Historic Preservation Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening. It's 6 o'clock. We will call to order the City of Round Rock Historic Preservation Commission meeting of Tuesday, August 18, 2026. Could we call the meeting?

Commissioner Conrad?

Here.

Commissioner Ellum? Here. Commissioner Simmons? Here. Commissioner Wolff? Commissioner Peterson? Vice Chair Whitaker? Here. Chairperson?

Here. Item C, let's stand for the pledges of allegiance.

The Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.

Item C. Item D, citizen communication. And we have Ms. Judy Anderson. Come on down. It's good to see you, Judy. It's always good to see you.

It's good to see y'all. Do I need to state my name and address?

Yes.

Yeah, state your name and address.

Judy Anderson, president of Round Rock Preservation. My address is 1169 Renaissance Trail here in Round Rock, 78665. It is good to see you all tonight. especially Richard and Sharon, as you rotate off. You've really added a lot for the city of Round Rock, so thank you very much for your service.

Thank you.

Yes.

So just a quick update for Round Rock Preservation.

We have been invited to co-sponsor the reopening of the Palm House in Old Settlers, which is set for September the 12th.

For when?

September 12, 1030 to 1230, there will be a ribbon cutting. And the Palm House Museum Association has asked us to help with certain aspects of that event. And in addition, on that day, September the 12th at Old Settlers, will be the Harvest Festival. that Williamson Museum puts on every year. So it'll be a crowded event. Their event starts at 10, ours at 10.30, back on the porch at the Palm House. So I hope all of you can make it if you have time in your schedule. It's a Saturday, September the 12th, 10.30. And then this past week on August the 11th, Bob O'Dell was our speaker at the Lunch and Learn. And the title of his talk was How the Tonkawa Indians Saw and See Round Rock. We had a record attendance of 90 attendees. We just had to keep bringing out chairs for people. It was wonderful. It was a great turnout and his talk was excellent. Really good information. Everyone really seemed to enjoy it and then bombarded him with questions afterwards.

Is it recorded so that we can watch it? It is.

It'll be on our website.

On your website?

No, it's on the city website.

There's a news item in the news list that has all the all the previous ones in the recordings.

And we have another great Lunch and Learn planned for October the 27th. Our speaker will be Jack Woodville London. He is an author and a teacher. He has written a book, Dangerous Latitudes, which is a novel that recounts his and two friends' experience of retracing the boundaries that the Santa Fe expedition that originated at Kinney Fort in 1841, they took three years to research the where the people on the expedition went, what happened to them. And his book is about that. And he'll be talking about that. So we're very excited to have another great presenter on October 27. It's at noon, as they all are over at the Baca Center. OK, that's it. Any questions?

No? Thank you so much. Item E is approval of minutes. E1, consider approval of the minutes of the August 3rd, 2026 Historic Preservation Commission meeting. Do we have a motion to approve?

Motion to approve the minutes as prepared.

I'll second.

We have a motion and a second.

OK, that was Temi seconded? Temi was the second? Oh, OK, sure. OK, Commissioner Conrad?

Yes.

Commissioner Elm? Yes. Commissioner Simmons?

Yes.

Vice Chair Whitaker? Yes. Chair Parson?

Yes. Item F, certificate of appropriateness. Consider a presentation and action regarding a certificate of appropriateness, HP 26-010 at 103 East Main Street.

Good evening, commissioners. So this is 103 East Main Street, Williams Grocery and Miller's Exchange Bank. It was built in 1876, although the facade only dates to 1973. And there was also a rear cooled urn service counter addition in 2013. This is concerning. The new tenant has been making, over the last year, has been making a lot of improvements to the back patio since it was a pit area. He's trying to turn it into a customer area. The request is to add furnishings and features to the rear patio, including extending the existing wood partition, adding a water feature, certain patio furnishings, and adding two glazed partitions and planters. The patio is considered exterior to the historic structure, so it does fall under the C of A. Also, these are kind of conceptual things, conceptual requests, so they're all, all we have is a picture. We don't have any product information to go on. So the first one is to extend the existing wood partition. The partition on the left behind the TV is there already. He wishes to extend it to close off the back exit and put in a door. Also, the brick on the right, earlier this year, the HBC approved a C of A to put similar wood siding along the cooler there. Also, to add a water feature, this is against the wall of the neighboring property at 105 East Main. But currently, there's a mural. The mural was put in without a C of A. And earlier this year, the HBC had said it could stay until the wall needed maintenance. The water feature would be self-supporting. It would not be attached to the wall. Also lighting is applicants proposing a set of bare-belt mini pendant lights and then two sconces, or probably more sconces than just these two, that are with a similar appearance. Also furnishings, replacing the current furnishings with wooden tables, leather-tufted banquettes, and leather armchairs with nail-held details. Also, the new glazed partitions, the applicant wants to divide the patio into smoking and non-smoking sections and wants to put in two sets of glazed partitions, one at the alley end and one about halfway around the end of that brick cooler. structure. They would only be attached to the floor and to the canopy at the top. They wouldn't be attached to the side. And the canopy doesn't go, as it is, doesn't go all the way to the neighboring property. There's a gap between that and the neighboring property's wall. So the gap would still stay there, and the partition would just be held in place by the roof and by the ceiling and the floor. It's proposed a wood-framed option and a black metal-framed option. So this is the wood-framed version. And again, these are conceptual, so there's no specific product information. The low retaining wall, or sorry, it's not a retaining wall. It's not retaining anything. On the alley, the stone wall is existing. And then this is the black metal version. and also proposing planters along the alley. So the city's commercial historic design guidelines don't offer a whole lot of guidance regarding outdoor features. You can kind of infer some from sections on accessory buildings and landscape. The Secretary of the Interior's guidelines section also has some information on building site and setting. Both of these guidelines, because of course the cities are based on the Secretary of the Interior, recommend that new outdoor features and structures in areas around historic buildings should be broadly complementary to the historic property or district. The most applicable standards that apply to it would be 9 and 10. And these are 9 and 10, saying that work is differentiated from the old and compatible with historic materials, feature size, scale, proportion, and that it can be removed without harming the historic structure. So staff analysis, because the canopy is not attached to the walls of the adjacent buildings, it's considered part of the property's exterior. It still needs a C of A. The applicant's proposed alterations are also two parts of the property that are not character defining or old enough to have acquired their own significance, including the neighbor's addition was put on in the 1990s. So we believe standard 10 is satisfied. So Steph believes the water feature is appropriate, but installation should not be permitted until the mural is painted over. Steph believes the lighting and furnishings are appropriate. Steph believes that the wood-framed glazed partition is more appropriate than the metal-framed option, because they reference the wood-framed doors and windows in the historic district and the existing wood partition elsewhere on the patio. The metal-framed partition was more like a storefront. staff believes the planters are appropriate. However, they must be located on private property. The property line is right at the edge of the building there and is not going to work to have it in the alley. And these are conceptual drawings. So again, we don't have any actual product information. So the staff recommendation is based on standards 9 and 10. We recommend conditional approval of HP 26010. Recommended conditions are to that the and how we got around the think here is to say appropriate as illustrated Since we don't have actual product information The extension of the existing would partition as appropriate as illustrated the freestanding water feature is appropriate as illustrated But may only be installed after after the murals painted over the tables chairs and banquets are appropriate as illustrated planters are appropriate as illustrator, but must be placed on private property not in the right-of-way and Wood frame partitions are appropriate as illustrated. The applicant must provide plans and material specifications prior to ordering. Mini pendants and sconces in their installation are appropriate as illustrated, but the specific product selections must be approved by staff prior to ordering. And the applicant is here if you have any questions for him.

Kirsten, what wall is the mural on that's going to be painted over?

That's on the wall. I know.

What?

North, south, what? West facing. It's the west wall of 105. And this is what earlier, I think about a year ago, not quite a year ago, he had painted two murals, that one and then one further down. So these are kind of the two areas that he wants to do in the, that he wants to separate the patio area into. So this is the left-hand one. Got it.

So can I ask about the mural having to be painted over before the water feature is installed?

Yeah. The mural, it was originally put in without a certificate of appropriateness. And given difficulties of removing it, the HPC had decided, I think it was last November, that it could stay in place until the wall needed maintenance, and then it would need to go. So it could be a long time.

But the water feature won't cover it all up.

It will cover it all, or most of it.

Some of it will be visible.

Only if he doesn't paint it over.

Possibly.

Probably. So that's why it has to be painted.

Yeah, that's why.

And that was how it was approved.

It was approved that he painted the walls dark gray. It had been kind of a buff color before. So that the The HPC said that the color, the dark gray color, was appropriate, and that the mural wasn't really appropriate because it's hard to, it was on an already painted surface. Like normally, if anything were painted on masonry, it would be bad. But this was already painted masonry, so it was really just a matter of repainting it.

So what you're saying is part of the mural will still stay, correct?

I'm sorry?

I said part of the mural will still be intact.

The recommended condition is to remove the one that would be behind the water feature. There's still another one on the other end of the patio.

Okay.

That could stay in place.

And these photos aren't actual pictures of anything. Those are a...

Yeah, they're AI generated. And apparently not from a specific product, not to place a specific product in there. So it's just like draw a wood screen, a metal screen. Or you would have to ask the applicant actually about what the prompt was.

Any other questions?

Yes. Yes. So the water feature is actually closer to the interior of the building, correct?

No. It's on the outside of the neighboring building, which brings it to the inside of the patio. And the roof of the patio there doesn't go all the way to the wall. It stops a little bit short. So there's a little bit open to the sky around the edge.

And it will be built so that it doesn't deteriorate the wall that it's on.

I'm sorry?

It will be built so that the water feature does not deteriorate the wall that it's on. Because that's the wall that's shared with us.

It is, but there's already a flower bed that's right there. And the water feature would be self-containing, so it just recycled the water that's already in there. It wouldn't be coming from light. It wouldn't have to be fed water. It'd just keep recycling it. As long as it doesn't leak. Yeah, and we're not 100% on that either. I mean, it looks cool on AI video and ideas and stuff, but I really don't know how practical it is. Because even if it's nice in the beginning, we all know water features start just looking, yeah.

She was asking if there's any danger of water damage to the wall.

No, no, because it'd be self-contained, so. It wouldn't leak out everywhere and stuff like that. No way it would ever leak. No.

None.

None. You're guaranteeing. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I can't really. But again, as far as the water feature goes, we're not 100% on that. The question about products and stuff, when you do do an AI rendering or something, you take a picture of your backyard and you say something like, build me a shed in the back, it will generate a picture. And it also will generate places to buy that product.

I understand, but we have to approve based upon what's going to be there.

Right, right. So my point was I do have product. I just don't know what was going to be approved. So as soon as, like it said, the wood would be approved. So now we can come back and submit the actual products we're going to buy for review. We just needed to know if that was going to be okay before we started digging into that part of it.

So can I ask, Kirsten, if it has in here the recommendation that some things like the wood frame partitions and the pendants and sconces be approved once a selection is made to be approved before put in, how come the same recommendation isn't there for the water feature? It probably should be. Okay. It could say all.

All items have to be approved by staff.

In the motion.

And then I second that motion.

I'm sorry? Was that a motion? No. I was just saying it had to be in the comment. I didn't know if we were done or not.

Can we actually add that for tables, chairs, and court? OK. So that interior stuff.

OK. No, Kirsten. In the motion, have to actually say everything right. Just can't say a blanket approval.

You can reference the staff recommendation. It would be good to say the standards and that it's conditional approval. And then any as given by staff with the following changes, if you have changes.

Does someone have that motion ready?

I'll go ahead and make the motion that the city's historical guidelines and the Secretary of Interior's standards for rehabilitation 9 and 10 to follow through with the staff's recommendation. The extension of the existing wood partition is appropriate. The planters are appropriate as illustrated and must be placed on a private property. The freestanding water feature is appropriate as illustrated. but may only be installed after the mural is painted over. The tables, chairs, and banquets are appropriate as illustrated. The wood frame partitions are appropriate as illustrated. Before ordering materials, the applicant must provide plans and materials specific for staff approval prior to ordering. The mini pendant and scones on their installations are appropriate as illustrated, but the specific product section must be approved by staff prior to ordering.

Can we amend the motion before there's a second? Yes. Before or after a second? Or ask about it before there's a second?

You should make a second first.

I second the motion. Now, can I ask? Yeah. Okay. And I wasn't sure if I heard it at the beginning. So just a clarification, really. So did her motion include that the freestanding water feature and the tables, chairs, and banquets have to be approved prior to ordering? I don't believe she did. You do? I don't think it did. Okay. So that would be my amendment to include that those two things. Everything. Everything. But maybe not the planters. Are you wanting the planters to be?

I don't think. Since everything is AI generated, my opinion is that staff should approve each item because we don't know for sure what it's going to look like. But that's just my thought.

So that would mean we would amend the motion to say that staff should approve each item? Do I have to read it all to amend it?

It would just state whether you want your amendment to be just those items or if you want to use a universal one and say all of them.

Just specify the amendment aspects of it.

OK. Yeah. So I move to amend the motion to say that staff should approve each item before it is ordered.

I'll second that.

Yes. Thank you.

Now we have to redo the motion, right? No. No? Just the vote. OK.

Good. Commissioner Conrad? Yes. Commissioner Ellum? Yes. Commissioner Simmons? Yes. Vice Chair Whitaker? Yes. Chair Parson?

Yes. Excellent. F2. Consider a presentation and action regarding a certificate of appropriateness, HP26-009 at 400 East Main Street.

In this case, the applicant had a conflict and was not able to come here to the meeting. But we discussed it, and we offered to move it later And he said it was better to just go on as it is. If you feel at the end that you need to hear from the applicant, then you can always vote to table it, and it'll come at the next meeting. So this is 400 East Main, the DB Gregg House, built 1930, minimal traditional. The previous owner had enclosed the porch, which is not visible in this picture. In 2021, it was converted from office to retail office, and an accessibility ramp was added also outside of the picture. And the window screens, it had craftsman-style window screens on the windows that were put in storage because they didn't like them. So there are two requests. One is to replace the attic vent with a window. is converting the attic into an office and replacing the vent would be the only exterior alteration. It would be a custom window that would be a wood window with clear glass. The requested glass would have muttons would quarter the glass into four lights. And per the applicant, the window and muttons will be painted black to match the existing windows and trim. The rendering here was done by the window companies, and it has a painted white. And the second request is to glaze an existing screened porch. The applicant proposes replacing screens with single fixed light windows for improved security and climate control. Custom windows would also be wood with clear glass and no muntins. The new windows would not be operable and would not have screens. Based on the illustration in the application, proportions of the new windows would be slightly different than the existing screened openings. The existing siding trim doors, steps, and roof would not be changed. And the application indicates that windows would be painted the white wall color.

Here's the image here.

You have the screened porch on the left and the proposed windows on the right. So the city's residential design guidelines rather against enclosing porches. It says it's not appropriate to create new window, or sorry, this is the attic window. It's not appropriate to create new window openings if they diminish the original design of the building or damage historic materials and features. Secretary of the Interior's guidelines sections state when window openings are needed to accommodate a new use. Guidelines recommend adding new window openings on a rear secondary elevation, and that the window should be compatible with the overall design of the building, but usually shouldn't duplicate the historic windows. These are applicable standards to 9 and 10. And the attic conversion wouldn't be changing anything on the exterior other than replacing the vent with a window. It's an existing opening. It's not cutting a new opening in the wall. The alteration is also on a secondary facade. It has the business sign, but the primary facade is still the front-facing, like the residential entrance. Steph believes the proposal is appropriate based on standards 2, 9, and 10 in the city's historic design guidelines. However, Steph questioned the proposed mountain pattern and paint color. Existing windows on the building are either 1 over 1 double hung windows, or they have multiple small lights. And we believe that the new window should either have one light or be divided in lights within a pattern similar to the other windows. Crossed ones is a little different. And because there are many other black items on the walls, staff recommend painting the new window white to blend with the wall and just avoid kind of clutter. But that's an aesthetic thing. It's not necessarily an appropriate thing. So on the right, we can see the multi-pane windows on either side of the chimney. And there's also a patio door, you can see toward the right, that's divided into a lot of little panes. And then the rest are one over ones. And regarding the porch glazing, the city's residential guidelines are also discouraging. They say because the elimination or enclosure of a front porch or side porch or balcony alters the character of a building significantly and is not considered appropriate. Secretary of the Interior standards and guidelines are a little more nuanced. They say it allows enclosure of porches on secondary elevations in a manner that preserves the historic character of the building, e.g. by using large sheets of glass or by installing the enclosure behind the porch columns rather than in front of them. In other words, keep the porchiness on there. Whether there's an open porch with columns, they would rather have the glass or the screens be behind the columns so that from the street, you still see all the columns and everything. So step analysis on here, the character of the porch has changed a little over time. It is a fully screened, or it's a half screened porch, sorry. It used to be fully screened, and the lower half was enclosed without a certificate of appropriateness by the previous owner. Per standards for rehabilitation 9 and 10, staff believe that glazing the porch is appropriate with a few modifications to the current proposal. Aim for this project should be to keep the impression and feeling of a porch, even if it no longer allows for free air flow like a porch. The proposed windows don't have screens because the applicant's specifying inoperable windows. Staff believes that even if the windows are not operable, screens should be included. It's tempting to want to install the windows inside the existing screens, but that's not really how window installation works these days. But we think it would be okay to build new removable wood screens to fit with new windows. And how appropriate those would be would depend a lot on the detailing. Applying the Secretariat of the Interior's example of using large panes of glass behind it, like each side of the wall could have one big window there. And then the screen could be one window for that whole side that fits in and has similar kinds of muntin spacing. So the new screen size and crossbar placement should reflect the size and placement of the existing screen or of the pre-2020 screen panels. The new window behind the screens could be less visible and maybe afford more flexibility. When a porch is enclosed, the Secretary of Standards and Guidelines recommend using large sheets of glass to give the impression of openness. The trim around the new windows should not resemble the trim around the existing windows, which should reflect the framing of the current porch. And new screens and windows should be painted the wall color just as the current screens are. Those are the staff recommendations. So recommendation here, staff recommends conditional approval of application HP 26009. in accordance to the city's historic design guidelines and Secretary of the Interior's standards for rehabilitation 2, 9, and 10. We recommend the following conditions. All windows must be made from non-clad wood with clear glass. The muntin pattern of the attic window should reflect one of the muntin patterns on the existing windows. Porch windows must have wood-framed exterior screens. The existing fixed screens may be retained or new screens may be constructed. New screens should have crossbars reflecting the existing screen panels. The attic and porch windows, muntins, and screens should be painted the white wall color. And final dimensions and specifications for all custom windows, screens, and trim must be approved by staff with an amended C of A before fabrication. And again, if you feel that you want to ask the applicant something or get their feedback directly, you can always table it until the next meeting.

Any comments or questions, commissioners? As stated, we can either make a decision or table it until the applicant is present, whichever one. The applicant does not have to be here.

I believe that we could make the motion and approve it. Once again, just like it says, subject to staff approval on the final products used. Because he's been pretty clear on what he wants and what he's going to do. But with staff having the last look at it, I think we could easily do it without.

Are there conditions in which you would not want me to approve it? I'm sorry. Are there conditions or ways that it could come out that you would want me to not approve it and bring it back? Or do you think the description is enough?

I think you've covered it well in your staff recommendation. It's my opinion for what it's worth.

So I'd like to make a move for a motion that the city's historical design guidelines and Secretary Viteria's standards for Rehabilitation 9 and 2 and 10, staff recommendations under conditions for each item be of approval. All windows must be made from non-clad with clear glass. The mutton pattern on the attic should reflect one of the mutton patterns on the existing woods and must be approved by staff. The porch windows must have wooden frame exterior screens. The existing fixed screens may be retained or new screens may be constructed. New screens should have crossbars reflecting existing or the pre-2020 screen panels. The size of the windows behind the screen is much more flexible, so that's okay at this moment. The attic porch windows and mutton screens should be painted as well. The wall color. And that color needs to be approved by staff The final dimensions of the specifications of the custom windows screen trim must be approved by staff and amended with the C of a before fabrication Second that motion For a vote Richard

Could we have a vote on that, please? Is that what you said? Yeah. OK. Commissioner Conrad?

Yes. Commissioner Ellum? Yes. Commissioner Simmons? Yes. Professor Whitaker? Yes. And Chair Parson?

Yes. Presentations. I was busy reading this. That's why I wasn't paying attention. recognition of outgoing commissioners for the completion of their terms of service. This is when we get our checks.

The big ones?

Good evening, commissioners. So eight years ago, there was a term limit put in place for the Historic Preservation Commission. And we have two commissioners that have served a minimum of eight years, one more than eight years. And so they'll no longer be able to be appointed this year, so we will have some new commissioners coming on, but we wanted to recognize their time and service to the commission, and we have some plaques to give you as well, and we'd like to take your photo with the plaque as well.

Thank you.

So if you can stick around at the end as well, we'd like to take your photos.

This is beautiful. Can I say something, Joelle? What a pleasure it's been to be serving my city in this manner. And I always tell people, if you want to get involved, there are many ways to get involved. Find what you're interested in and really apply for it. And if you don't get chosen the first time, apply again, because the city wants people to really fill these positions. Because the people who fill these positions are people who care about what's going on. And I care deeply about the city. And so it's been my pleasure. even though all we get really is a lunch once in a while. But it's just such a pleasure to work with each and every one of you. And I thank you for the opportunity of serving. And I encourage anyone who wants to serve the city to please go online, and you'll find a list of ways that you can give back to your city. Thank you so much for this opportunity.

Thank you, Richard and Sharon. I want to thank you for your years of service and your ability to teach others and to pass the torch along. So thank you very much.

Thank you. I want to say something about preservation, how important it is. Because remember, when something's gone, it's gone. You can't think about it. You can't wait to see what happens. You've got to be proactive and do everything that you can to preserve. and to restore our history, because we can't get it back. So keep that in mind.

Absolutely, Sharon, of course. And I always say, the older I get, the more I care about old things. Exactly.

I used to tell my late husband that it was a good thing that I liked old stuff, because I would have got rid of him a long time ago, which he just laughed. But it's so precious, everything that we have, that is old like us. But buildings, documents, furniture, whatever it is, preserve it. Don't just throw it in the trash. Make sure that you do something with it. And thank you all.

That being said. G2, consider a monthly update by staff and commissioners relating to historic preservation projects, goals, events, and activities.

Kirsten's going to talk a little bit about the update in your packets, but before that, I wanted to talk about the design guidelines again. You'll notice you have a draft copy in front of you. The work session is coming up in September, and the goal is for you all to provide feedback on the design guidelines at the work session. So we wanted to give you plenty of time. to be able to look at that document because it's substantial. We talked a little bit last month about how it's changing. And so you have that information from your last month's memo. But feel free to reach out, ask us questions along the way if you have questions prior to the work session. Otherwise, we'll really dig in at the work session. We also have, and you have a postcard in front of you, and there's some in the back for folks as well, two opportunities coming up for the public and for historic property owners and occupants to comment on the design guidelines as well. That information is available on the website as well as this draft that we've handed you this evening. So it's available electronically too if you prefer to look at it that way. Kristen, you want to talk about that?

Can I just ask? Sure. Clarification. So as we're going through this, it's okay to write on this because it's a draft?

This is your draft to do whatever you like.

Okay. And then if we're looking at it as, like, from our experience, but also looking at it as somebody who's never seen it before, if it makes sense to them, and if things are missing, is that?

Yes, if you notice things are missing or you think about past cases and you wish there was more information about whatever it is, that's what we want to hear. When we provide your packet for the work session, which we hope to do probably by the end of next week, this will be one of the main items that we'll talk about besides goals. We'll have a list of questions in there, what we intend to talk about at the work session to guide you as well. But feel free to start reading right now. Really, it's about, you know, is it Is it what you need to make your decisions?

And can I ask one more question for our outgoing friends? Is there a requirement that they go through this and give their detailed feedback prior to their end of their term? No.

So we did provide copies to them, and we do hope that they will do the same, and they can provide feedback to us via email or attend one of the office hours as well. We really do appreciate, you know, all those years of going through cases. I'm sure you have lots of valuable feedback.

Oh, another question about guidelines?

Yes, our gentleman back there has been trying to raise his hand. I think we cut him short.

Am I going to have to submit everything and then wait until the next meeting to go back? No, just . OK, all right. Thank you all. Thank you.

You'll receive a letter as well with the details. Anything else on the guidelines? OK, Kirsten's going to provide some other updates for you.

OK, the rest of the staff updates So last meeting two weeks ago, 607 East Main, which has filed an appeal just scheduled for September 10th, city council meeting. And again, the work session will be September 15th from 4 to 8 p.m. We are not sure if we'll have cases or not. So we're doing it in this building, and we'll schedule the case stuff in here and the discussion stuff in the conference room over there. And we're not sure how that's going to break down quite yet. Palm House is moving quite along. They're doing our punch list run on Thursday. As Judy noted, the grand reopen is scheduled for September 12. The Williamson Museum will be having Harvest Fest at the same time. So there'll be lots of kids around. But that's why we restored the Palm House. The most recent changes are the grade's been restored, beginning to do the landscaping. They've installed a new window and front door. The window kind of disappeared into the front door. It needed a new front door. The old one was not historic, but this is at least wood. And decided to keep the old knobs with new levers, so there was discussion back and forth about whether to use new knobs or... Whereas, ADA requires that things are 36 inches high and that they have levers. And we decided to keep them both. So there's the operable thing is the lever, but there's a knob right below it. It's been painted. They expect that everything will be complete by 831. I think the thing that they're still working on is the railings for the handicap ramp. And there's a photo taken by Shirley with the copper gutters.

Looks so good.

I had the pleasure last week of attending the relocation summit that Preservation Texas put on. It was in New Braunfels. Although the Texas Historical Commission kind of really doesn't like you to move their buildings, a lot of local jurisdictions are a lot more forgiving of that. And they had case studies of both the Palm House and the train depot in Buda, which is another case of a building that went away and came back. The train station went a lot farther. It was almost in San Antonio. Also, some other case studies, the Tenner-Hendrick House in Southern Springs and DeSalle Lutheran Church in Austin. Also, Preservation Austin has produced a lot of research for the city of Austin, showing how, over the years, the percentage of relocations versus demolitions has gone much higher in the demolition And they were proposing ways to make relocation a little more attractive and simpler process. And then we had a Gitter Dodson with Dodson House Movers, and he advised us of some of the technical and practical aspects of relocation. And then it's also fun being around all the older properties in New Brown Fuzz Old Town. Also wanted to let you know there's a Section 106 proposed rule change. This is at the federal level. It's a potential change of procedures with a federally initiated rewrite of regulations. And this is something that the National Association of Preservation Commissions and the National Trust for our gathering input on it. Section 106 was established under the 1966 National Historic Preservation Act. It requires that any project receiving federal funding has to consult with state, local, and tribal governments, anything that might be affected, to see if there are historic resources that could be impacted by it, or whether it would be impacted negatively, or what ways can the project be modified to get around it. As you know, preservation originated in the urban renewal phase. So currently, we do these in staff. We only have about one Section 106 review a month, and most of them are for cell towers. However, there are a couple more impactful ones which are including widening US 79 or Palm Valley Boulevard and the 620 overpass, the 620 overpass. That was when they decided that they couldn't change the plan and move the building instead. So these proposed rule changes would weaken the review process for cities and other impacted entities. It would make consultation optional, where the agency would be the one deciding whether it's necessary and what kind of a process that would be. More projects would just be exempt from review and narrowing what types of sites receive protection. Right now, it's any kind of historic resource. And they would have to have a man-made improvement or structure on it. So this is Native American sites. It takes a lot of those out of their review requirements. The National Trust is organizing a comment to learn more and provide feedback because it's saving places. Also, NAPC has a webinar coming up that I'll be sending you up to see. Any other announcements?

Can I ask a question? On the handout, it talks about commission appointments were going to happen on the August 13th city council meeting and would be updated today. Do we have that information?

Oh, yeah. There were three people who applied and Commissioner Allen was reappointed. There were three people who opened. Also, Gavin, Commissioner Peterson is not It's not returning also, so we'll have three openings. And there were three applicants. One of them was Shirley Marquardt, who I think you may remember from before. The other two were people that I didn't know. One was a civil engineer, and one was an architect.

Thank you.

Their first meeting will be for the work session.

Item H is the adjournment. And I want to do one thing I have not done the whole time. The meeting is adjourned.