Planning and Zoning - Regular Meeting

progress. We approved two minor plats and that was the Yarberry Estates plat and that was one block, two lots and then there was a minor replat for Hidden Meadows and that was combining two lots. We had a very uneventful month for January. Yes. Okay. Anybody have any questions? Okay. Then um we have next item is approval of minutes from the November 4th, 2025 regular meeting and the January 9th, 2026 special joint meeting.

I have a question about the special joint meeting. Um there's no like summary of what happened. We have to go see. Would you like to summarize that, city manager? Repeat it one more time. She was asking why there isn't a summary of the minutes for the strategic planning workshop.

We're we're not required to to do so. We put it out just for what the for what the agenda was. Um we'll submit the strategic plan um to city council um once it's complete. So, we're looking towards the second meeting of the uh of February for that since it was just a discussion. Do you remember when we had that email where you had to put your um they printed those and those little card that they were listed out but I mean I thought it was a pretty good meeting.

Gina I'll um get you a packet of what we went over as well and I'll provide you with that to your your packet. Okay, thank you. Can we do one for the EDC? I'm sorry. Can we get uh see how the EDC one went? The one that was in the afternoon. Yeah, absolutely. I thought it went very well. Just positive feedback. I did too. I thought we um want to thank each and every one of you. Um, and even though that for the ones that couldn't be there, um, uh, we took your, uh, information that you provided and it was a very constructive uh, conversation. So, I really appreciate the time that y'all put in for that.

I wasn't there, but I heard from feedback. That was a great workshop. Well, thank you for for doing that, for orchestrating. I make a motion to approve the minutes as written. I should Who was a second? Second was second. I'm sorry. Okay, we'll do a roll call. Chairperson Glenny Hefner. Yes. Associate Chairperson Wagner McGee. Yes. Commissioner Willoughby, yes. Commissioner Davis, yes. Commissioner Wford, yes. And Commissioner Villery, yes.

Our next item is citizen comments. Any person with city related business not on this agenda may speak to the commission. Time is limited to three minutes in com in compliance with the Texas Open Meetings Act. The planning and zoning commission may not deliberate on the comments. Personal attacks will not be allowed and personal matters should be addressed with the city manager during normal business hours. Do we have anybody? Then we will end the citizen comments and move on to new business. Election of a chairperson and associate chairperson for the remainder of 2026 term to expire May 2026. So, Miss Glenny, would you like to take this one? Do

I want to renew or I really I have things going on and I really I really don't want to be the chairman right now. Okay. Not to say I wouldn't do it later, but if I need it, but I don't need a leadership role in any manner that I'm not already covering someplace else. Okay. Do we have a nomination for chairperson? Nominate Candy Davis.

I second that. Two months.

March. March. April. This is February. March. April. Okay. And associate chair. Uh I don't mind hanging out in this position if everybody else is okay with that. Yeah. Okay. We'll take a roll call. Current chairperson Glenny Davis. Yes. Okay. I'm sorry. I know Davis. I knew I'm looking at too many names on here. We combine both of you. I apologize. Current chairperson Glenny Hefner. Associate Chairperson Wagner McGee. Yes. Commissioner Ronnie Willoughby.

Yes. Commissioner Jana Davis. Yes. Commissioner Wford. Yes. And Commissioner Villery. Okay. Uh, yes. Okay. That passes. Welcome to your new positions. Okay, I'll finish it up.

I can read. I'm good at that. Our next item is public hearing PZ260112 request for a variance at 3811 and a half north FM646, Santa Fe, Texas. legally described as abstract 1M Austin SR part of lot 8 8-7 FH theamman subdivision to the code of ordinances chapter 8 subdivision section 6.3.2 2 design standards. Subdivision B, street servicing and improvement to allow a publicly dedicated rideway to be improved outside of the current requirement of concrete, curb, and gutter and to be improved for improvement to be made with asphalt.

Good evening, commissioners. Uh, Mr. Dexter has submitted a request for a variance. Our current standards say that if you are going to make an improvement on a lot, then it has to be done on um an improved road. And the improved road standards say that it has to be concrete, curb, and gutter. The current road or ride ofway that is leading up to the lot that Dexter is looking to purchase is a ride of way that was dedicated in the 70s when we were not annexed as a city yet. It was annexed and we did not find out that it was actually a dedicated ride ofway until Dexter did his plat and we saw it recorded on that plat. So, I did a little bit of digging and found all of the dedications on it and found out that it was actually dedicated to us as a rideway and not just a driveway, which we had thought it was since it had come into the city. So, we did a little bit more digging, found out that it was not adopted by the county and recognized as a road. The city had not adopted it and recognized it as a road. So, it's just remained as an unimproved rideway up until this point. um now that it is looking to be improved upon now it has to be brought up to standards which poses a bit of an issue because it is a very short ride ofway but it is a very big undertaking considering the state that it's in now and for the project um it is not quite feasible for the amount of money that it's going to cost to do concrete curbing gutter but it does have to come to planning and zoning if there's going to be any variation in those requirements because planning and zoning is who set the standards that it has to be concrete curb and gutter. Um, one of the

concerns that has been brought up amongst staff and Dexter was that it it may set a precedence. And that was one of the things that we wanted you all to discuss is if that was something that we were okay with approving going forward with this project or if there was a a possibility of requesting city council look at abandoning that right of way for this project to continue on. Um just a couple things to consider. I've asked Dexter to wait until the second portion to give his presentation so that he can go over everything so you can see the entirety of the project. I didn't feel it was very fair to limit him to the public hearing portion and not be allowed to ask him any questions about the project. So that'll be my section if anyone has any other questions or

would it be a president's for only city property or just in general for street driveway right away? So when you put the street in it, generally people are going to request that we take it over. We don't have to accept it on the plat. It has the dedication language, but the city still has to accept it. Just because you put the dedication language on there doesn't mean that the city is going to accept it. We have to go through a formal process taking it to city council saying that we are going to accept it into our inventory of streets that we are going to maintain.

Oh, I Okay. Okay. So read the other part for public hearing. So if we don't have any the public hearing is closed and we'll open for consideration as long as nobody else had any other Yeah. Unless anybody has any other question. Okay. I guess I wanted to know the ramifications of each of the options that you just listed off. We'll talk about that under next. Okay, sorry.

Okay, next item. Consideration and possible action of PZ260112 request for a variance of 3811 12 North FM646 Santa Fe Texas legally described as abstract 1M Austin SR part of lot 88 8-7 FHaman subdivision to the code of ordinances chapter 8 subdivisions section 6.3.2 Two, design standards. Section B, street servicing and improvements to allow publicly dedicated rideway rightway to be improved outside of the current requirements of concrete, curb, and gutter and to be improved for improvements to be made with asphalt. Okay. Um, good evening, commissioners, and thank you for the opportunity to present today. My name is Dexter Guys. I'm here on behalf of Victoria's Assisted Living um to request, as it's been stated, u a variance uh for a uh access road that leads or actually dead ends into a property located at 3811 12 FM 646 Road North. Um we are currently under contract for this property and uh our intention is to build a second 16 bed residential assisted living home. So we have now been operating in the

city for approximately two and a half years in which time we have been able to provide uh proven exceptional senior living care and services to our community. as the only long-term care provider in Santa Fe. Most of our services are geared around um activities of daily living. We help with bathing, dressing, grooming, uh all of those activities that individuals no longer can do for themselves at home. Uh we assist with medication uh administration, meals, activities and just overall our aim is to provide a homelike environment whereby the um individual can thrive and experience a higher quality of life and care as opposed to an alternative say a nursing home. So, uh, it is our desire with this expansion project to build out a small residential assisted living community which will be the first of its kind in Galveston County. Um, the request is being submitted in consideration of practical financial and community benefits that align with what we believe to be the city's long-term interest. And so just from a conceptual standpoint, um you can kind of see uh these 3D renderings, it will very much be uh and have the appearance of a home very similar to the property that is located at 3815 FM 646 Road North. Um we've um done quite a bit of work already and we have our uh full set of architectural plans uh ready to be reviewed by the city um in this uh design. Uh essentially it's I say a home on steroids. It's um basically 16

private bedrooms that each individual resident will be able to occupy. And then you'll see uh there are quite a bit of common areas which you would find standard in any home uh including a living room, a dining room uh and some activity areas as well as outdoor space for them to enjoy. Um and then this is a kind of a conceptual 3D uh rendering of the site plan. Uh what we are hoping to do or hoping to accomplish is essentially to eventually build out two homes on this particular lot. Um with phase one being building A, phase two being building B. Um and then there's actually the formal site plan. So, um the um we really we feel like we've worked really hard on our due diligence. Um probably over the last 6 months we've been meeting with uh city officials and um we've really made some great headway. Uh for the most part, we've identified the need in the community. Uh we historically stay pretty full with the waiting list and honestly feel really bad. I'm having to turn away uh quite a bit of locals that are not able to admit because of availability. And so without a doubt we believe the need is there again being the only provider in Santa Fe. Um drainage uh for the most part we feel really good about that. Those plans are

currently with our civil engineer um as well as um utilities. Um we have for the most part verified with um the water department that we have adequate sewer and water. Gas is not currently on the property. Uh but it should be no no big deal to uh extend the gas line and uh also started discussions with Centerpoint and electric will not be a concern at all uh due to the existing uh easement that kind of runs on the south border of the property. Uh of course internet and cable is is is really never a big deal. as long as you're willing to pay for it, they're happy to put the lines in. Um beyond that, um the um actual um in terms of our our funding, um it has basically been approved. uh we have uh not only commitment from our lender but we're actually um really at a point where we've set a tenative closing date uh for March if everything can be worked out from the permitting uh standpoint. Uh so really um that kind of just you know brings us down to why I'm here tonight and what we've discovered as uh Georgia pointed out is uh this road which I never would have imagined driveway um is kind of at the center of of kind of what's holding us up. So, um, this unnamed road in question is an abandoned public rightway which has never been really accepted or maintained

by the county or city. The rightway currently provides primary access to one other business and one non-b businessiness property owner and secondary access to two other businesses. The access road is unique that it does terminate into property um into the property which we are currently under contract for. Um it has very low um traffic volume. Um even um when built out, we primarily just see traffic for our providers and family members. Um, in fact, the other day I was kind of just calculating in my head and kind of through observation probably less than 20 cars a day. Um, improving this road will uh we believe will definitely enhance the safety, accessibility, and overall uh usability for all who travel this road. And our goal is to partner with the the city to complete the road improve in a way that is both effective and fiscally responsible. This project um we are proposing would use asphalt that is a stabilized standard all weather surface material acceptable um by text dot. And so um for us there are many reasons why it would be appropriate to grant this variance uh for this minor development. Uh number one, cost effectiveness. Uh the property owners for the property owners in the city. Um asphalt construction is significantly less expensive than concrete curb and gutter. And uh our current proposed estimates uh right now show a cost of around 120 to about 150,000 to uh pave this uh road in asphalt.

whereas concrete would be upwards of 300,000 um for the alternative. So choosing asphalt definitely reduces the financial burden of both of both private parties and the city for initial um construction and future maintenance. And we feel that it's important to note that this is a very small piece of property um which will be subdivided into two lots. um one under 4 acres, the other under 2 acres. And ultimately, in order for this land to be developed in the future, the access road must be improved as stated by the city. Um this improvement can only be accomplished with the variance to prevent unreasonable financial hardship on the developer and the city. Um secondly, um the consistency of surrounding infrastructure. Many public roads in Santa Fe and the surrounding county have been improved with asphalt, without curbing gutter. Um approving this variance maintains continuity with existing roadway standards in similar areas without setting a president we believe. And then thirdly, um adequate drainage without curb and gutter. So this existing crushed gravel road has a tried andrue base which has served this low density area for many years now. The site's natural grading and existing drainage patterns allow for proper runoff without the need for concrete curbs. An asphalt resurfacing the um an asphalt resurfacing with engineered extension of the road with appropriate crown and ditching will meet drainage requirements while avoiding unnecessary and costly infrastructure. Uh fourthly, uh just the ease of

maintenance. Um, we believe the asphalt is easier and more cost-effective to maintain over time and repairs can be completed quickly and at a much lower cost compared to concrete systems to reduce the long-term burden on the city and property owners. And then finally, from an economic development standpoint, this expansion project will allow for our small uh business and this parcel of land to finally be developed to generate increased revenue and property taxes, but it will also add economic diversity, jobs, and secondary revenue through sales tax um back to the city. With the completion of this expansion, we um expect to employ approximately 45 employees. So, this Venice is not simply um a private request. It um supports the broader broader community by improving one of the last public roads in the economic development corridor in a way that we feel is financially responsible, structurally appropriate, and consistent with local precedents. The improvements will enhance the road um from from its current state and provide better access for emergency service, delivery vehicles, and neighboring property owners. So um in conclusion, I respectfully ask the commission to approve this variance so that this road can be improved efficiently and in a manner that best fits the character and needs of the area. The approval will allow for us to expand our in demand assisted living business and services to the city of Santa Fe. um appreciate you guys time and your service to the community and in consideration. Thank you.

Can I ask a couple of questions? Sure. Uh how long is your wait list right now? Um so right now we actually have uh two we have a formal and an informal waiting list. Our formal list is about six residents. Um keeping in mind it cycles. So once a bed becomes available, many of those guys are not able to wait for placement. So they've either found alternative placements out of the area or their loved one has passed. And so it kind of cycles along that way. And then our informal list is probably about 12 residents.

And do any of those have cars that they park? I think I heard you say that they they it allows them to continue driving and such to where they would be having cars on the parking. So, our model is a little bit different. We're residential assisted living. Um so, if you can imagine a large facility that meets a house, so we really cater more to individuals that are experiencing end of life. Majority of our residents are there within their last two years of life. And so, uh really none of them driving. Okay. Um, so traffic really will primarily consist of employees and uh family members, visitors uh and providers.

Okay. I'm glad I asked. Sorry I heard you wrong. Yeah, no worries. Thank you. Thank you.

I have something just to say on my experience. Um, my aunt spent her last days with Dexter and having this facility in our community where I could still work. I would go by in the morning before work. I would go in the evening when I got home. I was there on the weekends. And having that facility in our community was invaluable. Invaluable to be able to have that in the community. And I I just can't say that a facility I've ever seen like run as smoothly and have people that care so much for people that are there. So

looks like it's very wellkept. It's it's extremely it's a it's a very special place. Thank you. Would the paving be all from 646 to the end of the property?

Yes. And I also asked the fire marshall to attend our meeting in case anyone had any questions related to getting firet trucks or ambulances and the requirements that he would have as far as safety for getting back and forth if you had any questions for him. I have questions about abandoning the road because I did the research on all of the neighboring and as far back as I could find as these people purchased their property, all of their surveys set private easement. They did.

So I would assume that somewhere between when the movies dedicated this so that their children could have space on their original family plot. Somewhere between that space and at least as far back as I I think I got to 1995, so roughly 30 years ago, it's been considered a private easement moving forward. So why can't we just leave it a private easement and then he wouldn't be required to have this

concreted? So, we officially have to release it because it was dedicated to us even though it has been filed that way. So, how do we do that? So, city council can do that. So, can we make that recommendation fast enough for them to still close on time? But they have to purchase that property. Is that correct? Uh, yes. Market value. So, so um Oh, I'm sorry. You're saying for the easement or for the property that we're under contract with? The easement. The easement. Yes. They would have to Well, it's not an easement. It's a road. The rightway. Yes. Private. Yeah.

Well, right now it's a publicly dedicated easement. The way it's been filed in the other deeds is them claiming it as being a private easement, but it's a publicly dedicated rightaway. So, that that we never accepted. that we never accepted. So, it falls in a weird gray area, but

it would still have to be taken to city council. It would still have to be purchased. The other caveat to that is is that he was hoping to apply for a bear grant to get assistance with putting in the road. If it is abandoned, then that removes that option. Who would maintain it? Formally accepting it at that point.

It still has to be taken to city council and requested to be taken. So, it's still going to have to go through engineering just like any concrete road would, just like any subdivision would. It'll go through the engineering, which she's in the process of doing right now is getting all of those specs and everything completed. And then once it's completed, it'll have to be um inspected by a private inspector and inspected by our engineers and signed off on. It'll have a one-year warranty that it'll have to undergo. Any maintenance that'll need to happen within that one year will have to be looked at and done. And then after that one year, he can request for city council to take it over um and make it part of our road inventory. they can accept or decline or he could choose to to keep it as something that he maintains, but we're not required to accept the street after that year. That's up to city council.

Concern is when it changes hands and it's going to change hands eventually. They're going to expect the city to Yeah. So, like I said, it gets lost in the shuffle.

Yeah. Like with all the plats that are filed, it has to have that language on there. But that's where a lot of misconception has come from is just because the language is on there does not mean it went through the formal process of acceptance. And we're swimming through a lot of those technicalities right now and things is that things were not formally accepted. So, we're trying to check all those boxes off and if that's something that he requests, then it will be requested by city council to be formally accepted if he so chooses to make that request to city council.

So, what is the difference between leaving it as a private ement letting him do their own driveway and then him putting all this infrastructure and choosing not to accept it after a year? What's what is not a problem? It's a public road that we still don't accept and we still don't maintain. I mean, I can't make I'm asking like what what is the confusing?

Well, I I can't answer for city council just like I can't answer for you guys. So, for me to say yes after a year they're going to accept it and we're going to accept responsibility. I can't say 100% yes. So, if we're going to No, I think she's asking different standards because then you're just asking the taxpayer to take over maintenance

for a street. So, and then you're setting precedence. So, I think we need to focus on how to have it be a private ement and how can we do that quickly? Because I I really do believe that after reading all of these, as these properties changed hands, somewhere between 1984 and this, they chose to have the street and because the surveyor who did the survey work There's probably another document somewhere that they haven't found. Oh, I' I've dug through all of them.

And then I guess if I may speak, I definitely can attest to the fact in talking with the prior property owners and even current. It has never ever been maintained by anyone other than them. In fact, I even have had opportunity to go out and throw gravel on it. So, I guess my concern is at some point it's it's got to be, you know, maintained. Um, even if just for our current facility's benefit and in my opinion, asphalt paving is better than what it has now. What is the business in the back there? That warehouse building.

Uh, they do machine turbo turbo maintenance. turbo. They don't have a lot of traffic. No, there's not. Um, and that's actually under a lease agreement. My understanding is that the owner is want is wanting to sell that as well. Is it like a thing where big trucks go in and out? No. Um, no. It's u they, from what I understand, they repair and fabricate turbos in the shop and then they send them out.

Oh, okay. I was just thinking along the lines of if it was big trucks that would be a lot of weight. Yeah. No, no, no heavy truck traffic at this point. So, is this going to be behind that? Yes. They're going to be He wants to build too extending the road. Does the road go all the way back? It does not. So right now that it stops where the grass is at or where the gates at. And so it'll have to be extended all the way back because it's got to have the culdeac on it.

Yeah, it's kind of complicated because the road you would naturally would think that it would end at those gates. I don't know if I have a picture. Can't really see it. But once you get about halfway down the road, uh the subject property is completely fenced with hurricane fencing and there are gates that the previous owner is always just kept closed. But technically that road extends, if I remember correctly, like another 400 and something feet into the property. So I guess that's my question is the dedicated road goes well past what's already

Yes. Yes. Yeah. The dedicated road stops or the gravel stops right here. It's closed. And the dedicated road goes all the way back in here. Okay. And I think that was a lot in part too because when the family was dividing it up at one point, the family had a piece of that parcel inside the gate and then the uh they swapped. So, and I think it still shows the division on the on the uh tax records. And I think that's why the that one Yeah. on the corner. I think that's why the road ended up going through that property.

Is somebody paying taxes on that property? Well, it was then since Oh, no. No, it was from what we determined from the county. I emailed the county. They have no record of maintenance or accepting the road and they respectively said they don't want anything to do with it at this point. But if you if it's not Yes. You want to come? You want to I know Dexter, we talk I have the property right beside it. Mhm.

And uh the the reason I would want to interject here is because uh I have 7 acres which is on the south side and whenever it rains all the water comes and some you know it's over my ankles just walking anywhere on my property because of uh like like this south side here I have that land and the the because of the buildings that have been put there in the past, they raised it 2 feet and the water drains all over my property, which I and I came here a year ago uh and discussed it with city council, but they never got back with me.

Are you on the north side of the road? No, the south side. Th this that way is north and that way's south. I have the entire length of that property

and then the softball field is back over this way. So it's like that there's a ditch there which uh you know you you talked about uh uh concrete with gutters and curbs is one thing and then concrete or crushed gravel is one thing but uh because of because of this hearing I came here to say you know there's drainage issues use and this property drains a lot on my property. And so I think the good thing with this if we are able to move forward is that obviously we will we are working with the civil engineer and we have plans to help mitigate that because also the softball field is kind of getting some of that as well.

So um just a softball field it's right here. So it would be to the right. Yeah. And there is a ditch. The ditch. Yeah. So, it's behind mine and it goes behind his, but there is one of these uh ditches that goes it goes uh north of the softball field. So, is your concern that concrete would make it worse versus the crushed asphalt that it drains through a lot better?

Okay. I I I don't know. But this is a hearing to uh you know, you want to be considered when they do the plans. Well, I mean, yes, please. the uh uh you know especially since the the one building uh from what I know okay there there's the turbo shop they raised that turbo shop up 2 feet and that was from they dug all these ditches you go all over the place here and there's these ditches and that dirt got dumped

where where that and then the the the person put a metal building there and that's the turbo shop. So that turbo shop is is you know 2 ft higher than every place else and so the water runs and it's a big metal building. So all the water comes off of there on the concrete and then drains on my property. Mhm. So where is your Do you have a house on that property? Are you rolling nails? I have a house on that that property. Yeah, that's where I live. Okay. Sorry, I didn't know if it was just pasture land or if it's Well, it's a you know, it's a 2,000 square foot house with seven acres.

And then I have a shop there and a a barn. Have you ever flooded? Flood whenever rains. Oh, no. I mean, your house. Oh, the house is a modular house and it's uh 36 in up, but whenever it rains, uh my shop gets, you know, the the whole floor is wet. Now, water comes in one side and goes out the other side. Right. Okay. Did you if I remember hear you right uh you did say when they're going to put the asphalt they are going to put ditches out front so

you know along along it and everything else with drainage and water and everything.

Yes sir. So currently the existing road essentially has like a natural uh drainage with open ditches and then if you can imagine it's a crushed gravel on that portion of the road and then um I've challenged our civil engineer to basically pick up from that point uh on into the property to redesign a road that would uh obviously uh meet the standards and help you you know, mitigate uh excess water from going into other properties. Um, and then just as a whole, uh, with the 3.8 acres, uh, we're looking at alternatives to help reverse some of the damage from the past to the softball field. And

you know, I'm looking at some of these pictures and I don't even see any type of ditch or anything. It's just flat ground and everything else for for that portion going into the property. Um, but there is a shallow ditch that already exists. Um, and it shouldn't be a big issue to uh

redesign those ditches if we need to. And then the the uh uh like if you've ever talked to any of the the girls at the softball field, that place is always wet. You know, the girls have to run uh in, you know, talk to somebody from 20 years ago. They were running around with wet tennis shoes. But there is a ditch, a a large county ditch right behind that, right behind his property. Is your name Roy Mills? No, Roy Mills is who owned it previously. Okay. What's your name? My name is Raleigh Smith.

Okay. And I bought it from uh Leonard Hardman. Roy Mills sold it to Leonard Hardman. Leonard Hardman owned it for 10 months. So, are you looking at the survey? No, I'm just making sure that we have uh addressed your concerns so that way we can finish with you. Don't have anything else to add. Oh, I mean I I did don't know how all this thing works. So, I mean, I wanted to uh express my concerns. Sure.

Thank you. So, can you give us our options again? I'm kind of confused on the options. It seems like they're bad, bad, and bad. So, basically what it is is that Yeah, I don't like any of them. I I want what you said. Yeah, this is a designated roadway according to the maps and everything else. Yes. And instead of putting concrete and curbs and everything else,

roadway, it was a public road that was dedicated that was never accepted by the city of San, but and the status is right now a right of way. It's a publicly dedicated ride ofway. Okay. Okay. Not nothing for utility. No easement for utility. None of that. Not that has been disclosed as far as what we have on the plat. So really it was just named on a plat that way. Yes. I mean the is there a documented? There is a record.

I mean because I'm thinking of my own property. I I have a rightway in the front of my property and the rightway on the side of my property that supposedly could be continuation of Yes. So the dedication is here. Um Dexter's already gone through and done the footwork to send to the other property owners requesting that if the city abandons it that they accept the responsibility of it. So there is that option to go through. They agree.

We didn't have them send it out yet because we can't ask them to accept it if we don't know if city council is going to release it or not. Sure. Um so it's it's going to have to go hand in hand. We're going to have to know if there's that's an option. But if city council if city council does release it, then it discounts the option of him getting any help from the EDC or even applying to get any help from the EDC to put the road in, which would violate our ordinance that we have that says to get a building permit, you have to have an improved rightway. So,

and then I think the other concern for us is um you know acquiring this road that now we would have to pay taxes on and be responsible for when three other businesses are utilizing it. He just kind of drew the short straw on it and being the first one that needed to do it had he waited and somebody else done it, then they would be the ones standing here maybe asking the question, not him. What about up to the property line? So, we could still apply for the bear grant and then let it be private from the fence to the back like a driveway. It's already dedicated.

But what if we what if the city releases this part, lets the first part from here to the highway stay, they accept it, right? And then he can apply for a bear grant. No, because Are you saying she said it has to be just that front section is uses the bear grant to improve the front section to the property as asphalt and then the city releases the remaining portion. No, just to use the mayor grant to offset the cost of city standard street.

Would that be feasible? Okay. If he doesn't prove the road, right? But then it will be private from here back and he can do whatever he wants to back here and then he doesn't have to go, right?

Hold on. I'm going through my filing cabinet. We'll see you next month. Sounds like a good Andy said we're on a deadline here. Um I mean if it's purchased at fair market value seems like a good compromise as land. If you approve this and replatted and it would really just require the other business that's there to have an access easement to get to their portion of the land. So, it would require him to issue an access easement

to those people. Isn't wouldn't the other business be before that? like before if if we go with what you're talking about, it would be before there's only one business that would be affected by it, but they have large trucks that they would benefit from just keeping the the limestone driveway. But they're right when you come in their driveways right there. Yeah.

Approving it. Approving it sets us up for the city to be sued when the next person tries to come and do it. And I'll be the first in line because I have my road ready to go. I'm just I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm just saying that the rule is like it is for a reason. How can we help him? This is a wonderful idea,

right? This is a wonderful idea that the city of Santa Fe needs. So, this will allow him to still apply for the bear grant to help offset the cost from the highway to the gate to city standards of a concrete street. And then when he gets to the gate, he's free to do whatever he wants to. He can do any kind of do two dirt tracks if he wanted to. I don't care because it's his private road. And then we get out of the way and we don't tell him what he needs to do back there. But can you get a permit for these back here without being on an approved road

as far as if if he purchases this? It's no different than build to purchasing a flag piece of property that touches a 60ft road rightway. Then we don't the city of Santa Fe doesn't have any bearing on what I mean I love that idea. I just want to make sure that what do you think accomplish? I know that this is like a lot of rules and we may need a little bit more time, but Manny, is that something that we could work with as far as your standards for getting firet trucks and ambulances back there? Okay. So,

I'm not saying not do it. I'm saying let them two work out how get the fire truck and the ambulance. Let let the property owner and the fire marshall work that out without the city being involved in telling them what they have to do. So in brief um any development of a roadway surface is pretty much going to run parallel with or consistent with fire code uh requirements which is the improved surface and improved surface it's already embedded with drainage grading uh weight rating for surface and width. So even if hypothetically you get up to the fence line, that's kind of arbitrary because it's not in the language of the flat per se, you know, okay, you get it to this point and then you come in for a permit. Well, how far is that set back from that point to your access to your facility for the, you know, emergency vehicles and andor emergency access, you know, say it's another 40, you know, say it's 200 feet, then, you know, to go around the building, per se. So, that's still going to have to be built to that same standard as the macheting roadway with the weight rating with the grading um design and width. So it would pretty much still have to meet the same fire code standard which is what the city ultimately what the city standard would require.

But could could they could they meet the standards by having asphalt instead of concrete back? The standards could be met design but that's on an individual design engineering designing uh specifications that the customer would ultimately produce and introduce to the city

and that we technically already started um because obviously the road does not exist paved at this point anyway. And as you could see, what we were proposing is essentially a hammerhead for emergency vehicles to uh navigate u and I think I talked to you before a little bit about it briefly in one of our meetings uh with a fire hydrant centrally located to eventually service both buildings. So that would not be an issue. Um but just ultimately asphalt is way more um affordable than concrete price.

Yeah. And I think the bigger thing that we have to kind of consider is that at some point if we ever want this property developed, it's got to happen, you know, and unfortunately from my perspective, it's not large enough to put a Walmart or shopping center in. Mhm.

I mean, you you really honestly, and we were talking about this the other day, it's probably best suited for us. I don't imagine anybody else that could use it for any other reason. Um, it's too valuable to just put a house back there, you know, and either way would still be right before you guys kind of chopping through this still. So, it's either now or later. Um, but for us, it's very significant. um because this will determine if we are able to continue in Santa Fe with this concept.

We won't be able to afford it. Yeah, it's not a very big business. Um it's essentially a custom home with a lot of bedrooms. Um, and for us too, we've really taken pride even on the first uh bill of really being creative and being good stewards so that we can keep the cost down for the consumers. Assistant living is very expensive and uh those prices can really increase up with the cost of the facilities and staffing. Yeah.

So, can we do the compromise? I think what he was saying is he didn't still didn't think that would work but oh even if you only concrete think that would so u it would definitely put us you know in a better direction than you know having to meet the entire standard for the entire street. Uh our biggest concern just being honest uh we approached city with this at the end of July and we're running out of time. Yeah, we honestly are. So, if you the the loan the lending you're getting right now,

is that just for the two buildings or would it al does it also allow or can you request for it to cover like if we did do the thing where the city would do the front half and then y'all would do the back half that it could all lot for that or not? No, it's far past that point. It really is technically. So, we are um securing funding through an SBA 7A loan. Okay. Um and so if you've ever worked with the government or SBA, it's not as easy as saying, "Okay, we're going to stop and start over." Um I know as in the military, you don't need to explain. Yeah. So, hurry up and wait.

Yeah. So, for the most part, um the loan has been structured to accommodate Yes. the actual facility purchasing the property and some degree of infrastructure but not to the extent of a concrete curb and gutter. Okay. And a lot of that was also hinged on um asking the city for assistance possibly through EDC,

which I think would be tremendous because as I pointed out, there are three or four other businesses on on that strip. And uh if you drive down that corridor, which we're saying is the economic development corridor, it's like the last little spot that's just really hanging out there that needs some attention. Um, I think and I'm really proud of the work that we've done on our section. Um, I I wish I had a before and after picture from three years ago. Um, it's really helped to move the aesthetics of that area on 646, I believe. And we still have the same intentions of being good stewards and doing that and definitely looking out for our neighbors. Even when we built, uh, I was in constant communication with Mr. uh Raleigh and we were very considerate of our neighbors and really trying to make improvements that not only benefited Victorious but that entire area I've been kind of at a loss with this one because I have my emotional attachment to it and I don't have an easy answer.

Yeah. And if I did then I would have given it already. We say it's it sets a precedence but I guess the part that I don't understand is that that's the whole thing about asking for variance is because it's not forprofit business. Oh. Going in the back. Yeah. That is has tax dollars tied to it. If we have to maintain a road that is not filled in that's the citizen's pocket. And it's so as much as emotionally I want this to happen, we still have to be good stewards of our tax dollars. Okay.

And I don't know. I I researched every one of these properties trying to find the document where they all agreed for it to be a private easement. I believe it's there. I don't believe that all of these people just had these documents drawn up. There's so many documents that have that and so many tracks. There's four tracks on one pro property that all have it listed on there. So I believe there's another document that says we've all agreed that it's a private ement. I've gone across that looking for it too. Yeah. And so I just

Can you go to each and create it as a private or you can't go back on? So it it's like the way that it's listed. There's the dedication of it. There's the deed of dedication and then there's lean releases for each individual property. And then there's one more document that's randomly in there. And that one document that's in there in between all of these lean releases says that it's a public rideway.

Every one of these documents lists out the culdeac description. I went through it line by line and measured it to make sure that that's what we're talking about here. All of the properties and then one of these properties is four tracks. So we're talking nine different documents all reference it being a private. I don't believe that's an accident when in 1984 there was one document that a family dedicated a rightway so that their children could build on it. And that's how it happened back then. And so one of our consultants had suggested that and I don't understand how this works but since it was never formally dedicated it could somehow revert back to that original property owner and then they could make the decision.

Are they alive? The daughter is who was actually signed on the uh the dedication or the uh I think it was not the dedication but the the final transfer. And then of course one family member grandson still has a a law.

We have to find a way to still protect the city but go with the fact that this is a private ement. So, you know, he also has a title company involved and so you'd have to have them see what they would they have to agree to and no one's it hasn't been it's only been conveyed as a private ement. It wasn't conveyed title to it, right? No, there's not a title to it. Yeah. So, you that that's the problem, too. And what what was the specific dedication or at the county?

Uh the county. So it was ultimately dedicated to the county because the city had not annexed this property is my understanding. And so when we um started our research with the county um they basically said they have no record of maintenance or ever accepting it. And of course at this point uh because the city has now annexed that portion of the county, they want nothing to do with it essentially. So it really does kind of lie back between the Why is it that the county can just oh we don't want to have anything to do with it but just like the city they don't have to accept it. Yeah. The language falls in there but just because the language falls in there doesn't mean that

so nobody's accepted it. So it's just floating around. Yeah. Yeah. and had he never felt the the replat to do that then we wouldn't have ever looked at this and thought anything different. And the point of a city accepting a road that you build to their standards is that now it becomes a road that the city's going to take over and maintain, but it's built to a certain level, right? And not going to cost more to maintain it, right? because it was right

which you know our our main argument is that it would just be you know not feasible even for the city to we're talking like 300 and something feet of road you know that's really privately accessed. So question the the road dedication is the title company you're have they looked at this and said um they've not given us any feedback on it at all. So so the the where that gate is yes

um I think you said well let me just start over on asking because I'm not sure which thing you were talking about. So the the the front part that is where that other business is and the part that is before the gate is how how much how many um I don't have the exact measurements but I want to say it's like roughly like 300 and something and then there's probably another section that's probably just as long if not a little bit longer. Yeah. Okay. If the city doesn't do it then he is liable for everything. Right. The city doesn't city attorney would need to be

Yeah. And I hear right that okay if what if we go with the asphalt and everything else for then one year if he wanted to have the city take it over. He has to come to the city council and apply for them to take the road. At that point, the city could say, "Yes, we'll take it over." Or, "No, we don't." Correct. And if they don't take it over, that means that he or somebody will have to maintain that road from then, correct? But not the city. Which is essentially what's been happening now.

And And then But you could you would be able to afford to do the asphalt version? No. No, the asphalt asphalt it would it would definitely long term be a lot easier to repair an asphalt road than a concrete road. Yeah. After years said he could say yes and no and then we're done with it. But but that would be mean starting I'm just trying to follow everything. That would mean starting it as him doing the asphalt. No. And then come back and applying and he would Yeah. He would do the asphalt at the beginning, you know, with our standards and everything else and and he would maintain it for that war that first year.

Yeah. It's under warranty. Yeah. That's, you know, and then after the first year, he has the right to request the city take over the road as a permanent road for the city. And so then it would he would be be surrendering it to the city and then the city would pay for then the city would take over and it would become the tax the city can also deny it and but the city can also go like it is and it would go like it is now and then who would pay the taxes on it on the scenario taxes? There's no Oh, because it's right. Yeah. It's just kind of floating out there. Right. Right.

So and then Okay. And so then if the city did take it then they would have at that point would it come back before in front of us to it would go strictly to the city council. Oh okay. And then they would say okay well we have to bring it up to standards and ask I mean concrete it and curb and gutter. They would just take it over like a like a lot of the a lot of the streets are now. We would have our engineers give a report and say it's we've walked it. it's up to our standards and we're comfortable accepting it. There's no detrimental errors where it's going to come apart as soon as you walk on it, that type of thing. Yeah. But if the city doesn't take it,

then if it just hangs out like it is now and you would have to maintain it, which we're doing now, which you're doing now. Okay. So, I don't see. So, is is that something that you think that you could That's what That's what he's That's what he's suggesting now. Yeah. Okay. you know, which is to me is the simple and quickest way, you know, are we interpreting every or am I understand everything? Okay. Yes. That's what this section of gray hair is is gray hair is this. And if we recommended that, the city council may turn it down or whatever. I mean, just are you planning to come to city council

when they present it? I'll do whatever I need to do. I am passionate about it's I can understand you know it's you know what's happened in the past but this is the quickest and easiest way Yeah. of letting him you know but then again we're are we putting ourselves in trouble with somebody else who wants to put a asphalt road in and not pay for asphalt and something else. I mean this is a unique situation but not everybody has extra certification right we know he builds good stuff but not everybody who comes behind him so that's why they have to come and present the stuff in front of us we can get a suit though

if we denied somebody else yes you did it for him you need to do it for me got to remember that when we're making these decisions that not everybody has the best of intentions but it's not there isn't like this is not exactly a a common. This seems like a lot more common as there's less and less land to develop here in Santa Fe with the people with them not demarcating the streets versus rightaways versus what what I forgot what it's already called the public like with it uh because Yes, that's what I'm trying to ask.

Because it hasn't been ever designated. You've got houses that are alleyways, designated alleyways, but there are other rights away in the city that are still Yeah. not maintained by the city because the street wasn't built. Yeah. There's other places. Yeah. Just like that.

Just exactly like that. This just happened to be a new one. And I and I think from my standpoint, the reason I was saying not really a precedence is because um this is one of the last ones that has not had any surfacing. The others um obviously have asphalt surfacing already. So I personally own a street that does not have surface. Just throwing that out there.

Okay. Come on, Georgia. There's got to be something. The alternative is if this commission doesn't feel that they can make a decision, you do have the right to refer it to city council and then city council will make the final decision on it.

I feel like I can make a decision. concrete. The only thing that we've approved in our standards respects that's what was put in place when I right before I got here. Um, but is there not a provision for low density roads to be used as as to be paid as asphalt as well? There isn't one that was adopted at the same time that they put in place for the concrete roads. And I don't know that low density would work when you're going to have a garbage truck, a fire truck, and that low density that you're talking about, you're talking about the number of people that are going to be traveling on the road.

Okay.

But it's outweighed by the the the weight of the vehicles that are going to be on this road. The reason I was asking is because it says in our regulations that the surfacing shall be character suitable for expected traffic blah blah blah and the types of pavement shall be determined by the development officer. So I'm wondering where that comes into play. So it has to go be before PNZ and then PNZ decides what that standard is and

for that for for whatever for our city standard as a whole. Oh okay. And so PNZ decided prior to me getting here and has continued to decide that the standard was concrete curb and gutter. And that was way before the spike in prices on concrete.

And I got here June of 23. And so I know it went into effect prior to June of 23, but when we brought it back up for re-examination, that's been the choice to continue with that standard. So with whatever the standard was prior to that, I don't have knowledge of it. I'm sure I could find it. Great. Did it go? It has. Okay.

Seems like that's the whole purpose of asking for variances because this is an oddball situation. But is it? Well, when you have them keeping records where one says it's a rightaway, one says it's a you know, it's it's when you have a deed dedication roadway. Yeah. I don't care what anybody else has called it, unfortunately.

So, somewhere there would need to be another document to tie all of these surveys to it where they're using different language. There was something in between that document and these Oh, there should have been, but doesn't mean there was. But they can't undo that. I mean, can people undo it? It could have very easily been that just because we have it digitally filed now and we can sit and go through it somewhere in a move of documents or in a filing cabinet somewhere. somebody went to go check for something and couldn't find piece A and so assumed that it was an easement and

put it in a release of lean that way and so that's how everyone else followed suit and then when it was digitized all the pieces came together and they didn't quite fit but you can't or someone just asked you know one of the owners and they said no that's not a road that's just an easement right and there it goes or has this property I'm sure it's been replatted from the time it was dedicated until now. That's another one of those gray areas where you click and then it redirects you and things have been moved in there. extra has a

Yeah, I can't remember the date on that plat, but it was Yours was 20 22 uh for the shop cuz that shop was built in 2002 three. So,

and then there was a lawyer that owned all that land and he would sell a parcel here and a parcel there and draw it up in his office and sell the land. I think it was Hall was the lawyer. That's surprising. Dexter, do you want to pull the chair?

I'll stand. Yeah, I know. It's It is definitely a unique situation. Um, I just don't see it being practical for anybody. I mean, if it were a pass through street longer, didn't terminate into that property, I could see like, you know, the standards being there. But I just don't see anyone ever being able to develop it. Yeah. Um, city council's third day next Thursday. Next Thursday. If we say no, we can tell what the city council. You guys don't even really have to say no. It gives you the option to put it forward and and say that we'd like city council to consider this,

right? You that you didn't have a a set decision. Um, I would need the commissioner or or the chairperson or associate chairperson to come and speak and have something so that I can present it to him in writing so that you can explain exactly where why you came to the determination that we need help. There's their meeting is the 12th. Yes, I can come to that. Okay. Yeah. And then I I would like to present this road dedication to one of our underwriters and ask them what we could do to undo it. Okay. I would appreciate that

because if the road gets undedicated, but is that a problem for the grant? It's a it's a grant problem. That's why I was saying let's do half and half. Yeah. Let's un let's What kind of verbiage? because I think it's only 200 and something feet from the highway to the fence because this property it's like two or 300 and something this one's 96 and I think so they really remember how deep your property is.

Uh it's like a hundred. It's about I think it's about if I'm not mistaken like right at 300 ft from the apron. Okay. So 285 ft. So if we did 285 ft of city required street construction that allows him to still apply for his grants but then it cuts the cost of his road because there's 446 feet from that point to the culdeac that's drawn on this paper. I I don't know what I'm just estimating.

So what about an abandonment by the city? it it's going to do the same thing. It's going to cut off where you can't well abandonment only some of it because for the for the owner in the back who owns both of these pieces he just has to have 60 foot touching a private I mean it touching the road right away right so if you're if you're looking at this here the owner that he's purchasing from owns this whole thing so there would be his 60 foot road rightway to the property that he owns It's this bridge for highway commercial

because I've seen cities abandon their roadways and give it to the joining property owners. I've seen so one of our consultants suggested that as well. Um and then it would kind of do only part of it abandon. Yeah. and it would kind of put us back in the same situation where we're kind of maintaining it like we've been doing. Um, so I think ultimately for us it'll just come down to the most cost effective way to satisfy everybody and getting it paved and then the quickest way because unfortunately this has been six months of kind of

going in a circle. Um, Belinda made a good point. It's not going to give them enough frontage to plat it if you cut them off at the road and then take into consideration that the sale of the shop is going to be a separate sale. And we are in a joint plat like he did agree to plat jointly with us.

But it if you cut it off right there, it's not going to give you enough frontage on the road to meet the requirement because this isn't considered front edge. It would be side set back here, not frontage.

And I think the other thing too to kind of consider is yes, it is a a 60 foot wide road or rightway, but that actual road is not very wide. like um if you drive down it, I think I had the measurements. I want to say I can't remember the exact measurements, but it's you wouldn't really be able to. I don't even know if you'd really be able to build it to city standards, honestly. That's what I was asking about earlier where I was saying it was cut

because like where Gates Fuel Services is like literally their little side parking lot butts up to it. Um, and it does curve and so of course we know we'd have to remove some of the fencing. Um

only has to be what 28

Yeah. I don't have the exact measurements, but it would be really tight um the way the road's laid out cuz it's not a straight road. it kind of curves and unfortunately um not that it can't be removed but there are some things that are kind of in the way a little bit question I mean what's the difference between us if we if we approve it's going to go to city council no matter what the difference between if you approve it it doesn't have to go to city council if you I think this has to go

don't make a decision then you can refer it to city council if it's if it's denied then he can appeal it to city council is there a wait time for him to appeal it within 10 days but if we just make the suggestion that you go to city council does he get to get on the agenda right away so there's no wasted time I would have to write it up first thing in the morning and get it to Natalie before noon but yes we could put it on there you know to where he doesn't miss the meeting Right. It I would have to write it up tomorrow, but yes, we could get it on the next That would be faster than him doing the field conference, right? Yes. Oh, no. You say that question. What was a question? You have to wait 10 days.

You don't have to wait. I think you have to do it within. Yes, within 10 days. We don't have to wait 10 days to do it. Oh, you just can't do it beyond that. because I can't believe that we can't come up with

Does it It doesn't exceed. You said it was 16 or No, it doesn't even count as units, does it? because it's a house like type of thing whereas a unit would be apartment or condo or town I mean he still has to have a fire plan and everything how it's classified right so and what you because I was just basing it off of what it said

oh yeah 30 units So you've already made the determination that you can't do this the way he wants to do it without coming here. Is that correct? Yes. So there has to be a majority vote of us then. Super majority vote. Yes.

Trying to do the numbers. We can uh put it out and see what it how it turns out. Yeah. If it fails, I think the best thing has to appeal to Yeah. You know, by tomorrow morning or I mean, you have to write it up. Send it to the city council. Let let some of us show up and explain what we had problems with it and, you know, see what they can do. Let them make decision. I mean, even if we vote on it, it's still going to go that direction. Yeah.

So, let's give it a try and see what happens. I mean, huh. So, not necessarily granted, it won't go any further, right? Yeah. If we don't do anything or deny it, then it would My heart wants to do it so badly, but my brain is like, "Okay, do we need a motion or give it to us?" I'll make a motion that we grant the variance.

I second. Chairperson Hefner. Yes. Chairperson Wagner McGee.

Commissioner Willoughby. Yes. Commissioner Davis. No. Commissioner Wford. Yes. and Commissioner Villery. Yes. Motion passes. Your variance has been great, too. Thank you.

Hey, here. I think this it is. Okay. Yes. I'm sorry. Next item. It's okay. Oh, okay. You have to go to city council. It better not be.

Okay. Next item. Consideration and possible action. Review of proposed RFQ for changes to the unified development code. I promise this one will be quick and easy. Miss Janet, I know that the numbering at the bottom of this is incorrect and I need to fix it before it goes out. What number? The numbering at the bottom of the page. Oh, I know that is incorrect. I didn't get a chance to fix it before before I sent it out. I had to give you at least one thing if you didn't find anything else. I didn't notice. What? So, I said something you didn't notice. No.

So, I I put everything together. I started originally going off directly off of the RFQ that we looked at, and there were just a couple things that were in there after I looked at it a little bit harder that didn't quite sit right with me. So, I went back and dressed it up in one of our RFQS that had gone out for a different service. Um, and it fits a little bit better with what we have put out previously and more in line with our language. Um, and some of the where am I at?

Page nine of 12, the spec part three specifications. Some of the things that are in the diagnosis are similar to what they have and what we had gone over and some of it was vamped up a little more to match what we had discussed in the strategic planning workshop, but I did put in there that this is going to move fairly quickly. Um, obviously that we want it to be correct and encompass every change that we want to make, but that we would like to have it completed within 6 to9 months so that whoever decides to bid on it knows that we are serious and we're not going to drag this out forever. The first page says it's due March 18th, but then the other one I did change the dates on it. Um, thank you. So, I will fix the first page.

So, we want it for the 30th. We do want it for the 30th. I was trying to give them enough time to get questions back as I was bouncing around. I was like, what questions could they ask and how long am I going to have to answer those questions? So, I, you know, think they needed a little more time as did I say, too. Oh my gosh. What is it? The year. Oh, whoops. Are the Yeah, the other ones are right. Okay. In that weird spot where my years are the response date. Oh yeah. March what? Uh 30. March 30th 26. We're not going to do retroactive. Yeah.

We're not going back to I'm done with 26.

25 was a good year for her. Okay. Yeah. I also did make it very clear that they will be responsible for mailing everything and holding all of the public hearings. That that's not something that we wish to do.

Thank you. Say that part again. that they will be responsible for mailing everything, posting all of the signs, posting all of the newspaper postings, and that needs to be included Austin requirements and what they submit to us because we will not be doing that. And then it all has to be in compliance with state law and Texas local government code regulations. I said that five or six different times. That way if somebody comes in from out of state then they understand exactly what they need to be in compliance with and that they'll take full responsibility for it. Okay.

So what happen if it changes again in between now and then? Cuz like for a while there it was changing like once a year seems like. Maybe that was just my imagination but I hope it doesn't. We better move really fast. I make a motion to approve the proposed RFQ for the changes to the unified development code. Second. Is that Miss Janet? Yes. Okay. Commissioner Glenn Hipner. Yes. Commissioner Wagner. Yes. Commissioner Davis. Yes. Commissioner Wford. Yes. Commissioner Willoughby. Yes. And Commissioner Willer.

Yes. I'm going to keep this. I'm getting there, y'all. And this last one, I promise.

Next item, discussion and direction, review of the green infrastructure toolkit for Texas communities.

I make a motion to postpone this one to our next meeting. You don't even have to make a motion. This one's easy. Please go watch the video that I sent you and look over this. Um, this is one of the things that I'm proposing that as we go through updating our subdivision ordinance that we work into it. The video I sent is about an hour and a half long. So, commit some time to it. But during the strategic planning workshop, we discussed possibly offering incentives moving forward. that my idea for incentives are not tax rebates. My idea for incentives are we'll discount you permitting fees if you put in infrastructure that's going to help us not flood people out. So, this is one of those toolkits that could possibly help with that. And it's got backing through&m, FEMA, and some other really important groups that I personally feel like we should be following suit with. So, please do homework. Go home, watch the video, look through the toolkit, and when we come back, I'll have it on the agenda and let me know if that's this is something that we would like to work into our subdivision ordinance before we really hit the meat of what changes we're going to make in there. There's not a lot of cities around us that have things like this in there, and I think that we would benefit as a whole from adding some of these things in there.

Uh, two two things. Um, and it may have come through while I was sick. I don't know. But I never got the email for this particular thing. So, I never got uh video, nothing. Okay, I'll try send it by.

Yeah, I'll I'll look. Sometimes I have to search literally by your name or it does not come up. It's weird. Anyway, um but the other thing I wanted to mention is I went to that event that&m put on at the uh the only other person from the city that was there was Mayor Noto. Um it was really good. I did not realize the amount. It was for the county for Galveston County, but I did not realize the amount of uh monetary value that the Galveistston County has regarding agriculture and how it keeps like all of this keeps us from, you know, it min reduces our flood risk and such. And uh and they were really big on encouraging incentives for land owners for along these same lines. And so it was, but I had no idea. And a lot of it was in Santa Fe. Like a huge portion was Santa Fe.

So the dairy, the cows, the the bees, although that's 60. We lost 60% of our hives this year. So I lost all. So $2,000. Got to go spend.

Okay. Yeah. So it's good. Yeah, I want to make I just want to say this out loud. Um, when I when I was appointed to this committee, the only question I was asked was, "What are you going to do with your kids so you can make the meetings?" And I said, "I have a husband and a nanny." And so, I got appointed, but I am very um disappointed or concerned that we don't get our agenda except for one or two days before this meeting. I work nights and I have to take a night out of my schedule to come here and then I find out the day before we're not even having it. I understand the agenda is done a month a week ahead of time at least. Is that right? In in most cases, yes.

Yeah. I mean, I just would like us to be informed well before uh the due date of a meeting if we're not going to have one especially so that I can use that meeting for work because I've made all my money that I've been in town and I would like to do that. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. That's it. Amen. Second. All in favor? I thank y'all. long time ago.