Tourism Advisory Committee - Regular Meeting

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Okay. Welcome to the Tourism Advisory Committee meeting. It's August 19th. We are starting right at 2 p.m. Well, welcome, everybody. We're going to do a roll call.

Keith Chandler.

Linda Reese. Tom Hammond. Kevin Hemann. Chris Spencer. Christy Poole. Ed Vest. Brady Poole.

And Sadie Mercer. And two other guests, Dave Mercer and Finn Mercer. Okay, review of the minutes. Has everybody had an opportunity to review the minutes? And if so, may I have a motion? I'll motion.

Second. Second by Keith. All in favor? Aye. All those. Thank you very much. Financial review.

Before we go to there, I will say about the minutes, you might notice that they're getting more matter-of-fact and less descriptive. And that's because we recorded everything. And so at this point, it's like dictating everything out. I think the city of meetings are kind of moving away from having to do that. Just it's strictly what were the votes, what was, you know, what was discussed. If you want details, you can watch videos. I think that's the way it should be. Yeah. Financial review, I have some financial reports from the city, but again, we're mostly looking at May stuff here. So that's just because this is what city council has voted on in their packets recently, which I've transcribed here for you. Can you just talk about which page you're on? Financial reports are I should put these numbers on there. So I can go through these or you could ask me questions about them if you'd like, whatever. Depends on how you like to do it. These bills are all paid already, so you know, it's kind of up to you.

What's Lookout?

Lookout is our creative agency that does development of our ads. Okay. So our print ads mostly, but lots of digital ads as well. So on this one, we have creative development February through June. Most of that work took place in February, March, April, around that time. It's closed off this year. So we missed the payment for the weather cam? We did! We missed the payment for the weather cam. Well, we missed it until we paid in May. I mean, it's a big difference. Quite a few months. I'm like, I'm surprised we didn't catch it earlier. Yeah, so we caught it in May, but... Yeah, I would have figured they would have.

Yeah.

It's weird. Billing is strange because especially large companies like broadcast companies and stuff, they'll send us a bill or they'll send it to city hall or they'll mail it. And it's just like around sometimes it gets lost. And I think part of this is the reason why. We build our own kind of parallel finance system to City Hall so that we can keep track of what we've allocated, what we expect, and what we're actually seeing, so that we can locate it.

That's what I said, it's such a long time, almost a year, that they realized they didn't get it. No, no, October to May, so it's about half a year.

Only 58 bucks for office coffee? That's a bargain.

I know.

We would have shot where you shot. Columbia River Coffee Roasters. buy them in bulk that's per cup yeah yeah that's about two months for the coffee it's good yeah delicious you got to do the work and we pour our own coffee but as if you have it any other way because i don't know i'm not aware what is this what is seaside condo association yeah You're truly on the tack now. Yes. Okay. So a long time ago when the Worldmark was built, there was an agreement reached where the city would assume the responsibility for power for the lower two levels, the public parking levels of the Worldmark parking garage, and the equivalent of two units for some reason that exists in a contract. Some of those were signed when I was, you know, 19, 20.

That's how we set the value. So we need the units, not their little hotel units or those down.

That's where they set the value.

That's how they set the value of what they gave us, basically.

So every month we pay up. It's assigned to us because a lot of the bed tax comes through our department. That's not so true anymore now that we have a tourism activity fund that Zach and Spencer set up. But when Mark was doing the budget, it always brought it through us. And so that's a historical just remnant where we still pay that through this budget.

We pay that every month. Every month. For all those partners.

The homeless get the units.

And it's like a lease of those parking spaces. So they can be revoked at some point.

I hope they do, honestly. It's an interesting thing and for a long time there was all these things where That number would fluctuate every year and we'd have no recourse or understanding why it would go up a thousand bucks or down a thousand bucks. We're just like, what is going on here? And it turned out when you go back and look at the document that was signed that there was all these committees that were supposed to be set up to discuss these things. And so it's only within the last year that those committees have actually been set up because we looked on track on what's going on. It's not really anything to do with this department. It's a city umbrella thing. that we pay, but we kind of prod because they're like, what's going on here? So it might be taken out of these. I hope it will eventually. Yeah. But it is a professional, or it's in maintenance contracts now, which is actually an improvement because it used to be in our professional contractual. Just eat it up immediately. So. Yeah, because that's a big payment. Yeah. Huge. do you have the county we're doing the committees now zach zach is on it it's it's uh zach is a city representative he's our finance director and then there's the general manager the world mark there's some other world mark representative who's in las vegas and then mark tolan who's the board director or something of the condos there or something that's the group And it sounds like they are working on putting in, they're working on resurfacing, protecting some of the sealant that they have in the parking garage. And they're also working on putting in security cameras and stuff like that. So the funding, that all goes into what determines this cost. But we're now part of the hours before it just kind of happens.

is like building maintenance, like pressure washing, because the outside is really bad shapes. Is that part of that committee too, or who knows?

I know it is some weatherproofing, so I would think that might be involved. But you might talk to Mark or Zach, because they sit in on those meetings every two months. I just pay the bill.

Do we know how many parking spots we give for that $7,000?

Oh, it's two floors, but I don't know how many it is. It'd be nice to know.

I'm surprised you reached that dollar.

If you got there early enough.

There's also a charging station. Yeah. So when people call me and ask me.

It's one of them.

There's two there, right? One I think is up on the page.

Yeah, one page. One is the one that we public have.

It's one of them. So the page, not everybody can go into the page section. It's just Wyndham folks, right? Yes. You already have to have. Yeah.

Okay.

Good question.

Thanks for the explanation. Great question. Anything else, Amanda, that you want to know about? Well, what's Destination Lab?

For three years, we have done a resident sentiment on tourism survey with Oregon State University. And the first year, it was paid for because we went in as part of the Travel Oregon grant. We were one of the destinations that was awarded funding for that. um so now for the last two years we've paid to continue that because we have a benchmark and we've seen how it moves okay and that I mean City Council goals and stuff like that it's a really uh good program for us to have and that's not that's a one time once a year but it's an annual one yeah okay that's how I haven't seen it I think if you go along to um seasideor.com go to the industry section we have the what the results interesting to see how things are changing on that front but seaside if i had to put it into like a short uh payment is relatively well positioned for a mature destination lots of other towns tourism has all is perceived as having a lot more um Seaside, I think those drawbacks are recognized, but also a lot of people recognize the benefit that it brings. So relative to other destinations, Seaside's doing pretty well. That's good. Okay, expenditures. I have two here. One is from last year. So it's through the end of June and it's been updated since we last talked. I think everything is in here now. And I just want to point out, if you look at the totals for materials and services, on an almost $890,000 total, we spent it to within a half percent in Japan. So we don't have full control over all these lines. So it's a little bit like surfing or something. You're anticipating things and changing course. throughout the year, but also keeping an eye on the things we do control very squarely and trying to spend it within reason, but not going over budget. So half a percentage point on that total would be good. The new fiscal year on the next page, it moves to the end of July. I messed up the spreadsheet there on personnel services and then put in the year-to-date expenditures, but it is 7.86% for this point in the year. Tariffs and services is at 8.47%. There are two items that I noticed in the budget that are both need to be reconciled before the end of the fiscal year and both result from the city council approving more money for things and our budget not being adapted to take those into account so one is in the contributions and donations line we have budgeted again four thousand dollars which is the same as last year however the city council voted to give David's chair, $14,000 this year instead of $7,000. So that means we're overdrawn on that, or we will be overdrawn on that. And unfortunately, that's also where we get our arts grant money. That's where we have less money right now. Yeah. But that's just on paper. It's going to be right this year. So that $44,000 will have to go up. And then the other more impactful one is the chamber. I don't know, what does comm mean? Chamber, comm, community, business license, former business license. $64,000. The chamber gets what, $39,000 plus fireworks. Yeah.

Plus $25,000. Yeah, it does, I think.

Yeah, I mean, that's not unusual. Yeah. But that's not what. So you, so this year the city council voted to move 40,500, but didn't adjust this line. And so we're out about 15, five on that one.

But it shouldn't have come out of that.

It is coming out of that fund. They just are paying this with a bed tax now. So they switched, they switched how it was funded, which doesn't impact us. However, they didn't adjust the total line. So we are impacted. Yeah. They're going to fix it.

which explains why when I called about the bill being paid, then it was a big question as to why I was billing it that well. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, we didn't get that bill even though we paid it. City Hall got it, and I signed and flagged it and said, yeah, we paid that, we'll pay it. This is where it was originally.

Oh, I know that's where it was originally, but I thought that that whole thing was that it was already switched off of your budget.

I think what they're, what they were switching is how it's paid for, for business license fees. This, this amount isn't, I don't think business license anymore. I think it's TLC, but right.

But what was business license fees? Sorry. I guess I was talking about fireworks.

Yeah. Fireworks used to be in our promo event, promotional events, but now it's a chamber business line or whatever. So anyway, on paper, We're short, but it won't be, that'll be adjusted as I said, they'll both adjust it over the end of the year. So we'll just have to watch those lines and ensure that by the end of the year that gets adjusted or else we'll definitely be over growth. And I showed them, I said, within half a percentage point last year, I need that money. Okay. Okay. Looks bad for us.

I think most of you have heard me mention this at meetings over the last couple weeks, but our visitors are coming from everywhere. We've had people from five, six, seven, eight different major foreign countries, not including Canada, but we've had Canada. And then all over the country, a lot of Midwest and South, which is a whole new weird thing. I saw many of them ended up here. Again, Oklahoma today, Virginia. New York yesterday. I mean, they're everywhere. It's really interesting and very fun. A lot of people in Oregon and eastern Washington obviously escaping smoke. And then we had a lot of people who had plans. This happened during volleyball. I heard about it afterwards. Apparently, a lot of people had plans to go hike the camp over Mount Hood, and they had that Meadows evacuation, or it could stay clear. A lot of people chose to come to Seaside and do the trailhead. So, I think at one point, we were estimating there could have been seven to ten different groups camping up at the hiker's camp, which was pretty interesting. Must have been fun. But seven cars got permits and were parked out here while people did the trail. So, that was kind of neat. I like that they pivoted and came to Seaside. And then... Months ahead of schedule. I think we set a record. I'm going to mail out the last of our polybag guides this week. So we've already started stuffing envelopes and labeling postage. Nate came in today, our Sunday part-timer, and I went over that with him. It's like if you're saying Sundays are busy, so hopefully he has a little time to stuff. But yes, surprisingly, Sundays have been really busy. And again, people from all over the place are coming in on a Sunday. So it's great. Even it's four hours. It's great that we're hoping it obviously serves a purpose. And Nate does a great job of detailing what they're in for. Like we try to keep notes of, you know, complete your treasures. Don't feel like you have to do it unless you want to. It's just kind of fun to talk about. So, yeah, hopefully he'll get to stuff some envelopes. And I've already ordered more labels and more envelopes to finish up the year because it looks like we're just going to be on average about 500 a week till the end of the year. And usually we would drop to about 250 now. By October, we're waiting every other week because we're not hitting our 200 max that we need to do the shipment. So this is different. It is. New territory.

So at this point, fully one third of the guides that have gone out are going direct mail order almost, which is a much higher ratio than we've had in the past, at least while I've been here. So we've had 20,000, I think, that we're hitting now.

I did mention a chamber this morning, so many of you heard it at all, actually. the I learned from Josh the meta leads are not just like some of the leads we used to get from I don't know we used to get leads from places where if people just packed on oh interested in the coast well then we'd you know we get the order for it I learned on meta they actually fill out an order form for the seaside visitor guide so that made a big difference in my opinion of the meta leads I thought they'd just throw away but they're So I just thought that was pretty amazing.

That make people a month over 300.

Yeah. Close to 400 sometimes a month. So that's all Facebook and Instagram, right? Or just Facebook.

I think it's Facebook and Instagram. And I think our totals to date this year are, um, uh, travel Oregon, I think is the most McDonald's because there's a much larger machine that we're working through. So Right. And the next highest would be Meta. Next highest is their own website. And those combined together have been 20,000 this year so far. And the cost per acquisition on that will be really reasonable. We're running at like $1.78 or something for those per guide. If you consider that if one of those, if one out of 10 people that get those magazines come to Seesaw. It'll pay for 100 people getting a guide. It's really running at really cost-effective rate. And Meta has all these, I don't know how accurate they are, but they rate all these different things as far as like, how successful is your ad? How affordable is your ad? Is your creative good? We were running above average in all the categories for this particular one. It just really seems to be working well for what it is.

And then the only other thing, yesterday, Beach Towel Tuesday, same as usual, there were five different families out front waiting. We opened the door. So everybody got their towels, and then a little bit later, this other family shows up, and the kids were really excited and so great. But he did go extra. And that was great to see. I mean, people were still at it. Dawn called me right before coming here and asked how many we have left because she sold out and wanted to know if she should be ordering more. I said, hell yeah, because people want it. And the way she's selling them, it's great to hear. More towels will be coming soon to Crafted and Seasame.

Can you have any sense of like where they're hearing about it? Like, are they seeing.

It varies. It seems like, um, I mean, Greg interacts directly. I know that one time there was a couple in and they said, oh, we've already got that. It's our one sheet. So they were in town. They knew that they were going to come back and do it, but it was like a Friday or a Monday or something, you know?

So it's like, do you want the info? I know we've got that. Social media. I have a hunch it's our event calendar.

Oh, yes. And then it's in the newsletter and the Thursday turnaround as well. But it's not for locals, so word must be getting passed on from staff at places.

Are they all coming from Ruth's? No. A lot of them go to Craft It from Ruth's.

yeah that was fun yesterday two two of the different families as they were walking out um the grandma of one family she put the towel on like a shawl did a little scarpy wrap and then the dad of the other family made a cake not the kid the dad did the kid and then they got their chair pictures you know so that was pretty cute did you do chair pictures with all of them

Do you take pictures of them holding their cup?

No, but I think everybody does. They get their towel, and they go out there, and they take pictures in your chair. They've been waiting a while, too, and they've already taken chairs. But yeah, a lot of fun.

What else?

Take a look at the monthly stats. Feels like it's been busy in the visitor center, but relative to past years, it's still slow. So July, we were down About 100 visitors from the previous July at 1,100, 13%, running about 7% below 2025 today. Volume was down this month. Our direct mail leads were up 23%. Total distribution was about even with last year. But like I said, our distribution has been much better mix as far as quality. Active web users were about equal with last year, sitting around 49,000 people on the website in July. Email signups were up 30% in July. Our visitor guide requests on our website were down 47%, but that's because they've shifted to meta. Our views for active users are down about 5%. Logging stats for Clatsop County in October were positive. 5.6% revenue growth, at least for the STR report there. And I did get a bed tax for the last quarter of 25-26, 1.8 million for TEL, 742,000 for BRD. Total for the quarter, 2.6 million. That brings us up to almost 9.3 million combined for the whole year. That is a 3.9% growth of the last year. I don't know if that's final initial note, so we may get a few more. It is hard to say if that increase is rate increases.

versus occupancy increases, right? We don't have any way of actually tracking occupancy increases.

The only occupancy data I get is on the county level on a month-to-month basis, and I just don't know how represented seaside is in that, you know, room. You have to put in some of the SPR reports a little bit.

Yeah, and it's, but it's, like I said, it's over low county, so it's not like it really shows seaside, but yeah, how many more, extra. When we're a big chunk of it, one of the best, you know, went into it, but it doesn't really break it down that far enough to tell for sure.

So the two lodging representatives in the room, how is your rates according to last year?

We usually have about a 5% increase on rates annually. And that was the case. We choose that. Yeah, I mean, it's... In the wintertime, we're having to dip lower, lower than we have before, at least this last winter. We had to reduce rates significantly to get anybody in. But as far as our average for our summer, we increased about 5% annual.

And so our rate goes a little different. However, I feel like as a whole, we try to stay pretty set most of the way through. Um, we haven't shown that big of an increase though, because again, we value our customers are repeat ones for the most part. And we're smaller, you know, at 22 units, I can pretty much control that matrix a lot better than somebody who is a hundred or 75. Um, so yeah, it's a little different, but for us, this summer has just been where you need summer just because it's not been sunny and hot every day. So you're playing that game of, you know, do they stay or don't they stay? because I was cool about her. If people were packing it in, like we discussed, the Wednesday where it would make that drop, I'm starting to see where Wednesday is starting to even out. It used to be that you would, you always saw Wednesday where nobody, middle of the week, nobody really stayed. But I'm starting to see an increase now. So, but school's, you know, in for a lot of places and school's got to be in.

School's got to be in. Yeah. For us, June was really soft. And beginning of July, first week of July was really soft. And then it started ramping up and now we're pretty much at capacity. But yeah, but yeah, but June is really soft.

Yeah. But again, I feel like that because people are starting to realize school is going back early and like, so a lot of kids in the Portland area are already back in. So we're hoping to squeeze that last weekend in or that last before it's the same.

Well, so for the county in June, At least the county numbers, the STR reports, it looks like occupancy was up 1.6 over the previous year, and RevPAR was up almost 8% for the county. Again, it's just, there are definitely some particularities about each.

And then there's things that have happened in lodging, too, like certain hotels, especially when you look at the county, because the Shiloh and Warrington went down. And, you know, there have been some other things that have changed. And some of the little towns in Astoria have gone to not being temporary lodging like that.

But we don't even know which properties are participating. Right.

And that's what I'm saying. So some of these guys have actually fallen off the star report because they no longer are representative of that. So then you look at that and the rates and stuff, you could look like you're seeing an increase.

Like is Norblad not, are they not reporting anymore? What happened to Norwalk? It's under a box after a tower. Yeah.

I mean, they're selling. It's currently a hostel, right? No, it's...

But we know it's haunted. No, it's just not every room has a bathroom. That's tough. It's, yeah, it's hard to rent rooms without private bathrooms.

So it was up for sale. Yeah.

We're going to move to the weekend this year for the first time. That's held a little earlier on May 30th. Typically held in June. Yes, change help boost attendance with an estimate of 30,000 people participating in and locked in the separation. Once again, the decoration station was decked out seaside branding and staff members walked around prior to the parade, hiking up seaside and in our travel guide for goodies. Seaside also received sponsorship recognition in print and PJ Express magazine as part of this package, on the Portland Tribune website, and in an e- newsletter to participants. The Rose Festival will post about Seaside on Instagram and Facebook on May 27th and again on June 3rd. Probably the biggest bonus, though, again, is going to be, besides the participation in the parade itself, was a 60-second CSI commercial that aired during KT's telecast of the Grand Floral Starlight Parade and on the live YouTube stream, which I've got a screenshot of down there. Nielsen overnight data showed the broadcast reached 80,000 viewers in the Portland DMA, which seems kind of small to me, but So that seems to all be for a viewership broadcast.

Well, I think, you know, because people are streaming and stuff more now, it's not so much of, I just don't think they sent me for viewing.

Because they saw huge increases in in-person attendance.

Right.

But I don't feel like people are actually staying home and watching me this much.

Especially when they can find them.

Yeah.

Because this is the first year for that. Yeah. Where, you know, it's a little different.

It sounds like they're going to keep that.

Yeah. They said that funding-wise, it's been a better choice of how to use it.

Yeah. TAB, Alex Weinheimer, Norcal PTAC, A second, and they said it averaged more than 40,000 years of iteration. TAB, Alex Weinheimer, Norcal PTAC, want to recognize to summer advertisements you can't have a while that might have been mentioned this attack meeting but. TAB, Alex Weinheimer, Norcal PTAC, We got these free last minute or value added placements from our partners and collaborators as a general rule, we do not allocate advertising budget to suicide summer months for obvious reasons. First up, Oregon Idaho's AAA VM Magazine had a full-page Sandcastle season ad in the July-August issue. This is out right now. And they even honored our premium first-page placement. So if you pick up a native, then you definitely can see this. And so that was really nice of them to give us this. The Oregon Coast Visitors Association also included a text ad for Seaside in its July-August email blast to subscribers. The email was appropriately themed, 10 places for family fun. And although Seaside was not among the names in the article somehow, like, I don't know how you dance around that. That's fancy footwork. But showing up as one of the email's four text ads, and I have a picture of it down there on the bottom of the page. It's a nice bit. of added exposure. This is a text ad, by the way. It says text ad, but it's a photograph, a linked photograph, but it's just a small bit of text. This is very common in email newsletters. And then lastly, although it's not an ad, our friends at Wyoming Week included an awesome feature on Seaside in their annual 2026 summer guide. The article begins on page 18 and runs for four pages, making it a good case for why Seaside is an unbeatable family destination. Also includes a variety of photographs, including a beautiful sunset shot we got from Gregor during our most recent advertising shoot. And, Christy, I think we have a picture from you in there, too. And I think it says Christy Poole. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, courtesy of Christy Poole. I think so. Or maybe it says...

I know they reached out and they wanted a photo and I went out and just grabbed one with my phone. I'm like, this is the best because I only have like 48 hours of photos. There you go. It looks like a really good picture. Well, it ran. It looked good. I was just thinking, I need to get a professional picture taken of it.

You run a 3D AI, it's fine. There's a lot of seal pictures on there, too. There's at least two.

Ours are just ones out on the beach.

Yeah. but yeah it's it's a really it's a really it's a good article it's kind of funny I mean it's typical why don't we like tongue-in-cheek but you know they rate all these places based on like how much fun your kids are gonna have how much fun you're gonna have as an adult you know and so the things kind of change over the different destinations but overall there's always something for everybody which is kind of a really nice takeaway They use the word kitschy at one point, but as far as things go for one week and monthly and things like that, it's really comes off very positive and not to backhanded compliments, which I kind of media is really good at doing. I know I used to work for one.

Okay. So we got two rooms.

The museum is applying for money to put banners on the bridge over there. So this is under the movement's acts of vitality. There is 9,683 remaining. This ask is for 3,452. was in request was that the sdva one no that was um that was a request that came from a woman from california who proposed putting the mural somewhere but she didn't complete her application i'll see him really interested on when she found this this wasn't the one in the gilford building that was that was different that was last year the mechanic watershed oh yeah they yeah no they never so i did want to ask maybe i'm

So last year, year, whatever, last grant program timeline, SCDA was awarded the $11,500 for the, or what, $11,000 for the alleyway. Yeah. And it, they were, they kept that.

They kept it. Okay. And they received the money.

For some reason, for some reason I thought that, because the project didn't.

They received the money. I don't understand. And, um, I think what you're thinking about is mechanical watershed council was trying to get a mural as well, but it turned out that they weren't going to be able to get it within the timeframe they needed, so they were invited to buy this year. But then their director left or something, so I don't know where they're at with that.

What is the timeline again for the use of it?

The idea is that it's spent by the end of the fiscal year. Right now, once the money's dispensed, we don't have a lot of, um, we don't have a lot of levers we can pull except for we can't give out more money. So the problem, the problem currently for STBA is that until they close that grant by submitting a final report on how they spent that money and everything, they're not allowed to apply for The next grant, which is going to impact Halloween happening, but they are the rest.

For some reason, I thought we had talked about. Like, getting that money back, because there wasn't really a timeline when it was completed. I mean, I'm glad they're kept and it looks like they're moving forward. Right? But I thought that we, at one point we had discussed it that that money would have to be allocated out of this year's.

I think I asked Zach if that was the case. And the answer was it. If they hadn't got the money, then we wouldn't give it to them. But if they already had the money, it's just can't apply for another grant.

Okay. So we did, um, we did spend the majority of that 25,000 last year then, right?

I think it was, was it?

I remember that there was like maybe 9,000 left over or something. Yeah, because, well, let's see.

So the chamber was almost seven. Right. But we did spend the majority of it. I mean, I think we had like seven. Well, so I mean, so SPD would be 11 and then chamber would be almost seven, not entirely six, eight or something like that. So it was so, so then there wasn't anybody else then. No, it was just those two. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. I think the tax voted to award them.

We did.

And then assuming they could come up with a location or something or get an agreement with Gilbert building. That's what it was. Gotcha. But they couldn't do that. Right. And so they didn't get the point.

Yeah. I was I was concerned that if we still had if If we had not awarded them already, the CDA, and now that they're closing in on that project start, then we would need to make sure that there was enough funding in this year.

Sorry, that was a long way around, getting to that actual point.

But no, sorry, that was the kind of point, just to make sure that before we move forward on anything else, that there was enough funds for that project. So I'm glad that it's not a factor. Did they say, or did I just miss how many banners that it actually is counting for?

Four banners.

Is that it?

I think it's the four poles. Yeah, I think so. Four banners. Have you seen a folder with a stone there? Yeah.

Yeah, I priced those at one point to do temporary ones for events on the prom. Down the prom. Anyway.

Mrs. Smith, to stab you again.

Yes.

It looks like the most, the money is mostly in the hardware. Yeah. And then after that, when these are weatherproofed, if they take a beating, they are going to be replacing them with their own money after the committee's done keeping them.

I remember I asked that. We're hanging those. It's like the ones, I mean, because we had some down in, in Downey. That's what that was.

They changed it like four or five times a year. Yeah, they haven't changed it. Yeah, the hardware's, I don't know, not useful.

Yeah.

The ones that arrived. Yeah.

I might have some of them. Yeah. If they're anywhere, that's weird. If you're missing something. Oh, I know where they are. Here's the aquarium. It might be there. Or the basement where the Gilbert building is. Yeah.

Recommendations? Motions?

So it's just on Pearl Harbor Bridge.

Yeah. Four banners, the brackets, freight.

Banners are pretty inexpensive. Yeah. Yeah.

Thanks for the brackets for this.

Yeah.

But it's just one banner per. Like it's not two sides and it doubles the double banners, right?

They're double sided, two off the side. No, I know they're double sided, but yeah, there were two off of each one originally. That's what I thought. And that's great. And I think more of a frame.

Yeah, we all pay for that. Pretty good. Someone was kind. I like this idea. I look forward to a motion to award it.

Okay, motion to award $3,452 is all at table. Looking for a second. I'll let Ruth second it. Second by Ruth. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Okay. All right, one more.

It's one of the...

repeat some indigenous gatherings in the past it's a repeat looks like april 30th but we didn't fund it the last event maybe they're doing each other

Yeah, they put 2026, but they must have meant 2025. Wasn't it in the spring? So they go and they have this, did you read it before? They go and they harvest like rhubarb and all different kinds of stuff, and then they make weaving. If you look at it, it looks like it's private event right and it's I think they have to be a travel number they get invited and they put about it was five hotel rooms so I don't really see how this is yeah what's that for five yeah and then what they want three thousand and most of that is going just to salaries

Under Describe Your Project, there's an interesting paragraph that says, due to the names of this three-day gathering, inevitably event participants stay overnight at Seaside as well as shopping locally. We anticipate, this is important, bringing in a similar mix of travelers to the event and anticipate the same number of participants in 2027 from previous years, all of which . So it doesn't seem like a material change from last year, in a sense. Do I recall you folks saying that this is something that they wanted to support? No, we wanted it to grow.

And that doesn't sound like that. That would be even better if we have at least one particular event or something like that. Every place you go to. Yeah.

I noticed that too. Hard to pick out, though, what the resources are. Yeah, which are medically specific.

Well, I was looking at their cash.

their brokerage account funds, and then their petty cash. I mean, their brokerage account, they have almost $60 million. And then discretionary funds and savings, they've got $500,000.

I don't know that it equates to the number of visitors to Seaside that we would hope for any event.

Since in 2026, we nearly doubled attendance from prior year. It didn't say what the attendance from prior year was. Maybe I missed that.

Net income was $1.8 million too. Yeah, just that there are other overseas that might benefit more not have a backup like that.

And they can.

It's not open to the public. I kind of feel like they're not a reusing territory. They come from the public.

All the other communities are welcome. Everybody's welcome. They're on the beach. There's not, you know, they're in a very welcoming, salt-meat cruise, you know, that kind of thing. All of it. So I am so proud of them.

I would recommend not funding this for the request or not. I would second that. All in favor?

Aye. Opposed? I do not have any business this month. However, I did want to let you know that I will be creating a draft charter for the TAC based on the spreadsheet you submitted. And then I will present it to you. I'll try to get it done for the next meeting. And you can vote on if that's what you want to send to the city council or we can make changes or whatever. Basically, I've been assigned to take the filled out and apply it to the draft template of Charter that some council has moved forward with and approved. And so I'm going to do that for tax vision. And I guess I have to do that for my own vision, which is closely related to O&J. And then we'll discuss it, I guess, next month. However, I don't have the copy you sent to City Hall filled out. If you think about it, could you email it to me?

I would, except that was on my computer that died a very severe death.

i know i am i can mount city call for it yeah because they could have it as well but they don't remember it i could like i might have a remember a paper copy of it well if it's easy you know if not they have it for sure what they do have in the folder that i was given is the the ants The answer is the ultimate answer is along the left-hand side, but none of the reasoning that went along right, which I feel like was all the work that was in it. So I don't have that filled out probably. So I'll get that, but we'll try to discuss that next month.

And then I guess I would like to chat at some point before we start working on budgeting stuff. for the year, I would like to chat about us potentially being the body that requests a surf break. A surf break at the beach.

Beach Zamboni.

Beach Zamboni.

I just want to start early. And then also potentially being the entity that requests a, and maybe this will just happen through Public Works too, but an entity that requests PLT money for the addition of power at Avenue A ramp for the events as well. So both of those things I already talked to Spencer and Public Works. But now, of course, since Paul's gone.

There's no power there?

There's not. The only power is at the base of the turn around. There's water there, but no power. So the reason that I really ask is that our event alone spent about $9,000 in generators and feeding the generators for the event. yeah, just with ours and the coast and other events that could use power on the beach. It seems like that could be savings overall, make things a lot easier.

Public comments. Anything for you?

No. Okay. Well, then we will call this meeting adjourned at 2.54. Is that a record? Good record. See you guys.