City Council - Regular Meeting

Please silence your devices. We're about to start. All right, I've got six o'clock. Six o'clock, I call this meeting of the Saginaw City Council to order. Please rise for the pledges. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, folks. Please be seated. Item two is the invocation. I know we do not have a person of faith in the other person of faith, a reverend in the audience. Do I have any volunteers? It could be someone on the dais, somebody in the audience that feels so moved to give the invocation. Don't all speak at once. All right, I can do it. Please bow your heads. Dear Lord, thank you for bringing us here together. We appreciate everything you give us. We're blessed to live in this wonderful city, in this great state. We're a little hot right now, but we can live with that. We're used to that. But we appreciate everything, the opportunities. We appreciate this city, the people in it, this hard work and staff. We are really blessed. All our things we pray in Jesus' name. Amen. All right, 1D is audit participation. That is covered on the screen. If there's anything you wish to speak on any item that is on the agenda, you may speak. There's a form by our police to you. All right, go on the consent agenda. A is acts regarding minutes of July 7th. B is acts regarding minutes of July 11th. C is acts regarding drainage system three improvements phase one project. D is acts regarding a master interlocal cooperative purchasing agreement with City of Grand Prairie. That is all. Any questions, comments on the consent agenda? If not, I'll entertain a motion.

Mayor, I make a motion we approve the consent agenda as read.

I'll second.

Valerie second. Paul made the motion. Valerie second. Please cast your votes. Motion passes, left to record effect. We have a full forum, a full house tonight. Thanks for coming, folks. Moving on, we're at 3A, presentations. Well, Gabe, is there any action items or any just recognitions? We don't have that on the list? OK. All right, so a presentation from Albert Gonzalez. And I think it's James.

Yes.

My friend James from the county. Welcome, sir.

Thank you, Your Honor. Members of the Council, I'm James McClinton. I'm Director of Community Development and also the Executive Director of the Tarrant County Mayor's Council. So I work very closely with the mayor. I brought with me the Program Manager of the Community Development Block Grant Program, which was Wren Davis. And so we don't really have a presentation, but she is here to answer any questions about our home rehab program that you might have And she can go into really minute details. We may have to stop her, though, at some point.

I'll start, because I talked to Albert at one of the mayor's councils about this. He brought it up. I said, yes, we'd love to hear about it. I didn't know anything about it. So we would love just some general information of what it is, what it isn't, and how it can benefit the citizens of Saginaw.

All right. And Albert Gonzalez is out of town tonight, so we came instead. All right.

Hi. You are already participating with us, your citizens, through the CDBG grant, which does not require match. Albert was contacting you to see if you are interested in pledging match so that you can also offer home funding, which is the Home Investment Partnership Act. And it requires cities to pledge 25% toward the rehabs that we do. We conduct our rehabs on a wait list. So it would depend on who from your city would apply, qualify with income and the property values and some other qualifications that we require. We replace major systems, we do roofs, the exterior painting, handicap, disability access, water heaters, that sort of thing. So I believe Albert was contacting you to see if you were interested in setting aside any kind of funding match for the home program.

Of course, my first question would be, how much?

That would depend on you. Some cities will pledge by the house, so they'll choose to do one or five. You don't have a lot of eligible areas in your city as far as income.

Would it be the same area as the CDBG grant, roughly?

Citywide, anyone qualifies, but the houses are limited to, I think it's $306,000 post-repair value. Okay. And then Income qualifications are 80% LMI. They need to have a disabled or 62 and up or child under 18 in the household to qualify.

How would we get folks to send your way to start this? Because we're interested. I just don't know how much we have to spend and how much would I have no idea, but we would love to see.

You could start with one if you were interested in pledging for one to see because they have to be on the wait list. And then if you have home match, we pull them off the wait list. And we can give you some information as to how many people are on the wait list in Saginaw now and provide that.

You already have some from Saginaw on the wait list?

I would check with my rehab coordinator and forward that to you.

Yeah, let's see. I would love to hear about that. And I'm going to speak for council, but I think we want to at least depth our toes in this and see what's available.

I have no idea, but. Yeah, because, I mean, we have the SHIP program, but nobody's really using it. And that money we could use for this and maybe get some more traction.

And if you share the information with your code compliance officers, we can give you flyers. You can distribute. I know a lot of people don't know about the program. Absolutely. Sounds fantastic.

Let's do it. I'd love to get in partnership with y'all. I mean, the county does great work, and I'd love to actually get some of that money for Saginaw.

Okay. We'll send some information to them. Please. Okay. Any other questions?

Yeah, Councilman, any other questions?

You said everything good. Thank you.

Mark that down, Nikki, for once. Thank you, James. Thank you all for coming. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Thank you all.

All right, so we're at 3B, the customer regarding street maintenance fees. Jared Kirsten, Assistant Director of Public Works. Welcome, sir.

Good evening, Mayor and Council. So I'm here tonight to discuss potentially adopting a street maintenance fee. So what we'll discuss tonight is there's several cities in the state of Texas that are currently adopting this. City of Fort Worth is actually in the process right now. They're fixing to pass this. So it's a great way to generate another source of funding that's solely for street maintenance and those needs. So we'll start off by just going what a street maintenance fee is. It's a monthly fee charged to develop properties to help fund street maintenance. All revenue is dedicated solely to repairing and preserving existing streets.

So this would not be for new, would be just repair and maintenance?

Right, we wouldn't be able to use it for new construction. We can use it for reconstruction areas, and I'll dive into that a little bit later. So why we would want to consider this and why staff strongly supports it is as Saginaw Street Network continues to grow, additional staffing is needed, construction costs have increased significantly, and current funding is no longer sufficient to meet the community's needs. Without a new stable funding source, more streets will fall into poor condition and become far more expensive to repair in the future. I know that y'all have seen this before. Kenley Horne has done our pavement condition index. I wanted to talk about that. If you look at the bottom three, poor, very poor, and serious, those would call for reconstructions, full reconstructions. Obviously, we just passed a bond election to fix McElroy and industrial. So that's where that would fall into. I want to discuss more in depth, though, the good, the satisfactory, and fair. And that's where we would really be benefiting from a street maintenance fee is increasing our ability to preserve and preventative maintenance on our streets that we've already invested into on down the line and protect our investments and extend the life expectancy of our roads. And in order to do that, too, though, we really need to look at increasing our staffing to be able to accommodate the needs that we're facing with that. The next slide is a great slide and information on that. I was going to pass it along to Trenton Tidwell. This is from Kenley Horne.

Yeah, so this slide just kind of helps visualize where it's most effective to spend money in the life cycle of a road. So the bottom axis there that says 5, 10, 15, 20 is kind of as you progress 5, 10, 15, 20 years throughout the life cycle of a road. If you remember when we looked at the street condition assessment, we rank it on a scale of 0 to 100 on the PCI scale, which is the pavement condition index. So when I talked to Jared, we wanted to include this just as a reminder of those streets, those first 10, 15 years slowly degrade. But then once you hit that 15-year mark, what happens is it really starts to deteriorate quickly, especially these asphalt roads. And so you can see that.

That was my question. This includes concrete and asphalt sort of all together?

This is more particularly towards asphalt. yeah concrete roads typically if they have decent subgrade and rebar will will last forever until they just don't anymore um so what and the tough thing about concrete is that um preventive maintenance that we're talking about where it says one dollar for preventive maintenance here and you can kind of see the uptick in the pci square and then it comes back down and then another uptick That's where Jared's really wanting to focus some of these funds by, you know, they have a crack seal machine, but they're limited on purchase of materials and then really the availability of staff. And so I think the reason why this would be really important is to be able to extend the staff and the availability into investing in that preventive maintenance. We could extend this beyond crack sealing. I think the proposal is extend it into overlaying. We don't typically do a lot of just overlays here. Through the county, we work with them to do some milling overlays. And then also, historically, we've done more pulverizing overlays where they're really mixing it in. That usually is for kind of on the graph where you would see things in the poor to very poor area. So what this would do is extend the livestock industry, just as Jared said, with an efficient usage of funds that you generate.

It was my understanding back when you are present if we looked at your data really what we're trying to do is push this curve and that if we can focus on the road say in fair shape which it you know from a standpoint the further we can push it that way get that stiffer that the the longer the life expectancy of the room. So if we can do more overlays things like that we're we're extending What you're trying not to have to do is go in and replace the base. Correct. Yeah.

I'm assuming that if we had the money and the personnel and the equipment, we could keep somebody busy eight hours a day, 40 hours a week forever. Yes.

Our goal is to have a standalone street department if we can have that. Now, our current street department, they have so many different responsibilities and services to the city that are just as important. So we're having to juggle that.

We've got enough work that we could keep them busy.

Yes, for sure. Yes, they would be busy year-round for sure. The next slide is what the fee will actually pay for. We did sort of just talk about that briefly, but it would be for heavy maintenance, mills and overlays, you know, singular concrete panels that would need to be replaced, and pothole repairs. Our guys currently do a lot of that work, but once again, we run out of funding pretty quickly just because of the costs that are incurred in that. and then also staff timing to be able to schedule those things. The preservation side would be our crack sealing. Also, that's a certain window, certain time of year that we can do that. It has to be in between certain temperatures for us to be able to apply that. I believe it's 60 degrees and up to 80 degrees the time of year that we crack seal. So that's like just a couple months out of the year. Yeah, just yes.

It's probably a little hot today. Yeah.

It was a little hot. Yeah, it would be real sticky. And then, obviously, you know, to be able to even do this, we have to have the proper staffing and equipment needs to perform the work.

What kind of equipment are you thinking on? I mean, are we going to get milling machines, or are we going to be rollers, or what are we looking at?

Yeah, I mean, I think... You know, obviously, we have a lot of groundwork to plan for that, but I think it would lean year to year to get bigger and bigger. So, yes. Yeah, rollers, millers. Over time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I mean, it says we do this and we get it. I know that we got to deal with the county right where we bought the material and they'll come work with if if we did some like this would would we be able to lean more on that and get more.

We machine we would still still utilize the county for their bigger projects or at the I want to use from I want to use. We'd have both.

But also the county's pretty backed up right now, aren't they?

They are backed up. They're catching up quickly. They were delayed by the weather just like everybody else was early in the summer.

But right now one of our big things in the county is coming up with the money for even the material, right? That's correct. Yes. That's what I was saying. If I could, with this, say we could double the price and double the material we get, then we could get the county to double the amount of roads, do we think? How much more can we squeeze out of the county if aggregate wasn't a problem, if material wasn't a problem? I guess what I'm asking.

Well, that's just, it's scheduled as far as they have, you know, other cities that they have to provide service to. So, I mean, it'd just be kind of working with them to see what we can get out of them.

So, how many staff do we have right now that are on the streets regularly?

We have six staff members currently. But once again, they're spread. But they're not full-time. Yeah, but it's streets, parks, building maintenance, spread all in between those.

How many do we have that's 100% totally dedicated to roads?

I would say two to three, you know. So that's just not enough. On an everyday?

We don't have them every day.

Dedicated to Roach. Right now, we don't have anybody dedicated to Roach.

Not a full time. So what we go into next is who pays for the fee and how that fee is determined. So what it would be is all developed residential and non-residential properties would be assessed the fee on a monthly utility bill. Those amounts would be determined based on a roadway usage estimated through an industry standard approach. The data used for that determination process would need to be administered by an independent consultant to conduct a trip generation study. I know that there's a trip generation manual that they get standardized information out of. COG, North Texas Council of Governments, they provide that information. And that consultant would come in and do the study. Some of the categories we'll go over. This is what City of Fort Worth's doing. Obviously, their study would be completely different than ours, being a larger city. But this just gives you a good idea of what's going on there. But you can see all the different categories, single-family, multifamily, schools, industrial areas, commercials. uh... properties on down the line uh... some examples of of what fort worth is is charging and what they've come up with their study rates uh... on the single family home uh... they're doing a flat rate of three dollars per month uh... it's very similar to our current drainage fee that we currently charge uh... and uh... you can see in the middle it it everything's off of uh... development units So if you go to the multifamily apartment complex, they come up with their category rate price and times that by how many units they have in that apartment complex, and that would be their monthly charge. And all down the line, you can just see how that, and obviously we wouldn't have any accurate concrete information until the actual study would be performed.

I mean, the way I look at this, I mean, yeah, Fort Worth's bigger than us, but when you break it down into a single family, things like that, unless they're getting some kind of cost per thing, it would probably be the same. Ours would just be on a smaller amount.

It would definitely be similar, yes.

Well, that's sort of why we were waiting to see what Fort Worth would do as sort of a guideline to go by, what might be reasonable. That's what we were looking at.

Hey, Jared. Yes. So are we talking about adding this on in addition to what we collect in sales tax? Or are we talking about letting the sales tax go to something different when it comes up for election and having this replace that?

Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong, but our sales tax is fully committed to other allocations.

I think you're talking about the sales tax portion of the street maintenance portion of the sales tax.

Yeah, this would be in addition. In addition to that.

It would be just like our drainage fee that comes on our water bill. That's how it would be administered.

I kind of have a question. Maybe, Gabe, you can answer this. So the way that I look at this, and I know it says fee, but the way I look at this is kind of like an additional tax. That's kind of how I'm looking at it. What would be the difference as far as this, and maybe it's a legal question too, as far as what this would bring in and what this would do for the city versus just creating a street maintenance fund and having an additional tax for that and just going to the voters one time in perpetuity going forward from that point forward and saying, hey, we're going to increase taxes 2%, but it's going to cover this street maintenance fund that we make.

so we currently have our dedicated sales tax uh one eighth cent in street maintenance and that's a restricted use if as fort worth has proposed a similar program were adopted we would create a probably a similar set-aside fund We're restricting it just for that use. The question of if you could have a tax rate election, go to voters and fence that off, I think you probably could. I think, especially with Fort Worth and in the region, you're going to see more cities that approach the fee-based, for street maintenance because the costs are not slowing down and people see it as being somewhat more fair although none of us myself included everyone here wants to pay any more but it's there's a fairness element in that you know back to that that chart uh an apartment complex is paying more than you know a single family home and i think what would be like unique to our situation is some of our big industrial users that probably generate a lot of vehicular traffic, we're not, as it stands currently, probably recovering their impact to the system.

Like schools and churches on here, they're not paying property tax right now, so they should be paying for the roads.

Well, and the unfortunate for everyone here, the city has the burden for the maintenance. So, you know, we're all squeezed in every city that the tax rate is.

I really like spoken for. I like this because, like you said, to me, it divides it out across. all the end in entities so single family multi-family schools lodging everything sure and then also too you don't have the numbers and you have to be very interested in that is a big complaint i hear is like our industrial right those big semi trucks they should pay well now sure it'll be a sliding scale for them yeah

no and that's that's why i asked the question um you know it's not just for for my own curiosity but it's also to answer preemptively answer questions that are going to come our way you know i just i also have to consider you know if we do it this way i don't know how much citizen input there would be versus if we went to the voters then at least the citizens could we could say to the citizens well we put it to the voters and they voted for it um so it's just I'm just trying to take everything in and kind of see that. But I appreciate the answer.

Thank you. We did the drainage. It was back in the early 2000s. We did the drainage fee. And there really wasn't any pushback or anything with that. And we've been able to accomplish a lot with that that we wouldn't be able to.

Well, and before we did this, I'm assuming we would have, no, we do not, this would be opened up for open discussions and, you know.

I mean, we're not voting on that.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

No, and you're right. And to Sean's point, it's not a tax, but it is a tax. I mean, if you're forcing people to pay it, it's a tax. But how are we going to fund our streets? I mean, the biggest complaint I get is traffic and streets. And I'm sure you all get very similar complaints. And this is another potential tool for us to improve our streets. I mean, I don't think anybody would complain if we fixed some streets. But again, that costs a lot of money, as we've heard already. So there's a lot of positives here, and I think it's definitely worthy of more discussion and, like you said, more information. I like the idea. As you were talking, I thought about we should show what exactly we could do with this. If you do this, we can do this, this, and this. To give them what that money would go for, I think visuals would really help people appreciate it.

Yeah, it's so so to me it put this into a problem statement. The problem statement is we do not currently have enough money in our budget and I personally on the council don't see how we can get it. So that's a problem statement. We don't have enough money to keep maintenance on our local roads. And so while this may not be the only solution, This is one that the public works group has come back and said this is solid and other cities are either already doing it or like Fort Worth is in the final stages of implementing.

So the other thing too is if we maintain the streets and don't have to rebuild them, If we have to rebuild them, we're going to have to go out for more bonds, and we're paying interest and everything else on it. So this is a lot more economical, more bang for the buck for the residents.

Like that chart that $1 spent now is equal to $5 in 10-year amount, honestly.

Brack, you had a question? Similar vein. I think it would be helpful as we're preparing to provide the public with information about why we're doing this. is to show them that if we can delay bond projects for another 10 years, the effect that that has on their tax rate and I think there can be a lot of support gained through showing that information.

Yeah, I think it'd be a good exercise to have real data as far as how much this fee would bring in and then compare that to the interest on bonds for roads that we have replaced recently. and just say, you know, have a comparison side by side of like if we had this, could this have saved us? Yeah, we would have still had to do the bond. Maybe it would have been later and it would have saved this percentage over time.

Mayor, you have a question?

So this question might be impossible to answer, but if we were to have this $3 increase on our water bill, how long do you think it would take for our residents to actually see improvement? Where they could see with their own eyes, oh, this was a good idea, because look at these roads that have been fixed.

I think immediately, as soon as we were able to allocate those funds and get them moving in the right direction and the resources in the right places, I think we would see dramatic improvement.

And then, too, our communications department, if they could point that out, 4th Street was rehabilitated via this fund.

100%.

Then that would help, too.

So, Kim, have you... done any calculations on how much we think this would bring in? No, I haven't.

I did sort of run a rough number today, like just off of single families. Our current number, we have 8,307 single family homes. So if you did That would be $299,000. Okay. If you just went off of it. If we did a $3. I'm just, and that's all hypothetical.

How much does an employee cost us?

A street employee, probably about $90,000 with, you know, salary and benefits.

Maybe two and some equipment. Something like that, yeah.

I was just thinking. And that's just single family.

You're right. Very true.

And to give you some perspective, I'm estimating about $670,000 for the sales tax that we collect for street maintenance.

I guess, and I'm sure Jared's going to get there, I think it would behoove us to do this study to see, like, we'll get some data from the study, what... potentially we should charge, could charge, what it would bring in and what we would do with that. I think that would help a lot, counsel. I'm sure you're going to get to that. I probably jumped ahead.

No, no, you're fine. Yeah, I was going to be closing up and suggesting that, that, you know, if y'all wish, we would love to proceed with the study and get this rolling, get the accurate data that we need.

How much would a study cost?

i got a very rough estimate of you know 100 to 200 000 yes that's a sticker shock yeah but we would go out for you know qualifications and things like that rfqs that was just a rough estimate it's a lengthy process too it's about a six to nine month process to get full accurate data of a city our size i mean hold on i mean

I mean, I'm pro this, OK? And so anything I'm a pro, we have a problem. And you're telling me it's going to take us a year just to figure out? I mean, Fort Worth already did this. I mean, to me, that data that they've done isn't valid. I mean, I would be willing, within margin of error, $3 is probably going to come back. I mean, again, they're a bigger city, but they've got more houses. So to me, if I break it down house to house, we've got a smaller city. I mean, I don't know why we can't get together a plan and get this baby rolled out in a couple months.

Yeah. So there's no legislation that dictates how you approach this plan, unlike the stormwater maintenance fee. There is Texas law that prohibits charging religious uses. But there's different ways to attack it. So you can just set a number and see what it generates, or you can set the amount of projects that you think you need to accomplish and then work backwards. So I think you're right. You can attack it from either angle. It doesn't need to be extremely in-depth.

Yeah, I mean, I guess part of my concern is if we don't do the study, somebody's going to come and I'm thinking of a big business, and I'm going to say, I'm not paying this. Or they'll sue it. And they say, where's your basis on this? And we're like, we don't know.

Well, no, we don't. We've got the data that will work for you.

But if we do a Saginaw study, I think, well, I'm assuming that would stand up a lot better, hold up a lot better. And I have a lawyer I'm looking at for the thoughts on this. So I know he doesn't want to jump into this.

What are our legal potentials here, Brian? I apologize, I was just telling Randy, I don't know anything about this item with all due respect. But my services are available, I'm happy to research this and come back to you and give you all of your options.

Please. Because what I could see would be somebody suing us. A big business and industrial user saying, I'm not paying 20 thousands of dollars this year. Coming back to us, what do we have a leg to stand on? Do we need this study to stand on that leg? That's sort of my concern.

So what risk, from a suing standpoint, are we taking on by using Fort Worth's data? and putting together a plan versus us spending, I don't know, what's this going to cost? $100,000?

That was just a rough estimate.

How much was the rough estimate?

$100,000 to $200,000. $100,000 to $200,000.

I'd rather take that $200,000 and buy a new piece of equipment for them and get this baby going than get these roads fixed.

Let's have Brent go do a little research and come back and tell us what the risks are. Because we need to know our risk. And if we want to swallow that risk, that's fair.

I mean, it's kind of similar to what we just approved tonight, tagging on to those other contracts. Yeah, right. Absolutely.

I know we've hijacked your presentation, but keep going.

No, it's fine. It's fine. It's a good conversation. It needs to happen. Yeah, no, so just in closing, just to recap, you know, the ultimate goals of what we would like to accomplish with this fee is, you know, streets are a priority for our residents, but current funding is lacking and other resources does not allow us to keep up. This fee mechanism provides funding that is stable and dedicated specifically to street maintenance. It wouldn't be allocated to anything else. And that fee will facilitate an increase in maintenance, extend a street's life, and reduce future debt, which would be the ultimate goal.

So I think we've got a couple action items here. So Brent's going to do some research. You guys are going to look in and see what we can do for the study. And then Brent's going to talk about some legal stuff. So I think we've got some work to be done. But this is a good start. And I think the way Nicky put it is we do have a problem here. And this is a potential solution. But we need to understand this.

I'll say this is the only solution that I have seen. that's been brought before me for us to take care of the local roads for our citizens that seems actually doable. So to me, unless somebody comes up with a better solution, I want to get it implemented as fast as I can.

I like what we mentioned as well about this can delay bonds, and we need to figure out how much that could save us and delay bonds for 10 years or whatever. So I like that as a way to look at it.

It's doable, and it's fair by the usage.

Well, and I also would like to see a plan of attack the first roads that we're going to, you know, and maybe even after this is implemented, obviously this would be for further discussion later, but reporting every so often of what we did, what's done, where we're at in the process.

I definitely want to highlight that and show that on social media. This is where your money went. I like when you put a sign that this is your tax dollar, your fees at work, right here. That's a good way for people to see it.

Yeah, definitely when we I'm hoping this ends up being what I think it's going to be, and I hope it gets rolled out and we hit that low-hanging fruit first and push it out there.

You're right. As you said, people have come to me and said, why don't those blank-be-blank trucks pay for their tarantula roads?

That's right. Absolutely.

Because I drive Jarvis and Minton all the time, and people are like, why aren't the trucks paying more?

Yeah. And this does. It does. You're right. I really like that.

You know, the charter school, most of those people don't live in Saginaw, and they're using our road. Another good point. Yes, sir.

Yep. Are there any other questions for Jared? We've got some homework, but it's a good start. So thank you, sir. Thank you. Appreciate it. We are at 3C, Workshop Saginaw Roads Program. Pedro, what we got, brother?

Good evening, Mayor and Council. If you remember, and during this budget cycle, when we were adopting this budget that we were in back about a year ago, we talked about open rewards. We, Watauga, Norton Hills, Keller, and Southlake doing it. So we decided to hop on there. It was part of our shop local initiative. And we started in November 2025. Currently we have 600, actually 651 users as of this afternoon. and it's in your packet that I gave in front of you. We're just going to go over real quick. As you can see, since the start of the program, 33,000, almost 34,000 has gone into this program with our, well, not residents, but anybody who's participating in the program has spent in the city itself. And you can tell the charts there. December is our number one month overall. And just so you can see on the second page, The question on the app is, did open rewards influence your customer decision to shop local? 331 people said yes in all their transactions.

Do you have this on your presentation or is it just on our packet?

It's just on our packets, yeah. And then in your packets, it's your top 10 businesses. So no surprise, Equals Point is the number one business in our program with 174 transactions and about 7,000, 7,600 worth of transactions during, you're using the open rewards program, the sushi place, so on and so forth. And you can see on the last few pages, those are comments. So when you use the app, you're able to leave comments if you want to. And as you can see, there's a lot of great comments all about like the party supply store, Taco Casa, for reals. You could, when you have time, if you want to take maybe a good five minutes just to read over this packet. But essentially, I just want to go over the program real quickly. I have three of those on my slide about each of some of the businesses here. We have Eagles. Yes.

Can we make sure this is online?

Yes, it will be online. I just printed like maybe 20 minutes before the meeting, so it will be online. Okay.

And because I would love to be able to show this right now, but at least let's put it online.

Yes, the good thing is that this is a brand new reporting system that the software just introduced last month. So in your monthly reports, you'll be able to see the June one. So we have 41 current businesses who are participating. When we talked about this during the budget cycle or the budget building last year, we talked about let's focus on the small guys first and then maybe expand the program later. So we're about eight to seven months into the program. So this is when I come back with you with the proposition. So we still have money in the bank for the open rewards program. And I would like, this is the proposition, expand it to include all retail businesses that are sales tax producing. except for Walmart and Albertsons. Those are our two bigger ones. I believe if we introduce them, everybody's going to take pictures of their receipt and we're going to kill our funding there immediately. This was designed for small businesses. Yeah, if y'all decide to just maybe expand a little bit to other businesses as well, maybe some restaurants, y'all just let me know. But I will also see that Some residents have expressed that some other cities do a cashback option instead of rewards. So the way our program works is if I go to Elkins today and I spend $100, I get $5 in rewards. So I will go to JR's tomorrow and I will spend the money in JR's to prove to get my $5 back. So cashback means I go to Elkins, spend $100, I'll get $5 back immediately. So that's that one. And then lastly, this is something I really want to push, is have a restaurant week in Saginaw. So all the restaurants in Saginaw in one week in September, we'll raise it up to 10% so we can promote our restaurants.

If you talk to the restaurants about doing this, because they have like National Restaurant Week in August, and restaurants usually have discounted menu options.

I haven't talked to any restaurants just yet, because I wanted to see what y'all's position was. But yeah, I do know there's an August one. I don't know if I could do a quick turnaround for August, but if we can, we'll do it in August.

I'd be in favor of doing ours separately, just because everybody's off in Fort Worth doing their thing.

Yeah, I participate in the Fort Worth one.

The restaurants kind of promote this and kind of do a Saginaw Restaurant Week promotion type thing.

And then we'll, of course, as y'all brought up already, our social media pages will be blasting this out more than usual.

You said there were 41 businesses currently doing this, right?

Yes.

And I apologize, I could get you that list in an email. Yeah, that's going to be your next question. Of that, how many total businesses qualify to do this? So what percent have you got?

So we currently have, I don't have the top of my number of retail-only businesses, but in the city of Saginaw we have 400 businesses roughly. But that also includes our industrial folks, so those are not included. But I could get you that number, who our retail folks are.

As it stands right now, the way it is, you've got 400 businesses that could utilize it.

Our industrial folks are not sales tax producing. So for example, Miller Milling, they sell to wholesale, so they don't produce sales tax. So you can't go to Miller Milling and buy a Miller Milling bag. You're going to have to go to Costco.

It wouldn't be $400. It would be less than $400.

It would be less than $400.

I can get you that one. I mean, just tell me if you don't know how many.

I don't know how many retail sales tax producing businesses on top of my head, but I could get that to you.

To me, that's a very valuable piece of information. I got 41. you know, which businesses aren't utilizing it, and are we going around and talking to those businesses and seeing why they're not utilizing it?

So the reason why the other 40, the non-41s, it's your Whataburger, your McDonald's, your Wendy's, because they're a larger franchisee, and when we talk... Yeah, but they don't count.

Yeah, so that's why I'm asking, like... My question was, the way that the program is set up now... How many businesses that could utilize it now are utilizing it? We know that there's 41. All 41. Huh? All 41. So in other words, there's 41 businesses. That qualify. So 100%.

Yeah, we're 100%. OK. That qualify. That's what I was asking, sorry. Yes, sorry. For example, if there's a new restaurant that comes in, I approach them when they open up. And I say, hey, we have this program. You're automatically enrolled.

So, for example, the Euro place just opened up a couple months ago. They're enrolled. They were already added, yes.

Okay, cool. So then what you're asking for for this is to expand it to everyone except, and I can understand that, Walmart and Albertsons. So do we have any idea how many more? We know the industrial. How many more would that give us above 41?

I can get you that number, but we're going to reach about 100.

Going to be what? Roughly 100 plus. Roughly 100? Okay, I'll go with roughly 100. Okay, cool.

So I really like number 3. I love that one out of all these. The restaurant week. I think that's a great idea and I think it's a really great way to promote. The first item I'm not as keen on just because it's not Saginaw. IT'S BIGGER THAN SAGINAW AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE SAGINAW SPECIFIC. THE SMALL JOBS.

IT SAYS BUSINESSES IN SAGINAW. THEY HAVE TO BE IN SAGINAW.

THEY HAVE TO BE IN SAGINAW BUT THEY'RE NOT.

CORPORATELY OWNED.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR WATERBURGER, WENDY.

Your Panda. I want locally. McDonald's. Because I think that gives a sense of pride and it gives them an extra selling point and encourages consumers to shop there versus sending the money outside the city.

McDonald's doesn't need any help.

Right.

Well, and when you look at how much those dollars, there's actually a great sign inside of Saginaw Furniture that says how much a corporately owned dollar gets put back into the community versus the locally owned business. Yeah. So I tend to agree with you. And then for me, not to, are you good?

Well, and I was going to say I'm kind of either way on the rewards versus cash back.

Have you tried to get the rewards? It's a little cumbersome. So I would prefer that be changed, because I thought that it was going to be where I could just go in and say, oh, yeah, I want my reward, and then I could use it. It's not like that. It's like he said, you have to go and spend the money to get the reward. So I was racking up points, and I'm like, sweet, I'm going to get a nice check. And then I went to go use it, and I was like, oh, but I have to buy something in order to submit the check. It's weird. So to me, I think that's a change that probably needs to happen just for simplicity.

Yeah.

if it becomes challenging to get your rewards then you're gonna you're gonna use it so yeah we definitely need to fix that then where's the where would the cat come from sorry where would the cast come from it's already allocated remember this current budget okay so we have we have money budget yes and there's no change in the funding i like that that's a good answer other questions for pedro

So I want to make sure. So number one, we're not good. Number two, we're changing the cash back. And restaurant week, I will see y'all at every single restaurant in Saginaw that week.

100%. Thank y'all. Thank you, Pedro. We're on to 3D review and discussion regarding budget allocations for a signed master plan. Suzy DeVictor Trevino, Assistant Director of Economic Engagement.

Welcome. Mr. Mayor and Council, as you all know, we have been discussing this in a larger scope, but today we're talking about the most important part, which is the funding. As you all know, we are in budget season, and that has... BEEN KIND OF FINALIZED, BUT IT CAN BE AMENDED. BUT WE ARE HERE TODAY JUST TO KIND OF DISCUSS WHAT YOU ALL ARE WANTING TO DO, IF YOU ALL ARE WANTING TO PRIORITIZE THIS PROGRAM THIS FISCAL YEAR, OR IF WE ARE WANTING TO MAYBE PURSUE IT IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, AND IF YOU ALL WERE WANTING TO PURSUE IT THIS YEAR, HOW WE WERE GOING TO FUND THIS, WHETHER THAT BE THROUGH A DIFFERENT DONATION SYSTEM OR WHATEVER YOU ALL CAN THINK OF. As a reminder, I have reached out to a couple companies to get some quotes. I'm basing this entire presentation off the lowest quote. So they're not permanent numbers, but they are based off just the lowest quote for simplicity purposes. Here is a summary of some of the signs that we are covering in the proposal that we received. Some are gateway welcoming landmarks, park entrance identification, mile markers, and a few more in between. Okay. So the proposals that I have received are broken up into different phasing. And depending on what your priority is, we can decide just to go with one phase. Two, three, or all four? Obviously, that's going to depend on budget. And I know that y'all are wanting to know the numbers. But you can't really pick the numbers without knowing what each phase constitutes of. So just had a brief breakdown of what each phase is. So for this company, task one is essentially the research portion, which includes a detailed review of what the city of Saginaw is. So they would physically come here, drive through the town, and see where we can improve on, what's working. We don't have a lot of gateway signs or way findings, so it would be probably starting from scratch essentially for those. But they would visit the park system and just see hey, I think something needs to be changed here So it's a little bit more of a detailed research line They're actually looking at the city of Saginaw from a first-person lens instead of just googling it Task two is the most important part. If you all wanted to go with a sign master plan, minimal, this would be that phase that we go with. If you see in the examples, it has a brief rendering of what the design of basic signs that was covered in that first slide would be. but it doesn't go to detail in regards to the specs. It has kind of just generic specs, but it doesn't have the full engineering plans, if that makes sense. And then we would also just get a general cost estimate of what it would take to fabricate a sign. Task three is a little bit more in depth. They would go to the park and say, hey, you're missing a sign here. I really think y'all would benefit from a sign in front of City Hall. In terms of location, that's what they would analyze. AS WELL AS WHAT'S INCLUDED ON THE SIGNS. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A VARIETY OF SIGNS THAT STAFF OR THE FABRICATOR CREATED THE LANGUAGE ESSENTIALLY, BUT IF WE WENT WITH THIS PHASE, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY ANALYZE EVERY SIGN WE HAVE AND CREATE A GENERAL, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF WHAT IS REQUIRED FROM A VISITOR STANDPOINT OR A STAFF STANDPOINT WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY. As well as a generic phasing plan. So obviously we're not going to have the funding to create all of the signs. And a reminder, this is just the sign plan itself. It's not actual fabrication. So they would help us create a plan to actually install and fabricate. As well as educate our staff members about what the intent of the plan is and how you would phase it out. The last phase is a detailed master signage plan that would include the in-depth speculations of what it takes to fabricate these signs. They would create the actual bid proposal, so they would bid it out, they would help us choose a contractor, they would guide us through the punch list and the final inspection report. So they would basically take our hand and install, have it fabricated. Do you all have any questions about any of those phases before we get to the cost of the phases?

Questions for Susie?

It's almost overwhelming.

Let's go into the cost, and that will help us get our thoughts together.

So if we just went with phase one, that would just be the analysis portion, and we're looking about 17K. 17? 17K. Phase two, it's about 36.

So the first one's $17,000, the second one is additional $30,000?

Yeah, $17,000 for phase one, and phase two is $36,000-ish. If we went with the minimum, we could go with just phase two, and that would just be $36,300. That's not allocating time for travel or anything like that, so there may be a little bit more of some random cost. But if y'all just wanted a basic... RENDERING OF JUST THE DESIGN ASPECTS AND THEN WE JUST TEAM UP WITH A LOCAL FABRICATOR. THEY CAN KIND OF TAKE IT FROM THERE. BUT IF WE WANTED TO HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT WAS COMPLETE AND READY TO GO, I COULD JUST GIVE IT TO SEAN TOMORROW OR TO MARY AND THEN THEY KNOW HOW TO TAKE IT OVER, THAT WOULD BE ALL FOUR PHASES ESSENTIALLY. You'll also have the ability to just choose phase one and two today or phase two. And then once it comes to when we're ready to actually fabricate the signs, y'all could always add on to the contract later if we decided to break that up.

So for 17K, what we're going to get is where we want our entrance signs coming in on our major entrances to Saginaw and what they would look like.

For the 17,000, it's just the in-depth analysis.

In-depth analysis of what?

Going through the city actually looking at everything Conducting research if y'all wanted to have stakeholder meetings, they would have stakeholder meetings You could they would also drive different circulation routes So if they were going through Saginaw Boulevard, they would know from this point to this point. We're needing signs here But they're not actually delivering that in an actual Sign master plan. They're just kind of giving us the report If we went with phase two, it's the actual design of the signs as well as the previous information.

A month ago you came in here and presented the roads, entrance in, major entrances and minor entrances. I might interject.

Right. So this would be using data analysis. If we just want to pick where everybody feels like putting a sign, we could do that. Yeah. And then go from there.

I'm just presenting the different phases because during the last meetings it was shared that some people wanted to have a little bit more in depth details for the plans. AND SO I'M JUST OFFERING EVERY SERVICE THAT THEY HAVE. IF YOU ONLY WANTED TO GO WITH PHASE TWO, WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT IN THE SENSE OF THE DESIGN ASPECTS OF IT, STAFF CAN TRY TO HANDLE ALL OF THE OTHER STEPS, BUT AGAIN, WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU ALL WHAT THE COST IS FOR DIFFERENT PHASES. WE ARE HERE TO COLLECT YOUR THOUGHTS, BUT Heard from the last meeting that we wanted to have the full bells and whistles just presented.

So this is what we're presenting Yeah, keep going to phase three.

Yeah, so So phase three goes even deeper and it talks about the location and the sign the messaging Yes Yeah, so if you see in the example, they specifically drove through different places that they had the locations on the right. And then on the very left, it has the sign messaging. And in the middle, they have some details about why and just some generic information. So that would be added to it. If we wanted a park sign that was for safety, they would kind of give us a generic, hey, this is specifically what you want. They would meet with us and we would share what we need and they would construct it. But again, staff can do that if that is y'all's desire. We just kind of wanted to give y'all what the options are.

And how much is task three?

TASC-3 is 15,000. 15.5?

Yes, 15.5 technically, but. Okay. TASC-4? Okay.

THEN PHASE FOUR IS THE ACTUAL ONCE WE ARE READY TO FABRICATE, THEY WOULD HANDLE THE BIDDING PROCESS. THEY WOULD HANDLE ONCE THE CONTRACTOR IS APPROVED, THEY WOULD BASICALLY WALK THEM THROUGH THE PUNCH LIST AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS UP TO THE STANDARD OF THE CITY OF SAGINAW. Again, we can do that internally, but it's just a different option. The difference with number 42 is that we would get a full manual such as this. So you can see from This example, you don't see as much text or separate information, whereas this you're receiving a full-on depiction of why these things were made and then what colors. You'll still get the colors on phase two, but it goes a little bit deeper on the final product. So again, just here to present the different phases, here to have your opinions on what y'all were kind of interested in, and then if y'all wanted to pursue this this year, how we would potentially try to fund this. Task four is 18,500. So if we're looking at all four phases, it would be around 87,300. If we were just looking at phase one and two, it would be 53. And if we were just looking at phase two, it would be 36.

So for all four phases, it's going to be 87,300.

YES, SIR. AGAIN, I'M JUST BASING THIS OFF OF THE LOWEST QUOTE I'VE RECEIVED THUS FAR. WE DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO GET QUOTES IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THIS THIS YEAR. IF WE WERE WANTING TO CONTINUE THIS THE FOLLOWING YEAR, THEN WE WOULD GET UPDATED QUOTES AT THAT TIME.

IT'S IMPORTANT, TOO, THAT 86K DOESN'T INCLUDE THE SIGNAGE, RIGHT? YES.

THIS IS JUST THE MASTER PLAN ITSELF.

THERE'S NOT ONE SIGN.

Yeah, so what are we getting or not getting in task three that's not in task one?

So it's the location plan and the message schedule. So that would be deciding at this specific coordinate where we need a sign. And we need another one within 10 miles of it or, I don't know, 300 foot of it. And as well as what's on the actual sign itself, content-wise. And then it's the bid package. So they would create an actual document that is ready to go once we're ready to bid it out. Because it would need to be bidded out, most likely. And then they also are able to educate the staff. So they take the time out to do that as well. Whereas phase one, it's just the wayfinding recommendations document. It's not an actual, hey, this is where it needs to go. This is just kind of what we saw when we drove by.

I guess I maybe phrased it wrong. If we went with task three, what is task one accomplishing that task three is not?

Task one is essentially just making sure it's personal to the city of Saginaw instead of just generic. But if we provide them that information, then we can also do that that way.

Okay.

So if I wanted to go with two and three, y'all could also do that if that's what you were thinking.

And then, yes, what is task two accomplishing that task four is not? I'm just, yeah. Yeah.

Two is the most important aspect of it, because it's the actual design, the graphic designing of each sign. So that would be creating the color schematic, creating the aesthetic of the sign, and what we want to make sure that they're all cohesive. Yeah, whereas number four it's those in-depth Specifications that an engineer or fabricator are going to use to create that Number two does have generic ones, so they should probably be able to figure it out But number four is going to be a little bit more detailed So we would need to do two in order to do four yes okay but we wouldn't necessarily have to do one to do three yeah so at minimum we would do two number two okay if y'all wanted to add any other phase then that would be extra but number two I would think based off the commentary that you'll have had that we want this to be cohesive and we want everything to essentially doesn't have to look the same but it complements each other that's essentially number two okay thank you other questions for Susie I have a question slash proposal as well if anybody else has any questions first

My thought when I first saw this was we have a parks bond that just got approved. How about doing all the park signs first? How would we do that? Because I have money there. There's money existing for that. How could we do that? Could we do that? How would that work? We did that this year. That's no impact to the budget. We already have that money in the bond.

And start with that.

Maybe we get a template with those and we can spread that out in years in the future.

And we can. We have asked. So we did ask the contractor for this company, and she said we are more than welcome to do that, that they can work with us doing that, just to note that that may be a higher cost at the end if we go back to them for the remaining signs, because essentially the more you package, the better the deal you get. But that might be a sales pitch. I don't know.

Do we use beautification funds for the welcome or Saginaw signs?

I mean, I think so, but what do y'all think? I mean, anybody in this room think? Gabe or Bren or anybody? Or Kim, is that appropriate?

Yeah, I think beautification is to the discretion of the council, but I don't know.

There's no legal requirements. It's just a matter of the balance, yeah.

I think you could use part of the parks fund for the parks part and the beautification fund for the other. We don't have enough money to beautification to do all the other stuff, right?

Must we have a beautification fund? For the plan, yeah, that's a good point.

I think their funding is tight, but I'm not trying to call Ms. Lazon.

We didn't mean to play stump, Kim, I'm sorry. But she'll find it.

Um, right now there's a balance of about $200,000 in there, so that's not going to get you very many big monuments.

No, but that'll get you, we're starting just the plan. So, Nicky, back to your point, so we use bond money to do the park plan, I would say park size maybe, and then beautification money to do the other plan, like maybe stage two, and then see what we, they get this?

I don't know, why couldn't we use some of the park funds for that? Well, the park fund for the park signs. Yeah, but not for the other signs. Yeah, right. Park signs. The park fund, the park, and then the rest of the signs we'll take out of these.

So you'd have to identify how much of the signs are park signs and how much are park signs. I'm sure they can divide them. No, I know.

And I'm assuming with the beautification fund, we wouldn't have enough money to do all the signs.

No. Well, this is just to get the estimate. It's only 80-something. I mean, it's 80-something.

No, if you're thinking just the plan, then yes.

I'm thinking use the park fund money to do the park fund. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I'm thinking do that first.

For me, I'm thinking, I mean, I'm sure, Brock, you... speak if i'm wrong but i think one i think that's something that could be done in-house um i think 17k we're not that big of a city but i think the 36k for two and 15k for three is fine i mean an 18k for four is not that much more if we're using yeah so 69 and a half is that what you're that's not everything but stage one yeah yeah two two three and four comes to 69.5

because the question is how much of that would be parks or how would that work do a 50 50 split yeah and i do just want to point out we don't have to make a decision today today's just a discussion item just because we wanted to see if we all even wanted to pursue this for this fiscal year um but if y'all were set on phase two and three i can base it off that and then i can get you know I think it's going to be along these numbers, but if we want to come back to the next meeting and show y'all exactly what the funding is for, because I think Beautification does have some projects that they've been working on, but I don't know what they have or have not committed to. i like paul's idea of a 50 50 with parks yes we did go to the parks board and asked them they didn't feel comfortable if it was different types of signs because they didn't think that they had to go 50 because they didn't realize it was a huge portion of these signs are park signs So staff thought it may be appropriate, but again, this is why we were just bringing it to y'all. We're going to meet with them again, but we wanted to talk to y'all first just to see if y'all would want to pursue this this year still. And then we'll go back to the Parks Board and let them know our further findings as well.

I assume we can give them the number of park signs that we want to replace. That's a hard number, as you can tell. Yes. There's more, but they're smaller, so.

Yes, and we still have. We've got the murals going, too, on the painting of the. So we have that, too, that we're doing with Keep Salt, with Beautiful.

Yeah, I think it's very important that we get the plan in place as soon as possible. Even if we can't afford to move forward with the signage, as we do bond projects for the parks, as long as we have the plan done, then we're able to go, OK, now let's allocate this much for the signage that's going to go there. And we have a plan for moving forward. If we don't do this part of it pretty quick, then we're going to be putting in brand new parks, and we're going to want to replace those signs, and we're not going to have this in place to do that.

We need to get this in place.

I think we need to do this so that new signs going forward can be a part of the plan.

Are we saying we want to fund two, three, and four parks? and just determine if it's beautification or parks or some of both. Staff needs to figure out what that breakdown would be.

So it's two and three or two, three, and four?

Two, three, and four.

Three and four. OK. Is council comfortable with that? Mayor, are you OK with that plan? What do you think?

I was kind of thinking along the same lines that Breck was about. If we pick this, do we have to pick this? If we pick phase this, you know, I wasn't clear on that. And I was also wondering if we might want to look at this at the midpoint of our fiscal year, you know, when we do our reconciliation and see what kind of financial shape we're in maybe. Because I'm worried that parks and beautification together may not have enough funds to do so you're looking at 40 000 each yeah but they may have plans they do you're right you know that they've already looked is it signage in the master plan for parks

I think it is. It is somewhere. Yeah, it's got to be.

We'll just take it back to them and see. I mean, we don't know if we don't ask.

I think that's a great idea. Let's do two, fund two, three, and four, and the question is just beautification parks and how we want to break it up, and staff can come back with a proposal.

So did we still want to do all of these signs or just the park signs? Apologies. I know y'all kind of...

I think eventually we want to do all. All of them?

In the master plan? Yeah. Yes. Okay. So we'll keep the quote based off all of these types of signs, and we'll just look at two, three, and four. We'll get a better...

So, to me, the master sign plan, any sign that goes up in Saginaw, and we get it, any sign that goes up in Saginaw, it will tell you exactly what the spec is and what we expect. Yes, sir.

As long as it's based off just the signs that we have seen, that's what I essentially reported to that company. We're obviously not like the city of Dallas or the city of Fort Worth where we have that many massive needs for signs. So I'm basing it off of this. I can send this to y'all and y'all can just verify if we all wanted to add anything. But I think I've covered generically all the required signs that we would typically need. And it's just based off that. So if we need to make any modifications during that opportunity, she said that we can make them as we go. But at least we're covered for all of these, as long as y'all are good with that.

What was your question, darling?

Yes, we could. What was that? I couldn't hear it. I couldn't hear you.

Well, they wanted to have a park and council meeting. My friend would just add beautification, too, so we could talk about it.

Yeah. Just have, like, an all-hands. Sort of. An all-hands on deck meeting.

I think we have a plan going forward. We need some more information.

Staff's got some work to do. But I think we've got a plan. So funding two, three, and four, some combination of beautification fund and the parks bond. And a lot of information still needs to come. But I think we've got the plan to develop a master plan. Does that make sense? I think it makes sense. That's a lot. Yeah.

Phases two to three, focus on all the signs.

Two, three, and four.

I'm sorry. Two, three, and four. Yes, sir. Okay. Well, thank you all for your time.

Thank you, Susie. It's a lot, but I'm glad we're doing this. We need to. All right. Moving on to 5A. Consider it an action regarding a request to extend specific use permit to allow an event hall at 622nd and below. Maria, welcome. Thank you.

Good evening, Mayor and Council. So staff received a SUP extension request for 620 South Saginaw Boulevard. You approved the SUP last year on July 15th, 2025. And per our code of ordinances, all SUPs ALL SUP APPLICATIONS MUST BEGIN CONSTRUCTION OR BEGIN BUSINESS OPERATIONS WITHIN ONE YEAR OF APPROVAL. SO STAFF DID NOTIFY THE APPLICANT THAT THAT DEADLINE WAS APPROACHING, AND WE RECEIVED THE LETTER THAT'S WITHIN YOUR PACKET. AND WITHIN THAT, THEY STATED THAT THE MAIN REASON FOR THE DELAY HAS BEEN DRAINAGE ISSUES FOR THE PROPERTY, AND THAT HAS has, let's see. So additional engineering studies have been required due to those drainage issues. And so they also provided a updated timeline. So they are expecting to get all of their civils in in the next couple of weeks, July, August. And then from there, go into architectural plans and then potentially have their construction begin in September of this year.

just to refresh our memory because it has been a year this is the building that used to be with a title company it was marked it was the mattress depot right yes it's been dead it's been dead for a while yeah okay yes sir so they have their sup approved for an event center and that's what you're seeing up there when i have everything new we're just sort of extending this initial approval right yes so the extension would be for one year did they have to pay another fee

no no there is no fee associated with it unless they want to amend their sup they would have to go through the process again so does public do you all have any concern or issue with this no i read through their stuff and they had valid reasons to me wow saginaw has drainage yes sir and we did um we held a pre-development meeting with them so they are aware of what they need in order to proceed after this you guys are good Yes. And we do have them here if you have any specific questions for them.

I think you guys are good. Staff recommends approval. Is that what you're saying?

We remain neutral. However, we have spoken with them and we made them aware.

We're better policies than I am, Maria.

Stop it. Okay.

Any other questions, Council, from Maria? Any questions? Do we need to talk to the applicant? Council have questions for the applicant? I think we're pretty good. I will entertain a motion.

Mayor, I make a motion. We approve item 5A and approve extending the SUP for business at 620 South Saginaw Boulevard. I second. Brack second.

Just for clarification, Mayor, sorry. Yes, sir. Is there a new time frame associated with the extension, or is it just indefinite?

I thought it was for one more year, right?

Another year?

Yes, we were proposing one year. Okay. Yes.

Do we need to change the motion, or is that?

No, I think the clarification helps. Okay. Thank you. We have a second.

Motion passes. Good luck, folks. We look forward to the event center. All right, we're at 5B. We're going to expect a use permit to allow operation of a convenience store without fuel sales at 520 South Second Boulevard. Louisa, welcome.

Good evening. I'm really sorry. We were under the impression that the applicant was going to be here. We received confirmation earlier today still, and it appears that no one is here to represent the applicant or the application. So at this point, I turn the question to you if you guys want me to still proceed with presenting the item for your discussion and still take action on this tonight, or if you'd rather have a table.

Legally, what are our options, Brent? You're free to take action. We can table it or we can take action. It's up to us? That's right. All right.

What's the council's pleasure? We tabled it last time. I'm ready to take action. I mean, I've read through all the stuff. I've seen the reports back. I'm ready to vote.

What about the rest of the council? You OK with that? Do you have questions for Louisa?

All right.

I do have one that I need to read and put in the comment in the record. So this is a comment form. from, it says, just Trey. Everything else has been redacted. This person is opposed. Their comment is, it is too close to families for safety reasons, along with maintaining residential home values. It will increase crime and eventually run good families out of the area. It will turn ghetto quickly. This is from Trey. This is not me. This is from Trey. So Trey is opposed to this. And that's the only comment form we received? Yes. Any other questions, comments for Louisa? If not, I will entertain a motion.

Mayor, I make a motion we deny the SUP for the convenience store at 520 South Saginaw Boulevard. Do I have a second? I'll second it. We'll let Nick do this one.

So the motion is to deny. All right, motion passes. This SUP is denied. Thank you. Thank you, Louisa.

Executive session is not wanted.

I hate to let Bryn go this early. I feel bad.

You don't have to go home. We won't tell.

We can come up with something. All right.

I'll entertain a motion to adjourn.

Valerie? Second. Sorry.

Motion passes at 7.15. We're adjourned. Thank y'all.