Public Safety, Finance and Strategic Support Committee (psfss) - Regular Meeting

Let's start the meeting. All right. Before we begin, I want to remind the public safety, finance and strategic support committee members and member of the public to follow our code of conduct at the meetings. This include commenting on the specific agenda item only and addressing the full body. Public speaker will not engage in a conversation with the chair, council member or staff.

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Salas.

Here.

Casey?

Here.

Mulcahy? Here. Vice chair Kami? Here. Chair Duan?

Here. You have a quorum. Okay. Work plans, nothing on the consent calendar. We're going to number one item on the calendar here is second quarter financial report for fiscal year 2024 and 2025. And I believe that we have, a presentation PowerPoint from Maria Oberg and Quinyun Sun.

Good Thank afternoon, Chairman Doan, members of the committee, members of staff and the public. I am Maria Oberg. I am the Director of Finance. And with me today is Chin Yu Sun, who is the deputy director of finance overseeing debt and treasury management. In your package, have a rather long presentation showing all of our major programs in finance and their results for the 2425.

We normally present the full report to you in August. That way you have the full fiscal year results. We'll be happy to do that today as well, but the only thing we're truly required to present to you by policy is the investment portfolio slide. So that's why we suggest that we start with those because I know you have a busy agenda after us as well. So our investment policy is council policy one twelve.

All of our investments who that we manage in house, by the way, I know we have some new members of the committee, but we do manage this in house. All our investments meet the requirements of the city's investment policy and conform with California government code section fifty three six zero one. Our authorized investments are only those that are highly rated fixed income securities. We review the investment policy annually. It was last adopted by resolution of the city council on 03/05/2024, and the investment program is audited semi semiannually for compliance purposes.

The objectives of our investments are to manage them, in accordance with safety, liquidity, liquidity, and yield. They're always in that order. Safety refers to the type of investments we hold in our portfolio. We cannot take any chances of losing principal. This is the public's money, so we only invest in fixed income securities of high credit ratings. Liquidity means that we have money available to meet our obligations when they come due. And of course, is the market rate of return that we can earn on the investments in on the day we purchase them. We provide quarterly reports. They're available to the public in a variety of formats. They're online on the finance department's website.

They're also in this PSFSS committee agenda packet as well as the city council agenda packet. The size of our portfolio as of 12/31/2024 was $2,400,000,000 with an earned interest yield of 3.4%. The weighted average maturity of the holdings was six hundred and forty seven days, so slightly below two years. The fiscal year to date net income recognized by earnings was $45,100,000, and there were no exceptions to the policy this quarter. This slide is almost impossible to see even on the big screen, but this is how our portfolio investments are spread out.

As you can see, the bulk of them, 40, a little over 40% is in US agency securities and US treasury securities. We do also hold corporate notes as well as municipal bonds, commercial paper, and a few others, but the bulk is really is in agency and treasury securities. This shows the investment portfolio by fund. The general fund is the largest holder of securities in our portfolio, but, of course, major departments such as wastewater, clean energy, airport, and others have sizable holdings as well. The general fund balances increased by $237,000 during the quarter and ended with a balance of $41,616,000,000 as of 12/31/2024.

You'll see on the next slide that our general fund cash balances usually peak in the months of January and April. That's when we receive property tax funds, and then they decline ever so slightly during the summer and through the fall when we meet, make our debt service payments, retirement prefunding, and other operational expenditures. We do have enough investment maturities, cash, and revenues sufficient to cover anticipated expenditures for the next six months. And here is a comparison of cash balances. It's hard to tell here, but it shows the largest portfolio, special revenue fund, housing, airport, wastewater, and the general fund.

And you can see here the red is the general fund, and that's where the spikes in cash flows come, whereas the special funded ones are a little bit more predictable both revenues and expenditures. We do benchmark. Nothing is truly exactly like our portfolio, of course, but we do benchmark ourselves to LAFE, which is the state of California's local agency investment fund. And we also benchmark against the Bank of America Merrill Lynch one to three year AAA U. S.

Corporate and government index. Our investment strategy, we are continuing to match expenditures with suitable investments within the twenty four month horizon. We are extending a portion of the portfolio beyond the two year term as well whenever appropriate to provide income and structure to the portfolio. Diversification of the portfolio. And of course, we continue to focus on the core objectives of safety, liquidity, and yield in that order. And with that, that ends our presentation. And we are happy to answer any questions.

Do we have any public comments?

There is no public comment.

Prior to going to my other council member, I just wanna welcome council member Salas, council member Mulcahy, and council member Casey to the first PISVIS meeting. So at this point, we're gonna go to council member Casey.

Thank you. Appreciate the report. Just a question going back to the benchmark slide. How do you explain the delta between where they are and where we are?

Well, I'll let Janu speak to that much more eloquently, but I can tell you the LAEF one is because it's a shorter duration, so it's more sensitive to changes in interest rates. So when interest rates go up, the LAEF portfolio increases yield much faster because it turns its investments a little faster than we do. Conversely, when interest rates go down, they dip quicker than we do.

Okay, thank you.

That is pretty much the reason of comparing our portfolio with ALLETE. Bank of America benchmark is a benchmark we identified from the portfolio the benchmark portfolio index tracked by Bank of America. That index is very unique. It is that it only codes a portfolio broad market security up to three years. So, as you know, the interest rate has been growing really fast, so it also has a high turnover ratio, so it's picking up the yield as the interest rate goes up.

While our portfolio, we invest up to five years for security can mature after within five years. So in our portfolio, we have some older securities carrying much lower yield. So that's why you will see a big spread between the Citi's portfolio and the benchmark carried by the Bank of America. As time goes on, we do expect the spread to narrow with time, and it will narrow a lot faster when the interest rates are going down.

Okay. So, we are intentionally very conservative, it looks like. Do we have an appetite for a bit more risk, the potential of more return, or are there guidelines and constraints against that?

We invest our portfolio strictly in accordance to our investment policy. The city's investment policy is conforming to the state code. And then I have to say the city's policy tend to be slightly more conservative than the state code because we have a higher requirement on the credit ratings. And then we are conservative, but we also try to diversify the city's portfolio within the boundary of the policies and then the state code. As you can see, our portfolio is very well diversified.

We do not only just invest in U. S. Governmental securities, meaning treasuries and agencies, We also invest in high graded corporate bonds. We invested in AAA rated mortgage backed securities and asset backed securities. We also are very interested in supporting the municipal developments within the state of California and out of the state of California. Quite a bit portion of that portfolio are invested in highly rated municipal bonds as well.

I guess the initial shock for me is given everyone is pretty much crushing it in the market and to see our yield it's just a little disconcerting but I appreciate the constraints that you're operating within but it'd be nice to figure out a way to get a bit more riskier. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank

you, council member Casey. We're going to council member Salas.

Could you go back to could you go back to slide 21? Oh, I'm sorry. Could you go back to slide 21? Yes.

Think that's what I'm showing, the investments by fund.

I'm trying to make sure I understand.

The investments by fund, is that the one you're

Correct. Yes.

Correct.

Yes it's been displayed.

Do you manage all of this pie or I thought you mentioned all Correct. Of Okay. So that total is spread this way. So the airport brings in separate funds, CNOZ Clean Energy has separate funds.

That's correct.

And you

manage those separately, but you manage, you're responsible for all of them.

Yes, we see the portfolio as one, but of course on the accounting side this is how it's split out by fund.

Very good. Thank you very much. You're welcome.

Okay. Well, thank you council member Zales. At this point, can we have a motion?

I'd move that we, approve the, information from staff on the second quarter financial report for fiscal year 2425. Okay.

We got, a motion from council member May. Committee and, second from, council member Mulcahy. Let's vote. Me see what was the okay. Got unanimous vote. Let's go to the second item. We have the CDS San Jose investment policy and annual review, which, no presentation and, both the Director and Deputy Director at the same time.

Yes, we do not have a presentation on this. This year, we are not, making any changes to the investment policy other than a lot of technical cleanup which you see in the red line version in your packet.

Do we have any public comments?

No public comment.

Okay, we're going to go to Councilmember Mulcahy.

Thank you. Thanks for the report. So I sort of deferred my question to this one. So can you talk a little bit about the investment team? I know we're doing this in house and you gave us a briefing before. How many people are sort of making the pool decisions for us and so forth?

It is a very lean team. There is, of course, you have Chenyu overseeing it. We have an investment officer who is in the audience right now, and he's supported by two staff.

What kind of turnover are we having in this area of our employment?

On staff? Not much to my knowledge, but I have two weeks on you, so I will ask to you.

During the last decade also, I'd say the turnover is relatively small, relatively low. Before I assumed this job as a Deputy Director, I was the Citi's Principal Investment Officer from 2014 all the way to 2021. Brian was recently joined us joined to the Citi in March 2024. Prior to that, was working in the private sector. He was working for BlackRock.

Great. Super competitive industry, appreciate the fact that we're able to retain high quality investor folks in our team. I'm curious about sort of going back to Councilmember Casey's question, how much is your team involved in helping clarify council direction on its investment strategies? When it's setting policy, right, where how involved is your team in determining, yes, we're just going to stay with AAA or 2A plus or those qualifications of how the investments are determined?

A lot of it is based on California code, which prescribes what we can and cannot invest in. Within that, of course, there's a risk appetite, and we will be happy to engage with counsel about how you feel. There's certain concentration maximums, and that varies, and we are a little more conservative, as Chingyu said, than what the code allows. But that is definitely something we can engage with counsel in in a future study session, for example.

Okay. I think that's good for now. Thanks for that clarification. Appreciate it. Thank you.

No other comments? Can we have a motion?

I'd like to move approval of the city's investment policy as amended and refer to the city of San Jose investment policy as well as the appropriate resolutions to the full city council.

Second. Thank you council member Kameh for motion and for the second council member Gonzalez. Let's vote. And we have unanimous decision. Thank you.

Let's move on to the next item, item number three, which is the police department air support status report. And I believe we have a presentation video and PowerPoint, being presented by Chief Brandon Sanchez and Sergeant Josh Urbe and Officer Nick Byrd. Welcome.

Good afternoon, chairperson Doan, members of the committee, staff, and members of the public. My name is deputy chief Brandon Sanchez. I oversee the Bureau of Field Operations, for the police department. With me today is sergeant Josh Erbs of our air support unit and officer Nick Byrd. We do have a, video that we're gonna show first before our presentation.

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Copy along the south curb.

Yeah. So he's right at the corner.

Is it facing eastern?

Yep. There you go. On your left right there. It's in front of the red minivan. Minivan.

Air three foot pursuit driver. Bailed from the attempted stop. He still rents on the eastbound out toward. Turning southbound. He's got a light blue hat and black gray sweats.

Light blue hat and sweats. Eastbound.

Yeah. He turned into court. Cut eastbound to the White House. It's the second house in. Okay. They're trying to 1096 something. He's coming out back street side. Okay. He's he just checked something on item. It's officer safety. Just checked an item up onto the roof and he's starting to prone out at the dead end of the court directly in front of.

Copy. Through something on the roof.

Air three eight pitched it. It looks like a Glock firearm handgun on the roof of. And from air three, so all those lines are smoking and hot. We're looking at it on FLIR, and they're glowing really, really bright. Okay. Copy that. It's again for officer safety. The lines are all hot on the ground. And air three, they're arcing to the trees. I copy. Give me a power line to arcing in the tree.

Yeah.

Guys, you may wanna advise fire before they start throwing a ton of water on that that the entire all the trees, you can see it on FLIR, electrified.

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Suspects are armed with knives and firearm.

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six on the Seaside 317.

771, we have him underneath a a vehicle. Do you know what? Rice Way and Rice Drive. Okay. I need a couple of southern units to do whatever three said before they didn't Yeah.

Okay. So everybody else start moving in and start blocking your swaps. Everyone move in, but but make sure you

left.

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Thank you. So if a picture is worth a thousand words, a video is worth a little bit more than that. As you can see, the air support is an incredibly vital component of the city's public safety strategy. The unit consists unit consists of one sergeant currently, three pilots, and two tactical flight officers, all of which are sworn positions. The pilot oversees aircraft safety, flight, and communications with air traffic control, while the detectable flight observer, also known as the TFO, handles law enforcement related operations such as managing pursuits, locating missing persons, and coordinating rescue efforts.

They are the direct liaison between the pilots and and the observers in the air and the units on the ground. Currently, air support has one A Star helicopter. It flies seven days a week for four point five hours a day. It assists patrol, special operations, sounds like fire, CAL FIRE and rescues. Air three has a 55% downtime per year for maintenance.

Specifically for patrol patrol assists for 2024, they responded to twelve thirty events. They were first on scene 83% of the time. They were attributed with 460 arrests, 30 guns recovered, a 108 pursuits, and 11 located missing persons. They were a great force multiplier for the department and for the city. With the staffing shortages that we have, air support provides an immediate solution to making patrol more efficient.

As you saw in the video, there were a few examples of just that. Through our Crime Analysis Unit, we've determined that one officer in the tactical flight observer position in the Air three makes as many stolen vehicle recoveries as 38 officers on the ground. Based on their observations in the air and what they can observe, it equals 38 officers on ground. It helps limiting liability. Three cancels pursuits and surveils suspects, which means fewer collisions.

Air three is the only safe tool we have to catch fleeing felons. Air three can locate the armed suspects before officers can search, protecting officers by giving them valuable time, distance, and better use of force decisions. In the video, it demonstrated when the subject threw the firearm on top of the roof and allowed the officers vital information so that way they can make better decisions when they're going into that yard to search for that suspect. New tracking policy on Air three pursuits greatly lowers liability as well when Air three is available. Air three is available to assist patrol of 8% of the hours each year.

The department estimates that a fixed wing aircraft along with an additional A Star helicopter would enable aerial coverage for 100% of the time. There were no other airships in our county or neighboring counties during nighttime operations. Next steps, continue maintenance and repairs to mitigate risk of future incidents to our aircraft. City Council adopted aerial support in the legislative program. Explore funding opportunities through state and federal grants.

And then lastly, complete aircraft hangar expansion project at the San Jose International Airport, which has an anticipated completion date of somewhere 2025 through the Measure T project. And that concludes our presentation. We'll be happy to take any questions.

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valuable tool in the toolbox to be able to assist the police department. I was curious, know, I know that when lean times of budget come around, sometimes you have to get a little bit creative in terms to in terms of how do you acquire, you know, the tools that you need, but also, figure out how to pay for them. Right? And, I think that it would be great to have additional aircraft to be able to assist. I mean, it's sort of a shame that it's only used 45% of the time because of maintenance and, you know, certainly having the ability to have other support would be beneficial to the city.

But one of the things that I was wondering about is whether or not it has been brought up, and I just don't know, in terms of looking at, showed a sort of a shared interest in helicopter. And the reason I thought about that is that when I was on the water district board, we didn't really have a use for a helicopter and, partnered with the sheriff's department where, you know, for a certain amount of or a percentage of, you know, sort of dollars that whenever there was flooding or emergency that we would need to use a helicopter. So we partnered, I think we partnered financially to be able to to, have the sheriff's department, buy the helicopter, but that, you know, if we needed it on emergency basis, we would have access. Right? So I don't know from a funding point of view if that would make things go faster given that we have budget challenges, but I was just curious if you're looking at alternative ways of being able to acquire the aircraft, another helicopter, and have it as a sort of a shared kind of equipment.

Thank you, Councilmember, for your question. We I mean, our air unit right now kind of acts as a regional asset for the area. I think if we were to explore partnering with other allied agencies in our county, We would also be sharing that aircraft with the needs of the other cities within the county. And so we might gain some more coverage. We also might not see as much bang for a buck if we were to be partnered with other allied agencies because they would also want that time spent in their cities also as well. I'll have Sergeant Erbbs talk a little bit more about some of the specifics to your question.

Council Member Khamenei. Thank you for the question. Yes, we have looked at that and being as creative as we are, we look at what other people have done first, right? So as Chief Sanchez mentioned, does become if they, for example, say, oh we're gonna pay 10% of the budget for this and we want 10% of the troll time. And it becomes kind of a sticky point because if something major is happening in one location but we have to allocate time to another one and some predetermined percentage, then things that should be getting investigated or get get our attention or not.

So the the workaround to that, excuse me, was typically if we would fund the whole thing and on the front end, but they all have a cooperative cooperative agreement that if they are used, if they are called, we are called and we respond to them, there is a quote unquote power by the hour kind of thing. There's an hourly cost associated for the aircraft, the maintenance, the staff of pilots. All that stuff is calculated into one number. So we just calculate that and bill them to it. That's the only way that we can remain autonomous in the control of the aircraft at any given time for and prioritize the city's needs appropriately over their hourly requirements.

Okay. Thank you for that. I also wanted to know if you would need, let's say that we're able to purchase an aircraft as well as a second helicopter. Do you have the staff to be able to pair up with any extra need? Like right now it says that the helicopter is in the shop most of the time, I mean more than 55% of the time. So would you be able to manage and have staff to be able to utilize it more often?

Yes, thank you for that question as well. Yes, we would. We did have one officer retire so that did take a hit to our staffing. However, even with the staff that we have currently, the main restriction would be the equipment, namely the aircraft. So if we did, we're able to secure more aircraft, the pilot and TFO complement that we have right now could do that, especially initially.

As you mentioned, if the equipment increased to even a third aircraft, staffing would have to be increased. But the level of staff that it takes to operate extra flight time is kind of negligible for us as all of our pilots are cross trained with fixed wing and rotorcraft. So they would all be able to operate it going forward. So to answer your question immediately, not necessarily, but as the aircraft fleet grew, then yes, at some point we would need to increase staffing.

Great. Great. And you know I had the opportunity, I think it's like a few years ago when I first started on council to be able to go see your operations and I was very impressed with the training. It's really, really rigorous. I look forward to when the hang when the new hangar is available. And, you know, I know it takes time to be able to, you know, order, you know, aircraft and helicopter, whatever it is, and, you know, it's over time. So, hopefully, the hangar will be done, ready, and we'll be able to have the resources to be able to support you. So thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you council member Kamay. Now we'll go to council member Salas.

Yeah. I'm gonna open by telling you there is not one day that goes by when I don't have so much gratitude for what you three and all the officers and support staff of PD does. I thank my stars every day for what you do and my neighbors and my family feel the same way. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir. You are amazing people and we know what you have to go through especially in these times. So thank you.

Thank you, sir.

I'm kind of building off of Councilmember Khmey's question. So there's the economic scale of a second copter is really the capital cost and incidental maintenance and staffing, but is that what you're suggesting? Let's just take a second copter. It's really the capital cost and not significantly much more recurring costs like maintenance and staffing. Is that right?

Yes, thank you for the question. I'll answer it kind of in a larger kind of answer and then I'll let Sergeant Erds kind of drill down a little bit more on your question. When we have a second aircraft, we can reduce the amount of maintenance that will go into just the one because we put a lot of hours on the one, it also incurs a lot of maintenance as a result of that. The maintenance has a very significant cost to it. So if we add additional aircraft, we would lower the amount of hours it's flown, lowering the maintenance.

And then additionally, would have some resale value for it later where we can get constantly getting new aircraft as they reach their time where we could resell it for a good price to be able to get another aircraft. But I'll defer more to Sergeant Erbs.

Yes. Thank you for the question, Councilman Tullis. So, yeah. So the what and this is this is not necessarily a theory. We this is what we, again, we've copied from other depart or I should say gleaned from other departments that that do it, particularly Southern California where they have a lot more aircraft. What they do is they split time. So say you have a thousand flight hours on one aircraft, well if you split them between two, yes the initial investment is there. However, you're spreading out the maintenance cycles. The initial investment is significant. Obviously we know that.

But what I think is typically not understood is that as the maintenance increases, that actually becomes the greater of the costs. So if you really are using one single airframe, excessively, the level of regulation and required maintenance on it to keep it, to make sure it's airworthy and in the safest condition becomes the cost becomes exorbitant, even more than the aircraft itself, the initial purchase. So as Chief Sanchez said, if we split that time, that one aircraft instead of flying one aircraft for x number of hours over a five year period, you can stretch it out over ten years. It still has lower flight time and so it hasn't reached those maintenance milestones that are super expensive. And so on top of that you're saving the maintenance cost, but when you sell the aircraft fully equipped you can buy it or sell it to another agency that will buy it fully equipped and you can depending on how well you've maintained it, which we do maintain as well as I think most, you can get a significant recovery from that which most of them rollover into purchasing a new aircraft.

So it really offsets the cost to replace the one you just got rid of.

Thank you. Southwest Airlines has done very well with always buying 737s so they have the same maintenance. Could you explain briefly why you wouldn't get a third helicopter rather you'd get an airplane? Because you were talking about two helicopters and one airplane. It seems like it would be a major difference.

Yes. Thank you for that. Yes, so there's all of the essential functions for law enforcement for the most part can be accomplished by a helicopter, but it does have limitations. A fixed wing aircraft can share some of that load. They can split what the helicopter does.

In addition to that it has mission capabilities that the helicopter does not. For covert surveillance, long run time, we have I can actually send you a document we've put together with a Venn diagram that actually shows kind of what they can both do and then what each one is more suited to. But basically the fixed wing aircraft would allow us to do missions that the helicopter is not particularly suited for. And in certain capacities such as like a natural disaster that don't happen as often, you have a lot longer flight time with a fixed wing. The maintenance on a fixed wing is considerably less than a helicopter.

It's somewhat less. It's not cheap, but it's less expensive to buy a fixed wing and have it outfitted than it is for a helicopter. But the maintenance going remember that's what we were talking about is that can be the lion's share of the cost as you own it longer. It's significantly reduced for a fixed wing. So just for comparison, even a helicopter that has hours spread out on it, most agencies will sell them at about a ten year time frame and try to get what they can recover, what they can out of it cost wise.

Fixed wing aircraft, well maintained, will run you twenty, twenty five years of service life and like I said with lower maintenance costs. So it's a bit different, but even if the helicopter were not operational for maintenance or or something of that nature, the fixed wing could still pick up a lot of that load that the helicopter can do anyway. Couple things it it's not capable of doesn't Spotlight wouldn't work from its flight altitude and the PA system it wouldn't work either. But other than that the fixed wing could do, and it can't do rescue missions, excuse me. But other than that it could do pretty much all of the police functions that were needed by patrol.

Thank you. And then we could probably spend hours on my last question, but you can keep it very brief if possible. I'm sure you've looked into drones. Have you looked into drones and what, at a high level summary, would it be found relative to drones?

Thank you for that question as well. We do currently use drones. You do. We do them for incidents that are happening in real time. They're deployed out in the field with some officers that have been trained. We use them on critical incidents. And that's one way to use drones. If you're talking about a drone's first responders or a DFR program as they're referred to, takes that's that a different kind of form and that takes a lot more money to really deploy for a city with the amount of square miles the city has. But there's limitations to drones. They both have a space, I believe.

But drones the drawbacks to drones is their battery life essentially. We can get anywhere between a half an hour, maybe forty five minutes with really good weather conditions. But we have to bring them back and then battery swap them out. So we don't have the same amount of flight time as we would with an aircraft. Similarly, because

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the battery life, drones don't have really long range capabilities. So if there was a Pursuit or something that stretched beyond a couple miles, the drones wouldn't really be very useful because they have to come back for a battery swap. So they do have a place. We do currently use them. But to outfit a city this large with drones to do what we're asking the aircraft to do would be a lot of money.

Thank you very much. That really helps.

Okay. We're gonna try that one more time. Thank you council council member Salaz. We're gonna go to council member Casey.

Thank you. Appreciate I think the most compelling slide was the force multiplier slide. We're woefully understaffed. Right? We have nowhere near the manpower or woman power that we need for a 181 square mile city. I think this narrative would be much more compelling if it was more of a quantitative analysis in terms of return on investment. I hate to frame this as a cost. I'd like to see it more as an investment that will reap the benefits from. So we need more aircraft. I think logistically it just makes sense.

So, if we could put this presentation into more of a quantitative analysis and show us why we're getting tremendous bang for our buck, that would be my preference. But, I appreciate what you guys are doing and I'm very supportive of this type of unit expanding and getting more resources. So, thank you.

Thank you, council member. We can definitely get staff to work on that for you.

Thank you, council member Casey. We're gonna go to council member Momo Kehi.

Council member Casey, I don't know where we went to high school, but you basically took the words right out of my mouth. Thank you deputy chief. Thank you all for your service. Really appreciate it. Force multiplier grabbed me right away as well.

So I would echo this, and I would sort of add a little nuance to it. With new technologies like with FLoC for example, right, you have a whole new set of tools that allow you to be supportive from the air and actually take over investigations because you're up there and you can get to cars identified by the flock system that you carry on the copter as well as in the cars. So for that reason alone, just with advancements in technology and how you've grown the system and effectiveness, I think would be helpful in that quantitative analysis, right? Because there's a force multiplier in and of itself right there. So as even more technology comes online, we're installing cameras around the city, right, I'd be interested in knowing how that will affect the overall effectiveness and sort of the analysis on the numbers and the ROI that the council member was talking about.

So I talked about flock. What is the capacity of the new hangar that is under construction at this point on the West side of the airport? What's the capacity there?

Yes, thanks for the question. It's got two hangar bays. Initially I think it was meant to house designed to house one fixed wing and one helicopter.

Okay. Okay, that's helpful. Thank you. Thanks for your service. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Thank you, council member Mulcahy. We're gonna go to council member Kamay.

Yes. I'd like to move, accepting the status report of the police department's air support current and planned activities.

Second.

Thank you. And I before we go forward with the vote, I I just got a quick question for our police department. First of all, you for for the great work. If air three is a sole aerial support for not only the count our county and surrounding county. How does the San Jose PD and the city get compensate for that mutual aid if you will?

Yeah, don't think we currently have a policy in place to recoup any monies from any other counties cities for its use. I believe that's the case. I don't know, yeah, we don't have an ability to do that currently.

Do we have any plan to to does that to do that billing in in order to share the cost?

I'll defer that to lieutenant Hamlin who's on his way down.

Paul Hamlin with Research and Development. We've discussed it. It's something that we are kind of in the very preliminary stages doing. I don't think that until recently we were aware that we being used so much. And I think one of the areas that and maybe their support guys will disagree with me, I think one of the areas that we've really been used a lot is on sideshows.

And I think with the sideshows developing in the last few years I think that's when we've really begun going outside of our jurisdiction and helping other jurisdictions and also with some of their rescues. And so I think it's something that I think we're just becoming aware of that may be an issue that we need to discuss and and work on doing something to recoup some of those fees.

Thank you so much. Is there any other question? Let's vote. And we have unanimous vote. Thank you so much for the presentation and continue with the good work.

Next item. Item number four, we had fireworks, ordinance, work plan and status report. And I believe we have a presentation. We have deputy chief fire chief, deputy chief, James Dobson, deputy police chief, Brian Spears, Rachel Robert from code enforcement and number at Agrawal from IT and Kim Herrera from San Jose three one one.

Good afternoon, chair, committee members, and city staff. My name is James Dobson, deputy fire chief and fire marshal for the San Jose Fire Department. With me today, I have Rachel Roberts with code enforcement, Brian Spears, deputy chief with the police department. I you've already indicated that I have enterprise supervising technology analyst, Namrata Batra Agrawal, and program manager manager, Keohara. The fire department works in collaboration with the police department, code enforcement, city IT, the city attorney's office, and the city manager's office at the direction of council to provide the twenty twenty four fireworks coordinates work plan status report update.

The goal of the fireworks campaign is to limit the use and sale of illegal fireworks and to create opportunities for partnering agencies to establish relationships with our community organizations to increase our reach of our fed up with fireworks messaging, which focus on the extreme risk of illegal fireworks posed to our community, property, and the environment, especially during wildfire season. Community reporting through the SJ three eleven online illegal fireworks reporting tool and the call center is utilized for targeted campaign advertising and establishing fire fire and police preemptive presence in hot spot areas. Registered users who report who issue reports provide necessary evidentiary information and create opportunities for enforcement by police and code enforcement. Other campaign goals included reducing injuries and fires, decreasing illegal fireworks in historic hotspot areas, increasing awareness of enforcement fines, and utilizing the SJ three one one dashboard to inform city staff and the public of timely reporting data. Although much of the attention about illegal fireworks comes during the fourth of July holiday due to the propensity to spark vegetation and structure fires, the illegal fireworks team meets year round to develop strategies to limit their use.

On 10/27/2020, city council directed city staff to work on several items associated with the fireworks ordinance work plan. To date, many of these items have been completed, such as the creation of the social host ordinance, reporting to city council in 2020, regular reporting to this committee, evaluating citation issuance protocols, evaluating the use of drones for enforcement activities, comparing illegal fireworks fine amounts throughout the region, funding a hotspot enforcement program, and creating the SJ three one one illegal fireworks reporting tool, as well as collaborating with county, state, and federal partners. Although marked complete, the illegal fireworks team continues to evaluate opportunities that will help further the goals of the program, such as revisiting drone use in collaboration with the social host ordinance, evaluating increasing and fine amounts set by the state for the sale of illegal fireworks, enhancing the s j three one one illegal fireworks dashboard to allow for real time data use by first responders and collaboration with partnering agencies to determine what is working in their communities and how we can use it here in San Jose. The illegal fireworks teams continues to work on two items listed in the fire ordinance work plan.

First, we continue to improve our educational campaign's cultural competency. In 2024, we utilized multi language messaging based on hotspot mapping and neighborhood demographics to reach residents in their primary language of English, Spanish, Vietnamese, traditional and simplified Chinese. Second, we continue to seek funding sources at the state and federal levels that will support the campaign. In 2024, we applied for a FEMA grant to conduct a complete refreshment of our illegal fireworks campaign. Even though we weren't successful in being awarded the grant, we continue to look for creative funding sources to refresh the campaign in the future and work in the present to enhance the messaging.

Replacing banners, printing materials, conducting media advertising is expensive, and we exhaust our annual budget of $15,000 every year. This slide provides a snapshot of the 2024 illegal fireworks campaign. It started in August 2023 as the team completed the reporting process for warnings and citations. We met as a team to evaluate lessons learned from the 2023 campaign that could be used to enhance the 2024 campaign, such as early engagement and signage in our city parks to remind residents that fireworks are illegal and that parks shut down at dusk. We then start planning next year's enhancements.

At the beginning of the New Year, the team launches public awareness campaigns targeting elevated fireworks use areas on holidays such as Lunar New Year. As May starts, the team begins to set to create a fourth of July public awareness and enforcement campaign. We evaluate hotspot mapping and establish advertising and enforcement targets to limit the use of illegal fireworks. As the Lunar New Year passes, council members and media are provided access to illegal firework campaign data showing the number of calls, reports, warnings, and citations issued. When July comes, the team has already started our public awareness campaign, and we've begun conducting targeted police enforcement using hotspot data and ramped up first responder visibility in target areas.

As the July 4 holiday passes, council members and the media are again provided access to illegal fireworks campaign data as the teams continue to process reports for warnings, citations and hotspots. Here are some examples of the diverse message we use in our advertising. This past year, our hotspot targeted print advertising included billboards, bus stop enclosures, banners at city owned buildings, and leaflets placed at our community centers and libraries. We aim to get people thinking about the consequences of using illegal fireworks within their community and deter illegal behavior that negatively affects our community. For targeted electronic advertising, we utilized the city's fireworks website, e notifications, Facebook ads, Instagram, X, and Nextdoor to solicit thousands of page views, tens of thousands of engagements, and numerous impressions.

The fireworks team also created press conference with the mayor and council members to advertise safe and legal fireworks displays with the goal of creating safe spaces to observe fireworks while deterring the illegal use of fireworks. At the request of last year's PISFIS committee, we have started including Lunar New Year data in our memo and our PowerPoint presentation. However, most illegal fireworks data that we receive continues to come from the fourth of July holiday. The July resource reporting period was June 1 through July 8. This timeframe includes the run up to the holiday and the weekend after the holiday.

The San Jose Fire Department continued to spend time and resources enhancing our documentation of fireworks related calls. In the past, our responses were based on what we found in the field. For the last two years, not only do we include what we found in the field, but we've also included the initial nature of the call into our numbers as far as our calculation. If a 09:11 caller identified the call as involving fireworks, we use that in the calculation. The fire department responded to 102 emergency response calls associated with fireworks, resulting in two structure fires, 38 vegetation fires, 17 outside rubbish fires, 31 noise, smoke or report or condition investigations, and 12 medical calls.

We saw a slight increase in the number of calls for service and a slight reduction in the number of structure fires, but an increase in the number of vegetation fires and medical calls. There are many factors that increase the potential for fires, including receptive fuels, wind, humidity. Our fuels were drier than the previous year, but our humidity was high last year, with seasonal average winds leading up to and through the fourth of July holiday. We were fortunate to receive rains through spring compared to two years ago when we were experiencing drought like conditions. I would like to convey in the strongest way possible that our community needs to continue to focus on eliminating illegal fireworks to prevent further damage when fuels and weather conditions are less favorable.

To increase the city's ability to provide targeted messaging enforcement, we attempt to encourage reporting of illegal fireworks through our SJ-three 11 app and web based reporting tool. The illegal fireworks campaign introduced SJ-three 11 reporting the tool two years ago. The SJ-three 11 reporting tool improved on previous reporting platforms in two significant ways. First, the SJ three one one platform did not allow incomplete reporting to be submitted, which ensured that every report of illegal fireworks received was actionable for either warnings, enforcement, or hotspot reporting. While it was thought that including an ability to report through the SJ three zero one platform anonymously would increase the number of reports submitted, it also coincided with a decline in the number of administrative study stations issued based on a lack of enforcement evidence.

This July 4, the SJ-three 11 reporting tool received a total of eight twenty four reports, resulting in 105 warnings, zero citations and 119 hotspot data points sorry, eight nineteen hotspot data points. The number of reports was less than the previous year. Community associations have expressed concerns about the lack of administrative citations issued and that making the report does not trigger an immediate response from our first responders. We are continuing to listen and attempt to address the concerns made by our community. The reduced administrative citations issued by code enforcement may be tied to the reduced registered user reporting.

Staff are evaluating elimination of the anonymous reporting mechanism to see if this increases the evidence necessary to increase enforcement activities. All hotspot data that we've received in 2024 will be utilized for the 2025 campaign. On July, the 311 illegal fireworks phone hotline received two zero one calls. 116 of these callers disconnected after listening to an informative message directing them to the online reporting tool, and 85 of the total callers were ultimately transferred to the after hours service for assistance in making reportings or other inquiries. Due to the nature of fireworks usually being set off after normal business hours at night, no calls were answered by the SJ-three eleven staff.

Since the successful launch of the online reporting tool, we have seen a steady decline in the use of the fireworks hotline. However, it continues to provide the community with a valuable messaging about the online reporting tool, and it also provides another option for community members who may not have access to online reporting to make reports. The police department leveraged social media and public service announcements to emphasize that fireworks are illegal and deter the use of illegal fireworks. They utilized targeted road diversions to reduce fireworks activities. They attempted to utilize the internal SJ three eleven reporting dashboard to advise officers of enhanced illegal fireworks activity.

Officers responded to the areas in a serpentine deployment pattern to maximize resources and increase visibility and deterrence by creating the perception of a larger police presence for the fourth of July holiday. Unfortunately, the refresh rates of the s j three one one dashboard did not provide timely updates to the police department, and the two duty sergeants assigned to illegal fireworks shifted to a self deploy strategy enabling officers to proactively respond to fireworks complaints and manage public safety concerns without relying on the dashboard. In addition to the department, through parks earlier in the day to provide information that fireworks are illegal and that parks close at sunset. They returned to clear the parks at sunset, significantly reducing the illegal fireworks use in these areas. The police department received 522 calls for service involving illegal fireworks.

They conducted one arrest, issued seven citations, and confiscated approximately 300 pounds of fireworks. The number of calls for service decreased slightly from the previous year, while the number of arrests and citations decreased a little bit more significantly than the previous year. But these numbers are in alignment with years prior. The visual display shows our internal illegal fireworks dashboard. The user can select the date range and the dashboard will display the number of reports filed per district and neighborhood.

This is also what the public can see. The map will geographically display all the legal fireworks reports during the selected date range. Due to privacy concerns, the public facing dashboard map does not have a zoom in feature. Authorized city staff can zoom down to individual neighborhoods and streets to deploy resources for high visibility patrols and potential enforcement activity. We have heard strong support from registered users regarding the dashboard.

For the twenty twenty five Lunar New Year, ITD piloted a successful enhancement so that the refresh rates were at five minutes. We're hoping that this can be used by first responders in their responses. Consistent with the twenty twenty three years data, legal fireworks reporting for 2024 spiked just before and after the fourth of July holiday. This year, the number of anonymous users was roughly equal to that of the registered user reports. In fact, so equal you can't even see it on this graph.

The outcomes of last year's fireworks campaign include targeted social media outreach refresh, expanded messaging tool kits for council members, the media, our residential associations, continued collaboration between city and county agencies, which has led to new enforcement opportunities, community engagement through open communication with our neighborhood associations, targeted enforcement using our internal SJ-three 11 dashboard, and enhanced next steps for the program moving forward. At this point, I'd like to go over some of our next steps that we're hoping to utilize in the 2025 campaign. And they involve collaborating with city departments to address the remaining work plan items. We are currently partnering with the Office of Racial and Social Equity to develop micro surveys to evaluate cultural competency and determine whether our multi language messaging reaches our residents as intended. We will be asking for your help and the neighborhood associations so that we can disseminate the survey and expand our reach.

We will continue to foster relationships at a local, regional, and state level to identify successful practices in deterring the legal use of fireworks and look to incorporate them again into our campaign. We will continue to seek out and apply for state and federal grants to invest in our campaign and deter illegal fireworks. We will look to enhance targeted high visibility patrols by police and fire to reduce hot spotting areas throughout the city. We will use accelerated refresh rates tested during the Lunar New Year holiday to enhance the police department's ability to conduct targeted enforcement. Oops.

Sorry. Too fast. We are evaluating increasing our local fine amounts to be consistent with the state's recent fine increases of up to a 100,000 for this illegal sale of fireworks. We are working to set an aggressive fine for spectators of illegal firework shows. And finally, the police department will pilot a drone enforcement program in conjunction with the social host ordinance and code enforcement to target high use areas of illegal fireworks identified by our twenty twenty four hotspot mapping.

Thank you for the opportunity to share our team's efforts in attempting to reduce illegal fireworks. We are now available for your questions.

Thank you for the presentation. Do we have any public comments?

No public comment.

Okay. We're gonna go to council member Kameh.

Thank you for the report. You've got a lot of stuff going on. And, you know, I don't know how you do it because I know there are other things that you do. But, you know, it sounds like it's been a a good team effort. So I wanna applaud the team on, you know, sort of coming together and really trying to address, an issue that has been, you know, a challenge for a little bit.

And, and so I just I just wanted to say thank you and, you know, I know that there's always somebody out there, you know, where it, you know, it seems like lots of fun, but it's it's very, very dangerous. And when we have dry conditions and, you know, many of our youth thinks, oh, this sounds like fun. It is not fun. It is very dangerous. And so, I like the, the campaign that you did and, in in collaboration with with the other team members.

And, I think that we need to, continue that because people forget. People think, oh, well, it's not gonna happen to me until they blow off their hand or their finger or whatever and then there you go. Or, you know, a fire is started in the rural sort of area where it's there's a lot of brush and then all of a sudden it jumps. So I think that the consequences of it getting out of hand is really, really big. So thank you for your work, and thank you for all you do, and and thank you for everyone coming together on this.

Councilmember McKay, thank you for acknowledging that. I could not do any of this without this team. They put in a lot of hours and work to try and reduce the amount of illegal fireworks we have in the city.

Thank Thank you Councilmember Kameh. We're going to Councilmember Salas.

Yeah, you said you were going to evaluate aligning the state penalties for selling fireworks for $100,000 Why would you evaluate it? Why wouldn't you just do it?

Great question. So we just have to make sure that we're coordinating with the city attorney's office as well as our code enforcement partners to make sure that we go through the process of adjusting the fine amounts. That evaluation process is just setting up those meetings, getting the right people in the room and starting to move in that direction. So yeah I think that's where we're going, it's just a matter of going through the process to get there.

And I'm moving to individual citations, at that level, what are our fines now and are you ever able to find anybody for selling, like last year did you find anyone selling illegal fireworks?

I'm gonna pass that to Rachel Roberts as far as the citation amounts, and then our police department can answer the question about the sale.

Thank you. I'm Rachel Roberts Depe, director of code enforcement. So the current fine amount for a for a spectator is our minimum fine because we don't have a specific fine set for that violation, so it would be $25 currently for a spectator. But if they are in violation of the specific ordinances around fireworks currently it starts at 1,000 goes to 2,000 and then $3,000 as a third penalty.

So if they do it three times, would be three, you would have to catch them three different times to get up to 3,000, is that what you're

It escalates with each infraction, yeah.

Okay and then that is not for selling, that's for blowing them up? I'm just trying to understand because they're currently selling as opposed, and then you mentioned observing at $25 and selling at $100,000 maybe. But for blowing them up, is that what you call observing or is that?

There is

In other words, I'm sorry, between $25 and $1,000 where does that come in?

So fight amount, the 1,000, 2,003 thousand is for the section of the code that speaks to sale, possession, There's or use of a separate section that speaks to spectators that does not currently have a fine amount that's been approved by counsel. So that automatically defaults to our minimum which is $25.

Okay. I have to tell you when I first moved to California, was out of college and I was you know, I thought it was perfect. And I would get a lot of tickets. I would park anywhere and get tickets in San Francisco. And my girlfriend at the time who became my wife said I was an idiot. And eventually about four years later, I got about $2,000 worth of delayed tickets because I was just throwing them in the garbage. All this is great and God bless all of you for what you do. On July 4 it's mayhem, for you it must be. But you didn't have any citations last year and only $25 doesn't do much. Is there any way that you can act I know it must be hard too because somebody driving a car, it's easy to cite them because they're speeding it up a license, but someone throwing fireworks, it's probably tough.

Could you Is there some way that we could have fines at a $100? I mean that's when that's when it sticks is what I'm getting at. I'm not It sounds like we we aren't even giving out citations, it's pretty tough to probably tough to collect and it's probably tough on the police to even approach the people throwing fireworks. So if you could just comment on how we could generate income if you will by making the citizenry happy.

I'll start with that. It is very challenging with illegal fireworks because of their transitory nature. Somebody sets it off, maybe a report comes in by the time either we get the report or we actually have somebody respond to that area, they might be gone. So I think it is a very challenging item. One of the things that we really try and focus on is making sure that for the SJ three eleven tool, the reporting tool, that we have clear instructions regarding what needs to be put on to the report so that it can be enforced against.

We've had challenges with that. We're continuing to try and work on our messaging. And that team, Nimrata, do you have anything that you would like to add to that?

Yeah, just maybe clarifying more messaging of what kind of reports we want to intake and what kind of information we need to enforce. We did have clarifying language initially when we launched the service, but clearly that's possibly not enough and we need to do more.

And then you had another question about the sale of fireworks. I wanted to pass that to Deputy Chief Spears.

And let clarify that a little bit, because I picture that most of those amazing fireworks I see that are illegal are probably bought on Amazon or online or they actually or people actually have in their trunk and they sell them. I'd be curious about where those are.

Sure. That's a great question. Often individuals who are selling illegal fireworks utilize usually the purchases it occurs outside of our our County and sometimes out of our state. Then they're transported, they post online via social media, and then that's where our undercover officers at times when we have the ability work and collaborate to affect the rest by making purchases. So, and it's successful at times.

Thank you.

Yeah, the previous year just to let you know, we were able to target 39,000 pounds of fireworks. Most of it came from a storage facility. But at times we have great success, at times they figure out our methods and it's harder for us to find it.

Thank you, Councilman Salas. Any other question? I do have a comment. I wanna take a moment to acknowledge and support the the innovative work that the fire department, police department, or code enforcement, the city attorney, and other city staff were taken to enhance the the public safety and and through enforcement, effort within our community. I want to highlight the the news of the unmanned aerial, vehicles or drone, if you will.

It's a powerful tool to address illegal fireworks. And that been a a very large concern within our our constituent, especially around fourth of July and so on. In the recent months, my staff and I have spent working with member of all the district leadership group, including code enforcement staff from the city of Elk Grove, if you will. As well as our own city staff to champion and understand how we might implement this pilot program in our city. And, and I know that we shared those those conversation and email and how Elk Grove have implemented their program.

This particular initiative demonstrate forward thinking by leveraging real time data and adaptive technology to not only observe, but also to response more effectively, to the fireworks violation. By deploying the UAV, we can gather crucial intelligent, directly observe individual igniting illegal fireworks or the hotspot and capture video evidence that support future enforcement

action.

The ability to issue administrative, citation through social hotspot, and host, ordinance will hold property owners and renter accountable. Promoting a safety gathering and reducing the risk of fire hazard, injury, and other public safety threats. The UAV program is not about catching violators, it's about keeping our communities safe. Drone will allow us to be more effective and less intrusive method of identifying violators, all while ensuring the safety of of our police officer and our fire department personnel. The collaboration between the fire department, police department, city attorney and code enforcement represent a comprehensive effort to combat illegal firework in a way that it is smart, efficient, and mindful of our community safety and well-being.

As we look forward to upcoming July 4, this pilot program is an important step in our commitment to public safety and I'm I am very confident that it will set a foundation to continue success in the future. I want to thank you all those who are involved and your dedication for making San Jose a safer community. I do have a couple of questions. Given that our PBCE staff received eight twenty four report during fourth July, why are there zero citations despite about 105 warning notice being issued?

So, I think the big reason for that is it's the amount of actionable evidence, it has to be that they're registered users of our systems, so that we actually have a witness. So, Rachel Roberts' team reviews these reports. Do you have anything to add to that?

No, I will add that. I think that it just kinda speaks to how difficult it is to enforce on fireworks because we it is something that's very transient and it is difficult to obtain that evidence in real time. And so there are instances where, you know, we may receive some evidence, but if we don't have a person to follow-up with, we aren't able to move it past a warning notice. But a lot of times it's just we just the evidence isn't there. We just don't have what we need to either substantiate the fireworks occurred or tie it to the individual clearly who who actually committed the violation.

Yeah. And and we understand that, you know, our residents that are making these reports, armed police officers maybe don't know the rules of evidence and what is needed, that's why we're trying to provide information. But I mean, Rachel has shared some of the reports with me, and it's it's a picture of a firework in the middle of an intersection. And there's no way to tie that to anything because they don't show an individual going into a residence, they don't, it's not on somebody's private property. So in those cases it can be very difficult to prosecute.

So it sounds like we need some education to our residents how to report. So that way you can be very clear who, what, when, where, why and how.

Correct. But we look to improve our education in that capacity. We do meet with our neighborhood associations, and we have, in the last two years, created videos that they share with their neighborhood associations on exactly what information is needed and how it is to be reported. We just haven't seen that translate yet into actionable reports for enforcement.

Alright, thank you. The memorandum mentioned that twelve percent result in warning notice or citation. Do you have any statistic that separate between those two?

I probably do, but not off the top of my head.

Okay. Would you provide that to

Sure.

To counsel here. And does staff have the capability to report back to PISVIS within six months following an implementation of the drone pilot in 2025, July 4?

At your direction, we can definitely come back to within six months of that. In the past, we had come to PISFIS in August. It was moved to February to kind of align more with if there was any budgetary needs, but it could move back given direction.

Okay. Well, thank you very much. Any other member have questions? Oh, I'm sorry, back to Council Member Salas.

I think I was kind of rambling but I want to be very specific. On all that messaging, there's nothing about a fine I don't think and what I heard you say is we kind of sort of think it's $25 We would be, I think the council would be happy to support you in saying it's a $250 fine for observing, whatever you called it, and it's a $1,000 fine for selling. If it was on that messaging, that's the thing that gets people attention and I know it's really hard to find the evidence, believe me I understand that, but if that message were there stronger and we would support you higher than $25, fireworks I buy cost $25 each one. And I'm kidding, I don't buy them anymore.

I used to. Do have media, it just wasn't up on the slide as far as advertising and indicating that we do spectators can be fined. We are looking at trying to establish an aggressive fine amount such as what you're saying, $2.50 for a spectator. What we heard from some of the neighborhood associations was $25 is the cost of admission. You've got to make it more aggressive. So we are looking to do that. And then yes, we are looking to increase our fine amount for the sale of illegal fireworks up to $100,000

I'm sure the council would support you if you could get that to us. We'll work to Because do you know, just like you here on fourth of July all we hear is every neighbor screaming about their dogs and this and all the fireworks.

Yeah. So council member Rosales, would you like to motion this, move this to for acceptance to include a coming back to PISVIS within six months following the implementation of the drone pilot program?

Yes and may I add that we come back with specific fines that are no less than $250 for observing and no less than, well if possible 100,000 for selling. If you can do that in six months, we would love to see it and I know our constituents would.

Thank you, hi Jennifer Shumbre. I think we'd like a little flexibility on the fine amounts so let them have them do their work

Thank you, do sorry.

Okay, thank you.

Significant, I guess I would use the term significant. And

then I got council member Kamay.

I just wanted, in addition to the flexibility, one of the things that was described today that we know is that there needs to be some kind of like analysis with the attorney's department. And so I'm, you know, like I'm I'm just a little bit cautious in terms of what can and cannot be done. So maybe it's just a information item that would come back in terms of looking at the status of that. Is that is that okay?

I'm happy with that amendment. I understand. Okay.

And I would second that.

So I just want to clarify it's motion to move to acceptance of the report to include the flexibility in the fine and also to bring it back to PISVS within six months of implementation. Right? Okay. Let's vote. And. And we have unanimous vote. Okay. We're gonna go toward the public forum. Is any other public comments at this time?

No public comment.

Well, meeting is adjourned. Thank you so much for being here.