City Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening and welcome to tonight's Sandusky City Commission meeting, August 24th. We're going to have an invocation offered by Commissioner Peugeot followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

Heavenly Father, We come before you today with grateful hearts, thankful for the opportunity to gather in service to the residents of Sandusky. We ask for your wisdom, guidance, and discernment upon the city commissioners, city staff, and all who are entrusted with decisions that affect our community. Help us lead with integrity, fairness, compassion, and a commitment to the common good. Lord, we also pause to lift up Louvada Wilson and her family and thank her for her service to the city of Sandusky. In this time of loss and remembrance, we pray that your presence will bring comfort, strength, and peace to LaVeda and her family. We pray for the citizens of Sandusky, for our first responders, educators, businesses, and community organizations. Unite us in a spirit of respect and cooperation as we work together to build a stronger and more vibrant city. May all that is said and done during this meeting be guided by wisdom, civility, and a sincere desire to serve others. In your holy name we pray. Amen.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Ms. Myers, will you call the roll, please? Yes, Mr. President. Mr. Crabill? Here. Mr. Peugeot? Here. Mr. Tucker? Here. Ms. Fargo? Here. Mr. Waddington? Here. Mr. Koontz? Here.

Commissioners, you have before you the minutes from the August 10th regular meeting. What is your pleasure?

Madam President?

Yes, Commissioner.

I move approval of the August 10th meeting minutes and waive the reading thereof.

Second. There's been a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Hearing no objection, that motion is approved. Tonight's first opportunity for the meeting tonight is a presentation by Mr. Chip Maroos and John Sines from Battery Park Update. So I'd like to welcome you up to the podium. That'd be great.

Good evening, everybody. My name is John Saenz. I am director of development for Moose Development Group. We are in our second year here in design and implementation of the battery district. You can see we're in the process of the brand recognition here on the first slide. So kind of want to just catch up with the commission and let you know where we are at with the project, some of the progress that's been made, and some of the things on the horizon. If you go to the first slide there, kind of recap of the project. The project still consists of housing, hospitality, dining, recreation, boating, and public spaces. None of the project matrix have really changed, so all that design parameters are holding true. As we move through The project, we were awarded from the state of Ohio a brownfield grant, which allowed us to remediate and also allowed for the installation of a significant amount of infrastructure. And when I say infrastructure, that includes the water, the sanitary sewer, and the storm sewers. All covered under that grant, so we're very thankful for the state for that help. But that's the work you see out there if you drive by recently. So it is a significant amount of stone brought in that was the remediation of the soil, engineered fill was brought in to replace all that. So in order to do that there was a lot of trucks going back and forth to get to that point. The site is as part of that brownfield will be teed up with those improvements like I mentioned, but also the building pads will be identifiable. So you'll be able to see and notice center line of the road, where this pad is, where that pad is, so everything will be set to establish grades, which is exciting. As I mentioned the grants, one of the other grants that we've been working on in the past was the Big P, which is a boating infrastructure grant. It offsets some of the costs involved in providing amenities to transient boats. That was almost $500,000. We also received capital improvements from House Bill 730. That was $490,000 that we can implement into the Migs Auto Court and the Migs Pier transition area. So those two smaller grants, but also help kick off important parts of the project there. But one of the exciting ones recently was the TMUD, the Transitional Mixed Use Development Grant, also from the Ohio Department of Development. That was a $20 million award. So that is a significant piece to the capital stack for this project. So current budget, we're looking at estimates $230 to $250 million for this project. So those two pieces alone account for some of that remediation, but also are a great foothold for the rest of the financing. as we go out to different individual lenders for the different pieces. The project as a whole, you'll see some new images. We got the website landing pages up and running. So Battery Park, thebatterydistrictlive.com. You can find and keep updated. So there is ongoing newsletter and things that will be pushed out. So you can definitely go on and sign up for updates through there. Sorry, I go fast. But we could talk about some of the individual parts. As we went through the branding process, the battery lofts and the battery collection are the two residential pieces. So like I said, metrics are the same. So we're still looking at 193 for rent market, market rate apartments, and then around 60, 66 condos. We do anticipate that number could vary. People could combine condos. We're trying to find the sweet spot in those floor plans right now. And that leads into kind of where we're at with some of the design. WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE FIRST BUILDING FOR BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS THROUGH THE CITY. SO THE MARINA SERVICES BUILDING HAS BEEN SUBMITTED. SO THAT'S ABOUT A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT IT'S IN THE TITLE. IT'S THE MARINA SERVICES. SO IT WILL HOUSE ALL THE AMENITIES AND BACK OF HOUSE ITEMS THAT WILL SERVICE THE MARINA AND ALL THE MARINA OPERATIONS INCLUDING THE FUEL DOCK AND ALL THE UPGRADES. Battery collection, I think the slides are just rolling here, but the battery collection is the condos that sits three stories of condos on top of the first floor retail. So we're still looking at about 54,000 square foot of retail, and that includes the standalone building six, which is at the cul-de-sac at the east end of the project. So no changes there. One of the key buildings at the intersection of Migs and Water is the hotel. So around 130 keys with some event space in there. It's going to be a boutique hotel. We've had great conversations. I think it'll be up to Chip to really pick who goes in there versus us having to go chase someone. So I think a great boutique hotel will come in and fill that spot. So those conversations are going great. The 54,000 square foot of retail. We've had great market response in LOIs in regards to some of those spaces. Great regional reaction and then some a little bit more outside the box thinking too. So exciting announcements to come on that. So that'll come through press releases either via the website and we're also kicking up the social media. Imprint will definitely be kicked up over the next couple months. As the slides continue, you start to see some of the work that was done with the remediation. The pool's gone. That support building is gone. The sea of asphalt has been remediated and is gone. Some of the next steps on the horizon, we've filed for our Buster, our underground tank removal application. So as we work through the state and our environmental consultant, that'll happen still this year. We are looking to bring in temporary fuel tanks. So it'll be a kind of a quick switch there from the underground tanks will be switched over to temporary tanks and then the underground tanks will be removed and disposed of and the testing around there will be completed yet this fall. Our goal has always been to try to complete the brownfield work by the end of this year. So it kind of gives you a kind of a kickoff in the schedule on where we're at. We would like to roll right into some of the next scopes of work, which would be the MIGS Auto Court, some of the work on MIGS Street Pier, the Marine Services, like I mentioned, and then we're going heavy into the design of the condo building and the apartment building and the standalone retail are all moving forward. We've also had some good conversations in coordination with parking garage designers and how that reacts and fits in with the other buildings. So that overall design and planning is moving very well. We're getting into the details here on park furnishings and things like that as we dive into this next round of design. We've had some great meetings even yet today with some of the local companies looking to partner up on this project, which is a great opportunity. that we see is continued success as the project continues to grow and come out of the ground. Chips here, I'm here. I babble all day if you guys will let me, but I'm also here to answer any questions you guys have, so fire away.

Commissioners, does anyone have any questions for Mr. Maroose or Mr. Saenz this evening? Mr. Crable, Commissioner Crable.

Recently, in the last week or two, there was some social media comments being made about people wouldn't have access to fish from the pier. It was going to be eliminated through the whole project, yada, yada. I know better, but could you address that?

Yeah, so I would love to say there won't be any interruption with access to the waterfront, but it is a construction site. Those posts were, we'll call them, inaccurate from my point of view. There has and always will be handicap access. if you're familiar with that step off and the transition period between Migs Pier and kind of the parking lot there, it is not handicap accessible. It's barely vehicle accessible. So there are some rocks in there and the idea, I think you're referring to the one where there was actual signage up there, and that just speaks to ADA accessible path. So we want, if someone wants to get accessible out to the pier, There's specific ADA handicap spots that'll lead you to a handicap ramp, that'll lead you to handicap sidewalk, and then you discharge down onto the Meg Street Pier. It is a bypass, but it's nothing that's changed in 20, 30 years. It's always been that way. We met with some of the community representatives even this evening and we're going to make sure that that's addressed and people understand that that is accessible and it's just a knock on the door and we're happy to facilitate that from the Marina Services.

Appreciate that. Thank you, Chair. I'd like to ask, pivot a little bit to the Snusky Bay Pavilion property. We've had Kids Fest is still there, adjoining property there where the park is between the Yacht Club and Battery Park area. And then the Maritime Museum, there's only like two events there a year. And I was hoping going way back, I might have mentioned it to you, Chip, going way back, leave it as a passive park, maybe some pathways, nice restroom over there for folks. We have a lot of folks that walk and bike now, and we got the pathway going. They could come along there. Did you guys have any plans for that? It was kind of like...

For the last four or five years, I haven't heard a whole lot about that or any updates as far as... Well, originally, we had to put some plans together for the city to do something, so we handed that off to you guys. In our development, we have no responsibility to do that part of it, but it needs to be done. I think it definitely will enhance our whole project in the neighborhood.

I guess we have a million dollars that's going to be going for that from our money.

I'll take it.

Michelle over there. We get committed for that. I just hope it's a nice park that everybody can use. If you're out walking or riding a bike, stop, put some benches. What a great view. It's five acres. Big park.

I think, Commissioner Waddington, that is on our own-ness to do that. there are agreement with them and so I think it's been kind of waiting to get their project up and going to make sure we can put ours together that looks you know compatible to it yeah thank you so it is gonna get done eventually and we're just we just didn't want to do something that didn't work right away and didn't match didn't go with things so I agree with you though it needs to be walkable and utilized and we do have a lot of things go on there so

And that's kind of the limit of your guys' street improvements right there. And that's where the MIGS Auto Court kind of picks up right where your bike path and all that new intersection right there, all those improvements, dollars spent. The MIGS Auto Court continues that to the water. And then it also gives you a great kickoff. So there's seven, eight parking spaces there now. It goes to 24 or 27. And then, again, it's... it's accessible. If you walk out there now, there's nothing flat. You'd be surprised we're so close to the lake, but there's undulation of several feet in that area. So that all gets flattened out, becomes accessible, bikeable. We're tying into the bike path, so all that works out really well.

The next street gets raised two foot, so everything will be the same level.

Commissioners, any other questions? I had a question about, you mentioned the parking garages, John. At one point we talked, there might be two, there might be one, you might have parking lots. Where are you on that then?

So it's still planned two parking structures. So it's just under 1,000 parking spaces project-wide. But yeah, that's the plan. And we've worked with... We've been progressing designs on each building to a point because they are either touching or relatively close. So you can't design one without progressing the other. So we have brought in specialists. post-tension concrete buildings. So we've brought in those specialists to make sure we're looking at the right column spacing, the right layouts, the right integration to the building next door. In the next few months, if you're walking, you'll see hundreds of boring stakes in. That's where columns are going, and they're going down the bedrock. So we're going to find out exactly where that bedrock is and how tough it is. per hammer hit. So there'll be a lot of stakes going in and you'll really start to see the footprint of each building as those skeleton parts start to come together out there.

Okay, thank you. Thank you. Anybody else? Thank you very much for coming in and giving us an update. Okay, next on the agenda tonight, we have an appeal for use of variance denial by BZA for 337-339 Camp Street. And I believe Adam will be coming up.

Yes, thank you, Madam Chair. Appreciate it. So pursuant to Section 1111.07 of the Sandusky Codified Ordinances, The applicant has filed a request with the Clerk of City Commission to appeal the Sandusky Board of Zoning Appeals decision to deny their application for a use variance at 337 to 339 Camp Street. The use variance application aimed to reestablish a third dwelling unit on the property. This is not permitted by the property's current zoning district, which is R2F, two-family zoning district, which only permits a maximum of two dwelling units on a property. There's already an existing duplex on this property facing Camp Street. However, this is an existing accessory building. So let's jump into a little bit of context here. So on the left-hand side of this screen of this slide, you can see a location map with the subject property outlined in yellow. The existing detached building, the accessory building, is outlined in red. And then on the right-hand side of the screen, you can see our zoning map, which the property is, again, outlined in yellow. And that building, if you can see it there, is... on the portion of this property zoned R2F, orange, two-family residential. Other useful context for the commission includes existing conditions on this slide. So here's the existing duplex from Camp Street on the left and on the right from Melville Street is the subject building. So the applicant recently submitted to us some renderings of what they hope a third dwelling unit and associated exterior improvements would look like. And it's structured as the left is current or hopeful before and the right is a hopeful after. So this is from Melville Street looking east. And this is again from Melville Street looking east. Lastly, from the interior of the site looking west or out toward Melville Street. Here's a proposed floor plan provided a few months ago by the applicant. Planned improvements. If approved, the applicant intends to apply for building permits to promote upgrades to electrical, plumbing, HVAC, replace existing doors and windows, remodel the kitchen, install new flooring, paint interior and exterior, and pave the parking area. Which brings us to a background of where all this case has been. So on March 4th, 2026, the application for the use variance was submitted. And then on April 16th, 2026, the BZA voted to postpone the application at that point. So it's important for the commission to understand that Planning and zoning staff recommended approval to the board on five basic points of analysis, which I'll quickly run through. First is that the Sandusky Comprehensive Plan and Strategic Plan, the AARP, and the American Planning Association all promote something called accessory dwelling units, or ADUs, as a strategy to create additional housing options. Second, accessory living accommodations, that's a term defined in the Sandusky Planning and Zoning Code, currently enables property owners in residential zoning districts to expand their livable space into traditionally unfinished areas such as a detached accessory building like this. However, as written, it doesn't permit fully built-out residency as it's being proposed. Third out of five the subject building was constructed in 1958 which was after zoning was first enacted and it was reported to be a dwelling as recently as 2014 but There wasn't any evidence that was able to be provided But that's what was told to us by the applicant the design of the building its location on the lot it being a through lot as having two frontages As well as its alleged past land use, make full-time occupancy a reasonable consideration for a future use. Fourth, the proposed dwelling unit meets the minimum standards for livable space according to the closest fitting standard, which is for multifamily units. That's at 475 square feet. Lastly, for the analysis, the reestablishment of a dwelling unit would not overcrowd the land, present an excessive concentration of population, or deprive neighboring residents of sunlight or air. As long as building codes are met, this would be an appropriate addition to the neighborhood. Then after voting to postpone or table the application on June 25th, the BZA voted to take it off the table and ultimately voted 3-1 to deny the application. On July 20th, the applicant filed their appeal with the Clerk of the City Commission, which brings us to today, where it is requested that the City Commission hear this appeal. That applicant is here tonight and make a decision on this matter. It is further requested that this legislation be passed in accordance with section 14 of the city charter to promptly act on the appeal. Thank you. I'm here to answer any questions and as I said, the applicant's also here. Thanks.

Commissioners, do you have any questions for Adam tonight?

No.

Thank you, Adam. Okay, anyone tonight with comments on tonight's agenda can please step to the podium and state your name and your address, and please limit your comments to three minutes. Come on down.

Greetings, Commissioner. I haven't been in a commission meeting in 43 years. And my name is Donna Schramm. And I live at 7513 Cordova Circle in Naples, Florida. I was born and raised in Sandusky. And although I live in Florida, this is still my home. And I just went to a party with some of the people in the audience. We had a birthday party for, in fact, Mr. or Dr. Koontz, your brother was there too. We had a good time. Well, anyhow, I was founder of Sandusky Bay Development. And my company was the first leaseholder of Battery Park. And I shouldn't say Battery Park. I should say Battery Park Marina. It wasn't the park. The overall project was to renovate the marina, the slips, marina center. We were going to put in a restaurant and relocate the tennis courts. We relocated the entrance to the marina to stop the direct surge. During that time, we were emphatically told that we could not touch the historic Battery Park. The park area was off limits and also was Meck Street Pier. That is why I was so shocked when I heard that this developer was going into the park and putting up private condos. It just shocked me and shocked all my friends and all the citizens of this city. That is why I'm here. I reviewed the proposed plan and placement of the park area. And from my experience with Battery Park in my years in commercial real estate, I believe the proposed placement area is not good for visibility or value to the public. I am not opposed to development. I'm a developer myself. But I believe this property should not be developed, the Battery Park. Historic 200-year-plus park. And I don't think we should sacrifice our park for capital gain from a developer. I came back to Sandusky this week for the SHAS, the 75th birthday, and everybody came up to me and said, oh, please try and stop anybody from developing the Battery Park. I said, well, I'll try. I said, it is a new committee. I know the committee last year probably approved everything, but I really think you should consider looking at the residents and what they want. And it's one building. It's building number four. Just take that out of the equation, relocate it where the parking lot is, tennis courts were, and build a pie.

You don't have to spread it out. Thank you, Mrs. Schramm. I'm sorry. We're at our three minutes. I appreciate your comments.

I do have a handout, and I'd like to give that to you.

Sure, absolutely.

Okay, thank you.

Ma'am, I can take it. Ma'am.

Thanks, Chief.

Come on down.

Tim Schwanger, 362 Sheffield Way. Item number seven, which is the Battery Park Agreement. When we get to that point, can we get a detailed, not a Reader's Digest version of what the amendment actually is to the agreement? It mentions amendment, so there must be something in there that needs to be gone over, please. I met with the Maroos contingent at 2 o'clock with a couple other folks, and we worked through a couple of things, one of which is the handicapped vehicle access to the Mick Street Pier, and we've talked through that, and I think they maybe have already contacted the city about what they want to do with that until they start doing something on the pier in the interim. One of the things we talked about is making the Mick Street Pier pretty but not losing any of its ability to continue to be used as it has in the past. And specifically, you mentioned Mr. Crable fishing. There are some people who felt that fishing was going to be eliminated altogether, and you're right, and I straightened that out. We straightened that out on Facebook. The concern is that currently for the last, I don't know, 50 years, there is a big fishing tournament, number one, that comes to town every year. It's called the Fall Brawl, and it's a walleye tournament. There's a lot of fishing at night. That's the best time to do it. Under Bruce Brothers' proposal, that pier would be closed at a certain time in the evening. We didn't get a time when it's dark or dusk or whatever. That's a concern. So we need to make sure that we're not taking away something that we've been able to do for eons. Whether it be added security, maybe some kind of a fence at each dock slip, not the entire length of the pier, but each dock slip for protection, for safety, whatever. As Ms. Shroom mentioned, this park is 208 years old. The biggest contention on Facebook, social media, the people that call me, the people that talk to me, is the fact that we're basically cutting that park in half for private development and moving park space away from where it's at now. We talked with Maroose Brothers about shrinking that building, go up instead of out. really didn't get much of a reaction other than the fact that the higher up you go, the more it costs to build it. So new commission, need to think about what Ms. Schrimm and I said. I don't know if there's anybody else going to talk about it, but please think about it. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Evening, commissioners. My name is Ethan Unziker. I live at 904 Decatur Street. Been a Sandusky resident for the better part of 15 years. It's been a little over a year since our city started using flock cameras, and now Sandusky PD is asking for money for more. I know they're specifically asking for Axon brand, but the principle is the same. From the meeting minutes of last year, June 23rd, former Commissioner Mr. Murray says he remembered when this legislation came up 10 years ago. It was just a concept. At the time, the commission passed for a combination of things. It was expensive. There were some unanswered privacy concerns. But now, 10 years later, he said these bugs have been worked out and privacy issues are addressed. That's false. It's still expensive. 160k over five years is what PD's asking for. Not to mention the cost of offsetting the vandalism that these devices usually engarter. Privacy is still an issue. Austin's PD found that over 20% of ALPR database searches locked proper documentation or justification in violation of the department's own policy. So there's clearly not enough safeguards on the software side. He also said that they only take pictures if there's a warrant or the car is stolen and it's reserved for 30 days. That's false and misleading. ALPRs take pictures of every car that passes. Chief Oliver even said that it's running against a database. If it's running against a database, you have to have a picture before you can compare it to a database. He says if it comes back that the individual has a warrant, they get notified, but he said that's few and far between of what FLOC is actually for. Additionally, these cameras are not simply taking a static frozen picture in time. They track your movement throughout the city. According to Chief Oliver himself, he says this is more than just tracking stolen vehicles. This is an investigative tool for law enforcement and it's a nationwide system. Former Commissioner Murray said it connects the dots in a very important way. We know this is the case because a man in Wisconsin was tracked across state lines and targeted for marijuana possession. I am a lawful marijuana user, but I also have family in Michigan. I don't want to be targeted for visiting my family in Michigan because somebody thinks I might be buying illegal marijuana. We know ICE routinely accesses these cameras to track people they suspect of being guilty of a civil infraction of being undocumented. Chief Oliver also said, it's an investigative tool to further law enforcement. If we have an incident, there's a witness, there's a white Buick that left the scene, we can search white Buick. It may not lead us where we are going, but nine times out of 10 it does. Also false. Multiple departments have found false positive rates of anywhere from 32% to 70% for these ALPRs. That included a car that was marked stolen in one state when actually the license plate was for a motorcycle in a different state. causing a woman to be held at gunpoint on the side of the road while her children were wailing. Chief Oliver said for this motion on the agenda tonight, these improvements will strengthen public confidence, help protect local businesses, and support tourism. It actually undermines public confidence, does nothing proactive to prevent crime committed against local businesses. And who has ever chosen to be a tourist somewhere specifically because they have a thriving Big Brother program? Additionally, this motion is asked to be approved on an emergency basis according to section 14 of the city charter. However, there is nothing emergent about this. The public should have this motion read at least two times on meetings so that people can understand that they are being tracked every single day when they drive through our city and there are not enough safeguards in place.

Appreciate your comments. Thank you very much. The public deserves to know how many

cameras they are, where they are, who has access, how long images are stored, what kind of paper trail will exist for each query. Lastly, if the people of the city, what they want means anything to you, we're telling you, we don't want it. For people who say, if you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, I say, I fear your definition of wrong.

Let me introduce myself, been a long time since I've been here. My name's Tim Stuckey, 1307 Fifth Street, and about the only person I see up there I know is Waddington. He ain't never leaving. Waddington, no, I'm leaving next year. Not Washington. I'm here to talk about this number six. I wasn't here to talk about number six, but when I got this in my hand and hearing some of this stuff, I thought, well, the person who can talk about number six is the one that lives on them, not the one that visits it. We have to do something about cameras for police. We've got to do something for enforcing racetrack running down Fifth Street again, and I don't have to say anything to Mrs. Vargo because she lives right around the corner from it, and she definitely hears it at her window. Not only bicycles, they go over 25 mile an hour if they're electric. No respect at all to the property owners. in and out of traffic, in and out of sidewalks. I almost got wiped off mowing my grass the other day. This guy come flying along, and I'm telling you, he had been going 30 down the sidewalk. I'm a good person to tell speed because I was a mailman for 40 years. I could tell how fast people were going. I would like this city to have one camera that's remodable and put in various problems areas of the city. And if you want to start with Fifth Street, it'd be a good one to do because we're becoming Cedar Point's drag strip. I don't know what you do for that. But if we could have a stoplight camera that would give these people tickets, you don't even have to have a cop down there. They just have them all over the place. The only time you're gonna get a ticket is if you break the law. So if you break the law, you should have the ticket. The other thing my wife brought up with me, her name's Mara, we can't get in and out of our driveway on Fifth Street at Waverly. because we have all those cars parked that didn't work there because of all this residential, more than one car in a household. I don't blame those people. The problem, we're having the problem because of the speed. You look one minute to the left, and you look one minute to the right, and you see nobody coming, and all of a sudden, some Yoko down there on McKinley Street makes a left-hand turn and flies on down there like there is no speed limit. That's the racing cars. Now to one other thing, please.

Mr. Stuckey, thank you very much. I apologize, but your time is up this evening. That's fine. I appreciate your comments. Thank you.

My wife wants a three-way stop, McKinley and Hollywood. Okay.

Yeah, he tried.

Good evening, Chris Weedle, 403 East Adams. I want to speak to two separate things on your agenda tonight. The first one is item number two, the increase in EMS fees. Are you as a commission going to pledge that those fees actually go as they are intended? The last time they are to go for fire department equipment, et cetera. The last big fire department truck that was bought was done with finance money because EMS fund was broke because that money had already been taken out by the commission to promote downtown projects. So if you're gonna go ahead and increase the EMS fees, I'm sure we would appreciate a pledge that those fees are actually going to go where they're supposed to go instead of being taken out of the EMS budget and put somewhere else in the budget for a capital project. The other item I want to speak to is item number seven. It looks rather innocuous on a piece of paper, but when you look at the 20 different, well, more than that, the pages that accompany it to describe what you're approving, You're actually approving giving more land to Maroos for development. They are asking for more tracts than they already have legal right to. My question is, why do we keep doing that when we don't have anything tangible on the tracts that we've already given them? It's been over six years. There isn't a single building up yet. It doesn't make sense to keep giving them access to more property. when not only is no buildings up, but they haven't presented any evidence of private financing to complete the project. It just doesn't make sense to me. I would ask your consideration on that. Originally the park, the lease on the park did not include the park. It was just down by the marina. There was supposed to be over eight acres of park. And now in the plans, it's less than two. So I would ask you please do not approve any more parcels to this development until you see something tangible on the ones you've already granted. Thank you.

Thank you. Any other comments on the agenda this evening from the public? Okay, thank you everyone. Commissioners, you have several communications from staff recommending legislation tonight. Can I get a motion to accept the communications? So moved. Second. I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Hearing no objection, that is approved. Does any commissioner wish to move anything from the consent items to the regular agenda tonight? Hearing none, Ms. Myers, will you please present the consent agenda this evening?

Item A, new liquor license for Dolgen Midwest LLC. Item B, approval to submit state fiscal year 2027 urban transit program grant application for STS.

Okay. Commissioners, having heard these ordinance resolutions, liquor license, what is your pleasure?

Madam Chair? Yes, sir. I move to accept the consent agenda as presented. Second.

There's been a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Ms. Myers, we call a roll on the motion.

Mr. Crable?

Yes.

Mr. Bugeaud?

Yes.

Mr. Tucker?

Yes.

Ms. Fargo? Yes. Mr. Waddington? Yes.

Mr. Koontz?

Yes.

And now on the liquor license, should we do that separate? Mr. Hastings? Yes. Should we do the liquor license separate? Yes. Yes.

Okay.

Now on the liquor license.

Mr. Crabill? Aye. Mr. Peugeot?

Yes.

Mr. Tucker?

Yes.

Ms. Fargo? Yes. Mr. Waddington? Yes. Mr. Koontz?

Yes. And now on the resolution.

Mr. Crabill?

Aye.

Mr. Peugeot?

Yes.

Mr. Tucker?

Yes.

Ms. Fargo? Yes. Mr. Waddington? Yes. Mr. Koontz? Yes.

And those are passed. Ms. Myers, will you present the regular agenda item number one? Choose only one resolution.

APPEAL OF BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS DECISION TO DENY USE VARIANCE APPLICATIONS 337 THROUGH 339 CAMP STREET. RESOLUTION 1 IS REQUESTED A RESOLUTION BE PASSED GRANTING KATARINA AND CONSTANTIN GABRO'S APPEAL OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS DECISION TO DENY A USE VARIANCE RELATING TO PROPERTY LOCATED at 337-339 Camp Street and declaring this resolution shall take immediate effect in accordance with Section 14 of the City Charter. Resolution 2. It is requested a resolution be passed denying Katerina and Constantine Gavro's appeal of the Board of Zoning Appeals decision to deny a use variance relating to property located 337 through 339 Camp Street and declaring this resolution shall take immediate effect in accordance with section 14 of the city charter Commissioners having heard these resolutions.

What is your pleasure madam chair?

Yes, Commissioner Waddington I moved to deny item 1 resolution 2 under suspension of the rules in full accordance of section 14 in city charter Second I have a motion and a second.

Is there any discussion? Hearing no discussion, Ms. Myers, will you call the roll on the motion, please?

Mr. Crable? Yes. Mr. Peugeot? Yes. Mr. Tucker? Yes. Ms. Fargo? Yes. Mr. Waddington? Yes. Mr. Koontz?

Yes.

And now on the resolution. Mr. Crable? Yes. Mr. Peugeot? Yes. Mr. Tucker? Yes. Ms. Fargo? Yes. Mr. Waddington? Yes. Mr. Koontz? Yes.

And that resolution has passed. Item 1, number 2. Would you present Item 2 on the agenda?

It is requested an ordinance be passed amending Part 9, Streets, Utilities, and Public Services Code, Chapter 961, Emergency Medical Services, Section 961.01, Charges, in a manner and way specifically set forth here and below.

Commissioners, having heard Item 2, what is your pleasure?

Madam Chair?

Yes, Commissioner Wagner.

I move that we pass this at first reading, Item 2. Second.

I got a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Ms. Myers, we call the roll on the motion.

Mr. Crable.

Yes.

Mr. Peugeot. Yes. Mr. Tucker. Yes. Ms. Fargo. Yes. Mr. Waddington. Yes. Mr. Koontz. Yes. And now on the ordinance. Mr. Crable.

Yes.

Mr. Peugeot. Yes. Mr. Tucker. Yes. Ms. Fargo. Yes. Mr. Waddington. Yes. Mr. Koontz. Yes.

And that ordinance is passed. Ms. Myers, we present item number three.

It is requested an ordinance be passed authorizing and directing the city manager to enter into a sponsorship agreement with the Whiteman-Weber Charitable Foundation related to the Sandusky Recreation Center and declaring this ordinance shall take immediate effect in accordance with Section 14 of the city charter.

Commissioners, having heard this ordinance, what is your pleasure?

Madam Chair?

Yes, Commissioner Koontz.

Move for approval of this ordinance beneath item three in full accordance with chapter 14 of the city charter.

Second. I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion?

This is very nice. Very nice, and I hope it is the first of a number of others to come forward. Thank you very much, the Whiteman Weaver Foundation.

Ms. Myers, will you call the roll on the motion?

Mr. Crable? Yes. Mr. Peugeot? Yes. Mr. Tucker? Yes. Ms. Fargo? Yes. Mr. Waddington? Yes. Mr. Coons?

Yes.

And now on the ordinance. Mr. Crable? Yes. Mr. Peugeot? Yes. Mr. Tucker? Yes. Ms. Fargo? Yes. Mr. Waddington? Yes. Mr. Coons? Yes.

And that ordinance is approved. Ms. Myers, we present item number four on the agenda.

It is requested an ordinance be passed authorizing and directing the city manager to approve the first change order for work to be performed by Janata and Herner of Monroeville, Ohio for the Seneske Recreation Center project in the amount of $200,000 and declaring this ordinance shall take immediate effect in accordance with section 14 of the city charter.

Commissioners, having heard this ordinance, what is your pleasure?

Madam Chair? Yes, Commissioner. I move for the adoption of this ordinance under suspension of the rules in full accordance with Section 14 of the City Charter.

Second. I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? John, would you like to just explain a little bit what happened there?

Yes. Thank you. So the outside water feature that we had, the rec center was given an allowance when we first passed the contract with the Whiteman-Weber donation. We thought it would be appropriate to expand that on the screen right there. is the final design for the water feature. The original amount was significantly smaller and we would have had a smaller feature there. This gives an expansion to that and allows for other items in there. There's some inclusivity in the lower left with people that have handicaps, wheelchairs, or small children to play on those tables. There's some interaction, heavy water dumpage for children that want to get dumped on. And then there's some shade with a mist for Mr. Koontz if he wants to sit underneath there and watch his grandkids. So we thought it appropriate. We're not using any more city funds for the project, but this gave us a little bit more of a wow factor for what we're going to have there at the new rec center. For the kids, thank you very much. You're welcome.

Any other discussion?

this matter so you call the role on the motion, please. Mister Crable yeah, Mister Peugeot yes, Mister Tucker yes, this far go yes, Mister wanting to yes, Mister Coons yes, and now on the ordinance Mister Crable get Mister Peugeot yes, Mister Tucker yes, this far go yes, Mister wanting to yes, Mister Coons yes, and that ordinance is approved.

Miss Myers we present item number 5 on the agenda.

It is requested an ordinance be passed authorizing and directing the city manager to enter into a dock lease agreement with Morris Wallace Construction Incorporated doing business as RIBA Marine Construction of Cheboygan, Michigan for the portion of parcel number 59-66007 commonly known as Coal Dock number 2 for the purpose of dredging the Mosley Channel and declaring this ordinance shall take immediate effect in accordance with section 14 of of the city charter commissioners having heard this ordinance what is your pleasure madam chair yes commissioner coons move for approval of this ordinance under item five in full accordance with section 14 of the city charter second great got a motion in a lot of seconds thank you is there any discussion miss myers we call a roll on the motion please mr crable yay mr peugeot yes mr tucker yes miss fargo yes mr waddington mr coons yes And now on the ordinance. Mr. Crable. Okay. Mr. Peugeot. Yes.

Mr. Tucker.

Yes.

Ms. Fargo. Yes. Mr. Waddington. Yes. Mr. Koontz. Yes. And that ordinance is passed. Ms. Myers, we present item number six on the agenda this evening.

It is requested an ordinance be passed authorizing and directing the city manager to enter into a five-year agreement with the Axon Enterprise Incorporated of Scottsdale, Arizona for acquisition and deployment of the safety camera initiative for the Sandusky Police Department and declaring this ordinance shall take immediate effect in accordance with Section 14 of the City Charter.

Commissioners, having heard this ordinance, what is your pleasure? Madam Chair. Yes, Commissioner Crable.

I move approval of Item Number 6 in full accordance with Section 14 of the City Charter.

Second. I got a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Mr. Crable.

Thank you, Madam President. like to address a question to our chief and and to our city manager on this this is not about flock cameras This is about the personal worn cameras on the uniforms. It's about cameras in the police station. I'm not sure about in the court. You'd have to answer that. But could you address what this is about? Because it's not about flock cameras.

So these are not flock cameras. These are called light post and outpost cameras through Axon. Axon's our current camera provider for cruiser cameras, our body worn cameras, and our cameras in our interview rooms. The difference with these and the LPR is there's there's three of these the outpost cameras have the LPR feature We're not buying it for the LPR feature. These are two live view Certain areas if we need to these are to record certain areas if we need to it's basically like Some of the things you'll see through television series and bigger cities where they have cameras at certain intersections that can watch traffic pattern can watch events With our events downtown Columbus Ave, the 100 block, the 200 block, the Jackson Street Pier, we pick strategic places through this grant process and application of where we have large amounts of people and where we have certain events take place that we need to have an extra set of eyes on. We've had some issues at our parks. So between these 12 cameras, we have eight of them on parks, Central Park, Lions Park. We have some cameras that we' re going to place at columbus and market columbus and water columbus and shoreline in the jackson street pier. Bike week just think of those events think of the farmers market think of all the events we have down at the pier sometimes at the pier we might only have two officers working there might be 3000 people down there. might have six or eight other officers on patrol, and we'll get calls after the fact where there was a hit-skip accident, there was vandalism, there was an assault, and we don't have any other proof of these things. What this does is this gives us capability to go back and watch that event. We can go back and look for evidentiary purposes. Another thing that's going to deter activity in our viewpoint, we're putting these at parts where we have locations, again, of large groups of people. In the last week, I've spoke with two commissioners. One was cleaning up vandalism in a park, and one had a complaint from a community member about the parking lot on Water Street behind Daly's. Just this past weekend, we had a call down there about 1.30 in the morning because of groups congregating, loud music. Turned into be an OVI. There was another crash right down the road. All of that... We can show to the court and through prosecution purposes and for the community to say, hey, here's what's taking place. Here's what we see. That was the nature of these cameras. They were never about license plate readers. I won't speak to the flock stuff. That's a whole other issue. I do not agree with people not being held accountable. We have policies in place. We have rules and regulations. If somebody violates those rules and regulations, I'm responsible for the Sanoski Police Department. not for any other city police department. I don't excuse that behavior. It should never happen. But this is not what this program is.

Thank you, Chief. Commissioners, any other comments? I think ultimately, I would just like to say that this is another tool to help keep our residents and our citizens and our visitors safe. It's just something else that is added to make sure we're doing the right things to make people feel good to be in our community to visit and to live here. And And so it's a good I believe it's a good thing that we're going forward that so thank you very much miss Meyers We call roll on the motion, please.

Mr. Crabill. Yeah, mr. Peugeot. Yes. Mr. Tucker. Yes. Miss Fargo. Yes. Mr. Whiting. Yes. Mr. Koontz. Yes, and now on the ordinance. Mr. Crabill. Yeah, mr. Peugeot. Mr. Tucker Miss Fargo. Yes. Mr. Whiting. Yes. Mr. Koontz.

Yes And that ordinance is passed Ms. Myers, will you present item number seven on the agenda?

Item number seven, item one. It is requested an ordinance be passed approving a first amended and restated development agreement with Battery Park Sandusky LLC relating to the development of the Battery Park property located at 701 East Water Street and declaring this ordinance shall take... effect under the suspension of rules as contained in in in accordance with section 13 of the city charter Commissioners having heard item 7 ordinance number one.

What is your pleasure? Madam president yes Commissioner Crable.

Thank you I move approval of item set the ordinance under item 7 1 in full accordance with section 13 of the city charter and waive the second reading thereof.

Second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion?

Could we maybe talk about... John, would you give a little background on it?

Exactly what the background is.

Yeah, I'd like to thank John Saenz and his team. Chip, I know they were all involved in this, especially our law department, Stu and Melanie. This is a modification to the 2023 development agreement that's already been approved by a prior commission. Melanie put some notes together for me, so I appreciate that. most of the changes were various terms and conditions of the development agreement so they defined a lot of definitions to spell out what things were and Excuse me and also to reflect the current project requirements of note on exhibit e For the development agreement the 2023 agreement gave the right of first refusal but better part of BPS for all adjacent and surrounding property to development site This modification gave the right of first refusal to them to those areas defined in exhibit e specifically parcel B which was also included in a permit to ODNR and for application of a new 99-year sublease, which is required by law for condominiums. And a portion of the Justice Center parking lot, this specifies and reduces the property that they had right of first refusal for. It doesn't expand it. The maintenance obligations are in exhibit D. There's quite a few we will be once they develop the roadway and infrastructure there this they will be giving the roadway back to the city and We'll accept it if it meets all of our requirements and then we'll maintain the roadway and all of the other different pieces and parts of that project are spelled out on Marissa's responsibility or the city's responsibility and the parcel numbers was a big thing the final plat map was submitted to the county after the approval of the final PUD which was last October so the PUD was approved back in October and some of the parcel numbers had changed by the county so the parcel numbers are not consistent with the plat and the county auditor's site so make sure that we're all speaking the same language and And the assignment of that, the developer in both agreements must get city consent on the assignment of the development agreement. The 2026 development agreement includes the following addition, the city shall not impose any condition or requirement on such assignment or transfer beyond those required by ODNR under the applicable submerged land lease. ODNR has final approval on the submerged land lease from the city or Meruse. So those are the major points. Like I said, the development agreement has been in place since 2023, and this reaffirms it and specifies certain terms and conditions.

Thank you, John. Any other discussion? Mr. Kramer.

President, first of all, I'd like to thank Sue and Melanie for meeting with me earlier today on this. I appreciated the time that you spent explaining all of this to me. I think one of the things, let me make one comment that may be obvious to some, but maybe not to all. We already have a development agreement for Battery Park. We're not creating a new development agreement. That development agreement was passed when?

In 23.

So we're still working under that, and we're, in essence, in contract with the Maroos Company for that development. But one of the things I thought that was interesting coming out of this morning's conversation was I think that the language, and please, the attorneys in the room, correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm sure you will. In the original agreement, it said that the developer had essentially a right to any adjacent property or all adjacent property. There's a pretty broad definition. And what this is is a refinement of that such that I think that there are two parcels that are involved. One of them is what is currently the Justice Center parking lot, although there's kind of two Justice Center parking lots, but it's the one that is furthest north that would be involved. But the developer still would have to come back to the city about that. It's not just that they can flip a switch on their own and do one thing or another with it. It's currently not part of the development plan that is in place. And escaping me what the second parcel is,

It's along the pier, the very narrow piece of the exhibit.

I think that the other thing, and well, I'll reserve my comments until we get to the second ordinance, but You know, my concern maybe as some others might have had was that this is somehow some broad new agenda, you know, all kinds, it's not. It's actually a narrowing of things, a restriction as far as the language is concerned in the agreement. And these are the kinds of things that come along when you're dealing with a massive development project, that there's things that come up in the process that you couldn't anticipate at the very beginning. And so I appreciate the fact that our law department, our city manager, and the developers are able to work together and bring these kinds of things to our attention.

Thank you, Commissioner Crable. Any other comments? Ms. Myers, will you call the roll on the motion, please, for Ordinance 1? Mr. Crable?

Yes.

Mr. Peugeot? Yes. Mr. Tucker? Yes. Ms. Fargo? Yes. Mr. Waddington? Yes. Mr. Koontz? Yes. And now on the ordinance. Mr. Crable? Yes. Mr. Peugeot? Yes. Mr. Tucker? Yes. Ms. Fargo? Yes. Mr. Waddington? Yes. Mr. Koontz?

Yes.

Item 7, Ordinance 1, has passed. Ms. Myers, you present Ordinance 2. It is requested an ordinance be passed approving a development agreement with Battery Park Sandusky LLC relating to the Meigs Street Auto Court in conjunction with the mixed-use development of the Battery Park property located at 701 East Water Street. In declaring this ordinance, it shall take effect under suspension of the rules as contained in and in accordance with Section 13 of the City Charter. Commissioners having heard item 7 ordinance 2.

What is your pleasure? I'm president. Yes, Commissioner Crable.

I would move approval of the second ordinance under item number 7 in full accordance with section 13 the city charter and Waving the second reading second.

I have a motion in a second. Is there any discussion?

Mr. Crable, yeah, it's becoming a routine here I just wanted to point something out. I I think this is an excellent example of one of those things that comes along that you don't anticipate maybe at the very beginning of a project. But there needed to be a manner or means by which people who are using the marina, as an example, can access the marina, that they can drop off people or they can drop off their fishing poles, whatever it might be. And there hadn't really been a thought given to that. And what's interesting about this is, and again, someone can correct me, I think that there's, what, seven parking spaces there currently? Wow. And this proposal is going to be, what, 24? Is that correct?

24, 27. I've been wrong all day.

One of those. An honest man. There you go. It's in the plan. You can stand. Been wrong all day. But it's a significant tripling plus of parking spaces. And I think that the other thing that we kind of forget, and Commissioner Waddington alluded to this, there's going to be a point at which we try to further enhance the public's use of where the Surf's Up project used to be. That is a large track of land. This will benefit that. This will be a direct benefit to that and will be in place before we even start to work on that project. So I think it's a good idea and it has my support.

Thank you, Commissioner Crable. Any other comments? Ms. Myers, we call the roll on the motion.

Mr. Crable? Yes. Mr. Peugeot? Yes. Mr. Tucker? Yes. Ms. Fargo? Yes. Mr. Waddington? Yes. Mr. Koontz? Yes. And now on the ordinance. Mr. Crable?

Yes.

Mr. Peugeot? Yes. Mr. Tucker?

Yes.

Ms. Fargo? Yes. Mr. Waddington? Yes. Mr. Koontz?

Yes.

And that ordinance is passed. And we are on to Mr. Orszag's manager's report.

Good evening, commissioners, audience, and staff. I have a $200 donation throughout the year from Commissioner Waddington for sign maintenance, both at the Sandusky sign down by Mylander and Shoreline Park. And Mr. Waddington is generous in his donations every year, so we thank him. So if we get a motion to accept the donation.

So moved. Second. Thank you very much, Commissioner Waddington.

Then Park and Rec would like to thank Sandusky City Schools for donating leftover ice cream from Community Collaboration Day to be used at the out-of-school program at Mills. I'd like to thank Buckeye Broadband for their $3,000 sponsorship for the race before the game in which Ohio State will win. And I'd like to thank Michelle Galloway for donating ARC supplies to be used at Mills Rock. Can we get a motion to accept those donations? So moved. Second.

Thank you very much.

Okay, thank you. The city's bond issuance for the Columbus Ave streetscape and landing project was sold to RC Laws and Company with a true interest cost of 4.522%. We had seven bidders with interest ranging from 4.5 to 2 to 4.9 8 8 the city under one of Moody's rating process prior to the debt sale We maintained our a1 rating which is considered an upper medium grade credit rating indicating low credit risk The next Finance Committee meeting will be on September 11th 2026 at 8 a.m. At City Hall The Welcome Home Ohio program has open applications for funding to continue the efforts of affordable housing production for sale to families at or below 120% of area median income. The City of Sandusky would like to pursue an allocation of up to $1 million for the development. If successful, the award will be brought back to City Commission for formal acceptance. Work will begin this week on a mural at Sandusky Wheels Park entitled Beneath the Surface of Lake Erie. The artist, Jared Mitchell, submitted the winning concept chosen by the Public Arts and Culture Commission in a competitive process conducted this spring. The project is part of the adopted 2026 public artwork plan and funded by the Public and Cultural Art and Acquisition Fund. And this year's Whiteman-Weber Safety Town program featured 50 participants. Park and Rec would like to thank the Whiteman-Weber Charitable Foundation for their generous donation of $10,000 for this year's program. As the title sponsor of this program, their donation allows us to run a successful program for incoming kindergartners as we prepare them on how to be safe as possible going into the school year. Plan on applying for the grant again in hopes of keeping their namesake with the program for years to come. And they list a whole slew of partners. Sandusky Police, Sandusky Fire, Sandusky City Schools, Sandusky Transit, ODNR, Erie Metro Live Steamers, Sandusky Power Squadron, Erie Metro Parks, Dustin Sharp, Kate T. Hatchey, and Erie County Humane Society. They all did some type of program for the kids during that week. So that concludes my report. I'll take any questions that Commissioner has.

Commissioners, any questions for Mr. Horzak this evening?

I would just comment that the Safety Town program, the cutest kids ever. I attended both of the graduations.

Thank you.

Warms your heart.

Thank you very much. I want to thank Michelle for working really hard with the interest rates there and those bonds. That was very well done once again, so thank you very much.

Thank you.

Appreciate that. Any other comments or questions? Okay, moving on to old business. Commissioner, is there any old business?

Madam Chair.

Yes, Commissioner.

I brought this up, I think, maybe two or three meetings ago about Washington Park. And the idea comes from Judy Corso. It goes back six, seven months ago. She questioned, why don't we have a restaurant downtown? It doesn't have to be elaborate, but we got... car shows, concerts, Fourth of July, Farmer's Market, Christmas holiday. We've got tons of walkers. It's turned into a small dog park. I'm one of the ones, once in a while, takes my dog down there also. But there's a lot of activity now. It's not like five or ten years ago. And I'm not asking for a big, big one, but something where somebody could, you know, If they have to use the bathroom, they're running around, where do you go? I've been questioned down there, you know, July 4th, but, you know, all we had was in plastic. I just think that's unsightly what we got over by Adams School, that big, big one, and, you know, we had problems with that at one of the concerts I was at. That was filled to the top, and it wasn't no water. But I just think we need to look at that. It's different, and a lot of people walk and bike, and I hope some of my commissioners will back me up on it. It's something that's definitely needed.

I think you're right, Commissioner Waddington. We could look at it and see what we could come up with. We do have some great bathrooms down on the water shoreline and then at the Jackson Street Pier. Those are nice bathrooms, but if you are all the way up in Washington Park and you're old like me, it's hard to get down there quickly, right? So it'd be nice to maybe look and see what we can do. So I appreciate you bringing that up. I guess what I'll follow up is, Washington Park is so active now. It is.

Yes. I mean, year-round, you go down into the winters, people walk and see people on bikes. I mean, just something I think we need to take a good look at and possibly do it. Thank you.

Commissioner Watkinson, I would concur. The one thing that I... lurks in the back of my mind about all this, though, is that I'm familiar with the restrooms at Shoreline Park. And I don't think they're as well-maintained as they should be. So I think that we need to think about that at the same time that we're thinking about adding additional restrooms down here. But I concur with the general idea.

Any other old business questions? I don't know if it's really old business because it's still ongoing, but I wanted to bring up and talk about a partnership that Commissioner Crable and Commissioner Tucker and John went in my place. We've partnered with Sandusky City Schools and the Great Health Initiative. from the HHS from HHS the federal government and we're partnering with the schools and Family Health Services and the idea around partnering with grades three through six this year to get processed food out of the schools and Partner with a longer table and hatch for hunger organizations and farmer Jones to help us work on metabolic disease for these kids have better health outcomes for these kids by bringing in fresh more protein, whole foods into the classroom. They're going to be scratch cooking at the three through six building. We're really excited about it. You probably see some commissioners there on occasion serving lunch. We're going to try to do some more family style eating with the kids. It's a really exciting program. It's a $4 million grant. We're joining Toledo and and Sylvania in this grant process. They'll be doing their program. For instance, they're working on asthma. We're working on metabolic disease, obesity, and diabetes for our kids. And we're going to be tracking data and seeing if we can improve their health outcomes. And on top of that, if food really is medicine, it impacts behavior, it impacts academics, attendance, all these things. And we have kids that don't get meals at home every day and we're going to be able to provide that and we're really excited the staff there is really excited and I just want to thank the city of Sandusky for joining in this because it's an opportunity to really maybe change some lives for the better and generational impact in our community so I wanted to bring that up and there'll be more as it goes forward I hope if you want to get involved at all let us know and we'll get you in the schools too to be part of it so thank you very much with that and you guys went up to that

Yeah, there's only five spots in the United States that they're sponsoring. So this is a big deal. And we're getting $2 million, which is quite a bit. For two years, yeah. For two years, right. It's good for the students. And they're going to tie classes into it and possibly have gardens. And there's a whole lot coming.

It's very exciting.

Yeah, it's very exciting. I think that there may be some additional grant opportunities that are derivative of this as we get into it a little bit further. I know I'm so thrilled, as the chairman of the commission is, So thrilled with the partners that have come together to do this because it really is a community-wide effort But I would also I would Call out Erie County, yeah Erie County technically is where this whole thing started. That's correct. And their involvement, their support has just been absolutely phenomenal. Right to the commission level with their physical involvement with gardening and the children. So yeah, it is an exciting program. Stay tuned. More to come.

Thank you, Jeff. And I was remiss. I should have said Matt Olden really has led the charge, and Ellen Waldock and myself meeting to get this up and running and get that grant submission put through. And hopefully it's a sustainable program, and it's not just three through six. We'd like to see it in every school in the area and carry this through. So maybe we can really be a model and a pilot for the country, and it could be really amazing. So we're looking forward to it. So thank you. Any other old business?

May I add one more thing? I'm sorry. I'm just so excited about this program. Preliminary indications from earlier work that had been done prior to our involvement were that there were two demonstrable, statistically valid outcomes that were noticed, one being significant increase in academic performance, grade level changes. And secondly, a significant reduction in behavioral issues with children. And it's because they aren't just eating sugar, okay, for breakfast. They're eating actual real food. And it makes a difference. So, yeah, I'm sorry.

Thank you, Commissioner. Any other old business? New business.

Madam Chair.

Yes, sir.

And I think this is a perfect segue since my colleagues on commission have been talking about the partnership between Sandusky City Schools and us. I was pleased to see some of our folks, Jeff, Tom Tucker, Fire Chief D'Amico, show up for the new superintendent and CEO. of Sandusky City Schools. It was an excellent event, and I appreciated seeing all of you there. I would have liked to have seen more teachers and administrators there, particularly at a time when we're going to need to pass a levy. I would have liked to have seen that, but at least we were there. One of the other things I wanted to say, and this is really important to me, I want to go back to something the gentleman talked about in terms of privacy. I mean, we're living in an age right now where, yes, privacy is important. Everybody's really concerned about their privacy. But the reality is there is no privacy. When we think about data centers and what they really do, when we think about how we're on our computers and we're being watched all the time, we don't even know the extent to which we're being watched. Now I say that to say this, sometimes surveillance is a good thing. Surveillance is good when you've been a victim of a crime and they're able to look at cameras and go back and tell you exactly where somebody was who committed the crime and the families who have loved ones who were victims of those crimes, they appreciate it at that time. So you have to take the good and the bad and the ugly together. Surveillance is a good thing. I think there was a case recently I won't get into the details when individuals lie about where they were and what they were doing They might tell you one thing, but then their cameras everywhere We don't even know where they are But there are cameras everywhere and the only people that really should be concerned and maybe I shouldn't say that are the people committing crimes I have yet to have anybody come to me, to my house, and talk about anything that I saw online, anything that I did when I was in the public. And I would challenge anybody to tell me anything that you were arrested for or apprehended for that wasn't a crime. Now, I'm saying all that to say this. We have to appreciate the fact that we do have cameras. I'm just saying it because I've been a victim of crime. I've been hit by drunk drivers, left on the highway for dead. So when I think about those kinds of things, I say, man, I appreciate it. Yes, I don't like to think about somebody actually monitoring what we're doing and watching us all the time, but how can you determine when that's happening? So I had to get that out of the way. The most important thing to me right now, is the proliferation of shootings that we have in our city. And now, maybe 40 minutes to the east of us, you have a town like Lorain, and then another 20 minutes from there, you have Cleveland. Of course, we don't have the level of shootings that they do. They're larger communities. But in our city, a city that has roughly maybe 25,000 people, anytime you have three, four, five, six shootings within a year, I remember a time when you didn't hear about a homicide for years. This is particularly important to me because I knew those young men. One of them is still living. I know them. One is gone. Markeel Castile is gone. And I have to tie this up because this is the truth. When we started the Nehemiah Center years ago, when God blessed me to purchase these buildings for $5, And I stayed committed to the vision that God gave me. And that was that we needed more for children in our community to be able to do after school. They need those programs. They need more adults who really care about their future. They need more of us to be able to step up. Yeah, we don't expect you to do everything and spend all your time with children. My wife looks at me like I'm crazy sometimes because of the time that I spend. But when we started that center, Mark Hill Castile was one of the young boys that came in elementary school. I would see Jalen Heron from time to time, he would come to play basketball. So, and when this happens, you get the same thing from people all the time. We need to talk about this. We need to come together about this. And I agree. I remember this time last year, Cosetta Poole posed the question about having this conversation. And she called me and I said, absolutely, I'll be there. But what's more important right now is that, and I'm glad that you brought up this collaboration, this partnership between the city and the schools. Because that is really what it takes to move this community forward if we focus more of our attention on young people, teenagers and children. There are so many in need. in our community. And yeah, I know that there are pockets of people doing some amazing things throughout our community, but we also have these fiefdoms. We have folks who are doing something over here, and they might have 60 children that they deal with, and that's a good thing. Then you might have another 50 who are doing something over here, and then they're doing a good thing. But I'm getting tired of seeing these people who want accolades. And I'm being dead serious. The folks who want accolades and want to operate on this island by themselves, the work that needs to be done is much more serious than that. What I'd like to see, and I'd like to see us as a commission, and I know we've committed to some things, and I'd like to see us as a commission when we're dealing with our schools, and I'd like to see our schools. We got gatekeepers. And they exist everywhere. They exist in city commission. They exist in the school district. They exist everywhere in the county. Well, it's okay to be a gatekeeper, but be a gatekeeper for the right things and open your, I mean, for the wrong things and open your doors for the right things. Whether that means just like with this recreation center that we have coming. And I said this before, and I don't want the media to get it twisted like they always do. I said that we have to really think about what's going in the rec center because we have a recreation program and we have a wonderful program over at Mill School. Does anybody know how many children are served over at the program on a regular basis on average? Probably between 70 to 90 to 100 in the summer. But how many children do we have in Sandusky? And this is what I said about the rec center. I said, we don't know whether or not we'll be able to do exactly what's done over there right now and use all the rooms that are for everybody in our city. They're for the elderly. They're for the young adults. They're for children and teenagers. We don't know if we'll be able to do that. But you know what we can do? When we partner with each other, whether you have the Boys and Girls Club, whether you have the Recreation Center programs that we have, we apply for grants and we utilize our facilities in the way that they should be utilized. Stop being gatekeepers to say, no, we can't use the gym for that. No, we can't use the swimming pool at Sandusky High to teach our children how to swim. If you check into that right now, you'll find a little limited space where children have the opportunity to learn how to swim. We can't talk out the side of our neck here and then say the totally opposite things on the other side. That's what I'm tired of. And so when I see young men who are murdered in the streets who might have been carrying guns themselves, I don't know. I just know they were human beings. And we have to do more. That's all I had.

No, that was well said, Richard. Really appreciate your words tonight. They were needed. Thank you very much. Commissioners, any other new business this evening?

Just to follow up with Richard real quick, I was superintendent of schools when we proposed and put in school cameras in the schools, and it was amazing what that did to calm the schools when students knew they were there. So I'm in full support of that because it does keep people in line.

Thank you, Commissioner Tucker. Any other new business? Audience participation now. You have five minutes. Come up and tell us questions or concerns and state your name and your address.

Tim Schwanger, 362 Sheffield Way. Again, I'm sorry. I was going to be sitting at the city commission table. I just wanted to go back on the Maroos project for a second. When I met with them today, one of the questions I had for them is why is there not any kind of playground equipment area within your PUD? Because typically, if you look up PUD, planned unit development, there is recreational opportunity. Because in their plan, they're going to have a concert stage and just a relaxation area. Their response to me was, and rightfully so, I agree with them 100%, is that we're kind of waiting for the city to decide what they want to do with the Sandusky Bay Pavilion. So going back to Mr. Waddington's comment about a passive park, think about this for a minute, folks. We're looking at a potential of 600 people permanently living within the PUD footprint. They deserve more than just a passive park at the Sandusky Bay Pavilion. There's enough property there that we can combination passive park and also good-sized playground equipment, et cetera, that would appease not only the adults but also the young children. Last question I did before I leave is a couple meetings ago, I think I brought up the Washington Street Pier concerning benches and additional trash cans. Has there been any decision? Are you still talking about adding more benches? I'm pretty sure they're out there. They're out there now. Okay. Okay. Well, that's one of those deals where a follow-up answer would, I'd appreciate. I mean, I can always walk out there.

You ask and we deliver.

Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate that.

Thank you, Mr. Schwanger.

Tim Stuckey, 1307 Fifth Street, Sandusky, round number two. 1302 Fifth Street had a fire over the weekend. And there's some real alarming things about that. Number one, nobody adjoining resident was notified of this fire. It's fact. Nobody even knew the fire happened. That's fact. Number two, it was a siren alarm. There was no sirens. That was a fact. Somebody asked me a question. I said, I don't know the answer, but I'm going to find out. And people up here know me. I will find out. Why weren't our doors knocked on? I lived directly across the street from this fire. I was in the back of the house sleeping. Didn't even know it happened. But I was able to review it. We'll leave it go at that. Now, my main concern is There was a big explosion at that house, extreme explosion. A lot of fire, a lot of smoke. It was so bad, the neighbor next door didn't even know it happened because nobody knocked on their door. I think we ought to make it mandatory, no matter what the circumstances, how quiet you might want to think to be, if a fire truck goes to a fire, they have to use their sirens. That gives warning to everybody in the area where the siren's going to, because you will wake up with that siren. End of that subject, men. Bikes. Electric bikes. I can remember back years ago, many years ago, let's see, I'm 79 now, so that'd be about probably 70 years ago. We had to get a license for our bicycle. I know everybody here that's as old as I am or closer knows that we had to get our license for our bicycle. Now, the golf carts are licensed. They have to have windshield wipers, and lights, and brake lights, and all this other stuff, and a license plate. But these vehicles, these electric scooters, are dangerous. The kids and the people that ride them has only one thing in their mind, me. They have no thoughts about anybody else around them. We need to license them so we know where they're all at. We have to have more control of them driving 35 mile an hour down Fifth Street when it's a 25 mile an hour zone. Or 20 when schools open. This is why I asked for a camera. I know they're available, because we went through this when we discussed the 25-mile-an-hour speed limit years ago, and Fox 8 TV was down in my house and everything else covering this news story. Maybe we are back. Now, I had a short communique with Ms. Fargo when I walked in the door. I commend her. And I'll tell you why. I sent her an email about I've been having a problem with this doggone street taking wheel alignments on my car. That was on the corner of Scott and 5th. She says, I'll take care of it. And you know what? She did. But I couldn't get anybody else to take care of it. But doggone it, we got a good commissioner. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Stuckey. I appreciate that. Hello. State your name and your address.

My name is Cosetta Poole and my address is 1223 Buchanan Street.

Hank Cosetta, just one second.

Are you ready? You're good. Thank you.

So good evening. My name is Cosetta Poole, and my address is 1223 Buchanan Street. I am up here today because I am concerned about the increase in gun violence in our town and the harm that it's causing our residents, families, and neighborhoods. I hosted a gun violence awareness meeting last year on August 21st in response to a shooting in Fremont, Ohio and a shooting that took the life of Dominic Johnson and now recently Michael Kincaid, who passed away on May 31st, and Marquire Castile, who lost his life on August 20th. Who has the primary responsibility for coordinating the city's response to the increased gun violence? Is it the mayor, city council, commissioners, the sheriff's office, the prosecutor, police department? Does our school district have a say-so in this or any other office? What specific actions are currently underway to prevent shootings, intervening with people at a greater risk, supporting the victims, and improving public safety? Who are the decision makers here in Sandusky, Ohio who can implement a program to prevent, intervene, enforce, and help our youth as well as provide victim support? And are they working together with other agencies here or in the surrounding areas to come up with a strategy to reduce gun violence? And more importantly, what can we do as a community, especially people from the most affected neighborhoods, to help reduce gun violence? Is there an anonymous gun return program that is here in this city where people can take guns if they find them from their children who aren't supposed to have them in the first place? and take them somewhere to return them to the police department. I know that we don't have the answers right now, but as a concerned citizen and also who had a child who was shot many, many years ago, thank God he survived, I would like to do my part to help in getting an initiative started. because right now something truly has to be done. So that's just all I have to say. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Good evening, commissioners.

Good evening.

My name is Evan McKenzie-Uckman. I'm a resident of Sandusky, 1816 Sandusky Street in Sandusky. I'm here to talk to you and just ask a few questions. Our appeal to renovate this standalone building on Camp Street was denied. Before I go on, though, one of my contractors I can never get him to stop working. He's 77, was working on a roof behind our Stone Street property and fell the other day and landed on a concrete pallet. And he sustained life-threatening injuries, but he's now in Cleveland and he's expected to recover. It's going to take a long time, but I want to thank the fire department and the police department. You saved my best friend. You guys don't get enough, so thank you. I'm here to talk about, it was submitted by Adam, and thank you for your help, Adam, and thank you for your help with this issue of this standalone building on Camp Street that my partners bought. I started investing in Sandusky in 2016, and in that time I've bought and renovated Nine duplexes and two single families. I get tired thinking about it. All of which now are fully renovated at fair market value, generating income for the city, the county, and the state, obviously. My partner saw what I was doing here. They don't live in the city. And they said, can we do that? And I said, well, sure. And they said, well, you run them for us. And I was like, yikes. Here I am supervising their properties and in that time they have, I'm counting them all up because they just keep buying them, nine properties that were all derelict, probably going to be condemned and then torn down. They are now fully renovated and generating revenue. With all that said, We bought this duplex on Camp Street, and this standalone building is sitting back there just decaying. And it once was fully used. There's a kitchen in it. There is a full bathroom. There's a loft bedroom. And one of my two partners, the wife, Katerina, is an architect, and you can see the renderings that she did of the outside. The inside is going to be fully renovated as well, we hope. which again will address the housing shortage in the city and actually beautify that part of Melville because back there it's starting to get a little tired and this would really help. So I'm at a loss to understand why the appeal, I understood why it was denied the first time had something to do with there being a kitchen in there. But what I don't understand is why it was denied again today given that it will add another nice, affordable housing unit to the city. Could someone help me understand that?

Not here to answer questions. You're just here to make your statement.

Silly me. I thought I was here to ask a question. Well, what do I do?

So you will get a response from your questions from City Manager Orzac, from your questions here tonight, and explain.

Okay, because my concern is that if we can't go ahead and renovate it, then it's just going to decay, eventually be condemned, and then it's going to cost us money to tear it all down. Whereas right now, it's got, as they say, great bones. Great bones. It needs electricity put back on it. The roof needs to be redone, which we have the budget to do. And we're happy to do it and we want to do it. So I would ask you to reconsider the denial, if you would, please. And thank you for your time.

Hi, my name is Jessica Crow. I'm from Father's Heart Family Church. And I want to say thank you for all the commissioners that gave us the opportunity of a bus stop to bring people to get the food.

And who knows, we might be able to, I ain't the pastor, but we could supply the school with some food too.

You're on the list. Okay, good deal. But I just want to say thank you. And that's it. Have a good day. Thank you very much.

Hello.

I have a question about a piece of my property.

I just need you to state your name and your address.

Oh, I'm Peggy Mayo. I'm at 2703 Maryweather Road. My question is about a piece of property that belongs to me at 1102 Columbus Avenue. For some reason, there was like a $50,000 assessment put on my property from the city of Sandusky. I called around to try to get a basic rundown. And the city manager did give me the paperwork or whatever. So I need to appeal it because it doesn't make sense for me. And no one seems to know where to go to appeal this decision. So I have to bring it to you to get the answer to my question.

We will. Who? City Manager Orszag will get you those answers.

Yeah. Oh, okay. I need to appeal it, the $50,000.

Well, we can't do that right here right now. But what you can do is you can call City Manager Orszag and you can have a discussion with him about that process.

I did. He gave me some numbers to call. And the girls, they didn't seem to know. And one girl told me that I just have to deal with it. Is there a appeal board?

I'll have the law department get something out. It's been many years ago.

Right, okay, so we'll have our law department reach out to you, and we will get that information to you and see if there is any process. I think it goes back quite a while, if I recall.

If there is.

If there is a process for you going forward. We'll have our law department reach out to you, okay, Ms. Mayo?

You're confusing me when you say if. What does that mean?

They have to research it. They have to look at the... They have to research it. They have to look and figure out... You may be out of time.

I don't know. That's my whole point. It didn't show up. It's been almost 10 years. Well, maybe not 10 years, but it's just now showing up. They just put it on there this year. A demo that happened maybe 10 years ago. That's what's so odd.

Ms. Mayo, we can't litigate it right here right now in this session of the city commission meeting, but what we can do is they can talk to you this week one off in their office or you call them or you come down and see them, okay?

And just so we're clear, we're not here to advise you. We will tell you the city's position though. Yeah.

Well, that's fine, but there should be an appeal board. It's my property. It belongs to me. You shouldn't be able to tax it without some sort of... Are you the gentleman that's going to get in touch with me?

Yes.

I'll give you my phone number right now. Okay.

419... Won't you give it to me after the meeting?

I don't mind. My number's public anyways.

It's still illegal for us to put your number out on the phone like this.

626... And I apologize, I didn't answer anywhere else. John did give me what I needed, but I didn't want to take it further. I'm just not going to let you take my money like that.

Thank you. You guys have a wonderful evening. You too.

Hi there. Hello, long time no see. My name is Atai Yancy, 1013 Tyler Street. I was coming to talk about, again, kind of piggyback off of what Dr. Kuhn said, the recent gun violence within our city. Obviously, piggyback off of what recently happened within the last week. Mark here was one of my classmates. We graduated together and everything like that. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, HEARING THAT COMMISSION SPEAKING OUT AND SAYING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE MORE DONE FOR THE YOUNGER PEOPLE AND THE KIDS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, I THINK IT WOULD ALSO START WITH REACHING OUT WITH PEOPLE WITHIN THOSE AGE GROUPS. SOMEONE LIKE ME, I'M 24 YEARS OLD. And what I would like to do is actually participate and volunteer myself to help out within those actions that are moving forward to try to bring the violence down within the city and try to bring more of us together because it's sad when we have situations like what is happening and a lot of the people that is happening between their families are actually close or have some type of connection so i think it's honestly really sad to see and sad to even hear about when you know families connected now are bickering and fighting and which leads to potentially more violence and more of a problem with our city um So I would like to say thank you, Dr. Combs, for bringing that up and speaking out. And I am willing to help with you guys in assisting with coming up with these plans and programs to help out within our city. Thank you. Thank you, hon.

What's your first name again?

Atai.

Thank you very much, hon. Appreciate you.

Chris Wheedle again, 403 East Adams. Two weeks ago, I was here speaking about the unfinished project for the Underground Railroad tour. I had sent an email to Mr. Orchek seeking more information. I did that. He responded to me on the 13th, and I appreciate the information. But the information left me with some questions about how this still could have happened, how this could have been dragging on for so long. And I appreciated Mr. Orchek copying Mrs. Vargo and saying, Mr. Peugeot on it. And I would ask you, have you heard any other information on this project?

So, I will just tell you, we are working on it. It is not forgotten about, Mr. Weedle. It is getting done. It is just the process that has taken place to get it done. We had people leave. He explained. I saw his email. So, there was a lot of information given to you. We just have to give us a little time to get it done. It will be done. Thank you. Okay.

Well, I guess my concern is if a simple project like this takes this long to do, how much more wasted energy is there that's going on, really?

Well, I would say typically this isn't like what happens in Sandusky. This project unfortunately fell off the rails, and we're going to get it back on, okay? So that's what I'm going to tell you. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

Greetings, Tom LaMarca, 206 48th Street. We're running a little long tonight. Sorry to see you guys go. Tonight the agenda seems like it was a replay of a dress rehearsal and everything had been reviewed prior to getting here and voted on before we got here. That's just my opinion. I'm concerned about the debt that the city is getting into with all the different bonds that we're chasing. Now we used to have money in the bank. We don't seem to have money in the bank anymore. We're financing everything. And you're extending that debt out for not even my grandchildren, but perhaps their grandchildren. And the crew that just left, what the heck, why does it take six or seven years to get a development going? I've never seen so many dog and pony shows presented and nothing done. They've made millions of dollars off the backs of the residents of the city of Sandusky on the projects that they have played with. And if they're really good at their job and their business, they would have had something in the lower level of the Fike building by now. That's been sitting for how many years? Maybe four or five years. And now we're going to let them build like 46,000 or 64,000 square foot of commercial space to lease on the prime waterfront. after they've destroyed the waterfront park that we had by cutting down the trees that they weren't supposed to touch, as I recall, in earlier conversations. They were going to leave the older trees and inspect them. I don't think they did that. They just went and bulldozed them all down. So I've had enough of that group. The water feature that has been added to the rec center, that's a joke. I mean, come on, folks. We don't need more splash pads. That's $100,000 for a fire hose. Give them some old fire hoses out there. That'd be more fun than that splash pad with a bucket of water. And don't forget that most of you were on the school board when all these TIFs were happening. So when the schools come up short of money, you have no one to blame but yourselves.

Hi again. Donna Schrimm, 7513 Cordoba Circle, Naples, Florida. I wish you would reconsider saying yes on this ordinance for many reasons, but when people ask me, where are you from? I say, Sandusky, Ohio. Oh, you have Cedar Point, you have that beautiful lake, and your parks are gorgeous. In fact, we were just... I think it was, I'm not sure the publication, they voted us the best small shoreline village or town in the country. So why are we getting rid of our parks? And you talked about Washington Park. I've done a lot with the chamber, and we improved Washington Park. We're using it for Battery Park. When I was the manager, we had Arts in the Park, and that was with the Arts Council. We also had the Bass Tournament. We brought that into Battery Park. ODNR, they were my buddies, and they really appreciated us rehabbing the marina, but the park was never a part of this project. And I was the only leasehold for Battery Park, only in the history. There's been managers from the city, but never a leasehold. So I wish you would reconsider. Don't rubber stamp 2023, because those commissioners probably had something else in mind. But just reconsider for the citizens. These people want to use our parks. They don't want to go someplace else. They want to be right on the shoreline. They don't have access to the shoreline. They can't afford a home on the shoreline. So give them the shoreline back. And I know they left. I tried to appeal to him. I said, okay, building number four, just go up and, excuse me, instead of... out and he wouldn't even consider it. And I said, you know, we had to have a, we were in our original 20, no, this was 43 years ago. We had a restaurant on the pier and the citizen said, no, you can't do that. And you can't do anything with the old wave action pool. Stay away from the park. Stay away from the pier. Stay away from the pool. And we did. So for all these people in your city, you need to vote for our historic park to keep it alive. And we can have a lot of functions. We can do another. It won't be as big as Jackson Street Pier, but it certainly would be a beautiful. I can get Ohio State, my ex-husband saved Ohio State from closing, so I think I can get the horticultural school to put in a beautiful, beautiful park for us. But we need that park back. We can't let a private developer come in here and say, okay, I want the whole grounds. That's Please, listen to the people. Don't listen to those commissioners that, well, Brady could do a lot of electrical work in the condos. That's great. But do it for the residents. Don't do it for the commissioners that, yeah, they want to see condos. It's a profit for them. But we don't want profit. We want our parks back. Please turn down this ordinance. Don't give them 99 years. You only gave me 40 and an extension, but please don't give them 99 to put their condos in the park. Take it out of the park. I'm for the development. I really am, but not in our historic park. Thank you.

Thank you. Hello.

Hello, good evening, Commissioner.

I'm here on... Can you just state your name and your address?

Oh, I'm sorry. My name is Robert Jordan. My address is 1816 3rd Street, Sandusky, Ohio. Thank you. And I'm on the matter of that and then the cameras that was mentioned. I think last year I called the cops about four times during Halloween week where Cedar Point cars just flew down there And so the police came and sat there a couple minutes after they left. Flew again back through there. Ran through the stop signs and everything. Put cameras up. Put them up there. Is it going to hurt Cedar Point customers? That's the problem. We need to do something about that because my kid was out there playing. I had to go get him. Scared that he'd get hit. On the other thing, where I came here last meeting about the property that was sold. Here it is, I showed up at another meeting in large amount about some people that was having a problem. And within 40 minutes, the city came out and told my aunt that she had to move a boat, put this boat there and stuff. That boat been sitting there for seven years. And it seemed like when I brought this up about this land, now they want to put pressure on her. And I don't think that's fair. You know, but we had the boat move. I moved the boat and everything, but it was sitting there for seven years, I guess, because we was cutting the grass there in that lot. It wasn't no problem. And she got all, blood pressure went up over this. That shouldn't happen. It seemed like they was threatening her. And I mean, that's my idea. The next one in line, I'm going to protect her to the fullest. That means I got to show up here every meeting I will. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

Any other audience participation this evening?