Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

like to call the February 5th 202 uh Planning Commission to order have a roll call please Barrett here Rees here Alexander here Porter here Johnson here Hayes hry we have a COR thank you very much item number one consideration of approval of the minutes of the December 4 2024 regular meeting do we have any additions subtractions or comments if no then I would entertain a motion I move to approve second we have a motion in a second Johnson I Barrett I Reese hi Alexander hi Porter I motion passes 5 Z thank you very much item number two public hearing and consideration of a request to rezone from transitional agriculture to C2 reg Regional commercial case rz01 d25 applicant Tracy win and Landes engineering good afternoon planning Commissioners ran Harkins community development director this is as noted a request to reson property from the transitional egg District to C2 which is the regional commercial um it is located along 45th Street East of Harrison um near the intersection of Church Hill and 45th um we included in the packet for you not only the staff report but also a print out of the existing zoning of the area there is Transitional egg immediately East and West there is C1 immediately South um and then R1 as

well to the north um the applicant is looking and they currently own the property they're looking at trying to develop the parcel into a retail nail salon as noted in the staff report um this is a type of what is considered as far as a use type in the zone development code a personal service um that is permitted in in the C2 um the comprehensive plan future land use map indicates the subject property has medium density residential designation this features a density as note we note in the staff report of up to 12 units per acre um it also notes that there's a mix of lower density housing types Li higher intensity uses with connection to Neighborhood commercial um with that in mind staff does not see the C2 zoning District as a likely compatible zoning District to that land use classification uh we do note in the staff report that C1 is which is a step below the C2 is a bit more compatible um it's more of a neighborhood or a local commercial zoning District um this type of use is allowed in as a permitted use in both zoning districts um staff filled that did the required notifications um um not only signage and legal notice in the newspaper but um Property Owners within 300 feet were sered notice via letter I believe some of them are here today um having said that the staff's recommendation when you look at the second page of the staff report um is that with the mix of the land use classifications and the zoning districts in the area uh surrounding the properties we recommend or an actual rezoning from the TA to C1 because it's

more of a compatible zoning District in terms of options however that are available to you you can recommend to the city commission the property to be reson to C2 per the applicant's request to C1 which is staff's recommendation you can deny the application or recommend denial or you recommend deferral if you feel there's additional discussion or information needed having said that I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have has have you spoken with the applicant we shared with their agent um that in our mind C1 might be more of a compatible zoning District they were going to talk with their clients and get back to us and we never heard back um in that regard so the their initial feedback seem to be that they would be open to that um just as long as the rezoning can take place to a level that allows this permitted use to occur anyone else so this is probably way over simplifying it the difference between a C1 and a C2 is that a C2 would would allow larger more more larger entities to to to reload to to locate it within that area right correct C2 is the regional commercial um and in your packet there is a comparison table um from ta to C1 as well as another table that shows ta to C2 um so C2 being the regional commercial allows more of the the higher intensity commercial uses whereas C1 tries to focus a little bit more on the local neighborhood type of intensity was the word I was searching for yeah so intensity and density yes right

right and that little strip just to the West along the new Street going back into the Housing Development didn't we um or wasn't it rezoned uh in a medium density and then basically there is some R1 around to the north and so that would include that residential property that basically banks around from the West up to the north side okay cuz I remember discussion from the applicant for the whole addition that uh that little strip just to the South or just to the west of this was going to be more medium density than R1 but I don't remember if it was yeah most of what we've seen has been single family residential which is more fitting with the R1 um traditionally but um under the new code they could certainly take R1 and go add duplexes if they wanted to go more medium density okay that just hasn't we haven't seen anything like that yet okay thank you anything else thank you thank you at this time I'd like to uh open the floor for the public hearing if anyone would like to speak for or against this item uh you may now uh come forward and write down your name and uh we'll allow you to time to speak would anyone like to come forward yes sir my name is Rob Morris I live at 1307 in Northridge um a little

bit south of this uh I don't particular have a problem I do kind of like that staff went with C1 instead of C2 so that it doesn't allow bigger things in the future that could come about they'd have to come back through um other than that I don't see it being a problem we're going to be widening 45th Street and to think that there's not going to be commercial things coming to 45th Street when it's four lane I mean I think it's going to come uh the very last thing is since this is on YouTube now I'd like to remind everybody that extensions aren't a bad thing and good things still pass even with exensions so if you have a conflict no more voting for friends and their properties and no more voting for family thank you would anyone else like to speak seeing no one else I will now close the public hearing and I would entertain a motion I'd make a motion to uh reone from ta to C1 second we have a motion and a second any discussion Johnson I Barrett I Reese I Porter I Alexander I motion passes 5 Z thank you very much moving on to item number three study session items comprehensive plan and Zoning uh just so the commission knows this is a continuation of training modules we've been doing for you um pet has put these two quick study session items together just so that we can do additional training with you to make it a little bit easier and available here when you're already here for meetings rather than trying to try and find ways to do additional time commitments outside of Planning Commission meetings so she's got two that we're going to walk through today and you're welcome to

ask questions during or after thank you these monitors aren't on down here supposed to be oh we get thought it might be slightly more interesting if they were on yeah is it done now the hamsters are on the wheel spin okay hello your Commissioners so uh as Mr Harin said we're continuing with the training modules that uh we think will be beneficial and the first topic we're discussing today is the role of the comprehensive plan and understand why this plan is so important and how we can uh use it as a improving tool and for future grow in the city so uh in this session we'll um learn what are the legal powers that uh this plan provides what is the definition what is the purpose of that plan uh what is the process to uh OB a or to upgrade existing plan and what are the key elements that we need to include in that plan so the legal Powers it start everything start with a standard City uh planning enabling act which was adopted in

1928 uh also that piece of legislature uh provide the power for the existing of Planning Commission and board of adjustments that we discuss in the previous sessions uh it authorized the Planning Commission to be um the steart and uh initiator of the comprehensive plan that Community would need and if any Community wants to uh regul regulate zoning a comprehensive plan must be exist without comprehensive plan will not have the legal right to regular zoning in the community so the Planning Commission should observe the creation implementation and upgrading on the comprehensive plan uh so the first question that come to mind is how often do we need to upgrade the comprehensive plan and there is no Golden Rule but I would suggest it depends on the size of the community and how many changes and how often there is Extreme changes happen so I would say 10 years Mark is a good deadline for a community of this side if uh we start to see more zoning changes more variation request uh before the board of adjustment that is comprehensive plan it's a little bit outdated and we need to start looking components that need to be up to dat uh so um again the standard the standard City Planning act provides the content of the comprehensive plan and of course of course there is a no specific key component that are listed in that piece of legislature we'll discuss what is suggested because it vary from state to

state uh also um this um act Grant The Authority uh based on health safety and general welfare of the community and this language is very important because by this language we judge uh every variation and every reasoning that is uh submitted uh for your video so uh as I mentioned this plan this plan provide a legal ground for zoning regulations so what is the definition of the comprehensive plan because when some people hear comprehensive plan and all kind of things come to their mind but pretty much this is the legal document that each Community must have to regulate um and to apply for Capital Improvements development projects and economic development uh patterns if we want to regulate grow Spurs um development of C neighborhood we need to have that comprehensive plan without that plan city is very in a vulnerable position because um it just can open opportunity for litigations uh so in some communities it's called comprehensive plan in some communities it's called master plan uh land use plan they're all the same they're just naming all the same plan uh and of course why do we need this plan because it's guidance for the public for the Developers for um um economic patterns that we want to see travel corridors if we want to do certain studies um we need to have that comprehensive

plan so what is the purpose and again it creates a vibrant and inclusive community it provide a view of a big picture so pretty much look very broadly it's not super specific but with broad brush uh looks up to housing Economic Development public infrastructure Environmental Protection hazard mitigation and how they relate to each other it's pretty much established a Community Vision to bring Community efforts if communities in this position today where we want to go five or 10 or 20 years from now uh also uh coordinate local decision makers uh making it's support and promote adoption of certain policies that guides the local government in the daily decisions um coordinate decisions for the developers and land owners uh this is very important because if there is a resoning case like we have today we refer to the comprehensive plan because that's the legal Authority um so um this plan regulated how the city can grow how can the city invest monies how the budget is developed um because such Investments uh affect future growth and development uh also the plan provides M ground for informed decisions it's the data that this plan provided is fact-based and support the decisions um just to be uh fair and objective also the plan provides a measure for consistency on government actions and decisions and limit possibility for

future litigations uh allow active participations from all stakeholders so either elected or appointed appointed officials Citizens Business communities uh Property Owners faith-based organization they're all included uh when this plan is developed so um the plan preparation process uh with all this data collection meeting surveys Town Halls um pretty much channel into developing this Vision goals objectives and action plan so the process creates very creates very informed uh consistency and this is the pattern that every planning process should go so yeah let's focus a little bit more now on I have been projecting the wrong slides notice I'm sorry I thought there was something off you should have speak off I'm kidding I can't read most of the small print anyway that's slide legal powers

miss this is the purpose and now the process we got most of them right yeah so we start with a community study which pretty much provides for the community snapshots what is the population demographics education um earning power spending power landscape businesses environment sources all all kind of stuff that Define the community what it is uh then we move to plan development which involves land use uh how we want the land that is part of the community to be used in the future what type of Mobility we're envisioning do we're just focusing on car Mobility or we want to involve uh other type of mobilities mobilities like biking walking public Transportation do we want to include all that uh what type of Economic Development the community is envisioning uh do we want to attract more small type of businesses or we prefer to focus on big box stores or maybe both of them uh do we think to provide any type of attraction or incentives for particular type of businesses housing how we want to solve issues if any of the housing uh what type of housing are predominantly um popular in the community and do we see any gap of housing that we need to cover for example I can tell you majority of the communities in Oklahoma they're focused on single family housing so this is the largest percentage in pretty much all the communities do we want to open doors

for more mixus development or quad Plex or quad plexes or uh more multif family uh housing opportunities so this is all the decisions that Community makes and it needs to be included in the plan uh because it will regulate the future decisions um do we involve do we practice any historic preservation do we have neighborhoods or areas that are prone to Historic preservation and are those important for the community uh strategies for implementation uh this include all kind of Tim taes uh infrastructure uh we prioritize what is priority from one to 100 and um action plan um what is high priority who is responsible for and what is the deadline that we need to hold that party accountable uh in Final Phase of course is the adoption which means before adoption it will be public Hearing in front of the Planning Commission and based on Planning Commission recommendation uh this document will move up to City commission for final decision so the plan established the needs for creating or updating the existing plank like the city of sh we have comprehensive plan do we need to upgrade that or is it still working well with the projects that we're carrying on daily basis so um we need to address the critical points we need to recognize what are the critical points so far and the current projects that the the city carries um how the budget reflects that

plan is there off or there work simultaneously uh and of course we can um not we can but we need to select a committee internal Committee of experts that will kind of observe the whole process of upgrade upgrading the plan um are we hiring Consultants to do that upgrade or we will decide to be done in house by the city staff and whoever else is in that committee um so all that is very complex and time taking process but the point is to be super focused in specific even though it's very Broad in general plan because out of the comprehensive plan the community can build more specific plans such as neighborhood plan or business district plan or some other type of plans that uh are more specific in detailed for specific area and lastly what are the key elements and again this is not exhaustive list this is just suggestions as you me mention in some states there is specific elements that um ought to be included because of their um legislature so uh as I mentioned Community Baseline analysis is the community snapshot that uh talks about population demographics education business landscape income uh environment uh historic preservation stuff like that Vision goals and objectives and we all know what is the difference between goal and objective yeah goal is more General and objective is something that we can measure and we

put the measuring criteria by which uh the community is held accountable or who is the responsible party of that um plan development uh it touch on land use Mobility Economic Development housing branding utilities branding becomes very popular with certain communities nowadays which means what is something so specific to the city of shy that we want to just r on that and develop future expand of the community and the Final Phase is the adoption uh plan finalization public hearings Workshop shop Etc so this is pretty much an a nutshell what is a comprehensive plan because there is much more that can be talk about it but for the sake of time this is just a short informative session and of course if you have any questions feel free to ask but um those are just some guiding questions do we really need a comprehensive plan yes because we want to uh regul zoning again without comprehensive plan we don't have the legal right to regul zoning uh what are the legal powers for adopting the comprehensive plan standard City Planning enabling act which is federal law adopted 1928 uh could we just adopt zoning claw and codes no we cannot because that's illegal that's violate the federal law we cannot uh can we cut the public involvement component in developing the

comprehensive plan to save time and money no that's illegal we cannot that's will violate the federal law and how often do we need to upgrade the comprehensive plan depends I'll let you speak you said about three years for our size but depends depends yeah it it depends um how well the current plan corresponds to the projects that the city is carrying any questions on that on the key elements and I've asked thisy yeah the previous go back yes key elements you know I know the environment's mentioned in Baseline but it seems to me and I've noticed this in not just our community but other communities as well larger size is we talk about mobility and thoroughfare but we don't really talk about other engineering conveniences like storm water storm water removal how do you deal with making sure you've got a appropriate water supply appropriate Sewer Supply there's is is is the is is the industry you work in beginning to see those as being not just because of regulatory requirements but because of trying to keep up with the way that things work an engineering cost yeah figuring those where where do we see those come into the comprehensive plan I guess is my question that's a very good question thank you for asking that uh some communities they have specific plans and those um not necessarily issues but in those areas some communities they even have uh Hazard mitigation plan separately comprehensive plan is the one that unite all of them so here is the place where this should be mentioned if there is a specific like city of sh has strategic plan which is great here is the place that this strategic plan should be

referred uh if we develop storm water and water distribution plan if we have separate this is the place where they should be linked so pretty much imagine that comprehensive plan is a broad umbrella and everything goes under so the ideal would be that if we if we create a new commercial District or something that we would that the engineering plans for like storm water conveyance would would marry into that yes at the development phase at the at the well at the uh the strategic planning phase which is where we're at now as opposed to whenever the development is getting ready to occur yes and if there is a misalignment between those current projects and the existing comprehensive plan that means we should upgrade the comp plan because that is the major master plan that pretty much covers all the areas of the capital Improvement projects that the city is carrying on y thank you any other questions if not just move on to the other presentation that side is much better looking than this side by the way what's that that side is much better looking than this side I don't know you was going to say we're a fine looking bunch there you can carry it all by yourself over there yes uh this session will'll discuss uh zoning regulations and City Planning as we learn they come they come out of the comprehensive

plan so we'll discuss what is the legal power for zoning regulations what is the definition um zoning Administration and application process so again uh standard City Zoning uh standard City Planning enabling act 1928 provides uh legal ground and authoriz developing the comprehensive plan out of which the communities can regulate zoning um it provides guidance to develop zoning ordinances um provide for privately developed land uh provision for um Grant Authority again is based on health safety and general welfare and this is very important language I caution you to remember that uh because when decision needs to be made those are the questions that we need to ask ourselves is the proposal benefits the health safety and general welfare of the public um again the zoning ordinances it's l regulation that is defined by the comprehensive plan we have specific section in the comprehensive plan that says future L use and uh that section is the one that guides any future Capital Improvement Pro uh processes um the growth uh or limitation of growth of the city uh some communities because they grow too fast and their utilities canot cannot support that growth they limit um issuing of B building permits in certain areas so that's happen

um Planning Commission and board of adjustments they have the the power to enforce the zoning codes so Planning Commission is the um entity that provides for the suggestions and of course the final decision is the city commission and we all know how it works if there is a objection to City commission decision they can go before the board of adjustments so um Oklahoma statue title 19 counting uh counties and county officers regulate regulates the zoning so what do zoning means and what allows and what restricts it restricts on building Heights number of stories and size of the building what is the square footage allowable un certain piece of property uh also restrict uh unlock coverage we call it far or floor area ratio and this is calculated within the zoning codes uh restriction on lot sizes yard sizes setbacks front setback side setback uh backyard setbacks this is all in the zoning codes uh developing and controlling zoning districts in the community so if we want to have have business district or we want to have art districts this is the place where this is restricted and it's very specific what is allow how it is allow and what is prohibited um also it regulates creating and maintaining zoning overlays so what is zoning overlays let's say uh the

compreh the future length use of the comprehensive plan uh call this uh residential area for whatever reason uh there is a proposal that is acceptable to the community and it will benefit the health welfare and safety of the community but it doesn't meet the current codes then this overlay is created that is very specific just for this certain area uh in terms of height of uh size of the structures uh the setback the landscape and this is just for specific purpose uh creating and maintaining PL unit development so plant unit development sounds very similar in terms of um requirements but it's uh way smaller in size over overlay could be in terms of couple neighborhoods well uh plan unit development is much more smaller in size and specifically design to improve the area and provide services that are lacking according to the current zoning District uh also control mix use development it regulate where um mix use development is allowable um it it makes sense to be along major transportational corridors where it's a lot of public that goes back in for but it's not necessarily a must uh regulate regulate parking landscape requirement so it used to in the past parking was a for specific square footage that many parking spot must be created over the years this shifted a little bit towards minimum parking

requirements and now communities are even trying to stay away from that because we all seen this um big commercial players in the communities like big box stores that have humongous parking spots that how often they're full to their capacity so um this is the place where Community can regulate their parking requirements uh of course landscape uh what is allowable uh what type of um Greenery is allowable what type of fences what is the height material stuff like that so uh this is the hierarchy of the zoning Administration again it start with the city council which is the final decision body uh go Downs to Planning Commission which is recommendation body but is the first one that opened for public hearing pertaining um zoning cases um Board of adjustments is the one that is um use if people disagree with the city commission decisions and of course planning staff that prepare and collect all the information and develop um the documents that you receive for every meeting so what is the application process for zoning changes um pretty much for majority of the city has application form that is on the city website and the applicant needs to find the right application and completed it uh for depends on the case we may have pre-application meeting uh specifically designed to

collect more data and to provide additional information to the applicant because this is the stage where we want to make clear to the applicant what the city may allow and what the city May restrict we don't want for them to purchase a property and learn afterwards uh and of course the city staff will do a final review of all planning documentation if something is missing is more uh information is required that is the time to be collected before the package is compiled and be presented to you and of course the final stage is the public hearing which is this setting so this is the pop quiz what allows the zoning regulations the comp plan so well run it's the comprehensive plan that allows for that who is the governing body overseeing the zoning regulation City commission you oh your suggestion goes before the city Comm without you the city commission cannot uh make the decision this body absolutely a must uh what zoning can't and can't regulate so let me go back what we can regulate those are the stuff that we can regulate and I can tell you what cannot regulate we cannot regulate ugly oh that's ugly to me I understand there is no piece of law that regulate ugly because it's very sub objective we need to be super specific um do we need public hearing process to apply zoning

regulations absolutely yes because this is transparent and open to community process um and why do I need to have permit to build something because we need to comply with the zoning regulations and um Mr John may think he understand the joing the zoning regulations and build his fivestory apartment complex and turn out oh you're missing that missing that missing here no we need to follow this regulations for them let me remind you that language safe uh health safety and general welfare if there is a litigation happen between the city and private entity developer private citizen doesn't matter this is the first language that the court will pull because this is part of the federal law any questions tell me again where you said we were in our comprehensive plan life I'm sorry tell me where we were I thought you said at the beginning like where we were in the life of our comprehensive plan to my knowledge I think it's 5 years old it was adopted in 2019 okay so maybe more than years so obviously we have new census incorporate um and then other directions and things that would be factored in yeah at this point that that would be part of an update or lots of outside and economic forces right that we need to adapt to no okay so it's time were in that range yes just want to make sure I heard that

right it's just a matter of how we would do that yeah maybe we can start looking at certain components how well they represent the current conditions in the community and figure it out do we need full upgrades or we just need partial upgrades but um as Mr hackin said yeah pretty much 10 years it might be short uh might be less might be more but 10 years when the population usually shift right demographic change yeah so what do you need from us what's the next step uh if there is a need of upgrade it needs to be uh requested by this commission would like to request comprehensive Plan update does the staff have a recommendation I'm sorry does the staff have a recommendation we have ask for money in the CIP um in the next fiscal year or two to actually do an update of the account plan and and write a new one okay whether or not the budget resources will be there um and if not how we go about from there making that happens okay there's two or three options that staff is kind of Val ating at this point so nothing imminent from us no okay thank you bottom line is we need to work as a two hands of one body we cannot function without you and you cannot function without us yes so we all need to be in the same page and pretty much that's the purpose of this short training sessions that we decide to start doing so uh we all be as a one

mind thank you so much you thank you moving on moving moving on to item number four Community Development Department updates thank you Mr chairman um we will keep I'll keep this part short um I will tell you we have a new new planner starting on staff next week um for those of you that uh remember Emily lizenby short tenure um before she took a position back in Oklahoma City um her replacement begins next Monday um her name is Diana Hood she is coming from the city of Stillwater um she has a bachelor's degree in geography with an emphasis in urban planning from BYU um and she's been on staff there for a couple of years but she's excited to get into a bit more structured work environment um and and take on a A new challenge um staff is working in a collaborative effort between a couple of members from the arts and culture committee uh commission as well as a couple of members from the park board to look at the idea of replacing some of the Landscaping areas with public art possibilities um and what how that could be done so staff is involved in that discussion we continue to work with new staff members at HUD um on getting continued compliance with our cdbg program and we're making continue make rides there um and helping the new staff members understand where we're at and where we've been over the last couple of years um we will begin monitoring with the state for one of the covid related grants um in the next month as well staff is also looking at the the methods to do an update of the Consolidated plan that is the guide for

our cdbg funding that's a five-year document um and then each year there's a what we call an annual action plan that truly just guides again the cdbg program overall um so we're trying to see if we can use get an RFP out the door to go after a consultant or if we need to pursue that inhouse um other things the staff is working on we continue to get a lot of different questions especially with the new code um can I do this or how can it be done um so it's it's continues to be an education curve there um and then other special projects coming along including discussions about housing and other things in the community so with that I'd be happy to answer any questions all right thank you thank you sir moving on to item number five Commissioners comments thank you uh thanks for these updates they're the education is nice to have for for those of us who are struggling sometimes to keep up I appreciate that um you had mentioned last time we met that all we had to do is request something and that doesn't make that doesn't make it happen but it kind of starts the wheels going um I I would like to request a traffic study on both kapoo and Harrison now what that looks like uh I think that needs to obviously this the planning staff needs to try to figure that out engineering staff but really above I would even take it down to Independence or federal and above all the way up to the the highway and Beyond out towards our city limits um and I would be happy to help out with that in any way that you would

need me to as both a commissioner and and a citizen so just let me know what that looks like but I think both of those things need to be done um I just wanted United acts of kindness is uh February the 14th so I encourage all of you to do something kind next Friday um the economic development Summit is February 27th um one of the topics they're addressing is housing and so I think um for anybody that's available to attend it would be good to get the information and be a part of the conversation um Retreat is happening on March the 8th and so um working alongside keep America beautiful um replan trees in our community from the impact of the tornado um we're still looking for volunteers to help with that so um if you or anyone you know um would be interested in volunteering um there's a lot of um space for volunteers to help um with that in our community um and lastly I just wanted to address Mr Morris's comments about conflict of interest um um we all sign an Ethics Clause up here um to serve on these boards and just knowing somebody does not make it a conflict of interest um so I just saying that we can't vote on things for people that we know is incorrect information so okay yeah um well to kind of piggy back off you a little bit I was going to talk about Retreat too um because we kind of talked about it at another

meeting this morning and it sounds like maybe they are still needing or like giving out some trees if people need them so there's still some trees left if anybody knows of someone that lost a tree in the tornado and wants a replacement um I think it's going to be a cool thing for shaie and and poaty County as a whole and um looking forward to helping out with that I have nothing you all have done a great job glad we made you proud Steve yes always um I had it written down and of course left that piece of paper at home um the upcoming planning um uh I can't exactly find the words for it and that's going to happen out here at the Expo Center yes thank you sorry um staff is hosting um on behalf of the Oklahoma chapter of the American Planning Association a one-day mini conference um on February 20th at the Expo Center um if Commissioners wish to attend please let staff know and we will get you registered um if we have what appears to be a quorum we will make sure we issue a notice a special meeting and clarify that it is a training session and that no decisions will be made and no public discussion of any items but um yeah just please let me know that um staff will be involved from our department in a couple of sessions that day one about Twin Lakes and the master plan there one about um housing pallets um with a couple of other communities that have done it in the state um and then a couple members of the Planning Commission and uh a member of the board of adjustment are going to speak about just from a public officials perspective how how important the planning process is and what makes it from their perspective go well um so we appreciate

their input there and their time um there will also be a session um about ethics for planners and legal issues relating to development and land use um just to give you a highlight of of the day but it's about 6 hours total um so we anticipate about we're planning for about between 50 and 60 people um planners from around the state what's the time it it starts at 9:00 a.m. so it's like a 9: to 4:30 by the time you include lunch former colleague of my is a uh in the planning department in Norman and I was asking her if she was coming and um I had the date wrong but um we got that figur it out she's like yes I'm probably going to bring my whole staff so I send her the link I would encourage the commission if you cannot commit a whole day at least one for session or two because um all the topics that are going to present it are important and it will be super helpful is there an agenda already put together um if you click on the link for the registration um you should be able to see the agenda um but if you don't get that open let me know and we can send it to you okay and you have you emailed that to us before yes okay and as far as registering you said you let us know we will register for you okay okay are other municipalities bringing their planning Commissioners I have no idea oh that would be up to them sure I just thought maybe y'all talk about it or something we encourage them yeah uh because this is at least in state it not super for Destination so we encourage to bring their Commissioners

but we don't know at this point and shaie is centrally located exactly yes yeah okay okay anything else seeing nothing else um I will adjourn this meeting thank you all very much would you for