Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

All righty. Uh I am going to call this meeting of the city of Sagenol Planning and Zoning Commission uh today on Tuesday, April 8th, 2025 uh to order at 6:02 p.m. Do I need a second to second me calling it to order? Okay, got it. All right, then let's do roll call. We have uh Mr. David Krauss, place number one. Benjamin Guty, place number two, that's myself. Mr. Philip Allen, place number three, present. Melinda Julian, place number four. Jason Labriier, place number five. and uh alternate Vivian Anderson first alternate present and Mr. Val Visa second alternate present. Okay. So we have enough to meet quorum this evening. Um now I would like to do section 1B audience participation. Is there anyone in the audience this evening that would like to speak?

Act while they're doing that, sure. We want to just go ahead and say we're going to open the uh public comment and then Okay, sure. Yeah. All right. I am going to go ahead and open the meeting uh to public comment and um if somebody would like to come what we can wait a second for you to to fill out the little form um if somebody does want to speak. And to be clear, are you all here for All of you are here for item four or 2 A. So, you can you can go ahead and close this hearing and then we'll reopen the public hearing for item 2 A. Okay. Got it. All right. I'm going to go ahead and close uh section 1B. Uh and now we're going to go to 1 C, consideration and action regarding approval of the minutes uh from our previous meeting. So, let me get to that. Okay. Uh, the minutes for the PNZ commission meeting on February 11th, uh, 2025. Um, do I just need, uh, somebody to make a motion to approve the minutes and then second? Okay, got it. Do I have a motion? I'll make the motion to accept. All right. Do we have a second? A second. All in favor to approve the minute say I. I. I. Okay. Now, uh, section one

is finished. And then now we're going to go to section two, public hearings. and uh 2A consideration and action regarding a request for a SPU specific use permit to allow a carport at 11:36 West Hills Terrace. Now, city attorney, we did just receive um two requests. So, do I do that for stirring? Generally, the way that I recommend and if staff wants it done differently, we can. Generally, what I would say is staff or whoever wants to present, staff should present first and then um we can open up the floor after that. That way, that's been given to you. Okay, got it. All right. So, uh staff, if you have anything to present on 2 A, we're going to open the public hearing now or so. It's up to you all if you want to open it now or later. I would actually recommend opening it a little bit later. It helps us with some crowd control. Okay, Mr. Chairman. So, we received a specific use application from 1136 West Holost Terrace from Mr. John Hardy and Mrs. Hardy. Um, we have both the homeowners and their contractor here to talk a little bit more about the carport. So, it's going to be an STP for a carport. um they did provide some examples on existing carports around the neighborhood as well as one that they're going to use as a model. So if you go across your packet, we do have some of those examples as well as some of the measurements that um they provided for their carport. And then we have Mr. Dyer here from building and inspections. um

they have reviewed the application and if you have anything to add to that, but I think from their stand uh point it's it looks good so far. They're just waiting the SUP process on y'all's end. Um with with that, do y'all have any questions for me or would y'all like to hear from the applicants at this time? Okay. I think I'd like to hear from the applicants just so we can get more information. So, Mr. Hardy, you can come up to the podium and then All right. So, I'd like to open section 2A for public comment. Okay. At time at time 6:08 p.m. Hi, sir. Good evening. How are you all? Good evening. Um, my wife and I want to put a car port. Uh obviously it'll enhance the value of our home. Um we're going with a all cypress wood natural color uh carport. Uh it's very important for us to uh have a nicel looking home. Uh one of the things and I think it benefits the community. One of the things we noticed a couple years ago when we did some work uh on the outside and the back we resolded the front is that all of a sudden a lot of their neighbors started fixing up their yards. So it's uh kind of contagious. I guess we were careful my wife and I were careful in selecting the contractor. We got a contractor that's based here in Sagenol. So it stands to reason that most of their employees are from Sagenol. So we're kind of giving back to the community. Uh our money back to the community indirectly through by employing this particular

contractor. Okay. Does anyone on the the commission have any questions? I know I'm looking through the packet and there's pretty extensive pictures provided of not only existing carports in the surrounding neighborhood, but also of uh a carport that they plan to model it off of. And correct me if I'm wrong. You said you're going to use um cypress wood on the whole thing, red wood, and have it have it stained. And it appears from the pictures that it's going to be shingled on the top. Yes. Okay. So, it'll match the roof. And we're going to re-roof the entire roof. So, there's not going to be a color disparity. Um, we could match the old shingles, but the old shingles are a couple years old, and it will be more faded if we weren't to do that. And that's almost exactly what we're going to do right there. Okay. I like um I like the intention behind uh the design uh that you have to kind of enhance the the face of the of the building with this carport. It's not like one of those really funny looking ones. Uh um I I wanted to ask the I I saw you supplied quite a few photos of other ones in the neighborhood at the on that same street uh street or just around different um neighborhood. I think the furthest one is like uh two streets, three streets over, right? A lot of the pictures are on the same street. Ju just to be clear really quick because we we record these meetings for the for for state public purposes. So we have to you can be there but I have to introduce you. So the first you were you were representing John and K Hardy sir when you were speaking and now the second form I have is for Vic

Fugate. Fugate is that you sir? Yes. Okay, got it. Thank you. You can speak. Yeah, we are the contractor, but most of the pictures did come from that street. A lot of them are not like what we're building. A lot of them were the old style, just the single slope ones, but there are several on the street. Uh the picture y'all have up here is probably two blocks away from this from our location. So, will your um structure be attached to the house itself? Yes, it'll be built in so it actually looks like part of the house. the roof line will continue on. You know, um, Attorney Bronstein, are we allowed to in some of our comments like reference previous uh previous SUP instances that have come up in the past? So, if you're going to talk about them, I would ask you to limit them to SUPs that are in the immediate neighborhood because the question isn't exactly how it impacts the city, but whether this is in line with the surrounding neighborhood. Got it. So, um I don't know the addresses of the previous STP that y'all have done, but Okay. So, I'll just keep my words to a minimum on this. So, uh, in in the past previous carports that have been requested, my main concern and our main concern has been that it fits with the neighborhood and that it fits with the home in particular. From what I can see here, I believe that this does it. Especially since it's going to be matching the roof line, and they're going to be replacing the roof uh to match not only the color of the shingle, but the style, the age of it. Um, and it, you know, it uh kind of meets

some of my previous concerns out the gate is what I'll say. Yeah. Um maybe to the contractor. The only thing I may have had a concern with when I first saw the image, I think it's the one that's on there. Is that the one that says dip? Yeah. Um is the the foot of those pillars as they come down to the sidewalk? Yes. Um is the is it going to look exactly like that? I'm just thinking in terms of maintenance because obviously people are going to bump into that from time to time. Um, as far as the looks or the Yeah, as far as the look and as far as st being it being sturdy and and how durable that, right? All the the lumber that'll be used for the supports are actually 6 in by 6 in. So, they're pretty substantial. They're not a small um piece of wood. Uh, you will have four four of them and then also be tied into the house. So there'll be plenty of strength and the spans will be only 10 foot. So or a little more than 10 foot. Yeah. [Music] Okay. If I could add, I'm a road builder by trade. I build bridges mostly. Uh he didn't have fun when I inquired as to what the structural integrity of this is. I wanted to make sure we had sound structure. Um, it's got to be able to withstand the wind and hopefully tornadoes, but we haven't had any tornadoes. I have one more question. I see on this um kind of drawing of it, there are different colorcoded beams. So, yellow is for the 4x12, the the length beams. Uh, pink is for the width beams, the 2x6.

Um, blue is for the ridge beam in the middle and then there is orange for the 6x6 support posts which is what uh Mr. Visa's just uh mentioned. Is there going to be any cap at the bottom of it either in matching wood or in matching brick or something like to kind of you know where it meets the ground or is it just going to go straight into the footer or straight into the concrete? It'll go to the footer, but you will have a little band to cover up the bottom of the anchors and whatever else we have at the bottom. Gotcha. And that'll match the the wood, the trim, whatever trim you're going to that'll match that. Yes. Everything will be matched. I said functionally all it is is just looks only it'll just cover up. Gotcha. Okay. All right. That that answers all of my questions personally. Does anyone else on the commission have any other questions? Okay, I'm going to close the public hearing portion of this. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you very much. At 6:16 at Yes. At 6:16 p.m. Okay. And forgive me y'all. This is my second meeting kind of running this. So, do I just jump to three? No, we need to take a vote. Got it. Okay. So, now we are going to Yes. Yes. Um, counselor, if I wanted to address staff, is it you can do that now? Yes. Okay. Sorry. Um, so you know, we've had the SUB

process in place now for I would say approximately a year and a half, maybe two. Um, what happens now in relations to our city staff who goes out and works in coordination here? What if there's a deviation from the plan, from the images provided? what mechanisms are in place to kind of keep it in line with what was provided to us should the plans change? You can you can So yeah, so um the way it works is this SUP is limited to what's in their application. So when excuse me when someone deviates from what has been allowed to do, it's the same as if they were building without a permit at all. Right? So if they deviate from what their permits um allow them to do, then we do a stop order and we start prosecuting them support. So a stop order will go out, a cease and desist essentially. If they continue to keep building it, then the city, any city is able to ticket someone up to $2,000 a day for every violation every day that it's an occurrence. So essentially if it goes up and it's not in compliance, we can order them to tear it back down to the roots. Um or to get it into compliance with what is um and remind me is it 12 months in Sagenol? Six months. Six months. So they have six months from the time this has been issued to finish or substantially complete what the project is. So when we talk about the word compliance, are we talking about the building materials? Yes. So it would be everything that is in their what they have agreed to in their application. Okay. Mr. Chairman, um City Attorney Bronstein, would you also agree that um for some of those materials if they wanted to specify within the SCP, they could specify that and that would be in included in the ordinance and then we would have that direct liability to hold them

accountable with that materials as well. Yeah. So the the PMZ can recommend additional reasonable uh conditions to be added to SUVs. And if you wanted to specify in your motion that this is going to be filled with was it redwood? Is that redwood? Sure. I'm not going to anything about lumber. Um, so if you guys want to testify in uh your your SUP granting that it be that would or something substantially similar, then that's totally fine. And so just to be clear that we would have so it's not just that they proposed that in their images and in their application. We would also need to lay that out. You don't need to if it's in their application saying they're going to do that and you're granting it. They're they're limited to their application to what they're saying they're going to do. This application is like a contract. I have another question for staff. Uh I'm looking at the attachment and I see the zoning for the neighborhood. Um, for a SUP to pass the city council, does that mean this particular neighborhood is not zoned and not allowing carports currently? Currently, yes. So, currently, well, they have to get permitted by us. So currently in Sagenov, there's only I have to pull up your use chart, but I think there's only two neighborhoods that allow car two types of zoning that allow carports without having to come to all and they're multif family. Does that sound right? Um and industrial and industrial. So right now any single family residential, which this is SF2, um needs to come before y'all to get a permit for a carport, which is why we see them so often in front of this board. Um, so it's not that they're not allowed, but it's that they have to get permission

from you. Okay, does that distinction make sense? Uh, subtle Mr. Truman. So, um, sorry, member Allen. Um, essentially the permitted use table in the industrial sections, it's automatically permitted. And then in any residential SF2, SF3, SF4, um you would require a specific use permit. So it doesn't the zoning doesn't call for it essentially. It's the use. So the use is a carport and the zoning in the permitted use table would have an S, a P, or nothing at all if it's not permissible. So that's kind of how that would be dictated. So I just want to clarify. Sorry for the delay here, but I'm I'm slow here. Um, I own my own property. I don't have a I don't have it I don't have a right to a carport. Correct. I don't have a right to build it freely without government involvement. Correct. In the city of Sagen, as it certainly as it relates to this neighborhood as it's zoned, there is no right to it. Correct. Okay. I just want to make sure I understand. So, the zoning here. Yeah. Okay. And to I have a question to the city staff. At uh previous recent previous meetings, we were told that city council had recently, you know, allowed uh or changed something uh that now residents are allowed to come forward and apply for carports. Um that was my understanding. There was something that had changed and city council is now doing that. Correct.

Could you So, I don't believe the change has actually been enacted yet, but the city council has, correct me if I'm wrong, the city council is taking steps right now through the city attorney to make carports a use spy right in the city. Okay. Not in all zoning districts, but in many zoning districts. Okay. Got it. To sort of alleviate. Yeah. Yeah. Is that I know that that's Yeah, that's why our previous meetings have gone long. um you know just asking verification on things. So in the application the only thing that I see that is actually spelled out is that the shingles will match the same as the home. Um other than that it just says that um the general look will match the look of the home and of the neighborhood. But other than the shingles being spelled out, the wood itself is not spelled out in the application that I can I'm trying to glance over everything and you know there is talk of it matching the home, matching the neighborhood and then the shingles it says will be constructed of the same roofing shingles. Okay. If it isn't in there, y'all are welcome to set that condition. Okay, Mr. Chairman, we did receive one reply form. Okay. So, so we're going to have to reopen the public hearing. Read it in and then Got it. Okay. So, does that mean I temporarily close? You don't need to close anything. Just reopen the Got it. All right. I am going to reopen the

public hearing on 2A at 6:25 p.m. We uh received a reply form from Tom and Norma Wrangle at 11:21 West Hills Terrace. They are in favor of uh the SUP at this time. and they state their reasoning is that his cars are parked in the driveway and he can also use a carport. Mr. Chairman, we also did receive another reply form um from a resident who lives on West Hill Terrace. Um their reasoning was by all means build it. carports are very necessarily in north central Texas for hill protection and the hot sun protection of your vehicles and and just to be clear they were in favor in favor. Yes, sir. What was there a name on that? Um I have it redacted currently. So don't have a neighbor in front of me unfortunately. Okay. Do we need the address if we don't have the name or it's just a read a red comment. Was it from an email? I'm sorry. Sorry. Was it from an email? It was from a email. It was a physical corresponding. Um, it doesn't really matter. It's been read into the record. Okay. Okay. So, now I am going to close back the public hearing on 2 A at 6:27 p.m. Okay. Um I guess commission is there anything else we want to talk about or you know just

Yeah. Okay. Well, um let's bring uh the matter of the SUP at 11:36 West Hills Terrace. um to a vote. So, you need to entertain a motion. Okay, got it. Is there a motion regarding the SUP at 11:36 West Hills Terrace? I make a motion that we accept. And do you have any conditions on the acceptance that it matches the um local construction of the house the surrounding area? Right. Any So I believe the the condition that had been discussed. Do they have to match the construction they've talked about? But it was the uh the the wood they were going to use. So um it would be a motion to uh recommend approval of the SU. um with the condition that cypress wood is whatever. Sorry y'all, I catch up. Redwood I think was the language used construction or something something similar. Saying something substantially similar to who knows what happened with the economy. Okay. So, do I have a motion regarding 1136 West Hills Terrace? I'm not sure I heard all of that. Um, I make a motion that we accept the um application for 1136 West Hill Terrace as um specified in the application. Sure. with the condition that with the

condition that that they use uh that they use the redwood or cedars redwood or something. Okay, let me make a motion and you can just say yeah works for me. So, okay. So, the I believe the motion is going to be that is a motion to approve or to approve rec sorry to recommend the approval of the SUP at 1136 West Hills Terrace with the condition added that they use red wood or substantially similar wood in the construction of the carport. I so move. So much. All right. Do I have a second? I can second. Okay. All in favor say I. I. I. I I. Mr. Vice Chairman. Yes. You do have the screens on now, so you can vote screen. We can. Okay. All right. So, all in favor can can vote. Yeah. Might take a second to come on the screen. My screen blacked out a minute ago, too. All right. Uh 2A SUP at 11:36 West Hills Terrace. Uh passed at 6:30 p.m. What was the vote count? The I'm excuse me. What was the vote count?

It was uh four. All All in favor? Thank you. Okay. Now, let's go to section three, uh, business. No, there's nothing posted under business on Okay. agenda. All right. So, we're going to move to staff report, uh, 4A, project updates for March of 2025. Mr. Chairman, in your packet, you'll see some of the project updates. Notably, I think that the most impactful is the Nolles reconstruction. They've officially closed Mroy at Nolles on Monday and so there is some rerouting there. Um, but it's getting closer to hopefully the finish line on that. Um something else that we've received since then has just been blazing hospital or I'm sorry um the square um they are scheduled to start soon. They've started on some work um but they're going to set up a formal preconstruction meeting and you know build up and some lateral as well. Um, but I think some those are some of the more notable ones. Um, some that are a little bit closer to the finish line, uh, Bastwood pedestrian crossing. Um, that one is at the final punch list. And a newer one that has been recently approved was Falcon Distribution Center. And so that began progress. Um, but if y'all have any questions in regards to any of them, please let us know. Um, but that is all we have. Great. Yeah, I'm just happy to see more retail uh coming into the city and um Sagenos Square

looks exciting. So, I'm excited for that. And also for um those not familiar, the Blazing Hospitality is the new shopping center that is uh next door to Chicken Express and um the car wash and Waterburger. So should be a few new businesses coming into town soon. Okay. Um anyone else on the board have any questions, comments for any of those project updates for the city? All righty. I'm going to close uh 4A staff report and move us into number five, executive session. Um before you read it. Yeah. Was you all have something to talk to me about or was this just put on here as a procedure? It was just put on there as procedure so we can bypass that. Got it. Okay. So, no executive session this evening. So, I think that might be one of the the fastest adjournments in a while. So now I am going to uh call this meeting of the city of Sageno Planning and Zoning Commission uh to adjournment at 6:33 p.m. Do I have do Do we need a vote on adjournment? Okay. Okay. Go ahead. Do it. What we do? Okay. All right. Do I have a motion to adjourn the meeting? Yes. Motion to adjurnn. Do I have a second? I second. All in favor say I. I. I. I I.................... All right. It is actually at 6:34 p.m. for those keeping notes. All right. Thank you all for coming. Have a good evening. Our next meeting is next Tuesday.

Okay. Thank you so much.