Zoning Board of Appeals - Regular Meeting

Wednesday, August 26, 2026

The Zoning Board of Appeals held a public hearing for the Hanley Elskin Revocable Trust at 25 Smith Street, concerning a variance request to convert an existing barn into an accessory sleeping unit. The applicant sought to reduce the required living area from 480 square feet to 387 square feet to avoid extensive construction and maintain the building's current footprint.

About this meeting

Government Body
Zoning Board of Appeals
Meeting Type
Zoning Board Of Appeals
Location
Shelter Island, NY
Meeting Date
August 26, 2026

Transcript

16 sections

0:00 – 0:17Speaker 1

It's not me. It's only me. It's not people. Feedback. One minute. Is it right? Right. Rolls are calling. William Johnson. He's here. Thomas Grafagnino. He's here. Lisa Krakauer.

0:18 – 0:38Speaker 1

Phil Diorio. He's here. CBI Attorney Tim Hill and Zoom are with us. The first agenda is to review and approve the minutes on June 24, 2026. I have a suggestion. I'm putting forward a suggestion. I'm signing it. Is everyone okay with it?

0:38 – 0:51Speaker 1

Yes. Yes. Okay. There's only one hearing in our meeting today. It's on 25 Smith Street. Hanley Elskin Revocable Trust. Christina, can you read the announcement for that?

0:52 – 1:29Speaker 3

25 Smith Street, Hillbain, New Jersey is the hearing on the revocation of the Hanley-Elskin revocable trust. This is listed as 7 Poojam Poojam 19158 in the Suffolk County Taxi Map. The Town Court Section 133-1 Poojam E-37, which was required to allow the construction of an accessory sleeping bed in the 387 square meter area, has been reduced. The board gave us a letter from Coligan. Since they had an appointment before Ms. Hanley's board, they disappeared from the appointment.

1:31 – 7:54Speaker 1

Okay, so is there anyone to inform us? Yes, Mr. Sherman, Sherman Engineering & Consulting. I have come for Ms. Hanley. This property is known to everyone as 25 Smith Street, Smith-Baldwin Streets. The single family house on site was built in 1892. It is a main house with two backyards. It is about 1.5 acres or 1.45 acres of land. It is a main house with four bedrooms and two bathrooms. According to the assessor regulations, the total area is 2529 square feet. So this is an ordinary shelter island farmhouse. Today, the objective in front of you is to convert a barn into an accessory sleeping unit. As mentioned in the notice, any accessory building that is able to sleep according to the Town Code requires a 480 sq. ft. living area. Those 480 sq. ft. will not include bathrooms, hallways, closets. According to the usual calculation, it will take a total of 600 square feet to get the 480 square feet required by the town code. The total height of the building is about 18 by 26 feet. The height above the height around the building is 13 by 2 feet. There is no change in the height of the building in the planned plan. The main part of the building is 3.5 feet wide and 17 feet long, with an area of about 57 square feet. This is to build a bedroom according to the rules of the Municipal Assembly or the rules of the New York State. Since it is a little big, it will be a room in the area to use as a bedroom. The first layout we are looking for is 387 square feet instead of 480. The entire layout of the building will be 476 instead of about 600. So, we are building a layout that is about 130 feet less than the layout required by the Municipal Assembly. Was it 41? No, the average is 476. In fact, the change is that we are mainly dependent on 480. Yes, 480 is reduced to 387. That is, the difference of 93 square feet. Yes. It is related to the construction. It can be seen in the plans submitted to the zoning board. The width of the bedroom is 8 feet long and 13.5 feet wide, with 108 square feet inside. According to the New York State Code, a room that is suitable for living should have a width of at least 70 square feet. So, according to the New York State Code, we are building a room that is slightly larger than 70 square feet. In addition, according to the New York State Code, there should be at least 7 feet of length for one side of the bedroom. The size of the bedroom is very small. The size of the bedroom is slightly larger than the size of the bedroom we are suggesting, i.e. 8 feet. Therefore, the size of the bedroom is 8 feet x 13.5 feet. There is a small kitchen that is about 80 square feet in size. It is 8 x 10.5 feet. Then there is a living room and dining room of about 12 x 15 feet in size. In Churukkam, we are only conducting the minimum number of cradles required to turn this building into a useful bedroom. Therefore, we would like to allow a large number of cradles to be removed from this building. Thus, it is reduced to 93 square feet. If we look at other zoning issues, there are 98 feet from Baldwin and 91 feet from Padinyaran Adirthi. and 140 feet to Smith Street and 185 feet below the property line on the south side. So, there is plenty of space in the zoning setbacks. The maximum height is 13.5 feet, as I said. So, the rest is within the zoning code. We are only asking for a limit to not make this building too large. According to Tharadhamyam, the increase we expect is 57 square feet. If we do an increase according to the code, it will be 190 square feet. That is, 9.5 feet wide and 19.5 feet long, so we increase it to 200 square feet in total. Therefore, we believe that it is right to change these minor regulations. This will help to avoid unnecessary major construction and to avoid things that are not suitable for construction. We will have to build more roads that will affect the condition of the excess construction site and the roads near it, and we will have to maintain a limit of 480 square metres. and read something about the new septic tank. Yes, if this is approved, it is a must for the town and county. The septic tank and leaching pool on the north bank will have to be approved. It will use an IA septic system and build one or two new leaching pools together. It will provide shelter for the house and this new sleeping corner. In addition to both, a Y connection will be provided to the system. This will be important for all such projects, especially when adding a sleeping unit or a remote living facility. A septic system in a place so old and so old is not enough to support two buildings.

8:01Speaker 2

I understood. What is this building used for? Is it just for storage?

8:05 – 8:48Speaker 1

No, this is an incomplete place with no special facilities. But it is designed like a playroom. Such an interesting building. There is some furniture there. Used for storage. But it is basically just a large storage shed. It is well done. But that's all. There is a bathroom and lighting there. It's not in a crawl space, isn't it? One part of it. A small part is in the slab. A small part is in the crawl. Yes, I know they changed it years ago. Oh, is that so? Yes, yes, they did that job. Then they made a small crowd next to it. Yes, I think it's around the beginning of 2000. I think so. Almost the same number. Yes. Then how will it be heated?

8:48Speaker 3

It will be a split unit.

8:54 – 10:26Speaker 1

According to the New York State Code, if this is not an accessory sleeping, it will have to be converted into an accessory deling unit to get the required insulation. Strapping has to be reversed. We have hurricane strapping. Since this is not the case at present, a lot of things have to be done to protect residential buildings. Then insulation is one of them. It was seen in the environmental report that new energy laws would be implemented. Exactly. Yes, yes, it is a building department requirement. Yes, this is not going to be used as a house. This is for the family, isn't it? No, this is intended to be used like a mother-in-law's suit. That's why I asked them if this was intended to be used as an accessory sleeping unit. That's why I asked them to change this to an accessory deling unit. But that's not my intention. Both have the same code requirements. So there are no differences. But what we intend to use this for is to ensure that it is close to family members. Then there are two more parking spaces with hookups in it. Yes, I can see it. Yes, close to the deck and near the entrance deck. Does anyone else have anything to say?

10:26 – 10:56Speaker 3

Did you try to make it bigger and more legal in a way that there was no need for house space variance? Was there any cost difference in it? This is your main argument, that this should not be unnecessarily enlarged. But what was it that you were investigating?

10:57 – 11:57Speaker 1

We investigated many different options. First, we looked at the construction of a new building there. We investigated a large circle with a reverse gable on the side of the building and on the side of the baldwin. If we increase the size of the land by a little more than 6 feet, we will get the required living space according to the law of the land. By doing so, there will be a big increase in cost and location. So we examined many things. I don't need the numbers for the cost of construction, but I can bring it to you. Yes, I can write it down and submit it. Yes, we have investigated many things. Their first goal was to reduce the size of the building as much as possible. When they approached me with this project, I had already explained the problem. We can investigate other ways too. We can see if they are practical. Reason? They have a place for it. This is a big place. They... Yes, I know it's a big place.

11:58Speaker 3

Certainly, we can do that.

12:06 – 16:30Speaker 1

That was one of the reasons why I told him to take care of what was standing on the roadside. Since there is a lack of space, I would like to make it clear that we are not trying to make any small changes. The discussion here is about why it is being built as much as necessary. It is for more space and cost. Yes, thank you. Yes, when I examined the plans, I felt that the use of space was very good. We can raise the question that more construction could not have been done. I agree, but you said that when you do insulation and when you do splits, all the laws must be obeyed and that there should be a force to oppose the heat. Do you think there is any effort in that? Will this stick to this? Yes. Will you stop this at this point or later? Yes, we will do it because I have examined the building. I have examined the back of it too. That is one thing that is certain. You know, this is an old building. But it is certain like a rock. When you get to that point, I don't think you will say, hey, we have to do all this. We have to go to 190 feet. That's right. Yes, when they tear this up, does it look unusual? The damage caused by the animals. If they see that we have not seen anything like this before, then we will have to find a way to change the situation. But I have investigated it, the police have investigated it, and we have not seen anything that suggests that there will be a problem. Does anyone else have anything to say? Team, do you think we have left anything behind? No, I think we have handled the questions related to the answers. You know that, right? David Austin Home Owners Association Line So, from the beginning, what I understood from the things we talked about was that it was important to find a place for the old people who were old enough to live, and not to affect the beauty of the place in a big way. We really like the size of things. This big house, then the house. When we came to stay, we tried to stop everything in that house itself. We examined it. There were a lot of drawings of the same size and size, but I didn't feel like moving them, because it would take up a lot of space. It would hide some parts of the view. When I saw it, it felt like another big building built here. Grandparents have a big problem with this. So, That change doesn't seem so valuable, does it? That's why we decided, okay, let's ask. This is a much smaller scale than the necessary explanation. Let's see if that's possible. That's all there is to it. The goal is the same. This is for the elderly. They couldn't stay at home because of the studies. You need a place where people can come and go easily. This will be useful for the elderly and those who live in the village. That's all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Do you have anything to ask the host or the hostess? No. Okay. I would like to end this hearing by opening up the instructions from Rekha till September 9th. We can discuss this in our work session on September 16th. I would like to end this hearing by opening up the instructions from September 9th and I would like to end this hearing by opening up the instructions from September 9th and I would like to end this hearing by opening up the instructions from September 9th and I would like to end this hearing by opening up the instructions from September 9th and I would like to end this hearing by opening up the instructions from September 9th and I would like to end this hearing by opening up the instructions from September 9th and I would like to end this hearing by opening up the instructions from September 9th and I would like to end this hearing by opening up the instructions from September 9th and I would like to end this hearing by opening up the instructions from September 9th and I would like to end this hearing by opening up the instructions from September 9th and I would like to end this hearing by opening up the instructions from September 9th and I I think this is the end of it. Can anyone suggest a way to end yoga? I suggest it. I suggest it. Is everyone okay with it? Yes. Yes.

16:30Speaker 3

Good night, everyone.

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