Harkin place D is a resolution authorizing certificate certification of completion for the development Agreement for Siouxland Habitat for humanity for the construction of three single family units located at 1735, 1816 and 1822 Harkin Place. Is there anybody here that wants to talk about that? What the plan is we can I think these are already that we can celebrate that this is. Joe Watershed Neighborhood services manager. These were some projects that were actually done several years ago. I think they wrapped right around Covid. And so the city partnered with habitat at the time to deed over three lots to them. They built three homes and now it was just an oversight. They need to be released since families living their happy, healthy and wise. Yep. And actually this got brought up

because one of them is being sold right now. So it came up in a title. And so and we've got a couple more that we worked with over off Center Street on Myrtle. There are three lots. Again, the city had we deeded over to habitat, those homes are now done and sold. So pretty exciting. Yeah, we're making headway on some family homes and I thank you for that. Thank you, thank you. Jen is purchasing a as a resolution awarding a purchase order to Burt Gurney and Associates for one mix flow propeller unit. He is a resolution awarding a purchase order to Malloy Electric for the repair of one Fairbanks Morse pump, HP and motor. See is a resolution awarding a purchase order to Riverside Technology for desktops and monitors for the county replacement project. Just a quick clarification. This is that it's for the purchase of Tops and monitors. I assume you mean desktop computers. Is that right, John? It just says desktops and monitors. I assume that means desktop computers. John Malloy, I.T. you're correct. Okay, thanks. Leavener applications for alcohol licenses 12 for board, commission and committee minutes. This concludes the consent agenda. Anyone to be heard on any of those items? Passes. Five zero 13 is a hearing and resolution adopting the comprehensive solid waste reduction plan. I'll move. That second hearings now. Open anyone to be heard. Seeing none.

The hearing is closed. Did I want to just confirm? The Environmental Advisory Board reviews and approves this? Correct. That was part of their minutes. Did I see that correctly? Before it gets to us? Our Montana environmental. Yes. So this is about that ordinance on the ordinance. Yeah. Rate increase. That's just the comprehensive plan. This is the plan that has to be reviewed in the EAB. Did look at the rates. No, no. Passes five zero 14 is an ordinance amending chapter 5.20 entitled Solid Waste to Municipal Code. First consideration was approved February 9th. Second consideration was approved February 23rd, 2026. I'll move third reading I'll second that. The amendments were. So, Teresa, were you? There you are. So you talked. We talked about. The fee on the second can. Right. Can you share with the council, with the public what we kind of found out what the first of all, give us the structure on what the first can rate is in the second can rate. I I'm going to have to do that for you. I'm not 100% sure exactly how the how and why they've come up with that structure. I can tell you what what it is will be. So the 95 gallon can the first can itself is $18.93, the secondary per can. And then the additional can is $4.63 for additional rates coming. Yep.

Those are those would be the new rates. Yes. The 26 rate that we're currently at is $18.38 for the 95 gallon, and $4.50 for an additional can. So what percentage of people get the additional can do we know that we have 21,000, nearly 21,500 additional cans additional. So it's it's about 18 versus four if you get a second can. And the point that we were talking about in operations was is that. Yeah. That the truck is still rolling down the road. But the reality of it is they're still picking up tonnage and putting it on. So to try to defer some of the cost on the everyday taxpayer on the single cans, especially a lot of our older community that that get calls on the says that they don't even fill up a full can every time. Sure. I think I'd like to leave it. So it's worth basically about 26,000 per dollar. So it's 21,530 1000 a year would be about $257,000 per month. If you had a buck just to the additional cans, how much a buck a month. I actually like the idea of adding two and a half. I think it's still a steal. You take it to six and a half on the second can, and that would generate a straight at a half million, wouldn't it? Yeah, actually beyond that, yeah, about 600 would still be Mister Mayor. It'd still be 18, almost 19 bucks versus six and a half on the second can I will say that will grow the fund. Yeah. That's okay to be aware about $0.50 on the big cans. We can offset that. I know we can, but that's what brought the discussion up. We don't want to raise $0.50 on a big can, but we're willing to raise dollars on the second, I think, because they've never been raised before. I mean, it's to me, it's a complete oversight by the city is I'm not I'm trying to figure out why we charge 18. And then for that's what we worked out with Gil. They're not charging us any more than that. They're not. I don't believe they're charging us for the tonnage. I believe they're

charging us for their staff. The the trucks, the gas, the labor, right, the trucks, the gas, the labor. All is based upon how many trips they got to go to the landfill. So if you have if for every second can there is they build that into how they, they, they price out their contract and they bill us out. So indirectly you are they the the secondary can to me is if, if the everyday citizen doesn't want rates to raise, here's the way to do it. Because the second can is optional. You don't have an option to drop a can. You have to have a, you have to have a can. If you have a home, you don't have a choice. It's like sewer rates, you runoff fee, you have to pay it. But to have a second can is a choice. And that choice if you have a large family because you have to be able to close a lid per our ordinance. Like I said, it's a choice. So the the $4 versus you're not asking you to do dollar for dollar 18 to 18. But if you're looking at a way to offset the people, I think the most vulnerable people that $0.70 or two bucks a month makes a difference to. I think you can offset it by just saying if you got the second or the third can. And I think it even plays more into there's some houses that I even know in my own neighborhood that have, you know, 6 or 7 cans, eight cans. And I guess I question what they're doing with that. Are they using more of a commercial use anyway when you start looking at that many cans? So I'd like to see an amendment at to leave harmless the first can no leave harmless. Yeah. No leave leave harmless the first can you wouldn't. No no rate increase on the first can. What's that worth that that the revenue in the first can. That was there's 26,639 on the on the 18 bucks that the bump you're taking Teresa. About 50,000. That's what I thought. So if you again we got to be creative here and I don't and I don't think and we're not targeting anybody. And I think it helps the most vulnerable. Let's let's leave harmless the single can the original rate. And I like two and a half I think it still makes it six and

a half, which is still not even 40% roughly of a second can if you were to go dollar for dollar. And I think that the public can understand it and can agree with it. So if you don't give the rate increase on the first, can you lose 50 grand? Correct. So you don't to do what you guys want to do, you only have to raise. That's per percentage I apologize. That's per percentage. So it's it's actually I mean it's a little more than that hundred and 50,000. So it's 50,000 per percentage. So 1% equals 50,000. So the 3% is about 150,000. And then 2% would be 100,000. And then the 1% is 50,000. So each percentage amount is about 50,000. But I think the original idea was they were going to we're going to try to spread that fund out, Mister Mayor, maybe like a percent each for three years. Right. Try to make that extent. I mean, that's talking about or possibly 2% per year. Right? Right. That was an option. Yes. Yeah. I look at this no different than like a gas tax. It's a user fee. If you don't use the second can it doesn't affect you. Everybody has to have the first one. You're going to have a lot of second cans coming back though because I've rarely used. Great. That's great. Less tonnage that or we have the your as Julie said we have to have your container closed. If it's open you can get a fine because it can cause litter. I'm afraid that people are going to give back that second container and try to shove everything in the first one, or have it overflowing onto the ground. That would be my let's not assume. Let's just see what happens. I think, I think, I don't think anybody's going to give up their can. I'm just throwing that out there as a concern. So I'm going to I'm still trying to figure this out. So 1% is 50 grand. On the first. You want at least two two. Well the option was that you could do you could spread that out what we have in the fund. So

right. That would make sure the fund is still has some funds available. If we don't take any increase at all, it takes the fund down to about $13,000. We saw numbers for 1%, 2%, 3%, 1% puts the fund at 69,000 694,002% puts the fund at 126,003%. Puts the fund at about 183,000. So if you did $0.50 on the let's just say, $0.50, you're going to generate another ten grand, ten plus a month. That's 120 grand. Well on the second can on the second can because we have so many second cans, $0.50 would actually be $127,000 a year. Yes. I don't understand why you want to. I mean, I don't I don't want to build a fund for garbage. Sorry. Right. I want you to have enough cash flow to make it work so you guys can make a motion. I mean, the other option is you could take $0.50 this year to the second can and $0.50 next year, and you could build that two and a half dollars up instead of touching the the first can. That's certainly an option too. Well, the problem the problem is again is it's a three year fix and it's shallow and it's and we're going to run it dry. And you even said yourself that you need some cash at times you have things that come up on quite regularly. That's why the reserve is there. So I don't I mean it's it's a feel good for three years if we buy it down a percent for three years. But it's not. Again, if you really want to change fundamentally the system, I meant you could add $0.50 to the second can each year and build the fund by instead of building it all in the first year, you could build $125,000. So people feel like we're raising the rates every year. Yeah. I mean, just to understand that. Well, that's what I mean, though. But I mean, coming back every year anyway. Yeah, it just gives you incrementally an increase instead of all in one time. May not be here in three years. So

I'd like to just keep it hand for now. So I'd like I like to make that that motion that we go two and a half and then leave the, the first rate stagnant on the, on the existing rate. That will give relief. That means everybody that the public, everybody that has their existing one can will feel no rate rate increase. I take the second 1 to 7 something. The second one was a six about six and a half. Right immediately, seven immediately or laddered in over whenever the contract pops. No, I think you go go to $7, which is still $7, which is still less than half. And again, the bigger picture here is that that can is full in it's putting tonnage on truck. Second. I thought we had no there hasn't been a second but I'm just trying to. So what's the proposal on the first can to keep it the same. Yeah at the same rates. Don't even raise the rates. So the we're going to cover. So we covered the fund issue by second can by two and a half dollars immediately. Yes. More than covered it. You're going up over $300,000. Yeah. You're going to you're going to you're going to basically net you're going to net back by about three, three and a half. About over $600,000 is what you'll get, which is going to allow us to do some updating and stuff down the road that we are we leaving the 65 gallon? Can the same price then too as well? Or is just that what's the impact there that our senior citizens. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. What's the impact I kind of meant. Yeah, that was the how many 65 gallon totes. Other 350.

There's not that many. You're really you're even at $0.50 a month. You're just not talking about that much money. And clearly it's covered by Rick's proposal on the second can. Right. What do you think the attrition will be on the second can do you think there will be many that I'm sure there will be some people that will decide they don't want the can, but I don't. I have no idea. I mean, if you if you use the can, you're going to you're going to keep it. So if those would just be the people that haven't used it and decided, hey, I'm not using this, I'm now it's becoming more expensive, but I have no idea how many people that would be. And the reason why this makes sense is they entered into a contract where they didn't leave any room for gas allowance. So right now, you know, to me, if I would have been there to negotiate the contract, it would have been the same way we see when we're getting concrete or anything else. When gas gets to a certain place, they bang us, they charge us. Well, gas is down right now, so in theory we should have a contract with Gil, but we don't. That says that gas, that our fee should go down so that we don't have that. So this is a way for us to, I think, just status quo this and write this contract out like we're doing. And it helps the everyday consumer. It really does. It helps the everyday person that has one can. It helps the senior citizens. And it also creates some, some buffer for you to do what you need to do when when things come up versus we have no money, we got to steal from somewhere else. It's it's a user fee. It's the best way to explain it. So the not say we steal from other places. Unfortunately we cannot do that. Yeah. Make that clear. No. The other CPI index changes of 3%. Glass recycling, hauling fee, high density drop offs, recycling, high density drop off recycling site per call per eight and 20, and the other indexes automobile tires,

pickup tires, major appliances 2%. Tractor tires 3%. Those are all still proposed to go up as previously approved. So the proposal right now is the amendment to correct eliminate the 3% on the the 95 increase, the second on the 95, all 3%, as I understand, that's in lieu of the percent. You're buying it down. So there would not be an increase on 95 or 65 gallons. It would just be the additional gallon additional than that would be $2.50. Or we could agree not to do the 3% and do 1 or 2% on the first 95 gallon as well. Or you could split it and deplete the fund in three years. No, no, because you're still you're still going to get your oh, you mean you still do the two and a half? You still do the two and a half that you're proposing. Yeah. Kind of like leaving the let's let's let's throw a bone to the citizen. Let's throw the bone to the, the person that that went out of their way. I think I got like 9 or 10 emails that said, you know, don't quit raising our rates every year. And I know it's only like 60, $0.70, but clearly dollars a year. So so it's a user fee. That's how you got to look at it. This should have been done years ago. So we've got a motion on the floor. Second. Rayford I Shaner. No. Scott. No. Berenstein. No. Bertrand I that's status quo, guys at its best right there. No, because we still have to we have further discussion on where we are with the one, 2 or 3% increase as it is as opposed to you could. Yeah. Yeah, they certainly could have you could have another amendment and we can and, and we could still bundle rather than going to 250 for a dollar, a dollar, we could go to $0.50 or a dollar and just try and blend it all

in, which is I have more comfort doing that. So per dollar that you increase that can it goes up about $258,000. The fund does say that again per dollar, that you increase the can per month on the second. On the second can, it's about $258,000 a year. What I'm saying, Craig, on that 250 is that you're basically taking away the auto 3%. That was my goal is you're basically taking away that automatic 3% in a really bad contract, and the 3% generates how much additional that we never get a vote on 183,000. So if you want a dollar on the on the extra can you would cover that and then some. Yeah. Yeah. You would move that. Yeah I'll second that. Shaner I Scott I Berenstein I Bertrand I Rayford I so that means the others stay flat but that goes. Yep correct. Now on the now on the motion third reading. I'll move it. Well we already moved it. So now we got to vote on the on that Scott I berenstein a Bertrand. No. Rayford Shaner a discussion 15 A motion appointing Alex Waters to the Active Transportation Advisory Committee deferred from February 23rd, 2026. I'll move that, Mr. Mayor. Can I defer that for another week? Okay. Do we have. Yeah, we got to. Let's get a second for the discussion. First. Second. Okay. Okay. Now you can ask for a second on the deferral. Now. Now you can now you can move to defer to second the motion. Gotcha. Now now you

can move. Yeah I'll move to defer for a week. Second, second. Francine I Bertrand a Rayford I don't know Scott. I six scenes of motion reappointing Jacob to the effective Fiscal and Public policy committee deferred from February 23rd, 2026. I'll move that second. Passes. Five zero 17 a motion appointing Brett Washbourne to the Fiscal Effective Fiscal and Public Policy Committee deferred from February February 23rd, 26. I'll move that. Second. Passes 3 to 2. 18. A motion appointing Patrick McKinley to the Julian Kosovo sister city Committee committee deferred from

February 23rd 26. I'll move that second. Passes five zero 19 a motion authorizing staff to draft an ordinance legalizing the utilization of ATVs and Utvs on specified city streets. I'll move that. Second, I would like to motion that we defer that to a later date, to just give us time to meet with city staff and give it due diligence. Do you want to create a little I want to create a work group. And and so we can really dive into this. I'll second that. I'm good either way. With that, I respect either wanting to get I think if we approved the direction to legal, that's what they're going to do anyway. And I think if part of the direction was to draft an ordinance but put together a working group, I think they would do that. But I'm either way, I'm comfortable. I think we should probably delete it. I'd like to do the work first. You should delete. If you don't have a specific date, I think you could do it. Either way, I move to delete it. That's fine. Okay. Hold up. Sorry. Are you going to withdraw your motion to withdraw it? Okay, now we can take a new motion. I move to delete until. Decided that. So are they in the process right now of drawing up an ordinance? Copy that. That's going to be. That's what would come after. Okay. The that would have been the direction only direction I would give just kind of preliminary is, is the UTV is I don't know where the ATV kind of snuck in there. We're really mostly talking about Utvs. It seems like I don't know if anybody's going to get on board with the ATV side of it, but the UTV is very intriguing and eventually deserves a vote, no doubt about it. But absolutely. But yeah, and we're we're on the same

page there. But I just think that I keep reading this ATV ATV thing and I don't I don't know if you're going to get a lot of communities aren't supporting the ATV side of it, but the UTV side of it might be where we focus our our efforts. Recommend on that. Caleb is here. If you want to hear from representative of Legal Caleb. Caleb Kristofferson, Assistant City Attorney. Happy to answer your question. My hope too is that that we all come together and give it due diligence so that we can talk about and as you said, you know, separate these two. Make sure that we we're not, you know, making decisions that we should definitely, practically as well as legally. They are different types of devices under Iowa code chapter 321 I they are treated the same as far as functionally. And then, you know, as far as registration and operation, things of that nature. So they are subject to the same regulations, but we're not constrained to keep it that way. How do they DMV separate the two? Say again, how does DMV or whomever separate the two? Neither are subject to registration after 321. Yeah, right. So these are those questions that my my question is that you're doing your research there. Just could you point out the bigger thing I want to see is what specifically other communities like Council Bluffs and everything else. What what are they doing? So not now, but just when the time comes. That's really is what we need to, because the idea that there's nobody is doing is not correct. They're doing it all over the state and even in communities our size. So just I just if we're going to do this, let's just not reinvent the wheel. I think it's going to happen, but just a matter of of what it looks like. And let's, let's find a really good community that's doing it right. And let's get on the horn, talk to some, talk to some sheriffs and some other people that are in those communities and see what they're what they like and don'tik le about it. What's your sense of who you'd like to be on the task force or the oversight committee? Well, I

think I'de blooking at legal, you know, law enforcement, police department, sheriff's department, as well as even some citizennp iut. I think we just need to get some citizen input. I'm note sur we want to do as it approves. South Sioux does. Yeah. Got some. Yeah. Registered t tohis is positive or ATV people p ATVeople here I think this is positive. This is reallyit posive. We just want to do it right. Yeahav I he a list of every city in the state. Now you m gota'am, you got you got toe comto the microphone. It's like you should be on a committee. Ia have list of every city in the state that authorizesnd it, a unfortunately it didn't print.Th ey called all these cities. And there's a lot and there's a lot of people that I have talked tof mysel about how they regulate it and the laws, pretty much all of A them.re you seeing a differentiation between ATVs and Utvs as well? I am not for ATVs on the streety Ok, ma'am, could you state your name for the record, please? Penny Tobinha okay. Tnk you.s This i the Iowa State one, and I think they have covered every,os every psible. You got to have insurance. You got to have seatbelts. t You goto have turn signals. They've covered it all. u No onender 18. Pedometer. You have to have a roll cage. You have to wear a helmet.op Right? Ne. No helmet because you are completelyos encled in most of these. If you're notrs hard doo, they have door nets and they have safety belts. So if you want I g canive you guys these. Are you allowed to scream? Likewh wo en you drive or not? Gotta have a horn.p. Beep bee Just wondering if you're allowed so. And I think there are far safer than sure.ro Go ahead. Pbably. Yep. Give those to Steven.Ei Ye. ther way, I'll take it. Thanks. We have one.ta So I

lked to a lot of different people. I personally don't thinkd ATVs shoul be on the street because there is nothing to. protect you Maybe helmets on ATVs,ti but it's sll if you get hit on an ATV, you're coming off. There's no seatbelt, there's no restraints,no there's thing. That's the motorcycle. Riders are the onesal who've ready said, well, what about motorcycles? I'm a motorcyclerider. I wear a helmI know it's dangerous out there, but you got to be vigilant,ut right? B people in golf carts,a there's lot of stuff going on. Electric bicycles, they're okay if they got pedals. But once you take the pedals off, that's a different story. Yeah, itou i, but, y know, there's there's a lot of different stuff outhi there. I tnk Utvs are far safer than anything mentioned,u because yo do have a roll cage, windshield, back window. Most of them have doors. Nowadays. Doorser stereo a cheap than some of those00. I know $52,0 for one is way beyond mypaycheck to. So wg that we're going to put together a tasker force or ovsight group. Are you thinking, 30 days, 60 days 90 days? I was going to say 90 days just to be safe and then, you know, yeah. What month? So that gets us March, April,st Ma, June 1.o It's got to go t it's got to get written and it's got to go to June 1st, 30 days. Should we say, whywh don't we give y don't we say 60 days. That's the difference.y. Yeah. Yeah oka That'll be good for Memorial Weekend. There you go.Th There you go. at's our goal. All right. Thank you. Thanks foran your ti. Thks for the information as well. Anyone else to be S heard? Okay.o the motion r on the flooright now is to defer. Second that's already got. Oh,I thought we wo delete to. delete. Delete. Sorry

Yeah. Bring it back. Rayford I Shaner I Scottrt Berenstein a Berand a citizen concerns. Are there any citizens who would like to be heardou on anything? Y got to come to the microphone and state yournd name, please. Ado if you get it ne sooner. My name is Alan Mcgaffin. I want to make'l two points here. Il change theoi direction I was gng to go and and stand opposed. to ATVs and Utvs Rex Mueller is opposeds to those vehicle as well. I think our roadwayssp are built for tranortation rather thanI recreation. Now, know a lot of motorcycles out there tend to take the roads for recreation, and that's why I find a dangerous vehicle. Andthey add. normal transportatio So I hope the task force considers thoseay vehicles in a serious wo And if they don't,r if they do, I thinkme we could look at so fees, perhaps for the privileges of taking those on the roadways.t I'd like to talk abouthe library. I do think there are someti limitations on permitng and the fee structure. The state governs the mannerpe in which they can e rmitted. So we're we're somewhatia restricted. But apprecte your comments. I think theri state realizes the seousness of the vehicles. And they they say only certain roadways for these andre correct in the city the's there's an unlimited number of roadways. In fact, now I want to move to the library budget and you spend a lot of time, I think, on Saturday talking about the librarywi budget, I was concernd

th the the remarks in the paper yesterday. Councilwoman Schoener andh Councilman Bertrand, bot are talking about a very big and a sharp ax to the s budget. I'd like it to beomething less than 25%. And Councilmang Bernstein suggested lookin at the library, board for some suggestionsand I hope that they can come upve wih some some alternatis to what's been talked about so fari I'd like you all to walknto the Wilbur Ralphr sometime and see the numbe of people in there.ke Yes, the Wilbur Ralph's tas a big footprint in downtown Sioux City. So does the. So does the courthouse. i And I think if you walkednto Wilbur Ralph's, you'dn probably see more people i there at any given time than you would see. In theen courthouse. And there's childr and there'she children well-behaved under t supervision of librarians parents. There's community members that are well b behaved. Some of them mighte dozing at the table, someng of them might just be killi time. Some of them might beer meditating. It s a very, vy busy place. And and the same can be said for the Morningsidewo branch. I cant imagine those t buildings being abandoned and moved from. Thereib are so many uses for those lraries, especially the main library, where a repository ofum records, some of the same argents that went into the statery argument about the state Libra this c this winter could apply to ourity library. We just we just can't give it up. The library book sale every yearme raises a lot f money, raises so money for the library. I don't know if it's significant or not. Perhaps the library could

consider raising their fees forg two week i stretch that they mae sales, butt's a very well attended, very well supported by the community activity. There's got to bend some ways to raise some fees, I uerstand, butla I don't know if they could ever repce a 25% or a $1 million fee, which has been talked about. So.nc Let's give the library board a chae and let's let's thinkis it over and carefully. I just prae our libraries as an old English teacher.on Don't cut my legs out from under me. D't don't cut theon readers, sir. That's not our intenti. And we have hadth and we did have two meetings wi them in the fall of 2025. Yes. The board and staff, along with Helen, herep entire team ad the board on two sarate occasions. So this isn't a surprise that we wanted them to reimagine a news model if if budgets were as tight a they are and we're finding them even tighter, yeah, wef afforded them the opportunity to say i there were significant budget cuts, what would that look like? What could youre envision? The libra. You're in the tnches, right? What could it look like? And we were met with no interest, no suggestions, no model. So that's what brought us tous now. And I was a part of those discsions. So I know that c to be fact, there were no threats oflosing the downtown library. There were no threats of cutting any kind of programing, no salaries, no layoffs, nothing. There was a proposal brought to them that said if there were cuts to be made, what would another model look like if we were to reduce the footprint of the main branch?Yet

maybe 10% of the programing goes to each of the new smallere branches. The Morningside branch operas out of $450,000 a year. That's their budget of the entire budget. So what we were proposing is people love the Morningside branch. Weh would never take the Morningside branc away. There's Morningside. Excuse me. Does the Morningside branch gett community room that's attached to the library? I don't know, I just know that, per our finance director, their operating budget consumes $450,000 a year. Of the overall 3.9 million that the library needs to operate. It's a busyno community. It is. That's wonderful. So you kw b what? Nobody would want the Morningsideranch to reduce. We like it that way. And could we make two other Morningsider branches and then maybe a tiny bit large downtownav footprint? I don't know, but we were leing that to Helen and the board to say this is what it would look like, or to say it t can't. Here's our here's our what we triedo work out, but we got zero response out of three communications with them. So I'm just saying thise did not come out of the blue where there ar no threats of cutting, closing, nothing. I just want that to be clear. I was involved in that, and I know for a fact I appreciate you being here. I, I don't want the. No, but we're talking nearly $4 million, of which almost all of that is funded from taxpayers. It comes out of the general fund, which is property taxes. And that's what our o constituents want us to do, is to be mindfulf that levy. And those property taxes we cut works, a projectth that people want to get rid of potholes and

ey want overlays. We have a new mill and overlay program e that started was approved last year. We haven'tven laid down the blacktop for the first year of that program. And that program was already cut for over $2 million. So p it's not just the library, it's everybody. Whatercentage of the staff, what what percentage of the total budget does the staff? Well, we can't gour by total budget because part of our budget, o enterprise funds, the water ratepayers take care of that fund. The sewer ratepayers take care of that fund. Sos, you see this big 200 and some odd million dollar we collect around 65 million. Is ithe 367 million through property taxes. So that's wre your percentage would come from that fund, not the overall fund.il So can anybody do the math quick. Where does 4 mlion. It's 5% of the collected budget that our general fund property taxes, the property taxes. And again remember to Julie did a great job there. Yeah. You remember that the the reporting on this sometimes is funny because it's stirs people up. It gets people. excited. Oh my gosh. They're going to close libraries They're going to no. t You got o remember that the only there's a reason whyhere's a a bill in Des Moines being talked about with librariesnd controlnt of libraries with the boards, is because the only corol thats any city council has, and as I'm walking into thi is we don't have any control over i content or operations or anything. All we can dos give them a block of money. It's up to them. And so whenem we walk n there and we talk about modernizing the syst, maybett making pocket libraries where more people can actually aend them, put themth around amenitis where people feel safer, those type of ings, and havingki a smaller hub again, being more efficient, just just nd of modernizing the library system. Then the board says no. And I think I heard the word impossible 17 times. It's impossible. It's impossible. Well, the onlyid control we have

then to get their attention because they dn't they, they they cold shouldered the thehr request last fall from the old council. So you have to towsp stuff out there and say, well, if you're not going to reondn to us, then you know what? Then maybe we'll cut $1 millio your budget and we're going to force you to come up withre a new mod. That's the conversation. That's not the we' we're closingl libraries and this and that. It's we're now our only contro isfi the dollars to, hey, change behavior. And the behavior is gure out a new model that serves more people and modernizes the library system. So that's what needs to be reported. Soss thank you for bringing this discussion. It's a great discuion. It's wonderful. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thanks, Alan. Thank you. Nice to see you. Mayor and council, Alex Waters. Mike, I just wanted to thank you. I reached out to Mike last week asking for a deferral on the appointment, and I appreciated that very much. Being home with family. And I just wanted to I know we had some appointments today and mine was deferred. I didn't know if we were doing a work group or a study session on my appointment to an active transportation committee, but it was proposed and seconded. And then four out of one of you supported a deferral. So I can come back next week if that apparently is more convenient for all of you, or is there a reason that is there a work group being discussed about my appointment to this committee or. So? Just come back. There was a request to defer it, so I assume there was a need to do so. So I was supportive of that. Not an indication one way or the other on my part. Just willing. I just know usually there's discussion or at least an explanation for a deferral.

So I didn't. But you guys defer things a lot more than I ever have seen. So I guess I'll just see you next week. Sorry for your loss too. Yeah, we're sorry for your loss, Alex. Hello. James Barrett, 1924 West fifth Street. I came to ask for your help today at 2000 West fifth Street, East side parking. There's a tree that continues to drop limbs for three years now. Last year at tax time, I asked Bob personally if he could use his influence to help me because I'm getting nowhere with the city and I would like some help on that. That's number one. Number two, can I ask? I don't want to interrupt, but. So 2000 West fifth Street is that public property? Private property. It's on the easement. On an easement. Correct. The east side of the house. And it has been dropping pretty good size limbs for years now. And I can't seem to get anyone to help me. It's not that big a deal. We're talking a couple hours. Prince at the tree place just been an unbelievably difficult along with his secretary. Terrible to deal with, honestly. So that's that. And the second issue I have is garbage cans. We have we have new this rental property and the house across the street moved in. Approximately three months ago for garbage cans have been sitting out in the street banging those lids for three months straight. So how I actually got it resolved was I called the police department, I believe. Excuse me, Saturday and had to do a noise complaint to get it taken care of. These are four cans banging the lids

go down that alley. I pick up that alley behind my house. I'm okay to do it, but they won't. They're not doing anything. I went to the city. They come out. It lasted for two days a day. The the owner of the property came and moved the can back. Then they put him out. They're all out there. All of the all of the lids are open and it's a landfill back there. It isn't right now because I just got done picking it up, but I would like some help with that. What's the address of that one is 1922 West fifth Street. If you go into alley, it looks like a war torn. It looks like a third world country. It's like I said, it's not too bad because I just got done picking it up. But if you could help me with those, I'll try not to bother you again. Mike, can you follow up on both of those? Yep, I got that. Michael. Follow up on those. Thank you, thank you. Thanks for your time. Thank you. Anyone else? Okay. Homeless task force operation. Regular police department. I know that there's questionsto about our meeting with the judges. I don't know if Captain Groves is going join me. I thought I'd give this quick statistics of the past three weeks. Normally, we give you two weeks since we deferred this week's or last week's presentation. I'll gloss over the details. And then Jill has a presentation. As we spoke about in budget. Obviously the police department isn't the only participant from the city side and the task force. Just activities of the past three weeks in the collection period is February 2nd through February 22nd. Encampments located 14 clean up operations conducted, five new individuals, contacted 20 and then partnerships and coordination.

Obviously we send these to you and the council updates, so you should have those every week. I feel like we have a new organization that the task force is engaging with to become more effective, and those are by and large private partnerships. So those are expanding. I would just check your list. Hey, chief. Yes, on the on the 14th encamp 14 active now encampments. You're saying? Encampments located? Yes. Located. So what's the what's the time range between identifying it and throwing the big tire with the sign out? That depends on it. Depends on how. So we we expect the and the officers are kind of the subject matter experts on that. If it's established it's it kind of dictates how the city must proceed as far as somebody's property rights. And then it posted, it could be one where it's fairly unestablished in. The individual could be asked to move along and they take their belongings and it's done. So I don't get a breakdown of that. But a lot of that is based on the condition of the encampment and established one we definitely need to post. Who puts the big tire in the sign on it? Public works. Public works does so when we some the process as it gets warmer here and Councilman Bernstein's driving down and he sees encampment and who does he call to alert. Well, it seems as though we get the first and then we make the referrals. So a lot of times depends on who you go to. But usually the first call is to the police department and then where should it go or should it go? Where do you want it to go? Well, to be quite honest, with the task force operating, they're hitting them quicker than we ever did before. So rather than waiting for it to go from here to there to there to get action, we're doing the cleanups a lot faster with the operations of the task force, and they have identified common areas where these are evolving and they're hitting those as part of their regular duties. So these 14 that are identified, they're all tagged. Not always.

Like I said, it depends on the condition. Was it just established? Is it small. Is it of a large nature. We expect them to utilize appropriate judgment in dealing with that, because we can't just throw away somebody's personal property. I mean, based upon when that tire with the tag on it hits the site. 24 hours. 24 hours. Yes. So you see where I'm going with this speed, which is you see it, what's who do we call? And we got a pickup truck with these tires and these announcements on it. Let's get let's get the site served. Because I think the quicker we, you know, defuze I mean, we're doing great. Don't get me wrong. I think that's it's about speed. Yeah. That's why I asked if all 14 are tagged. I've seen them. Let's. And it also depends if that encampments on public or private property where we have one of those as you know this last week and it worked fine. It was cleaned. The people you know were removed. And then the property owner just texted me to find some more information, and they were more than willing to get rid of the stuff, but they just want to make sure legally, can we throw this stuff away? Yeah, they that's it. That is the private property piece is a huge barrier because you're then we then involve inspections and it becomes a more lengthy process. And especially if they choose not to or don't clean it up. But it seems like a phone call from you guys if it's identified on private property, it seems like a phone call from the PD seems to kind of motivate the owner, and at times it has been. Yeah, that's so far. My experience so far has been two for two property owners. You guys call the private and they kind of go yeah, we'll get it off. I mean it's you know it's been pretty good. So not everybody is responsive. But we're doing our best. But again if it's if it's public property that's fairly easily rectified. But again, I think just the presence of the task force and credit to Captain Groves and the officers and staff who are dealing with that, I think we're getting to things, identifying things much, much quicker than we were before. So and I'll let Captain Groves comment about the meeting with the judges. I

think it's a very positive meeting. So you want to. Chris Groves from Uniform Services, captain, touch base on that a little bit. As the chief mentioned, the process is going to be faster because of the homeless task force. In the past. We would get the call, then we would call public works, and then it's based on their schedule. Go out and serve that. Having those people or having those divisions work together every day. Do you have a single point of contact at public works? Who do you call? Well, right. And right now we're just dealing through the I just lost his name. Dan. Dan Dan Hutton is not Hutton. Dan Harstad is the one assigned to that task force. So they're going out and finding them. And if they need to tag them, that's what they're tagging. But as long as we keep somebody from public works, whether it's parks or streets, as long as we keep somebody in that task force, that's our go to. Okay. I'm just saying it'd be nice to have one identified person. I'm sure you're saying you do, right? Yeah. Right now we do. It's all fallen on that task force. We'll get it out and we'll get them served. The judge's meeting was very positive. What we've learned most about this homeless task force is there's things happening that we don't know about. There's things that are happening that go on, that we make assumptions and we make statements that may not necessarily be 100% accurate. You know, a lot of the conversations that have happened in this room and what we learned was the judges listen to these meetings or at least gotten back to them. And it's if they are listening, we need to make sure we understand. There's been a lot of discussion about taking people to jail and getting out within two hours. And I think that was a frustration for the judges. And we lose emphasis on that. That's a lot of dealing with the trespass. The trespass really has very little teeth. Just the way that the law is written, that it's a it's a

civil it's a fine as all we can do. They talked about we did talk about loitering, trespass. Do not go to jail. You can take them to jail, but they can't hold them in jail if they have some public intox or something. Right. If there's another criminal offense attached to it or if they have a warrant out or correct. But it's a big inconvenience when they got to go down there and get processed. That's what I like. That's what I like about it too. It's it's it's sorry. It's an inconvenience for your your your. Yeah. So but I think a lot of the conversation we were talking about was we felt like if we're dealing with these people, these habitual offenders, if you will, that getting in and out of jail is, is not deterring that. We're just continually dealing with those folks. And that came up in the meeting and we had to backpedal a little bit. We're kind of mixing things together. And you're right, you're bringing if it's public intox if it's interference with official acts, if it's a warrant, they can hold those people in jail. Let the judges know if you're listening, that we apologize for that. But that's perception and perception and and that's the input of information that we get. Yes, I saw them, you know, they're out two hours later. Yeah. And I think a lot of what we hear about is the trespass. I mean we deal a lot of trespass. Just people being in places they're not supposed to be. And that is a revolving door. And there's really not a lot we can do about that. It's just factual. But the judges were very receptive of these, again, habitual offenders that we're constantly dealing with. If they are in taxed interference over and over and over again that we've we're working on ways to make our affidavits better. The county attorney's office will work with us, go in front of the judge. And I mean, they're not by no means. They're not saying we're going to do 30 days and they're going to be gone, but they are willing to do. Kevin, that was one of the things when I spoke with the judge's number one, they liked you guys coming in and they are listening, and

they do want to be part of the solution. The one of the things they said when they asked us to share, and it was very it was a great conversation, was when the guys are doing writing them up, the specifics are the key and I know they gave you that. Feedback is the more details they get, the more they can get sticky. And that was one thing they shared with me. And then the other one they asked about was homeless court. Jail. Is that you? Yes, that is me. Because he wanted they wanted some answers on that. So I'm sure they're listening today. Could you give us a little explanation of what? I've never heard of it and I don't think they did either. Okay, so we're kind of in the beginning stages still. So Homeless Court is an initiative that we are the pilot project for the state of Iowa here. The state of Iowa wanted to give it a try. So the Iowa Finance Authority provided $25,000 to the city of Sioux City to do this pilot project here. So we have, in turn partnered with the American Bar Association. They're a consultant on it. And basically long, long, long story short, it's similar to Project Compass. If there's people that have charges, fines related to for crimes that are typically related to homelessness, like maybe they have a bunch of trespass fines, they have public intox, they have things like that. We decide locally what we want to focus on. They can select a case manager of their choosing from any of our agencies that they're working with. They go through a whole process similar to Project Compass, and then at the end, if they graduate from the program, they get those fines and other things released. So it's a way to to remove those barriers to housing. So we're the first in Iowa to try it. We're going to see how it goes. One of the things that we also do with that is same day service fair. So we had our first one about a month ago. We have another one coming up actually on Saint Patrick's Day. And so that's where you have a lot of agencies coming together. The Dot will be there really just doing same day things. What can we do to remove these barriers, like having the Iowa Dot issue actual IDs on site? We're trying to get the county there to do birth certificates as well, things that we just can get people moving faster into housing is what we are

trying to do with that program. I'm glad I heard you say County. We really have got to marry the city and the county in these processes together. We really do. So I'm glad to hear that they're going to be on board with that. So everything we talked with the judges have been shared with our staff. And you're right, the affidavits we talked about the affidavits is a little more details. I made it very clear to our staff, though. It's not every public intox not if you're arrested in some 25 year old on fourth Street. We don't need to have them in jail for 30 days. That's not the point. We got to deal just with our habitual and make sure affidavits are a little bit more detailed. So that's all been shared. Keep working. Good job, Captain Groves. We do appreciate it. Before you go. Yes, I would like to thank you on behalf of this council for pushing this task force. I think you dreamed it up. Was it your idea? Yes. Was it really my idea? I brought it here from somewhere else. Your idea? Don't be too humble. I would like to acknowledge that. And to say thank you so much for taking the lead on this. I don't know how long you're going to hold these reins. It might be longer than you ever dreamed, but we'll see. Or it could be shorter than we ever dreamed. Could be. We don't know. We don't know. We'll see how it goes. I know you're still gathering data, and I think you're doing a great job. And I just want to thank you and commend you for that. So and I think it's public and I say this and I am retiring at the end of the month. So what we heard. That's right. I didn't want to say that. So Captain Bertrand will be will be my replacement. And I'm trying to get him caught up in speed. He's kind of taking over some of the stuff, but. Yeah, but thank you. Thanks for everything that you've done. Thank you. Been a pleasure to work with. Thank you. Okay. I'm just going to provide a little bit. We're going to kind of do a different twist, I guess, to

what we've been discussing the rest of the weeks. When we do or when chief does a, an update. So what I'm going to do is go over kind of how the city fits into everything that's happening with homelessness in our community and a ton of stats. We are the keepers of what's called the coordinated Entry list. So we have a plethora of information on everyone that we're doing intakes on that's experiencing homelessness. So there's a lot of interesting information that I just want to go over really quickly. I will go fast, so please interrupt me if you have any questions. As we go, whenever I, I get asked or our staff gets asked to speak a lot about homelessness at the community, I always like to remind everyone in the beginning that we do other things besides homeless services. We have five areas we primarily work in from housing, rehab, public services, public improvements, and affordable housing or other areas. This is our current organizational chart. There are ten of us working in a multitude of different areas, and we have a couple nonprofits under our umbrella. To what's unique about us is we are about 99.9% federal and state funded. The only local dollars we have is for the bus ticket relocation program, and a little bit of local dollars for our audit for our one nonprofit, our housing trust fund. Everything else comes from a mix of competitive and entitlement grants. So our our budget can fluctuate quite a bit. Last year was over 7 million for this current fiscal year, so trying to get as much money into the city as possible for what our needs are. And I do want to say that because your department does such a great job, your moneys have been recognized funding, and some of them have gone up because of that. You don't leave the money sitting around, you put it to action. Yeah. The state will usually contact us if they have extra funding because we can spend it. So we have a lot of need here. So you might hear a lot about the CoC or the Continuum of Care or Siouxland Coalition and homelessness. That is all the same thing the federal

government requires. If you're going to use federal dollars to help anyone that's experiencing homelessness, you have to have what's called a continuum of care, which is a big group of agencies, providers that come together to discuss needs related to homelessness. They also work on all the grant applications together as a team to get that money into Sioux City. So for the city of Sioux City, we get three grants out of the continuum of care. It is the planning grant. We're the lead agency of the continuum of care, so that pays for some of our staff time. We have our coordinated entry, which I'll talk about a lot, but that is where we're actually interviewing all of these people that are coming into our office to see what their needs are, and then scoring them, do all sorts of things. And then our homeless management information system, that's actually the software that we're required to use that tracks all of the people that we're talking to. And then safe place and rapid safe place and heartland counseling. They both also get grants for permanent supportive housing and rapid rehousing. So all told, there's over 50 agencies and organizations that meet every other month to go through funding to go through needs issues out in the community. So it's a it's been a pretty good group. So how do we fit into this? Like I said, we are the lead agency. So Clara on our staff, she actually serves as a secretary. It's a separate board. Separate 500 1C3. And then our main part of kind of what we do when it relates to homelessness is coordinated entry. And so we are the ones doing all of the intakes. We're the ones managing that list. We're very unique in the state of Iowa, and that everyone else in the state uses a third party consultant to do the list. We do it here locally because we get faster, real time information. We're able to make changes faster, and we're just more in the know about what's going on out there in real time,

which can make a real difference when you're handling it and not someone who's not. Yep. The trenches. The main thing to remember too, is a lot of times people you might hear people say, I've been on this list forever, blah blah, blah. When you do an intake and you're asking a million questions, everything from, you know, your medical history, if you're a sex offender, if you're a vet, if you work just a million things and then you're assigned a score based on basically how much assistance you do need, and so it's ranked from the top to the bottom. So if you're at the very bottom with the amount of people that we have on the list at any given time, you're probably not going to get a referral. One thing to to always keep in mind is everyone on that list is literally homeless. They have to be at a shelter. They have to be staying outside in a car, a camper, an abandoned building, that kind of thing, or fleeing domestic violence and not having a support system. We have a lot of people that call us or stop by our office that'll say, oh, I'm staying, I'm couch surfing, or I'm staying in a hotel, but I'm running out of money. HUD and the federal government says we cannot assist that at all. We're only focusing on those people that are reporting that they are literally homeless. When they do say things like that, though, where they just need some assistance. We try not to, you know, just send them on their way. We do try to also refer them to other, other services for a time frame that a person has to be homeless, or if they just say, nope, just the night before. Good question. Yeah. So that's why we have significantly more people in need of housing assistance than program openings. So this is kind of an eye opening thing for most, because I think a lot of people think, which is true, we have a lot of great services in Sioux City, but if you're looking for literal housing programs or you're going to be put in a place or referred to a place to live, we don't have a whole lot. We have 33 units through permanent supportive housing. Safe place has 22 units, and that's tied to

domestic violence. And then five other a great partner. That's Family Alliance for Veterans of America. There are a number of units varies based on need but typically five or under. So every time they meet which is every two weeks, those agencies are taking referrals for what they have openings for. And we just honestly don't have a lot. So when people are waiting on the list where our staff's providing birth certificates, Social Security cards, state tribal IDs, we're referring to services. We help with section eight or section eight applications and security deposit assistance to. So I'm going to transfer kind of to our stats. And Clara in our office has done a phenomenal job. She is our miss administrator. So she wears lots of hats. But that's one really important thing, many important things that she does, but where she's kind of the keeper of all these stats and numbers. So we did calendar year just to make it easier. So out over the calendar year 25, we had 1054 individuals on that list at any given time within 755 households, 103 of those, 755 households had one child under the age of 18. Our staff in calendar year 25 did 565 intakes, which is a lot that can range depending on their background. It can take anywhere from half hour to an hour, where you're asking very personal questions. 246 of the people over that thousand, we're going to go back to that thousand identified as being chronically homeless. That means that they have a disability and they've been homeless for at least 12 months or more, or that over the last three years, they've had four or more instances of homelessness that total that 12 months, 26 self-reported. And I like to say self-reported, too, because I like to remind everyone this is what they're telling us. So we're taking what they're saying and entering into the system. We're

not third party checking it. 655 people self-reported having a disability, 26 reported as requiring a register as a sex offender, 27 people self-reported as veterans. It's been a very interesting learning process for me, too, because I didn't realize depending on their discharge status, what they're eligible for. So someone might say to you, hey, I'm a veteran. I'm having a hard time getting services. It might be because of what their discharge status was. So it could be a dishonorable discharge, something like that. Yeah. We've had some that have come in for sure. Just some other interesting stats to share. An average client age. Again, this is over that thousand people. Our highest category is between 35 and 44. We've seen over the last few years that these stats have started to range up, both here and nationally. Gender. We also hear a lot about, oh, there's more male than female that are homeless. We're not seeing that locally. It's about 5050. I mean, there's not a a significant difference between the two. Client race and ethnicity. This is always an interesting topic of conversation too, because of the way that it relates to our community as a whole. So you can see the largest 404 people self-reported as white. And this is the breakdown of percentage. So if you look at our community as a whole, 66% of our community is white. And on our list, it's about 38%. So it's underrepresented Native American, about 2% of our population as a whole is Native American, and 21% identified as Native American. Hispanic, Latino. Latina has also underreported about 22% of our population identifies as Hispanic and Latino Latina, and about 7% of our list is is self-reporting that. Sorry, this is so small, but it gives you some idea of what people

are reporting to for physical and mental health conditions and how many conditions they have. So 404 people, again, of that thousand are reporting they have a mental health disorder. And then you'll see 282 reported chronic health condition. Those are the two. And then physical disability is right in there too. And then a number of how many conditions there have at the start. So you see several people have several comorbidities. Income. We also ask about income. So 34% of the again that thousand people about had had income of some kind. The largest is Social security and Social Security disability followed by earned income. That just means that they have a job and they're earning income that way. And then the rest are kind of smaller, smaller amounts there. Have you found any cases where you can help a person get Social Security or. Yes. So what we started to do years ago is there's a program called Soar. And if there's ever anyone that wants to donate any money to this, this would be a great thing for our community. You can get saw certified, meaning you can help people that can be on Social Security disability work through that program way faster. So if you have that certification it takes, you know, you might hear people say, I'm trying to get on disability for a year or two. It can be as short as 3 to 6 months. And so Clara and our office was actually trained in certified. But it's so takes such a significant amount of time. You really need like a full, probably multiple full time staff people in our community to be honest, to make a difference. But that would be a great thing in our community, and it would fill a gap because there's several people that we talk to every day that as a volunteer that really should be on disability, volunteer or a paid position in some organization. But definitely a need here. And then this is

what people self-report to us. Again, self-reporting of where their last permanent residence was. So if you look at the map and the responses, it's not totally surprising because a lot of our subsidized rental units are in these areas. And if that was there, maybe they were on the bubble. They were having a hard time staying housed. They probably are going to report that that was their last permanent residence. That didn't really surprise us. So majority downtown, West Side, Midtown, and then we have a few from outside the city, South Sioux City, Sergeant Bluff, Lamar's Macy, Winnebago. So at the end of all this, what what's happened last year? And it kind of it definitely underscores what we have for resources here when it comes to actual housing. So we had 70 referrals. So keep in mind there were a thousand people on that list at some point throughout the year. So 70 referrals were made, 18 were successful. So 18 out of that thousand people that we talked to were housed, 31 were rejected by the client. Either they refused whatever service was offered or they didn't contact them, and 18 were rejected by the provider. They didn't meet some type of requirement, 648 were exited for no contact after 60 days. We try to keep our list very accurate and clean, so if we don't here, we tell people to check in with us every week. Oh yeah, so what happens when you have your 31 rejected and 18 what happens then? We send them more and more and more referrals until they fill their their spots. So since there were only 18, that means there were 18 openings in those programs I mentioned earlier. And so that's why 18 were full. But yeah, if someone doesn't respond, we're sending them. Claire is sending them new people all the time. And so we tell people to check in with us every week. We want to know what they're up to. If they found housing, if they found employment, if their phone

numbers changed, we want to have that contact. And then 86 people self resolve meaning they maybe they started staying with a with a family member or they got housing on their own. So as of today and our list is ever changing, we updated every day. We have 265 people on the list and 217 households. I just threw this in there because I know there's a lot, always some curiosity about how that works, but they have to be literally homeless. They have to be have support where they are going. We say it has to be at least three hours away and it's one time assistance, one time or one way transportation. So last calendar year, about 25,000 was spent relocating 135 people. So far this calendar year, we've spent about 5800 bucks on the relocation of 32 people. And are those general fund dollars? Those aren't grant dollars, correct? Right. General fund? Yeah. We don't have a grant that covers that, that has that as an eligible expense. So kind of my final slide here is what do we what do we do with all this information. So like I've said before, we just don't have we have wonderful resources here as far as services and things like that. But when it comes to literally housing people, we just don't have a lot of units here. And so what we've really focused on here in the last six months or so is increased focus on getting resources together. For those that are on the list, especially lower on the list, those are often people that might have a little income. They just might need a lot of assistance filling out a section eight application, for example, or things like that. So they'll come into our office. Our staff will help with that. Again, offering the bussing. We also will apply for funds wherever we can get them for projects. So recent successes was Midtown Terrace. We partnered on Asher and East High Lofts. Those are both lihtc projects that we put money in as well as the city. We got a new funding source from IFA for rapid rehousing, so that will start shortly. And then we're hoping for some successes coming up, which

would be the Webb Apartments Council just approved that letter of understanding. So they're applying for light tech again. That's the former Lamb Theater over in Cook Park. That would be several affordable units. And then the former Jewish Community Center. We are doing some conceptual work right then, and we'll be going after some grant funds for that project too. Can you back up and over what that means with the Midtown Terrace, the Asher Apartments, what it means so many apartments that they dedicate. Yep. So Midtown Terrace, that was a project that the mayor actually resurrected a couple years ago. So and we received National Housing Trust Fund dollars and that will be 24 units total, 17 will be permanent supportive housing, and then seven will be your typical affordable housing units. And then Asher and East High Lofts. Asher is the new building that was built over on the Everett School site, and then East High Lofts was the old East Junior that was rehabbed. Asher has three units and East High has five. So the city put money into that and some of our grant funds into both of those projects, but said, hey, you need to set aside some of these units for those that are transitioning from homelessness. So that's been really good. And they've both partnered with Heartland Counseling to provide case management for those those people that just are getting out of homelessness get continuum care so that we're helping them to be successful. They're getting out of transitional. Yep. And then rapid rehousing. That was ESG funding we just got from the state. We haven't gotten money from the state to do this before. So that was really exciting. And that will provide case management from our staff and up to six months of rental assistance to get them stabilized before we kind of step away, and then they pay their rent going forward. Webb Apartments is a little different. That's just a typical we don't have any units that we're setting aside for homelessness, but they all are 152 units, all affordable. And then the Jewish Community

Center, we are looking at a mix again of permanent supportive housing there. And your typical affordable units. Also, we've been very active with the Homeless Task Force. Of course, we have one staff person that's dedicated to street outreach most of their time. So they do that with the task force and then also on their own. And then also the homeless court model, like I talked about before, is something new. We're trying we're always looking for for new ideas and and different approaches to try. So in a nutshell, I know I provided a ton of information, but I just thought it was good to kind of go over what happened the last year and what does all that mean. And then if you have more questions, I can definitely do more research on on what we have going on. I do do you feel that agape, once they're built up and running, it's going to have a significant impact to us as well. I do, I think I think that's a great thing. Yeah. I have no place to go. They'll be able to go to agape, get in that program, stay out of jail, stay off the streets. And it's up to 1800 months, 18 months. Is that. Yeah. If you see here between, you know, drugs and alcohol, that's a significant percentage of the people that we're talking to. So. So yeah. Absolutely. And that's men's housing strictly starting with men's. And then they'll grow to women's. One question one question only on the bus program that we just put a little more hopefully resources for you. How do they find out about it. Do we have a sign like posted down at the transit center that says, you know, homeless? Not from here. We can help free ticket. I mean, is there anything where are we posting like this? I mean, something that's going to help point you in the right direction. Yeah, you got to stumble upon them. Well, so we

get referrals from agencies all the time, including the warming shelter. And then also the person that works at the Greyhound office walks people down to us quite frequently. So it's typically he's seeing someone, they're bringing him down or the warming shelter or what other agency has been talking to someone saying, oh, you're not from here and you want to go home, okay. Would you consider posting something like that in different places or something? I mean, if we can put up a sign that says donate, don't, you know, don't give to the poor? I mean, yeah, I mean, there's key areas we know that this is happening. I mean, I think it's, you know, free ticket home homeless. Not from here, you know, free ride. You know, just here's how to reach out. It starts the dialog. And then maybe, maybe they stay in and get some get to get the services they need. Sometimes I wonder, how do they I think some of these people, if they're cold and they get they're stuck here and they don't know if they knew this was available. Call Jill. She's friendly. You know, I mean, so I mean, you know what? I you know what I mean? Yeah, I think we just need to advertise it, but we kind ofee nd to advertise it first. I think the only reason we haven'ton de in the past, because we didn't have as much money toun fd the program. So. Yeah, absolutely. Definitely. We'll do that. Cool. Good job. Thank you so much, Jill. Very enlightening., Hey before we before we get off that, Mr. Mayor, you help me out on this one. The the the kind of the brownstonest tha are across the street are. Julie, you've been around the brownstonest thaare across the street from the warminglt sheer. I'm not asking a question. I don't know the answer, bute. I'v That's kind of my route now. I'm startingta to ke that route more. Can I can you give me anup date? On what. What's the what's the story on those things? Okay.wh What at? They put up $100,000 bondhe and ty haven't done a darn thing. We're going to have her all done.t' So les. It doesn't need to be a 20 minute. I just just no, no, it seems like it's just not doing anything gettingwo

rse and worse quickly. I've moved forward several times to get thatrk to wo towards getting that torn down. Seems like everybody wants to come ahead, right when I'm ready to start tearing it down. We most recently had that and I asked for $100,000 bond this time to make sure that they were very serious about doing that. Theyd diprovide information for us as far as funding sources and thingsat like th. So I was able to bring that back. However, they have failed to move forward to do anything since that time. Sove I do ha communication out. I'm waiting for a reply back fromer the own of the properties. They're tagged aren't they? Oh, absolutely. Ohea yeah. Yh. They're ordered demolished. So we gave them a 90 day stay of demolition here, and it's been about 90 to maybe 120 days ago now. And so I've reached out to the owners andkn let them ow that I'm going to be moving forward with thatet bid and g it out. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Absolutely. Thank you for that. Yeah. You bet. Thanks, Daryl. All right. Baker, assistant public works director Cameron Bell, pretreatment manager. We're asked to v present onoter. Sowi the agenda ll be odors. Very complex. So we're going to try to give you the information you're looking for. We're going to talk about the odors in the city. What weo currently d lift stations and then someso maybe me intermediate options for you to consider. So what causes odors in the sewer. So this slide is kind of busy. So just kind oftt focus your aention there where it says H2Sss being le than one is low and greater than ten is high. So city has numerous spots's where it ten and several spots. That's m 100 parts perillion. And then the DDTay is a fancy w of it's a scientific way of telling you the strength of o wastewaterr a smell. And so, of course,s less than 200 i low and greater than 2000 is high. C And Siouxity has numerous

sources of 50,000. And sometimes the scale went all the way up to 600,000 when we did some testing. And of course, the major concerns are s safety totaff, public community impacts. And then of course, ourt infrastructure. Icomes from organic waste, the plant,ea what those msurements are taken from. Wen actually sent i samples through Hazen through our facility plan. What were they collected allk over? I thinI'm remembering that. Yeah. So what ouroa current apprch to odor control is this is Cameron is in charge of the odor control contracte and making sur they meet the requirements of theirel contract as wl as the industrial regulations. So these are allof our dosing e them there at Riverside Bridgeport highwaysu 75. We usea lfa LOX, which is a proprietary iron product. And then there's other dosingre locations the. Cunningham, which is that Floyd lift station, the wastewater treatment plant in York, which is down by that ball field,yd ad we inject hrogen peroxide.ou We do have a cple of industrial industry people and sistercities that at chemicals, but there's the gallon totals for25 chemicals of 20 there on the screen.pe So the city sntod 662,000 just on or control at those dosing sites last year. c Currently we alsoover our. primary clarifiers Those are theur tanks that we're crently fixing with that Arpa money. Because of the high strengthgh waste going throu those tanks. We also have foul odorrk fans on te headwos building and as well as a biological system in headworks. It's undersized and it's not operating as designed. So it's really not doing B anything but those.ack to

that. Yep. That's the last one where you had backwards that one. So is it. So your usage is based on gallons of of what goes through eachta one of those lift stions. Right. So that's how many gallons of thosechemicalst into the system. Yep. And so like Floyd wasro 17,775 gallons of hydgen peroxideau in 2025. Is that becse that's biggeror than, say, highway 75 . No, it's it's the odor control company. It has a through their studiesnd having theer contract, they've detmined that's the proper chemical for thosee site. And so they ow all the infrastructure or the capital to them. Right. Got au' heavy packing house. Yore going to have to dou more like York than yowould do up in. Yeah, it'sf based on what's kind ogoing in there. Yeah. So they the contract company alsoet owns all of the flow mers and the t tanks that sit there. Sohey own all that capital as well. Go ahead. Keep going. One more. Okay. Sone after phase after phase o improvements. So thisrs is Hazen did a odor dispeion o modeling through a lot ofur odor control sampling. And after phase one improvements it's it'ss projected to reduce odor 20 from 26. Right now 26% of ours in a five year modeling period, you can detect i an odo. So after phase ones projected to only t detect 0.1%. And so that'sheee the the map there that you s. So that's that scale of D to t that I talked about on the first couple of slides. So the t red the orange, the yellow,hat's how farpe those odors were will disrse

after phase one. So I thought about o this after you presented thisn Saturday, this slide in particular. And Iac was thinking about the contrt as we're putting it out to bid D in the construction of this.o we have any reach back guarantees or do we have anything we can put in intoca what we're buildig that we n reach these things? I mean,ns I mean, does that make any see? I'm not quite. These are, thesell are these are what they're teing us. What's the penalties if they build it and it doesn't do this, which is what Mr. Mayorth always says happens. Right? Is at they they promise. They promise. And then it doesn't do what it says it's going to do. Question.pe Bt I think it's I think let's on up our minds as this is we're in this new process is is do other communitiese do that or is there. I'm not sur you'd have to gon' back on the engineer. Right I dot know. Is there penalties onu if you're not producing what yosay it's going to do? It's not doing what it's supposed to do. I mean, it's just openee our minds to that. Anyway, let's kp going. Sorry. No. You're fine. I think also on Saturday, you said it's just a matter ofYe money. Well, for chemicals. ah, it is a matter of money. Okay, so phase one there on your screen now is theha upgrad. So the bluish purple, wtever colorat that is that's improved ventilion. Those fans odor control removal in that building. The red is our high odor processing places in the plant. So that'ser instead of te rectangular clarifis with phase with the new plant we're going to have circular ones. So we'rers going to pull the off pull the odo off of that. And then of course a couple of the other buildings. The green is we're not getting any odors from that side of the plant. That's the secondary process. That's the final steps. And then thehi orange is where the new systems for ts odor control arere going to go in those locations the. And this is kind of what the systems will look like. They're biological. They also have activated carbon. They also have a 30 foot exhaust stack.Sod

further disperse. Andhis the price of these systems will be 30 to 35 million of that phase onell cost right now. So we'll have the smaer the bigger systemha will be on the front half. And then tt smaller system will p be to pull some other odors in thelant. So are those firm numbers or stilln subject to. Well that's the desi numbers. Yeah. All right. So also we tasked our engineers to look at our heavy what we feel is our heavy odor area lift stations and also where wes from. So outside of thisso project, we have asked Hazen to al look at what we would need to do at these places. So Riverside Liftn station, the Floyd lift station there o I-29, and then York. So we the vapor phase system needs to go at some of them. Liquid phase and vaporiq phase needs to go at some of them. Your luid phase will be your chemicals and your vapor phase would bed the system I just showed you. So a liqui phase system is not currently what we use. It's a different system that we're thinking about. So that's outside of the project. But we're expected for vapor phase A 95% reduction in odors at those lift stations. f So again the same systems would go thereor that vapor phase treatment. The biologicalau filters with the carbon and then the exhst stacks. And then the next slideea we'll show you the the liquid phase trtment. It's a super oxygenation system. Basically it pulls wastewater out of the forest main injects oxygen and puts it back into the force main to hopefully keep it with enough dissolved oxygen in it. Soin by the time it gets to the plant, it doesn't stk along the way. But that's a that is

for downstream all liquid phase things are for downstream treatment. Vapor phase is for at that specific site. So we plan on installing that at well part of the go back. One more. We plan on Floyd and York for those super ox. And so the next slide is. The the trial we ran. So we ran this trial to try to mimic what that Super Oxygenation system is going to do. And it actually came outch and all we did was dose with a whole bun of hydrogen peroxide. Over the course of a week, Cameron and his team led that study, and it showed exactly what it what what theic engineers were hoping it would do, and basally proves that we can put super oxygenation at that liftdo station and that we should get reduced odors wnstream. Again, it won't it won't help the the smell atlo Floyd. That's why we're also putting the biogical filter because the biological filter will help at the smell at Floyd, the Super Oxygenation helps downstream. Soin that's where that additional cost would come . Right now we spend, like I said, $55,000 a month. If we were to do this, we would need 150,000 per month. Basically, that's what that study wasll tht we talked about on Saturday. Go ahead. A right. Other options, of course. You know, sewer plants smell. But we also want to be very good neighbors. So we're doing our best. Fixing the primaries will help also the digester project with the high strength waste injection system is going to help. Staff does not recommend that you could shut off waste hauled waste. We are we are a huge help to the to the haulers in our community by taking that waste and also outside the i community to get rid of that organic waste. So thats anen option to shut that off again.

And we do not recommd that. And then further regulation. What's that. Some used to go to the landfill. They'd have to some go to Des Moines. No no. Yeah. We actually take y trucks. The DNR will call us and be like, hey, canou take it? Because they're small communities, we want to be awass wastewater plants. I get quite a few calls from the DNR asking for places in our region if we can take stuff, because eventhet take the waste. So, yep, we can take what we want. And then of course, you can further you can we can update code for further industrial upsets and things like that, putting the burden back on, you know, if they cause the odor. But otherwise yes, yes, yes. So we take in septic waste. Is that one flat fee. And then the hallway comes in and it's based on Flow and Cameron's team again they do all the billing and the lab does the sampling for all of that. So yeah it's a tiered structure based on pollutants. But I think that's it. You have any questions about the contract or. Oh, and the contract. It was Is believe a five year contract with two one year extension that last were on that last extension. Right. And so odor control. Yeah. Soin we will that will expire June 30th. So we will be bringg forward a new option. Maybe stay with the current. But we're going to bid that contract up. We are going to bid it out. Yep. The last time we bid it out we actually ran trials. And we got we actually had people pilot their

chemicals and we bid it out. There was, I think four people that were interested, but then only three people ended up bidding back and the bids were US peroxide was significantly lower than the other bids. So. But any questions? Okay. Thank you. I want to ask, is there any performance on those contracts? No performance if they if the odor measure. Yeah. I mean that's what I'm saying is that when this contract gets drawn up, making sure that we have a gentleman. Hello. Good evening. We don't have anything as exciting or sophisticated as Super Oxygenation to talk about. We'll do our best. Super oxygen. I wasn't sure I could say it either. A few things about the permit process. As you know, we are continuing to work on upgrading our our software and doing really going to a different system altogether. We did have a meeting, a conference call today with Central Square. That's the software provider and with our IT department they did. Central square did select a t differenta new project manager. So this was our first opportunityo talk to the new project manager. And we're in the phase right now probably for the next two weeks. A lot of technical work going on. They're installing the software. They're doing a test environment because this involves payments online and so on, very similar to what we do for utilities, but a little bit different. And that's being done over the next two weeks. And at the end of that, or probably sometime next week, we've requested a firmer timeline for the steps after that, which would be the first after the everything is installed and tested, then we will move to the configurationou

phase, and that's when our team gets back together and talks abt the particular details and how it will look and how it will function. And then when that's completed, then we'll move to the training of the staff. All everyone involved with permitting, everyone involved with zoning, inspections and so on will be trained on that software. So really looking forward to that. It's taking longer than I guess we would have liked, but it is it pretty complicated to integrate that into the the software the city already owns. And so the other thing was we continue to provide you with these reports. I think we we'vea talked a little bit about improving the look formatting of these, little a little hard to read. You know, they get so detailed. But and of course, when we have the software up and running and we'll be able to generate reports from that. But if you have any questions about what the most, we're doing this weekly, Darryl. Darryl is here, of course, and he can answer any specific questions. We've we've been in a period of time where we haven't had as many. You know, it's a little slow time of the year, but it's starting to pick up now. So we'll be looking harder at how that goes. And with the increase in permits, it always happens at this time of year when people get ready to to build. So we've had over a dozen. I would say there's probably been 14 to 16 that have actually come in this last week. And we do have a vacation coming up. So we're going to work really hard on trying to get all those knocked out prior to the vacation. For the plans. Examiner coming up. Looks like we're in pretty good pace to do that. We are waiting for bond on a couple of them, things like that, but other than that, I think they're going through pretty good. The you know, it's after that first couple of weeks of, you know, it was kind of intense and a lot of finger pointing and all that good stuff. I do think we're seeing progress, because the only reason I know that is because the text messages that I'm getting from some of the developers and stuff, and there's an element of excitement out there that that we're changing, you know, we're getting there. My fear is, you

know, we don't get complacent, but things are going to get busy. And and I know you're focused on Darryl. I know you are. And I do appreciate it. Let's let's get let's get it to the field. Slowest to the fastest, most unfriendly to the friendliest customer service. Get it to the field. Get it to the field inspectors. I do have a couple of projects that are really are a little concerned about. We're not getting a lot of feedback from the people that have made the application. So we've actually asked if we could put those on hold status, if they until they're ready to move forward. I'm actually going to reach out to one of them becausere I'm a little concerned that they're not actually understanding everything we' looking for, and it's a lot simpler than I think they're trying to make it. So we'll be making some of those meetings like we've talked about in our first initial presentation, reaching out to them and being a little more proactive in that response. Great. Thanks. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you, thank you. Council concerns. No, I just I always appreciate the updates that we're getting provided. And I mean, I do feel like we're getting a little wind at our back when it comes to the economic development side of it. I just want to continue to urge the the builders and potential investors or potential developers, if they're feeling any, any unreasonable resistance, to please reach out to this council or me personally, and we can help because again, we have goals. We want to be the worst, worst the first. I also I talked about this on on on Saturday. I want to make sure the media picks this up that I want to. Julie gave me a look on Saturday. I thought was going to look to kill, but I want to compliment Craig and Ike this new council and the success we've had with snow removal this since we've we've joined, we're under budget and we've done an amazing job with snow removal since we've joined the council, so we will take full credit for that. And exactly how many snow events have we had? So other than that, Mr. Mayor, it's been a good week.

Okay, Greg, I think it was destiny that we weren't going to have any snow, because I know that the guys asked if we would sit in the, the, the, the trucks and go out at three in the morning. And I said, absolutely. And they haven't called yet. So just two very quick things had to reach out to do a tour of the new distillery. And so Gabby's going to work with them to get us all coordinated on an event for the distillery. And then I'm just going to ask Mike to follow up on Saturday. During his presentation, we had made comments about whether there was an appetite to look at a new logo for the for the city. And so I'm just going to ask Mike to maybe follow up with that and get some direction. If there's not an appetite amongst the council, I get it. If there is, then I'll work with Mike and his team to start working through a program. That's it. Thank you. No, nothing. I don't have anything either. I think that we kind of cleared the air on a lot of matters today. I think we got through a lot. Appreciate the council, both new and old. I believe we're all one, Mr. Bertrand. That's all I have. I just want to take a minute. Why? The TV's still running to thank this community for a little tough to read. The way you reached out to my family the last couple of weeks. So thank you all for that. And thank you for your patience that I wasn't here. So I move,