City Council - Regular Meeting

Clerk Royal, are you good? I'm ready. Okay. Like to call this Selen City Council workmate to order at 5:33 p.m. Members present our council members Dylan, Gerba, Hal, Harmmont, and Maro Deloro will be here momentarily. And as was noted previously, Mayor Prom Rice will be absent from both the work meeting and regular meeting. From city staff, we have city manager Swallow, Clerk Royal, Treasure Finch, um and also from staff, our parks and recck director, our department of public service director, city engineer, and police chief. Um at this time, the chair would entertain a motion to approve the agenda as submitted unless there are amendments. As submitted, moved by Dylan to approve as submitted. Is there a second? Second.

Seconded by Halch. Uh all those in favor of approving the agenda as submitted signify by saying I. I post say nay. I haven't. The motion carries unanimously. Is there a motion now to excuse the absence of our colleague, Mayor Prom Rice? So move. Moved by Harmount to excuse the absence. Is there a second? Second. Seconded by Halch. All those in favor of excusing the absence say I.

I. Post say nay. I haven't. The motion carries unanimously. We come now to public comments under the open meetings act. Any person may come forward at this time make comment or question to city council. This public comment period will be limited to three minutes per person. Anyone who would like to speak is requested, but of course not required to state their name and address for the record. The record will reflect there are no individuals present uh in council chambers uh uh for this work meeting or at least not uh presently. Uh I would defer to the city clerk. Were there any written comments provided in advance of tonight's meeting in which the individual wanted their remarks right at this time? Yes, sir. Very good. Then we will transition to the one and only discussion item which is a recommended fiscal year 2027 budget presentation and review. I will turn it over to staff. City Manager Swallow, would you like to begin?

Yes. Thank you, Mayor Councel. I will start out uh with kind of a little bit of a review of how we, you know, want to structure this evening's meeting and then be, uh, combined with Treasure Finch on the overall presentation. Uh, we also do have some key staff, department heads here this evening. uh uh based on some of the questions that had come up in our first first couple of uh uh work sessions on the budget, the capital improvement and then the general uh overall budget. Uh wanted to have a few folks to answer questions here if those may came up as well. So with that uh slide if you would um what we hope to accomplish this evening is hopefully address some of the questions that came up at our prior work sessions provide uh some locations of where potentially that appears in the budget or answer questions the council may have uh yet this evening. Uh we want to go through sections of the strategic plan to talk about how we feel that we've addressed some of those strategic plan priorities and goals and kind of show you where in the budget we believe that is addressed. And then obviously uh we'll wrap up this evening with questions from council and any areas that you need further or additional information before uh we come to the kind of the adoption process which will occur in May. Um we're hoping by the second meeting in May uh that uh we'll adopting a budget. So we've got about a month uh basically uh before that occurs. So with that slide Ben so hopefully you all recognize these strategic priorities uh from the strategic plan. uh they're pretty much taken right directly from those and we did use these as part of the guidance as we looked at the budget. Obviously there's still what I'll call kind of incremental budgeting involved in this budget where we moved you based on last year I did incremental increases and what we knew about but also wanted to highlight a few of the things that did come uh from the strategic plan. So with that slide B starting with effective asset management

uh clearly we want to continue to uh make and build on uh the uh progress that we made uh thus far uh in shifting from more of what we'll call a little more reactive into more clear asset management uh focused development and how we decide which projects move forward into the capital improvement plan. uh which projects we address uh first versus uh those that are deferred. So with that uh we've had a lot of discussion ongoing about you know continuing to develop the GIS system into the tool that we believe it can be and not only for you know long-term planning but also prioritizing uh projects as they come forward. uh we've had a lot of discussion about that in our asset management uh asset management working group as well about how we how we leverage that investment and we do believe that as we've made significant progress uh you've hopefully seen the dashboard now or maybe had an opportunity to go take a look at that that is public facing that will ultimately become how we communicate with the public on a lot of those projects as well uh but I think that can be very informative um you saw some of those preliminary uh maps not only is there a geographic component to it then to click into that and be able to see uh more detail about the project. Project budget in particular is what we're talking about here. Uh but that has come a long ways uh under under under current uh current status and we hope to continue that. So you'll see additional funding for GIS in not only general fund but also in water sewer funds. Uh so that that is this ongoing project. Uh also, uh one of the key staff additions that's proposed as part of this budget is the additions of a facilities manager within the department of public services. Uh so that is a key element. What we've seen uh over time is that not having a specific person that is responsible for uh projects and specifically our buildings in in particular, but also uh some of our

other facilities, but the buildings uh and parks uh are are key elements of those. Um that having someone to kind of if you will shepherd those projects through the process and also work with the department heads on specific needs in their area would be highly beneficial. So uh we are proposing the addition of a facilities manager. That wage is actually allocated out amongst three different funds again a general fund, water and sewer but they would be really a citywide uh staffing resource with that slide been ahead of me. All right. Uh one of the other key uh key goals uh coming out of the uh uh coming out of the strategic plan is how can we better communicate with the public be as transparent as possible. Uh looking at uh looking at some ways we can be a little easier to find information uh to find out what's coming up in terms of meetings. Uh looking at our how our agendas are posted and how that information is posted. right now you kind of have to go documents demand maybe find your uh find your group maybe you know dig a little deeper and some of the subcommittees are not always there uh and committees uh that uh we we administer here at the city commissions. So with uh what we'd like to do is transition to uh the diligent software and also not only move city council but also all of our uh regular boards and commissions uh to publish their agendas, minutes uh and uh on that as well as all the attachments. It is uh my opinion uh and clerk has done a lot of research on this as well a lot easier to find information. You can see the entire agenda packet move through the agenda packet. Also, it does track also who the members of our various boards and commissions and what their terms are. And so, that's been the comment is, you know, how do we know when terms are coming up and when appointments may be needed? Uh how do residents find out more information

about particular groups? So, we do believe that would be helpful uh in in this transition and moving to this uh new software platform. In terms of fiscal stewardship, we've talked a little bit uh already about some of the changes that we've made in the budget format. So, can I actually maybe um let Treasure Finch talk a little more detail about that?

Sure. Absolutely. Um like city manager Swallow said, we've made some changes to the format. We've pulled that fund balance out of the presentation piece so we can truly see our revenues and expenditures and and how much we're actually leaning on that fund balance whether it's operationally or for capital improvement. So, that's uh an important step towards um transparent financial reporting so it's easier to read and and more apparent. Um, we are working internally on some internal control updates as far as features that we have in our BSNA cloud software to make sure that we are we are top-notch as far as our our fiscal stewardship internally. Um, we are making decisions and and uh projections in this budget to restore our fund balance after significant use of it in the current fiscal year. So that's that's proposed in this budget. Um not only to meet our minimum of 15% but to rise above that and get closer to that 20% reserve. And then um a priority in fiscal year 27 while this is not necessarily a a budget piece we are looking to get three-year projections built out um for the fiscical year 28 budget presentation. So that's one of the key goals for fiscal steward fiscal stewardship in the strategic plan. Um, and then finally, the one piece I wanted to comment on was an updated water and sewer rate study, which is obviously going to be very important for for the projections and financial planning long term.

Can I stop you there, Treasure Finch? Um, Mr. Goodman, we're getting a little bit of an echo from um from staff's microphones, particularly um city manager and and city treasure. Just wanted to make make note of that. Please continue. I present there.

Yeah. Couple other U I guess I'll call them Meyer, but it is I think um again uh a little more transparency, a little bit more easy to find information again transferring the vehicle equipment replacement fund out of the general fund into its own fund. Also for longerterm planning, understanding what we have for uh kind of budget and and fund balance available for new equipment purchases. So that was a another fairly significant change uh this year. So and we're moving on. All righty. So, organizational effectiveness. Uh we already talked about how um we're going to address some of the challenges we've had with uh some our facilities maintenance with the addition of the facilities manager. Again, having kind of a coordinating person in that role, I think will be will be helpful in that regard. Uh with the the significant change in the wastewater treatment plant and some of the additional processes that are occurring there, we are proposing an additional employee to manage those. Uh one of one of the things that uh as you recall uh in the earlier budget discussions uh we did have a potential request for two new employees at the uh wastewater plant. Uh looking at that, we felt that well from a staffing and trans uh transition and training standpoint uh maybe would be bringing better decision one at this point in to let our current current staff fully understand you know what is involved in new plant what's you know what uh what additional resources do we need um maybe there's a spec specific skill set we get we need to go after more so in in the kind of what I'll call the second employee uh for that. So with that also uh just to kind of make sure that uh we have the full rate study completed as well um so we understand what our what our financial obligations are and that we are covering appropriately uh with rates to cover our expenses. So uh with that uh the other thing that was brought up previously um was making sure we have adequate training budget available for council and staff members. Uh that has been

increased particularly at the council level. Um, however, we also took into account, you know, we didn't really large increases, a little over $1,000 increases uh from the last discussion. Um, and we can continue to evaluate that. Uh, but uh obviously uh as council needs or uh is requesting more training, um we can we can adjust that. Uh right now we felt that increase was appropriate, but to make sure there is adequate budget not only there but also for uh staffing level as well. All right. Next, uh supporting a viable community. Uh one of the key uh other requests in this budget from a staffing perspective is uh the uh creation of the economic development director. That was a key goal in the plan of to create an economic development department for uh the city of Sling. Uh we previously had kind of an a lead or an onbudsman uh that dealt with business uh owners in the community. Uh this would be a dedicated staff person for that role. also working more closely with Sling Main Street uh program, working more closely with uh uh with Ann Arbor Park, working more closely with our state agencies. I know it was brought up last time from a a workforce standpoint, you know, also um how are we how are we maybe uh providing more information community on where they can seek uh uh additional resources or where they can find employment. So, that would be another key uh component of the economic development director position. uh ongoing support for Main Street. Uh we've kept that uh kept that level. Um also I guess you could look at uh uh certainly the Dport Curtis House as a viable community component. And so there's additional budget for that going forward, not only for the debt service, but also for uh facility maintenance and some planning work in the in the next fiscal year. So thing we uh are also looking at public transportation. One of the things that we're going to want to talk about later is, you know, how do

you want to see the proposal maybe come back from People's Express? Uh what level of service do you want to see from them? Uh so that's something that is a something we want to hear back from council. We did include uh what I'll call their their lower level budget uh in that in that component uh in the budget for this coming fiscal year. Uh but again uh we may have some more ongoing negotiation with People's Express for that. uh parks and recck services. Uh continuing uh not only the recreation center but also investment in our parks and uh we talked a little bit about the separate parks and trees budget um or department and how that is allocated. Uh so you'll see that continuing on with some small increases there as well. Um looking at the general fund support for the recreation center. That's obviously something that uh will be coming back to you uh from the implement implementation team with some more specific recommendations uh in June. Uh but you will see what I'll call continued level of service uh in the current budget for the recreation center and then uh some capital needs at the recreation center. Luckily, we have received that uh federal earmark. So, we'll be planning on uh those investments and making sure we understand where those funds are going exactly. that those uh were identified in the budget at least the first what I'll call first half of that funding level that 2.7 million uh has been identified in this budget to fall under that uh under that grant or under that earmark. So next slide personal planning and smart growth. Uh, one of the comments we did hear earlier in the budget process uh was to include uh some master plan work, not only citywide but maybe park spark, excuse me, park specific because we have the 5-year master plan uh for the parks coming up. Uh so we did include budget for both of those items in uh in the proposed fiscal year 27 budget. Uh also we believe that uh certainly economic development director role would play a key uh part in this working with

community development department on continued changes you know getting more feedback from our our builders from our developers from our business community on what updates we may need to make in our policies and ordinances. So covering that as well. So moving on the next slide employing a skilled workforce. Uh there are market adjustments in wages uh based on uh what we anticipate uh coming through. Obviously a lot of the evaluations have not been done at this point. Uh so we'll have some more fine-tuned numbers uh for that coming soon, but uh we do believe based on past uh experience as well as taking a look at uh where we're at marketwise that we've plugged in at least appropriate increases on the wage level. Uh as was mentioned previously uh we do have funds budgeted for training conference and education and specifically for city council as well. Uh as noted uh while we were proposed uh earlier to add two employees at PCF uh we own uh the pollution control facilities uh for those that may not be familiar with that acronym. We are looking at phasing those in one new employee and then reevaluating that for fiscal year 28. Uh and for the reasons to make sure that we have that budget covered in our current rates in particular. And then community prior prioritizing community health, wellness, and safety. Uh as uh as we have for the past several years, we have budgeted for a fully staffed police department. Uh while we did have one recent departure, we are anticipating uh quickly moving into recruitment process and getting that position filled. And it does again support some ongoing education uh for our our public safety professionals. So with that, next step. All right. set of focus topic. One of the things that uh I

think was brought up last time was you know is there a true need uh for the economic development director position and I'm advocating that yes I do believe there is uh some of the things that came out of the strategic plan that we wanted to focus on revenue diversification uh in fact just uh give you a recent example uh working with Ann Arbor Spark uh recently to talk about our industrial properties and what we can do to make sure that those are resilient uh going forward for it since we have not seen a lot of, you know, a lot of investment in that area. You know, we have a lot of existing sites that we do not want to see a decline and want to make sure that how can we make sure that they're new tenants or new uh owners for those properties. How could they be reused if for any reason they do go dark for a period of time uh and looking at kind of that whole looking forward more and uh working more proactively with our partners in that regard, supporting downtown. We know this is a critical element for our community. The identifi identity for many communities is really that downtown area. Uh we've had seen some up and down in terms of vacancies in our downtown uh storefronts. So, we want to make sure we're identifying that ahead of time, working with property owners to make sure we keep uh keep our downtown storefronts full as well as potential growth in the downtown. We have a couple of near downtown projects now uh that are are viable and uh how do we make sure that we can pair that with a developer or overcome hurdles that they may be uh encountering to from the city's perspective how can we make sure that process is as smooth as possible for redevelopment opportunities. Uh was identified grant writing as a key element. So that's something that as we uh develop the uh job description that will be a key requirement uh that they are proficient in grant writing right now. It's kind of department by department uh is you know whatever the whether material might be and we'll

still need those department level experts to input on that but uh who has more experience or finding someone who has more experience uh with the overall grant writing process and tracking those grants uh is something that will be a key element of this position. spoke already about uh business attraction and retention uh development coordination with all our our partner agencies and then really building more of those strategic long-term partnerships. It takes sometimes, you know, projects may take years to develop and having someone that can kind of continue that and keep a continuous person here at the city that they can contact and work with is I believe very important. So those are some of the reasons I obviously have proposed and would support ongoing uh use or or implementation of an economic development director position here at the city. So with that next slide, Ben, you've seen this slide before uh but it has changed slightly. Uh obviously the uh instead of the two wastewater treatment personnel, uh we're only proposing one at this point in time. Uh and really if you look at that administration uh line, that is a little bit deceptive. uh in terms it shows two position increases from FY26 to 27 but that really is backfilling of an existing position and also like to point out that you know obviously we did have a assistant city manager position for some time we are not uh proposing uh to replace that specific position. So the two you see there are the economic development director as well as a backfield position in the treasures department. uh DPW we have the proposed facilities manager as the additional personnel there one additional uh personnel at the wastewater treatment plant and the others are remaining constant. So next slide then one of the comments I heard was you know what are some of the uh general trends over time uh that are happening. So this

is really the entire general fund um and includes both obviously cumulative revenues and cumulative expenditures but I don't know if you want to speak to that a little bit treasure finch on what we've seen um with uh this uh with this overall but really just to show you kind of trend line of what's happening in the general fund. I would just comment that the the variation can be fairly significant in the general fund and that's mostly attributable to the fact that we carry um a lot of capital improvement within that fund. So later city manager Swallow will speak to the the potential of a new fund um that is actual cap capital project fund for those things that don't fall in you know road specific or water and specific um just so that we can truly start to see the trend operationally and we can look at the capital impact separately. I think that one thing this slide does also show is we are being fiscally responsible overall. I mean we see while there are occasions where expenditures may exceed revenues uh the majority of the years you know we are uh we are seeing revenues you know exceed expenditures and we have been able to maintain an appropriate fund balance with that. Next slide, Ben. And one of the other things that uh we heard was we'd like to see some trends in terms of salaries. And while this slide is fairly busy because we have coming from various different sources, it does give you an overall timeline.

Yeah, this there's a lot to look at here. Um so this is all of our full-time salaries from 2020 through excuse me, 2020 through the 2027 projected um or proposed, excuse me. Um obviously separated by fund. So I do want to comment that the general is one of the highest because there is a portion of DPW that's also carried there as well. Um something else I wanted to point out is the more significant increase that you're seeing in 2025 through 2027 has a few things factored in. Uh one that market adjustment that we've talked about for the TPOAM contract that contributes to that. Uh the second would be the addition of the small number of positions that we've been talking about tonight. the facilities manager, the economic development director, those impact that. And then uh finally, in the past two years, um we've had a a significant amount of turnover here, which has resulted in some payouts. So that does kind of skew that number. Um so that's the reason there at the end we start to see it really climb there. Um the seven-year average change is 5% so relatively in line with with what I would consider to be a standard. Next slide then for fund balance. Um this should be familiar. This is the same chart that was presented in the last meeting. We just added the percentage change year-over-year and and what's happening with assigned fund balance, excuse me, unassigned fund balance. Um most notably, I want to point out the current year, fiscal year 2026. You see that's a 49% reduction. Um that's because of the Davenport Curtis purchase and the communication permit that we purchased for the rec center. You'll notice in 27 we're proposing that that will that will recover. Um and that's because of those bond proceeds that we we plan to issue in the upcoming fiscal year that we had talked about previously. Um so again I

think it's just important to comment that operationally things are stable. The change in fund balance is strictly due to one-time capital investments. So there's not a not a true structural issue. This is related to capital outlay. Um I think my last comment I wanted to make on fund balance is we'll be coming back to you guys in May with a a specific motion for a very specific amount to unassign from legislative uh changes fund balance. So thank you to council member Gerbaw for getting that ball rolling. will be coming back for followup just to make it a very clear dollar amount that you'll be unassigning to restore fund balance to 15%.

So, one of the other things we did talk about going forward and this is really more of a you know I guess more of a FY28 discussion is uh if we do uh create that capital fund uh is that you know maybe actually taking a closer look at that assigned fund balance and assigning it more specifically to uh capital projects. uh right now that kind of legislative changes kind of a doesn't really have a lot of definition to it. Um uh we we knew kind of that there were some changes at the state level that could cause us some some budgetary problems but I think uh that that immediate concern has passed and so now we need to take a little more closer look at how we have assigned that that that other half if you will of our fund balance and take a closer look at should we assign that to specific projects. Next, we want to talk a little bit about uh property taxes um because I I think there's some some good news here uh for our residents. So, want to touch on that and I'll turn that back over to Treasure Finch as well.

Absolutely. Um so, citywide, our total adorum taxable value is increasing from about 631 million to 677 million. Uh that growth is driven by a few factors. Um one is going to be that inflationary adjustment of 2.7%. you'll have recognized that number from your assessment notices. Um there is new construction that is adding to our tax base. So there's true growth in our taxable value. And then also um we have the LDFA capture. While it's no longer being captured by the LDFA, our general fund portion is now remaining in the general fund. Um the top table on the slide before you shows are current millage rates in the fiscal year 2026 as well as the proposed millage rates for the 2027 budget. Uh and the bottom table kind of shows the resulting tax revenue. Um for our operating millage we are reducing slightly from 13.6508 to 13.4514. Uh that is our maximum allowable millage. So we are

but rolled back by headley. Yes, we are rolled back by Headley and we are asking to levy our our full millage at this point. Um for rubbish, we are looking to reduce that by a quarter mill. Uh so we would be going from 2.1 down to 1.85. Um city manager Swallow and I have taken a really close look at that fund. It has a healthy fund balance and we believe this this millage of 1.85 85 will bring in sufficient revenue to cover our waste management contract and the other small expenses that were recorded there in that fund. Um otherwise the two mills that we as a city have are the street improvement millage of one mill and there's no change there and then the fire special assessment of one mill um which will be coming to you guys for final approval I believe in May but there's no change there as well. So, for the general fund, we are estimating about $8.7 million in property tax revenue. Uh, in your actual budget packet, you'll see this on page two. Right at the top, um, it was requested that I let you know about the tax revenue accounts. So, in your general ledger numbers, anything that ends in a 402-0000, those are real property taxes. And anything that ends in a 410-0000 are your personal property tax revenues. Um, so those are in a few different places like the general fund, the local roads fund for that street millage, fund 226 for rubbish, and then you would see that also in fund 205 uh for that fire special assessment. So I just wanted to point out where you can actually locate those. Um, finally, just a little disclosure here at the end. These are solid estimates, but they remain preliminary until our Headley reduction is confirmed by equalization. I've calculated it myself, but we'll let them give me the official report and then I'll give an update to you guys that whether there's a slight adjustment or not. But

next slide, just a quick question on the other one. Why is there a difference between the even though it's the same millillage for the fire and for the uh rubbish? Um Oh, you mean for fire and streets? They're both one. Yep. That's because our fire is for real property only and our streets mill is real and personal.

Right, next slide. So, we do still uh have some, you know, kind of outstanding or larger uh cost drivers that we've talked about uh quite a bit uh as we lead up to this uh uh this particular presentation. So inflationary pressures are real uh and obviously due to some of the world events we've seen you know continued pressures on uh materials and supplies in particular obviously fuel prices uh and so we are continuing to build in what I'll call some you know fairly healthy inflationary uh increases in those areas of the budget. Uh in terms of utilities obviously we see ongoing increases from uh both a gas and electric standpoint as well. Um so if you have you know personally looked at your bills those have been obviously we see the same thing um too here at city. One of the things we tried to do to curb uh some of those utility costs is enter into you know multi-year contracts with for example constellation gas to try and lock in you know some of those uh rates so we don't see year-over-year uh increases necessarily uh and it helps us budget a little bit more carefully from that. So we are looking at different ways we can control uh those utility costs. Uh contracted services unfortunately we continue to see uh as we receive bids back uh continue increases there. Obviously we talked about some of the some uh some of the capital projects actually uh this evening later on in the later on in the regular city budget. But uh um we don't see prices going down uh for certainly um even even though we you know you would think after a while it would level out more uh but uh continue to see as we you know we saw with our just talked about our waste management contract while we saw increases there continue to see that with our other service providers as well. capital needs is probably the the big one and that's something that we continue to look for strategies to address those unfunded projects that uh council has asked us to you know work harder on how do we get more streets done how do we get maybe

more some water and sewer projects certainly our asset management planning will prioritize those uh but uh we are as I mentioned you know trying to maybe look at set up uh a separate fund for capital projects so we can build up a little fund balance that's dedicated to those projects we do uh both in water and sewer. Uh we do set aside,000 each year uh into a capital fund. So trying to look at those uh future projects and that's built into our rate studies and things of that nature. So uh trying to address those on the on the what I'll call the enterprise fund side as well. Um fortunately obviously uh as I mentioned above that we do continue to see uh ongoing increases in construction costs as we as we bid out these projects. Uh wages. One of the things we're watching, we do have both of our police contracts are coming up uh this year uh for a renewal. So we don't know the exact wages for those yet. Um we are seeing some wage pressures looking at other uh negotiated contracts in other similar communities. So we are expecting uh some increases there. We built in you know what a reasonable increase in the budget and uh hopefully uh that you know our negotiations will be successful as we go forward. health care costs as we talked about you know earlier um significant increases um thankfully I guess to a certain extent uh employees were willing to uh compromise on some of the healthcare plans uh so that uh even though there's a you know maybe some additional costs for the employees we were able to make some adjustments in those healthcare plans so the cost of the city uh is lesser it's more in the singledigit range uh although employees also uh saw some increases there But uh again thankfully we are looking at ways to adjust that. Uh speaking with director Gchman uh we are going to also explore you know different uh uh different brokerage options different ways we can purchase healthcare that might be able to reduce our costs. Uh so we are continuing to explore those as

well. Uh in terms of pension and oped obligations the good news is uh we are addressing those with our required contributions. uh we're not you know we're making those required contributions and those are built into this budget and in future years actually thankfully we'll see a little bit of relief on the pension side as we uh have continue to make those required obligations and our actuarial studies are looking a little bit more uh favorable on the pension side and as well as we are are overall very well funded on the OPED so a good job uh from from that perspective impacts that so we're gonna talk a little bit more uh detail about that and I um say those detailed numbers

to provide a graphic here to show you um our annual required contribution for pension um in last year was about 2.1 million. Uh in the current year we're at about 2.3 million. In fiscal year 27 we'll be looking closer to 2.4 million. Um as city manager Swall said in the following years we'll be seeing a slight reduction. Um we'll be sure to come to council once we have more fine-tuned figures. The next actuarial from MS will come out in June. Um so we're looking forward to that. But we are at about 70% funded. The state of Michigan considers 60% funded to be to be a goal that you want to be above. So we're we're in a good place there. Um next slide please. Ben. For OPED we are at 103% funded. Um so currently we are not paying from the trust um just because there is some e economic uncertainty with investments. So we've been still expensing that but we can explore the option in the coming years as we're looking at some areas of relief to actually start paying this expense from the trust.

Next slide then so water and sewer is something that I know has been kind of a topic uh going forward. Uh however, I mean, I think that the key is that, you know, we need to make sure we're covering our costs as well as obviously our significant debt service now for the uh wastewater treatment plant uh rehab rehabilitation. Um taking a close look at our capital improvement needs going forward. Uh key will be obviously the rate study that we are will conduct uh in the next fiscal year to make sure we're on track uh for that. But we continue uh we'll see for FY 27 or excuse me January 27 um we're um looking at uh unfortunately having to continue uh what we have in that roughly 6 and a half% increase in both uh water and sewer and this is again there will be also adjustments in uh the readiness to serve charge but you see the water and sewer rates proposed for the coming calendar year. Uh again, these are key key elements um we cannot fall behind on. And so uh and as as that full debt service comes on for the wastewater plant, we'll have we'll have real more precise numbers to plug into that uh plug into that rate study going forward. Next slide. Obviously, uh the rec center and the ongoing uh investment in that facility has been a topic of discussion for some time. uh this year in particular or this fiscal year in particular was a is a I guess is a challenging year in terms of that uh that DHU unit dehumidification or detectron unit that needed to be replaced. So you see is sign significant spike in the general fund contribution to uh the rec fund but other than that it has been more of an inflationary increase uh year-over-year. Uh one of the challenges at the rec center right now is from a wage perspective uh with the increases in the in the minimum wage

uh we are seeing our part-time wages go up significantly. If you look at kind of the what has been the general fund contribution that was a question uh historically as well as what we project going forward it's had a lot of variability and I think the biggest thing there again is probably the is probably the well the capital needs that uh are not going away but uh we have obviously been uh granted that $2.7 million year mark so that's something that uh something that uh will help curb at least the capital investment uh but regardless we still do have that ongoing pressure for overall operations. So, uh, again, I think you see mostly an inflationary increase over time. Uh, but, uh, we know that that's something that, uh, council has asked that we curb. And so, in the fiscal year 27 budget, as you see at the far right there, uh, the proposed general fund contribution is that $400,000. And that has been obviously what's overall been kind of accepted over the last few years. Um, but we we are cognizant of the fact that it's higher than uh council would like it to be and looking at what other alternative funding sources could be applied and that's something that the rec task force implementation team will come back with a report in June on that as well that next slide and this is where we're hoping to get some feedback overall from city council on some of these key key uh provisions. Uh so we just can we want to kick it off with questions uh to this point andor some of these key decisions uh from council that we would uh like some feedback this evening. But why don't we just I guess maybe just start with general questions that you may have.

Treasure Finch, anything else you'd like to add?

Let me defer to the staff members who are present this evening. Chief Radzik, Engineer um Humphre, uh DPS director, parks and rec director. Is there anything you would like to uh to articulate at this time before we jump into our discussion or questions? Oh, all good. Um, I would note if you're called upon uh to to address a question or concern, please come forward and use the microphone. Make sure that the green light is illuminated at the base. I do want to note for my colleagues, we're about a quarter after 6. We do need to wrap up promptly at at 7:00 this evening to jump to our next regular meeting. Um, if we do not have consensus tonight based on a conversation I had with the city manager earlier today, I would recommend that we schedule a special meeting either for next Monday, the 27th, or meet for a special budget work meeting prior to our next regular meeting, which would be in two weeks, that first Monday in in uh in May. Um, we'll begin with a round of of uh questions, five minutes per person. Um, this evening, I'm going to start to my left and then to my right. So, I'll begin with Council Member Hermount and end with Council Member Halch. um real quick and I'll I'll start the timer to apply it to myself as well. Sorry, new phone here. Start. There we go. Um real quick, um city manager, um a few things and they're in no particular order of importance. um employee um health insurance. Um as you're aware, um it was Lorie Champion who chairs our risk mitigation initiative who introduced us to an associate of hers um that may be able to assist us with leveraging the economy as of scales and getting better options for our employees. I'm sure that's not the only in individual or entity we should engage with, but I fully support your efforts to find um alternative sources for for health insurance to see if we can provide our employees with exceptional products and also um save some cost in the interim. Um, as it relates to your suggestion about a capital fund, I think that's worthy of additional evaluation. I think it might be advantageous to to to

establish um said fund. I would recommend that the chair of our finance committee call a meeting sometime in the next several months to vet that further and maybe come back to to council with a a recommendation or some thoughts on that. you asked about um what the goal should be visav public transit in the Selen community specifically um uh in regards to our ongoing contract with people's express. I would like to see us get back to where we were 5 10 years ago which is that people's express provided two dedicated vehicles to the city of Seline. One that remained within the corporate limits of our city during uh normal uh hours of operation and one that was dedicated to take people largely to health employments at either U of M or St. Joe during the designated um service hours. Um as it relates to park uh improvements, I'd like to see some dollars set aside within the general fund for park improvements. Uh Director Lambert is well aware of this. We did engage with several uh external entities about uh providing funding for our rec center. Obviously, those efforts will continue. We talked to several who while they were interested and while they saw value in the rec center, it didn't really align with their their mission and goals. But I do think uh park improvements that are accessible to all of our residents and visitors alike um would be something that they would be amendable to funding. So I think that uh park improvements, specifically what we heard uh heard about um from our our parks commission um could could likely achieve funding from a from an external source. Uh master plan updates. I think your recommendation there is is is spot on. I know I've talked about this in years past, so has council member Gearbon, several others. I'm not going to give up on this. I would like to see some time or money set aside in future years to evaluate existing site plans. So, we have some site plans on the books that date back several decades. Um, many of the requirements and stipulations in said site plans are not being maintained um uh um or uh or the the the the existing entity, the deed holder has deviated from what was approved and sanctioned by the city of Selen. And I think it's in our community's um uh interest, particularly our citizens quality of life, to to revisit that and to make sure that folks are in compliance with the standards

established by this body andor by planning commission. Um just wrapping up here, uh grant writing. Um I think adding that to a key component of our economic development director uh would be of value. Um I do follow a number of of regional mayors online and um I saw the state of the city address that was given by the mayor of Dearbornne Heights. um he's relatively new to off the office and um I think in the early weeks of his tenure they established as a department had a grant writing position um which seems to have been extremely advantageous in bringing in external revenue uh to the city of Dearbornne Heights for uh for core services. So maybe we could reach out to our counterparts there and learn a little bit more maybe review the job description that was drafted for for said position. I also think that when um El Cole was here serving as deputy city manager, um one of the things that I think she really excelled at and what we benefited from was her devotion to to um certain special projects. So, I hope that would be a component of this new economic development director as well. And then your question about the rec center and what kind of support it should be receiving from the general fund. This is my opinion. I'm just speaking for me. Um but I I think it should be about half of what you're you're recommending long term. I think you said it's about 400,000 is what's proposed in the upcoming budget. I think our goal should be to cut that in half in the ensuing years. Again, that's that's my opinion. Um, Council Member Harmmont, can I trans I threw a lot at you fast. Um, but uh I wanted to get through in the designated time. Um, Council Member Harm, can I transition to you if you have questions, concerns, or um observations about the proposed budget?

Um, no. It sounds like the the headcount increase seems pretty reasonable and I just had a question about are there other communities that have the similar um roadmap for the economic development director as far as the alignment of job duties? And is there anything else that you would think to recommend from an alignment standpoint?

Uh yes. So obviously I think if you look at communities our size maybe you don't see that economic development role as much but if you just barely you know slightly larger type of communities maybe that is a very common role um and I think it's an important role for us in particular due to u some of the some of the challenge we're facing and obviously some of the strategic goals that council has set forward. Uh I would like once you know if this is approved and we get into the hiring process looking at you know how the structure internal staffing structure uh in terms of reporting too for example I believe uh community engagement specialist would make more sense to align that person underneath an economic development department so shifting that out of it into economic development. Uh also I know there's been some discussion about the administrative assistant role in that works with council and and the city mayor's office. while they've been filling you know a great role in the treasures office in the interim what if that position is refilled also then that that individual could work more closely uh under an economic development umbrella as well. So some internal restructuring uh to you know truly create if you will a department as opposed just an individual.

Um maybe we can um align incentivized uh incentiv incentives to the grant achievement as well. Um the only other thing that I was thinking about and I keep thinking about and good job for the city of Seline for the property tax is going down um for the things that we can control um and maintaining consistency with some of the other um items. What is there anything that we could do to stop the escalation of the rates? um is there anything that could be employed, you know, that could have a different outcome than the escalation that we're outlining in our rates?

So, I think the key area there is on the capital improvement side. Uh obviously, uh the the submitt that we made this year to our federal and state legislators was for water and sewer capital. uh because anything we can essentially take off the rate payers and look at a different funding source. Um that is you know certainly what we want to do. Um but in terms of you know operations um you know we're I don't I don't see we're fairly lean staff in in in that regard. Obviously, that's what what we have pulled back a little bit and said we're only going to add one uh position instead of two uh this year to make, you know, re-evaluate that, make sure that we're and essentially from a staffing standpoint, we're kind of at that minimum staffing level uh that we can. So, those are two areas that we're looking closely at. Um you know, I think uh this plant should provide a little more energy efficiency. I think energy efficiency is an area that we could look at though also uh in terms of the equipment that's there and replacing some of the as we go forward replacing some of the equipment. Um so those are some areas we're looking at to try and you know keep those rates a little bit lower but uh unfortunately the big driver right now is that debt service for u the bonds for the wastewater treatment plant. So that's that's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Thank you. I'm done. Uh thank you council member Harm. Council member Gerba. you have uh 5 minutes. Thank you. Um basically I want to focus on just a couple items of when we look at our projections for revenue and so forth looking at real taxes. Um can you explain we had projected you know we had an amended budget of 7.7 million approximately but we're ending up projecting about 8.3 for this year. So is that just the um new properties that have come online that we didn't anticipate for projections? That initial projection it was created last year. It was just done very early in the process. Um it it could have been evaluated a little bit sooner after March board, but the reality is that values just came in much higher after March board last year.

And then and then looking at what we're projecting forward for next year, we basically have just flat. Um I would anticipate somewhere in the 2 to 3% kind of that standard inflationary because we don't anticipate a significant amount of additions in the upcoming year. So even with the oncoming of layer farms, the number of those homes coming in that new phase, we don't anticipate that adding a significant amount to the I I would have to know how many homes exactly, but I don't think it will be as significant as we as we're seeing about it's about 50 per phase. So the phase that Mr. Gearb is referencing is about 50. Yes. Um it won't be lifechanging.

And then looking at personal property tax um coming up a 23% increase. What is that? That seems significantly. So again, if since our values are much higher than originally anticipated, it's it translates directly to that calculation.

Okay. Because from my perspective, I was thinking those were going down as a result of changes in the state legislature. So um I wasn't sure we were going to have that much of an increase going forward. Uh then also looking at some other things. Um again, I've inquired again what asking for membership numbers related to the rec center. As I look at the numbers and the projection for the membership revenue line, um it shows that we basically are having no increase in members, the dollar amount is fixed. Um when you look at it from even adding in a 7% fee increase or 6% fee increase, it's still the same amount. So it appears that there's no increase in membership considered in the budget moving forward, which I think would be a significant part of the revenue generation for that operation.

Of course, we did see a what we're projecting is a small decline from FY25 to 26. Yeah. And that's that's kind of got a concern. That's uh we don't and obviously the I mean that that part I think due to some of our closure issues that we had that where we lost maybe lost a few members with that. Um I know there's you know particularly like the DHU unit things that nature. Um you know I think we had some people that were maybe not happy with uh uh with uh the current state. Uh so with that you know we do you know as as you noted we are proposing it's an 8% increase I believe overall in membership rates we haven't put that together for 20 but we did a 5% okay

for 2026 so we we still have to evaluate 2027 yeah and then so obviously we're budgeting an increase from the current fiscal year uh to FY27 uh but again that's still in line with historic levels and for me it would be helpful to have the membership numbers and get an understanding of what's been happening monthto monthth in consideration that doesn't so that we understand that the narrative that's been being delivered isn't consistent with what the numbers are showing. Um the other ones I'm looking at so re really all the new payroll positions I do see that we have an accountant position posted right now currently um is that a redefined position or is that an open position?

It's a redefined position. It's really that as you we had kind of a exact title for the front desk slash uh support person that was there. I would like a purchasing purchasing manager uh role um with that. Um so it is a little bit defi redefined yes to um to really more focus on a little bit higher level accounting and you feel that's okay without I my concern is customer service and making sure that we have the sufficient aspect that we've had concerns in the past of making sure that people are available that when people come in and everything else but I know we're shifting more to online so um just

looking at more certainly BSNA has a number of tools that you know for payment online etc. So with that, I mean the the person will still be expected to uh provide front desk support. Uh this is more of an entry level position uh but uh a little bit higher skill skill level. Um, and as we talk about fee increases and such related to wastewater treatment, knowing that you mentioned in our recent letter that there's an S&P call regarded related to the um, ability for the fund and its cash flow as per our audit. Um, adding a new position would seem that that might be making that even an increased concern. So, however we assess the ability for us to repay our debt through the wastewater treatment plant, everything, I think that's going to drive more whether you should hire the new position or not. Um I hope that we're our numbers can be adjusted so that it adjusts for those staff people. But I think that's the biggest

triggered the S&P review uh was exactly the same thing that uh you know that was brought up as part of the the state when they reviewed our audit. Um we did have a a dip in you know cash and uh and so because of primarily uh because of we have obviously large you know uh large pay applications coming in from the contractor and we've not been you know we've not been fully reimbursed from the our financing sources the state revolving fund. So they picked up on quite honestly the same thing. Um but it is something where you know because of the debt service we're going to have to be watching that wastewater fund more closely. I got to stop you there, Mr. Gerba. We'll have another round for questions. I'm sure that concludes the initial five minutes. Uh, Council Member Dylan, you have five minutes.

Thank you. Um, thank you for going back through and providing a little bit more information in the PowerPoint. Um, excuse me. I appreciate that we're tying decision-making to strategic planning, but I will say that at some point in the very near future, this body needs to deep dive into the strategic plan because when you're looking at it, there are several items that were year one and year two goals that we have not even touched yet. And so obviously that's, you know, an idea, but we need to look a little deeper and either re reassess what our priorities are or recalculate the timelines um to make sure that we're we're balancing it out. I don't want to just look like we're picking and choosing from certain line items to to backfill into to match what we have in the budget. um there were things that were in specific orders and I want to make sure that we're actually addressing those. So I'm hoping that can be a conversation that we have in the very near future. Um and specifically one of them and we've had this discussion before was asset management and this is a constant conversation during the asset management is that if we're going GIS um we need to have very specific measurables with that as to what is being done what percentage has been completed so that we know when we are making decisions using that information we have the actual data behind it. So, I'd like to do that. Um, one of the other things that we've talked about, you touched about a little bit here was safety. Um, things that come up that again fall off. There was a whole safety protocol um that we had talked about, council chambers being one. Um the windows were replaced and

unfortunately they didn't quite make the right decision with those windows and so they're not considered exits and that's opened up a different um shortcoming to other things. But there was bulletproofing that was supposed to be done. There were some locks that were supposed to be done. Um, there's a staff member position that's here during council meetings that I think needs to be reassessed. So, I think there's some opportunities that we need to look back on those that were not quite hitting the mark when we've talked about things. And I do like the idea of having a separate capital fund because one of the things that we have noticed is that we do seem like we've got excess funds and it's because we have projects that were not completed. And so I think it would be a better tracking system for that. Um, you talked about software. One of the things that I'm going to absolutely push for is that there will be a tech review committee created with people that are subject matter experts. Um, we are constantly flip-flopping between technologies and we haven't even been we were never even trained on Granicus and now it's out the door and we're bringing the next thing in. Um and if that's fine if that's the position in which we want to go but with that there needs to be training there needs to be review of these processes and make sure that this is what it is for all parties involved um and that everybody is able to utilize and benefit from those programs. Um, when we talked about budgets, uh, I wanted to make sure that training I appreciate. Um, I put a huge value on training. So, I appreciate that we are increasing the training budget. I do

want to make sure I haven't really seen it in the actual budget, but it's probably in there somewhere, but just to confirm that we do have robust training budgets within our committees, especially those that are decisionmaking committees. um and that there's requirements that in order to participate in those decision-making committees that people have had the adequate training for them. Um oo I'm running really to um People's Express. I think that we definitely need to have a conversation about what that what we need and then work through the dollar aspect of it. I'm looking at all of our surrounding municipalities that are offering free People's Express right now and yet we're looking at because they are using their senior millillage. So understanding is our most of our clientele seniors that should be falling within that millillage or do we have another population of people that are accessing that service or is there other ways? Um, and then as far as the rec center, I am going to keep saying that at this point I would like to see formal notification as to the city being reimbursed the $1 million for the Dtron unit out of the grant dollars. Um, I know that that was something that was being investigated. I'd like to understand I think first and foremost the city should recoup the money that it fronted to to the rec center for that and then we can move forward with our contributions beyond that.

Okay, that's uh five minutes is elapsed. Thank you for that. Uh council member Deloro, you have five minutes for questions or comments pertaining to the proposed budget.

Thank you, mayor. I'll start with some comments and then uh I outline a couple questions I wanted to ask. Um in reference to uh key decisions from the council, um I certainly support an economic development economic development director position. Um and a key priority there should be that that person has some grant writing experience. I I agree that that's a valuable um skill set that's lacking in our community and provide um a lot of opportunities for um increased revenues and uh missed deadlines and tracking of when these deadlines are coming up and getting applications in on time so on so forth. Um, public transportation is personally a key priority for me in the city as we think about our aging senior citizen population and um, just people that aren't able to afford cars or have driver's license for whatever the case may be. I would like to understand more about why the costs have increased so much for what what services were pro being provided at what level. um the the the path to getting back what the mayor said to having two dedicated vehicles in the city. Is that going to be um an exorbitant cost or is that something realistic that we can manage to achieve uh through being creative there? Um, I continue to wait for recommendations from the imple imple implementation team analysis on on the rec center general fund contributions and how we can um offset our general fund revenue uh debt there. Um uh for capital investment priorities, we my understanding is that our our main capital improvement for FY2027 is the

Woodland Culver coming in at about um a million and a half. Are there other key capital improvements you would like us to identify or prioritize moving forward? Well, I think when we look at that capital improvement plan, uh certainly just as you that that is a living document. Um and so we have identified, you're right, that in terms of a from the road standpoint. Um that's a that is the major one. Obviously, there's also significant city hall improvements. There's also vehicle replacements uh identified in that capital improvement plan. Uh but uh in terms of the roads, you're right, that's the the Woodland one. That would be followed on by the resurfacing of Woodland Drive. trying to think if there's anything else on on the water and sewer side. Obviously, we're laser focused right now on the right

on a plant. Um but that will become you know as we we have identified funding for u sewer lining uh going forward and uh also CCTV uh for of the of sewer lines and things of that nature. So um certainly through the asset management committee we hope to you know bring those what what's next so to speak and one of the things directive actually working with engineer Humphris on is those unfunded projects that list that were identified in the cap improvement plan there are ways we could maybe start to chip away at those um either through debt service you know whether we um look at additional bonding and so I guess going forward I would also ask council to take a look at that unfunded list and um we'll bring you forward through asset management and through obviously our continued analysis of what we think a couple a few of those projects that could be bundled potentially uh to do additional work but that's where we'll ask focus probably ask council to focus on is that unfunded list is there things there that we could potentially move forward

okay yeah I like your idea of further defining the um assigned fund balance into um more specific capital projects that that seems like a good um thing to do there. And uh that brings me to my next question about debt service. I'm I'm actually struggling as I work through the the document and it's probably my own um fault that I'm I'm I'm not able to put together um the debt that the city currently has issued for what projects and the timeline for repayment schedules, amount owed each month for debt service because I I I imagine that at some point we may be forced to to bond some of these road projects and I want to understand how much debt we're already maintained.

Yeah. So, it is scattered a little bit in this particular document. There is a summary in the audit that I think uh and I I know you sent that this afternoon and and I will we'll get you work with Treasure Finch on probably pulling that out of the audit. Um and maybe if if it's just even a copy of those pages and or uh creating a spreadsheet that shows each of the you know obviously these are general fund obligations, these are water and sewer obligations. um this is our current payment and this is you know when you know when that payment or that bond will expire. So I think there's a way to summarize that utilizing the audit. Um obviously the numbers are in the budget but they are scattered around. I don't know if you want to comment further on that.

I would just say if you're looking in the actual budget general ledger documents it's department 905. Um within any given fund 905 is the debt service department. Um but city manager Swell is correct. That's really just the payments. So, as far as an overall the equation, yeah, right, that's helpful. As far as the overall debt summary, um, I can certainly put something together. There's some detail in the audit as well as a footnote that summarizes from the financial statements. Um, and then internally, we obviously keep some summary documents um, for our own tracking as far as payments. Yeah. Okay. I apologize for my late questions. Um, I got to stop you there, Mr. Delco. We might have we I'm sure we'll have time for some additional questions. Okay. And and I will note too,

I I will note too and it came from um Treasure Finch and from uh then Deputy City Manager Cole, but I there was a line in my uh January state of the city address about um allowable debt and the city's debt obligations and how much we we could still incur, which is rather significant. I'm not advocating that we do that. Um but we are in a pretty uh advantageous position vis debt. I don't want to take any more debt than we need to, but at some point we may need to look at some of this. Sure. Um, Council Member House, you have five minutes if you'd like it.

Yeah. So, first I want to say um, City Manager Swallow and Treasurer Finch, I really appreciate seeing um, the tie between uh, how the budget intends to operationalize our strategic plan. Um, I think it's important to, I've said it before in other settings, but I think budgets are moral documents and so it's good to see um, which specific priorities our dollars are going to support. Um, so I definitely appreciate it seeing that. Um, I have a few questions just kind of observations. Um, with the GIS system, is that you you mentioned like a public facing aspect of it. Is that already live?

And I it is I would say fortunate I can I can expand on that was planned but I wasn't sure. Well, yes. I don't know how many of you have actually looked at our letting copper website that is linked on our current um um if you just typed in city of Selene letting copper a resident can go on and um look up their actual um house, see if we've been out there, see if we um what we what year um was put in. So, I won't get into the big long depth of the leading copper, but that's one example of an application that is now public facing. Our capital improvement plan um is now on our website also um facing. So, those are a couple applications that are currently public facing. Awesome. So, and then it does have the summary projects for the next several fiscal years and then you can click on them. Is that

the capital improvement plan one? Yes. So the capital improvement plan one specifically that's public facing which is on so if you go on the city of engineer city of Selen engineering page there's a capital improvement portion on that are links as the actual map that you can dig into current capital plans and um links to the additional information about them and such. Is there any sort of information around how um how a user could navigate or how they navigate within the site?

Um the the specific so it's the two applications are up and they're just they're kind of um I guess self but no I don't know that there's um a tutorial or anything on there. Sarah's posted things about them how to use them. Actually I should say I know Sarah has posted find it here type things but I wouldn't say that we have a tutorial for say online.

Okay. Um moving on. So, one of the things that I think I um have brought up or mentioned is within fostering open communication. I think we have a couple of tools. I think GIS is something that will go towards that. But then I also think about our citizens reporting tool um and our citizens dashboard. um I didn't see any sort of allocations or or if we had any plans to make improvements to those, but just as um particularly from some of the things I've heard from citizens in regards to the citizens reporting tool, I would recommend us looking at potentially making some investment in that tool. Um improving that functionality in this coming fiscal year. um when I think about organizational effectiveness and kind of echoing echoing um counselor Dylan's point in regards to training um one of the things that I've kind of thought about is have we been able to kind of quantify the dollar amount um the have we been able to quantify our talent and skill gaps within a dollar amount? And then I guess I would ask um to both Treasurer Finch and Manager Swallow, do we feel as though our current allocations with training um are going to address some of those talent and or skill gaps? And then two, how are we planning to measure the effectiveness of those training dollars across our uh departments? Um and then when I uh moving kind of to the rec center, I think well two final points. One on the rec center. Um I think that we have all we all have varying degrees um in regards to how much we feel as though there should be a general fund

contribution to the rec center. What I think is a far more pertinent question is when are we going to stop making that contribution? And I think that especially being on the implementation team, I think that if we are able to set an end date saying hey this will be the last fiscal year in which we will receive any allocation and I think that gives the implementation team a a north star or an end to work backwards from. Um, so just kind of wanted to reframe the conversation there a little bit and thinking about what is the offramp for that contribution. Um, and then finally, I wanted to I know we've kind of talked about in particular with the economic development director position um, as grant writing being one of the marquee skills that we're looking for. From what I've heard and what I've noticed within the city, and this is no shade to anybody, I think an important skill should be project management because I think and I would even go so far as to say that it might be useful to hire a project manager within our city staff department because I think when we think about, you know, projects that we start and then we don't stop. When we think about someone that is their whole job is to make sure that projects are completed and finished, I think that is a skill set across the board that could be improved. And so I would I would definitely recommend um someone who has some incredibly solid project management skills in that position. Um

got to stop you there, Council Hal. We're we're past the five minutes, but thank you for those those questions and comments. Um my colleagues and I threw quite a bit at you. Would you care to respond before I I work my way uh across the Dis again?

Uh just uh yeah just few of those that boxed in terms of uh you know things that uh yeah I think we are really going to need to think uh on the public transportation side um that that is significant increase just to get kind of back to what I'll call status quo. And so we will continue to uh negotiate with People's Express, but that's going to be a challenge to what I'll call increase uh service or increase the level of service there. Um you know, certainly um just try to move around a little bit here. Uh in terms of uh the rec center, um because that was brought up several times. Uh I think that's going to be a key challenge in that I don't know that we'll ever get completely away from general fund support um unless there was a separate outside funding source um in terms of millage or um you know some other thing some other form of support. So um so that that is I don't I don't know that we'll ever get to zero. Um and so that is particularly when we look at you know capital we are trying to address that through grant writing and other uh corporate support things of that nature but I don't know that if we keep the rec center we'll get to zero unless there's some other completely separate funding source. um moving around, you know, software. Something that uh one of the things we did do this year is we did a deep dive into all the software uh we have all the uh um all the applications that we're using, what their costs are. Uh I agree that you know we we we don't fully leverage those and we need some training from both staff perspective as well as as council. Um just uh sorry just looking at you know project management that's also the facilities manager. uh is going to be particularly for buildings related things a key role for them. Uh we may need I've actually talked with uh director McNeel about do we need to supplement that with outside expertise um and to come see we had a general contractor who had an architect on staff

and we use them to skill project manage project. So there's also health on there. Um so organizational effectiveness uh uh definitely turn a good way to to measure that. Um that's one way we do measure is you know licenses certifications that we need for our own you know um our own applications. But uh we'll continue to think about think about that one as well. Um yeah, we'll definitely pursue uh seation of separate capital improvement fund and looking at assigning, you know, some of that fund balance to those specific projects. I I do think that's important. Uh just so it's away from the general fund a little bit, you know, from an operational standpoint that we're we're focused more on that.

Uh what did I miss?

I think that's I think that's I think that's pretty good. Obviously, there are questions or concerns that come up in the ensuing days or or folks want to have a more detailed focus conversation about any of the issues, questions, concerns they brought up, they're they're certainly free to do so. Um, two things before I work my way through the day for one uh abbreviated comment or question period. Um uh city manager follow I'm assuming that in the su ensuing days you'll follow up with mayor prom rice to make sure that she's reviewed the presentation and to address any questions and concerns that she has in advance of our our next regular meeting or if council decides to uh organize a special meeting. I do want to echo and I also mentioned this in my state of the city address comments that were made earlier this evening by um uh council member Dylan. I do think it is is is absolutely essential that sometime in the next 60 to 90 days we organize a retreat between council yourself and the department heads to revisit our strategic plan. I suspect that the strategic goal areas will probably remain intact although there may be some some um some word uh word smithing to to to to those key priorities but I do think the timelines and specific goals uh may be adjusted and new things may be added and items removed. Um, I do think it's it's critical that that document helped to guide uh future uh financial and budget decisions. So, um hopefully that's something that maybe Maggie or or uh someone else on staff can help help to organize, but I would recommend a retreat sometime in the next 30 to 60 days. Um probably an evening event and then I I suspect u we'll have to come back to revisit the document at a more uh abbreviated session sometime in the weeks following. Um let me start again to my left and to my right. We only have about 10 minutes. So, if you have one additional really time-sensitive pertinent question, I would welcome you to ask that. But I'm also going to ask each of you a question, which is um are you comfortable moving forward with the budget or would you like to schedule an additional session? And what is your preference in terms of scheduling that addition additional session? If you think it's imperative or appropriate, would you prefer to do it next Monday or before our next regular council meeting that first Monday in May? Again, I'll start with council member Harmount and

with council member Halch. Um, as we're adding the additional headcounts, I guess the one request that I would make is it's it's additional headcounts. So, what is the additional benefit to the like tying it? We need to tie it to what the addition additional benefit is to the residents of Seline. Um, so and then, um, with regards to the budget, I've been on the finance planning committee and I'm, um, comfortable with the budget the way that it's been proposed. Okay, fair enough. Uh, Council Member Gearba,

um, I need to answer his questions because I don't think I did it at the last part of these four aspects that are up here. Um, rec center, we need to deal with the $1 million shortfall. That's really the capital improvement projects. The shortfall that we have currently with the general fund contribution for operations is its own issue. So, there's more to that than that. Um, People's Express, I don't know if we should continue that at all. I feel that we're not getting we're not getting the work out of it or the aspect that we have. We should be evaluating whether options we could on that one. um planning and community development is where I want to see additional money going towards. We need to plan for our growth. Um we haven't done a contingency for the loss tax capture that we lost with the loss of the LDFA um certification um and not the certification but you know what I mean

agreement. Um, and then the other thing is when we look at capital investment priorities, I'd like to see us investing a lot more money into potholes, sidewalks, some of those things that we can do, which are shortterm wins because we have a lot of trip hazards, those type of things that could be addressed quickly and some street repairs that we've done in the past that don't require an entire redo of a street. And then lastly, the one thing we've talked about is the communication contract and what is happening with that and how we can eventually evaluate that and see how that's being rolled out and implemented and addressed that way. I'm fine with if we need another meeting. But moving forward, for me, the only thing is with the economic development director position, I would recommend that maybe that be a three-year contracted position so we can evaluate it over a three-year period. And if it's not working at that point in time, it just simply uh is um eliminated. Very good. Thank you, Mr. Gerba. Uh, Mayor Prom or excuse me, Council Member Dylan, additional questions and uh um thoughts on whether you would like an additional budget meeting.

Thank you. Um the economic development director position, this is something we've talked about now for several years. Um in our last conversations about this um because one of the things I want to put out there right now is we've talked about downtown and we've talked about industrial. What about the rest of the city? because that was the big aspect with economic development. Everybody that was not on the four corners was like, "Hey, what about us?" And so if we're doing economic development, it has to be a citywide initiative.

Yeah, if I may, the city manager can elaborate. I don't think anybody would disagree with that. I think that the position would would not only prioritize downtown and the industrial park, but all of our commercial districts and uh and offer assistance to both large and small businesses.

Thank you. Um, and so I want to make sure about that. I would like to see job descriptions for each of the positions that are being created because when I look at the economic development director position right now, frankly, some of those tasks have fallen under the city manager in the past. So if we're removing tasks from the city manager's plate, understanding how does that flow and does that free up something within your purview to do them. And now we've added this whole element of grant writing. We keep going in circles about grant writing and that's a very specific talent and understanding how much time is this position going to devote to grant writing and is there a payback on it. So, I'd really like to understand what that's going to look like for us. The other aspect is, and we sat at a table with Selene Main Street that said, "We may need to claw back some of your money to include into this economic development position." Um, that was a part of the conversation. So, we need to revisit that idea also. Um, and so I would like to have further conversations about it. I would like to see a very comprehensive plan as to what your vision is for our organizational chart. What positions you feel we need, what positions, because we're migrating positions into other things. We've had people move into things and it didn't work out. Now we have sort of two people in a position. um we've gotten rid of positions and we've allocated dollars and responsibilities to other people and now we're back filling positions and so I'd really like to sort of see a holistic look as to what the vision is for the city as far as staffing and what the future plan is. Um

thoughts about initial budget meeting? Uh I mean I can go through some of my questions on my own. Um I guess is this document available in something in which we can manipulate because one of the things that we had talked about was trying to sort of understand and look holistically at line items uh you know and that we didn't seem to get that information at least not in a format in which I'm able to understand. So just sort of understanding is there a way in which we can have a searchable document. We have uh taken this out of BSNA and put it into a spreadsheet. So we can provide you that spreadsheet. Okay.

Um but again obviously we just have to be careful with document control. Obviously what you have is going to be for your own right. It would just be for my own purposes to be able to to to find information. Thank you. Great. All right. Um Council Member Delarco. Um I' I'd just really like to thank the staff for taking the time to put together this presentation. and it was really helpful to distill down some what the key priorities are and the direction that you need from council at this time. Um I think I can work through most of my questions uh over email and with the city treasurer and with um um city manager offline and I'd like to move forward with adopted budget at this time. Very good. Uh council member Halsh.

Um yeah, so just quickly going back to the point I made about quantifying talent gaps. Um, I think that just looking at how often are we hiring consultants or hiring third parties to fulfill a duty that we don't have someone on staff to fulfill is kind of what I was thinking with that quantification. Um, as far as the budget, I I would be comfortable moving forward as it's presented. Um, so no need for any additional meetings for me.

Easy enough. Okay. So, it seems like there's consensus to move forward and take the necessary um action at our subsequent meetings. Of course, in the interim, please direct questions to the city manager or city treasure. And the document that council member Dylan um um requested, I'm assuming, can be sent out to everyone on council. Um all seven of the the voting members.

If anybody wants to meet individually, we can do that with treasurer. I know a couple of taken advantage of that already. Um so obviously and then anything we'll try and highlight any, you know, changes we make between now and adoption. I I do think if I if I may um obviously I I mentioned at the top of the meeting I see it as very advantageous to establish an economic development director um because we don't have a point person on staff doing that currently. It generally falls to the city manager and and mayor and I think you and I are both still comfortable assisting with that. But having a standalone per person that dedicated the vast majority of their time I think would um result in some tangible gains for the city. I think Mr. Gearbach, council member Gearbach, excuse me, suggestion had some merit, which is to maybe do a three-year contract to evaluate whether the individual is performing and and and contributing to the betterment of the community. So, I would encourage you to look uh at that a little bit uh deeper in the ensuing weeks and perhaps report back out when we revisit the budget uh in early May. Um if there's nothing further to be brought forward uh regarding the proposed 2027 budget, um I would entertain a motion to adjourn uh this work meeting at 6:57 noting that we will meet a or start a regular meeting promptly at 7.

Moved by Gearbos, seconded by Harmount to adjurnn. All those in favor of adjourning signify by saying I. Oppose say nay. Eyes have it. Meeting is adjourned. Thank you all.

I'd like to call this Sel City Council meeting to order. If you please rise and join my colleagues and I for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. Uh before we uh transition to to uh roll call and attendance, it is my obligation this evening uh to notify the community of the recent passing of our former council colleague and mayor uh Pat Little. Pat served on council, then as mayor, then back on city council. Uh he was instrumental in the development of the first Selen Celtic Festival. He served on a number of regional boards including the Selenary Fire Board in Watts. um and during his tenure as mayor uh guided the city through some difficult uh uh uh uh economic times and also pursued some very successful uh economic development initiatives. Uh we extend our condolences and our sympathy to his wife Sheila, children uh Bethany and Pat Jr. and grandkids and uh all of Pat's loved ones during this uh profoundly uh sad time. So, if you'd please join my colleagues and I in a moment of silence for the late Mayor Pat Patrick Little. Thank you very much. Uh members present this evening are council members Delorco, Dylan Gearbal, Hal Harmmont, and Mayor Maro. From city staff, we have city manager Swallow, Clerk Royal, city engineer Humphress, Treasure Finch, I believe our DPS director left, but uh police chief Radzik is also uh present along with our um deputy DPW director, Mr. Marian. Um, for those of you who are in the audience this evening, welcome. There are copies of the agenda on the back table along with a sign-in sheet and listening devices if you require them. At this time, the chair would entertain a motion to approve the agenda as submitted unless there are amendments.

Moved as submitted. Moved by Gearbot to approve as submitted. Is there a second? Second. Seconded by Deloro. All those in favor of approving the agenda as submitted signify by saying I. I. Post say nay. Eyes have it. The motion carries unanimously. As was noted during our work meeting, Mayor Prom Rice will be absent uh from both meetings this evening. Is there a motion now to excuse her absence? So moved. Oh boy. I'm going to do I'm going to do uh the converse of the last motion. I'm going to let Deloroco be the mover and Gerba be the second. All those in favor of excusing the absence of Mayor Prom Rice say I.

I. Post say nay. Eyes have the motion carries unanimously. We come now to public comments on agenda items. um which actually at this we should actually probably change that heading because we no longer require um individuals to speak specifically to agenda items. They can speak to any any issue they they care to address. So under the open meetings act, any person may come forward to make comment uh to city council. This public comment period will be limited to three minutes per person. Those wishing to speak are requested but not required to state their name and address for the record. Please note that city council will not answer questions during this initial uh public comment period. Please come to the podium and make sure the green light is illuminated at the base of that microphone. and we welcome your thoughts and opinions this evening.

Linda Jihar, 108 East Henry Street. Selene, um I just came to add my personal note of appreciation for the late Mayor Little. Um when I joined city council as an appointee to fill an uh an incompleted term. Um he was in his it was his he had 14 months left on council. It was his last term. And uh then Mayor Driscoll decided that it would be good for me to sit next to him um so that he could help me along getting used to being on council and he was very helpful and very kind and um so I learned a lot from him directly and also just by observing the way he conducted himself as a council member and I really appreciated that.

Thank you for those comments, Linda. Much appreciated. Are there additional uh citizen comments this evening? Again, you'll have three minutes once you begin. Yes, I'd like to echo those comments. Pat was a wonderful guy. You only get so many Pat littles in your life. I was really glad to call him my friend and I learned a lot from him. He was really easy to work with. I felt very bad that he he's passed because he was a great guy. But on another note, uh I guess I'm one of those people in town we I feel we spent too much money on studies. I would be nicer if we could put some of that money towards the actual problem. Uh and tonight uh we're going to talk about the stoplog study. What's our deliverables? What do we expect from that study? What do we expect to walk away with?

Thank you, Jim. Appreciate your comments. Any additional citizen comments this evening? No. Oh, one more. Okay.

Hi, Karen Peters, 396 Selene River Drive. Um, I'd like to talk tonight about what Jim was just talking about, the proposal about um, preparing the stop logs. I know we talked at it at a previous meeting, so I'm anxious to hear if there's any update on that, but um a couple questions that I had is I don't see how we can wait until November to vote on whether we're going to repair or remove the dam if we're looking at an outlay of $580,000 to repair the stop logs. I think we need to make that decision sooner than later. And of course, you all know I'm in favor of keeping the dam and repairing it because it would seem pretty foolish to me to put out all that money to repair the stop logs and then if you end up removing the dam, that's just money down the drain. Um, the other question I had about the proposal that from Fiser Contracting, I read in their time and materials estimate, they said this is not considered a not to exceed budget to the lack of details which contradicts what was said in the um the letter from engineer Humphre. It says to acknowledge receipt of the memo from city engineer Humphers to award or not award a time and material contract with Fiser Contracting Company in an amount not to exceed 580,000. So the engineer is saying it's not going to exceed, but Fiser is saying it's not a not to exceed estimate. So that's confusing to me. Um, and one other point on the stop logs. I was looking today

over the the last inspection that we had on the dam which was in August of 23 performed by Spicer. And in the category it said stop logs and stoplog channels, leakage, deterioration, corrosion and under all those categories it said NA which I'm assuming is non applicable. So, what I'm confused about, does that mean they didn't even examine the stop logs during the inspection in 23 and now in 26 all of a sudden we're in a panic mode to repair them because they deteriorated? So, did did they not look at them? Was that an oversight on their part or are they just saying not applicable because nothing was found? So, I hope maybe later in the meeting I can get some answers to these questions. Thank you.

Thank you for your comments. Any additional citizen comments this evening? Then I'm going to defer to the city clerk. Were there any written comments provided in advance of tonight's meeting in which the individual wanted the remarks read at this time? Easy enough. There are no presentations on the agenda. I don't know if the uh software management um um allows you to remove that, clerk Royal, but if there are no presentations, I think it's just confusing to the public. So, uh, when there are are not presentations, I think that that header can be deleted. Uh, we move on to the consent portion of tonight's agenda. The following consent agenda will normally be adopted without discussion. However, at the request of any citizen or council member, any item may be removed from the consent agenda for for council discussion. I'd like to remove 26-71 and 26-76 for discussion.

Is there a second to that motion? Second. Seconded by Harmount. So moved by Dylan, seconded by Harmount to approve the consent agenda as admitted as amended, excuse me. Noting those two omissions. Um if there's no discussion, all those in favor of the motion signify by saying I. Oppos say nay. Eyes haven't. The motion carries unanimously. We'll come to those issues momentarily, but first is unfinished business. Uh 26-50 54 construction and engineering of mil race inspection and stop log contract award. Let's start with a motion simply to acknowledge receipt of the memo from engineer humpress. Moved by excuse

I I will try to slow down but you can't interrupt the meeting. Okay. All right. I I I appreciate the comments but you are in the audience. The audience is derived uh from the Latin to listen. Okay. So you just please don't interrupt the meeting. I will try my best to slow down and accommodate your concern. Um we have a motion. Was that moved by Gearbos? Seconded by Dylan? Correct. Okay. Very good. Um, city manager Swallow, would you like to begin?

Sure. Thank you. Uh, in terms of uh the stoplog situation and uh the contract proposal from Fiser as well as the engineering, we we actually do have some additional information uh from uh some inspections that occurred uh relative to the uh the location of the of the stop logs as well as what occurs downstream underneath US12 etc. So, uh, surprisingly the the culvert and some of the the trash rack and some of the other components of that structure are in better shape than, uh, what we had anticipated to be honest, uh, based on that. Uh, so with that, uh, as well as, uh, based on council's direction, uh, I think the everyone agrees that the the cost and just explain the $580,000 cost that was the quote from Fischer was 525,000. Um, and so there was some contingency built into that as well. Um and just in case uh we had other other work to be done in terms of uh in terms of that particular location. Uh so uh based on this uh we also had uh two things we're working on over the last uh last month. Uh one thing uh we did accomplish is uh we do now have a preliminary legal opinion as to what would be required to potentially lower the lake level if that is an option uh for us uh to uh to explore and what the process would be required for that uh that process. And so uh I know I've shared some of that with council. We can discuss that in more detail going forward. Uh second thing we actually just today were able to speak with a Eagle representative uh to talk about what would you know what are our obligations uh we felt like the uh and the Eagle representatives from the dam safety we felt like uh it's relatively stable right now with the steel plates that have been inserted uh into the dam um and so they also felt that you know that it's not as urgent as uh uh to move forward with the project as well as they did it explain to us some of the requirements uh that would be require required if we wanted to lower the lake level. Uh some of those

permitting requirements would be surveying, you know, what the what what aquatic species might be impacted. Uh at what point would we uh have a sediment movement issue if the sediment moved downstream as part of the lake level uh adjustment, things of that things of that nature. So, uh, based on this new information and the fact that, uh, you know, it looks relatively stable, uh, and that Eagle is willing to allow some time to research this further, I would recommend that we postpone this, uh, at least 60 days, uh, for a decision.

Thank you. And the city manager and I actually had an opportunity to speak about this issue earlier today. I would I would concur with that assessment. And so, um, it's likely after we vote on the motion to acknowledge receipt, um, I'll offer a motion or entertain a motion to postpone. We our conversation focused on somewhere within the 60 to 90day period. If it was 60 days, that would take us out to our second meeting in June, which would be the 15th or if council was amendable to going to 90 days, it would take us to our second meeting in July, which would be the 20th. But I do think it would be appropriate to allow a little bit more time for evaluation here at the in the same breath, I I would like to take action sometime during the the the subsequent quarter of of the calendar year. Um, are there questions for the city manager? Um, looks like just about everybody has got a question. Let's start with Harmon. I'll work my way right down the dales.

Um, and this is supported. Uh, same opinion by um, city engineer Humphre. Make sure the green light is illuminated at the base of that mic. Uh, engineer Humphrey, before you, uh, comment to council member Harmmont's question.

Um, so the the quote you have in front of you was um put together without the benefit of any inspection of the downstream mill race. Um, it was also put together with the assumption that um, we were trying to get this expedited and done as quickly as possible. Um although I wouldn't I do not recommend um sending our staff downstream of the failed stop logs. Um that is the the the what we are currently exploring if there would be a contractor that would take on that liability of working downstream of the failed stopwalks. So although um and I am not a dam expert obviously but I would not myself put my current professional engineer on like working downstream of the failed stopwalks but that's again something we are pursuing with other contractors at this time to see if that's a cheaper option. Now the other option that um city manager Swallow spoke about which is drawing down the lake to achieve the same is um something I think we can also pursue but again we'll probably just delay the project. So what is in front of you was the most expedited project to get it done in an expedited fashion. I think if we're going to sharpen our pencils and look for other options. I'm not sure if any of them will be successful yet but we I think have a little bit of time to do so.

Thank you. Yeah. Council member Gerby, I believe you had a question. Question. Could you just clarify who did the inspections that we as our staff did not do those inspections because they were accessed through from a private access person that uh as a retired engineer? Yes. Yes. Thank you. Uh council member Dylan, did you have a question? Um go ahead and we'll go through the line and I'll see if my question is answered by others. Okay. Council member Delargo, any questions?

I just wanted to make a comment. I'm amendable to postpone to a date search, but I think it would be better to do it sooner rather than later in the 60-day, closer to the 90-day because whatever option we go with to make these improvements, it should be done in this construction season. And I think there's going to be need we need to accommodate for time to send this out to bid, identify the contractors, and and move forward. Very good. Fair enough. Uh, Council Member Hal, any questions?

Um, yeah. So, kind of echoing uh Mrs. Peter's point in regards to we do all this work um and then ultimately the decision is made and I guess I want to talk specifically about um the ballot proposal. I recall that everyone here uh felt like it is something we when we talk about the damage removal that should go into a vote. So, I guess my concern is um mayor mentioned that if we postpone 90 days um either way, 60 days or 90 days, we're kind of pushing up on that date when um there would need to be an initiative by August. Does this work or us postponing this work in any way um put that at risk or impede this continuing to the ballot in November?

Here's the problem. uh regardless of whether we choose to rehabilitate the dam or remove the dam. Unfortunately, that timeline the timeline we're going to have to do something with these stop loss before that can occur. Uh because ideally we could do all this work together as one single project, you know, whether it be removal or rehabilitation. Uh but the problem is if these stop logs fail catastrophically, it will drain the pond, you know, and we're not going to be ready to make the decision to rehab or, you know, or to remove. So something has to be done with these regardless. It's just a matter of let's try and be the most cost effective. You know that what we brought you is probably the the ideal situation. The coffer dam, you have a dry environment. You can make the improvements, but obviously the cost is driving us to consider other options. Um so um but we're going to have to do something ideally in my mind this construction season uh independent of the decision to remove or rehabilitate.

Yeah. And the proposal that's in front of you is also the safe. There is a difference on the where the stop log is being installed whether it's upstream or downstream of the current failed stop logs. So, as um city manager Swallow explains, the Coffford Dam proposal that's that's being I do recommend being tabled tonight, but that includes creating a dry environment, a safe environment for the contractor to install the secondary stop logs. We're looking into if there's a way to safely get behind the failed stop logs and put a second set in. Um and yeah, so and I I do think it's a good clarification that city staff did not go down there. I do not think city staff should take on that liability. Anything else? Uh, council member Halch.

Uh, yes. So, I guess just wanted to keep us a breast. I don't know if it's been decided if it will be a councilled initiative for the ballot or if it's going to be a citizen. Um, I just know it was something that was important to the community. So, I want to make sure that it isn't kind of lost through the cracks. Fair enough. Uh, Council Member Dylan, did you still have a question or was it addressed by one of our colleagues?

I do still have a question. Um there's still words being thrown about catastrophic failure, drain the pond, um excessive liability. These are things that are making me extremely nervous. So I do feel as though because those words are out there, time is of the essence. Um that we do need to I would not support 90 days. Um and then we did talk about as as Mr. Hall should mention about a ballot initiative and sort of understand where we are timingwise um with this and you know I I mean we're just sort of taking things right now. I I appreciate that we've been able to push the pause button because a half a million dollars on this project and um whether this is the way we need to go or not. I don't know whether we've had others that have looked at it beyond Fiser to get other types of bids either. Um, so I do think there's definitely some work to do, but I feel like it needs to rise to the level of the top of the list of priorities for us to make sure that we have clear, concise, definitive information on which to base a decision. Um, it makes me very nervous that tonight we were going to spend this money had we not all of a sudden gotten some new information. So I I just want to understand and make sure that we are looking at this holistically as to what we need to do and if we need to spend the money to safely secure this then that's what we need to do. We have some other um information now that we need to absorb and kind of understand about. So, I think that this body needs to have some additional conversations and I would even say that in 30 days we come back and we see where we're at and then decide if we need to go out another 30

days. There are no additional questions. Thank you, Engineer Humphress. Thank you, city manager Swallow. Uh there's a motion on the floor by Gearbot, seconded by Dylan Simply to acknowledge receipt of the memo. All those in favor say I. I post say nay. Eyes have it. The motion carries unanimously. I'll make a motion to postpone consideration of uh unfinished uh business business item 2654 and 2655 to a date certain of June the 15th uh 2026. Second. Okay. Is there any additional discussion? Council member Ga

for me I concur with our individuals. We should figure out how to do this cheapest fix if we can do it as soon as possible because even regarding the other legal opinions and stuff, those can be reviewed. This does not prevent you from proceeding with this work, does it?

How do you want to see this? Basically, we've directed uh Spicer to engage either Fiser and or other contractors, preferably additional contractors to evaluate not only this proposal um and if there are any cost savings, but we did you we did try to value engineer this down to you know the lowest we could andor um you know some other alternatives like was discussed by engineer Humphre there is potential to well it's not ideal we could install another stop log basically secondary stock logs behind the current ones. Um, will it take 60 days to do that or can that be done if we get the information everything within 30 days?

Hard to say. Um, I think uh hopefully within 30 days, but we know we'll be ready within 60. Obviously, I in my opinion, you know, if it's an urgent item, we can still bring it back. If I may, there there's nothing that would prevent if something on the first. Yes. If the if the motion is adopted to postpone for 60 days, that means that staff is required, obligated to report out no later than that 60-day period. If you have information or you think it's imperative for us to take action before that 60 days, there's nothing that negates you from adding it as an action item on the agenda.

And the reverse of that is we could postpone it just for a month and then postpone it again in that period if we don't have the information. I'm just trying to give you an incentive to get this done as soon as possible as through our council direction. So, what about the rain? What about the rain for the spring? Heavier rains. Could that escalate this? We are seeing some additional water through the existing stop logs, but it's the uh steel plates that are in place have held up well. Um and so, uh we're not, you know, we're not uh we're not feeling like there's an immediate failure mode where we have to take immediate action. have raised the floodgates to allow more water to go through. Correct.

Any additional discussion on the motion? Have a motion on the floor moved by Marl, seconded by Deloro to postpone to a date certain of June 15, 2026. All those in favor say I. I. Post say nay. Nay. Eyes haven't. Motion carries 5 to one. Uh we move on to uh new business and we have two items that were removed from consent. The first up is 26-71 uh special event Jazz at the Mansion. Uh thank you. We're out of order here. So there's a 48. I don't know whether if you wanted to follow.

No, I'm going to go with you. Generally speaking, the numbers should should correlate, meaning that the consent agenda items should be taken up first if they're uh moved or if they're removed and added to uh to to new business. So we're going to take consent agenda items first. Uh it's 26-71 special event Jazz at the Mansion. specifically the Davenport Port Curtis property. This will be a motion uh to approve the special event application uh jazz at the mansion as submitted and to w and to wave fees associated with the event. Move to acknowledge moved by Dylan simply to acknowledge. Is there a second? Seconded by Gearb. Council member Dylan, please proceed with your questions.

Thank you. Um we knew this was coming and just sort of looking at it, I just want to clarify a couple of things. Um when and it's more specifically regarding the map and the layout of kind of understanding um are people going to have access to the house? Will it be roped off so that people cannot enter any part of it like the front porches or anything like that? Yes, the doors will be locked and they will not have direct access to the house.

Okay. Um, and then when we look at tents, just understanding first of all, one of the tents looks like it's being put in the area that floods that lowlying area, which would be the northwest corner of the property. But just understanding that tents will be put into grassy areas. There is no damage to the property at all. Correct. Obviously, there will be tent stakes, but uh but they're not going into ashvault or anything like that, the driveways. And

if I may on that, the issue of the the northwest corner, and perhaps Mr. Gearbaugh and uh and council member Deloro's memories are are the same as mine, but uh our understanding from uh Mr. Roberts, the family member who serves on our committee, indicated that that area generally floods during peak rainy season. So, April, May generally is would not be flooded at the tail end of July when this event is scheduled. John Richards um indicated that that floods during the spring and I've seen it split in the spring. During the summertime it's not unless we have a major four or five inch raintorm. So it is what it is. I don't think it'll be a concern.

That's fine. And then same with it says that vendors along the driveway and on the grass. Um just understanding that there won't be damage to the property as far as stakes going into the driveway and things like that. So we'll monitor the vendors uh for that. I mean typically they would only have very small tents are not not required to be uh staped down. They're also weights they can use in lie of stakes. I'd also add and I'm not sure if council member Gearbar or council member Deloro saw the agenda for Wednesday's meeting but um ensuring that we have uh proper uh supervision and volunteers from the committee present at the uh Jazz in the park event to to prevent any damage to the the land or the home is is a discussion item at our our upcoming committee meeting.

I appreciate that. And then it looks like, you know, just from this, like I said, I'm looking at just the way the map is done. And so I'm just hoping that this is just a conceptual thing. They've got kids corner of all places. It's right in the front along Michigan Avenue. It seems like that would be a safer place more on like the Henry Street side if you're going to have kids, not right up against Michigan Avenue. Um, so those are things to be concerned with. The other thing I wanted to ask is that does the city of Seline allow food trucks on the streets? Do we need to do some sort of permission for this? That street is going to be closed and they are allowed in that district.

Okay. And um I think that it was already and then as far as power sources, water sources, all of that. So, we're actually working with DT Energy right now to provide some supplemental power to the site. Um if that does not work, we have a plan B that a outlet 50 amp outlet could be added to uh the outside of the building. We've uh scoped that out. So um the disadvantage of you know connecting to the outside of the building would be you running cords for a longer distance. So right now though DT has offered to uh pay for installation of new electrical service on the site.

Okay. And do we have any estimate as to the number of attendees since there's only six portagons? says four to 600 which would be which I believe would be an increase from from last year but maintaining the the trajectory of the event which is they seem to add uh additional attendees uh every calendar year just sort of understanding whether that falls the number of Florida Johns and whether there needs to be more taken into consideration for that event bring that up with the event sponsors yeah I just want to go on that one point I think this um particular event is likely to be better attended in years past because of where it is. Yes, definitely. Mr. Gerba,

and the only thing I didn't notice on here was any need for additional policing for the four to for the four hours. DPW is on here, but I didn't know being a larger more present there that we might need to have an officer. Obviously, they uh it's been reviewed by the police department. Uh it was distributed to them. I believe they understood that they they could probably cover it with existing staffing. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Just one question. I think that's in keeping with years past where they had an officer drive down every once in a while and maybe walk the perimeter. Um, but there were never any issues in previous years and I I I highly doubt there will be any in 2026. Um, any additional questions? Council Harmon,

just a comment. We reviewed uh this at our environmental commission meeting this last week and um really appreciate the um consideration to the the guidelines the infender guidelines for the environmental sustainability. Um, we also would like to provide or offer help with signage for the um recycling and waste recepticles. So, very good. Um, council member Hal, before we vote on the motion to acknowledge receipt.

Oh, yeah. Actually, I'm wanted to address a couple of uh council Dylan's points. I'm actually on the jazz at the mansion subcommittee um in arts and culture. So, the kids corner um that was an intentional choice just because the other option was going to be where a lot of the stage and a lot of the musicians are unloading and uploading. Um and we also were thinking about along Henry Street. Um the portion that's blocked off as being um ADA accessible. So, we didn't want to have kids running around with also people who need like that area. Um, as far as the vendor walk, the vendor walk is going to go from the um the asphalt opening on Michigan Avenue up to the mansion. Um, and there all of the tents will be I think the 10 by 20 or the smaller tents and the rules I think that have been sent out to vendors is that they're going to be offset off of the asphalt. Um, so the only um the only thing that I know that will have any contact potentially with the asphalt is for the stage. So just wanted to

Thank you very much for that. And as far as vendors, it was clarified to them that no political candidates.

Yes. Um, as far as I know, I'm there having seen the vendors list. I don't think that we have any um political organizations within the vendor list. we are planning to include uh some of our community organizations. So, Seline Social Services, the library, like those sort of things. Um and that's kind of the area in front of the mansion uh adjacent to the kids zone. Um and then as far as any of access to the house, there is a plan to include potentially a banner. Um, I don't know if that banner will be around the house, but there is um, we are looking at including some signage as well with in relation to the event as far as access to the mansion.

Thank you. We have a motion on the floor moved by Dylan, seconded by Gearva to acknowledge receipt. All those in favor say I. I. Post say nay. I have it. The motion carries unanimously. Is there a motion now to approve the event or not to approve the special event application as submitted? To approve. Was that I'll let Harma be the mover. Was that to approve? Council member Harmon. Okay. And moved and seconded by Dylan. Is there any additional discussion on the motion? Uh we'll proceed to vote them. All the those in favor say I. I. Post say nay. Eyes have it. The motion carries six to zero. Um moving on to the final item that was removed from the consent portion of our agenda 26-76 special event um SUMC fund run. This will be a motion to approve the fund run requested by the First United Methodist Church of Seline.

Move to acknowledge. Moved by Dylan to acknowledge. Is there a second? Second. Seconded by Gearba. Please proceed with your questions. Thank you. I just wanted clarification um because this is a completely I believe done this fund run is on sidewalk. So we're not closing any streets. Just understanding there was talk of cones and just trying to understand are there any areas on which they are limiting access like T-Bo Lane and things like that or is it just so just trying to understand that aspect of it. I think there's obviously they'll have to cross streets at certain locations but uh everything else is on the sidewalks. Yes. And the event organizer is here. Okay.

Absolutely. Please come to the podium. Make sure the green light is illuminated at the base. We appreciate your presence tonight.

Hi, my name is Carolyn Manette and I'm here on behalf of the First United Methodist Church of Selene. Um, and I actually um didn't really realize that the uh this was on the agenda and Terry did uh inform me a week ago. Um the um the event is for a uh to increase awareness for childhood hunger. Um and we wanted to invite the community to be part of it and um it is all um all the money is going to go towards towards uh what's called the kids coalition against hunger. Um we purposely are um staying on sidewalks so we don't have to close streets. Um as far as Tyba um we're going to have like marshals on either side. I've talked with DPW and they have given they have given me the green light. I don't know if they have communicated that to you or not. We were not planning on closing any streets. Um we're going to start from Woodland Meadows basically run down Woodland and then run down um Maple, go through Breen Park and then come back. Um the only really streets street is Tybalt both by Weber Blouse and with the light. Um we don't foresee that much traffic on a Sunday afternoon at 3:00 in the afternoon and the runners will know that you know they have to stop at the light or they'll run around the cars however a runner does. We don't anticipate more than a hundred runners and as far as the time it'd be less than

probably, you know, not that many people are going to be running across the street at the same time. So I I don't think it should be a issue in terms of blocking any traffic. This event is very similar to the crop walk in years past. Correct. No. No. Okay. Completely different. This is a new event. Um, and it's similar though in the sense that you're using public sidewalks though. Yes. Using public sidewalks. Yes.

Um, and this is kind of like the first year for it. And I mean, if it gets bigger, maybe we'll expand onto something else. But the whole idea is to engage the community for childhood hunger awareness and and to to help support that. Yeah. Please.

Thank you very much. I really appreciate that and um you know having spent many of Saturdays packing uh dry goods for the kids coalition. I I I appreciate the cause. I appreciate your efforts to raise money for that that worthy group. Um I just wanted clarification like I said because it had cones and just understanding that Tibo Lane because of the new sports complex for the school that property might be being used. I know.

Um we had this discussion with Brian Puffer and then also with DPW because they don't actually know when all that's going to be done. And um as far as access because there's we're not closing off T-bot Lake from from the west entrance. They can still come in that way. Um we're just going to cross it over by um the Weber Blasts. And then as far as the library goes, there's an exit that they can go out through the the western entrance also if that becomes an issue, but I don't think it'll be an issue. Fantastic. Well, thank you for the clarification.

Additional questions from the deis. Thank you for being here, by the way. We do appreciate it. Um, all right. There's a motion on the floor to acknowledge your seat. All those in favor say I. Post say nay. I say the motion carries unanimously. Is our motion now to approve or not to approve? Moved by Gearbot to approve. Is there a second? Second. Seconded by Dylan. Is there any additional discussion? Appears to be none. All good luck with your event, by the way. We hope uh hope the weather is uh yeah, hope the weather cooperates. Um it's been properly moved and seconded to approve. All those in favor say I.

I. Say nay. I haven't. The motion carries unanimously. We move on to regular uh new business items 26-73. Uh city hall roof restoration bid. This will be a motion to acknowledge receipt and to approve or not to approve awarding the contract of restoration of city hall roof to CNI building maintenance incorporated in accordance with the attached municipal building roof restoration invitation to bid uh for a base bid amount of $348,110 and authorize an additional $36,784 uh for lighting protection system work and verification and to authorize 10% contingency of $34,811 to be utilized at the discretion of the Department uh of public services director for a total authorized amount of $419,75.

Move to acknowledge. Moved by Dylan simply to acknowledge. Is there a second? Second. Seconded by Deloro. Um in the absence of our DPS director, um city manager Swallow, would you like to comment?

Thank you, mayor councel. Uh obviously, uh for some time we've known that there are some concerns with the city hall roof uh due to appearance of some leaks and uh some visual inspections. So with that, the city engaged uh roofing advisor TMCO to complete full diagnostics of the roof. They actually did perform scans, infrared scans uh to take a look at the condition of the insulation underneath. There are a few spots that will need to uh be uh cut out and repaired as well as they did confirm that yes uh that either replacement and/or restoration of the roof would be uh needed. Uh there is a product uh liquid applied product that they can put on membrane roofs like ours uh that uh that is that is also includes a reinforcing mesh, a polyester mesh uh that is much less expensive than actually tearing off and re-roofing completely. Uh so that was the recommendation to go with the Alphag Guard Bio Restoration of the roof uh that that be applied. And it does come with a 20-year warranty. So it is well a new roof you may get up to 30 years. It's still a very good repair and it's about half the cost of what a new roof would be. So, uh, with that, based on this information, I worked to Premco to put out bid uh, for contractors uh, to complete this work. Uh, so we did receive bids back uh, from a number of contractors. The low bid, as mentioned, was CNI contracting. Uh, one of the things uh, that uh, was discovered during the pre-bid walk, however, was that uh, the municipal building has lightning. There's rods, lighting rods on the roof uh that would have to be uh probably taken off during the installation and then uh reattached and then tested and certified uh in order to uh inter in order to uh qu make sure that they continue to work properly. Uh so with that uh we did after receiving the bids and interviewing uh the uh the the low bidder CNI, we did discover that they did not include that in their contract. Um it is a little bit uh we looked at the addendum that was uh put

out uh for the contract. It does indicate that um it would be they would be removed and reinstalled. It does say by a qualified contractor later. Uh so there's a little bit of discrepancy whether the biders were to include that in their base bid or not. In this case and I did not. So we're recommending uh adding that uh that cost which would be $36,784. Uh also just because of when they if they cut out the insulation things, there are a few um potentials for uh some additional work uh for uh insulation restoration, things of that nature. So we're also recommending that contingency uh amount uh to be included 10% contingency uh for $34,811. Uh but again, total cost $419,75. uh based on my communications with uh TMCO uh they have worked with CNI building maintenance in the past. They do a number of large uh commercial contracts as mentioned uh in the uh in uh in my writeup. They've done the Grand Grand Rapids Art Museum, Corwell Health Building, as well as some other uh significant uh institutional buildings. So, we do believe they are fully qualified and uh with uh TMCO's concurrence, we're recommending approving the contract to uh CNI uh CNI Building Maintenance Incorporated.

That was very thorough. Thank you, city manager Swall. Are there questions for the city manager regarding this uh motion? Uh Council Member Dylan,

thank you. Um so, the city manager and I had a couple of conversations about this prior to the meeting and I just want to clarify. So, this does not include we have pieces. There's right above us. There's a piece of the the sidewall that is missing. This does not include that. There were inspections done of the drains, the actual drains, and I thought there were issues with those drains with clogs and issues that were causing some of the leaking. um have all of those I mean it seems like we've had 10 different inspections of this roof done and looking at different things that were happening. I guess I want to make sure that we're was all of that information compiled so that after we put a roof on we say oh you know what it was that downspout by the way that was causing this because there's some thing inside of it. Well, yeah. As far as the drains, uh that uh was inspected and we'll basically they how they apply this and they'll make sure the drain is clear and how they apply the product around the drain. There's fairly there's actually drawings within the bid specifications for how they do that. Um you had mentioned where there's an exposed piece of plywood,

correct? I believe there used to be some siding material or something that that is not included. It's not part of the roof itself. That is more of a siding um thing, but uh we can we can take care of that separately, but it's not part of the roof structure itself. Okay. Because that was a point in which it was leaking. It was my understanding. That's what we were told that that was part of where there was a leak. There will be that. I mean, they're bringing up the, you know, the sides of the each of the pertinances around the equipment, things like that. There's some specifications for how they apply this product up the side uh of those particular areas. Uh but I just want to clear it won't cover that entire plywood area. Okay.

Can can I stop you right there? regardless of whether it's causing a leak or not, it looks like hell. Especially when you're at the especially when you're at the stop sign eastbound on on McKay. And to Council Member Dylan's point, it's been without sighting for several years now. So, if we can expedite getting that repaired, I think that would be um I think that would be great. Sorry to interrupt.

And um when we talk about what about is part of your contingency to for the internal damage, we have multiple ceiling tiles that need to be replaced. this wall back here has bubbling from it. Um there's a lot of other aspects of things. So just understanding where those repairs are coming in and whether there's any mold remediation that needs to be done as a result.

The scan did identify any areas where there had to be uh any insulation you know that was saturated or you know due to leaks and so that is part of the roof itself. uh that will all be repaired, but the interior is not included in this quote. Uh certainly that's something that you know we can uh work on whether we can do that internally. Um but as far as like you know roof tiles and things like that that's not part of the roof structure itself or ceiling tiles, excuse me.

Okay. And can you remind me how much did we receive from the insurance company? Was there we didn't have an insurance claim for the roof. Did what was the dollar amount that we actually had budgeted for the roof? Uh so we had I believe um like $700,000 budgeted in case it had to be replaced. Okay. So we are significantly under correct that budget number. Okay. Additional questions. Mr. Gerb. Um just who's going to be the owner rep in charge of this since we don't have a facility manager yet? Who's going to be doing that?

So uh TMCO uh will be on site during our installation. Uh since part of their uh they're serving as our roofing adviser. We also have our our building inspection team uh looking at as well. Uh so, but they're not, you know, they're on this liquid product. They're not necessarily um experts. So, that's why Trimco will be on site also during uh during uh installation.

That's good to hear. We've had some bad luck with roofs. So, making sure that we have a good owner rep representing us and double-checking the work is much appreciated. Uh the only other issue with this is the bid process. I know we're working on how to improve our bidding and everything else. So going forward, I'm hoping that we can make sure in clarifications. I know this extra going back seems to be questionable, but I guess we're adding on this additional piece for the the lightning protection system. It's just I get a little nervous when we have bids that don't necessarily comply with the full um requirements of it. And we don't want to necessarily have to rebid and put a delay on this. So, as long as we have clarification,

we complied with the original specifications. Uh, it was part of the addendum when they discovered the where the lighting rods were. Um, that it caused this change and and you know, if we look at that addendum language could have been very clear that, you know, specifically make sure you include this in your bid. You know, that is something that we have reasonable condition to wave that uh that. Thank you. Um, and Mr. Uh, Swallow, City Manager Swall, before we vote, um, this is a question for the the public's edification or benefit. Um, assuming the motion passes this evening, when will work convene and what kind of inconveniences to our our customers, our residents would you expect during the duration of the the work?

Well, that is the other advantage a little bit uh to uh this particular product. You know, without the tear off, you don't have all that waste material and so there will be ladders, you know, around the the facility. they're going to have to power wash it uh before uh application. So, there'll be obviously water, you know, spraying around the building uh things of that nature. So, there may be intermittent interruptions, but uh we can continue to occupy the building uh during the during the installation. Okay. And uh time frame uh as soon as possible. They're actually trying to squeeze this in, but they have a larger like schools for example are a big customer of theirs. Um and so they usually do that during summer break, you know, when the schools are closed and things of that nature. So, uh, we're trying to get this, uh, approved as soon as possible. Very good.

Okay. And we'll proceed to vote then on a motion, uh, simply to acknowledge receipt, which was moved by Dylan, seconded by Delarco. All those in favor say I. I. Post say nay. I haven't, the motion carries unanimously. Is there a motion now to approve or not to approve? Move to approve. Moved by Gearbox to approve. Is there a second? Seconded by Delorco. Is there any additional discussion on the motion? Appears to be none. All those in favor say I.

I. Post say nay. Eyes have it. The motion carries six to zero. Next two items are sort of prefuncter things. Uh first up is 2648 uh fire special assessment resolution number two simply setting the public hearing. This will be a motion to acknowledge received the memo from treasure Finch and to adopt or not to adopt resolution number 26482 setting a public hearing for May the 18th 2026 for the purpose of a special assessment levy in the amount of $647,746 which does not exceed 1 mill. Move to acknowledge and adopt. Moved by Gearbot to acknowledge and adopt. Is there a second?

Second. seconded by Dylan. Um, any brief comments you'd like to make, Mr. Swallow? Again, this is uh become standard practice for us for the last few years, so it does not deviate from what we've done in both uh 2024 and 2025. Correct. There'll be a third and final resolution to uh assess uh the special assessment levy uh at the May 18th meeting subject to any comments that would be brought forward at the public hearing. Yep. Uh Mr. Gearbot, any comment you'd like to make as our permanent representative of the fire board? Nope. I we knew this was coming and this is the way we fund it. Very good. Uh any additional questions or comments from the desk? Any discussion on the motion? Then we'll proceed to vote. It's been moved by Gearbox, seconded by Dylan to acknowledge and to adopt. All those in favor say I. I.

Post say not. Nay. Eyes have it. The motion carries unanimously. We move on to new business item 26-74. Recommended budget for fiscal year 27, July 126 through June 30th, 27, and resolution again setting a public hearing date. This will be a motion to acknowledge and place on file the recommended uh fiscal uh year 27 budget from the city from city manager swallow and to approve or not to approve the resolution to set the public hearing date for proposed fiscal year 27 budget on Monday May the 18th at 7 p.m. with public notice to be given in accordance to the law. Move to acknowledge and to approve. Uh how about to acknowledge to place on file and to approve? Yeah. Second.

Okay. Very good. And that was seconded by Harmount. Again, simply a prefuncter thing. Uh, Mr. Swallow, we did have an in-depth discussion on the proposed budget earlier this evening. That me that meeting was recorded and we welcome you to take uh a look online and address any questions you may have to to council members or staff. Anything you'd care to say about this particular motion on April 24th, uh we'll have the public notice out there and then uh we'll have the uh obviously the the budget itself if people want to look it up. Uh we'll place it on the website and have the hard copies available at city hall. Very good. Uh any questions or comments from the desk? Any discussion on the motion? It's been moved by Gearbox, seconded by Hermat to acknowledge, to place on file, and to approve. All those in favor say I. I.

Post say nay. Eyes have it. Motion carries unanimously. Moving on to new business item 2675. Warm a resolution for second amended articles of incorporation. This will be a motion to acknowledge uh to acknowledge receipt and to approve or not to approve the second amended articles of incorporation for the Regional Resource Management Authority in the form of the attached resolution. Move to acknowledge. Moved by Dylan simply to acknowledge. Is there a second? Second. Seconded by GearB. Um, in the absence of our DPS director, Mr. Swallow, would you care to um make some comments? Thank you, Mayor Council. And just to note, uh, yeah, assistant superintendent uh, Marion is in the office or excuse me, in the audience.

Deputy director is here. Sorry, Mr. Marion. I acknowledged you earlier but failed to remember you were

representative to warm up which is why I asked him to be here tonight in case there are questions about uh what the what the board is currently or what the organization is currently working on. But uh as council is aware uh for some time the the city has been a member of the regional resource management authority. Um and basically they do a lot of coordination around solid waste management across county. Uh as you recall a couple years ago, there was an initiative to try and get a joint bid uh of several municipalities to handle waste uh hauling uh services uh and uh recycling. Uh those services would be then the goal in that case was to reduce the overall cost, try and get a by bidding out together, we'd get a better pricing on that. That effort did not move forward because I had a couple of municipalities that uh went ahead and renewed contracts before uh that was ready to go out to bid. Uh so with that they're now been focusing more on just other uh waste management issues across county including recycling is a significant focus of theirs uh right now and how uh municipalities can improve recycling in particular in their community. So uh with that this change is just a change in really how the organization functions in terms of annual meetings um and regular meetings uh going from uh the more flexibility in when their annual meeting annual meeting can be called uh lessening the number of meetings required from monthly to quarterly uh and then adjusting the timing of the budget to accommodate the quarterly meeting schedule. So really this is more a functional uh item in terms of uh when they meet and uh when elections and other organizational things occur. Uh with that I know there's some questions that came up. You know do we still see value in being members of the organization and I think the the short answer is yes. There's a $5,000 annual uh contribution that we make in dues uh towards that. I you know I I'll give the example when we updated the waste management contract. We did

borrow uh several uh best management practices that they had developed as part of the the goal to bid out you know that larger contract. Uh we still do work with them on you know how how we're doing uh for recycling here in the city and how we might improve. So I think there's some value. Uh certainly uh Mr. Marian may be able to provide a little more detail as he is our designated representative. Mr. Mary and we appreciate your attendance and patience this evening. Is there anything like you'd like to add to the record before we open up for questions?

Um just I find great value in this um being part of this for the last I don't know for the last year. Um Zach Hoplo took over when he was when he was part of the organization and then I took it back over in his absence. Um I think working with the the eight communities that are part of it is there's a great value trying to trying to line up all the contracts um so that hopefully we can regionalize something and and again save save cost overall is is the overall goal of the of of Warma and its initiative. Um there's also a lot of work being done to talk about recycling and get the different mers in order. I know that our vendor is Waste Management and I I highly approve of them. They're using the the latest and greatest state-of-the-art brand new facility down in Detroit who is, you know, accepts in theory some more materials. There's also some legislation coming down from upstate talking about food waste. So, this group talks about that a lot and and what direction we need to go or start thinking about as as that becomes a bigger issue with landfills not wanting to take on food waste.

Very good. Thank you, Mr. Marian. Uh are there questions for either the city manager or our deputy DPW director? Um looks like council member Dylan and then I'll jump to Mr. Delco and then uh council member Harmound. Thank you. Um Mr. Mary, thank you for being here since you're actually attend the meeting. You hopefully you've got some insight. So between the eight communities, it's about 40 grand a year that's paid into WAMA. What are they spending the funds on?

So it's on education. There's Warma. If there if you ever get a chance, go to the WMA site. There's a um it's a trash wizard. I can't remember the exact name of it. Um waste wizard is what it's called. So, if anyone has any questions about whether you can or can't do certain kinds of styrofoam or certain plastic cups or anything like that, you can punch that in and it'll tell you where where that's recommended to go. Um, and that's facilitated through through WARMA. So, education for the public in general. Um, they also it's it's a county initiative. So, they they put in their 5,000 and they but they run the the program.

Okay. And what where are you in current conversations? Like where do they feel as though like they're going to finally get the the the traction to be a consortium?

So our contract and Epsilani's contract, city of Epsilani's contract have lined up where we're I think we and we did a five-year. So we're going to take the next five years and see what legislation comes through. Try to get everyone else who has expiring contracts. Uh, Ann Arbor Township, Dexter, Pittsfield, Isani Township. I feel like I'm missing a couple. Um, trying to get everyone in line so the contracts line up so that they can extend theirs to match what we have done and what it's done. That's that's that's the goal along with education and

Okay. So then at this point then we're looking at five more years of buy in with education just being the outcome from education and and learning and working with they work with the people upstate in legislation to to understand what's coming down with with the food waste. That's going to be a a big deal. Food won't go into trash anymore. It will be composted and working with compost and finding solutions for that as well.

Okay. I appreciate that that food waste um because I know right now beyond garbage food waste and um compost, you know, leaves that sort of natural compost um are the two big factors right now of space and especially food compost. Um, so I appreciate that there's conversations about that and hopefully we can bring them into the city and get a little bit more education because I know I am still what I refer to as an optimistic recycler. I'm sure I put things into my recycle bin that probably shouldn't go. Um

to add so to yes the um as as if you look at the uh articles of corporation 2 there is provision if members need to withdraw because they no longer see value there's a 60-day provision that they can withdraw from the organization too. So, if it isn't necessarily 5 years, if we did not feel that we're getting value out of this, we do have a 60-day out, if you will.

Right. And I mean, I think that's the part that I'm most disappointed with was that we all bought into this and then we keep having that 60-day clause is the problem is that we have people, it's time like, okay, let's, you know, we're ready, set, and then we have communities that that step away and we kind of lose that that buying power aspect of it. So, I mean, I think everybody either has to be in the pool or it needs to fold and go away. Thank you, uh, Council Member Deloro and then Council Member Harm. Most of my questions were answered. I just basically wanted to understand if is the notion of regionalizing trash pickup with Warma in the water? Is there going to be another bite at the apple down the road?

Oh, there's there will be definitely another bite at the apple. It's it's getting the contracts lined up so everyone expires at the same time which makes it convenient for everyone to jump on one contract with whomever and that's that's where the trepidation is for some communities. I think we're pretty comfortable with waste management here so there could be some trepidation if if someone else were to to win that bid. Um but I mean again if it if it saves So you're in the business of hurting cats. If I mean it's it's in the interest of saving money is what it is. And it sounds like it's a significant amount of money over the over the duration of the contract. Understood. Thank you.

Um, okay. So, uh, thank you so much for stepping into this role. Uh, I know that they've been there's been a lot of efforts started with warm up probably back in 2020 or maybe a little bit before that. Do we know if they've actually improved the quality recycling since we started? Because I've been to several different MURFs. I'm like really in the no on recycling and I it's a just a garbage in literally um not super efficient process in general. So So it sounds like the the new state-of-the-art facility in Detroit that Waste Management has built and and we're now delivering to for for our recycling. Sounds like it's amazing. I haven't been there. I'm sure that we could organize something. I could organize something for for any of you to join um with Theo or even with Shantel and u I don't want to throw her under the bus. She's not here to speak for herself, but I'm sure we could organize something with waste management to for a tour of that facility. I think that'd be fantastic.

Great. And I'm very optimistic and hopeful for the curbside composting since 33% of landfills is right now is food waste. So diverting that would be significant. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Gerba. Uh, just real quick, Ryan, when you mentioned the um the website, I just happened to look at it. Looks like they haven't really updated it since February 2025, and they don't have anything regarding 25 summary of activity. So, you might at your next meeting suggest they do a review. That again, I thought I looked at it today and I thought that there was 2026 information up there, but yeah, it just says 25. Yeah, it says the last one's February 2025 and they usually have something every few months, but it's been a year and a half, so or a year, three months. Thank you.

Any additional questions for the day? Uh Mr. Marian, thank you. Uh city manager Swallow, thank you as well. Uh we have a motion on the floor moved by Dylan, seconded by uh Gearbos simply to acknowledge receipt. All those in favor say I. I. Post say nay. Eyes have it. The motion carries unanimously. Is there a motion now to approve or not to approve? To approve. Moved by Gearbot to approve. Is there a second? I'll second. Seconded by Telco. Uh thank you. Uh any additional discussion? Uh all those in favor of approving say I. I

oppos say nay. Eyes have it. The motion carries unanimously. Uh the last formal action item of the evening is 26-77 Selen Area Fire Authority Articles of Incorporation. This has been a motion to acknowledge receipt and to adopt or not to adopt the articles of incorporation for the purpose of creating the Selen Area Fire Authority under the provision of the Emergency Services of M Emergency Services to Municipalities Act of 1988 PA57 as amended and to authorize the clerk or actually to authorize the mayor and clerk to endorse the articles. Motion to acknowledge and to adopt. Motion by Harmon to acknowledge and to adopt. Is there a second?

I'll second. seconded by Gearb. Um, city manager Swallow, would you like to begin? We also have Mr. Swainson who is the representative from Loi Township and chair of the fire board and then of course we can hear comments from Mr. Gearbal who's our permanent rep to the Selen area fireboard and Mr. Deloro who is the alternate.

Uh, thank you mayor and council. This is uh, you know, kind of a culmination of a lot of work and uh, first of all the the city and its partners considering an authority uh, to handle our fire services. Uh obviously back in October of 25 uh at our meeting we reviewed that and uh basically council passed a resolution of intent to work with partners in developing the fire authority and working towards uh the adoption of the articles of incorporation. Uh the fire board particularly the steering committee who uh obviously Miss Champion has been very directly involved in as our representative uh have worked uh in numerous hours uh to uh develop the articles and incorporation. We're talking about the powers of the authority, uh the number of terms and the board members, uh how they would be selected, um the whether or not to include an atlarge board member, what constitutes a quorum, you know, the number of officers, uh oversight of the fire chief, uh budget adoption process and time frame, funding of the authority with a dedicated mill or without, uh what's the scenario that uh uh may occur without, uh and the need for some additional uh details to be adopted. opted as as bylaws for the organization and then the things like you know if we uh would expand or contract how would we add a member or delete a member. So uh I think uh in general everybody is very satisfied with the uh the articles incorporation where they stand. Uh the board uh approved that they be distributed out for the communities for adoption. Uh there was some changes in terms of how the uh annual budget was adopted based on actions by Loi Township and Selen Township. Uh basically um the way the articles were drafted was that the the board would essentially adopt the budget and that's where most of the negotiation would occur and that would go out uh to the municipalities for a final approval. uh Loi and Selene have

requested that we moved more direction where there's just a a draft budget or preliminary budget that is sent out for the municipalities to consider and approve and then um it's if uh the successful then it's brought back uh to the board for final adoption. So that's a little bit of a change in how it would function. Uh one of the concerns uh with that particular model and is this is this is really just for um and I I let me clarify a little bit. This is really just if there's not a millage approved uh what what would be the scenario for budget adoption. Uh so one of the concerns was we don't want to delay in getting the budget adopted as it may go back and forth between the board and the additional municipalities. So that was one change. However, uh I think overall I mean all the the the core functions are the same. Uh the the articles are the same other than this provision uh that were approved by the fire board for distribution. Uh so at this time I would recommend going ahead with adoption of the articles of incorporation. Uh and certainly take any questions that that you may have. Uh Mr. Gerbot, anything you'd like to add as our rep to the fireboard?

Well, and speaking with Lori Champion and and know thankfully Craig's here tonight, too. Um we recognize each independent or area or municipality having authority to make these changes and so forth. Where the concern came up was the process of how this was brought forward. Um Loi made the change. We would have preferred if that change would have come to the board, the executive board itself, the fire board to be reviewed and discussed and to determine. Unfortunately, it was directly taken immediately to the Sleen Township and made as an approach to avoid. That's an issue that the executive board will have to deal with and how that process occurred through the fire chief and what other representatives. Um the concern with this one again, it only will be triggered if there isn't a millage and it goes back to where we're basically the same approach we had in the past. I mean, the idea will be is that one municipality or township has the authority to basically kill the budget and forcing it to go back based on what I'm seeing with this moves forward like this. My concern in talking with Lori is that could that jeopardize the bonding and the financial aspects of what's happening with the new authority that if something happens, you know, is there a risk there related to that being that some outside entity has the ability to kill the budget when you're planning on doing debt servicing and all those kind of things? That could be a trigger that we should have probably talked about. Um, at this point, uh, we need to move forward on these articles and try and get something. I think this is kind of a compromise. Uh we in the past have also discussed that issue of having does one member of the committee in the current memor memo of understanding have the ability to stop a budget. In the past it didn't loai voted to not do it and we still went forward with it. So this puts more weight upon it and if it's in the articles then it will allow that to happen. Should that happen? Really, what the intent is, and it was one of my concerns, was what happens when you're committing a community to a budget and there's not a millillage there dedicated

to support it, you're basically forcing that entity to then have somehow fund it. So, this gives us some opportunity to reconsider and force back onto the um authority to say, "Hey, we can't fund it in this short notice. You're going to have to make some changes and things." So, there are some positives to it. And I can see where LOI was pushing in that. Mr. uh I'm sorry, Mr. Delco as the alternate. Do you have any comments you'd like to make at this time?

I I want to say that hopefully we don't get into the situation where the millage doesn't pass and we're not forced to um trigger this clause. Um I do think that the articles need to move forward, but I did want to voice some frustration over the way in which this was handled. Um, this change was made post hawk, circumventing the fireboard after the articles were approved and that is against the spirit of how we're supposed to be working together as a team to get this thing done.

Thank you, Mr. Swanson. As the chair of the fire board, are there any comments you'd like to make this evening? We appreciate your attendance and patience. You don't have to make comments, but we would welcome them if you you are so inclined. I guess I would just say that um as you mentioned I'm also the LOA rep and I think generally load works well. We we had a perfect storm here. Unfortunately I was with grandkids for spring break in Arizona home there and you all know our supervisor passed and we just had a bunch of things. And I don't think this is Lo's reputation. I think Loi will be a good partner in this. And unfortunately, things didn't work out well this time. But it it it is important, I think, that we be able to put in front of the voters an opportunity to upgrade their fire service because we have fallen behind. I think uh as we look around other other fire departments in the county. So that was all I wanted to add. M

Well, we appreciate that very much. Uh Mr. Gerbala, my question is primarily for the public's benefit. So ju just to be clear on some previous statements, the way the language is written now, uh one municipality can essentially veto the proposed budget. moving this forward. If if we don't have a millillage, if there's not a voted millage and then say, you know, 10 years from now it expires, if we actually get a millage, then it goes back to each entity and we basically revert back and that one partner of this group could vote to say, "Nope, we don't want the budget and then we'd be force it back." Then you'd be in this repeated role of agreeing to a budget at some point, kind of like we've done in the past. I

I I appreciate that that that that clarification. Um I I I I look at action items in their totality. I look at them holistically and as I look at this proposal, I think the good far outweighs the bad. My one issue would be with that uh particular matter. Um and you're you're correct as is council member Delarco. Hopefully, it is a non-issue and that there is a millage that is um uh considered and adopted by the electorate in the the ensuing months or years. I I do think it is not a best practice to allow one municipality veto power over a proposed budget. I think if there a majority votes uh then that should should carry the day and that should be the the budget that the the group moves forward even if there are certain individuals who who object or have concerns. But that said, I I articulated my concerns to my colleagues and to the public. Um I think the good here outweighs the bad and uh when we get to a a mo or a vote to uh both acknowledge and to adopt, I'll be voting in the affirmative. Um council member Dylan, do you have some questions?

Thank you. Um just some comments. having spent 10 years on the fire board. Um this is a long time coming and I will just say that, you know, I don't want to throw away the ba the baby with the bath water on this one. Um there were definitely some missteps and it's my assumption and that the current fire board will address them and making sure that policies and procedures uh carry forward in in a correct manner moving forward. Um I do have some internal questions for us just understanding so there's a perfect storm and there is no millillage it comes back to the municipalities at that point first will our special our fire special assessment does that survive this creation of the fire authority?

Yes. So we will always have that and we can just put it back into hibernation. Correct. I mean we can obviously uh that we have the process with the resolutions that we would have to follow to you reassess the uh fire special assessment but yes that would we still have that power to if the village should fail uh to use that as our funding mechanism.

Okay. Um because the issue and this was a a bigger issue that I think unfortunately was just an issue for the city is that the budget timeline they run calendar year they're um so they're a January 1 to December 31st which doesn't necessarily match to the city's year and so there could potentially be a need for funding outside of our budget planning time. So, it is set up really to accommodate the township budget. Correct. I believe if you look at the articles, believe it's December 1st, the deadline uh for uh for the budget uh approval. So, that does set them up for beginning at the beginning of the uh calendar year. Yes.

So, we have a little bit more time in that regard because our our fiscal year doesn't start till July one, right? But then if they were to come for money, it would be in the midst of our fiscal year. there's an increases correct we're anticipating. Yes.

Right. So that that's the part. So I just want to be very mindful of that and it's something that I think you know I'm very optimistic, knock on some wood, that any kind of millillage would pass and it would be a non-issue. I think it's something though that the city will always need to have eyes on and be proactive in planning. So should we come to close to an end of a millillage that there's a renewal or something that the city is making a plan as to should it not pass what would that look like for funding on our part?

Thank you. Any additional questions from the DAS? Um okay there's a motion on the floor. Is there any additional discussion or debate on the motion? I'm sorry because we do have a motion on the floor to acknowledge receipt and to adopt. No. Okay. It's been properly moved by Harmount, seconded by Gearbot to acknowledge and to adopt the articles. All those in favor say I. I. Oppos say nay. Eyes have it. Motion carries unanimously. Mr. Swansson, Chairman Swainson, thank you very much. Appreciate your time this evening. Uh we proceed to the discussion portion of our agenda. First up is reports and other announcements including updates from committees, commissions, task forces, uh and working groups. Again, I'm going to start to my left and end to my right. Council member Harmmont, any any reports?

I do. So, we had our environmental commission meeting last Wednesday. This is Earth Month and Wednesday is Earth Day. We kicked off Earth Month with a really great nature walk and plant identification. Thank you so much, Mr. Peters, Jim Peters, for your excellent historical um presentation. We had a lot of folks that showed up. I think we had like 25 or so folks and it was raining and it was just really great. Um Allison um Ostik did a great job with um her presentation about plants. She's very knowledgeable. There is a lot of plant life in the Salt Springs um park. So, highly recommend if you hadn't had a chance to get there. And on your way to the Salt Springs, you can also check out the DPW uh I'm sorry, the um wastewater treatment plant progression. Uh on Saturday, we have a Bracken Park cleanup in the morning and then um code and uh Clay Code is doing a um an event later in the evening. uh Tara Joshi used to be a member of the environmental commission. And then uh on the 28th we have a collaboration with the library and we will be filming Wild Robot. It is a familyfriendly film. Thank you.

Very good. Council member Gerba. um since our last meeting, risk management met, just addressing that, trying to bring some more information into that to um actually repurpose and getting some more input um to bring to council hopefully by next month a um a little updated on all the concerns and things that we have. Um asset management had met all my colleagues who are part of that. A lot of the focus was on the dam and also dealing with some of the concerns and issues related to um basically water and sewer and how we will progress moving forward in terms of um potential expansion or other options related to how we will provide those services to our community.

Very good. Um I just have two um and I sent an email to this effect earlier today. Um, we had our monthly um, Selen Area Senior Center executive board meeting uh, this morning at 9:00 a.m. We dealt with several um, substantive items, but we also received a tour of the updated and expanded senior center which is nearing completion. In fact, it needs to be complete by uh, a week from tomorrow. Um and all of you are invited uh on council in the community to the regrand opening and ribbon cutting uh which will be on Cinco de Mayo two weeks from tomorrow um at 4 with a brief program in ribbon cutting around 4:15 and then tours of the uh expanded facility subsequent to that. It's it's absolutely gorgeous. I actually thought it looked pretty good before um but it's enlarged and it is a um a substantially improved service um for uh Seline area seniors. Um and then my last announcement is um I was present along with council members Harmount Deloroco and Halsh uh yesterday afternoon for the formal installation of Pastor Kimberly uh Ashby at uh the Presbyterian Church in downtown Seline. It was a very nice event. Um, and she's obviously been a a wonderful resource and a supporter of of a number of important community initiatives, and we wish uh her and her congregants the very best as she hopefully uh continues a a long-term tenure with an important um important church in our our our our community. I think it's important to note the the positive impact that our faith communities have on on the greater Seline area. Um and with that, I'll defer to Council Member Dylan.

Thank you. Um, the cable commission met and we are still working through our future planning. Um, I do think that city manager Swallow and I will be sending out some information to council to solicit some feedback that we need for some better decision making moving forward. Um, Urban County had its we had their first engineering premeating regarding the new sidewalk that would be put on Maple Road using our urban county funds. Um, the city manager, I was not a participant in that meeting, but uh, he was able to participate. It was it's very preliminary. Uh the county will be doing some environmental and we will next steps will be that once the preliminary engineering those costs will come back to this body for review um because there will most likely be a shortfall that the city will um have to absorb with that. And um Mr. Gerbwa talked about asset management.

Very good. Council member Delarco.

I won't get into asset management. That's been covered. Um the Davenport Curtis House group met on April 8th. We spent the majority of the time um being briefed on a strategic planning process from Diana Wong with her presentation kind of coalescing around how we want to go about um organizing um public community engagement and communication. Um we also were able to establish uh two subcommittees. Um, we defined a small finance subcommittee as well as the creation of a commu communication subcommittee. And there's already been some uh fruit of that labor. I don't know if anyone's seen uh the mansion minutes going around on social media, but they're trying to be very informative with what we're up to engaging the community and leading up to uh particularly leading up to Jazz in the Park. So, got some great things accomplished there and we're meeting again this week.

Very good. Council member Hal, any reports, announcements, or updates from committees, commissions, or task forces?

Uh, yeah. So, we met last week, arts and culture committee um to continue going over uh excuse me, some of the marketing and the logistics around uh jazz at the mansion. Um we also uh have decided to open up our um the electrical box painting. we've decided to open that up to the community. Um so we're working on getting that messaging out to the community. Um there we were awarded uh a CARES grant to um to repair the little libraries. I think four of the little libraries across the city. Um I know in another meeting council member Dylan had mentioned um some communities are converting those into little pantries. So that was an idea that I brought up to arts and culture and it is something that they're very much interested in and amendable to. Um we also appointed uh with the resignation of of Charlie Hurst uh we appointed a new vice chair um Alex Johnson. Um and then as far as the uh rec center implementation team, um we had our first meeting oh I think a week before um and got together and and the first meeting uh was really focusing on sort of our scope um our mission and looking at some of the capital improvement projects that were identified in in prior task force and studies um with uh with that earmark. Um, one of the things that I made sure to bring up kind of on behalf of council is um that we're really looking at how we can bring u measurability um and and setting benchmarks in as far

as the work that we're doing, but also um within the rec center. Um and also really making sure that it was stressed that uh as a body we do want to consider and look at what a closure scenario would look like. Um so those sort of those are some of the things I know I've heard from from you my colleagues. So those were articulated and communicated to that implementation team. So we look forward to meeting tomorrow and working towards that June report.

Very good. Thank you. Um and last item is a status on the uh Bixby Marinet Trust Agreement. As I had previously articulated, I'd hope this would be an action item at tonight's meeting. Um unfortunately, it was not, but we continue to make good progress and hopefully there'll be something to digest or act at or act upon at our next meeting of the first Monday in May. U Mr. Swallow, do you want to give a brief update?

Sure. Thank you again, Mayor and Council. I think the uh I shared with you uh the document that we're working from, the the original trust agreement. uh there is a provision in that trust agreement that indicates that if the collection is no longer used for its intended purpose that it may be returned to the heirs and so that's something that we've brought up with the uh Bixby group and said you know we you know council cannot continue to maintain the collection in its entirety um there may be an opportunities uh for a smaller subset of it to potentially uh be preserved or stored at least here and then you know circulated throughout the existing uh display areas uh for example the library as well as Liberty School as well as here at city hall. uh but that it is the city's intent to move forward with either dissolving the trust or coming to some sort of agreement on how it could be amended that uh the collection could be reduced uh distributed out if hopefully to other institutions uh that may be able to use the balance of the trust or balance of the materials um or you know or or look at you know maybe we just need to start over with a uh newer agreement that clearly stipulates that that it' be a much smaller collection that the city would hold uh or and uh that uh we cannot continue to maintain the current collection in its entirety.

Yeah, I I think the the key points are we are not in um compliance with the agreement that was adopted in the late 1990s. We haven't been for many years. We're not going to be in a position to preserve and maintain the vast majority of that collection in perpetuity. We are aware that there are other entities in our region and throughout North America who uh potentially could and have shown some desire to acquire portions of the collection and our long-term goal should be to disperse those to entities that can preserve them, promote them, and allow the public to to view them.

Okay. If there are no questions on that, um we will proceed to the second public comment period. Oh, I'm sorry. Well, we while we're still on discussion, just two other things I'd like to bring up because it was mentioned at our last meeting and then it was casually mentioned tonight. Um, we we need to set dates for a council retreat. Um, we're making statements per council policy, things like that. We have council members that have never seen those documents that we're referring to. um and whether those are, you know, still documents that should be used, whether they need to be revisited, revived, whatever the case may be. But we had that council retreat several months ago and we've not done the follow-up. So, I I really want that prioritized. I also would like to understand where we are with metric marketing. Um that survey was done several months ago now. Has the data been received? And I do see that the city is still continuing to pay them and understanding what we've gotten as deliverables.

I think we're we had a conversation about that maybe not last week but the week before and I think I'd like to tenatively slate be slated for an update on the metric marketing communication plan for our first meeting in May. Okay. Okay. Um if there's nothing further we do uh we are now at the second public comment period under the open meetings act. Any person may come forward at this time make comment to city council. This public comment period is limited to three minutes per person. Those wishing to speak are requested, but of course not required to state their name and address for the record. We generally do not engage in a back and forth during this public comment period. Are there any citizen comments this evening? Let me defer to the city clerk. Were there any written comments provided in advance of tonight's meeting in which the individual wanted the remark right at this time? Easy enough. Then if there's nothing further to be brought before city council this evening, the chair would be delighted to entertain a motion to adjourn at 8:26.

So motion. Oh boy. I'm going to do GearB as the mover and Dylan as the second. All those in favor of adjourning say I. I. Post say nay. Eyes have it. Our meeting is adjourned. Thank you all. See you in two weeks.