Historical & Landmarks Commission - Regular Meeting

I have ordered the historic landmarks commission meeting at six 2025 at 06:11PM,

and I will start a roll call.

Commissioners Barton Smith. Here. Commissioner Marwana. You, commissioner Seltzer. You do have three accesses today for senior officer commissioner.

They've all been indicating earlier that they were going to be absent tonight. Do I have a motion to excuse this readmission in your speech? Excuses. And the inspection is continuous and and exceptions. This part allows this part of the meeting allows for an active member of the to be, well, continue without hearing or withdrawal because we are, exempted for any items to pass, we need to have all those.

It has to be unanimous decision to pass the item. So, you know, this is a chance for the applicant not continue to item

we accept any

comment or sorry. And any any items that are not on the agenda tonight, we do ask for the comment brief because we cannot an action item that comes in through this section. This goes to any members of the public commission. There's no members of the. Chamber, do we have any?

Thank you.

To.

So I'll start with '22

and the zoning is part of the

plan.

A dry properties that are two, there's 690 which is at the of the bar there and 610 Jackson to the south. Both are in a Spanish style, the 690 Jackson, hating the Spanish public style, 610 being more of a Spanish revival. Here is the proposed front elevation for Super 45 Jackson. We'll have wood siding on the front, this leg portion. So right here, being on the porch, standing seam roofing on the front, and then on the sides and rear, we'll have white sucker on the sides, and then on the rear is.

Here's that side of line that shows that a bit more, standing seam on this front portion. On the rear. Please note that there is a ADU that is That is not a part of the public hearing. That will be settled. And and.

Right? And here are the floor labs. Two car garage, one bedroom in front, four bed, second bedroom, third bedroom, and the space here for you. So the it's not a neighborhood compatibility. The everyone's project has been one of the same single family.

As I said, we're gonna have lunch between fourteen. The front of the house is oriented towards the front street the architectural features of the design in the wood siding at the front of the structure, the siding at the rear, and on install are to to the architectural requirement appropriate to the neighborhood, and that the project proposal opening to the side of the house kinda get warm on the rear of the property, and that reflects what we see at the or that that's what we see around the neighborhood as well. So so all in all, the staff recommendation is that the historical commission by the proposed project will get six forty five injection screen will not destroy or have a significant adverse effect on the integrity of the HR. Operating within 200 feet, namely 610 And 619 Jackson Street, and that they proposed instruction is compatible with the neighborhood. And then we recommend approval for of the architectural preview and the.

Thank you so much, Dan. Good to see you. It's nice to see you

from any other questions, comments, etcetera.

Thank you for the presentation. And any immediate question for staff on the project before moving on to the applicant Yes.

Six ninety here and six ten ninety. Very nice.

Discussions.

There can be a discretionary approval, which is what you all review. We make discretionary recommendations. You're applying your own personal discretion for the design.

It's also part of it.

Can you contact him last night? No. Yeah. We can move on to your next item, and then we'll look at it, like, right after. Thank you so much.

Okay. So the approach is twenty four. Sorry. What what is 05:30 again? I don't know. Okay. Yeah. Inside, you show there. Plus the distance from front of the 2nd Story to the street? See the floor pan here.

It shows the 2nd Floor on the right side. This wall right here, it is five feet away. It's the 1st Floor wall here. That five feet

is in dimension here on the left.

Other

Answer that. Which one? Oh. Thank you. But it's sort of a. Pass the question. It is about three houses in from park on the right hand side.

Yeah. If I What did you say?

Park Avenue. That was. That's that's

the next month. And since it's the. Yeah. I'll assume issues.

So for now, I'm gonna

invite the applicant to address the commission, if you like.

Good evening, everyone. Thank you for the opportunity to go ahead. Oh,

no. It's it. It's it? Yeah.

Good evening, everyone. Thank you for the opportunity to present the new development and these locations. We got it about six month ago not six month ago, and we went through the process. And we have here tonight for the historical study that designed the project that recommended not to be on historical list. And now my presentation, I will show you the front side, the right side, the left side.

It's not actual it's not reflect a 100% to the on at for the elevation, but not the concept of what we want to view. Alright? And after that, I will show you the existing structure inside the house. If you look at the historical report, you will see the outside structure is, you know, is is is terrible, but they decide on what to say. So we want to build a new house, quality house.

On the left side, you see that's facing the commercial side. Okay? And then now you go to the right side that have have the lights. See, earlier, we have we would have placed window glass to make sure privacy for our neighbor and for us to call the first people live here. K?

And that that's the current number that you apply right now. The commercial side and the right side is now in Level 530, and we want to save you some picture in the inside the house. You can see that the living room

Just a little.

The kitchen. This top, and that tower to basement. Right? And then that ceiling and back to the back door. So we're sticking property inside, and this was not give up give up. So, hopefully, we got the opportunity to view a good standard we can have with quality product that I consider or enable privacy and also to make the whole area look better. Any

question you'd like to ask? Thank you for that presentation. Any questions about the. I think we have a lot of questions. We're trying to figure out

how to formulate them. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Let's get back to the picture screen. So looking at the overview that seeshow of the streets attached or the houses on the street next to you on the, like, Google satellite, and it was actually a really good picture because it gave a great overview of, well, the front of your the new home decor building, maybe even with the house next to it, or the other is pointing feet back, it means that all the smaller structures are set much farther back from their lots. So if you look straight down on the satellite picture. This is your presentation. Okay?

I think that's the. So you'll notice that the the four historical homes, the taller forty second story, one of taller one historic. It's set very far back so that everything close to the street is only about 20 feet away. Everything and short, one story, and everything second story is much farther back. And I was wondering if you can And consider modeling the homes with all of that same structure so that

you didn't have a second story so close

to the street. It would follow kind of same ebb and flow of the other homes.

We find by the city. We yeah. We build the call to

the call. Yeah. Or or. You know? Yes.

Yes. But I don't I don't I don't know if that picture is the current picture or no. They're not.

Yeah. It's. Yeah.

Yeah. I have no problem. Maybe they express that and say, oh, let us know.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Thank

you.

Thank you. Barbara. Jason. That's Jason Barbara. We're at the Jason 530 Homer Street, so directly next door in the single storey.

And I just wanna welcome you to the neighborhood and say thank you for what's happening. We know that there needs to be some changes, of course, and open to that. But we we have some concerns that we'd just like to talk about. I've just written some talking points to keep my thoughts together, if that's alright. And thank you, Steve, for speaking with me this week.

Appreciate that. I think that there's sort of a responsibility to protect the architectural integrity of the historic neighborhood and approving the demolition of a smaller, period appropriate home to construct a much larger out of scale replacement contradicts that. So I have some concerns around that. Elmhurst Street sort of reflects the distinct period of architectural history and maintaining the size and scale is kind of key to preserving that sort of essence of the neighborhood, and that's a concern. The proposed two story structure, I feel like, will overwhelm our property at 05:30.

Think there was some conversation about the heights of the roof. The the current property is one story. Our home is one story. I think there was some uncertainty around that, and ours is a one story. So they'll feel like it's dwarfing our home that we can't make a two store So I think those are some talking points to to talk about. Let's see. There's some consistent and the neighborhood has consistent setbacks, rooflines, proportions that maintain a cohesive look, in a significantly larger home, and it breaks that pattern, reducing the store of authenticity of the neighborhood.

Let's see. I think that if the project is approved,

it might encourage more tear downs, of course, leading to a wave of overbuilt structures that dilute the historic charm

of the neighborhood, and that could

have some long term impact of our new birth there.

Larger home with multiple residents likely increased vehicle movement and driveway use impacting the walkability, pedestrian friendly neighborhood, especially given our very narrow streets and existing congestion also. And this is being increased from a two bedroom, one bath to a four bedroom, three and a half bath, it's significantly larger. And I think somebody mentioned that there were how we felt about kind of something above ours, and I do have concerns about kinda seeing the sky outside of my window and foliage. And I know that the image that was provided at the rendering sort of had lots of space and trees, and where those trees are is our house. So there aren't gonna be those trees and and blue sky to be seen.

Those are some concerns I think we have, and there's the two car garage there, and there are really hard to

garages in our neighborhood. They're they

tend to be with maybe one exception, one car garages, and some some of them are, like, tandem rather than two. So that was some concern. These are some of my main talking points. I don't know. Did you have anything you wanted to add?

I was just wondering how it's going to fit. And that's my main thing.

You know, I'm looking at the rendition, and that looks really

great. But when you look at at the actual picture of it where that ivy fence is and then the space between our houses, I don't see how the house is actually going to fit and it'd still

be walkable,

I guess, to get around it. Yeah. About this second story and this Yeah. So I'm

just worried about that. We wanna make sure this looks good, and the fact we'd love to have new neighbors.

Love to have you guys come in.

Do you have any questions for

us as the neighbor? So it's the first time you're speaking to your No.

She's very nice. You

guys actually came over and said hello, and

she meant

it was sunny. Guess we came over and just said and said welcome to the neighborhood.

No. Just

over the weekend I'm sorry. Over the weekend, we were given their contact information and that they'd be interested in doing this project, and it was up for proposal. And we received a notice in the mail from the city.

Hi. I'm Kara Brunzel of Brunzel Historical. I did the historic evaluation of the existing property. I I didn't really do an analysis of impact on the on the district specifically, but, you know, looking at the proposed new building. You know, I do want I wanna go back to the style discussion because this is an eclectic neighborhood.

It's not we're not replacing a Tudor style, you know, historic district contributor. The existing building was a, you know, Spanish style. This is obviously not a recreation of a historic house, but it's in the same kind of idiom. But, obviously, it's a modern house. And then as far as the the size goes, I think, you know, if we were doing a secretary of the interiors analysis of a a you know, to see whether there's really a negative impact on the district, it's really pretty respectful in size while being you know, a a 2,200 square foot house is not a huge house for a family, you know, in 2025.

And I don't you know? And it also the height given the height given that the roof pitches are very tall on the historic buildings, it's really not very different. It's a few feet higher. So I don't think it can really be said to loom over, you know, the the existing historic houses. I I understand the concerns, of course, but you but when we apply those standards to historic you know, infill in historic districts, you know, what you what you don't wanna see is a a five story building next to a single story building with with no no step back or setback.

And I don't I don't think this is really, you know, that kind of case. It's not a huge footprint, although, you know, it is bigger than historic houses. It's, you know, it's not it's not a mega house. It's not they're not trying to cover the whole. So I just wanted to point those things out, and then I can also answer any questions about the the historic status or anything related to that if anybody has anything.

Thank you, Lynn. Any commissioner have questions? To that long range decision, the neighborhood.

The the other thing about that is this you know, it's it's interesting that in such a well cared for upscale store favor, but this particular house was abandoned. And, I mean, there's I I mean, I work with historic buildings. I love every old historic shack, but it's not really a house what's there now. It's it's kind of a it's a nuisance. Right?

It's probably not gonna be rehabilitated. And the fact that where it's located, it's kind of a buffer between the commercial neighborhood and the historic neighborhood. So it's not like yeah. If you were pulling out one of the the tutors from the middle of the four tutors or something, you know, more central to the neighborhood, but I don't I don't really think you have a situation here where a loss I I the old house on the site is really already lost. There is there is no historical resource there.

I I realize it's, you know, maybe more compatible, but it's just it's a matter of time before it just collapses and possibly hurts someone if it's if it's left like it is. You know? It does need to be something needs to be done with that property. And it's I don't think it's quite a situation where, you know, a a newer house on the edge of the neighborhood would impact its ability to become a historic district.

You mentioned compatibility. I don't see it as being that compatible with what's around it.

It looks very modern.

Well, I mean, again, if you look at the Secretary of Interior standards, you know, you're not supposed to create a fake historic house. It's, you know, it's the standards are very clear that every building should be an honest expression of its own time and place and not you know, you're not supposed to take, you know, old features off Victorian homes and put it on a new house, and you're not really even supposed to do seamless additions. You know? So, yeah, compatibility is difficult, and it's in the eye of a beholder. It it it's a it's a hard mark to hit, but, you know, I it's definitely in scale with the neighborhood, and it is not you know, it yeah.

It doesn't look like a historic house, but I don't think

it's incompatible with historic buildings. Did you have a follow-up question?

Yeah. Go ahead. Okay.

Regarding the structure that's there now, when was that built?

I think it was built around 1930. I I couldn't find a lot of information on it. It's kind of a weird mishmash of a, you know, it's a small house. It it's pretty strongly, you know, Spanish revival, except it has that attached garage, but it's the garage is kind of offset at an odd angle, and I'm pretty sure that was probably added twenty or thirty years later. It wasn't you know, before World War two, people weren't really attaching garages to their house.

So that's, you know, that's part of the reason I didn't recommend it eligible because, you know, that that garage is projecting out there. It's kind of the first thing you see. So it's just it is an old house, but it's not a great example of any historic style.

It would be based on what are the house or structure that was there in front of you before, or is that the first house that was

I didn't really get into the prehistory of the site because, you know, I mean, that's always interesting, but it's not really it doesn't really affect whether this current building is historic or not. I I it seems like that neighborhood was generally developed in the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties. So I don't think so, but I I really don't know for sure. I'd have to pull

up the San Juan maps. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Don't know if this is a question.

I'm having a hard time seeing that on the I couldn't tell if they're really set back that much farther or if it's if it's just that there are trees and it's obscured. I I mean, I can see that the neighborhood in general has a lot a variety of setbacks. The block behind has very, very shallow setbacks compared to, you know, the street, Elmar. So, yeah, I'm not I would have to maybe look at a an aerial a winter aerial or something that to to compare those. Okay.

Yeah. I mean, I guess that that's the kind of question that's in the you know, up to the neighborhood, I guess. But something like that wouldn't really you know, if it was in a district and it was called out as a contributing feature, then, you know, it could be it could be, but it's not something that on its own when the property it's on isn't historic. It it's it's not you know, it's there's nothing aesthetic about it. There's nothing historically significant about it.

I mean, it seems kinda practical to have as a as a barrier. It might be a better sound barrier than a wooden fence. So I don't know. You know? I mean, I'm I'm not I'm I I'm agnostic about whether it should be preserved, but it it could be, and maybe it's you know, maybe it it it creates a better buffer between the residents and the and the commercial uses in the alley because that alley could also you know, that may be another reason that house was abandoned. The alley might be

You know, when you start. No.

I hear what you're saying. It does it definitely fits with the historic neighborhood. I don't know if it's structurally sound or or not or if they're yeah. It's not in good shape. So, yeah, yeah, it's the applicant says it's in in Yep.

For repairs. So Yeah. I I had some comments on that.

It is my favorite. Yeah. So what I was gonna say is is all

the houses were built in '37

to '39 that were all the way in

the one line there. The other larger houses are set back.

All of the style of Tudor is we will have

a larger living room coming out of that house itself is set back with two stories. And no none of the neighbors care about the Ivy. It's okay. It's you're welcome to take that down as you stretch it.

Okay. So the the tutors are l shaped, and the and so the main volume is set back, but there is there is a volume that comes forward. So I think it's not you know? Yeah. The taller part is is probably the

best, but not the whole house. I just wanted to mention I've located the $19.79 CPR on these four under houses, Uh-huh. Okay. We can put that on when we post public in our discussion.

Any anything else, or should I sit down?

I have a question.

I got it. Appreciate your review there. Thank you very much for the research.

With that same

Mhmm. Inscription matter. And taking that into consideration about our both smaller styles Mhmm. And comparing and including with that the neighborhood being built to support the. We also take into consideration, is it is it representative of the guards' guards'

guards' guards'

I always do substantial

amount of historic context work, and I always, you know, study the history of the air area because every building is constructed within a historic context, but, you know, not every building is significant within that historic context. So, you know, it is interesting, and and I'm sure it's related to the I don't have all the the whole history memorized. But, you know, since it's a big thing I mean, that house in its if it was in its original form and didn't have that garage, could be a district contributor here or somewhere else. It was originally kind of nice if very, very modest Spanish. You know, some people use Spanish eclectic.

McAllister is now using Spanish revival, so I've kind of gone in that. But, you know, you can say Spanish colonial revival. There's so it's it's not a high style, you know, architect design, but, you know, originally, it was a decent example. But given the the garage and just the general condition of the house now as I'm sure you all know, condition and integrity are not the same thing. But when the condition is so poor, like this house, it it does start to affect the integrity.

So this is a case where it all had to be looked at as one, and it just didn't have the significance and integrity together to, you know, to say this is a great, you know, this is a great little gem that we're gonna, you know, we're gonna step out to preserve because it's really worth it. I just you know, for me, for historic preservation, it's really to to maintain integrity of preservation, I think you have to be a little harsh about what you include. You have something has to meet the standards and, you know, not everything that's old can meet the standards. So that's kinda that's kinda my thinking, but I I love love to discuss the and the working class context and all that. Thank you.

Yeah. Okay. Anything else? No.

Thank you. Sorry.

I mean, there's every kind of neighborhood exists in Fantry or everywhere else, and there's every kind of combination of historic next to nonhistoric. I mean, it could probably be pushed back, but then, you know, I personally, I mean, I I have a one story historic house, and my neighbor built two stories next to me. And, you know, it it wasn't thrilled at first, but she didn't put any you know, she did privacy stuff. And to me, I would rather have it next to my house than over my backyard because that's I I spend a lot of time in my backyard. So, you know, I you can push it back, but then the new house doesn't really have a backyard.

It has a huge front yard, and then the neighbors are gonna have someone's windows looking into their backyard. Whereas, you know, when you have a house next to your house, it can't really you if you're inside, they can't really see you. You know? So to me, it's less of a privacy thing, but that's that's really not you know? That's I I'm just saying my opinion.

That's not really in the secretary's standards or part of the historic you know? I mean, setbacks are usually purely zoning unless it is a historic district, and this particular house is not in a historic district. And it hasn't been, to my knowledge, like, formally identified as a potential contributor to a potential district either. So, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Theoretically, it could be done. I don't know if it's desirable, and I don't know. You know, you have to ask staff if there's really a path to to force that to be done. Okay. Thank you.

Yeah. Any anybody else while I'm up here? Thank you so much.

Thanks, everybody. Still in public.

Are there any other speakers? Hello?

This is name.

Hi. My name is Mark Kelsey. I'm I live on Street. Just a note, I try to participate online. The sound quality is inaudible. It's just so garbled. I don't know if there's anything you can do about that, but it's, like, impossible to to hear what's going on online. So just a note. I had to run down here so I could participate. I live about little over a block away on Hilmar Street.

I formerly lived on this block of Hilmar Street, and it is a very eclectic neighborhood. I think we have a real dilemma here in that the current structure is bad, to say the least. But we wanna preserve the quality of the neighborhood too. And there are the larger houses tend to be in the middle of the block or toward the end of the block and farther up the block. This area of the block, my former house in Biltmore Street, one story, mostly one story on this block, one story on the block on the other side on Chapman, one story on the block on the other side on Camino.

And so I hate to see the beginning of large two story houses beginning to infill. There are other houses that probably will be torn down in the future. You can see the just the condition of them, but many people who have who have renovated homes in this area, our court is a great example, have kept the one story look. And and in in case of the neighbors behind me, they've gone down. Obviously, that's very expensive to build out a basement.

But I just can concerned that that we're we're we're this is the beginning of infilling with very large two story homes that'll overwhelm the look of

the neighborhood. I don't know

if the applicants have had a chance to speak to the intended use of the property, and I know that's probably not a consideration. But this this neighborhood has fought very hard against Airbnb properties. We had a real significant problem with the Airbnb property in this neighborhood, so we certainly are are wary of an Airbnb use. We're also wary of rental uses that are to extremely large numbers of residences. This is a narrow street.

Parking is an issue. Parking is gonna be an issue. The the traffic flow out of this street, up and down this street is an issue, so we are also very wary of density issues, and and maybe that's not a concern for a historic. But, again, this was a low density historically, a low density neighborhood, and it's certainly something we'd like to keep as as part of the character of

the neighborhood. So thank you. Thank you. Any comments? I

do appreciate that you want to do something with this property, and and I would say that I agree that it is you know?

What's the term? I'm not

thinking it on the top of my head where it can become even for most historical at some point to get involved out of. Don't demolition. That's it. Demolition, mind, and collect. Thank you. I think demolition, mind, and collect. Yes. So I can understand that. It is too bad. I do think this is representative of Santa Clara. It's general style. There's

I can name off four more

of them look just like it. The garage is odd. The rest do all have the garage in the back. I think we generally do have a thought of that when you're trying to restore a property, at some point, if you're restoring so much, it's no longer that property. Right?

And it's so I can understand that it may not be historical. It's too bad. It's very nice. So that being said, then it comes down to I think what everybody's been hinting at up here is the neighborhood. There's been one of the comments was that it was built for low resident fees, so low volume of the resident.

And I can see that street is very difficult. And I I get the point of that summer two story, summer one story. What does it look like in that area? And I think that for a new house, it's a great design as a new house standing by itself in a new neighborhood. I do think that it is a little to have the second story so close to the street when it's either one story surrounded or the second story starter.

You can see that if you drive. They've used the Google down the street. You can see how they've done some bit of. So it's not that there isn't some structure close to the street, but it's all one story. So I feel that it would bring down the be a detriment to the other homes of the ebb and flow of the street is the term we use quite a bit. It is when you're going down the street, is there there could be new buildings. There's not a new building at all. There could be remodels. But when you're going down the street, whether you're walking or driving down the street, does it stand out? Does it pull you out of that area?

So I am I totally understand. Wanna build a new house. I get it. I would just like to see that it be a little more on the second story setback. I don't think the first story needs to be setback at all.

The first story of the other homes are all setback or not setback. They're all about same. So, yeah, that's all I can. I

think I brought that. I brought that.

You guys were more they were talking about little paper

on their cows. I was just saying if it was pushed back, then I I'm just

saying if you if you push it back farther, there are

it's a give and take. There's push and pull different different effects on. So I was just pointing that out.

I don't really base it on.

Yeah. Let me clarify. I'm sorry. I don't mean move the entire structure back on the doctor's side. I mean, just making the second mass smaller so it's farther.

I think my concern It's it seems imposing for the neighborhood. It would be ideal for some modification to talk to them to make it fit in and just have a flow with the rest of the neighborhood. That would be, like, a suggestion. Not I'm not a designer or anything, but I just feel visually that would make your neighbor's happy and and us happy that it fits in

with the with that. Okay.

And their status. So very specific that we we all. That's why we have property owners that have actually performed the on, like, how this particular problem, like, proposal fits into this line, into this specific space, and it's very sensitive for us. So, you know, I personally have asked if the applicant would be unable to to kinda take us back and work with the neighbors to kinda figure out if there's a way to change your asking particularly on a second story, if you're doing want to continue ahead of the second story, like, on this particular proposal to to have said that, to have the last posting and Yeah. Of course, thank

you for all the questions and the stress you can start. First of all, to because we want to build the house to have a family that have two or three children with a husband and wife. So I think that four bedroom, three bedroom with one office right now most of

the time. So now you

work from home, you have office, so you want to have that option. In DocuSign, I understand the name of concern, but I have to talk to the architect, see what we can and cannot do. I first of when I design this, I want to make sure that the architects follow the guideline of the city because we have to have the guideline. I have to follow the guideline. I my background is an engineer, so I believe in the guideline.

So if I follow within the guideline, I should be able to build the house. So I understand the neighbor concern will not probably trying to do with the Spanish style. We I've been looking at the modern style before, but I want to plant it into the neighborhood. And but I also want to be able to have a a place where, you know, family would, you know, to treat children can grow in that house. So that's the reason why I'm gonna have this site, and I also want to, because of the neighborhood concern of of of privacy, the firewall make sure that all the window are placed and, you know, make sure that this you know, I press back.

I say I want privacy for myself. I want neighborhood to have private. And not only that, we want to have, you know, pro plan and to walk the view out from the neighbor to to our neighbors so we don't see each other. Now we can say hello when when you have my view in one neighborhood to see what we did. Right?

So, you know, that's now what I want

to do. I want to build

this house in that stand, and I want

to follow the guideline on the city. Whatever city allow me to do, I I want to meet that. So then engineer background, I I want to follow the guidelines, see the whatever the see allow me, and I do take the see the the neighborhood of feeling the are not measurable. But difficult because I don't I don't know. He might say no.

He's you know, we're within the guideline here, and if you want to put the four bedroom in half bath, then what you have to have? I I don't know.

Just the applicant's better on what our options are. Right? So if if you wanna keep and see.

If the abdomen wants to stay for the size and masking that it

is now and that meets the current code, and then let's say either there's two options. Right? Either we approve it or we deny it. If we approve it, it

just continues on the pattern. If we deny it, then our recommendation goes along to the next body. Right? And if it

if they take our recommendation and deny it and you have to come back to us, that's an additional cost too. So I just want you to be aware of

what happens in your options too. Am I correct? Yes. That's correct. Your recommendation if the commission approves with the with the contingency that the second store mass needs to be smaller, that gives you the opportunity to go talk to your

architect, see

if it's feasible, if you like it, if it meets. And then there's a continuous on our calendar,

and you can come back,

and there's no additional need for that. Correct?

I was just gonna echo what commissioner was saying. So, basically, the commission can make a recommendation to continue the item, which will give you an opportunity to go work with your architect and the neighbors to possibly redesign or make more locations. Alternatively, if you wanna report with the design as is, the permission can recommend denial tonight, and that is what the recommendation you would report with to the development review hearing, which is your next step. Hopefully, that is clear.

You can answer without hearing some. Everybody

So, yeah, it'd be good to know what your preference is as the commission continues to.

You know, I I I'm here. I have to talk with I can't sit in there.

Yeah.

And we would like to understand the the process of the engineering team. So

should we give this short pause and give it, like, five minutes? And Five five. You've got it all. Yeah. Oh, she's here? Like, because there's Mark saying that Sue Mukawa.

She's in.

No. I haven't received any emails. I sent the email. It said, COVID and Ruby are in the meeting and will be representing us.

Hello. My name is Ruby. I don't know if you can hear me. It's really sorry that we can't be there in person, but we really can't hear most of the community members when you talk. So we missed our last turn to to make our introduction. Sorry about that. Are are we on a break to before we continue?

We're gonna try break right now.

So we didn't move your item down because, like, we weren't able to get you on the soon. So I'm gonna do the presentation, but I didn't get too far on the traffic. So we're waiting to to get you on. So we can hear you.

Okay. Yeah. I can hear you better, but I could hear the speakers a lot better. I don't know if their mic is different. But yeah. I'm I'm really sorry that I I probably wouldn't be able to answer most of your questions for a while, but I'll I'll try really hard. Yeah.

Yeah. No problem. So we're wrap up on this item right now, and then we'll bring it back.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds great. Thank you.

So, yeah, we would like to have a

a continuation with your set name. It will be a really talk to the neighbors. Yes. You you you want us to on the 2nd Floor to order my client. I will ask my architect to see how we can work on that, and if we can help us, can we keep the square feet the same, keep the four bedroom, whatever, we will pass him to to see if we can do it.

I think that part if I can show up at top level, not not about the 1st level, the second story. So right now, I'm just curious. Maybe I have to go with the plan to see how Yeah. How many feet on the top. I'm gonna push it back.

Thank you.

I prefer, like, months.

Okay. Do you want me to have more discussions, or do you want any? I think the suggestion is for continuous insiders to base our base certain for this meeting on April 3.

I'll move the question. I move that we continue this item until our next meeting on April 2 when the applicant will come back on

April excuse me, April 3, and then we would have can Thank you. May I have a second?

Okay. I I heard my name, so I guess it's my turn. Right? Hi. Again, this is Ruby Ruby Ho. I represent the owner of this property. So we're proposing to build a single family house, 1,800 square feet, three bedroom, two bathroom with a potential ADU. So we believe that's gonna be a good opportunity for families, kids, and also possible for a multigenerational housing. We believe the design currently, it's in it complies with all the zoning code. It's in the architectural style.

It's in line with the neighborhood architectural style. So it's gonna be a quality boat. And then we also understand that we're adjacent to two historic building, which is a 610 And 690 Jackson Street. So in the future, during construction, we're gonna make sure that the contractors handle with care and follow all the city construction requirements, so the construction activities don't affect the historic building, across the street. So, I really wanna thank everyone, all the community members here to, for us to present our our project, our plan, and we believe this is gonna be a good addition to the existing neighborhood. Yeah.

Ruby, can you hear us?

Oh, oh, I can't hear you now. Sorry. It was silent for me for the past thirty seconds. Yeah. I can hear you now. Do

you have a presentation where where the Oh. Can you ask for speak more slowly? Oh, can

he speak a little bit slower?

Oh, okay. Yeah. Mhmm. Is there a question for me? Sorry. I heard I should speak slowly. And then yeah. That's it.

Do you have presentation today?

Oh, I'm sorry. I don't have a presentation today.

And I'll open it up for questions from your commission to you.

Mhmm. Yeah. I'll I'll try to hear everything clearly and and answer the questions. Yeah. But bear with me if I I can't. Yeah.

Okay. And then, yeah, if you

could just speak a little slowly slow slower in your responding. Thank you.

Got it. Will do.

Okay. Any questions on the commission for the ad at this morning? Next to you on that.

Is that commercial? Is that a rental? Do

you agree?

Oh, are you talking about next door? Yeah. I think next door is a a residential building. Yeah. And this little square thing, is there a cardboard? Yeah. I believe that's correct. Yeah. That's residential next door.

So Dan, correct question. Yes. So the first time it is the duplex. Let me see. 645 had a property on there back in 1965 or sixty eight hour in 1987, it was removed.

It's not where it was removed. Here is the permit that What was the? The house that was on 645 Jackson Street.

So you're clear then. 645 Jackson Street. This is

the empty lot of book at Hartford sticking out from the duplex, and it actually occurred at 06:47.

That's a May.

2PM.

I'm. 610 Jackson Street across the street from this property. And my request is just that the owner or representative of the owner reach out so that if there's any issues during the construction period, that we can resolve them. I've had difficulty getting ahold of the owner. There's been a large pile of trash on the property for some time.

It's removed, I think, yesterday. I approached us workers in the area, and I really like to see the trash removed. And so I just wanted to be able to have the applicant reach out to me and have them provide my contact information. We have another building that was being worked on in our neighborhood on Market Street. There was alarms that just kept going off during the night.

And, fortunately, neighbors did have contact information for the individual that owns the property, and she was responsive about getting that issue resolved that was in the middle of the night who's keeping most of us up. So we just like to have some way of resolving issues as they come up because there there will be something that happens. It would be nice to have contact with the So we are looking forward to having new neighbors in the I when I say we, my myself and my family, we're looking forward to having new neighbors. And I think the it looks very attractive. And I think, actually, the building the ADU is very clever.

And but it but it I think it fits the neighborhood.

Thank you for your comments. Yeah.

Should I respond now? Oh, so thank you, dear neighbor. We understand that there are concerns regarding trash on the site. Now we're aware of that. We're gonna go there tomorrow, try to get everything removed.

And meanwhile, I believe it's a good idea that we should leave contact information with you, with all of our neighbors so people can reach out to us when there is any concerns or emergencies. I'm just trying to figure out the best way to leave my contact information. Maybe I can email Daniel, and then Daniel can share it with the group. Is that something that works?

Yeah. That would be great. So Daniel bring up the the neighbor and we'll get a contact on him.

Okay.

Thank you.

Okay. Let me

clarify. Most of the trash was moved, I believe, yesterday. It's yesterday before. There is still a slight amount of trash on the property, but it might be sandbags. I can't quite tell because I did not go on to their property. But the all of the trash did get removed after I approached some workers the other day.

Understood. Yeah. I will make sure tomorrow the rest will be removed as well. Yeah.

Thank you for that.

Thank you.

Do I move post COVID?

The thought was when we're setting up and we're having all these issues that the mic would help that here. Yeah. But I don't know if that's not what's happening. So, Ruby, can you hear me now?

Yeah. I I can hear you very well.

Actually, it works better.

Yeah. So can we please stop using the mic so they connect?

But especially because there's, you know, no one in the audience now.

Okay. Ruby could hear you, but

she couldn't hear us on the mic. Oh, okay. Oh,

it's it's much better all of the sudden.

We turned off our microphones.

Oh, that's why. Okay.

This works. Okay. That's fun. Cool.

So my question for Britney. Can you hear me? Yeah. Is this for a family, or are they gonna live in this house, or is it a rental? I'm just curious.

It's gonna be a for sale property. We haven't decided we or who it's gonna live there. So meaning after completion, it'll be sold to, I think, very much likely a family judging by the floor plan and also the the neighborhood. It's great for families. Yeah.

Thank you.

Mhmm.

Ruby?

Yeah.

Are you the owner or you're the architect?

Oh, so the owner, it's an entity called seven a Holdings. So I'm the owner's representative, but I'm personally, I'm not a an architect.

So you're an employee of AR Holdings?

Seven a Holdings. Yes.

Okay. I have another question. Well, is there going to be a fence on the side that is adjacent to the duplex?

I don't I don't think the fence is in the current plan. We plan to leave it open, I believe. Yeah.

There now. It's put up a we very recently added a picture of it. Oh.

Okay. I was just curious.

Thank you. That's right. Sorry. Turn off the microphone. I'm so used to doing it now. Sorry. Put this over here. I I I appreciate that the scale of the the the building fits the scale of the neighborhood. Mhmm. It is a little modern, but it's not meant to be historical.

So, yes, thank you for putting it into the the context of the neighborhood.

Yeah. We think that's very important for us, for our neighbors, and for the future family who's gonna live there. Yeah.

Yeah. Think I think I I concur with the rest of the commissioners. Like, the it's a it's a little bit more modern, like, than a lot, the the buildings around there, but, like, it is, by definition, an infill project, And it is changing. It does fit the ebb and flow of that particular space, and it's not like a giant monster house. And when we're looking at how it relates to the historic properties, like, around it, and it it feels like it fits. So I'm I'm okay with this.

Mhmm. Thank you. Yep.

Any other comments? I would entertain a motion.

Alright. I'll make a motion. I move to approve the project as recommended by staff. Thank you. Do I have a second?

I second the motion. You second the motion? Thank you. Those who are in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Alright. Thank you. So motion passes. Three absence. So thank you for bringing this project forward. Thank you for for putting a new neighbor in place because it's been, like, empty lot for a little bit, so it'll be it'll be nice to see a new property in that in that particular space. So yeah. Thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for your time and consideration. We're also very excited to build this house in the neighborhood. Yeah.

Right. Am I allowed to ask one question?

Yeah. Maybe. Does seven A Holdings also own the duplex next door?

Yeah. I believe so.

Thank you. Thank you. Okay.

Move on to our next item on our public hearing. So we're back to item four.

It is the exclusion of landmarks commission work plan fiscal year 2526, and I'll send this over to staff.

Thank you. So this is just a a follow-up from our discussion at the last meeting. And so I yep. I basically updated the working draft that we reviewed together at the last meeting with the changes that we discussed. Perhaps I should have sent you a red line version so you could see exactly what changed.

But, essentially, I added in our street light banner project that wasn't represented here before, And I think that was mostly it, actually. I did remove item two original old item two because it was kind of overlapping with some of our other items. So if there's anything you want me to touch on particularly, I can go to that. But it's, for the most part, just in line with what we discussed at the last.

Grabbing my packing code instead of breaking all the way back. Hold on.

Can we verbally say some

of the stuff that are on there right now?

So our first four priorities are, number one is the ordinance update. Number two is local grant opportunities and preservation. Number three is education outreach. Number four is establishing Heritage Park And Center. Okay. So that's where we are, and we go back to the the original number one. Like, I'm thinking in terms of OKR. Sorry. I'm like, okay, or what? Objective one. So, like, what we have there are I found it. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Sorry. Yeah. I think those were

the four I recall. Yeah.

So the number one is historic preservation ordinance update. So we're looking at updating the let's It was update ordinance to facilitate recognition of neighborhood and historic zones, provide preservation and protection measures, and whole public input meetings. And then the second item on there is conduct comprehensive survey of neighborhoods with historical significance not yet on and not yet on HRI. So those are, like, the biggies we have for number one. And then on number two is to look for funding opportunities for grants and then develop a streamlined process for private owners to get grants and then then pursue large scale grants for community wide historic initiatives, including a heritage project that we that's on the floor.

And then three is education outreach, so hosting walking tours, lectures, and workshops, develop online content, distribute educational materials for residents, partner with local schools and organizations, create educational programs, and then our banner project falls under that. And then on four, it's established historic park at Civic Center, which is here. Research opportunity, the main portion of Civic Center Park as Heritage Park It includes interactive exhibits, memorials, and green spaces, engage with local historians, art history, secure funding for a development program, and launch a public campaign of race alerts and gather community input. So those are the main things. And then we have yearly stuff where we have to attend relevant trainings to keep up with our COG obligations.

So those are those are the main things for our whole plan this year. I have

a question. So the work plan for the year, because a lot of it's ongoing, that's okay. It can just we just extend it, and there's, like, no timeline that we have to follow or anything?

Not that I'm aware of. No. So I think, you know, as we continue working we get started on things and we have a better idea of how long it's gonna take.

On the website, why don't you leave it like is that? Yeah. It's actually making a model. Oh, yeah. My god. Alright. So on the website for the historical memory submission, already we're on I mean, preferably on the historical memory submission website, do we have, you know, a list of historians, like, where people if they want a DVR or whatever, are they just interested in, you Yes. Sort. So there is a list of, like, historians. What about historical architects, like, that specialize in. In?

Yeah. Yeah. It's on seamless. So it's, you know, the firm name and then what they specialize in.

And down on our website? Yeah. It is. Okay. Alright. Well, that's good. I mean, we you know, I as part of that, like, online content update, could be, like, highlighted with some, like, updating format or make it easier to navigate. It could be any of those things, like, if

you can't find it. Yeah. You know?

I wonder how the homeowners found the, you know, the young one who did the DPR. Yeah. Or the. Yeah.

Her background says she was, like,

in the Northern Bay Area. Just meth on it. Yeah.

Yep. She did some work in Puerto Rico too. That's pretty cool. And she does contact. Yep. Oh, see? That's great. Yeah.

I think the website to your point, I think the website's been updated recently because it's a little different, and I find it easier to find things now. Okay. Because I was looking, I think today when I was looking for, like, the I was looking for the HRI list, and it was prominent on our page, much easier to find things.

Mhmm. I think

there's a lot of content, more that, you know, we can do to help add to that as part of that work statement as our outreach.

So I'm glad oh, I was just gonna say that context says the work plans look okay because I we're not getting into the details right now, but that's what we want targeted to do for this year. I think so. Something

that was mentioned today, and I I think the ordinance will help take care of that because the DPR she had mentioned because while I was only looking at the house, not the neighborhood or any of the paths, in the neighborhood that wasn't part of my scope, so if we do add, like, district to ordinance, that would change how they do DPRs, I would imagine.

Well, technically, she oh, yeah. She did do a a DPR. Did a DPR in the house itself and looked at the contents of the She wasn't once she did the DPR, she wasn't analyzing how the new house would in. Right.

She didn't do the impact analysis, which is a separate document.

Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Or because she did give background on the history of the area, and that's Yeah. We got the conversation. But, yeah, I see what you're saying. But it's very clear that that wasn't part of my scope

to look at the The new. The new. Yeah. It wasn't part of the scope of what she was looking at. I mean, we're not discussing that item. Yes. Yes. But in in the context of, like, the the things that can be done.

Yeah. We'll see the process. I get your point. Yeah. If we add to the ordinance, then we can be clearer. Yeah.

I think there's a discussion point, like, as we're updating the ordinance, like, what is necessary for preservation, DPR, impact analysis, and stuff like that. But in in that specific item, it was the DPR was specifically to tell us it is okay to demolish the property. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Okay. Yeah.

I think I I agree with everything on here. It's very ambitious. That's why I was asking about the timeline. Right? Ongoing sounds wonderful. On items so some items say TBD for budget. Others are blank. Is there does it are we gonna get asked about that? Is there anything else that we need to fill in?

I think, yes, we're defining specific actions. A budget will come up, and we'll have to approve it at that point in time. Alright. We do have that chunk of money. So you know? We're looking at,

like, 96,000. I looked at this as 50,000 for this point and 50,000. Well, that sort of depletes what we have. So is some of that money coming from city manager's office as an allocation of budget?

I think that's a good question and something to bring up when you all are presenting to council because it is up to them to, one, tell staff to work on these things and make using the priority, and then, two, they can allocate funds to it. So my time is covered. Right? But, yeah, for the consultant, etcetera.

Are going to have to ask one more. That's why I'm anticipating. Yeah. Did did you offer a clarification about whether that fund that you fell, you know, or lenders at some point in time, or if

it's gathering interest? No. I haven't heard back, but I'll put it back to do this.

So, Rebecca, would you be the one who would go to city council and say, here's our work plan, and we would like a direction on this. And, you know, that would be a view. Yeah. Would be us. Yeah. Because last time Sheldon had said he would do that for us. I was just wondering what the process is.

Oh, so this is the new work done process for all the boards and commissions. So if you're on this event in advance of this direction coming from the clerk's office Okay.

To be ready. Super now. Tag team. Just just to clarify, what's the reporting period again for your early training? Is it June to, like, July 1 or June 30? Or is it

So for CLG, it's different. Theirs is,

like, October to September. Okay.

This work plan is fiscal year, but, I mean, whenever you do your training.

Yeah. We just go on our regular cadence for training and stuff. Yeah.

And when when will the presentation be?

Mayor. But

all the boards and commissions will be presenting. Oh, for the plan? Not at one meeting, but Okay. Time period. I know. Oh, yeah.

That's a long night. Great. Yeah.

Yeah.

I I mean, I I don't see anything that needs to be changed.

Thank you for believing in us. Yes. Thank actually really easy to get off for for screen. Yeah.

So my next step is to forward this onto the clerk's office and see manager for the review, and then we will get a date for the presentation accordingly.

Do you need a motion for doing file or forwarding? Or Oh, yes. Okay.

Yeah. Maybe just motion to approve.

Do I have a motion to approve the work plan? Yep. I have one quick note. Number four, establishing a heritage part of the. Is that supposed to be that way? Establish a heritage park at city center past the present Silicon Valley?

I did. So I took that from the original work, and I took that to, the potential name for the park or

something. Yeah.

I think so. I think that's what it intended.

I remember. Okay. Yeah. Just wanna make sure that was how we intended it.

You can put quotes right here. I Just a suggestion.

It's a work in progress. Yes. It could change. It could change. Okay. Sounds good. Do I have a motion? So we make a motion. I motion to approve the work plan. Thank you. Do I have a second?

I second.

Go ahead.

Second. I don't know. In favor, say aye. Aye. K. Ayes have it. Motion passes. Forwarding. Next item, 24, 25 bills after audit update.

Yeah. So this is the report pretty much spelled out what I just wanted to update you all on. I don't have a presentation or anything. But, essentially, we are making some good progress on the notes act audit. It is taking longer than I think I originally anticipated, but there are a 176 properties with in the city. That is inclusive of the walnut factory condos, though. So just some numbers. Oh, I'm sorry. I exaggerated. A 135. That that larger number is with the walnut.

With yeah.

So so far, we have heard back and got complete information from 65 properties. 11 properties did offer the on-site inspections we do offer, which, you know, it's taking a little longer as well because we don't want a staff member to go by themselves. We have to coordinate with two staff members to to get out to the property along with, you know, the homeowner's schedule. We have 36 kind of incomplete submissions, so we're working with them to get those complete. And complete is not to say in compliance, so that'll be that's our next phase.

We're gonna look once we get all the complete information packets, we're gonna determine who would who is not in compliance with their contract. We did have a second batch. So the second batch being those that were not part of our audit in 2017 because they've been added in between then and now. So we sent out 20 letters to those properties, so those are still pending. So right now, what we're thinking, last time we did the audit for the walnut factory, we did inspect each unit individually.

That was, like, you know, 10 staff members on a Saturday going to the property. So this time, based on that experience and what we actually got to see inside the unit, which wasn't as helpful, we're We're probably just gonna coordinate with the property manager, the HOA president, and do just an exterior and then interior shared spaces inspection rather than going at each individual unit seemed kind

of redundant a little bit.

The other thing is we do have some NOSAC properties. I'm sure you're aware that our, you know, our oldest NOSAC contracts from, like, 1994 when the program was first introduced. At that point, they were not required to have a ten year plan, which is interesting. So our intent is to have those with the older contract create a ten year plan now, and then those who have ten year plans that are expired to update those as part of this auditing process. At this point, I don't think necessarily we're gonna be able to bring back forward all of those to HLC for your recommendation.

It would be very overwhelming. So we might handpick a few or handpick a few that we think need your input, but we're still in we're still in flux on

that. So

next step, like I said, we are gonna be evaluating all the respondent materials that were submitted, see who is in in compliance with themselves and

try and bring forward you

know, try and get

them into compliance. So

I think you recall at the last audit, there were a few nonresponders or people who didn't respond at all. A couple of those are the same list, so I think we should at this point be moving forward with removing them from the program. We've done a lot of, like, investigative work to try and get in contact with, you know, the correct owners. Next step, we're gonna have our code enforcement, you know, actually, like, kinda serve them, but not as dramatic. Mhmm. But just bring a a hard copy of the letter to the those homes. Hopefully, we can get in contact with them. Otherwise, I think we've given them.

So there's a reason you can't get ahold of it all?

Yes. Or or who are choosing not to respond. I'm not sure which it is.

So they'll receive some kind

of letter if they're removed from the program. Well, we need engage them in the in the process of doing that. So Yeah. Code enforcement going to them would be, like, a first there it is. Just saying, like, hey. We're intending to review the contract. Yeah. Yeah. I do mean that's avoidable removal. Actually, going out to the homeless person, code enforcement can do that. Yeah. Okay. What is code enforcement and change in touch with them?

Do we need some kind of door? I'm sure they will. Yeah.

I'll get some feedback. I found it very confusing being on the list because my first letter said there was nothing I needed to do at all. So I didn't do anything, and then six months later, I got a letter saying that I was past due on doing it. So so I had to get back to them to find out. Am I what am I doing? So so then I did the whole thing, but it took a while. So very unusual. Are any anyone else on the?

I was fine. Yeah. Hope you responded. I wasn't the one who responded, but it was fine.

Yeah. So I, like, I literally only responded in January because I spent the first six months thinking I didn't have to do anything. It's a whole letter. So but I followed up, and then they clarified that, oh, yeah. You, no. You need to do it. I was like, oh, okay. Explain why some of the no responses. That's what it matters. Mhmm.

And I'm on the commission, and I would send.

So here's the letter that was sent.

What if they don't have a. Let's say it's a you know, they're renting out a property. The tenant offer to give the mail to the owners, you know, whatever. And then We have

the owner's mailing address separate from the property.

Yeah. So, theoretically, though, that for whatever reason, they don't receive the mail, they don't get in touch with gun enforcement, then they'll find out when they submit their taxes and that their taxes get returned because they don't have this they'll qualify for this tax break. I

mean, hypothetically, they would, yeah, get a notice from the county saying that they're That's a huge change. Great.

Life is changing. Oh, that's scary. It's a huge change. Yeah. Of the assessment. Yeah. And, I mean, that's why you have to go through the process because for us, it's a it's a huge change. Yeah. Okay. So we'll move on to the next one. This is an update. Item six is the historic preservation month twenty twenty five banner project.

I sent a PowerPoint or a. You want me to share it or you can Yeah. Go ahead.

This is a. Thank you. The only one. They're cool. I actually looked at them before. Yeah.

Yeah. They are. They're, like, loft style.

I know. I'm I'm gonna open it later because it's a video that I wanna look at. But

Very cool.

So was that the original? I think it's made about meatloaf ointment factory. Is that the one? Yeah. They just sort of

I mean, it shaped us somewhere, and they just separated out into. Okay. So it's all it's actually all lift work. Mhmm. So it's actually, like, the both, like, front, and then there's, like, like, loft. And there's, like, different types of units. And so so I was looking at one where it had, like, like, you know, a

lot of loft. About it. It has all the stuff on it.

That. Yeah. Yeah. Projects. Alright. We're out.

First slide.

Second slide. Oh, here

we are. Yeah. So we have some time constraints. I know last year, they helped facilitate that. I know nothing's gonna help it reach do that outreach. Lori Lee usually helps us with waiving the ninety day requirement on the banners. We're only, like, five minutes away. And then we do have to submit the images with the form in order to get approved, and sometimes that takes five to seven days. So it's gonna be tight, but is it okay to show you can go on to the next slide there.

We have new No.

There are actually we have 10 old banners, but artist was not able to do the five originally, and now she's got with Brady. She works for national parks. And with all the executive orders, it's really changed her job. So but she still wants to do it, so now we have 10 old ones plus the three that she's willing to do. Last year, we weren't able to get to Great America Parkway at all, which is over by the stadium area.

So there are three historic properties out there that Kathy Watnami at the time was very amped up about making sure that they were acknowledged, and that was the James Lake property, and that was the Agnew Depot and then the Agnew Club Tower. She felt those were special and should be recognized. So if if our artist could only do three, we thought, why not her do once over in District 1 For 3? If the commissioner commission thinks it's fine, we can move ahead with that. At least have the 10 old ones plus these three for 20 K. I'm sorry. Which which three? You said the The three the James Lick Mansion is one. The second one is the Admiral Depot train station there, and the third is the Admiral.

Quite pretty. Oh, yeah. And

Didn't we also talk about that we could reprint some of the old designs as well? So we have more. Our last motion, we set it at twenty three hundred. Okay. So that would definitely double our cost for this year if we were to do duplicate. So it's basically what we paid last year plus 10 more. So I don't know if that's reasonable. We could they could go, like, by the university, which same duplication there, but we have to change what we

voted on. The budget, we have to change. For '23 we'd have

to increase it significantly. And then that also increases the cost of installation as well. So for 10 banners last year, it was 500 to put it up and 500 to take it down, which was a total of 5,000. If we were to add another 10, that would be double the installation fee. Right now, it would be the 10 plus the 3. So a 100 another $300 there.

So I get what you're saying. Yeah.

You can go to the next slide. Those are some of the images from last year. I took the Ohlone one off because that's something we haven't been able to get an answer from anybody about. I know Rebecca last year, you gave us a contact, but they just didn't able at all.

Okay. If

you guys didn't get a chance to visit the banners on the street,

this is what they look like.

We went with our oldest properties.

You can start. Yeah.

So that would be, once again, on

El Camino. With Cameron working on

the other three images for those three properties, I guess we'd have to get an approval from the commission by email. Do you think that's possible, Rebecca? Mhmm. Since we know we're missing three here. We're gonna get it done by April 1. Right? I mean,

we have four up here or something. We haven't had. And she's still doing.

Yeah. Or else you can put it in the of the subcommittee. Maybe that's better. The subcommittee just makes the decision.

Yeah. Okay. You guys are okay. Yeah.

We'll put their three great properties. I think we also next slide. These are some of our options. Subcommittee discussed in our last Zoom meeting. You can go to the next slide. By the way, all those images, I know Michael and Cynthia haven't been to the the website. They're all posted there. So it's kinda neat that if you visit HLC, you could also look at Cat Bacon Del Camino, and you could enjoy it anytime of year on our website.

Thank you. Is that on the artist's web page? Can you see those? So

our options are to install the same 10 on El Camino plus their companion damage, which we have in storage with brief installation. That means no printing costs, just the installation, which would be a thousand dollars, plus the three additional banners that would be another so it'd be $1,300, the impact of choosing option two. Option b, that explains the it's on the same page here. We recommend the banners for which I just mentioned, James Lick, Agnew Depot, and the Agnew Black Tower. Do you need to vote on that, or you want a picture of this? I just wanted to make sure you guys knew what those three were. Yeah. We we put that

in the boat. Yeah. Yeah. And,

of course, you we do have the companion banner ready to go, so it just be a

matter of printing them out.

And the companion banner is the blue one that you see, and it pairs up with each one of them so that they know that it's HLC that's sponsoring this. Kathleen made a good point. She said that some of the re the writing on the companion banner was difficult to read and even some of the images. We can't change what's already printed. Images are quick, but we can change the font going forward. It won't be a big deal, but if the commission thinks that's a better choice to have bigger writing Walking by, it seemed okay. Driving by,

it was hard to read some

of the smaller prints, especially when it was, like, white on blue that made it I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but I drove by a couple times. Rebecca, can you go back to the slides number three? And you can see the companion banner. Can see the blue one.

That's one data point. But, you know, if you can't see it, a lot more people can see it. Because it's the lamp lamp lamp that we're talking about. Right? Mhmm. Yeah. But I I I know what you mean. It blurs out for me a little bit. Yeah. It's not like the sky.

We can add a shadow to some

of the light. That might actually make it more blurry. You might make it blurry.

I think it's just the where the bottom I think the top part, the Santa Clara Historic Preservation Month, is big enough. Think I when you get down to the sponsor, the Historical Landmarks Commission, that gets pretty small, but you're driving by. Yeah. There. Some color? You know

mean? Yeah. K. Maybe in the future when we have more money, we can

swap out the There you go. There you go. And moving forward, like,

trying to follow the. Mhmm. Like, is changing the font help as well? Because that's, you know, we're

The script. The script.

It's kinda cursive. Yeah. Because the script is gonna give a Otherwise, you know, maybe even just putting it

all up. That's a sample. Yeah. I remember that last time. Yeah.

Yeah. That was

just a sample.

Yeah. Yeah.

And maybe if you stay for the block font or something. So getting rid of the strike.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would defer for a subcommittee on the the design if if that's a redesign decision, you know, to to make a whole deal. It would be much simpler. Yeah. The one that's legible. And then we need to provide it by the original designer.

And when we have to create a sample of that?

Oh, she's gonna be able

to design. Yes. She would adjust it, and then we could just reuse it. There's a cost if you ask the printer to design. It is now going from a $100 to a $150 an hour. Oh, wow. Increase to use their graphic designer. So using camera makes a huge difference in our, you know, savings in using this project. Yeah.

I saw that she's willing to do that for us. That would be great. Super kind.

Everybody thinks just the 10 plus the three this year, and then go all out and find another artist who could do more.

Yeah. I mean, we can rehearn after the the month, right, to figure out what we wanna do for next year. But, like, for this year, I'm okay with the three plus the the 10 previous, and then I would defer like, I I I agree with the theme for the three, and the design of a different perception. Mhmm. Yeah.

She's very good at the WPA style, so I I trust that. It's what you're looking at. If you can go forward another slide, Rebecca. It has a nineteen thirties. Catholic Yes. I forget what it stands for, but it it's actually sponsored by the National Park Service, and it's workers Work Progress Administration. There you go. Work Progress Administration. It's a it's part of the Great Depression. Yeah. And and the great

Yeah. The New Deal. It's part of

the New Deal. Yeah. So all the stuff from the thirties had that style, which is actually very similar to our logo. If you look like on this podium, it's very similar style. It does have a the right. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, I think her mission in my slightly very close. Double checking checking. So I think we chose that because it it ended up being very graphic that you could see as you're going by. It's very simple.

Works progress administration. It's part

of Works progress administration. It's part

of the program where they employed a lot of artists at the time to do

a lot of public projects. That's post office, the tea thing.

That's one of those projects too by a Russian artist. That's actually WPA work. So we have Yeah.

It's pretty cool. And there's also, like, the the artist drawings of the four houses is in the con library of congress that was also done That's great. Yeah.

Part of that program. So we're in

the library. You should highlight those on the website.

I was just

adding this to my notes. I know. The teeth part. Now some of the what we didn't discuss and its potential from the previous list, we had, like well, obviously, for next year, and Jameson didn't get any blood this year again. So Mhmm. Had rash. So we did add them. It was this the Stanford University Observatory, which

is Right? Yeah. Mhmm. Oh, yeah. I

love that.

And their fourth grade is the same. It's on the filmmaker years ago. It's good.

Think it's very much observed on tour. That was really

And we're having a big sports here next year, the Washington Park on Baker's.

That people forget that it

sits, that Washington Park. That's pretty cool. And the monastery, and there's a few other things that need to add. Just what we mentioned today, the and some And I don't know how International Sleep Center could fit into this, but so it's not a sport, but it's just it's produced since 1928. All these. I mean,

we don't have it designated, but, like, it is part of the fabric. It's a history of the the city, so we should think we should put that on the list

for consideration. Orchards isn't a historic property. Exactly. Right? That is what we were. But it's what we were. Yeah. So there's some things that may not exist, but it's what we were. You know? Because what we were talking about with next year, and it's a sports year because there's all

these big things coming up here, and we have

a sports And we're in America. Yeah. Yeah. Sports team. For

those are great things for the next year. We have that on the board plan. We just start working on that earlier Yes. In the in the fourth year to get us queued up. Because, like, I think we need we do need to have more discussions on, like, what to do. Mhmm. And, like, we're we're gonna get a budget and how we're gonna ask for it and that kind of stuff. But, like, for this year, which will work the same manner plus 10, and then we're gonna defer a lot of the decisions to the subcommittee. So

I

got it. And then do Unsign it. Do we need to increase the budget that we already For the other three?

Well, we said 2,300, so it's 16 for the printing. So plus three more. That's probably gonna throw it back to 2,000 feet. Right? And then, of course, his installation, which is a thousand. So that's you're you're up to four. Okay. Or maybe even 35 or something like that. So it'll be slightly open. But we could can we go later to adjust it? Or

I I would go high.

Go high and just kinda

Yeah. Just that buffer. Okay. And then, yeah, I think I think we have a plan budget, budget budgeting things over there and then, like, how much this is gonna cost and kinda look at escalations and stuff like that. Like, what we present to the city council, we're

gonna have to ask for a little bit more on

that regular budget Mhmm. To make up for some of this. Right. Yeah.

Because I think for 2026, they're probably gonna see history there. You know, with all the visitors coming by, it's gonna be big years. You know, we both So

have you already done in part half of your week?

I have not yet, but because I thought I was gonna wait for the design, but I'll call her tomorrow, okay, just to let her know what we're doing Okay. And that we're waiting on those three images. Okay. Would that be enough for her? Or Yeah. Just to just confirm that, you know, she'll be waiting. Waiting. Okay. Yes. Okay. Alright. I think I missed that part before. Let me write Yeah. For myself. And so for next year, we're be mindful of the '19 Oh, yes. Okay. Alright. No one is, like, pressured these portrait. And then I'm sure it's aware that Elizabeth has we can have Elizabeth contact, or I can call her by his cell phone and just say, get ready. You know? Same thing next year. Okay. Here it is.

Yeah. And your target installation date, I think you have

April that's what we did last year. And then we allowed us extra time given the cost of installation. She so instead of thirty days only, we were allowed April to June. It was supposed to be May 10, but until Reese came back and said, I'm really busy that weekend. I can't take it down. So it stayed up. What happened? You're like, hey. We got to leave it. So it's nice. I mean, it was super nice. Thanks for doing it. And that would be like to be the same. They can get the biggest bang for a buck.

Do we media motion? Right? For all those?

The motion to approve a higher budget and the motion to defer approval of the three new manners to the

second. Yes. And the redesign of the companion. Yeah. Mhmm. Single. And then Yes.

So last year, we spent 23, and then now we're adding 300 plus installation across the printing banners. 35? No. 35. Okay.

I'm gonna

make a motion. Okay. Do I have motion? Okay. I move that we go with the original 10 plus three new images with an increased budget to $3,500 to cover the cost of the new images. And that's it. Subcommittee. Oh, the subcommittee will defer to the subcommittee on the design of the three images. Approving the design. Approving the three the design of the images. Thank you. Do I have a second? Second.

Thank you. Those in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed? I'm sorry.

Think Motion passes.

One thing we wanna do, like, last year, and I think you helped us with that, Rebecca, was making sure we have the parts office cabinet so that we can put an homage to the artist. Like, thank you for doing this for free Kind of thing and to showcase venue, not just the 10, but the additional three. And then there was social media that you also helped us with. And I believe they put banners up so that council could see it. So adding the three to the website in addition to the other 10. You want full visibility. Good point.

The cap was just for me, though. Right? Or, like, a few day you know, a week in advance or something. Yeah. So this weekend, like, preservation month online. There was

a question from Harris last because he loved being part of the banner program. Yeah. If there was a way where people could do a walking tour or if there was an announcement saying, this is how you enjoy the banners. I'm like, I wasn't sure how to execute on that, but I wasn't an idea about that.

I mean, it would just be, like, on social saying like that this is where the banner is located. What we did.

Yeah. But they wanted, like, some kind of legends. It like They went out and Oh, okay. Like They were part of company that they the street. Yeah. It's all like, this is what this banner means, and this is what Oh, they want more details so they could have a little bit about hair salon. Yes. I see. Yeah. It's like a cross promotion of each place. Yeah. Oh. I mean, it's a new idea. We

can put that on, like, the our educational item on the work plan. It's something to think about. But, you know, it's it's probably going to be a collaborative effort in some way in general making that conversation. So