Town Council - Regular Meeting

that tonight's meeting will be broadcast live and can be watched after the meeting uh at the YouTube page. Uh tonight's invitation will be given by Richard Lemons, our grants and contracts officer. Uh followed by the pledge of allegiance led by Sophia Vidal, a fifth grade student at Wrightson Ridge Elementary School. Richard,

good evening. As we gather tonight for the town council meeting, let us please reflect on our shared commitment to the town of Sarita. We are grateful for the beauty of our desert landscape, the strength of our community, and the opportunity to serve our fellow residents. May our mayor and council approach the items on tonight's agenda with open minds, heavy focus on the common good, and the spirit of collaboration. Let their decisions be guided by wisdom, integrity, and dedication of a bright future for all who call this town home. Thank you. He's lowering that for you, Sophia.

Is that too high? All right, come on over. She can. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Thank you. Um, Madame Clerk, may I have a role? Council member Gillespie here. Council member Lisk here. Council member Lidle here.

Council member Morales here. Council member Piolo absent. Vice Mayor Eggger here. Mayor Murphy here. Quorum present.

Okay. Thank you. Uh tonight we have two presentations. First, I'll present a proclamation declaring May 2026 as building safety month to Andrew Parkin, interim building safety manager. Following that, I'll present a second proclamation recognizing National Public Works Week to Nalo Nalavali, our public works director, and Daniel Logan, public works deputy director. So, at this time with Andrew Laniel and Nal, join me at the podium. Most people like that. I'll let you say a few words afterwards and we can introduce everybody.

Oh, yes. Okay. Uh whereas the town of Sarita is committed to recognizing our growth and strength depend on the safety and essential roles of homes, buildings, and infrastructure play both in everyday life and when disasters strike. And whereas our confidence in the resilience of these buildings that make up our community is achieved through the devotion of building safety and the presentation officials, uh, prevention officials, uh, plan reviewers, permit technicians, building inspectors, design professionals, trades people, and others in the construction industry who work year round to ensure the safe construction of buildings. And whereas these individuals are dedicated members of the International Code Council, IOC, a nonprofit that brings together officials who are experts and the built environment to create and implement the highest quality codes and standards to protect us in the buildings where we live, learn, work, and play. And whereas these modern buildings, codes, and standards include safeguards to protect the public from hazards such as tornadoes, wildland fires, floods, and earthquakes. And whereas building safety month is sponsored by the international co- council to remind the public about the critical role our community's largely unknown protectors of public safety are code officials who assure us of safe sustainable and affordable buildings that are essential to our prosperity. And whereas built to last, the theme of building safety month 2026 encourages us all to get involved and raise awareness about building safety on a personal, local, and global scale. And whereas such each year the observance of building safety month, people all over the world are asked to consider the commitment to improve building safety, resilience, and economic investment at home and in the community and to

acknowledge the essential services provided to all of our our employees by local, state, tribal, territorial, and federal building safety and fire prevention departments and protecting lives and property. And now there be therefore be it resolved that I Tom Murphy the mayor of the town of Sarita on behalf of the town council do hereby proclaim the month of May 2026 is building safety month and testimony whereof I have here unto set my hand and cause to be affixed the seal of the town of Salita on this 11th day of May 2026. Congratulations all. Thank you. Thanks. Do you want to grab a picture first? Yes. Come on. Don't hide.

Marin council like to thank you for recognizing building safety month. Um I'd like to introduce three members of my team. We have Diana Hamburger is a senior permit tech plans examiner. uh Paulie Montan, that's a permit tech, and Andrew Cec, that's a permit tech uh slashbuilding inspector. And Andrew would like to say a few words. Mayor, council, and staff, we'd like to on behalf of Anna Cassidy, our director, Andrew Parkin, our building official, and all of our building safety department, we would like to thank you for taking the time to acknowledge May as our building safety month. Our department prides oursel providing a much faster, cheaper, and easier way to perform our permitting and inspection process each and every day. We do that by providing excellent customer service to our amazing community as we serve them daily and at the same time making sure we do it in a fast but safe way as safety is of course our priority. I would like to read this email I recently got from one of our superintendents in Quo Creek. Steve to whom I'm a concerned we are very appreciative of the town Saladita's inspectors always being very thorough and providing a very meticulous inspection ensuring that safety of all of our builders and our homeowners which are our customers are safe. That was from Steve Barcelo, one of the superintendents in Quo Creek. This is the most recent comment received and I think it is amazing that we tend to receive more positive than negative responses from our superintendent and customers. That alone is a true testament of our entire team. As we acknowledge this proclamation, we would like to say a big thank you to Mr. Mayor Tom Murphrey, our wonderful council, council assistant vice mayor, and of course our staff. And we'd also like to give a big shout out and thank you to Sanorita Fire Department, our partners for your continued support and backing

to help us move forward with our day-to-day project as well as our large scale projects move so smoothly. It is always so nice to know we can rely on your support and any needs we may have. Thank you again and have a wonderful night. Thank you. Thank you,

Nalo. Oh, Danny.

Whereas public works professionals focus on infrastructure, facilities, and services that are vital importance to sustainable and resilient communities and to the public health, quality of life, and well-being of the people of the town of Serita, Arizona. Whereas these vital services are delivered through the dedicated efforts of public works professionals including engineers, managers and employees in both government and the private sector who maintain and improve our transportation, water supply, water treatment and solid waste systems, public building systems and other structures and facilities essential to our citizens. And whereas public understanding of the importance of public works is crucial for the town of Salorita's well-being. And whereas the 2026 marks the 66th annual National Public Works Week sponsored by the American Public Works Association. And whereas we recognize the significant contributions of our public works professionals to protecting the health, safety, and quality of life. Now therefore, be it resolved that I, Tom Murphy, the mayor of the town of Salaro, on behalf of the town council, do hereby proclaim May 17th to the 23rd, as National Public Works Week, and testimony whereof, I have here unto set my hand and cause to be affixed the seal of the town of Serorita on this 11th day of May, 2026. Congratulations, picture. One, two, three. Thank you.

No, no. Appreciate it. And that's just a little bit of our staff who work hard every day. We just have different particular months, but that's just an indication of how hard our staff works all the time. So, we appreciate that. Uh, next is call to the public. The call to the public is now open. Individuals may speak for three minutes. Spokespersons may speak for 10. Please note that the advocacy for candidates or ballot measures is prohibited by law. The council cannot discuss matters not on the agenda. However, at the end of the count call to the public, council members may respond to criticism, request staff to review the issue or add the topic to a future agenda. And I have a few tonight. And we'll begin with Melway. And I think a lot of the folks have spoken before, but there's three lights on the podium. Uh, green starts, the yellow means you have a minute left, and then when the red comes, you get parachute out of here through the hole in the ceiling. Yes, sir.

The circle opens up. You're gone. That was

Mayor Council and all the other associates here from Sorita. Thanks for the opportunity. I'd like to start off by thanking you for reducing the heavy truck traffic in our community by selecting one trash and recycling supplier. Two trucks, one day a week is very much appreciated. Thank you. Now for the other points. Each of the three western states of the total seven states that source water from the Colorado River have agreed to reduce their intake of water from the river. Arizona has agreed to reduce the state's intake by 760,000 acre feet per year. This equates to 247 bill746,760,000 gallons of water per year less that we will have available via the cap and the Colorado River. Part of Hudbay's mineral Hudbay Minerals proposal to replenish 105% of the water drawn from our local aquifer is based on water sourced from the central Arizona project cap which is supplied by the Colorado River. Therefore, any anticipated water sourced by Hudbay will be reduced substantially, possibly to zero. Hudbay has reservoirs in Morirana for storage of water from the cap. To move this water from Morirana reservoirs to the proposed mine sites, Hudbay has promised to construct a pipeline titled project renews that will require right away through our community unless Hudbay can provide written guarantees supported by monetary penalties to replenish 105% of the water drawn from our aquifer. Sarita must refuse to grant the rightway for the pipeline. HUD has been advertising in some local media, billboards, newspapers, and others. And I believe the wording of these advertisements is misleading. And it is important that residents and officials of our communities are aware of these inintentional deceptions which include they advertise that a processing

plant on site will produce finished copper eliminating the need to ship copper concentrate overseas for refining. When if ever will this plant be built? I have been told by Jerry Bente, PR director of Copper World, who I met at our clubhouse, that this project would be four to five years in the future at the earliest. This means that trucks carrying copper concentrate concentrate need to take it somewhere using our roads and traveling past our schools and businesses. They advertise that copper plays a critical role in our military. I'm wondering whose military it is because Mitsubishi is willing to invest 600 million for a guarantee of 30% of that copper produced by the mines. Re recently, this Tucson City Council unanimously voted against the mine project in the Sanorita Mountains. Our Serita Town Council must also vote against the mine project, especially since our communities are closer to the proposed mine sites. We'll have less water to share and will experience increased heavy truck traffic near our schools. We your constitu joints are not for this project.

Thank you. Appreciate it. M uh Bonita Linder and then next will be Beverly Lake. Good evening, uh, town council, mayor, friends, neighbors. Um, we stand here today in the shadow of the Sanorita Mountains, not just as residents of a beautiful desert, but as a community facing a choice. We are told that Copper World Project is progress. We are told it is domestic necessity. But as the dust begins to rise over these ridges, we have to ask ourselves, at what cost does this copper come? The CDC and the National Institute for Safety and Health have made it clear exposure exposure to diesel fumes for 5 years or more significantly increases the risk of lung cancer. Think about the scale of what HUD is proposing. Thousands of heavy trucks every year, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. These trucks will be idling and hauling right next to where our children go to school and where our residents breathe. But it's not just the fumes. When you blast and crush sulfite ore, you aren't just moving rock. You are unlocking a chemical cocktail that has been buried for millions of years. you are releasing arsenic, lead, mercury, and nickel into the very air we breathe. But um sulfide mining releases heavy metals that act as neurotoxins. It creates airborne particles that don't just stay on the mine site, they travel on our winds, settle in our soil, and contribute to serious chronic illness.

In closing of we the residents of Sarita and neighboring towns deserve a future where economic growth doesn't come at the expense of our biological health. We deserve a Santaorita range that remains a sanctuary not an industrial sacrifice Jo zone. It's time to put our health above their harvest. It's time to say that our air, our water, our land, and our lives are not for sale. Tomorrow morning, you should all be getting a stack of uh postcards that are written by people who aren't here with us tonight. And uh it is a very large stack uh with all the people who are opposed to this mine. So, thank you.

Thanks for being here.

Beverly Lake and then Tracy Silda. I will try not to take up too much of your time. Um, many of the things that are going to be said today and that have been said are concerns of mine also. Um, I, you know, there's so many questions I have and I I I know that I I am also concerned about if I get answers whether or not those answers are the correct answers. I don't feel that we've um had transparency in a lot of the um uh dealings with with HUD. All right. You know, I mean, there are things like uh the number of actual jobs that will stay here. I mean, they have lots of big numbers. And, you know, I think we really ought to consider reviewing the bidding process for a sale of public lands, state lands. And um please please please we need a public hearing now ASAP so everyone can say what they need to say. Thank you.

THANK YOU Tracy and then uh Peter Gyos.

Hi good evening. My name is Tracy Silta. I live in Sonora Rancho Sahara and I love living there. Um, I want to thank all of you for your service. I know how difficult it is to be on a board like this and it is very much appreciated. I am here to oppose the Copper World mine. Um, I'm here to speak for Sophia, the little girl who um was so precious and came up and and led our our pledge tonight, and many other children and families just like hers. I'd like to know how Hood Bay is going to replace our water by 105%. I'd like to know exactly how they're going to do that. We are responsible for maintaining our roads. these trucks are going to be on our roads. We are paying to maintain those roads. That doesn't settle very well with me. Um I've been told that mining has been here forever. They're going to do whatever they want to do. We're on our way out. We're old people. There's nothing we can do about it. Well, I'm not here for those people. I'm here for the Sophas. Um, I'm not against mining, but I happen to be against this mine right now. Times have changed. We are low on water. Our world is changing. We need to change our attitudes as well. And I think we need to examine all of these kinds of decisions with a fine tooth comb because it is

going to affect our children and our future and I really appreciate you listening to me. Thank you. Thank you.

Uh Peter and then Christine Gayos I'm assuming maybe related. Yeah. Yes sir.

Thank you very much ladies and gentlemen uh for this opportunity. Um the decision regarding this proposed mine will forever change the face of this community. Some things however uh are still unknown of course but there are two certainties that we can be assured of right now. One is that the executives of Hunbay are living nowhere near a mine of any kind. And secondarily, had copper been discovered, frankly, in the Catalinas or in Scottsdale, no one would dare suggest tearing up the land for a mine. So, there's a difference. There is a difference. But the industry considers communities like Sarita or Patagonia or other smaller communities. They either too small to put up major resistance or they're not going to put up the resources or have the political clout to confront entities like Hudbby. They count on this. They presume any job enticements will override everything else in these communities. They count on the assumption that we'll give up everything, literally everything. The health of our children, the very mountains that have been an inherent part of our an inherent part of countless generations before us. The very lifegiving water that sustains our community now and for any future we may have. All for what? 400 odd jobs that have been promised. Once depleted, whether 30 or 50 years, what we've lost can never be restored ever. It's gone. The very existence of this mine will destroy whatever future you, ladies and gentlemen, envision for this community. Do we really think that families will continue to want to live and raise their children where the pollution and environmental destruction is right outside their front door every single day for the next number of decades?

A few years ago, this community made an important decision to not allow an asphalt plant. But we are now on the cusp of something a thousand times worse. Will we really destroy our mountains in future so profits can go back to Canada? The beneficiaries of all of this, whether Hudbay, Tesla, China, or Japan could care less about the destruction of small communities or where copper comes from. Surely, we can do better than this. Instead, work to bring in industries and jobs that respect our environment and the health of our community. Copper is available in many parts of the world, places where people desperately take whatever is offered by the mining companies. but not here. How much louder does this community and do we have to yell to make it clear that HUD is not and will never be wanted or never be welcomed here?

Thank you very much,

Christine. And then John Dhy. While Christine comes up, I just want to first of all say thank you for your politeness and it's a credit to your generation that has wonderful opportunity like manners without attack. So, thank you. It's been enjoyable hearing from all of you today. Good evening, council members and those in attendance. I'm here because I'm strongly opposing Hudbay's copper world's destruction of our Santaorita mountains. Studies site that 100% of US copper sulfide mines have experienced accidental releases or spills. Reports also show that in many cases, water pollution was significantly worse than forecasted and wastewater treatment failed to prevent environmental damage. The fact that they have agreed to reimburse the town for any damages doesn't negate the potential long-term risk to adjacent community residents such as myself. We have all heard the statistics and how copper world is posed to become a major mining complex in Arizona covering approximately 45,000 acres on private land in its initial phase with potential for expansion. The copper world project is set to employ conventional open pit mining methods of utilizing a truck and shovel fleet which will be running continuously. The mining fleet will compose a range of equipment including hydraulic shovels, front end loaders, 250h hall trucks, blast hole drills, track dozers, wheeldozers, series motor graders. The trucks will carry a copper concentrate chemicals and explosives through the area. The primary access route identified for heavy truck heavy truck traffic leading to the west slope of the saw Rita will be roughly 7.7 mile stretch of unpaid San Rita road.

Estimates suggest a potential for 100 to 200 daily diesel truck trips operating 247. Why should we accept this in what is essentially our backyards? To those who say it's not that bad, keep in mind they haven't even started the actual mining yet, which is anticipated to start around 2029. When that happens, the mind is expected to generate significant and constant noise and light pollution, affecting all of those who live nearby, including Sarita and Quo Creek. We are now seeing the what we are seeing now is a final feasibility study. though that this is nothing compared to what we will see in here once the mining actually starts. There is absolutely no doubt mining is considered the most toxic industry in America. It doesn't just produce copper. It releases mercury, lead, and arsenic into the air and water. Once you turn our mountain range into a 1 and a half mile wide toxic pit, you can't just fix it when the mine closes. Instead of breaking ground on rescue mines, we should prioritize urban mining, recycling the massive amount of copper already in e-waste and landfills. I am asking the council to do the right thing and stop the this deservation this devastation from happening to our mountains and communities. We thank you as well as future generations.

Thank you. John Doherty and then Diane Chipton. Uh, good evening, Mayor Murphy, members of the town council. My name is John Doherty. I'm executive director of Save the Scenic Sanoritas, an environmental group opposed to Hudbay's Copper World project. In 2013, the town issued a license to HUD bay granting it a rightaway along the Sanorita Road to install its primary water pipeline to operate the mine. The license requires Hubay to replenish 105% of the groundwater it pumps for the mine with central Arizona project water within a defined replenishment area that encompass greater Sita on April 16. Uh, the license also requires HUD Bay to submit annual reports on how much water it pumps from two well fields and how much cap water is recharged. On April 16th, SSSR notified the town manager and each of you, but Hub failed to disclose to the town that it operated five production wells in 2025, withdrawing 10 million gallons of groundwater. More than Hub submit reports showing how much groundwater was charged with cap water because they can't. There's no way for them to do it. SSR notified the town that Hud Bay appears to be in violation of state groundwater reporting laws and they still are. They haven't repi filed the required pump reports with the state department of water resources in violation of the statute. SSSR requested the town to conduct an investigation and refused to issue any permits allowing HUD to install the water pipeline. We've received no formal response from the town. However, on April 24th, Mayor Murphy issued a lengthy statement praising and endorsing Hud Bay and Copper Wald and a full page advertisement in the Arizona Capital Times. Here it is. We got copies of it

out front if you haven't seen it. And part of the ad, Mayor Murphy says, "Throughout this process, the Copper World leadership has taken meaningful steps to listen to the community concerns, share information openly, and incorporate feedback where appropriate. We strongly disagree with that statement. In addition, this photograph is not just of Mayor Murphy. It's a Serena Town Hall, right? It's a town hall. It's not Mayor Murphy. This implies the council's formally supporting Hudbay and Copper World. I have found no record of Sadita passing a formal resolution supporting Copper World. We now know the mayor's position. It's very loud and clear. As for the rest of the council, did the mayor share this ad with you? Did you see this ad before it was published in the Arizona Capital Times? Did you approve it? Did you endorse it? And do more importantly, do you support what it states here? We look forward to hearing your answers to these questions because we think it's really very important. If the mayor says he wants to endorse it, he can do that. But to put the city hall on that photograph that's paid for by Hud Bay Minerals, we want to know. And I think your constituents would like to know if all the rest of you saw the ad and support it. Thank you very much. THANK YOU. DIANE CLIPTON AND THEN Alan Jennings.

Good evening you guys. I was all prepared to have a nice print out for you guys and handouts and everything from all the um research I've done with the power this city has in control of what the pipeline to the to the mine means that you can shut this down. They broke their contract. They broke their contract. They're taking water. They're not replacing the water. You can just shut it down. No problem. And the state allows you to do that. Also, um the trucks, hub A and Copper World, they do not own the trucks. These trucks are being um hired from different companies that may or may not follow good rules. their drivers may or may not be um trained correctly. And if anything goes wrong with those trucks, Copper World and HUD Bay have no responsibility to it. If if they want to dump a whole truckload or not want, but if they end up dumping a whole truckload of hazardous um liquids like sulfuric acid by the school, the cleanup, they don't have to do it. We have to do it. That's by our kids. And that that you guys can also stop stop by having the police stop their trucks. make sure they're following their plaque that if their placarded ve vehicles are correctly placarded and and contained and if their drivers are actually uh able to drive the truck if they have a legal license or even if they're legal

people and the city can do that and you you know um I lived in a town Denver, Colorado where one of these companies put a young man. He was 23 years old. They gave him two weeks of training from Texas to drive through Colorado mountains. Well, they didn't teach him how to drive through the mountains, his equipment broke, his brakes broke, and he was out of control coming out of the mountains into Denver. I was 3 minutes behind the accident and he and I7 was already stopped by accident. He creamed into a a whole bunch of cars. 15 cars burnt up because of his fire. Five people died. We don't even know how many people were badly burned. That people were jumping out of the cars, pulling people out of the cars. Well, the company that owned that truck had no responsibility. the 23-year-old got to carry the whole blame. And you know, that was unfortunate. He has to live with that. And that could happen to this town on these narrow roads with, you know, and um thank you. We got the point. Appreciate it. Alan Jennings, Alan Jennings, Serita resident. And to Vice Mayor's Eggbert's point, I'm not of that generation. I'm not interested in being polite, as you have shown time after time, being spineless. You may call it attacking, but just holding people accountable. You have chosen not to. And so, this is one of those times that as you get up there with your full page article talking about how good that we've got this community input, this is past the time for input. This is a time for action and for accountability. And while this is going on, not just

with the copper world mining, but we have the council explicitly zoning for data centers. So now we're talking about the water use for the mines and you're going and putting us out there into that front as well. It's not that long ago that you voted explicitly to ban some medical processing facilities. So once again, you turn to the lawyer and ask him, "Is there tell us there's nothing that we can do and he'll tell you there's nothing that you can do when you've taken actions before for stopping businesses from coming to our town. I'm looking forward to this summer. We have our primaries. Since you have chosen time after time again, mayor and vice mayor, not to show any accountability, not to hold people to what their jobs are, this is our time as voters where we get to hold you and vote you out of office. Good luck with the judiciary, whatever that means for you.

THANKS, Mary Alice Okconor. Good evening.

Hi, mayor and members of the council. I moved here a year ago from Wisconsin. And this reminds me a little bit, I don't know if any of you heard of Foxcon. It was hailed by President Trump that it was going to be the eighth wonder of the world in southeast Wisconsin. It was a Taiwanese company that the state of Wisconsin taxpayers gave over a billion dollars in exchange for what was going to be this huge economic development, highpaying jobs, 13,000 jobs. In fact, the issue wasn't water so much because we have Lake Michigan and a whole bunch of lakes. But it ended up being heavily subsidized. They ended up through a lot of eminent domain, generations of farmers who had been there had to sell their land at a much greatly reduced price and it ended up they never really built anything and the the this huge project was deemed a huge failure. So, it's one thing to talk about all the jobs that the mining is going to bring, but you've heard from a number of speakers tonight that you do need to take a look at the whole enchilada here and the economic impact to the area. And there's health concerns. People have been talking about the trucks, but I think the biggest thing is water. Without water, we will all be dead in a hundred years when there's no water left in the aquifer. And so you as stewards of this wonderful community really have a responsibility here, I hope to make sure that there's transparency moving forward. And if they can't meet the agreement, have the public hearing and make it transparent so that there's an informed decision that you're making instead of a whole lot of angry people out here who feel like there's things that haven't really been disclosed. So, I'm pretty new to the area and it's beautiful and it always bothers me when outofstate and outofcountry companies want to come in, make their money and leave. And that's

exactly what was going to happen with Foxcon after the promise of 13,000 high-paying jobs. There were under a thousand and then they left. So, I would just urge caution and ask for that public hearing. Thanks. Thank you. Jerry Bammani.

Good evening, Mr. Mayor, uh members of the council. Jerry Bamante. I am uh with Hud Bay representing Copper World and um I have listened uh intently to the comments made here tonight and and and just know I I I really appreciate uh people being here and expressing their comments. I I really do. Uh we've been on a listening tour since uh we first uh rolled out this project and that listening tour um is is going to continue. We we sincerely do appreciate people's comments. uh we do appreciate hearing from them. Uh you know and and we respect those opinions. um you know we we feel that at the same time though I do feel that it is vital for the record and for the clarity of this council to respond to some of the comments uh that have been presented today and and I'm not here to debate any of them by the way certainly not to do that but there's been a number of things that have been shared here tonight uh with respect to us uh comments such as we can do whatever we want uh that all profits go to Canada. Uh, our footprint being 45,000 acres and it's it's a it's a tenth of that and comments such as the town having the authority to uh shut down the uh the project. Uh, some of these comments are speculative and and and quite simply just just inaccurate. So, please know Copper World, we're not developing this project in a vacuum and we're we're not going to operate this project in a vacuum either. We are we are bound by by rigorous state and federal standards. And our plans are backed by science-based studies, engineering protocols, and best practices to ensure the health and safety of our community.

Now, we remain fully committed to continue to listen to all of our stakeholders and to understand their concerns, their interests. Um, and and we have always had a constructive relationship with the town of Sawarita, which we greatly value, by the way, and and that will continue. So, I just want to leave the council with one assurance. Our door will always be open and we are always available to you and town staff to ensure that you have accurate and timely information. Again, I want to thank once again the uh the members of the audience that have come here and we we're hearing you. We hear you and we appreciate that. So, thank you for the time and the opportunity to address these comments. Thank you.

Uh that'll be all. Uh I have no more. How are you going to do? Yeah, it's not a it's not a debate. Thank you. Um we'll close the call to the public and move on to council town manager brief summary of events. Council member Lidle. Nothing here. Nothing. Debbie Kim. Yes. No. No. I do. Not yet. Yeah. I want to No, I do. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's all right. I um want to thank You might just have to speak up a little bit. No, just stop a little bit because people are

um I wanted to thank Parks and Wreck for the fiesta. They did an awesome job. I know it takes a lot of work to put that on. So, thank you. I also want to just thank Liz for her efforts and putting the um cleanup sorita day that were turned out really nice. I believe there about a hundred people that showed up for that. Um so that was really good and she had us all over the town. Um so that was really great. I also wanted to comment on Washington DC. Um, Council Member Morales, myself, the mayor, and um, our Luke and um, Shane were able to go to DC and meet with our representatives. It was a great opportunity to meet with them one- on- one. So, I really appreciate that opportunity. Um, I've been continually having um, coffee with council. Um, we had it a couple weeks ago with um, um, council member um, Pearlai and we had about 35 people. So, it keeps growing. So, it makes me feel really good. So anyways, just wanted to say thank Oh, and I do want to also thank the chamber for the annual meeting and recognizing our band.

I really wish them the best and I know it's going to be a great opportunity for them and they were awesome because I got to hear a little bit from them. So you took all of my talking points. No, that's okay. That's why I go last. I I'll touch on that actually. Um on that Dr. Gillespie, no. Vice Mayor, I have two things. One, uh day late. Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers, grandmothers, and those that want to be mothers. Another one gone from me. So, okay,

I took another one from you and then I'm going to take another one from you. Are you ready? Um, and congrats to all of the students that the high school students that'll be graduating next next week. It's been nice to have such amazing youth in our community and they are being taught by amazing teachers and raised by amazing amazing parents. So, congratulations to all of them.

Absolutely. Um, again, Fiesta great. Um, I did I also attend the annual uh Sar Green Valley Chamber uh dinner. Um, and I did appreciate Randy having the marching band there. Uh, the update is all of the students, they reached $189,000. So, all the students have been covered, can go. Now, it's the extra incidentals, how many meals, um, you know, extra side maybe trips and things. they have to get the um the instruments there. So, I think there's a couple parents, one with a CDL license that will be driving. Um so, it's those kinds of reimbursements. They're um so they're they're trying to get to the 200,000. Um now,

189. Well, that was just a few days ago, so they might even be over that. Um and thanks to everybody um especially on the tax credits. I did both of mine last year and this year. Um now that I have no kids in school, that was a good place for it to go. And um yeah, again, thanks to Liz. cuz I heard there was over 100 volunteers. I was out of state at a funeral, but um it was great to see the pictures. And then also congratulations to uh Sergeant uh Amanda Seabolt. Um she was the honore at the Sons of the American Revolution uh annual awards dinner where they pick every municipality, UOVA, um all of the um entities that have police pick one person. Border Patrol, customs. It was just amazing all the uh attributes and and Amanda was ours. So I was yeah happy to be there on behalf of uh the town. Um oh also um thanks for a nice a good budget retreat Shane and staff. I know a lot of work goes into that um and uh a lot of effort. I know we're going to touch on one of the items at the end um for our capital improvement projects. Um but I um I've always appreciated uh under your leadership that we've expanded the amount of study and input that comes from our council. So I really appreciate that. U and again thanks uh congrats to the students. I do get to go to their awards ceremony. Uh each year uh yes and then for the first time the digital pathways academy is having their own graduation ceremony instead of being combined with Walden and SHS. So it'll be a celebratory week next week. Uh last meeting I forgot Mr. Dilly. Um I am not going to forget Mr. Dilly. Uh this this meeting um if you have anything to report uh please go ahead. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. Um first my list is to uh recognize our very own Doris Mensah. Uh who will is

she here tonight? There she is. She'll be uh participating in a in an item further down on your agenda tonight. But I wanted to um shout out put a shout out for her. Um she um is recent she's she's going to be completing her internship with us this week. So this is the Wednesday Doris. Okay. So Wednesday. So if you haven't had a chance to see her and thank her for her efforts. Um make sure you you you do that if you have the opportunity to.

She hangs out in my office. I I'll get my office back maybe. But if you want to go to thank her, it's in my office that you go to. Um she is also um obviously with the inter internship ending, she's also graduating um with her masters of public administration from uh the UVA. Um but on top of all of that, which is um uh which is amazing in and of itself, she also just recently received um she was recently awarded the 2026 Rambach Outstanding Student Award from the uh School of Government and Public Policy. That's a

So I wanted to I wanted to do a shout out for her. We've been uh very uh blessed to have her in the town manager's office helping us with a number of different projects. Uh her um contribution has u lifted us and helped us in many different ways. So, thank you uh Dora. She is her her next venture career move is with the um she got a full-time job um with the city of Kasa Grand in the town manager's office, city manager's office. So, um, we're excited for her and, uh, she's going to be doing, uh, a Luke Smith of sorts, right? Right. Isn't that right, Luke? So, um, very, very excited for her.

Um, wanted to let you know that the new intersection there at Salita Boulevard and El Toro will be energized this week. Ah um with that so it'll be in flashing mode for 48 hours and that's to get the traveling public used to stopping at that intersection because that hasn't been the case for years and years, right? So um so

uh they'll get used to stopping, it'll be flashing red and then after 48 hour period it'll go to reg regular uh signal cycling. So, um, we're we're grateful that that's right around the corner for us. This is going to be a good week. Um, economic development, we'll be traveling to Las Vegas next week for the ICSC. It's a big retail uh hub for for anybody who's anybody in in the retail industry. Um, I know that our team will be meeting with um um I have it here.

Simon Sier, I should anyway. uh just connecting and making sure things are still tracking well. Uh Born Companies, Panera Bread, IHG Hotels. So, um they're going to they're going to they'll it's a quick trip. Um they'll be there for one night, two days, and we'll make the most of it. So, we're excited to have them represent Saurita and uh making sure that our name is on the radar for these industries that we'd like to have come into our our community. Um the uh Sunset Market, recent Sunset Market last Friday was a a great success. Um staff, although we're still working on the estimate in terms of attendance, um are saying that it's the largest turnout in the event's history.

Uh so that's all great. Um and then let's see here. I'll just read this one. On Friday, in partnership with the Santaita, the Santa Cruz Valley Historical Society at SUSD, we successfully opened our second historical marker highlighting Porter Wilson. You remember who Porter Wilson was? Yeah. The inventor of the flag football. Flag football.

So, that's great. The historical society is making its pitch to have Sawita recognized as the birthplace of flag football ahead of the 2028 Olympic Games in LA. So, we'll see how that how how that goes, but we're certainly encouraging them and and uh and supporting them any way that we can. Um, next our weekly uh run club, the Havalina joggers. Uh they'll meet at the Lavalita Community Center 6 p.m. on Monday for a three-mile run around the neighborhood. So, just put that on your radar. I'm not going to be there. I'm not going to be there. has to do with running,

but I certainly I certainly um admire those people who really get out there and like to to run those distances. Uh 3 miles didn't seem like a lot, but to me it would be.

Um so grateful for that. And then I wanted to let you know we we've made appropriate kudos to our volunteer team um our community volunteers and trying to help keep Sawita clean and beautiful. Um that was a great turnout. um our staff will be supporting that effort this Thursday with our own um get out and clean our community type um exercise. So in the morning we'll be out and having a friendly competition between departments who can pick up the most trash and uh so it'll be fun. Um that's it, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. I appreciate it. I did forget um also Rancho Serita had the 5K 1K uh fundraiser for Banner Children's Hospital. Um made me think of it when I walked 1K. So, just to be clear, um, on there, but, um, just, you know, event after event, I could hear, uh, the music playing from the Sunset Market. Um, and I was on the radio a few days before that, uh, promoting it with, uh, Park and Wreck. So, maybe that had something to do with it. I hope. Um, and just as a reminder, um, our next meeting is not a Monday, but it's a Tuesday, May 26th, because of a Memorial Day. So, just make a note of that. Uh, Tuesday, May 26th. Uh

yeah. Yeah. Don't come here. Don't come Monday. Well, you can if you want to, but you'll be lonely. Uh if you're here. Um and next is item number eight. Madame clerk. 2026 legislative session updates. Uh thank you. Uh Luke Smith, who's been introduced already, our management analyst, will be presenting that item. Good evening, Luke. Thank you, Mayor Murphy Council. I don't think you're Yeah, mic's on.

Thank you, Mayor Murphan Council. Uh I believe we also have Karen Cruz online uh to add comments as we go through this. Uh the current uh status of this 26 second regular session started on January 12th. We are now at 120 days. So 20 days over the 100 day limit. Uh 1,998 bills were introduced. 125 of those bills have made it to the governor. And once there, they have about a 50/50 chance of surviving. Uh measures signed 64 and she's vetoed 61 of those measures. Currently, the House is adjourned until June 1st and the Senate is adjourned till May 18th. And for this election cycle, all 90 legislative seats are up for reelection. Now, because I know the council loves movie references, I have here the governor's wonder moratorum. There is a current moratorum on bills uh due to budget negotiations and because of this moratorum it's hard to know if bills have just been parked um and not moving forward for this reason or if they've just lost momentum and support altogether. So I have presented these bills to council before. I'll give a brief review and then pause for any questions um if uh you have them. HR 2016 is a striker. So, it was formerly HCR 2052. It did not have support. Did not make it through the House. Uh, but it introduces a 4-year tax and fee moratorium on increase on on on increases. Uh, it hampers our ability to respond to to inflationary pressures and the irony is also, you know, hampers our ability to respond to state fees as they continue to increase theirs. Uh HB299 allows developers to form an IFD or an infrastructure finance district. Essentially setting up developers as a

separate taxing entity. It could it get get confusing. They can allow them to build infrastructure that may not match with our master plan. And there's other implications as well along with that. Um SP 1431 prohibits design standards pretty much anything aesthetic, you know, facades, paint, uh roof, uh design on single family homes and ADUs, which could threaten, you know, just the character of our communities. STR 10004 and HCR 2004 prohibit photo enforcement systems unless voters uh are is voter approved. HB 2265 prohibits certain court fees from uh for being assessed uh in relation to appointing public defenders. And one of the concerns about this is the ambiguity. It's not clear if this affects just county level courts or if it reaches municipal municipal courts as well. So, if passed, it could affect us either directly prohibiting certain fees or indirectly because the county might increase the fees they're charging us to cover uh what they can't charge. SP 1071, Repill of Arizona Rangers, is a nonprofit entity. This bill hasn't moved since March 2025, but it's still out there. March 25 2025 predates the current moratorum. So, we're hoping that just the support um has died out for this bill. Uh those are the bills that we're currently watching right now. I'll pause here if the council has any questions.

Yeah, just to clarify, the vice mayor had a question on the um prohibiting the um SB1 1431 prohibiting design standards requirements. That's really on the town doing it. It doesn't prevent the developer or the CCNRs or HOAs to have development standards, does it? No. As far as I um understand, it's just the town on certain single family units and ADUs. It's to lessen to lessen our influence on our standards. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Um our community development director is also concerned because it has some like restrictions on shared amenities and HOA shared amenities which could impact the creation of parks and other green spaces um as well. Was that the only question? Thank you. Any other questions

for No. All right. Uh so because there is no current end in sight for this current uh session, I thought I'd take this moment here to just kind of celebrate or review some of the things we have accomplished uh this year. Uh during the 2026 Arizona legis legislative session, the town actively engaged and coordinated advocacy efforts to protect local authority and advance community interests. We oppose key legislation such as HB2290 that would have taken our online sales tax and given it to the town or city with warehouses. We opposed SP 20241 that would have allowed developers to use private permitting. We opposed SP1 1787 which uh confused the appeal process for exactions or fees that the town would assess and would possibly open us up to frivolous litigation because it reduced the risk for developers to to appeal that. And then we also opposed HP 4030 and HCR 2052 which is the 4-year tax moratorum which has come back as HR 2016. on that. The prevailing sentiment is it does not have the support to continue, but there are worries that towards the end of the session it might get a final push just so representatives can show that they fought for lower taxes um uh before re-election. We maintain direct engagement with state legislators. Council member Polo serving as a town's legislative ambassador held multiple meetings with legislators to communicate the town's positions and Mayor Murphy conducted targeted outreach on priority legislation. We leverage coordinate ad advocacy partnerships. We collaborate with Arizona League of Towns and Cities, contract lobbyist Karen Cruz, regional stakeholders to name a few, Morirana, Oral Valley, City of Tucson, Phoenix Zoo, and Puma County. And we ensure consistent messaging and representation of Serita's interests throughout this legislative session. Then there was our de delegation that visited Washington DC this past April. Mayor Murphy, Council Members Deborah Morales, Kim Lisk, town manager Shane Dilly, and myself to present the town's

federal funding requests. Of the three projects we submitted, two so far have been selected to move forward in the appropriations process and will hope hopefully make it into the final budget. These two projects are the police department emergency power backup, which was selected by Representative Gihalda for $1 million, Representative Sisamani for $2 million, and Senator Ggo for also $2 million. The unique situation here is because they're all requesting from different buckets. It is conceivable that we could receive all of those requests. Um, and I actually conceivable. Serena wastewater facilities was also u selected by Senator Ggo for $3.6 million and it is likely that Senator Kelly will also select this project to move forward. While in DC, our town delegation also met with the Army Corps of Engineers regarding the remediation of land east of the town. In this meeting, Siri was Salorita was recognized as a model for effective municipal engagement at the federal level. Overall, our efforts this year have strengthened SR's presence at the state capital and reinforced the town's commitment to proactive strategic legisl legislative advocacy on behalf of its residents. And lastly, I'll say we are very fond of Doris because I also stuck a little like congratulations in there for the Romach student of the year award. Uh, and lastly, I'll go to my last slide here and uh ask if Karen, are you online? Can we hear her?

Karen, can you hear us? Are you online? Maybe not. I'll do my best. Okay.

I know she was texting me. She She was listening, but we'll see. Um, so right now, uh, the Arizona Department of Administration is likely or, you know, talking about 35% cuts to state 911 reimbursements, which, uh, I believe the town of Sarita contracts with Puma County Sheriff for these services. Um, this could affect the fees that we are charged, uh, if this is likely to stick. And it is part of the budget talks. Uh, budget talks. Uh, again, we have the bill moratorum that's been in place since 413. And uh the governor essentially said she will veto any bills sent until negotiation if it were made in good faith in regards to the budget. Uh she vetoed the first budget and cited that it didn't do enough for affordability. There were tax cuts for the wealthy. Tax cuts to or cuts to public safety and education is the reason she vetoed that first bill. And lastly, uh the utility wildfire mitigation plans. This is something where the utilities are submitting plans to limit uh their liability if a fire is started by one of their uh you know part of their infrastructure. The town of Serita and the Sanorita fire district both submitted uh comment our comments that we did not agree with these plans and they did not do enough to protect our residents. Uh we've received confirmation that our comments were received and being considered from the department of forestry management and that is all I have.

Thank you. I know council member Lisk was the one that presented on the wastewater. Does that mean we have to give her a pay raise uh for on there? Um no it was a good trip. So uh thanks for everybody's advocacy um on that. Any questions for Luke? We don't have any for Karen because I don't think she's on. Mr. Mayor, I mean, if you if you tally it up on our efforts to go to Washington DC over the last several years, if we get if we if we you hit a run this this year, I mean, that's I mean, millions. That's in in in four years, that's I think if my math serves me right, that's that's close to $10 million that we've brought in. So,

Yep. That's not bad. Not bad a return on investment I would say. I'm still hoping our third one will get selected too. But there you go. We'll see. Then Debbie gets a pay raise. Um I'm joking by the way for the public record. Um I like the print. That's right. Um next is item number nine, the consent agenda. I'll entertain a motion at this time. So moved. Second. All in favor signify by I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Um, item 10, madame clerk. Item 10 is possible action regarding the Roadhouse Cinemas liquor license application. Uh, thank you, Mr. Felix. Good evening.

How are you guys? Good.

Good evening, Mayor, members of the council. The item before you is a public hear and consideration of a recommendation to the Arizona Department of Liquor Licenses and Control regarding an application for a new series 12 restaurant liquor license for Roadhouse Cinemas located at 70 West Duvall Mine Road within the incorporated limits of the town. The applicant Kevin Kramer on behalf of Roadhouse Green Valley LLC is requesting approval of a new license. As you guys are well aware, Roadhouse Cinemas is a well publicized project and the town is super excited to see this new business coming forward. This application represents an important first step towards the business opening stores in Sorita and becoming a part of the community. A series 12 restaurant liquor license intended for a bonafide restaurant when the primary business is the sale of food and the sale of spiritious liquor is incidental to food service. This license allows the sale of beer, wine, and distilled spirits for consumption on the licensed premises. In addition, the lency must derive at least 40% of its gross revenue from food sales. As part of the town's review process, the application was routed to the police department, public works, and community development. No objections were received from any of these departments. In addition, the town clerk's office has not received any written protests from the public. The required application fee has been paid and all submission requires have been met. I don't believe if Mr. Kramer is here today, I would have uh we did extend an invitation, Mr. Kramer. Um unfortunately, he's not here today. Uh based on this review, stack recommends that the town council forward a recommendation of approval to the Arizona Department of Liquor Licenses and Control. And I'm happy to answer any questions if you have any.

Thank you. I have any questions for Mark? If not, I'll entertain a motion at this time. I move to adopt ordinance number 2026-19. No, that's the um it's the one underneath that. Oh, I went out of turn. You got it. Mr. Mayor, yes. I move to submit the Arizona Department of Liquor License and Control recommendation of approval. I'll second. Have a motion, a second. Any other discussion? All those in favor signify by I. I. I. Any opposed? Thank you. Thank you. Sorry for stepping over.

Yeah. Yeah. I um I went out um 10 has an A and a B and we went to B. So, we'll go back to A. Uh, Madame Clerk, 10A. This is an ordinance with presentation, discussion, and possible adoption of a town code amendment to title 5. Mayor, if I may. You may continue.

The ordinance before you this evening proposes an amendment to chapter 5 of the Sodorita town code related to business license renewals. Specifically, the ordinance changes the annual due date for business licenses from July 1st to January 31st of each year. The ordinance also authorizes extending the current 2026 business license term so that licenses currently set to expire on July 1st, 2026 would instead expire on July 31st, 2027. This will create a single consistent renewal cycle moving forward. This is the first step we're taking to reimplement business license fees. Moving this date will allow us to instead of sending a business license renewal in June to sending a letter informing of the businesses of our intent to implement business license fees. If adopted, the ordinance would become effective 30 days after passage.

Do you have any questions? I'm happy to answer them. Uh do you have any questions for Lisa? If not, Council Member Lidle might want to take another stab at this one. Oh, uh, Debbie, do you have a question? I think you a microphone. The Is it on? Nope. The date that you announced was July 31st, 2027. Is that going to be January 31st? It would be July 1st. Pardon me. It's July 1st is the current date. It will be moved to January 31st to be sure. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Debbie. Council member Lidle, I'm sorry about that. That's okay. Um,

I move to adopt ordinance number 2026-198. Second. We have a motion, a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor signify by I. I. I. Any opposed? Nay. Nay. N. Okay. So, that's four to two. Um, next is we did 10B. Next is madame clerk 10 C discussion, presentation and possible action regarding the Tucson electric power Sanorita connection project. Thank you. And Doris, hello. Hi. Is this your last official presentation?

My last official presentation. It's a pleasure to do that one last time. So, thank you all for everything. Well, just remember when you go to Cassag Grand, everything you learned came from us. Exactly. Nothing. Nothing from the U of A. None of that. None of those professors.

Yeah. I'll do all to remember that. All right. So tonight's presentation is on the proposed TE Sanorita connection project and um we are just going to give an overview of the project um walk you through the proposed um route and let you know all the um details the benefits and the impact of this project. So we are also seeking your direction on this project. We want to know if you like to make a comment, if you um wish to um support um or oppose this project, or if you have a preference for either route that will be proposed in tonight's discussion. And also um if you do wish to take a position, staff has some options that you can choose from to make a motion after tonight's presentation. So right now, I'll hand over to Chris um from TE to work us through tonight's presentation. Thank you.

Thank you. Anna, you didn't need to say or want to say anything to go in. Oh, good. Good. Thanks. Hi Teresa, welcome.

Hi. How are you? Thank you. Um, good evening, Mayor Murphy, members of the council, Mr. Dilly, and members of the community. Uh, thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today. My name is Teresa or Teresa Bravo, and I'm um the government relations representative for local affairs and tribal lison for Tucson Electric Power. Today, my colleague Chris Ortiz Pino uh is here today to provide you with an update regarding the TP Sanorita connection project. As you may remember, we were here earlier this year to provide an overview and tonight we're here to provide you with an update and please feel free to ask any questions. Uh with that, I'll turn it over to uh my colleague Chris. Thank you. Good evening, Chris. Welcome.

Thank you all very much. Mayor Murphy, Vice Mayor Eggert, members of the council. My name is Chris Ortiz Pino. I'm a project manager for TE. I am a project manager in sighting outreach and engagement. And this is my project. Let's see. forward. Okay, so this graphic is a simplification of our transmission system in the south of Tucson. The thick black line crossing the screen from left to right is our 345 kovolt transmission line. This is the spine of our regional electric grid. The thinner black lines uh represent the 138 kolt transmission lines uh that serve the areas south of Tucson and Santa Cruz County. Yikes. Well, we get the important part there. Um, the yellow highlighted transmission lines are what I would like to call the south loop. Um, the loop is an interconnected and redundant serment system serving Salita Green Valley and other large load customers. That was a beautiful animation. By the way, um, this yellow light line is a radial 138 kilovolt transmission line serving Santa Cruz County. This line is part of a larger three-phase Santa Cruz reliability project. The purpose of this project was to provide the Santa Cruz County with a redundant loops transmission system.

This one came in. Still no animations. Um you may recall from last year uh the sighting process for phase one of the Santa Cruz reliability project. Um this is uh this project connected our Canoa Ranch substation um the top blue line in the yellow and our Canour substation in Santa Cruz County. This line is currently uh has been approved by the Arizona Corporation Commission. It is in the design and right ofway acquisition phase. Um it is planned to be in service and constructed by May of 2028. So what that does is it creates with the connection of the the Santa Cruz reliability project phase one, it connects three pathways for power to reach the Cantor substation. um as a result of NERK mandated studies and for your all reference the NERK NERK is um the North American Electric Reliability Corporation um and every year they mandate studies for TE and transmission planners to look at the system and ensure that it's reliable. A P6 planning event is a multiple contingency event consisting of a loss of one element followed by system adjustments before the loss of a second element. That is an official definition. So, I just wanted to put that out there. Hard to hard to understand. But for the purposes of this presentation, um I would like to go into a hypothetical scenario. Um where I describe what that means. Um in this situation, we have a uh one path of our three-legged transmission system is removed for service for needed maintenance. In this situation, there are system adjustments and the remaining two transmission pathways are serving all of the load that was previously served by three. Continuing in this hypothetical scenario, we have a second outage. This

was an unplanned outage. Call it a fault. Um, in the situation that with the loss of a second transmission line, all of the load that was previously served by the three lines is now being routed through just one. It is at this point in that it um in the transmission system that our uh remaining pathway begins to see an overload. Um and at this point, wow, this really didn't come through. That was a little caution sign. Um so our transmission planners identified that this remaining circuit when two others are lost is reaches 90% of its load carrying capacity. In 2029 this um circuit will reach 96% of its load carrying capacity. And so TEP's proposed project to fix this is our Sanorita connection project which provides the redundant support to the transmission system mitigating a circuit overload by providing a fourth path to reroute power in the event that two elements of the system experience an outage. So that's the project need and and the purpose for what we're trying to do here. And so I would like to take a minute here to discuss the Sanorita uh substation itself because the location of the transmission line that we are uh seeking approval of doesn't necessarily impact the ability of the substation to serve the load in the community. So a substation for your all information simply transforms transmission power to distribution power. Chris, isn't that I mean probably a lot of us are familiar with a regular transformer on a line. This is that on steroids, right? Basically,

that's correct. So, the cylinders that we would often see on our transmission lines uh or excuse me, distribution lines throughout our our towns and cities um they typically take uh 13,000 volts and bring it down to 240 110 that would go into to our homes. This substation is taking 138,000 volts, bringing it down to the 13.8 8 13,000 volts. So, it's it's like you said, it's bringing it's on steroids, right?

Um the Sanorita substation is what will provide the community with redundant distribution support to serve future load uh future residential developments, future commercial uh enterprise. Um this is what really is going to be the lifeblood of the community. The Santaita connection project will provide a second transmission source to this transmission line to the substation. Currently there's one line being served. This one will bring a second. So what that means is there'll be redundant support to that substation. It'll be a highly interconnected wellsupported substation.

Right. But um you're are you retiring I was remembering the 46 KV and we're going to be upgrading to 138. Um, so you're adding redundancy but also additional capacity, right? That's correct. Okay. Yeah. Thank you, Mayor Murphy. Um, yes. So, with the addition of this substation, we're going to have two transmission lines coming in, adding a whole lot more capacity and redundancy. That's going to allow the company to remove uh two substations, two 46 kilovolt substations. We have one uh the heart substation and a mobile substation on Liita, right? the temporary one,

the temp the temporary one that's been there for several years. So, this substation will allow us to remove both of those and and free up that that space and in the community. Thanks. So, with that all said, if you have any more questions about the substation or whether or not um the particular location of a transmission line has an impact on the power of the substation to power the community, happy to answer those questions. Is this where you would like maybe input on the green line and the purple line or is that Let me come back to that. I'll I'll I'll discuss how we got there first. Okay. So, I just wanted to make that that part clear. Um, anybody have I'm sorry, Chris. Anybody have any questions on substations? No. No.

All right. Good. Um, so in I believe it was January that I was here last Oh, it's just a party. I can't remember. Uh,

it's so much fun. How can you remember? Um well we were just in the middle of our suitability analysis. Then we were refining preliminary segments. Um after that we went into our phase 4 or compatibility analysis. At that point we refined the routes into or for refined our segments into routes. On March 4th of this year we had a public openhouse at the Desert Diamond Casino here in Sarita where we repres uh where we presented these four routes that we see on the screen here. We informed them. We asked answered their questions and we were seeking their input on what they thought would be the best route in their community. About how many people did you have there? We had about 56. Okay. Not bad.

Um I believe 45 signed in and a few others who refused. An exciting subject like power lines. That's pretty good. Mhm. You know, it was it was a good turnout. We were excited by it. Good. Um we we do have a pretty robust notification process. We have signs in the community. We have newspaper um advertisements, social media. We we we do really try to get the word out there. Right.

So, as a result of that um public openhouse, what we heard from the community is that there was a preference, an obvious and abundant preference towards Route One um the green line. It has the lowest cost. It has the highest overall environmental compatibility and it had strong public support. Route 3 uh was primarily loc located on existing facilities. It was the shortest distance and there was no opposition to it. Um could you just touch on quickly um because when I was reviewing it, the shorter route is the more expensive route. Yeah.

Um and what I saw was that that one required more private land. Um so I don't know if it was because of leasing. Could you just touch on why the shorter route is the more expensive route just my curiosity? Yeah, absolutely. And and this is where um this is practice for the the big show when I go to the committee on the 26th. Um so route one is uh comes from the Sonorin substation and it heads to Wilmont Road, right? Um that section from the Sonorin substation, the blue diamond all the way to Wilmont is 2 mi of new build.

Okay. that does not currently exist from Wilmont Road all the way into the Sanorita public uh Sanorita substation is all going to be colllocated on existing or approved lines. Okay. So this is uh transmission lines that we don't actually have to pay for to put new structures in the ground. Yep. Um these structures will have the ability to hold two circuits with one circuit already being occupied. We're just taking the other side. And so when we say it's longer but cheaper, it's because there's a whole lot less hardware, building time, construction materials to do that. Thanks. Good to know.

Um, and with respect to route three, there's also a significant amount of of colllocating on that. Um, as we leave the substation going west, um, and all the way down to where there's a little jut out in the middle, that is also going to be colllocated on existing lines. Um that is the country club road alignment and from north to south it is all one large utility corridor. It exists today. Um when we come this doesn't have a laser pointer does it? I I think it does. Doesn't does it show up on the screen? It has a laser pointer. Unfortunately it will not show up on the screen because it will refract the light. Okay.

If you want to just visually talk us through it to describe it. Yep. Um, this line does it a little bit better. Um, wow. So, where the jut out comes back west and then south again that is uh an existing transmission line and it exists today and it's doesn't need to be rebuilt. Okay.

If we were to select this route, we would rebuild it to be capable of supporting a second structure. So, it's exists today and it only holds one circuit. uh on the other side contrary to the other side which those structures will be able to hold a second circuit no problem just add on more conductor from that point south we will have to remove and build back in place new structures that can support two lines okay so that is why it's shorter but more expensive

does it have anything to do with the 39% on private how do you how as opposed to the 13% on the other one um how do you negotiate with private land owners. Is it a lease? Um so because this line um well the lines on both routes for that for this point um speaking to route three because these lines exist today those rights of way are already obtained. Oh okay. And so on private land we have a perpetual right of way. Okay. um the remaining state trust lands um those would have to go through the Arizona State Land Department to uh review the rights of way to determine whether or not a second line would be appropriate.

So really it's about the hardware that already exists for the most part where where route one requires a little bit more new hardware as opposed to route three. Right. Correct. Route one would require conductor and insulators. Route three would require conductor insulators and new poles. Okay.

More of them. Um and so jurisdictions we pass through all three. City of Tucson, Pima County, and the town of Sarita. Um the town of Sarita's town limits are on the very extreme southwest of our study area. However, I was looking at this map here on the wall here. um it does go through a substantial amount of your futual future uh conceptual planning area for the annex future annexation. So it definitely pertains to the town in that sense. Mr. Mayor, I I might have it.

Oh, Shane, just one qu question along the prices. So the the cost delta between these two um is $1.5 million. Is that is that correct? Yes. And so is that the is that the total cost for each of those routes? One is 16.5 million total cost. Everything everything down turnkey and the other one's $18 million. Yes. Is that correct? That's correct. These are these are estimates there. There's 30% contingencies inflations and um but yes, that's that's that's our estimate.

Thank you for the clarification. Would I be an error? Because when I was looking at these, I kind of looked at I'm just going to call them purple or purple and green. Yeah. Um, route three purple. Um, I kind of digest that as sort of today's growth for us. That's the kind of one I prefer. But, you know, first of all, I'm grateful that you're even doing this, right? It's a big investment. We're going to retire some, you know, 46KV, go to 138. So, I'm just in the appreciation mode, but just from my way of thinking, the pink line is closer to where development is going to be happening sooner for us cuz you said on the map, we're going to be moving from west to east.

Um, as opposed to for me to the green line. Um, but I don't have a great understanding of if let's say the green line is the one that you pick and we're annexing from the west to the east. Um, does it make it like the regional wastewater plant which is going to go in by Walden Grove or the Safari Conservation Park we're looking at for the users? Does it matter a lot if you're if you're stretching closer to the Route Three, the purple line, which I say is more today's growth as opposed to future growth. Um, just give me a little sense on one over the other because when I look at it and where our town is, my natural inclination is to go closer because you can tap off of it a little bit easier, but I don't know how to

Sure. So, Mayor Murphy, um, like I mentioned a little bit earlier, I believe what what the benefit to the town is comes from the substation. Okay. That's where you tap in at a distribution voltage. So the growth for the Safari, the any any the um the uh regional wastewater plants, regional wastewater plants and even the the new um residential development just to the south of there, those will all be served from our distribution power sources. Okay. So where the transmission line comes in, where it's located doesn't actually play a role at all in the capacity and the the growth of the community that comes from the substation.

Okay. So um like I mentioned in the very first slide, the 345 kilovolt transmission line that's the spine of a re regional electric grid that comes from northeastern New Mexico

or northwestern New Mexico travels at the speed of light. It doesn't necessarily matter where those electrons come in from. It's a matter where they are transformed into distribution voltages. And so when we look at route 3 being closer to the town, being closer to the future growth doesn't necessarily have a role at all in the ability to tap from there. It's that comes from the substation. Thanks. Well, that's good education cuz you know one I started with gratitude that you're even doing it right. So I'm like does it really matter? You're the experts and now I'm actually even more in that space um from learning more about the substation. Uh that's more important necessarily where the lines are. Yeah.

Um that's just my thought, but this is a time to weigh in because we have three motions we can do. I I would call the first motion the gratitude motion. You know, we're happy, but yeah, we don't really are taking a position and then the other two were whether you decide on route one or route three. Um

um I do want to make one minor correction to the staff report on there that gave the the dates of May 15th. Um if this town wanted to intervene in the proceedings and have an attorney there and and intervene, that would be the legally uh that deadline for that to submit a resolution to the docket. You can do that up until um you know the Friday before uh Memorial Day. So there's no deadline necessarily on providing to the docket.

Okay. John, do you want to weigh in on, you know, seeing these things before? So, you know, we have three resolution or excuse me, three choices um to make um you know, from our town's perspective or your history's perspective, important, not important. uh you know, mayor and council, I I I look at both of the routes and it it's, you know, one and a half% or less of the route is actually in town, right?

Um and and just as a practical matter, um you probably need to decide tonight if you're going to send a letter or agree to a particular route because we don't have a meeting between now and the Friday before Memorial Day, right? So, I I'm not sure this is one that warrants the town actually intervening in the case.

I I think it's I mean, particularly if if you um if the council, you know, favored one route I especially if the if the council favored route one, which is which is T's preferred route, I believe, uh and you wanted to support that, then there really would be very little need to intervene.

Okay. Shane, did you want to weigh in after the conversation tonight and kind of I was more thinking of the transmission lines were probably more important than the substations and now learning that I'm kind of, you know, again, back to gratitude, you know, that you're even doing it. It's going to give us one redundancy and two like three times the amount of capacity of 46 to a 138, right? About three times. there's going to be a significant increase right um on there.

Is there is there any other advantage to having those transmission lines closer to town as opposed to out far if the 100% of the benefit is the substation? Is there any other benefit? Because if there's no other benefit, um contrary to what I was thinking too, even in my init um email response to Teresa, um if there's no other benefit outside of the locations of the substations from a community standpoint, um you know, why would we have those big heavy transmission lines running through the middle of town? So, um can you can you weigh in on that a little bit? Are there any other I mean thinking not not not not just now but you know 5 10 years from now is there any other advantage to having uh route three as the outcome that we move forward with from a community standpoint?

Sure. Um uh town manager Mitt Dilly honestly in most public open houses that we have when we're talking to the community they want to live as far away from these as they can which is understandable. Um the benefit of this project, the beauty of this project is that they are both environmentally compatible routes. They both limit new disturbances. Um route one is the cheaper of the two. So from a rateayers um perspective, that seems a little right. the more reasonable path

and it was the preferred one based on the public meeting that you had as well because I saw one was supported and one um there was no opposition. No opposition. Right. That's a kind of a slick way. Um but the other one had public support. Correct. Right. And to John's point, our attorney 1.4% 1.5% jurisdiction. we have very little uh you know in the game of sort of where it is but

and and again that's that's as it stands today. Um and that would be so we're proposing 500t corridors for the these transmission lines. Um the corridor goes through the town of Sarita. We have flexibility within that 500 ft. That's how close we are to the town and the Pimac County line right to be in Pimac County or to be in S into in in Sa. So there's um and to that point also the substation itself is in Puma County. Okay. So an opportunity for the town would be to weigh in on that entitlements process with the county as it benefits the town.

You're talking about a 500 ft corridor. Would you say the green one route one has less disturbance less there already on that 500t corridor than route three would be? So again it'll be colllocated with existing Oh that's true. and and and and existing and approved um lines. Okay. Um so with respect to that, there's two miles on the north end of the study area where it's that diagonal from the substation to Wilmont. That will be new build um on route three, the purple line, that little jut out is about a mile and that has to be re uh new build there. Okay. So they're pretty close otherwise they are taking advantage of existing right

infrastructure. Okay. Well, I've done all the talking. Any thoughts on preferences uh from anybody? So, kind of our time to weigh in or not, you know. Um kind of agree with the cheaper one, the one that had more public support. That's that's route one, the green line. Oh, Ed. Yes.

Okay. My my question is uh yes uh the green line seems to have had more public support but the purple line you go back to the old edge the shortest distance between two points and you have less bends in it. Uh I just think I just think of the future uh with the less the less that that a line has to turn the fewer turns the less problems it's likely to have you know like supposedly theoretically. And that's why I'm uh I'm looking more at route three.

Mhm. Well that has the three has the more turns though than the green one. Right. Well, see you got the green one heading south and it goes then it cuts up. It goes north again. And the more line the the more wire you have. Oh, I thought you were talking about the little jut on the line. You see those up there, but see the green you're going to have more resistance for because and that's what I'm looking at. Right, Mr. Mayor? Yes.

So, these are all cost to construct. Have you guys analyzed the cost to maintain? Which which route would be cheaper in the long run to maintain? Because that that that impacts rateayers as well, your your onm every year. So what which route would be cheaper to maintain? To be 100% honest with you, sir. Um I don't know the answer to that. I can come back to you with

there's some common sense there. I mean, if it's if it's shorter, it's probably going to be cheaper to maintain over, but I don't know. What what I can tell you sir is that um TB crews they inspect the line annually for new transmission lines we typically don't have need of maintenance for at least 10 years um the impacts on on the O andM costs um they they'd be kind of delayed um but beyond that I I am not qualified to to give you a proper answer on that one. Um, have the have the county or the city because it's in both of those both of the lines, different percentages, have they already weighed in on their preferred? Have you done this with either one of them?

We we've had reachouts to uh the elected officials in the various jurisdictions and we have not had any um any feedback any feedback. Okay. Interesting. We're just warmer and friendlier that we are. Yeah, exactly. Um, okay. So, Ed would kind of prefer route three. Kim, Debbie, Vice Mayor, Dr. Gillespie, any thoughts? Um, I'm fine with route one. The green. Me, too. I like I'm sorry. Go ahead. I say I have no preference. I'm okay with what the council wants to do. Right. I actually like the power lines further away. Mhm. Well, that kind of dawned on me when he just actually mentioned that tonight.

So, that's for that's the reason why I like um route one. Route one um better. Okay. Route one. Route one. Okay. Well, if there's no other questions, there is an opportunity to make a motion. At this point, I'll move to support the um transmission line project with route one. Okay, we have a motion. I'll second that. Any further discussion on there? If not, we'll call for the vote. All in favor? I uh with uh route one, the green line um say yay. Yay. Yay. I I

I don't listen very well. Who? Any opposed? Opposed. Okay. So, it's one, two, three, four, five, 51. Thank you. All right. Thank you all so much. Appreciate your time. But the overarching is we're appreciative and gratitude on there. However that ends up, we're going to get more redundancy and more capacity. So, I'm just happy about that. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. Um item 11A, Madame Clerk. Study session regarding the 2027 budget 10-year capital improvement plan.

Uh thank you. Um, I see Beth sitting over there. Beth Abraovitz, our assistant town manager, will be leading this discussion and please proceed. Just as a reminder, you know, we had a day and a half retreat, not a two-day retreat. And, um, we had to end because we had to, you know, basically get out of the building uh, for a really good reason. Um, and some have felt they wanted to have a little bit more conversation about that. Shane, did you do you want to tee off before we turn to Beth on anything?

Thanks. And even with uh Beth's awesome presentation tonight to bring further clarity and um you know to the CIP plan and a continuation of our discussion uh from the retreat even after we leave tonight with this if there's any council members that want to dive in a little bit deeper on the CIP plan and um and understand it. If you have any questions we're here for you. we'll call we'll schedule a meeting up and just run through whatever questions you have. And I think to be accurate, um, you know, yes, we have a 5-year CIP, but every budget retreat, right, we we look at it, um, a recession could happen, right? These are plans that are in place if everything goes well, but if the recession plan kicks in at various levels, this is all a working product, I would say.

Definitely a working document. Working document gets it gets revisited every year, sometimes even midyear, right? Um, if if certain, you know, curve balls hit us with these projects. But also what's complicating this is that um to to honor the the town's fiscal policies um we're presenting a 10-year plan to you um because we have reserves that need to be spent down, right? So thanks, Beth. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you so much, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. It's great to see you all again and getting to talk to you more about capital planning. So, we'll start with something that you did see at the retreat where we talked about the types of capital projects and this year we introduced a new category for you. We went from our three categories to four. Um, we realized as we were doing the capital planning this year that we didn't really have a category for specific projects that were under construction that carried over from one year to the next. we felt that they did meet that kind of recurring programs um maintenance of existing facilities and equipment in we sort of but we like I said we' never really talked about it. So but we didn't think that anybody would have any issues with continuing on a in a construction project that we were either already under contract to do or you know was only halfway complete. But we did want to break it out as as a separate item. Um so that is why you now have the four the four categories. Um we have updated this slide with some of the changes that we made since we last saw you. So if you noticed that some of the numbers were slightly different that's why. So they've they have been updated because we did make some changes. So this is and I know you can't. It's hard to read. And I even actually based on our conversation about paper did try to print this out on like 11 by7s to see if it's even on an 11 by7 it wasn't readable cuz I was going to actually give you guys paper. Um it's still not readable. Um

is that on purpose? You don't want us to know. But in the next two slides I I'm going to break it down into small chunks of it. Um

I was teasing. So, but we I did want to call your attention um on the slides there's some items that are now highlighted in light blue. Those are items that will be different from what you previously um were given or have seen. Um and tonight we we are going to primarily focus on the CIP for fiscal 27. Um as Shane just alluded to, this is a living document. So really anything in fiscal 28 and beyond, you know, is kind of subject to change as we get closer, as we see what our revenue projections are, as we see what the actual cost of projects are, make sure the need is still there, things along those lines, see if we have additional priorities. Um, and we are going to be coming back to you as promised, you know, later in the year to have a more in-depth discussion about the rec center and the community pool because that will actually play a big part if we decide that we want to be in the business of a rec center or community pool and where in that 10-year plan we would like that to happen. That could have a a large impact on the CIP. As we had previously talked about in our retreat, the you can see here already where we have, you know, project impacts where with the lavender boxes and with the red boxes with the lavender boxes being where either a department head or um that where the project requesttor, the year that they had requested the project versus the year we actually have the funding available or the boxes that are red which were projects that were requested which don't have funding in the 10-year timeline. So, to try to make it a little bit more readable, I'm I'm I broke it down a little bit for you. So, this first section includes just the recurring projects. And I want to caveat here that we were well underway the CIP planning exercise when we realized we kind of needed that ongoing project section. So,

not all of them actually appear in the ongoing projects. Um but the two the two highlighted ones are actually ongoing projects. So the two highlighted blue projects which are now new for you um projects in the section they're all ranked using PBB. And you know as we discussed in the retreat just because a project is a tier 4 project doesn't necessarily mean it's not important or doesn't get funding. And as an example, um, project 12 is the, uh, police department accomp duties without a vehicle. So, as such, even though it was only a tier 4 project, we've included funding for it in this budget. Um it does include the two NMX projects which are the the new projects which were we had originally anticipated were going to be under construction and completed this fiscal year. Um we're going to we're moving the construction completely into next fiscal year to avoid uh the carryover. So that's those are new from what you saw last time. Did anybody have any questions on this first section?

Well, I know you have the county bond um on there, Shane. Um, I know it's it's new. Um, I think you're on the committee, right? Or you're going to be on the committee. Has there been any discussion of That's my last slide. Oh, okay. Forget it. I'll wait. It It doesn't affect any of the projects in fiscal 27, which is why it's the last slide. Okay. So, any questions on this slide? Nope.

Okay. So this one again it's it's a little bit hard to read. Um so it includes a new projects and a few of the carryover projects. Um there are 13 projects in here that are actually proposed to have funding in fiscal 27. And the first project I'd like to draw your attention to is number 16, which is the Anomx pickle ball court, which you'll also notice is in blue because it wasn't on your previous handout.

Okay. Um, we had talked about this last fiscal year as part of the two Animax projects that were proposed and you had asked for us to get quotes for it to bring it back along with the work for the other Animx projects. We did receive bids and they came in at $225,000 which was less than we had anticipated. We have included it as being funded in fiscal 27, but we did want to circle back and make sure that that's how you wanted to move forward with the pickle ball court at Anamax as we're doing construction for those other two projects.

Well, I know I remember having the conversation about if you're going to deploy resources, right? You know, economies of scale. There was, I thought, strong support of it back then. But how many courts is that allocated for? So, yeah, it's it's three.

Well, it is, but we have to be on the mic, so I apologize. And you're park and wreck, so that's exercise.

Uh, mayor and council, good evening. Uh, so the first piece, and I just want to maybe expand a little bit on what Beth said. Um, I believe the number we presented to you a year ago was that the pickle ball courts were going to be in the neighborhood of 300 to 350. So 225 was a really comfortable number for us and uh Beth and the team have put it forward as a recommendation looking for the the support. Um we're looking at three pickle ball courts. Um it's going to be similar layout to Quail Creek, but from lessons learned on our Quail Creek development, we're going to do some accessory seating uh within the courts. Um so it's it's looking like it's going to be a really nice project when it's completed. And it looks also like it's going to play very nicely into the parking lot and maintenance yard expansion.

Yeah. In the future, if there's funding, can that footprint be expanded or just because of the layout, we're going to do three and then maybe have to do more somewhere else?

Um I'm I'm not sure that we've landed on anything just yet. What we're finding is that three is a real comfortable number. We're going to probably look at that deployment at some other park sites in the future. Um it's part of an effort we're looking at. We presented to you all um at retreat with some long range planning for capital projects for parks and wreck as part of kind of this um year of planning for us. Um so um I hope I have some better information for you. But the site itself uh we could probably put one or two more in, but just uh the way it fits in tandem with the softball uh field, we think three is a really good number to start out with. Okay. you go to that. Any other questions? Don't go all the way back to the

Yeah, we might have more steps. That's fine. But thanks, Beth. Keep going. So, kind of the is the general consensus that we should keep it in. Okay, great. So, the other thing that uh we wanted to draw your attention to, and this will lead into that that other slide that we alluded to already, is projects that are that have the gold box around them. They're they're shown as funded in the 10-year plan using grants or other dollars that we don't yet have.

So, they're projects that are Richard, who I don't think he's still in the room, um has been working with Luke diligently on obtaining funds. Um and actually if you remember from our the CIP presentation um earlier that this coming fiscal year we've kind of reached a new high with 30% of our CIP funding coming from grants or other sources. So we've been doing a really great job in chasing some of those funds. I I can't read them. Is there something particular about those projects that would allow us more than others to go for grants and things? Is there about the category? I just can't read what they are. Is there something particular about the goal box ones type?

They typically are they typically, you know, check a box with either some of the CDS funding or 595 funding that we've reached out. We've been having discussions with our lobbyists and with with other with other people to see what would be, you know, good categories for for those projects. So, or they're projects that we've already that are on that the list that we take with us to DC. So we're we're still remaining hopeful that some of those will get picked up. Okay.

So um so this is where I wanted to talk to you a little bit about the Puma County bond. So you know again we've been diligently pursuing other funding sources this year. We do have funding in our capital improvement plan from RTA next um from from PAG from federal funding and local grants. So I that would be you know be PAG. So we do have the the Puma County bond that's been uh that's on the table and right now staff's recommendation is to include for consideration um some of the projects that were proposed in the town's original bond.

Right. And you part of this is we still haven't gotten a a clear picture from the county as to what items will be included in the bond. They originally said that it was going to be um storm and parks and wreck, but there's been rumblings that it maybe be expanded to other projects. Um and then we still don't have an exact dollar value as to what they're going to be seeking. So we don't know what our portion of that would be, but based on the range that they've given us and if we just used either our assessed value or our population as like the percentage that we'd be looking at somewhere between 10 and 12 million worth of projects that would be included.

So it's not a get the entire rec center type of bond. Um, we could put in the rec center and we we actually are suggesting putting in the rec center, but maybe for a portion of the rec center to match maybe the 10 million that we're we've indicated that we would put forward that if we got 10 more million from the bond and, you know, 2 million or so for a different project. um but without knowing all the categories that are going to be considered or the kind of entire breadth of the Puma County bond program that what is actually going to be a good fit for that. So that's why we wanted to put forward at least the bond projects and you know some additional storm water projects and if there were any other projects that mayor council wanted to be considered as part of that process to so that we could do our future planning. again living document. So it wouldn't affect anything for fiscal 27 but it would affect how we move forward.

So did anybody have any questions or comments or additional thoughts on on I know the county bond is in the works. We don't know the exact percentage but obviously they've gone for really high numbers and failed twice. So, I'm expecting a scaledback version, which also means our percentage is scaled back on what we would actually get out of it. They've told us about uh 250 to $300 million would be the entire bond package. So, again, for us, that would be about 10 to 12 million if they used, you know, either our assessed value or our percentage of the population. I think we should go for it. Okay. And whatever projects that you think should be in there. Yes.

Try to get them. Yes. Any other comments? Um, if Yeah. If we're getting just 10 or 12 million and that's not enough to cover the big rec center, I don't think we should shoot for a big rec center, but projects like this instead. Okay, great. Oh, no. You know where I stand. All of you know where I stand. I just want a community pool. And the tough part I guess on that is um I don't know what's the cost of a community pool. I think I was hearing 17 million plus dollars. Right. Correct. So and that's just a pool ma. Correct.

That's that's just your outdoor. Yeah. Outdoor plain jane pool. Yep. So we are going to bring back the discussion about the rec center community pool probably after you come back from the summer recess at some point. We don't have to have our complete list into the county until January. So even if we had originally submitted it as part of the discussion if we decide after that meeting that this doesn't make sense in whatever form, either rec center or community pool, we could always pull it back out. But for now, we could still maybe have it in there for consideration and discussion purposes at least with the county at at the first meetings. But uh

yeah, now this was the wasn't this the picture for the proposed Santa Cruz with a handball. Correct. And all of that. The only problem with that image is that those handball courts can only be used as handball courts. They need a back wall for raet ball so that they can be used for both raet ball and handball. I just wanted put it forward to the county. We'll make sure that includes both. If you're going to put them in, put that back wall in there. A little bit of an overhang so you can do the Yeah. You know what I'm talking Yeah. Okay. All right. If you're going to do it, make sure it's be used twice by two different groups.

But part of maybe after the summer we learned what our percentage is because this goes Dr. Gillespie, you know, for us is it a small rec center or something big like what is that? One, two, three, four. Yeah. A dozen rack um pickle ball courts with handball and goggle ball and raetball on there. So that's I'm just throwing it out there.

I'm probably not going to vote on this. Um, well, I mean, by the time you guys decide, I probably won't even be here. Um, but I'm afraid to look at Debbie. Um, so when I look at this, we live in Arizona where the weather is beautiful that you can play outside almost 9 months out of the year. And so this to me is such a great idea. Um, and I would, if it were me looking at a rec pool, recreation center pool, I would go with a pool and rec center, like go do it well, not do it just to fit it in. But that's just my opinion

because part of the conversation was the earlier one isn't even with the pool if you only have $10 million. It's a small version of a rec center. And I'm thinking of a of a picture, you know, for our voters. If it was that over a small rec center, which one would motivate um especially knowing how the weather? I totally agree with you. Um or if we are going to do it, I would want to do it the right way. Um something,

Mr. Mayor, members of the council, I'd also like to offer that when we do bring back the rec center, um, one of the things that we would be talking to you about would we would be actually bringing AC along for the ride as well. It wouldn't just be about, you know, park and wreck and and what it would take to build a rec center or the O andM, but how the how we could go about building it, whether it is, you know, do we use do we do a bond? Do we do some sort of debt service? Do what are our options if we really are want to move forward and decide that there's a certain planning horizon for that? What kind of options exist for us? So, we would be discussing that as well.

Okay. Thanks. Okay, I think everybody's good for now. Continue. So that's that's we had all our question on our question. That's all. So if anybody thinks anything else, I'm always available. Um and I So Beth, sum up the direction that you think you got tonight from the council relative to the you know the the county bond type question versus everything else. Please. that we are going to move forward with putting the previous park and wreck bond projects on the list. Um we will have a future discussion about the rec center so we can make that final determination after that meeting as to whether or not we would include the rec center.

That sum it up for you guys. Okay. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Bye. Thank you. Thanks. Having no more further business, we're ajourned. Thank you. just to say that meeting about I never social media.