Tourism Advisory Committee - Regular Meeting

Are we not stepping on David? David isn't on the on the city council needs to. So Marcy is still the person, but Marcy may she was one of the only places open the spot. Candy slammed. It was crazy. Twice and it's like it was as fast as they could get coffee from people, right? So I And I know Linda's not coming. So this could be And then if I need to uh abstain from voting, do you have enough people for votes? Probably not that.

Not if you abstain. Yeah. I mean, historically, we hadn't abstained for like SDA stuff and things like that. Yeah, Keith has She has not. You have. I have. My point is I have a If you're not making personal gain from it, you can vote on it. That makes sense. That's because if if everyone who worked on committees around this town, no one on this committee would be able to vote for anything. So you only got, you know, 2% of the of the people volunteer is all anyway. So

yeah, if as long as you're not getting financial gain now, now if you were taking a salary cut on this thing, then yeah, you'd have to, right? So but some for the chamber, although you're getting paid by the chamber, right? I see. So I mean the one option is that we could vote on the ones we can vote on and not vote on that one until next month. That's possible. I mean it's not or send out a digital vote. We've always historically done it in person. Okay. But yeah, if you want to get going on it if the sooner you know the well kind of that's the plan is January. So yeah. So I don't know. It's kind of tough.

So, yeah, I don't know if if this is getting any more money in your pocket or not. I I don't know. I'm not paid on commission. Yeah. Or objectives completed. Are we ready to get started, coach? Yes, I think so. Okay. 303. Welcome to the tourism advisory committee regular meetings. Welcome. Introduction. Satie Mercer, Keith Chandler, Bruce Swson, Charles. Okay, view the minutes. I move to approve the minutes of November 19th.

Can't second because it wasn't there. Yeah, I I second. All those in favor? I financial review.

Let's take a look. financial report as November uh travel meeting that was an Oregon's North Coast meeting and Ken Heman is all SDA breakfast meeting September 25th through October 30th. Lookout is our our give the gift to seaside holiday campaign. So, what's important to note about this is this is both the ad spend and the development, creative development of making all the ads and stuff together. Most of it is the ad spend though. Q4 Travel Oregon banners. That's um those are animated banners that went to the website. Northwest Travel and Life is this guy right here. This is out right now. Might have seen this on the on the shelf. Um this is uh November, December. We have the back cover and then just by happen stance we also inside there's a feature that they did this issue called making memories multi-generational vacations and the first uh place is us seaside. So it's seaside and then it's Missoula Montana and there's one more Spokane. So

yeah, uh Worldmark parking garage. This is both the dues and the power costs. Email marketing automation and leads processing um for agency tourism marketing. This also includes some developmental costs for updating our email templates to the new website aesthetics. Uh Goat is paid search work. Now they're not doing web development for us at this time. They're doing paid search. Uh KPTB is our Fox Weather Cam and banners. Worthy marketing is the November work for Atoria, Seaside, Cam Beach, Clatsup County. IHeart is our Portland radio spots. And then there's a whole bunch of credit card costs here. I have a a conference registration for the Oregon Destination Association conference in January. Cloudways, Adobe Creative Cloud, Chachi BT is all what office stuff. Power Play cards were for a radio prize that Ken put together. Uh restaurant certificate was also for a radio prize that Ken put together. Adobe Creative Cloud, it's for the front desk computers. They share lists. And then uh Travel and Meeting, that's logging for the OPA conference, which was in Reed Sport this year. That was kind. And then we bought some uh props for our give the gift to seaside photo photo shoot. We bought some candies for a big old basket.

$2 to buy um the big lollipops, but some like Girl Scout troop cleaned them out. So I bought I bought like Happy or something and then I went over to other place and bought what I needed for the show. Um G Suite is uh is just office stuff for our whole office digital ocean. Everything on the statement of expenditures is fine. It's all track and so there was there's no coin.

Yeah. You know the the some of it is it doesn't show up here until city council approved voted on it. So I only put in what when I get reports and they haven't been meeting. It's not like dirt week that contract hit. We're still doing it. I have Yeah. No, it's still going on. And I have much more I have like a whole this whole parallel budget to what the city's coffers are. So, I can see we're regular getting these invoices still going. But these are just I launched the holiday campaign. Good. It's was super successful. Oh, great.

Yeah. So we'll we'll talk about I don't have all the details of it but just looking at the web traffic alone and the people that have mentioned it is it's good and it was fairly inexpensive. I like the feel of it for Yeah. So um any questions on financial stuff? Staff update. Staff update. Um well P's out of town. Greg is keeping an office open, but uh we are hiring for our parttime. Did you lose someone?

Our part-timer got a full-time job with the state, child welfare work, like really important work. So, she'll be great for her. She'll be perfect for it, but her last day will be the 27th. So, we got to hire a parttimer. Um that deadline will be December 22nd. Um but traffic in the building has been slow. It's been really slow last, you know, few weeks. I think I would say the majority of the honest to god tourism traffic that we've been getting has been the chambers past. So yeah, great. So I don't really have any more stat updates. Okay, monthly stats.

The traffic was down 7% year-over-year. Um that's on the low end of normal for postcoid. It'd be extremely low precoid as far as the in the office foot traffic year to date is still about even growth of 0.1%. Phone volume was down tiny bit this month. I got 52 calls. Lead volume was up 45%. Total distribution was down just a little bit, 6%. But um so we're sitting at 85,000 guides out the door as of the end of November. However, some of the guides distribution stuff when you start thinking about regional distribution, it's just a kind of a crapshoot of when they come pick up the pallet. So they picked up the pallet this year on December like 2nd. So next month there'll be a huge outlay um you know going out there and that'll be in that'll be in play until we get the new guides. But a decent year for guys as far as you know about on par last year the web sessions and web users huge growth here 98% growth in web users 73% growth and sessions that is all our traffic or our our give the give the gift to side campaign traffic email signups uh up 176% I think we had a radio program a radio prize that gave us a bunch of email signups Why we got a bump there? Organic requests were up, views per active user were up, engagement time way down, but again we've seen that change not only one to the new website. Um has engagement time has been down compared to what it was before. Um but also we have campaign traffic. Campaign traffic tends to be a lot of volume. So I said [clears throat]

loging stats for October are positive for our county. 2.8% growth in the first month the fourth quarter. So we'll see if that continues. But I haven't there were no changes according to finance on the Q1 tax. I was still looking at just a modest growth over last year about even on the hotel side. report. You can see that graph there. That's our website traffic. Yes, I guess the seaside campaign got website traffic well over normal for all of November, sometimes by as much as 255%. We know the campaign was doing the heavy lifting because organic search traffic was down almost 11% over the same time period. seasonal campaign wrapped on December 7th with no sign of creative fatigue and a healthy delivery across fall regional adsets. Our website traffic has gone down to about 12% over normal now. So it it had a halo effect where for a couple weeks we we stayed elevated and slowly kind of modulating now, but we're still up. Um, next month we'll should get a full report of all the campaign results from all the different ad sets we did in all the different regional uh, locations and then going forward we'll look for corresponding signals and winter visitation numbers and betats hopefully. Another campaign that recently came to close was a fall broadcast flips on Cairo and King in Seattle and KGW in Portland. KGW delivered almost a million impressions with 135 commercials from October 16th through November 30th airing. Cairo also delivered almost a million impressions but with far less commercials just with that market more expensive. They contracted 48. They delivered 54. Ran on high-profile programs like Survivor, Amazing Race, NFL pack 12

games. King delivered almost 700,000 impressions across 40 commercials which ran during programs like NFL, NBA, NHL, and Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. Uh the King ads set underd delivered a little bit and so they're running um the next week they're going to be running more ads to try to get us up to where they thought that our impressions did. Speaking of videos, the Oregon's North Coast Partnership with Seaside A Story Canon Beach in Clatford County just finished a fun new 30-second commercial and a 15-second version to drive awareness of the North Coast Beer Trail, which is a long-standing program for us. Um, and it's going to be targeted to nearby craft brewing enthusiasts and a bunch of other sort of demographics. The new commercial in a 15-second version will soon begin running over the top from Salem to Portland to Olympia along the I5 corridor. So, it be streaming uh to people but in a targeted manner. And I have the video here. I can play here at the screen. You're on stream glasses.

We had a great shot of Pore with a cup. You had to pull at the last second because on a on bigger screens, you could clearly read the cup and the and the cup had faded a little bit. So instead of saying Sissu beer, it said Sissu beef. Yeah. [laughter] And it just bothered me every time I saw it. I was like, "No, we got to we got to find another shop for them. I'm sorry." It was a good shot, but it just say leave it to you to notice something like that.

Yeah, I kept noticing it. The first time it was kind of funny and then I was like that. So, upcoming December 18th, history and hops. December 25th, the welcome center will be closed for Christmas Day. January 1st will be closed for New Year's Day. January 6th is uh the when we send uh the the printer should [laughter] production of the 2026 guide and then we'll get the color proofs to review on the 7th and 8th which means I'll go to Portland to review those on site. 2026 uh guides are scheduled to ship January 21st 22nd. They tend to arrive a little a few days after their target date. We tend to get bad weather or something around then. Maybe we got all our bad weather out of the way. Who knows?

I don't think we're done for that. And [clears throat] then uh the ODA uh Oregon Destination Association conference is in Tiger this year, January 27th, 28th. I'm going to be on a panel actually with Lookout talking about brand steward stewardship. You already have the cover. I do. I'll try to guide

the hard stuff. Okay. It might not be that hard honestly because we have some limiting factors. So, [clears throat] for the event grants, we've received since the last time we met, Oregon Coast Regional Bridge Tournament, uh they're asking for $3,000. Oregon Coast Classic Tsunami Skipper is asking for 4,500. Uh, and then what is the North Coast Land Conservancy I think is asking for this 2,500 for this indigenous gathering in spring. Jazz Oh, I didn't I didn't see that. Okay.

The Jazz and Blues Festival uh or Jazz and Blues uh sent in an online application um but did not send in any of the supporting documents. And then we got a holiday afternoon that was the same. It was a submission but no supporting documents and that event's already happened. Yeah. So we don't have to worry about that one. And then we only have 4,750. So, you know, you're going to have to make some decisions about what you want to fund here. And um whether that's all into one thing or do a couple things or partial, that's up to you. Yes.

So, the indigenous gathering I must have missed that did you uh when I was looking at the stuff um I don't know how to easily is that show that at the the park out there they want to do it at the um I don't know riet road out there the circle is that circle out Yeah. Yeah. Where's this thing that they have? They have a big barn out there and a bunch of land. The land conservy's asking Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I missed that one. I don't know. I read all the other ones. So, yeah.

So, the bridge tournament happens annually anyway. It has for years, right? And they're just looking for more profit. Yes. Yep. It's about um providing amenities to the people that are there to hope that they would continue to come. Yeah. or enrich their experience while they're here. Basically, I wasn't too I wasn't too excited. I would rather I would rather do a host coins program for them. Give them five bucks a piece to go spend locally. And I mean, I would rather I would rather spend that money. Our our that's one of our goals is to expand that program for events like theirs that

um anyway, but I don't know about the I don't know about that particular gift. You also think it's problematic as a precedent to start giving conferences that are coming anyway money through this because I mean it's just going to be the end of the program and they've been coming since 72. They've been coming for a while and since convention center was built. That's what they said, right? They've been it's going on since 1948. But they've been coming to Seaside since the convention center was built. That's what I read.

Yeah. and talked to Tina about it and she said they're you know her group and everything and but um this um you know and I said you know does the convention center in a sense like underrite these events already because they use bed tax to operate and they can offer cheaper you know rental fees and stuff and she said sort of it is true they lease it for a little bit less but it's not quite the same as us getting Well, and because Oregon Fine Foods has a contract of their own, it it doesn't offer the food service that doesn't affect them at all. Food service, but

I mean, so Oregon Coast Classic, I mean, is this Sorry, I know I should know this, but it is a new event. No, no, it was here and then after co it moved out and it stays. It's it's it brings several jump rope teams from all across the Northwest to seaside Florida. I believe it's at the end of April after all spring breaks over April 24, 26, something like that. They've received funding from TAC before they not when they were in Atoria. They haven't applied for a couple years. Yes. It's been a few years since they I think after co they moved it to Atoria. story is gym was less expensive,

right? Um, so they have to rent the gym here

and I'm just going what I read on the the thing. Um, but they want to get it back to Seaside. Imagine the people that travel for the event would rather be in Seaside than Atoria. There's a lot more to do when you're not doing the competition. And it was successful that when we funded it the last time, it did bring quite a few panels up here. When we did fund it the last time, plus they give us a lot I mean they give us a lot of publicity without even having to work at it because they perform in the parades in Portland and and they see that they see, you know, and they're, you know, so they represent us in quite a few different areas, too. They Yeah, they've performed in Blazer half times. They finally phrase, they've performed overseas, they personally have no problem granting that ass. So the other ones I just feel like I feel like funding the bridge tournament is saying something that we shouldn't. I just feel like and it's not because they don't only come for the regional, they come for another one, too. So what stops the other group from asking us? Yeah. And that's huge. Or is this one the big one?

This is the big one. And then they have another one in [clears throat] the same year. Yeah. So what stops them from the other group asking and I think if you all feel that way, it's probably advisable that we change the grant guidelines so that there's something in there about this. I don't know how we would word it. That would take some discussion. But well, I mean, if that were the case, like the Seaside Jazz and Blues asked for money when they were still going to, right? I mean, so and you know, that was establishing a new event and stuff like that. So, I mean, there is some difference, wasn't it? It was a new event. I thought it was a renewed event. No, it totally was different. It's totally different than the Dixie Land.

Totally different. Yeah. So shares a similar name but a different thing. Different types of Do we know um do you remember offh hand people they anticipated for heads and beds for the skippers?

I don't and unfortunately because of the power outage I didn't have the opportunity to print off reference material for this stuff. Um I'm thinking it said 20 [clears throat] 20 people per team not conting their family and there were several teams. So probably 100 at least 100 participants. So that'd be maybe you know could be 800 [clears throat] to a,000 people. They probably have one room per family though likely. So like 100 hotel rooms probably.

It's it's like I said it's after after spring break. It's in that l between spring break and Memorial Day which is a good time. And do you remember when the indigenous gathering I remember it's in the spring but I'm pulling it up right now here so I can tell it is a May 1st to the third. Okay. So those are consecutive weekends. those two events.

So, those two events are asking for seven and we got 4750. I propose we grant $1,000 to Indigenous Gathering and the remainder to uh the Oregon Coast Classic 3750. I think that's that's Yeah, Solomon could have done better. [laughter] Well, that's splitting the baby in half. Yeah. [laughter]

All second now. Okay. All's in favor. I I Thank you. CAS Jazz and Blues did get their um follow-up report into us from the last one. So, they will be eligible to apply next year. But yeah, on art stuff, we got 24,800 in total asks

and we have 25,000. So, it's not as quite as tricky. You know, one thing I will say that I really like about these applications is that we have things that are very solid and easy to accomplish all the way to like, oh, we can there's a lot there's a big open process where the planning commission will probably have to get involved and I don't know exactly what it'll turn into, but the track program is already we have agreement with chamber, the city does.

It's literally just giving them the funding to fix it to finish, which is great. It's one of it's it it can show immediate results. The Gilbert building mural, the big question mark hanging over that one is uh Tesla is trying to sell the building and so it may go away with the next building. It's possible. That's the way I interpreted it. Well, you could put a ghost clause and we could require a finer ghost clause or whatever. And the other thing is I think that they proposed putting it on panels like the one on the Ace Hardware so that if it had to be moved it could be preserved.

Okay. The alley beautifification is if you read it it's very um inspirational like we can do this and that that none of us have expertise in it. Carrie, I don't think she does. I don't I didn't have any to give her other than, hey, there's this one in Atoria that they they did. And but the key is that this is a this is a problem point for the city in general. We could liven it up. We could at the same time possibly u better publicize the public parking and we could at the same time use some of the this tourism funding to um put uh coding on the walls that could make graffiti removal easier.

So my my cons, you know, and maybe they're not legitimate. My concern was attracting people to an area where there's a lot of drug activity. Now, cleaning it up may move the drug activity, and I understand that, but that's just something that, you know, more eyes in the area might help. They'll they'll probably go somewhere else. But, um, you know, I like the idea cleaning that up if people are really going back there. Guess if who's who's to say it'll stay clean? That's why I I don't know that it's in the grant application, but when I read that and think about it, I think tying in

wayfinding to the parking and stuff like that might be a good idea to try to get more body get more traffic there somewhere like that incentive to keep it clean.

Nobody knows that there. But I think once you have people knowing it's there and making that not have to walk all the way around, it will be more traffic which would be less likely for the other criminal intent that would that is there now because nobody wants it to be people in their face seeing it. So, I think it could reduce that and help for where we, you know, we pay for well tax pays for this parking. Yeah. Every time I go there, I'm I'm scared to get out of my car, you know. I'm like, it looks terrible. So, and this You think this will help?

Yeah. Because it'll I think it'll dissuade people being in there, you know, people, you know, soon. And I feel like they will it'll be less just like where I have when I have when I change my lighting down below less people because now everybody now you see everything. And that's the thing. Most of these people don't want to be seen with whatever they're doing. I'm way more intimidated in the back alley and in the garage itself than I am in that little alley. Like I'm not I've never encountered anybody in there myself. Um, but I feel like if you start making more through there,

yeah, it will it will it'll aid in the rest of that for sure. I think to be fair, I think Carrie does include the back alley. Oh, really? Yeah, cuz some of her pictures are of the alley cuz when we walk and took the pictures together. Wow. I think it's less conducive to like putting a murals and stuff there, but it's still, you know, it could be something done with it. So, I saw that um Demar had sent a letter, but I didn't see one from Solomon. That's his building, too, right? Yeah. So, yeah, there is ownership there. Yeah.

I actually tried to get a hold of him because I was we were planning on working on the alley also. Um and I never heard back from him. When K's discussed it with me in person, she's mentioned him a few times as be okay with it. But obviously for moving forward, they would need right. We would need to know and I [clears throat] know that he has that he has walked it with me and shown that he would like to see that happen where he's parked every morning. So, well, me too. [laughter] So, are they and Windham's the other property owner back there? So, I mean, we just have to get some kind of authorization from the other. That's kind of what I mean. Like

the track stuff is plug and play. This other stuff has to be slow. There's also strong feelings from the police, Spencer, and stuff about that back alley because, you know, SCDA is constantly saying, "We got all these problems here. Please go follow up on it." There's they don't quite see eye to eye, right? That stuff. And this You don't think there's a problem? there's a problem. I think they disagree about what the right but who should hand take care of it. Oh, you know whether it's private property.

I don't exactly know where it where the disconnect is. But I will say that this grant doesn't [snorts] doesn't pre this grant doesn't remove any of that red tape. The Harry if she gets this money will have to navigate getting approval from the city all that stuff before before the money is distributed. Oh. Oh. to spend the money. Yeah. Consent actually spend it because they have to be turning everything out. So way but at least you when you have the money then suddenly and it's tourism money you know sometimes that can help knock doors down.

Carrie wrote this letter on behalf of Demarcom. Sure. Where's the STDA? Because I don't think SDA's voted on this project.

Thought I thought she wrote SDJ. Maybe she was planning on having us vote on it today, but the power was out and our meeting got cancelled. And she did provide a letter, I think, saying on behalf of the board, on behalf of the SDA or to Markham. Yes.

I think the alleyway would be worth it. I do. I think that there are other kind of Insta famous uh alleyways around and I think that this could be one of them too with the right energy and color to it. I think it could be a draw, not a detractor, right? And I think you people would use it more and maybe even use parking more because yeah, you're going there. So yeah, if people could learn that there's parking, that would be great. Yeah, because we're already Well, yeah. And right now I think a lot of the people that park in it are are wind of the place even that they can go up and park higher. Yeah. Even if that because the last few times I've been that far it's just been empty. No one's in it.

Yeah. No one's using it. Of course there's no either but it's an SDK. It's an application and there's a lot of support from our team. There's a lot more work to be done on that. Yes. But I feel like that. So, and and to be just totally transparent, I feel like the 10,000 is just a like here's an estimate. I don't I mean, if you felt strongly about it, like there's you didn't want to put up all that money right away or, you know, split it between years or I don't think that's a that's the cost. That was just pain.

I actually think the reverse I think that it's going to take a lot more. And the $10,000 it is a shot in the dark, but I think it's a wall. Yeah, it's going to cost Yeah. Yes. They're going have to come more money from somewhere else, too. Yeah. Um, can I Are we okay with putting this in based on our discussion for the tribe? Oh, yeah. Is that Yeah. Yeah, I'm good. Thank you. Again, I feel like that's Can they ask for an additional 10 if they wanted to not 10 this year and 10 next? Yeah. I mean we're this is our program for the same. Yeah.

There's nothing in the guidelines that say you can't do that. I mean that's a good start. You would have I'm sure you'll want to come back to keep the the garbage can program going only if they had more cans because this will take care of all of them. Unless somebody sto There's always going to be damage. [laughter] Yeah. There's always going to be damage. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.

28 by now. Yeah. I'm trying to cover my back room. Yeah. [laughter] Okay. Using to move the seals. So, what about the Gilbert building? Uh I I'm hesitant to uh to award anything unless there's a ghost clause uh for the property even with the idea of putting up panels that can be moved that then we have to then we have to and so what if they don't get

reinstalled. So I mean that's a fair chunk of money spot to it's a fair chunk of money. So, I mean, I I would think that if there was a ghost clause, you know, a five-year ghost clause, that would be reasonable. Um, but aside from that, I'd say you find a permanent spot. But you don't know if the building's going to sell the next five years. True. But, but then we've spent the money and and if it lasts 5 years, great. It doesn't matter whether it's this person or the next person, but at least at least we've gotten 5 years out of the $8,000. Yeah. 5 years of beautifification.

I mean, it could be longer. We could still say yes, we need a 5-year ghost clause for it to be where it is and put it on removable panels. I mean, we could do both, but I just don't know. Without a ghost clause saying, "Yes, we'll give you 8 grand and if you have to move it, then we'll just wait for you to move it." Um, I don't know. Is that really Is that the technical term for a ghost clause? A ghost clause. Yes. Okay. I mean, I based on my conversations with them, I think they would be fine with that. The question will be whether Taz limo will be interested and if she's not then then they would find they'd probably go seek other spots.

Yeah. I I think you know the ghost clause is when you go to sell a property. I mean somebody can have a ghost clause on their that's a 100redyear ghost clause. So when you go to sell and you have to have to disclose all of that. It's like oh hey wait there's ghost clause. So there's hesitation if you're a buyer of a property if there's any ghost clause on there being tied into something. It's like having a historical But again, you don't want to give somebody 8 grand and then then 6 months from now they're painting over it. Yeah. Cuz then what does that do for us? Yep. We're moving and moving it and getting it putting it down below that building. Found a bunch of stuff in below that building. I've been in that bottom of that building.

Are any of you friend friendly with the the person who owns the Candyman building? Candyman. That is a huge white wall. Yeah, but I know he's attempted sale a few times. The same guy. Uhuh. [laughter] I think he Are you friendly with him? It's just not We're all recording. We'll leave that. So, I mean, there there are panels that are on the on the public parking garage that every bay has panels. We could do the first row of panels and it could be an attractive for people to then see that there's public parking there. Um I just don't know about that specific spot.

What about the um I remember a long time ago when I first got here before I started getting busy with real things. I was really interested in putting a vertical garden sign on the carousel mall. Yeah. And at that time it was Susan but she was interested in having it there. I mean, what about having a mural there with the about the water? I think they're trying to tie it into the mechanicum somehow. And even though that building's on the mechanicum, it's on the wrong side of the building. So, you know, a better place would be on the Riverside place.

In fact, there is a spot as you're walking up, if you look on the second floor, there'd be a spot that'd be like a billboard. It have windows in it, so it would limit what you could do. Exactly. But it's kind of I mean it's I've always thought that'd be an interesting place but you still have the same problem with the seller and everything. And is the do they own the Torah building too? You know they don't there's almost an identical on that building identical size. In our discussions they did explaining this and look and finding other locations if this one doesn't work out. So, but they also they didn't have a a specific plan as to what that would look like. Mural

like what the mural would look like. No, just a theme. Just thematics what they wanted it to be. Yeah. It'll be nice in a few years when we've had a lot of more experience with using the do art because it right now it's like I don't know exactly what this costs or what the process is, you know? So, we're gonna be learning. I mean, in in your grant application, you also said shovel ready. Yeah. And and those neither one of those are shovel ready at the moment. Shovel ready means within the fiscal year. Oh. So, if you can get it together by June. Yeah.

I see. So, I guess I would uh I'm not ready to make a motion for the Gilbert building, but I would make a motion to approve the $10,000 for the alley beautifification. So, is this something we need to decide on today? No,

this isn't there. We're not up against a deadline for distributing money. No, because the way that we used to do our grant, it was done, you know, deadline was May and that was with the aim of getting the check out the door July, early July, which is the earliest you can get it out in the correct fiscal year for things like July 4th and all the events that it would do in the fall. But that's not how how we did it. So, there's just a deadline when they have to get the application yet. Yeah. Not on when we decide. Okay. In fact, that's why we that's why once we moved into the fiscal year, we just kept it open. Okay. Right. So, no, there's no reason we have to. But the deadline to get the application in has is over. We can't get any more applications, right?

But you can consider this later. We can consider Yeah, I' I'd say get back to them and ask those answer those questions about, you know, if we can leave it there. Okay. Or the Gilbert building. Correct. Right. The other two we are in agreement that we should fund those. I think so. Yeah. I mean, I guess we could um agree to fund it with stipulations. I'm kind of with Keith on waiting for that one. I feel like there's a lot more to that. Well, there's still some

some conditions on the the alleyway, too, but I mean, you got to get something from the owners to make sure it's okay. Yeah. But I feel like with track and the alley beautifification, we could go forward with those. And because most of those things, especially the alley beautifification, those are things they're not going to start without those other. Those are going to be very slow. Oh. Anyway, but the Gilbert, I think we can wait. Once they find an artist and start doing that kind of stuff, that could move fairly quickly if they have a location. If they have a location, but we're stipulating that that location isn't good enough without a coast spring. I don't know. sound.

I I don't know if that's a guilt, but I feel that way because I've been in that Gilbert building and I found lots of things that started on that building and then ended up in the basement rotting away. So, I hate to see that happen with this 8,000. Those panels end up down there and then it gets flooded and those get ruined uh for next year. Is there any way, well, I guess it doesn't really matter, but is there any way of of um uh encouraging beautifification projects uh along the 101 corridor?

Nothing that would preclude that from program as it's written, right? Except for you have to get Yeah. Yeah. All that stuff. I feel like someone could have applied, but they're here. Yeah. I'm hoping that some of the press and the response we get from what happens with this will help with future applications because this was just complete shot in the dark. We got no applications really until yours came. Yeah. I feel like track has given us that running with that because people see them and they're like, "Oh, and how did this happen?" And then, "Oh, wait. There's a grant gave us the push.

We do this for the events and the arts. I might have to wait a little bit now because of the Gilbert one. Um but we'll do a press release and then in the meantime, our our public relations firm is really excited about pitching the track um kind of midstream reset where they're going to be accepting more artwork for the second round. And then we have pictures first round. So it should be nice. So you looking for motions to approve these two? Yes, please. So I move that we as well. Right. We approve the 6,800 for track and then 10,000 for alley beautifification. I will second that. All those in favor? I

I. Now the other one you just want to give back to them and tell our concerns and then we can hopefully vote on it at the next meeting. Yeah. Yeah. And so that uh the remaining funds will not roll over. You mean the um $200 that's not counted for there? Uh well or or $8,200, right?

If you don't award it, it'll go into our advertising for this year. Yeah. Doesn't roll over. But the budget, well, the city council has, they think, intends for this to be ongoing program. So, we'll have 25,000 next fiscal as well. Uh, if you end up spending close to it, is it possible to get them to raise that uh amount in the future? Yeah, I think I think it could be. We'd have to 25,200 next year. I mean, especially because we're not going to even hit the limit this year. I think like give it a few years.

I think I forgot a trash can $200 each. [laughter] Yeah. 68. Why didn't you do seven? There was strong calculations. I know. I know. Thank you very much. tax, purpose, powers, and duties. I believe Josh sub. Did I? I don't think I did. I'm sorry. I don't Well, S got it. Yeah, but that was from me directly. Did you send Who else missed that meeting? Marcy, did you send it to Marcy? Well, and I didn't send it to Marcy.

Has she officially resigned or is she still on the committee? No, she's still on the committee. Okay. She sent an email a little bit ago saying she couldn't make she swapped because of what's going on, but she's she according to the ordinance she serves until placement gets appointed. Fortunately, she's missed the last two. So, it seems like she's shown if the city council appoints David or anyone else who applies. Oh, David applied. He applied and he was he's going to be interviewed. who's appointed to and then so anyone else can still apply and then whoever they appoint will take her place. Okay. And city council interview. So

So um however, let me just put something out there. I feel like we were all on the same page that this was good, but you wanted Sadi's approval, correct? Which she is getting. But she wasn't here and that was the reason, right? So maybe we can just vote on it for now. I'm good with that. Well, we got to see if she approved. No, I did. I [laughter] I sent messages back saying I sent No, I sent a message to Ruth and told Josh in person that it was this is everything we talked about. It was that same. The corrections remain. I have it. I have one copy of it if you want to read it.

But it's exactly what we have. a motion to adopt the uh new or the recommendations for the foreign tax purpose powers and duties. I'll second. All those in favor? I would be nice to that off. Okay. WGW weather cam. So, the update is the um station engineers went down.

Okay. They checked out the views and sent uh examples to the newsroom. The newsroom for KGW loved the views. Thought that was great. Um and everything looks great. They're just waiting on an IP address from the hotel. So, it's moving along. And now the hotel's responsible for putting that in or if they can't is that something fun? It's it's a possibility based on what went down with Fox that if they have to do electrical work or something to make it, but none of that none of those issues have been raised at this point. It sounds like they're waiting on an IP address. They already have a camera, so it's possible that they're already

you have to have a powerful enough server, too. So, yeah. So, TVD. Yeah. Right now. So, they they like the other view. They like the view. The other view. Yeah, that's that's what I was excited about. Something different. Sounds like they're also excited about that. And the hotel board is also excited about that. I suck at everybody's excited. It's probably good now. Yeah, it looks it's looking pro.

No, I'm excited about Let me show you guys the guide here. This is pretty much done now, but it's going to there. So, this is this is our cover, Satie. We're doing a downtown cover.

Downtown. Now, I'm gonna see if I can actually erase that first picture so that this will line up. Not on my computer, so I can't erase it. Okay. So that kind of messes things up a little bit but because this won't line up just right but so intro um in case we've updated our 72 hours on seaside it's a spread so this is the right hand page this is the lefth hand page

yeah rusty sand dollar [laughter] took that photo okay never Yeah, it's artistic. Yeah. Um, and Tina took this photo then here. Tina's actually given us some great photos of time. Seaside and cooler seasons, packing essentials. In the interest of space, we went right into the cooler seasons. We decided, you know, so much about seaside just lends itself naturally to summer shots and summer feelings. So, we wanted we explicitly went at the cooler season. So that could be Fourth of July, too, cuz everybody cooler to the beach. Yeah, right. Or because we're so cool all the time.

Yeah, that's it. Yeah, we got we had a decent ad ad here. Beachtown Basics. This is some of the new stuff. I'm telling you, putting anything in print is insane. We had I think three rounds of updates on this and every time something changed or somebody went away or something. I've just I'm becoming more just okay with like this is a snapshot of what it was when we when we had it, you know.

Um we got this which is great. So how to seaside, we got Kelly from coin go razor clam. She gave us this picture and she gave us this quote. We have the mayor gave us a quote about walking the prom. the Oregonian I hate to say that the mayor uh the Oregonian outdoors reporter let us use a article that he did on seaside fascination and then Nikki talked about walking her exercising her dolphin the beach and how much she likes that so is that the other location you're thinking about for the mural along that right there no it's exactly on the opposite side from that from that middle bay

there's there's another Yeah, this here is a spread. Sorry, this is what I mean. If I could delete that first page, you could see it as a spread, but it's one big picture across the whole Okay. Okay. Yeah, it looks it looks really cool. Got beach common. Let's see. We got to the beach. We're trying to Where is it here? Oh, you got a sh getting air. That's good.

Yeah, I know. Um, oh, we're every year I feel like we try to emphasize more to leave your bags on the prom because we always have people that bring their trash into the welcome center and it's like, oh, really? Yeah. Staff are I just want to prove that staff are starting to get a little salty about it.

We tell them just take a picture and leave it on the prom. So anyway, we've we've underlined it this year. Yeah, we got this great shot from the Ride the Dirt Wave events. This was picture was taken by Jennifer Anderson, our part-timer that we just um accessible adventure. This is our accessibility stuff. We put a QR code that will take you to our accessibility page that includes build awards stuff just to make it easier to get there because it's kind of a a buildy URL we're putting in here. So, we just thought we would make it easy for folks to get there. On the beach rules, um we moved fireworks to the top since that's a topic of conversation. Um we um also added pallets in here um you know, so that you can't bring pallets out on the beach. And then some info about drones. Although drone stuff is still a little wishy-washy, but at least we told people where you can

they're still be still deciding. Yeah, you should be aware. Um, these kids are all really old now. [laughter] They are. Yeah, they are. This is David's page, which is great. He used to advertise in the guy. Now look, this has got this beautiful bread. Good stuff. Drink. Uh, this is Iggy's This is fan health seafood food and drink guide and specialty drinks. This is just all the different kinds of food.

Everything today except for the reindeer poop. I've had a bar today as well. [laughter] Um, we tried we tried to get a new photo for the Paris Mall this year. I mean, this has been going on for as long as I've been hearing before, but no go on that this year. So, hopefully they just really like this one. I guess traveling is [clears throat] Pacific heirloom seaside mall advertise again North Coast and you'll be happy to see we change it to Canaries Keith.

Thank you. So I used to say canons can makes a little more sense. Um, Maritime Museum shrunk their ad a little bit. Interesting. This Onward Adventures has nice big. So does the museum. Really nice looking quest. Is there a patch next year?

Okay. Yeah, it's a little It's backwards. I That's what I thought, too. But we we have a a a replica of it in the [clears throat] office and it actually is more correct than but I mean in the background doesn't look like that from the other side. I think Tad would be more like Tamad is Yeah, that's fine. It's fine. It's fine.

Here's a directory. I mean, honest honest to God, I don't know. Next year, I might think about just I mean, doing more editorial instead of having a directory. And we've always had a directory, but seriously, like the second we print this, it's out of date. I mean, from the first draft to the last draft. We had hundreds of phone numbers changing, people's website changed, or they went on Facebook or they went off Facebook, went to Instagram, went to dropped Instagram, got a website. I mean, so many changes. I don't know how useful that is in a smartphone era, but I don't know. It's a question for us to tackle next year.

So, under the business, you just send them to their website and this Well, the websites change all the time. I mean, I don't know. I mean, a link to their website. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I I think that the Oh, I don't know age of what do you do? You know the average age of people who are using skew is older. I don't know the average age but [clears throat] definitely vis older. That's a matter of perspective. What's older? Yeah. Well, [laughter] the other thing is for it's also a value for advertisers get a blurb whereas other people don't. If we don't do that, I mean, that causes problems.

So, how well But why don't they all have blurs because any if you advertise, you get a blurb. Okay, I get it. If you don't advertise, you just get your contacts. Yeah. Okay. Um, I would say it's useful. If it sways more towards the older crowd, I would say that it is useful. Even if the majority, even if some of the information is out of date, if just the name was there and that's about all you can count on is even the phone numbers change. It's surprising. You wouldn't think it would, but it really does. Yeah,

these guys are all so old there. [laughter] Stay. Any idea when the salt line's going to reopen? Yeah, it's looking like probably by March 15. Okay. So, we'll have a couple months down. Almost a couple. And and again, I think they're doing a pretty good job people who are calling and saying we're just in a transition here. The whole thing hopefully um Chris Weather Contingent. Yeah. So, we uh based on feedback from this group, we were able to put the public art campaign in here.

Nice. Um, so that this was a I think a Louis and Clark little feature and we so we swapped it out for some public art and then got the tide tables and guides and another great

guy. Same same ads on the back. Nice. Okay. That could be a third week of January. And then the last thing is just budget requests. Wanted you guys to be aware because Zach sent out these budget requests four weeks ago since our last meeting, but few weeks ago. Um, so the way they do this now is this is how we got the arts grant. We make a formal request to Zach and Spencer and Joan I guess and then if they approve it then it goes to the budget committee and if the budget committee approves it then hey city council approves it gets it becomes a reality. So now is our chance to submit budget requests for next year next fiscal year. So starting July. So, I want you to be thinking about that and if you want to submit something, unfortunately, the deadline for it is pretty quick. It's December 28th. So, the the the Spencer and Zach are clear that they want the committees to feel free to suggest stuff to be um in the budget as long as you understand that it's a request. The visitors bureau and the convention center tend to do a little better with our requests because of it the bed tax money whereas other other departments have to fight for you know more limited uh pool of funds but it is a request and they're happy to see a request even if they don't approve it. It gives them something to know what's going on but the only way to do that is is through me submitting that request to this process. So, if you're thinking about something like for instance, you say you want more money in the arts program, I think we would do that. I don't know that I would advocate for that this year just because

we didn't even hit the the the [clears throat] budget limit this year, but maybe next year that would be something we want to do. But if anything else you're thinking about that's outside of our normal marketing budget, do that. is is do we want to try to make some kind of splash for the 250th birthday of our country? I'm not saying just on the 4th of July, but I don't know that's I think it's going to be a pretty significant year because of that, right? And also, you know, you could just make the splash because it's my 50th high school reunion. So yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, the the mayor

I don't know. I don't know what it just just just hit me that it's it's here. The mayor's raised that a few times, but the problem with seaside is there wasn't there was just Indians living here there and not any. So it's like with the prom centennial like yeah, let's make a book and all this cool stuff. But I don't know what to do with 250 years for seaside. Exactly. The beach was here then. Look a lot different. I'm sure I'm sure the natives enjoyed swimming. Yeah, but I don't know. I don't know.

I don't I I don't exactly know what to do. But yeah, certainly we can advertise some of that offseason stuff, but I don't know that that would be a special. I mean, I could just allocate advertising funding to doing stuff like that. So, a couple of projects that come to mind uh which is the uh accessibility and beautifification surrounding the uh north and south signs because people walk up to them, get their selfies, but they're not very accessible. Uh anybody with any sort of mobility issues whatsoever cannot get up near the sign. So, and it's it's also uh just the landscaping around it is kind of an eyesore. So, it' be a nice field type.

I did I did ask about the the the cones and I suppose I don't know. I'll look into it. I haven't heard something. So, you're thinking on like maybe improving the parking lot and on on the the north side and have some kind of better walkway to the side. For sure. And then, you know, as it I don't know if you can kind of envision it, but it's kind of mounded up, but the mound is all funky and uneven and um so yeah, if you you walk up, you have to be like you have to tiptoe over some some rocks that are covered in in uh

Yeah. since when we did that, I I don't know. Um, yeah. I I don't know if we wanted to encourage people to do that, but they're doing it anyway, so we might as well make it safe for them because they're going to go there, right? Is there any reason why we don't want to encourage them to get their self, you know, walking along Highway 101, you know? Oh, yeah. But if we put I mean, we could put it back and have them come in from the west end. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe make a trail that goes back there. or well I don't know what you do on the other side of town though because that's kind of there's really not much of a parking lot there unless you use the relief pictures

but people still park there still take their pictures so if we can at least evaluate a potential fix or some way to make it safer something yeah um so anyway I think that that that'd be one project I also think that the sign signage at Chevron on. Yeah, I think that we could tackle that project this year. That would be nice. And like we had talked about many times before, putting up digital signs to list events that are happening. Uh I actually think that that would be really valuable in getting people to stay and not just drive through.

And where would those be at Chevron? Uh potentially. I mean, I I was thinking um I don't know about adapting signs to go above the seaside signs at the north and south end. Um that could be um I don't I don't know. Uh I would have to go and look at it specifically, but it would be nice to have them at both ends of town because Yeah, certainly we can look into it. I don't know how old dot Well, there's signs. I mean like we have our sign like there's a bunch of signs on 101 that weird they are strange about us sometimes those reader boards

the reader boards are supposed to be not not supposed to be allowed yet they're there. Yeah. Not supposed to have them to to distract drivers. Those mobile reader boards that that the city has you know whenever we put those out we're on a clock. You have like a few days you can have them. You got to take them now because of some load up. So, and you know, and now there's even the the sign that changes by by um the double bait. I don't know if there's any thing that that you read, ODOT has a problem with that. Yeah. Unless it's their sign. But I mean, that's a remarkably large sign right at the road edge, too.

The idea is people are going to be reading the sign, paying attention [clears throat] to traffic. That's their concern. Yeah. I think I mean yes there is traffic where those signs are located but there's far less traffic than if you're on 12th or if you're hitting 101 on 12th or I don't say yeah for sure yeah that wasn't a lot so so I bet yeah I I don't know where else you put I actually allocated a little bit of money to look at designs for the Chevron area this year.

We haven't got to it yet because our lookout people have been so busy with other stuff, but it's in the budgets. We could possibly have be moonlighting with some design ideas while we're asking for money to actually build. So, yeah, that's Chevro, not the lie. Yeah. And uh when I told uh some people about it in the city, I know Paul, the public works director, he was interested. He thought that'd be a great location to put some digital stuff in. I don't know again if they'll be allowed or what, but I don't I think it only hits the northbound traffic, too, though. So,

I mean, I almost think like a sign that could divert people off 101 down holiday might be Well, the Gilbert District folks wouldn't like that. So, I take that. Gilbert just is well the folks between Holiday and Broadway like that. So can't face all the people all the time. Um there used to be like a a sign of the old high school too. So I don't know if if the UD property want some kind of sign there. It would be a great location. It's on a straight stretch. Um,

it's going to become housing, right? The north end is I I don't know what's going to happen closer to where the school No, I think that that's the plan. The long is the whole the whole school torn down for housing. Anyway, if you have any any other thoughts a few days before December 28th and Christmas, let me know. So, I mean, is it But we you're I mean, you'd have to dollarize that between

I do have to, but we weren't given a ton of time. So, I feel like there's little leeway between when the request's made and some adjustments based on the reality of because this includes stuff that people can't possibly know. And why are we budgeting six months ahead of time? Oh, because they're deliberately trying to move it back so that there's a process and it's not like kind of last minute like other years, which not last year wasn't that way. I like the idea of making the the current welcome to seaside signs safer for people to get. I think that's I don't know how you could argue against that.

They're doing it anyway. Let's try and make it so potentially gets hurt. It's a great idea. It just like would look more buttoned up, professional. It look more like deliberate. Whereas people are doing it now. They're stopping and taking pictures, but it just doesn't look like it was part of the plan. Throw in, you know, add some gravel in that parking lot out there, too, because those Yeah. Yeah. those you can get centered in those holes. And then

it's the elk are going to start rolling in it. So, an elk wallow out there. Um, is there there isn't current signage about that uh indigenous land there, is there?

No, but they've talked about putting a canoe in a canoe sign in there. And they also have plans for two other projects on the site, like little interpretive signs, um, some sculptures and stuff like that. I reached out to them multiple times about our arts grant and um the week before it was due I heard that they were working on it but we never got an application. Just wondering if we could roll that into that plan, you know, the beautifification and then a [clears throat] a sign like the ones that are on the prom that gives a little history of it.

Well, that might be a good place for their [clears throat] mural also. I mean, I know that's Nijana, but it flows into the camp, right? So where would you put it on? Well, you'd have to build, you know, some kind of post infrastructure. How far back on that property is the cease is the cities where it where it becomes theirs? I feel like it's around the sign. I think might be a little further. I'm not sure.

What's further north, isn't it? I think I think the city's property might go a little further west actually that big open field there. That that might be something to look into. But the there beyond that open field I think that's where their their property is. I just don't know how far back in the field is is the city and the the rest is um well it there they have um I just have a picture of the trash it's there and that space they're driving by

yeah as we're installing but there's just like some laid down logs too so there might need to be a little bit more um uh definition of that space is like there's like a really it's basically it's become a dog it's a place for you know not a park right a dog [clears throat] potty spot

yeah but like they need to like whack the weeds down and stuff but if we put an actual border then it would we' know like we need to maintain the gravel within that within that border and that could be part of the um pathway over to the anyway But I don't even know how much you would allocate without that. I would ask I would ask the public works people. They probably have an idea. So there again, if if if we do that, that's probably something to maintain, too. Yes. Yes. That's the only other thing I thought push back. Sounds like one more thing we got to do kind of thing.

I think it's a good idea though, worth trying at the very least. I wonder if um more it could be part of Pam's perviews

just in case public works didn't want

and then it it would be nice to be able since we have so much sitting in the TAC fund and I don't know if we can but working on some 101 like I know I keep bringing it up but some 101 um beautifification project or something like that because I think personally that 101 remains the our biggest obstacle for keeping drive-thru business. A lot of people don't realize that a lot of that property that is looks like seaside that's not ideal isn't even in the city limits. Well, it's been incorporated. No, none of it has been.

Well, everything on the west side from Avenue U and north has been incorporated. So, all of those things that could potentially use some beautifification since we're on record. Um, you know, it is it was incorporated. So, it's still spottier than you think. Like even over where recently that car went over the on the went over the where the water over on Oh, the big church. Yeah. It's like it's city property all around that but not there

on that spot. It's just strange. Same with down at the by the uh paint rock beach. You know, there's an area there that's not safe. Seems strange. like I don't know if it is now but where um Angelinos is that's where it used to be not some of it has been incorporated but I don't know that I I don't know that all of it has it was property property agreements to bring in that was a project I was leading a few years back

yeah I worked at Robs and it was subject What would an example of like a beautifification project be? All those sorts of things when you're just thinking about it. I mean, [clears throat] probably a bigger project than TA T could tackle, but um uh trying to purchase properties to put in park on on the west side of 101. there. But I always thought that it would be make a really nice park. Yeah.

You can get rid of those old dilapidated structures and have have a place where people could pull out and go down to enjoy the river. Yeah. I've always thought that it' be nice. Well, once it there's not much room left to Yeah. The trouble is is now that they've changed the the um blood boundaries once you take a p I don't even know if you can modify the structures that are on anything else on you can't put anything you can't it would be a nice it would be a nice park and maybe a little place for people to fish I think I know because it's such a small sliver

yeah but I think that again um that was just my initial thoughts because they're making improvements on the north end. My eyes are always focused on the south end because they're already working on the north end at the moment. So, um but the south end again when we came to Seaside first um the first time we came, we drove straight through without turning off on Broadway. um and thought that it was a rundown coastal town and we continued on thinking it was just like the other rundown coastal towns that we had driven through and uh didn't realize what Seaside had to offer. And if that's what we're still putting off after the 12 and 1/2 years from me moving here to to now u we probably need to look at um and I had that Christy Wes had the exact same feeling and she moved here too. I've talked to others who've had the same reaction to it. The first time they drove through, they wanted to be driving because they didn't turn off and they didn't realize what a seaside had. So, I think that we're losing a lot of folks that are on their, you know, now that uh what was it? BBC uh listed the Oregon coast as one of the top destinations to visit, but we're not going to see those visitors turn off if we don't attract them in some way to stop. So

yeah, some of it is just there was development on the highway along the highway uncontrolled, you know, at some point. This is like Canon Beach, you have to turn off to go into town, you know what I mean? So it's just a highway, but we have gas stations, sorts of stuff, these structures that we did, to your point, I like the idea of a park there, but I don't need I don't know how to get there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's a longer term plan for sure, but maybe it's maybe it's that we parks committee that get them interested in that idea. Maybe maybe that we maybe that we fund um

buy properties never buy. No. Yeah. Well, I mean, maybe it's that we fund um uh beautifification garden spaces for the businesses along 101 and and have that be citymaintained by by Pam or whatever. Um but again just have have flower beds u essentially that we build along 101 in front of the places that we feel need it the most. Um I don't know.

Well there's already a city park right across from all of those houses. you know, car car park goes right down to the river there, but it's just not very accessible to the river. That could be improved. That's just that how to get people to turn left to go to there or Well, especially with the dental office there, right? I mean, but somebody bought that recently. Somebody bought the dental office recently. And has plans? I think they do. Yeah, I think you're right. I think they do.

Yeah, I can't remember either. We run into some procedural problems I think with parks too because there's a parks master plan parks communities and get them interested perhaps tourism money could help with that down the road but I don't know that we don't have parks department we have parks committee but there's no department in the city for parks everything goes into um public works Yeah, I guess they alone.

Yeah, but I mean there's a parks committee and they they they have a parks master plan and they work on the park the parks that they're working on now all came through that, you know. [clears throat] So well and the north end is becoming a priority which is fine but it's I guess that's why I would say if somebody else can have their right eyes on the south end because the north end already has a major plan and works. So again I don't know what that I don't can't be bringing all the ideas. [laughter] I mean, I I'll think about it, but I mean it, you know, I could I think

the South End will be fine. It's already cleaned itself up a lot from what it was 12 years ago. You think so? Oh, yeah. The South End of the new motel that's gone in the side of Lewis that used to be Yeah. It's fair. It's cleaning It's cleaning itself up just because we're running out of land to develop. So, it cleaner house. There are a couple of uh shutter fil businesses that I might like see cleaned up. But yeah. Yeah. And yeah.

Well, if you have any other strong ideas that come come to you, please do reach out. be happy to consider submitting. I will send the signs possibly the chevron sign if I can figure out how to sack archand not memorial yet [laughter] by the time it gets built it will be total for us to come back and see that if we have 11 million in the account we could probably fund ourselves an arch next here. I'm just saying if we made it a priority just like we did the seaside sign.

It's just where you got where at the first light posts. Yeah, you you have to have it back. Yeah, the but the first light posts are back far enough. It It was what 30 feet from the at road edge. That first light post is that far for sure. Well, I mean they have to be a lot bigger light posts, you know, to put in some I'm not against it, don't get me wrong. I see us pulling in and seeing that best. [laughter] He brought Wait, he brought it up to me. Actually, we could just use his initials and everybody pull in because they think it's an RV park. [laughter]

RV offering these straws to grasp that key. I mean in all in all uh seriousness s if we have 11 million in the bank we couldn't travel for 2026 we talked about that 30 years long before Russ was here so having that thing about the 11 million if that's what it is is that I think the city's hedging its bet that it'll be loosened up what the definition of tourism they're going to they'll be money rather infrastructure that tourists use for sure.

So I I don't think they'd be keen on spending it up. Well, I guess my argument to that would be when the law was written for those monies to be taken that any monies that were taken under that law should be used in the manner that the law was written for rather than the money that is moving forward. Yes. If you want to change things, the money that's you want to speak to

the money that's moving forward the money that's moving for you know gains moving forward from TLT and you make a new policy sure yes go ahead and use that however you're going to but that money that was already gained from it doesn't it doesn't make sense to say well now we we should spend in in my opinion I think that it should be earmarked for what it was earmarked for so I don't know I uh I would like to make a proposal that we tackle the arch this year and that we attempt to put it on the budget for 2027. You want me to put it in the budget? Yes. For Yeah. For 2026.

I saw you push your lips. I saw that. Well, I already have several. They're not going to approve all these. I think that definitely guarantees you don't get the accessibility and parking at the north and south signs. I think they're more likely to go for that. Hey, reach for the stars, man. The or what is it? What is the saying? Shoot for the moon and if you miss, you land amongst the stars. You know, art has been on the list for a long time. So, maybe it's time to visit. And I I have a couple of down days. If

I have a couple of down days, I can make some calls, get some quotes if you don't want to add it to your task list. [laughter] You got the 28th. [laughter] Serious. [clears throat] I can already tell by the look on your face. What you can do. You don't play poker, right? [laughter] Thank you. Also, I've only had nut bars today. That's it. [laughter] I think all of us in the day I was like I think all of us were like, "Wait, I'm just having reindeer poop [laughter]

cuz we almost all came to your house when you said two hours." She gave away molted milk balls in the ane wasn't actually eating. I didn't think so. I mean around here it's hard not

there's no public comment any committee comment

everybody have a good Christmas yes thank you for another good here. Next meeting. Yes. January 21st. Yeah. Oh, we're treasure. Yes. Next month. What? Nothing. Are you missing my next Are you missing the next week? Yeah, there three will definitely be here.

Don't you have something to do? after the power may be out in this