City Council - Regular Meeting

order so that we have a roll call and they will be followed by uh the pledge by maybe Councilman Ora and oh let's see the prayer by Carlos Council Maruo, please if that's all right. Yes, sir. Okay. Okay. So, clerk call for councelor Johnson here. Councelor Oressa here. Councelor Moore here. Councelor Tavin is absent today. Councelor Korn here.

Councelor Cortez present. Councelor Helenbrand present. Councelor Maro here. Councelor Arnold present. Councelor Halverson here. Mayor, you have a quum.

Okay. We have a quorum with one absent. Okay. So, we have a quorum. Now, if we have the pledge and please rise for pledge of invitation. First, first prayer first. Father God, we come before you and give you all glory and honor. Thank you for allowing us to be here. Also bless the people that came in to be here. Father God, we ask you to bless our government nationwide, statewide, and citywide. Father God, we ask you to bless our military. Father God, bless our police officers, our ambulance service, and our firefighters. Father God, we give you all glory and honor for this day. In your name we pray. Amen.

Amen. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Well, good evening Now, if you all if we're real verbose, you'll miss the baseball games and you'll miss all the rod got problem I got volleyball game. You'll hear a lot. If you talk real quick, we can get out of here at a reasonable time. So, you know, it's all up to you. Everybody can perform however they choose. But you know, you know, it's pretty important that volleyball team. The rest of it will go on next year anyway. So, all right. And uh I would like to say one thing. If anybody hasn't noticed, this is the first time in many many moons that we've seen counselor K without a club or a stick that he walks around to poke people with. So, it's nice to have that. I hope if somebody yells fire, there'll be somebody that stays and helps him out. So, we got to kind of work through that.

Okay, Mr. Mayor. I'll try to move this meeting along. Okay. Okay. So, we have approve the agenda.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move I move to approve of the agenda for August 9th, 2025, our city council meeting with the following changes. Move item 26 to be heard before item 18. That is item 26 before 18. Okay. And that uh that is because we have some people that are on East Coast time. So is there do you have a motion? Is there any objection?

Need a second. Do we have a second? Councilman Korn a motion second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, start call the roll. Councelor Johnson, yes. Councelor Odessa, yes. Councelor Moore, yes. Councelor Korn, yes. Councelor Cortez, yes. Councelor Henbrand, hi. Councelor Marubo, yes. Councelor Arnold, yes. Councelor Halerson. Yes.

Okay. So, we we've approved the agenda. Now, we have for approval of the consent agenderson. No, I'll take you. I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm stand I'm stand here today. Thank you. Uh Mr. Mayor, I move to approve the consent agenda as amended. Second agenda was not amended. Consent agenda. I move to just approve the consent agenda. We have a motion. October 9th, 2025. Second by

Councilman. Was that you? [Music] Who did somebody say second down there? I thought Councilman Moore. Okay. That's what I thought. Somebody just There you go. Any further discussion? Seeing none, Mr. I have an issue with an item on the consent agenda. Okay. Okay. Would you Which item is it, please? I'd like to move item 17 to 16 like to move item 16. 16.

I know 16. So then it would go down and be an item under interaction. Yep. So we moved to after number 26. Yep. Is there any is we have a motion? Is there a second? Motion. I don't think it takes a Doesn't take a second for [Music] automatically onto the regular. regular agenda.

Okay. Okay. Next, we're back on the regular motion as uh with item 17 being gone, we have a motion by Councilman Hillbrand. Any further discussion, Mr. Mayor, was that item 16 or item 17? 16. Thank you. Item 16. Item 16. Thank you. Okay. Okay. So, we have A motion to approve the consent agenda with item uh 16 being placed on the regular agenda now. So is there any further discussion? Seeing none, the clerk to call the role. Councelor Johnson, yes. Councelor Odessa,

yes. Councelor Moore, yes. Councelor Korn, yes. Councelor Cortez, yes. Councelor Hoverbrand, hi. Councelor Marupul, yes. Councelor Arnold. Yes. Councelor Halverson. Yes. Nine. The affirmative none of the items and the uh consent agenda has been approved. Okay. So, okay. So, now we have to go to item item 26. Do we do 26 or do we do 16?

26. 16 will go first, will it not?

We moved item We moved item 16 to be heard before um item just we didn't say 26. Yeah. So it'll go it'll go before 25 16 will go before 25 [Music] 16 is before 25. But didn't we also have a motion to move item uh 26 26 26 to the behind 17 behind 17. Is that the way the motion?

So item 26 is the item we're on now. We're on item 26 and that's approvement for the budget adjustment. No, sorry, wrong one. Approval for the New Mexico Historical Air Museum. Item 26 on your calendar is a

Okay. So on that, Mr. Mayor. Yeah. Yeah. If Well, my book just come. Okay. Okay. For item 26, I'm 26. It's uh I'm 26 is approval of the New Mexico uh historical air museum entered into a three-year lease beginning with October 1st, 2025, ending in September 30th, 2028. U for a land parcel and industrial air center. Councilman Hildbrand.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move that we approve the New Mexico Historical Hair and Museum to enter into year a three-year release beginning October 21, 2025 and ending September 3rd, 2028. So we have a motion by Councilman Hillbrd, second by second councelor Johnson. Okay. And is there Okay. Who wants to go with the lease? Uh to explain it, Mr. Sir, you want Are you going to explain?

Okay. He's online. Okay. Okay. Who do we have online? Mr. Dick and

Oh, Dick. Okay. Now, anybody who doesn't know Mr. Mitten, he had a number of years in the uh in the New Mexico House represent, and he was also the uh he was on the judiciary committee, but he was also uh the tax secretary for the state of New Mexico for a number of years. He is uh uh he's very well known and and his abilities were beyond question when he was in the legislature. Very u very fine individual.

Okay. Mr. Dick, are you there? I'm here. I don't know whether I'm muted or not. Can you hear me? Yes.

Yes, we can hear you. Okay. Uh, thank you. Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, uh, members of the city council. Uh, I appreciate the invitation. I always, uh, enjoy talking about, uh, this project that I'm working on because it an opportunity, it seems to me, for everybody involved to come out happy. Um, I'm with My name is Dick Menner. I'm an attorney with the Roie Law Firm in Albuquerque. I uh thought I was going to be joined tonight by the in-house council for the museum. Uh but I think she has not uh uh signed on yet. Um so I will in any event uh go ahead and uh talk a little bit about this project. Then I'll be happy to take questions if you uh if the committee has any. Um, as most of you uh probably know, the New Mexico Historical Air Museum uh is an organization. It's a nonprofit. It's a New Mexico nonprofit, and we are seeking to build an a museum adjacent to the airport in Roswell on land uh privately owned land that's actually in the county, not in the city. But uh we do need uh the city's help in one particular area. Our project is designed to have out of service air airplanes displayed on museum property adjacent to the southeast corner of the uh um of the airport. The um city has been very

helpful so far. We have had particularly good uh relations with this the uh uh airport authority uh Robbie uh Thompson. We've had very good uh relations with the city attorney. City attorney of course is Hessima. And of course uh we wouldn't have gotten uh this far with the project without the uh help of uh Mayor Jennings. Uh we've also had surprisingly good relations uh with the FAA. They have been uh helpful and uh accommodating of the things we wanted to do. Of course, the FAA gets uh concerned anytime uh something is going on on airport and or adjacent to the airport. But um the project itself has two parts. One is the building of the building and constructing of the museum outside the airport on land that's within the county and not the city's jurisdiction. That's privately owned. uh and it's uh land that uh has been uh purchased in order to accommodate this uh um this project. Uh the project is going to display airplanes that have flown since World War II uh throughout uh the the subsequent decades. they are going to be uh uh civilian air air airpl air airplanes and not uh not military. The part that we need the help from the city with is that to display these planes there will be um planes flown in to the uh Roswell

airport on their last flight before they are ready to be displayed uh at the museum. And we need to construct a towway or tow road that will permit these planes to be towed from the existing runway system to and through the fence that is adjacent to that's between the uh uh airport property and the uh museum property that is just across the uh bio road from the airport. Um you pro you have received uh a map that shows the approximate location and the configuration of the uh uh of the proposed uh towway that uh we need to be able to construct. And of course, what we're asking for is uh a lease of land that will enable us to uh construct that towway. And uh hopefully uh 3 years will be enough for us to um uh to complete the additional acquisitions. But uh we had been discussing also with the city uh with the city attorney and the uh uh airport the possibility of a three-year option to renew the lease for another 3 years uh if we need to to uh finish bringing the uh initial planes in. after the lease has expired, the uh the towway will simply become the property of the airport. Uh

I think the uh there's a lot of good things about Roswell that this uh that that makes it attractive to have our project here. One is that the weather is fairly mild and uh the means the deterioration of the planes that are stored outside uh will be held to a minimum and uh and the uh proximity both Roswell Airport has some planes that we would like to acquire from the boneyard uh and we have already acquired about five. I'm not sure whether they were Roswell planes or other. I suspect they were Roswell planes. The largest boneyard or holding place for planes out of service is next door in Tucson. And so that makes it very convenient for us to uh uh perhaps uh acquire a fair number of planes uh conveniently. Um, so I think um the other uh you have a a second uh handout also that simply dis describes or displays how the planes themselves might be displayed at the uh at the museum. It's essentially going to be outdoors. And uh you see that what what is exhibited there is the intention to have planes mimicking planes in takeoff. And the the in the oldest section, those planes will be on the ground. And then the as as you get further and further along, the uh planes

are are lifted off the ground. And uh that demonstration there is uh about 25 planes. And I think that uh probably we'll end up with somewhat more planes than that. Um, if you have questions, I'd be happy to to address them. If there are areas that uh you want me to talk more about, uh, I'd be happy to do that. Are there any questions?

Questions of Mr. Mesner from members of the council. The property that we're hoping to lease is about 166,000 square feet. Um, and uh I I don't know the exact length of the uh of the runway, but it's included, of course, in that uh it it's described within that 166,000 square feet that's in the lease. Council Johnson has a question for you. Council Johnson,

uh, are these airplanes just skeletons or are they going to be full capacity weight? They they'll be uh they will as envisioned currently and of course everything can change as time goes on. The engines, which is the heaviest part of the plane, would be likely removed when the plane comes onto the airport, but before it gets to uh the towway. So when when it is being towed toward the fence and through the fence, it will lack the engine, but other than that, it will be quite a complete plane. Thank you.

Okay. Yes, ma'am. Council lady more. This line won't have anything or hinder anything to do with the air that's coming that's farther south. So, wouldn't we any see any future problems with that little road that they're talking? Not the ones that sit. I know they won't do it, but I mean the way that road is going through, it's not anywhere near that generations at all. I is there uh if if that was a qu I didn't I couldn't hear clearly what was said. Was that a question posed to me? It should.

The question was, would these would the these uh planes or anything affect any of the air races or anything that we have? They're talking about Yes, Mayor James, members of the council, uh the road is on the southeast side of the airport and would not affect air racing operations. [Music]

We're real clear. If the question is about interference with airplane with airport operations, the answer is not at all. And we had to satisfy the FAA that uh this would not be uh uh a problem from the uh from the operational point of view from the airport operational point of view. And of course, both Bobby Thompson and Hessim, who we've been dealing with, were pretty clear that uh that was an important uh consideration. What are they going to do with the engines that they take out? Where do they

I'm sure if they're salvageable, they'll sell them. You know, I mean, they sit somewhere heavy. Yeah, they they'll sell them. They sell. There's a market for parts. Any further questions? I don't see any more questions. Is there anyone has any questions at all? Question is in a statement. Okay. Councilman Hillbrand to make a statement.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I just want to thank these people for coming to Roswell and choosing Roswell as their new home. This will add greatly to our tourism base. And uh again we want to thank them for doing that and thank the uh airport staff uh for spearheading this whole project. And again thank you. Yes.

And and one thing I would like to point out is one of the attractive things about being in Roswell is just the reception we have received. Everybody has been cooperative as well as being polite and as well as being uh accommodating. So as far as my people who basically are from the east uh have been concerned um they have just been overjoyed with the relationship we've had with the city and the county by the way.

Well, Mr. tremend it's only appropriate Roswell pretty much has a history of the not necessarily probably the birthplace of jet engines but certainly where they were perfected uh jet engines and liquid fuel rockets Dr. got him uh certainly did a fine job with that and I think this museum will add a lot to uh will add a lot of history to uh to the area that we have concerning what Dr. Goddard started and left us all the way they uh I guess nobody could really the Germans kind of followed Dr. daughter quite a bit and nobody can uh he developed V1 and V2 bombs that were very very efficient in England when they went over and ran out of fuel. They landed in London and and then you turn around and the Master Smmith 262 was the first jet fighter plane that was uh in and I guess probably the only jet fighter plane of World War II. But uh so we had there's a lot of history here about that. So, I think this museum, this is a good place for it. And uh so I I think it'd be it's another thing to add to our history. And uh hopefully when we get to redo our uh Rosal Museum, we can have some interactive exhibits about more of Dr. daughter work that he uh where he perfected liquid fuel rockets and jet engines here because certainly the Germans were watching and so there's a lot of history there but it would be I think it'd be it's very interesting u you know my first flight out of here was on a DC3 or C47 whichever it was and I in 196 about five and uh later we had Convair 580s I believe it

And then we had Texas International or Treetop Airlines was uh the DC9s. So we've had awful lot of planes here all the way from the 747 to lately it's the 777-9. So we have a lot of history of airplanes that are in commercial service. So it's uh it's I think it has a a lot to add to our the the aviation history we have. Uh and I think is our we look at our air races. Uh I think there's an awful lot of activities that are going on with the air races here that uh I think they have found a a really good safe home here. night. Uh, and we, as we'll hear hear later, I think we had very good showing in our air show and certainly the pilots were enthusiastic. So, I think everything is in pretty good shape. So, any further questions? Okay. So, uh, motion by Councilman Hillbrand, a second by councelor Johnson to approve item 26, approval of the Mexico Historical Air Museum to enter into a three lease beginning in October 1st, 2025, ending in September 31st, 2020 on a land parcel at the Roswell Industrial Air Force Center. The clerk will call the role. I will remind the body we have to have six uh a majority of six of all members of the governing body.

Council, pardon me, councelor Johnson. Yes. Councelor Oropes. Yes. Councelor Moore. Yes. Councelor K. Yes. Councelor Cortez. Yes. Councelor Don. Hi. Councelor Marco. Yes. Councelor Arnold. Yes. Councelor Halerson. Yes. Motion item 25 duly passes by voter ner negative. Uh thank you very much. Look forward to working with you over the next year. Thank you all.

Thank you. Thank you. So now we go back to what item 16 18 item 18. Okay, Miss Thompson, please give us some airport updates.

Good evening. Good to see all the councils again this evening and Mr. Mayor. So I will start out with some basic airport updates and then I will switch over to the chairman of the air races and CEO of the air races to give you sort of a wrap up 50,000 foot view of what went on. So first of all I'm pleased to report that our 5year CIP has been approved by the FAA. If you remember I brought that to you a few months back for review. So, we've been approved at $44,424,000. Now, an approval of CIB does not necessarily mean we get all the money, but it is a good first step. Uh the local match for that over the five years is $2,989,000. That includes 18 projects and only three of those are not pavement related. A lot of pavement out there and it takes a lot of maintenance to maintain it. Boyd has again come to Roswell. This time it's in a 737 Max. It's basically the same kind of testing where the water trucks go out and water down first 2,000 ft of the long 13,000 ft runway and then it's followed up by multiple landings and stopping the brake testing on the 737 Max. The good news, not only is it fun to watch from my office, honestly, but it also brings a lot of heads and beds and restaurant activity. So the revenue results from that are always very good for us. So passenger boarding for September were 5,317 versus 3,618 the same month in last year. Uh last month was 6 that was September and October we had 63. Now, the thing that bothers me a little bit about that is the fact that for whatever reason, and as long as I've been playing

at airports, I've never understood how airlines make decisions. But right before the races, they cut down to two flights a month, and they added the special flight just for the races coming in for a couple of days. Um, but the interesting thing were the activity as far as passengers was still up. So they're still planning through the month of October to have two flights a day and it's unfortunate but uh this their decision to make. They're not contracted to bring in more than what they think is appropriate for their m for their loads. So we hope that we can convince them that activity is good here and they'll continue their operations. Overall flight operations for the month of September was 1,795 versus 1,57. Uh the month prior to that it was 1,754. So you can see we're holding pretty steady and they've been increasing a lot. The parked aircraft and as mentioned in Boneyard is 189 which has been holding steady now for several months. uh security wise, which is always requiring extra work. We're doing some upgrades to our security, our access controls for a lot of the buildings along the air side of the airport that just have to be upgraded. We're working with the IT department and some of the local contractors to get that access updated. A lot of work going on in the airfield. I certainly have to thank the parks department as well because they've been very helpful. As all of you know, it's been raining a lot and when it rains, things grow a lot and things have definitely been growing at the airport. And we're trying to keep that all under control. If you've driven the front entrance to the airport recently, you'll notice that it looked very, very nice. Uh about three weeks ago, someone on Wyo Road uh in a brand new pickup truck somehow got airborne, went over a concrete barrier into our

security fence and took out about 40 ft of the fence. Uh I have seen the sheriff's report, which again I have questions on the sheriff's report. It's pretty vague. The gentleman driving the truck, we don't know who it was because he didn't hang around for us to find out who he was. Uh so a brand new truck was left jammed into our fence and we had to secure that fence. In fact, in order because of a 139 air carrier airport, we had to vacate our security personnel out there until we could get that fence back in good order. So that is now completed that we're very fortunate that only took us about 48 hours to get that done. Uh and they're still looking for the driver of the vehicle. Hopefully from either the VIN number on the vehicle or something, they could find out who that was and perhaps we collect insurance on that. So, vacant buildings, as you may know, we do have vacant buildings on the airport. And I did some deep digging on this and I found out that the age of those buildings that are still vacant range from 1942, I love it when something's older than I am, to 1985. And some of those have been empty for a while. And I'm sure all of you understand that when you leave a building empty, it's just not good for the building. So, we're trying to get those upgraded where it makes sense to upgrade and get those back in working order. Got about 17 different structures on the airport. None of those are airside. They're all office warehouse kind of space. So, we'll continue working on those. Uh generally size-wise, the smallest one's about 1,400 square ft. And the largest one, which is warehouse space, is about 22,000 square ft. And then also we're very happy to report that the brand new firetruck has arrived. I have pictures if you want to see it. You know how people show you pictures of kids? I show you pictures of fire trucks. It's an absolutely gorgeous fire truck. It's has twice the capacity of anything we had on the airport prior to that. It's absolutely amazing. Uh the mayor

got to check it out yesterday. The interesting thing about it is as massive it is and the capacity that it has and the things can do can all be done by the driver in the truck. he doesn't need anybody else to even help. So when you have some kind of a mass casualty incident or a major incident, the other guys can get the other trucks and they can really have good ability to fight the incident that happened with just one guy in that brand new truck. So I thank you for your time and I'd now like to introduce Mr. Fred Telly, chairman and CEO of the National Championship Paris.

Thank you, M. Bobby. Welcome, Mr. Thank you, Bob. Mr. Mayor, Councilman, thank you very much for the time. Normally, I speak off the cuff. There's so many things I'd like to cover tonight. Actually, wanted to make some notes. First of all, it's with my deepest gratitude and appreciation. To first of all, the city and the Hollyfields because without both of them working cooperatively, we would never have been able to make this the new home for the national championship races. I'll get in more detail, but the fact of the matter is the first bit of good news from my point of view is I view it simply close to a small miracle that everything that was accomplished in the last year has been successfully accomplished and we were able to launch relaunch the national championship air races in under a year from the time we basically announced and begin to do all the planning. and I'll be thanking many people at the end of this, but it was truly an incredible team effort. While as you know, we did have two of the classes that withdrew, I know that when the pilots that were here were so enthusiastic about most of them and been given those pilots somewhat unmercifully. Now, hopefully this won't make the paper, but I'm delighted that the more unmerciful they could be, the better from my point of view. But the fact of the matter is the four closed course pylon racers and the stole group were absolutely delighted with the course, the exposure. I think one of the comments that came back most of all was that as we saw at the beginning, but it took many people to make sure they saw it too, you could literally stand anywhere on the ground and you could see the pilots flying their planes all the way around the course without even having to be up in the grand stands or any place else. That kind of visibility

is unparalleled compared to what we had arena and in fact we got incredibly safe event and everybody pilots the fans were very enthusiastic attendance our current estimate and you know we'll refine it but our total attendance looks like somewhere between 55,000 and 60,000 and just to be clear for the committee total attendance means the number of people that we had there by the number of days. So if a person came three days, they get to count three times. The number that we're trying to isolate is so how many unique individuals does that represent? I don't have that number yet. The second thing to bear in mind is that is not equal necessarily total ticketing because among those count all the pilots, volunteers, staff, good number of people that were there to help make the event happen that don't necessarily buy tickets, but it does include all the people in the chalet. One of the things that I was very pleased with, we had 11 chalet in addition to our own. and all of the people that were in the chalet. I'm just delighted by both the opportunity for the hospitality, the wide number of people they were able to host among them a number of New Mexico amigos I understand and you know the word that I've gotten that I think has heartened me most is in spite of the rain that we had on Saturday in spite of some of the challenges in spite of the great distances because your facility here our facility with you is basically a good 35% larger than we've had. And while we didn't fill it all this year, as I like to say, we've got room for growth and we'll be making great use of it next year. I'm very optimistic we'll be able to bring back the other two classes and uh we're working with more

of the aircraft manufacturers to expand that area. So, I'm looking forward to 2026 with great enthusiasm. As I said, you all know better than I. I'm I'm a resident here, but just under a part-time resident. Since you choose to tax my other income, I'll be here exactly 3 days under 6 months. But I think you offered the same thing we have. Simple fact of the matter is everybody who was able to be there came away in spite of, you know, the hot weather one day, the rainy weather another day. They all had a good time. And the word of mouth throughout the city has really been very very impressive. Um notwithstanding that it is in Roswell Green map up there is not a map of alien sightings. That map is what we call our heat map. That represents all of the places where we've had ticketing in the United States. I'm pleased to say that 48 of our 50 states we have representation only for reasons I cannot fathom. Only the state of New Hampshire and the state of Vermont said no representatives for the races. I can't imagine why. It might have something to do with the fact they're way up in that corner. But then again, the state of Maine set people. So, who knows? It isn't they couldn't have gotten here, but we're very very pleased at 55,000 to 60,000. That's about half of what our traditional event has been. And so, you know, we know there are challenges. The fact of the matter is we probably hit our initial year limits partially from housing and everything else. But that being said, I think the simple fact that more people came and the people who did come, whether they were in RVs or found housing or were in Artisia and some were as far down as Carl'sb, I think the word of mouth is going to get out there. I

think next year's attendance is going to look much more strong and we're really excited about that. I think for the city of Roswell, as you've seen, the amount of social media exposure has been enormous. You know, we were we were very fortunate, not only to pull this event off with support of the city and the cabinet, but obviously enormous support from the state. And during the event, as you know, we were able to host Lieutenant Governor and five of the cabinet members, every one of whom played a role in making this event successful. um accolades from all of the pilots. And if any of you attended the awards ceremony, we are planning if we get all the final paperwork approved between the jet class, the FAA, and RARA. We are planning to be able to launch the first 600 mph approved course that we've ever had. And we announced that at the awards ceremony. The jet group went wild with enthusiasm. And uh just so that you know for your background, there are some things that go into it if we're going to do that course. Number one, it'll be a longer course. Um we are going to be able to expand some of the aircraft. So we have to have agreement on exactly which aircraft would be allowed. We have traditionally not allowed swept wing aircraft, but some of the aircraft that would qualify will be swept wings. So, we're going to have to revisit that rule. And we'll basically be requiring all of the pilots that participate in that course to do centrifuge uh training. So, that they get to get whipped around at 7 8 9 G's and see what it is to actually in in find G-lock and come back out of it. If none of you have seen some of the film of what this the very active military pilots go through

G-lock training, it's really quite amusing. They don't think so, but the people who get to watch the films do. Um, related to this, as you know, we've been very pleased our scholarship program. Bobby Thompson. I wasn't able to be here, but she and Sean Pal as the president of the university had the opportunity to announce, was it just last Thursday?

Just last Thursday, the first five airframe and power plant scholarship winners. Each of them are recipients now of a $10,000 additional scholarship. Working this in conjunction with the university will actually transfer the money to the university. The university works with the students and as many of you probably know a number of the students uh given backgrounds and uh income levels are actually covered as PEL students. So much of this money will actually be critical to them to help pay for the tools and a lot of the other materials they need they would not have had other access to be able to do. So, it's going to enable them to end up after their AMP training exceptionally better equipped. Uh, as you all know, and it's with a certain degree of pride, this particular AMP scholarship program is something Bobby and I have personally been committed and all of the money for it this year and in future years will probably continue to come to the two of us. We are absolutely delighted that took place. uh the press release has been drafted and I think we just sent approval for it to go out. So hopefully uh even the even the local paper will cover it tomorrow. So we're really pleased by that. I want to get close to touching on some of the issues that we do face as a challenge because it would be unfair of me to just paint too rosy a picture. Housing will be an issue. We know them. But working with the city, I'm optimistic we'll be able to expand the number of power and water facilities were we had. The fact of the matter is the RVers that were able to have access to them. Uh we're absolutely delighted and I think that much like Oshkosh in Wisconsin which when EA moved there was a much smaller place and over time they are able to host what they do largely because there's far more camping and far

more RVs and they have the benefit that when they host EA uh it's during the summer. the University of Wisconsin got business and even the University of Wisconsin opens up their facilities but unfortunately because we September the university can't do that. Um I think we'll have expanded camping and uh we we did learn as a result of the weather problem we had on Saturday we have to do better preparations for weather in the event that occurs. Uh everybody responded when that damor came exceptionally well. how we managed to get everybody in and under off the grand stands and in under tented facilities. It didn't matter which ones. We just housed them everywhere they could get. And in the end, the weather forecast were for more weather in the end of the day. So, we ended up cancelling. And wouldn't you know, God played a small trick on us. The weather in the late afternoon turned out to be absolutely beautiful. So we made it clear that everybody that came on Saturday could just come back on Sunday. Some couldn't but many many did and Sunday was a beautiful day and it was illustrative what I hope all the future will be here. We do need more people movers. We'll be acquiring them and we'll probably use more tractors. We we discovered that in many ways having not had as much of a parking load as we thought we would helped us enormously. But the distance is such we've got to do a better job moving people from parking to the front gate and from the front gate around the facility. So we'll be expanding all of that. So with that, I would just like to take a moment and you know it's always risky when you do this because there are so many people I'd like to call out for the council's

benefit um that I do run the risk of missing some. So my apologies if I do but there are so many people in the city that have made a difference without whom this event would not have been successful. So if I may Ruby Chavez parks and parks committee as Bobby referred to has done an enormous job doing so many things on the airport. Abraham Japaro who's a solid waste and landfill worked with waste management in the city to make certain that everything was taken care of. Andrew Baladz, my apologies for misprononunciation of wastewater and utilities. Without him, so much of what was done and available on site wouldn't have been done right for income for the streets. Uh it's amazing the support that we got for the airport to be able to do much of what was done. From a safety point of view, I just have to call out Steve Chavez, the fire chief, and Lieutenant Mike Fry, Roswell Fu. Both of them and their teams were just enormously effective throughout the event. Matt Rogers, the city engineer, is enormous. Bobby Thompson goes without saying, but you know, without Bobby in this role, uh much of what I coordinated and done would have been very difficult. And as I've said about him many times, Mike Matthews, the deputy city manager has in fact been just incredible leadership and his team. But to end it, I have to come back to the partnership that started it. Mayor Tim Jennings and Micah Spiritu without whom the two people who led the event that brought this journey here for us. To all of you, I just have to say thank you. Uh, I wear the shirt with pride and I am delighted to be a

resident here and I look forward to being here years into the future. My grandson's now seen three events. He's only three and a half. Well, he loved it here and uh he'll be back. So, the truth is, thank you all. I'd be glad to take any questions, but oh, I'm one slightly downward note. I walked into this event, you know, expecting to lose money because we are, after all, a notfor-profit 501c3. But I want to tell you that I excel in my role. I succeeded losing more money than I expected. I have proven once again, we are not for profit. But the fact of the matter is the council has to understand we came into this event with a kitty. We're here. We're keeping going. And we're going to see the future. and I believe every year we go forward it's going to be better and better. So, thank you. I'd be delighted to take any questions and I'm honored to have a chance to give this brief overview.

Do we have any questions from Mr. Tones? Just thank you, Councelor Aruba. First of all, I want to say thank you. Y'all put on a great show. Uh people did go to this show. They missed out. It was amazing. Bobby, you did a great job. Thank you, Mr. Kelly. Thank you. It was It was awesome. Well, I'm be I'm happy to go back next year.

Well, we look forward to it. We We're honored. But I have to say the team of people that's here and the support that you've given, just to speak about the museum for a second. The fact of the matter is, as you know, we felt the same thing. You know, the hospitality and enthusiasm of city, it's just, you know, it's infectious, it's pleasant, and it's unusual in the United States. So, I'm delighted to see it. Thank you. Did you Okay. Any further comments? Thank you, Mr. Collins. Thank you. I'm glad you still have the key. I still have it. I can tell you just where it is

and I'll give it back the day comes that we're not here, but I don't expect to be alive then. That's good. Great. Uh you it was fantastic and thank you for your your leading and uh madame clerk if you'd be sure the the record reflected he was gifted in some areas. Oh, excuse me. But thank you.

It's really been fun. It was good and it's really given it's given Roswell that the exposure that we really have to have to to get people leaving back in our airport and what we can do with it. And I mean every one of those pilots thanked us for the safety that we provided them. This was the safest race course they've ever been on. And I can't tell you and they love being able to see him go out and take off past the starting market and come around go all the way up and not fall behind a mountain. You could see him the whole way they were going and it was really good. Um, and we had all kinds of people that helped and went out the way, you know, all kinds of people and uh, no telling how many how many different things Frell Clim had to change and do, but I guess about the only welder we have in town. He we really put him to good to a lot of us use.

Sure did. He would he was fantastic. And you know, every time Bobby would wink at him, he'd get stuck with a little more, but he never he never gave up. But, uh, but our city employees were went and above and beyond. I mean, they did a lot of those RV spots. They did they cleaned up all in front of the terminal. I mean, they they worked and they worked all day Labor Day and everything. I mean, it was really, it's really good to see the spirit that we have back in our town and you know, it's going to turn into jobs and that's what we all want is more jobs for our kids. So, thank you very much, Mr. Telling. It was impressive

and ra Thank you. team you put together was just fantastic. Thank you all very much. And you know, Roswell doesn't our ra doesn't have to be Reno anymore. That's right. just so we get it straight. All right. Thank you all very much. Okay. Next we have Mr. Mr. Con. [Music] Welcome back. Thank you.

Good evening Mayor Jennings and Rosville city councilors. The AAC had our October meeting this past Tuesday on the 7th. We had mostly air center employees in attendance, including our newest city staff member, Miss Alicia Morales. We had some tenants present, one city counselor, one county commissioner, all AC member present. I want to thank everyone that was there attending in person. Then we also had several that attended online. Our agenda was lengthy again with 27 items to be addressed. We'll begin with some good news on projects. Omar Gonzalez reported that the 2023 2023 wind damage construction claim has finally been completed. Lot of effort to make that happen on the buildings out there. The uh bear with me on this next one. The ADB lighting and new electrical vault project continues. We talked about that before. ADB is still on site two weeks each month updating, installing, and replacing original airport uh runway lighting and wiring. The new electrical vault portion of the project is a more complex part of the project. As you'll remember, there are two original electrical vaults at the air center. Both vaults are functional, but are always in need of continuous maintenance. The problem with the existing vaults is the electrical equipment in those vaults that control the lighting is mostly original. If there is a problem with the equipment, replacement with older type

equipment is not readily available and the vault system is not wired or designed to accommodate newer equipment. The contractor has been directed uh through our meeting to hopefully identify some other electrical or older electrical equipment that can be utilized as spares if the need arises. Hopefully electric electrical equipment for the new vault will be available in less than six months. Uh most of you know that anything electrical is usually got a six-month lead time and the new vault will be operational hopefully by August or September of 2026. The status of the airport master plan remains the same after eight months of waiting on the FAA. The FAA contends that they're very short-handed to complete the plan review. There is still no time commitment for completion on the plan. The BLM loading pit and taxiway project will provide additional space for movement of large tanker aircraft for firefighting. This should provide a much more efficient slurry loading process. The loading pit portion of the project is completed. The additional taxiway construction has been delayed due to the recent rains. The soil needs to be fully dried out before base and paving are installed. Depending on rainfall stopping, which we sure don't want to do that, depending on rainfall stopping, the project could be

completed in the next 45 to 60 days. uh making it ready for next year's fire fire season. The map apron rehab project on the airplane side of the terminal may require a few years to complete depending on available grant funding primarily from the FAA. Part of that is what Bobby has talked about earlier, somewhere in the range of 44 million worth of repairs to things. Uh phase two of this project will consist of concrete removal and relaying the concrete that is damaged or deteriorated on the airplane side of the terminal building. The taxiway Charlie project has been bid and funding is available. It should be awarded mid October. This should be about a 30-day project, weather permitting. This is a$1.8 to2 million project. The terminal improvement project is slowly progressing on the main restroom area that's just west of the stairwell that leads up to the second floor. There's been a glitch in the toilet height uh in these two restrooms that still needs to be resolved. Uh the toilets are too low. Uh plumbing, tile, fixtures will need to be removed and reinstalled to accommodate uh where the toilets need to be. The restroom area expansion and renovation east of the luggage retrieval area uh will not be started until the uh two main restrooms are completed. The generator drawings and specs

uh will not be finalized for about another 60 days. This is the generator that is the backup generator to provide power to the terminal building if power uh if there's electrical service outage. Due to long lead times on electrical equipment, this portion of the project could be delayed until mid 2026 for final completion. The taxiway Charlie extension was completed prior to the air races with significant effort and coordination from all participants in the project. Mr. Telling just mentioned that that was one of the things that was just dirt about six weeks. Is that probably right?

Four.

Four weeks. Four weeks before the air races, it was just dirt. And those of you that were out there and saw what went on, uh, it was like a whole new world with that taxi way out there. Um, there are some electrical boxes that still need to be installed on the extension and that should happen in the next 30 days, completing the entire project. The Southeast Water Line project currently has the water line installed to the southeast corner of the air center. Uh utility installation for plateau and spark light is proceeding. The new sewer line installation is expected to be completed by the end of the first quarter of 2026. So another five plus months. All of these city utility extensions will be available for the new air museum that is to be located in the southeast corner at the southeast corner of the air center across Wyom road. The new permanent grandstands will be located in the same location as the temporary grandstand. The FAA has approved location and configuration slash height of the new grandstand. Hopefully, they'll be in place by late January of 2026. The 2024 flood damage repairs to the terminal building have all been completed. The city is awaiting FEMA reimbursement and the last item for information is that IEA will be will completely vacate the IEA building in business. This concludes my report. And I stand for any questions.

We council, do we have any questions with Mr.

Thank you very much. Thank you. I do have a comment, Mr. Mayor. No, no questions. I did attend that meeting yesterday and Mr. Clung gave a very complete report of exactly what did happen. very thorough. Thank you, Council Mayor. Thank you for what you do out there. Appreciate that. It's a team effort. The folks that are on that commission work really hard. Yeah. To help the city out. Thank you. Yeah. I think you got through about 4:30. Pretty good meeting.

Yeah. So, [Music] okay. So, actually go to item 26. Is that right? Item 20 20 flight revel. Okay. Okay. We'll go to item 20. Aflight provable hanger development proposal. Mr. H.

Good evening, Mr. Mayor, city council members. uh appreciate your time tonight having us uh able to propose uh our proposal to you. Um I was here probably six to seven months ago. Talked about aflight, what we do at the airport. We're the fixed base operator. U we've been at the airport since 2013. So we're going on our our 13th year next year. We've been in business now for for 30 years. And we have a presentation tonight. I'm Garrett Hayne. and VP of finance date height is Joe Mazaros. Uh vice president of operations. Thank you. Uh council. So I don't want to, you know, go back to everything we do. I think we we've talked a lot about that previously. Um but you know, there's a lot of things going on at the airport. You heard a lot of things tonight. Um all the exciting things with the races and everything else that is going on at the airport. And we want to be a part of that. We want to be a part of that long term. We want to we want to invest in the airport. Um Bobby has been an absolutely terrific partner since she she came onto the airport and we want to make sure it continues to go in the in the right direction. Um just a little bit about us. Uh we're headquartered in Ann Arbor, Michigan. We're privately owned company. Our sister company is Afuel Corporation who's the largest fuel supplier in the United States for uh aviation fuel. uh operate at 30 airports both domestic and international. We have 1,000 plus team members. We manage approximately 2 million gallons of fuel storage. Um we also have 2 million square ft of office and hanger space. And we also have done a lot of development in the last seven or eight years. We've developed over 200,000 square feet of office and hanger space throughout our network. And you know, a big piece of our business is

really understanding the community, becoming community focused. Um, we understand that, you know, we are the the front door to the community when someone flies in on a corporate job and we want to make sure that, you know, we provide that customer service for for the community. Uh, these are our locations. We're uh we have 26 FBO locations, but we also do a lot of ground handling for all the airlines. Um, Allegiance, a very large customer of ours. Um, American, Frontier, um, we fuel all the major airlines, Delta, um, Southwest, who am I missing? Val, JetBlue,

Breeze, Y. So, um, so these are, you know, our most recent location is Ogden, Utah, and Green Bay. Um, we also, uh, just started in Green Bay, Wisconsin. So those are a couple new additions I think since last time I was I was here um and presented a little bit about apply. So we're also in the cargo business. We have a international warehouse in uh Detroit at Detroit Metro Airport for Lutanza um which is another piece of our business that we're continuing to grow. So, what we're what we're looking at doing at the airport, we'd love to develop more hanger space out there. Um, 15 to 20,000 square ft of hanger. And throughout this presentation, there's some other things we definitely want to do that will help the airport grow as as uh as we grow. We want to, like I said, we want to grow with the airport. We want to be able to support um support the airport and and their initiatives. So, we would be looking for a long-term extension to our lease um for the capital investment that we we want to put into the airport. Um we'd be looking for a 30-year um extension uh from 2034, which are which is our current lease. So, the location of the new hanger, we have some ideas. Uh we really want to work closely with with Bobby and determining where exactly that should be. uh not only for us but you know the the master plan of the airport and what direction the airport's going into. So we just want to make sure we're collaborating and we put it in the best position for the future growth of the airport. We'd also look at building some office space on that uh on that hanger anywhere between 2500 and 3,000 square ft. Uh we just came from the airport earlier

today. Boing's out there. um they were talking about it earlier today, but you know there was over 90 people there. Um so we want to create a space not only for them but also for the Navy and other activities to support the airport. Um, we'd also do some improvement to the doors uh for all the existing hangers and uh another piece of we currently right now we're we're supporting the airport u with a mechanic through another provider at the airport. So we would look at hiring somebody locally on our team um moving forward in addition to the things I already mentioned. Uh this is again supporting future growth at the airport. This is not completed yet, but upon airport's completion of the paved uh taxi lane uh area, Affleate would seek to build box hangers on a new proposed development area on demand. So we would, you know, go out and look for people that wanted to bring bring their aircraft to Roswell and we would support them by building them a hanger and either leasing it long term or we would just build it for them and and sell it to them. Additional developments, we would look at putting a selfserve uh fuel tank in to provide um fuel at even a lower discount for people that wanted to use the selfs serve. So we look at investing in that. Um the tank would be proposed at uh well right now we're proposed over by the 91 ramp which is the I believe that's the north east northeast yeah northeast side of the airport. Um along with that um we would look at increasing our fuel farm. Right now we're doing somewhere between 2.2 to 2.3 million gallons. I think if

we got to a point where where it was 2.5 million gallons, we would make the investment to build on to the existing fuel farm. Um, you know, fuel farms aren't aren't uh inexpensive these days. I mean, we add added on recently. It's probably to put another tank on there, you're you know, at least somewhere between a quarter and a half million dollars. So, just wanted to look at or show you some of our our previous projects. So, we've, like I mentioned, we've done a lot of development in the last six years, and we've done a lot of this development at airports we're already at, um, supporting the growth of the airport. Traverse, this is Traverse City, Michigan. This was a specific customer that we've built space for them. 18,500 foot hanger with uh with office space. Uh this is Willow Run in Ipsellani uh Michigan close to close to Ann Arbor, our corporate office. Uh we added 30,000 square ft of uh hanger space along with uh 7,000 square ft of office space both for corporate uh primarily for corporate uh flight departments. You can keep going. That's kind of the same. This is Grand Rapids, Michigan. Uh we built ground up. We started uh FBO in in Grand Rapids. We built uh up to 45,000 square ft of hanger space there and another 5,000 square ft of uh our FBO. So, this was a complete ground up. We came in as a second FBO on the airport and uh developed 30,000 square ft. And then by the time we were done with that, we we built another 15 because we filled it up so quickly. So, it was a really really good uh opportunity to continue the growth there.

Yeah. This is our second hanger that we built um onto the the uh original 30,000 ft. Uh Milwaukee, Wisconsin. We built the FBO there about 3,300 square ft. That was back in in 2019. Again, we bought a very large hanger and added on to it with a with the FBO facility. And then this is Harrisburg. So, we were in Harrisburg since 2006. And um we ended up building a brand new FBO and renting out our old FBO to another customer that that wanted it and built 30,000 square ft of hanger space. So, we've got probably 75,000 square ft of hanger space in in Harrisburg now. And, you know, it just shows the the amount of growth in that in that market. And we, you know, invested some significant capital in order to to keep up with the growth. This is what we use and this kind of pertains to some of the box hangers, but our software that will, you know, analyze exactly, you know, how big a hanger you need, what you need to develop based on our software package, um, and determine, you know, surprisingly, you know, we've seen this done before where people have built hangers of the wrong size and, you know, to to fit their aircraft. And you wouldn't think that could possibly happen, but but it does. So we've uh we're very uh you know cautious and uh you know very systematic on how we go about building our hangers.

So yeah that's the end of the presentation but you know like I said we're we're really looking forward to the future here and we really want to be a good partner and and uh be a part of the the future development here. Thank you. Do we have questions from members of the council? Questions?

Well, sorry. I I just had a few and and I'm I'm not I don't intend to throw blame or anything else. I'm just going to tell you I think in the past administration that we had I don't think they encouraged general aviation at all. And I can't tell you how many complaints I got because aviation fuel here was $2 higher than $2 higher a gallon than it was in Artisia. So a lot of people moved down there and uh the past administration didn't uh promote general aviation uh hardly at all. And uh and I think uh it's it's a shame in the situation general aviation how it got to Rosal and the shape it was in uh I would tell you uh when I met Mrs. Thompson with Bobby Thompson and and looked at her and talked with her when we were when we met uh when she was coming here for the air the air races and and looking at our facilities. Uh I found someone who was very friendly to aviation general aviation. uh somebody who was in tune with safety and uh I have to tell you I uh somebody I can put a great deal of trust and respect to uh and I can't believe you how happy it made me when I talked with her about some of the things and one of them was aviation fuel and how come we were $2 a higher gallon and why do we have so many people go and if you go look in Artisia the conditions in Artisia are much better now. they are a lot wealthier community than we are per capita wise

and I understand that but uh I I would just say that uh we one of the things I think we were supposed to we were supposed to have an aviation mechanic on duty for all the other general aviation or somebody that they could at least deal with and I don't think that was uh I just I really was quite upset with the things that were going on here uh in in our facilities. And uh so I uh it's been one of my goals ever since was to build our general aviation population back up and make it a strong thriving business. And uh and to be quite honest with you, I was extremely upset with what was going on. And uh first positive response I received was when I talked to Miss Thompson and I complained about and I I always sorry I probably complained about the the fuel crisis. And uh she says, "Well, I got it." And when she told me that, I said, "Wow." And I I mean, but every other thing she's touched she's done a very fine job with. And uh [Music] I guess I I right off I I just have some reliance in in uh in putting long-term leases out there that there's not a way that can protect the city uh and having making ensuring we have decent service. And uh I I don't mean that bad because I I I understand from our past administration it was not real friendly to general aviation. And u but I mean I so I don't I'm not saying it's all your fault. I'm

just saying that we're in a position now to move forward and uh and I just I I want a commitment that we can move forward and we have to work together. Uh you know, we had a deicing machine over here and that nobody could keep it working. So for a long time this year we couldn't get American Airlines planes out of here because we didn't no one had anything to deic the plane and you know for probably six 6 months one winter we don't how many planes we had to wait to get them deiced and maybe was a year or two or you know we we we need a good partner.

Mhm. And uh you know it's and that that's all I ask for is that we have a good partnership and uh and we stay tuned. I I'm really reluctant on long-term leases if unless you know it's something that's good for both of us

and and I just I just want can't sit here and let you go away and think that I'm not going to look at things. As far as I'm concerned, I love aviation and I got my license and everything else. And then I actually probably figured out I can probably drive there faster in a car than you can get there in an airplane. So I haven't flown much. But and you don't have to put that in the paper either. But uh but that's just the truth. But uh so I I hope uh with Bobby's help, I mean I think I we can work something out. But I I'm going to tell you that we that lady there is is one lady that is loves general aviation and will be here on top of it till hell freezes over. She is a fantastic lady. She has fixed our leases all across the airport. We don't have people monthtomonth anymore. We had almost every lease month to month. She's gotten that fixed. And uh so you know, as long as we can both get along and make her happy, I think we'll be fine. But uh I I I really must say that I was I was concerned about the shape of it because I really got tired of seeing airplanes going to Artisia and uh and you go down there and look at the differences and I I agree 100%. our past administration was not friendly to people who might might have wanted to build a hanger here and uh and and we need we need to get in there. You might not have all the business, you might have part, but we've got to work that out to where we're all in this thing together to make this airport number one in this whole region. And that's that's my goal. Uh we have the safest place in

the world. Uh, I think I happen to have some things to do with that air flying base, the pill the uh DC10 and the firefighting thing over there because I fought fires for a long time and I know the value of those planes. Even when they dump on you, it's not so bad, you know. So, uh, they can do an awful lot with those planes. And with those DC tents from here, uh, it can go 6 or 700 miles all the way around here and cover an awful lot of Texas and New Mexico and some of Colorado. I mean, we can do real well. And if we can get clearances going over White Sands, it can be a lot quicker, too. So, there's a lot we can do and a lot we can do together. And so I I would hope uh you know we we we have to be able to work together on this and make sure that uh anybody who comes in here and has a small problem with their airplane can get it fixed in a timely manner and uh and go about to business. So, uh I just want to tell you that's just me and uh but it's just something I really detested when when our old people that were here which they weren't they had a lot of issues too when they sold the deicing machine in a in a junk sale and you thought we don't have one and and so somebody needs to have a deicing machine that works if we're going to have commercial airlines here. So, and I I don't I don't mean to chew on you, but that's just that's my gut. So, thank you. And thank you very much. And I would look forward to increasing hangers here and making them

where uh you know I just hope that you have the facilities to make them pigeon proof because that seems to be something that we need around here is pigeon proofing everything we can. So thank you all very much. And if you have anything you want to say to me that's fine too. Huh? No no thank I appreciate the comments. Um, you know, but we we recognize what what you recognize with Bobby too and the changes at the airport and you know that's this is the most investment we've ever wanted to put forth at the airport and you know we see the future here and we we feel very strongly about it and and there's you know reason for it. We've seen the changes. So

well and I know you were responsible for some of the changes here in the management styles and stuff. So, I do thank you a great deal because I I do think that we're all going in the right direction now. Great. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay. Next, we have item 21. Uh TC best uh TCS community solar project arousal local savings amendments. Ben Thomas and Brad Tito, director of the committee for energy and power to market. Yes, sir. Welcome,

Mr. Mayor. Counselors. My name is Ben Thomas. Uh most all of you know me, but the ones that don't. Anyway, three years ago, uh opportunity uh by state mandating that uh utility companies allow individuals to come in and put a community uh utility as far as solar goes. And uh uh and we worked hard to uh there was 400 contractors in the state in New Mexico buying for one of these opportunities and uh with being the key word uh mandated by the state that it was community. They didn't want companies coming in from all over putting any solar projects and not using uh state resources and all that. Uh with that being said, I've been in the construction industry for almost 50 years and uh in in Roswell uh I ended up getting to uh uh and awarded one of these uh projects through sale. Uh it's our area and our utility. Uh they weren't real for it because it was mandated by the state, but they worked with us and it's it's worked out. It's uh been quite of an experience, but I think it's well worth the effort that we've put into it to uh uh provide this kind of facility for the

community. Uh it's not only Roswell, but being the size that I ended up having to work with because of the substation uh we didn't get to build as as large one as we wanted to but uh and this is available uh anywhere there's uh Excel uh service utility service but primarily uh I want really wanted to let everybody in Roswell was kind of selfish, but I'd like for everybody in Roswell to have an opportunity to uh to take advantage of this. And with that being said, I uh are subscriber uh company that takes care of all the the uh the billings and stuff like that and can explain how this works. Uh, most people know on solar that, hey man, I've had friends and and everybody that's tried to sell me solar panels for our house and uh you know that that uh has kind of burned a few people and so uh that has nothing to do with community. So, uh, then also everybody knows that we have out on Pine Lodge a huge commercial that has nothing to do. This is strictly uh in in compliance with uh basically a utility company is what we built. And so it lets uh uh lets folks uh

in the area be able to participate in uh the renewable energy. uh it it'll help and Brad will explain the savings and how it works and uh hopefully you get it clarified and mostly wanted to come to the the council uh being that you know this hometown stuff uh things get out and and people obviously try to call the council and find out hey what's going on well we want to be able to treat you want to be informed and it really works and uh be able to explain people what they do and so I like to start at the top and that's where we're at. Anyway, uh this is Gre uh with Power Market and he'll take it from here. Thank you. Thank you, Ben. I'm Mayor Jennings, members of the council. Thank you very much. My name is Brad Tio. I'm the director of community energy at Rocket. Uh, as Ben mentioned, this is a locallyowned, state approved clean energy project that will help residents right here in Roswell save on their electricity bills. Um, the the site uh is well underway. There's it's near completion. It's actually going to be completed by the end of the year, but you can see in the picture on the first slide, uh, you know, there's construction crews, there's trucks, there's local electricians. All this activity represents real local jobs and investment happening right now in Roswell. And this is not an out of town development. This is Roswellled effort built by local workers, owned by a local business, and designed to deliver lasting benefits to local families. Uh it's uh it's really Roswell built for Roswell. Um so who we are, you many of you know Ben. He's a longtime Roswell

business owner who runs the cabinet shop. He's also the owner of the project and the general contractor overseeing the construction. Ben has partnered with Synergy Energy, a experienced project developer to bring the solar farm to life. And lots of local contractors are contributing like J&G Electric and others here in Roswell who are supporting construction and installation. Um, at Power Market, we manage enrollment into the project and handle all customer support and communications with residents and small businesses. The project is again locally owned, locally built, and uh designed to directly benefit Roswell families, businesses, and Roswell's future. The project is on Ben Thomas' land up near the intersection of the Roswell bypass and Highway 285, just behind the um Bolero gas station. It's about a 15 acre site where the solar panels are being installed. So, we're not talking about putting solar on a rooftop somewhere. It's a 15 acre uh generating facility. Uh it's 2.6 megawws. That might not mean much, but it's enough to h uh to power hundreds of homes and small businesses right here in Roswell. And as you can see from the photos, the construction is nearly complete. Most of the panels are installed uh and more are being delivered and mounted over the coming weeks. Much of the steel, electrical equipment, and solar panels were made in the United States. That's a feature of this project. And construction will be finished again by the end of the year. local jobs, economic investment right here in Roswell. Uh but community solar, this allows households and small businesses to subscribe. Whether you're a renter or a homeowner, you can subscribe to this local project and then receive bill credits that lower your electricity costs. And it's actually guaranteed savings. There's no rooftop solar power uh rooftop equipment or in installation of any type. You just join a project, a resident subscribe uh to the farm. They uh the project produces

clean energy. It's fed into the local grid and you save automatically. Uh you continue receiving electricity from Excel. Uh but now you earn these solar bill credits tied to your share of the project's output. And these credits appear directly on your Excel bill, reducing your total cost each month. It's a simple, transparent way to save money while supporting local clean energy. Again, no cost, no hassle, no charge. Uh no changes to your utility supplier. Um this program is part of a state approved and state regulated community solar initiative. It was created under the community solar act of 2021 and it's overseen by New Mexico's uh public regulation commission or PRC. Every community solar project in New Mexico operates under these same strict rules uh ensuring transparency, fairness, and consumer protection. The program was designed specifically to help families lower their energy costs while supporting these local projects to be developed. Uh under state law, at least 30% of each project's capacity must serve households that meet certain income limits. So here in Roswell, the T TCS community solar project goes even further. We've reserved 50% of the project for lowincome or income qualified households. Uh this is again a state regulated transparent program. savings are guaranteed by the way it's structured and approved under state law. Now, we've mentioned these income limits. They're determined by they determine who qualifies for the higher savings under the New Mexico Community Solar Program. So, a family of four earning less than 55,000 a year qualifies for the f full 30% savings rate. So that's like that could be up to 30% off of your electricity cost by just enrolling and connecting your account to this program. Uh that's uh based on 80% of the area median income. If you're below that,

then uh you can participate in that. But even if you don't have those income limits, if that doesn't apply to you, every household, small business, or organization in Roswell can participate and save up to 10% on their electricity cost. So, it's open to every Roswell resident, but for low income, it gives you a little bit more savings for those most in need. Um, these savings are ongoing and automatic for 20 plus years for the life of the project. And once enrolled, you receive these guaranteed deal savings every month and no inter interruptions, no hidden costs. Uh, it's a simple formula. No cost to join, no equip equipment required. And this is Ben Thomas's project built right here in North Roswell. uh and residents can connect directly for these uh guaranteed savings. Um now the challenge that we face is that most of these residents don't even know the problem the program even exists. Um and that's where the city of Roswell can make all the difference. Uh because when the city helps residents understand and access these these benefits, families start saving. And so let me ask you, you know, do you pay your Excel electric bill? Would you like to save some money? uh there uh the answer is is most definitely yes. And then it's easy to see why this would be in the interests of the residents of Roswell because it can lower theirs and it's really in everyone's best interest. And so we're asking the city uh a very straightforward request which is to approve a letter inviting residents to participate. We've done this in in actually dozens of communities across the country and it's consistently generated hundreds of or even thousands of enrollments. Uh, and this process is really proven uh, and effective. And here's the difference. You know, if we hand out these, I included some of these flyers, right? So, if we hand these out, we put something in a newsletter, we do a post on social media, we might get, you know, a couple dozen people to participate

for travelers in New York when two planes collided at Laor. When the city helps res residents understand and access these savings, then we're starting to talk about hundreds or you know hundreds of enrollments. So if the city works with us to send a letter to every house, we'll reach everyone and hundreds could sign up. Uh and this comes again with no cost and no staff time for the city. Power Market handles all the design, mailing, translation, tracking. The letter is bilingual, will have English and Spanish, and it's reviewed and approved by the city before anything is sent. All we're asking tonight is for your approval to work with the mayor's office uh to send this letter to residents as soon as possible. We're on a tight time frame. Project must be filled by the end of this year. And with your support, Roswell Families will be the first in line to benefit. Um, and again, no expenditure whatsoever at all by the city. Uh, in summary, this is a locallyowned, state authorized program. With the city support sending this letter, we can make sure these savings stay right here in Roswell, uh, helping hundreds of families. So, thank you very much, and we're happy to answer any questions.

Yes, sir. Councilman or Pressa. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Is is this property in city limits or is it in county? It's just outside of the city limits. So it's county, correct? Okay. And so if it doesn't cost the people anything to sign up and get 30%, 10% whatever the case may be, where do you guys make the money?

Yeah, good good question. I we are the the New Mexico's program provides a mechanism for people who are investing in these projects like Ben uh and his subcontractors like Power Market and the other vendors that are working for him. You know, there's money coming to to Ben, but part of the requirement is that if Ben gets that money, then those savings have to go to the people participating in these projects. So there there's a payment being made by the customer for these credits. So if you get a $100 in credits on your Excel bill, that means your bill is 100 $100 less than it would have been. But you pay $70 for that through a second bill. So that's how we get paid. That's how Ben gets paid, but at the end of the day, they got $100 off their bill. They paid $70 for that. So, it's a savings of $30 net.

Always eats up the $30 savings. Well, it's by the fact that the solar is less expensive than the electricity that we're generating on the grid. So, Excel Energy, if if people go to this system, Yeah.

what kind of effect is it going to have on Excel Energy as far as their money is concerned? Well, you know, these projects are generating electricity. That's electricity that Excel doesn't need to purchase on its own, right? So, there's a value inherent in the fact that there's this 2.6 megawatt project generating electricity, putting that electricity on the grid, and that's going into everybody, you know, that's helping feed the entire grid. So, that's all electricity that Excel doesn't have to to buy. So, there's a question of, well, what's the value of that electricity going out? And that's where they get these payments set up through the public, you know, regulations to pay Ben for his project and to make whole the investors that built the project in the first place.

And the construction for this facility which is in the the county, was it approved by the county commission or is it approved by the state or? Well, the project itself was locally permitted and approved and then the uh but not through law, right? Not through the city. It's in the county, but it's again it's just outside the city limits. But that being said, uh they had to have this project approved in terms of it following all the proper regulations. And then Excel Energy is, you know, turning the project on. It's interconnecting with the grid. There's a lot that goes into making these projects happen.

To go with you, it's very complicated as far as I'm concerned. So I I don't know whether to really be able to support it or not to support it. Well, it's savings to Roswell residents. So, we hope you do support it because at the end of the day, the rates are going up and this is an opportunity for people who are in need to save some money. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Mr. President. Any further questions?

So, yeah. So, Excel There's no further questions. Excel has uh that there you're buying their power. They're buying your power. RXL is so they don't have to produce it. But do they still have to uh maintain uh the uh ability to produce your powers if something happens and your system goes down? No, because it's a it's a micro fraction of the general amount of electricity. So, and there's there's grid management to take care of that. If the system goes down for whatever reason, then the credits don't appear on people's bills and he doesn't get paid to, you know, pay back his finances. So, it's really on him that that gets hurt if the project stops generating electricity. But, you know, it should be free and clear to generate electricity for 20 plus years. Well, 10 or 15 years ago, I did a similar program where I put in my all my solar on my roof and and the next thing that happened was Excel came along and they were paying us they paid us quite well to to generate that because they had to have so much of their power mandated by law to be produced and uh solar-wise and uh but then the next thing that came happened they they put like a I want to say a 3 or 4% tax on on was on the people who were generating the solar electricity that they had to have in their machine. They charged that for charged that to us a tax on us to maintain the lines we had so they could get the the electricity back to them. Seemed like that's the way it worked. Uh but they came back and they increased the rates uh to that we had to pay to use their lines to give them back the electricity that they wanted. and I'd have to go look probably have to get

working in here to decide to do it. But uh to explain it, but uh I just thought that was kind of weird. I I don't know. I I know with all the AI and things that we have coming here, there's going to be a huge demand of power and uh it appears to me if we're all doing away with coal fire stations talk all the almost all the tech the uh power generated by by uh Excel Energy in this area or southwestern public service is coal fired or natural gas fired and I don't I don't know who don't have any nuclear or anything else, but that's where it all is. Uh, so I I keep wondering about uh I know an XL has a time for to stations and for those coal fired plants to go out, but we uh somewhere we've got to add more generation capability here. Uh, and I know in this state when we had a they had a 38 mph wind one night in Amarillo and it shut down all the uh wind turbines over there cuz at 38 they turn off and that caused a blackout that came across New Mexico and it brown out the gas and then that took the uh when when the electricity brown out the the uh facilities that remove water from the they come out of the natural gas store to fire the gas fired plant. Uh when that stuff came out, the lines became plugged and they couldn't deliver enough natural gas to fire up the turbines to uh to run the electricity and and what happened was they didn't they didn't brown out Albuquerque. We took off all all the way up to TAS and uh and so and that way just because then they knew exactly where their lines were that were

short or where they had to go restart. But uh some of that's something to look at, but we still have to maintain that we have the capacity to to produce when the sun doesn't shine. Sure.

Or the clouds are like maybe even for us over here. Maybe when Houston browns out again or freezes up because they don't put uh antifreeze in their wind in their wind turbine uh as like they had a couple years ago. Uh we've got to figure out to make sure that the power is there when we need it. Well, the the the generation happens during the peak summer when everybody's blasting their air conditioning and that's feeding right into the grid that everybody is using for those air conditioning units. So, it's helping to some extent to make the system more resilient to blackouts, you know, just by virtue of having these systems on. But again, this is a small system. It's community solar. This isn't industrial scale solar. These are 5 megawatt or lower projects. They're fairly small. Yeah. So,

is this sim the the project that's going in up uh on the south side of Roswell on by the airport? Yeah, it's pretty much by the airport. There's a southside looks to me like it's generation facility. Yeah, that might be also there was two that were awarded for our area. Those lines from the north one and then uh uh I forget the other company's name. uh they're out of but yeah we have two and so uh they'll they'll be available for also the same thing that we're we're asking same thing

and so but uh not on the the solar part as as opposed to the wind turbines uh they of course the wind turbines, they they claim that they can run 247 and all that, but we all know we've got them all around here. You don't see it's kind of amazing how many times you see them very very expensive to maintain. Uh once the the solar is in, uh it's it's pretty well taken care of as far as more money. I mean, yeah, there's going to be some inverters go out and there's going to be, you know, of course, everybody fears the hail part, but I've had a solar signal, a personal one, in my house for 15 years, and we've gone through all the hail storms and all that. We had absolutely no problem. But anyway, uh to answer the question about this being in the county, uh yeah, I uh we went through planning and zoning, uh do the territorial, uh go through all that, uh quite an extensive uh to get that permit. I went through that and then uh uh the only thing is what this uh project will generate and I'm hoping that the city gets part of it. Uh just the road sees tax on this project over a quarter of a million dollars. But then also what's on all the buildings and all that is going to be generating some type of tax and I don't know being that it's in the county

uh council had mentioned that uh maybe the city will get some kind of substitution tax but yeah it's

but thank you for volunteering to have us at you. That's so that'll be very very very beneficial. We'll ask you now and so but Mr. Thomas, thank you because you did you kept you as always you do a good job and you keep uh you stay use local people. Thank you very much. That's good. So, well, this kind of be an interesting comment, but you know, there's a there's a huge tax credit on every one of those wind turbons and they kill so many eagles and birds are great. Oh my gosh, it's terrible. And these don't they don't birds can fly right over them. It doesn't fry them or anything. They just keep on going. And it might be a good place for us to reach those pigeons and we get rid from the airport.

Any further comments? Thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Out of state.

Okay, we have item 22, out of state travel. Interesting. I know you're not like good evening, mayor, city councilors. Um here to talk about the out of state travel we got coming up. Well, we're there right now. October 8th through the 12th. We're at a swap competition in Texas. Um these swap competitions just like the last one a lot of the training involved and it's real life scenarios so it puts us actually against other teams and it helps with our training also helps I believe in civil liability later on the more training we have that we can show it'll help uh for when we have these situations. Second out of training, out of state training is K9 officer Pat Silvas. He'll be going to Southland, Texas for a hands-on criminal interdiction workshop. This will assist him in gaining the skills and knowledge to better perform his job as a K9 officer. This also the more training on a K9 for when we um do searches on vehicles and stuff. It'll help in court. The last one that just got added, um, we are sending Sergeant Trong W and Brad Bailey to the IAP conference in Denver. We haven't sent anybody in 2 years. It's a valuable training. They have uh those little workshops for the officers to go to. We usually send higher ranking people, but we figured um in the next year we're going to lose probably half of our command staff to retirements and such. So we're going to send sergeants this year to get the valuable experience for that for you know when they promote

up. I stand for any questions. Does anyone have any questions of Chief Bman on the training? [Music] Thank you very much.

Okay. Next. Okay, now we have 22. Okay, we have public participation inviting. Anybody care to speak before the council? Uh we have on here you can state if you're up for item 23, you can either speak now or you can wait till item 23. But we had uh there's Sarah MacArthur that would like to speak about the flood of the Ros Museum and Art Center and Lori Rof that would like your speed on the museum and flood recovery recovery. And I think those two would you like to go ahead, Mr. MacArthur?

Thank you, mayor. Um, thanks for taking the time to listen to this. Um, to the city councilors and the honorable mayor. Um, a river ran through us. Last October, Roswell faced what experts have now classified as a 500 years flood. A disaster so rare it carries just a 0.2% 2% chance of occurring in any given year. But it did occur. And it didn't just wash through our streets. It surged through our stories, our infrastructure, and our sense of safety. The Spring River, usually a quiet companion to our daily lives, rose with a force that breached roads, overwhelmed drainage systems, and reached nearly six feet inside the Roswell Museum. That museum, our cultural heart, became a symbol of both devastation and resilience. Paintings, archives, and artifacts stood submerged, but our community stood together. Some called it a 100red-year flood at first, but the truth is more sobering. This was a 500year event. That means we weren't just unlucky. We were unprepared for something statistically extraordinary. And now we must respond with extraordinary care. And respond we have. I want to thank all the people of Roswell, city workers, first responders, museum staff, neighbors, friends, family with sandbags and casserles for rising to this challenge. You didn't wait for perfect conditions. You showed up. You rebuilt. You reminded us that civic strength isn't just in policy. It's in people. But let this moment be more than a memory. Let it be a movement. Because if a river can run through our museum, then

surely our voices can run through every decision that follows. We need more of us at the table, more volunteers, more voters, more visionaries. We need civic engagement that's not just reactive, but proactive. That doesn't just rebuild, but reimagines. So, let's make this flood a turning point. a call to invest in flood mitigation, a cultural preservation, and in the kind of planning that honors both science and story. Let's make sure our civic rituals, our meetings, our ballots, our conversations carry the same urgency and care that we showed in crisis. Because Roswell didn't just survive a 500year flood, we proved we're ready to shape the next 500 years. Thank you. Oh, and I live at 609. Thank you. Thank you, M. Next, we have Lori Roof. Miss Roof.

Hi. Good evening, honorable mayor and city council members. I'm Lori Roof. I reside at 141 Tiara Grande. I have 40 years experience in the museum field, including a combined 24 years serving as both the assistant director and director of the Roswell Museum Art Zone. So, the museum means a lot to me personally and I know it means a lot to the community. Built by the people and for the people, the Roswell Museum is deeply rooted in its community since its inception and has been a cultural and educ educational anchor, a source of pride and engagement, a tourist destination, and an economic driver. The community is highly vested in its success and its rebirth. The near demise of our beloved museum has a silver lining, a rare opportunity to re-imagine the museum as a cultural icon within the city'scape. A potent catalyst for beauty, creative experience and knowledge. As the one-year flood anniversary nears, people are asking in the community, "What is happening with the museum?" I've heard it numerous times. Mayor Jennings graciously took my phone call on Monday to answer my question, "What is happening?" I learned that one option being investigated is to rebuild the museum on the New Mexico Military Institute campus on high ground. It's an idea that has merit, but it

might not be be the only option. After our talk, I started thinking about museums and how they bridge communities. Currently, there is no planning apparatus in place to consider insights and ideas to evaluate the efficacy of options. The process to reimagining our museum should not be in isolation. I'm pushing for transparency and a process that draws upon multiple perspectives, ideas, and creative solutions. I'm respectfully urging you to form a planning task force of knowledgeable, visionary people who represent the core areas of expertise necessary for the success of the undertaking of rebuilding this museum. people such um as local government, the museum's professional staff, the trustees and the foundation board members, civic and museum planners, architects and engineers, economic development, and museum advocates from various fields of experience.

Excuse me, your time is up. Thank you very much. I hope you plan on creating a task force. any member of the council council lady or

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, ladies, that was um very well said, very poetic and very beautiful. Thank you. And um I see the museum I remember standing beside it and watching it flood. Um and I see the museum as something that belongs to the people. So, I completely agree that your request should be considered for a task force committee so that the people can decide what to do with their museum. Any further comments? Councilor Preston.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, you know, if it's my understanding even before I got on the council that the museum was a city facility owned by the city, operated by the city. And and since this this uh disaster that that happened, obviously a lot of the a lot of the uh work and so forth has fallen on the museum people to try and figure out what what the next step is going to be. And so I I don't know. But I I think um these three these three individuals have a good suggestion to to form a a committee to look at it. And if indeed we want the museum to continue being a role museum instead of a a private museum. And so, and I understand that uh one of the important things for for the museum people is to try and keep the museum downtown as much as possible. And so I I would hope that the staff and the council would consider creating this uh task force and see what kind of direction we could we could go. Uh I I don't uh Chad I I think I talked to you some uh because they're having problems

with the uh the art pieces, especially the ones that are big and and so my understanding was that you were going to see if you get the uh TMC building to to see if you could store those over there. I hope I'm not mis uh misspeaking, but that may be a temporary uh solution. But if we want a real a real museum like the one that we had, then I think u it's going to take take a lot of work and a lot of money. And I I do know that there are donors in the community that are willing to fork out some money. So, it's not a total uh city project, but the first step, I guess, is forming the task force and hopefully we can go ahead and take the step and form it and see where it takes us. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

Thank you. Any further comments? Sorry, Juliana. Go ahead.

No, I agree. Um, I've asked before in the past for a committee to do this because I think we need to work with people who have experience with the museum. You know, they have a passion to build the museum better and we need to make it where it's sustainable for, you know, years and years in the future. And if we have a committee that would determine the best, you know, course of action, we can draw on their expertise and and other people's perspectives so we can create a museum that reflects, you know, our history, culture. So that's all I have. Okay. Yes, ma'am.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Sorry about that. Um, ladies, I do kind of have a question. currently. Um, is there a team of you working together? Um, do you [Music] have a foundation?

Hi. Um, we're just all artistic friends and we're just wondering. So, um, you know, not necessarily we haven't formed anything. We're just friends, you know, that go to art openings and have conversations. Um, I think our general tenor is that this is a huge opportunity. I mean, it's big. I mean, yes, we had a we had this horrible thing happen, but it could be so big. I mean, the sky's is the limit and we'll get the money. The money always comes. The money always comes. So, we need to think big as a planning event, as an art museum, as a, you know, planetarium. All all those things, classes, more classes, and make it a cultural thing. You're always talking to him about wanting people in this community and having our children stay here. Then let's give them a reason to stay here, right? So, let's make it big. That's my love.

All right. Now, I've told every almost everybody in here, we will have it. We will get a committee going. Oh, good.

We can't put the cart. We probably will. I don't know. can't tell you who all is going to be on it, but we we can't get the cart before the horse. The first thing that has to be done is the FEMA has to determine that our museum is not salvageable and to what level they are going to be able to fund it. And we the city is ahead of the game. We have absolutely no bonding capacity left. Not anything. $90 million in debt. We didn't do that. That was already done. But we have sit there and we have we have planned we enacted a a gross receipts tax that 38 of a cent we were hoping it would bring in and maybe with the lower interest rates maybe we can get $70 billion. FEMA will not begin building any projects unless you have the cash. they won't do it. So, it doesn't do us any good to have a big committee go out before anybody's determined what they're going to say or do. And we have no money. So, we are set up to have to get at least $70 million. I anticipate going to the legislature again and asking for at least another $75 million from the state. Now they gave uh they told us we had 150 million in the last legislature and when it came back on Friday afternoon it only had 50 million to go between all three all the three flood areas we have. And so that didn't help us much. But I'm committed to you. I've told you all that. I don't have a problem doing it.

But I am not uh going to get I don't think it's fair or right to go and have a whole planning museum our whole planning committee say we are going to uh build a whole new museum before FEMA has condemned it. I mean they have to make that decision. I can't see any reason why we can't already start rebuilding the uh civic center, but FEMA hasn't acted yet. Now, with all the turmoil going on in in Washington, I don't I don't know how many of us even really respect that they're ever going to get off their fanny and get going. I hope they do quit. But that's not a decision we're had. We've already had, you know, one person wants to do do away with all FEMA. But, you know, I guess maybe we were probably lucky that California burned up right after us. But then the only problem is California and New Mexico are both Democratic states. So maybe maybe that fits in his mold, too. I don't know. But I'm just saying I don't have a problem getting together and working on this. The only reason I talked to the general about it, it is above flood plane and it's right down the street from the Anderson Museum. And I think the Anderson Museum is something we also that provides an awful lot of art history in this community. and we this community needs to stand up and make sure that we can do everything uh in my opinion to maintain the artisan residency program that Mr. Anderson started here. I think that that was probably one of the greatest gifts a

community or a person has ever given anyone in the state of New Mexico and it puts us on the same level with every museum in the state. In fact, we're probably one ahead of the West of them because this is the first accredited museum in the whole state.

It was our Roswell Museum. And I said, you know, there's nobody wants to do away or harm our museum. But realistically, in today's building cost, if it's 51,000 square ft, it's going to cost us $60 million to build back what we had. And I'm just saying, you know, we can't afford to go through another cost like that. We still have to do the civic center. And I don't know what we're going to do with the adult center. I don't know that we can come up with the money to do that. We're not getting $70 million to fix the problem that goes between Rocky Aoya and for the money we already lost from the flood commission. go to Rocky Aoya to the base gate or to the base uh fence for that for that where 10,000 cubic feet per second of water can try to go down the condo. It doesn't go down,00 cubic feet. You're only short 8,900 uh cubic feet per second of water going down there. And that's if you hold the water back in those two dams. And so nobody's after you I don't have any problem in doing it but I think the government has to make their decision and once they make it then I think then we spring into action and do it. Uh there is nobody that I know that doesn't enjoy our museum or anything else. The only thing I'm going to tell you, we have to take into consideration that our school systems do not do an awful lot with art anymore. Not near what like they used to, art and and and uh some of the other things like lapidary and some of the things they had over at the adult center for children on intergenerational things. And those are all things that we

need to bring back. We need to have the pottering things back. I don't think it makes sense to put uh kils in the middle of the museum. I think they need to be in a place because of their heat and the potential you have because you have some vegetables in there. And we'll all get there just, you know, and uh when you look if you were downtown at 12:12 that night, I can tell you I could get as far as about I got to first in Maine and when I backed all the way back up to Alama because I could tell you that I couldn't probably go past third or fourth street because I knew my truck, it's a one ton truck, it would drown out. And so the potential is still here when for the 10,000 cubic feet to come right back through here again. And so we'll be there. We'll get there. Relax. I think we found a good place to store the facil the artwork that's out there. And I think the and uh if that's all going right, it's temperature controlled. There's plenty of space in that facility, I think, to work on paintings if someone chooses to work on them there. But it's it's going we're getting there.

Thank you. Okay, Council K, Mr. Curve, with your comments. This is a process dealing with FEMA and the flood that I had no idea might have be sitting in a seat trying to make some decisions. But right now, we don't have any decisions to make cuz we're waiting on the federal government to start making those decisions. Um they it's my understanding that 6 years after event before you get everything put back together. Um, and just ask people to be patient. We can't It may be when this thing finally gets wrapped up, Mr. Mayor, we're going to be busy beach. I don't know that. Um, is watching the the workings of all the agencies. It's not just FEMA. The states involved. Of course, we're involved. We got to send all of our paperwork to the state and to FEMA and then they compare notes or whatever they do. I'm not triggering that. And uh we're we're going to have plenty of time to make these decisions. We're we're still having discussions with with repairing the artwork and it's it's a long slow slug. have discussion with the insurance companies about taking the piece apart if they're going to cover it or not or whatever. I mean, it's a it's a real complicated situation. Find yourself all this stuff.

Well, we just appreciate you hearing us. Thank you so much for that. That's We just wanted to be heard. We're available now. Whatever you need. I I appreciate that. You're ready. We're not You're not forgotten. We're just not forgetting you. Thank you. We need to keep going. We got lots of things to do. So, thank you, Mr.

Thank you all for your comments and next we go to uh item 23. This is to hold a public hearing on to vote on whether to uphold the condemnation under resolution 25-46 of property at 603 West Manuran. Uh Meyers readvelopment block one of block 11 council leader council Gilbrand. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I move that we hold a public hearing and vote on whether to uphold the combination of resolution 25-46 of property located at 603 West Vanir.

We have a motion by council by Kelly Grant seconded by second Cortez. Second by councelor Cortez. Okay. Good evening.

So good to swear in. Oh, we got to square everybody in who's going to talk. Okay, so Miss Gat, this is Miss Gats. She's going to speak. Uh, she's signed up to speak on this. This is Senior Get and she is from uh 161 South 1611 South Missouri. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Madam clerk, will you raise your right hand? Do you solemnly swear in the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth under penalty or perjury? I thank you.

Okay. Okay. Yes, sir. Go ahead. Good evening, councelor. Um, Mr. Mayor and counselor. Um, I have the password.

I'm here to see if we get can uphold the condemnation on the property at 603 West Fury. Um, this property has uh the property owner thinks that we're not u we're just picking on her but in fact your honor I'm sorry Mr. Mayor and council that uh we have been working on this property for about 10 years now. I have u documentation. The first time we condemned this property is back in November of November 12th of 2015. She came in and pulled a building permit to bring back up the code. Never did any inspections or calls or anything again. And then in 2016, she did pull a have a contractor pull a a roofing permit. Uh it looks like the roof was done, but it never the contractor never came and got any final inspections. So I don't know if it's up to code. And then again, she was the house was again condemned in 2019. She came back to the office January 10th and pulled another building permit. Again, never calling for inspections. And then in March 23rd of 2022, she got another condemnation letter. Again, she came and got a permit. A permit was granted again. All three permits that were given to her were supposed to bring um to bring the property back up to code. And then so we finally redid it again in July of of 2025. That's the latest one.

that that went to city council and she's uh that's the one that she's wants to test fits. Um she went into the office to ask for another permit which was denied because uh we asked her to send a contractor pull a permit for her and she fought us with this. She said that she didn't have to cuz she was going to work and then again that we needed to give her another. Um, we told her that against the state statute that if she didn't live in the property, she had to get a contractor to work on the property. Um, so she got kind of irritated and said I asked her what she planned on doing with the property. She said it was a studio. I don't know what it is, but um, the building inspector went over there the next day. The back door was wide open. He went inside and took pictures. And those are the pictures that I had presented in front of me. I went by there today and it looked like there's a pile of stuff behind it. The last two the pictures that are on there, those are from the alley. And and I I'm not saying it was her, but I don't know where that came from. Being that right there where it's at, there's only two houses there. And that property behind it is city owned. That stuff's on city- owned property. And now I can't get it mowed. So we could um get the last moment in the season of those city properties. Um I stand for questions.

Okay. Thank you. Miss Gats, would you care to address the count? Yes. You have to come up here, please. You've been sworn in. This is Mrs. gas from 166 1611 South Missouri. Welcome. [Music]

This has been the most unpleasant experience. Every time I went to the builder's office, I was belittled and mocked trying to tell them that the house was already under a work schedule. I have pictures of it that it has been repaired inside. I have my receipts of all the supplies that were used. And that pile that he's talking about that's in the alley comes from another neighbor that's across the alley. Uh, I don't know if they have a trash bin or not, but I saw him wheel three full barrels of stuff and dumped it over in the trash bin and in across the the alley in that area where the pile is. And another neighbor saw him dumping the wheelbarrow that he was putting. Um I don't know what stuff he had, but he but he dumped it. That did not come from my house. And u like I said, I the the inside of the house has already been repaired. It's it it's uh all cleaned up and fixed up and there's no reason or real necess necessity to condemn the place because it's in the school area where somebody

could that has a family they could go to school there. But I also have another option if you don't object since the Roswell Adult Center Recreation Center was damaged with that flood that we had. uh our uh ham radio organization had to move out of there and now they're meeting at the Eagles club and they only meet once a month and they still have their uh classes for uh ham radio and their um outings that they do. Now what I suggest because I my husband was a member of the organization was that we use my house that little house for ham radio because it's like in a culdeac the little house and it has a second lot right next to it where ham radio could put up their antennas and they don't wouldn't had any parking problems because they could use the other lot for parking. So that's my other option for the house to uh be used by ham radio other than I was going to make it a studio for myself because I I have done art work and to tell to let you know that I was the chairman for the New Mexico Arts Association for the state of New Mexico. And at the time when they were trying to

do away with the art programs, I was the one that kept the art programs in the school system. And I had a TV station at the old uh junior high school that it's it's still there. um where the equipment was sent over to the institute and that's where we had a kindergarten program in the mornings and in the afternoon we would use the children for the TV programs educational program and Dr. Wallard was one of the uh his uh daughter was one of the students that I used for the uh program on for the TV program because she was in the kindergarten program when they were killed in that um plane crash. So I was in charge of that and uh funds ran out of that program and that's when the all the equipment went to the institute the TV in equipment. So I thought since the ham radio is meeting at the Eagles club right now, they're also looking for a place since since the Ros they were at the law school uh adult recreation place before the flooding. Then they had to move out and they also lost some equipment. And they did.

Okay. We have questions from members of the committee. Yes. Council Hillbrand. Mr. Franco. She says it looks like I have pictures of You have pictures of what you've done to clean this place up because we have pictures here showing bad disrepair. And I have the I was concerned. Franklin been back over there to to observe the the repairs that you're saying that you've done. Yes. What do we have now?

Yes, I do. And and I have my receipts that I used that I used at Home Depot to do the repairs. [Music] Yeah. Okay. [Music] You got the pictures? Yeah. Can you I have pictures. Present them, please. Or have somebody present them for you.

Mr. Abraham Wind. Excuse me. Sorry. I got one more question. Okay. That's when the last time I took pictures and my receipt of all the work that's been done inside the house. These are the pictures. These are the pictures. We'll just leave the pictures for now.

These are my receipts of all the work that's been done inside the house. It's already been fixed. [Music] actually it was just um patching up repairs is what it was. Um and there's no uh police reports. There's no other complaints on on the property. It doesn't have any police reports. Miss G, what is your intention to do with this property? Are you going to turn this into a rental? Are you going to try to sell it? Because is the monetary cost to repair this is probably pretty substantial.

I've already gotten it fixed. Pardon? I've already gotten it fixed. Everything? Yes. The inspection hasn't taken place. And my question is my question is if you don't have the ability there is a program called rehab to rental and if you put that go qualify for that program they will pay up to $25,000 to repair your property but you've got to turn it into a HUD approved housing plan. It's already been 5 years it's already been repaired. Well, these these pictures don't demonstrate much of the repair.

Well, that it it was minor stuff that was in there. What happened was when my brother died, uh I I had to it was time consuming to clear it and I went through court to have it cleared. Did the property belong belong to your brother? It's my brother's. And do you own the property now? Yes. And [Music] so are you willing to turn this into I'm not seeing that much repair was done because I'm seeing a lot of pictures that was show tremendous amount of disrepair.

All that's been fixed. Let me see. All that's been cleared. It's all the the inside is cleared. all left out. The the bathroom's been fixed. The like the water heater thing is I believe coming today. It would have been nice to see pictures of that. It would have told a big story. Well, it is it's all clear and this is and my other question to you is why did you not get your inspections done as required?

You never got your roofing inspe inspection completed. You were told to get that done. Why was Did you all do that work yourself or did you have hire somebody to do it or Yes, I did. I hired somebody to do the roofing. It was it was done by a roofer and it had a new roofing and but he didn't he didn't call for the he didn't call for the inspection. So, as far as I left it up to the roofer. The roofer was in charge of all that. So, it's up So, the city's position is the roof has never been inspected. Correct, Toby. Correct. Well, none of this work has been It never had a final inspect. None of this work has been inspected, has it?

They've never called for an inspection on that. But it's done. I'm telling you, an opportunity exists for you to get all that work done. It's all done. But we'd have to get that verified. Okay. Those pictures don't verify anything at this point in time. I have. But I'm telling you, if you're willing to to get all the work that needs to be done, there's a program out there that will pay. You don't have to pay it back. It's $25,000. It's all It's all done. The receipts are all here. What's been done in

Do we have an inspection? So, you have you have a call for inspection. So, I yield. Okay. Council, thank you. Council, council lady, Miss Miss um if you had the work done, would you be willing could we give her I don't know 10 days or something to have bring the does it take longer than that to get I don't know nothing about does it take longer than that? If you say the work is done, it should I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you. I promise I'm not. All I'm saying is if it's done,

you can say it's done. and we haven't seen it. So those pictures show one wall. I'm not saying it's not done, but I think if we could give you give her 10 days to come in and with the picture or or take somebody to go and get it. I don't know which I don't know which way the city does it or if you have to go to to to I don't you know what I mean? If you have you go yourself. But when was that back door taken? And she said the back door fixed. How have that back door don't that back door that looks new for the building official would have to be the only one that can go and do that. The building officials folk that we got there the ones that actually condemn properties.

Can we give him time to go and check to see if those things if she gives if she gives us permission inside the house to take pictures and stuff? the horse. You didn't have permission to go in there the first time and I had it posted that it was no trespassing to go in there. The back door was wide open. It was open to the public. No, it's not. No one had had permission cuz it's posted. Ma'am,

okay. Okay. I understand. Me, you can't you you you can't get aggressive or upset about it. We are where we are. I mean, we said 10 years. We've been working on this. So, we've been seeing these pictures off and on for almost 10 years. I've been I've been seeing these pictures for a very long time. And I'm not saying it's not done, but you have to show proof. The burden of proof is on you that it's done. It's done. Well, then then why didn't you bring see how many pictures you got of every room in the house on here? You should have took a picture of every room in the house. It is.

That's one wall. No, this is what this is the kitchen with the kitchen's all clear where the back of the when you open the door, the back door, the all that wall has been fixed. And then the where the water heater was um open. All that's been fixed. The ceiling in that kitchen has been fixed. Anders ever doing your stuff you need to they need to go to the city and show that they have done and it has met the code they have to do it otherwise we can't we can't say that it's of the part of the code

I have cleared that the other rules any work on the property needs to be done by a contractor and a contractor only it doesn't need to be done the inside of the house to be done by a contractor I didn't eat that. That wasn't necessary. I did it myself. Oh, well. Well, um, my my thing is, okay, you say it's done, give her 10 days, and then we do whatever we need to do because if you need to prove that,

Yes, ma'am. The building the building official needs to go and see. No. Well, you still have to get a contract. It's done. Well, and you you got on the roof and and ruled the roof yourself all by yourself. All the roofing was done by a contractor inside the house. No, outside the house on top of the house. The only permit that the contractor pulled for that property was for the roof. I had a roof, but it never got a final inspection. So, those thing need to be done. I had a roofing done already and the and the carport was done and the roofer did it. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. It's still need a final inspection.

Well, it was already done. If there's nothing wrong with it, Mr. City attorney,

Mr. Mayor, this is more to clarify the posture. So, this is an appeal. So, that in an appeal, it's not showing that she's fixed the condemnation. is challenging the determination that you made last month. So if if she hasn't shown any error in the termination last month, then you would typically uphold this. Now getting out of condemnation problems is something that we do all the time. People get the permits pulled for whatever reason, they make the repairs and then the city and the individual move forward. So that so again to distinguish the real the question you have to decide tonight is was there an error of law that you made last month in determining whether or not the condemnation was appropriate? Would it be appropriate or allowable for us to have a reinspection uh and ask them to reinspect it to see to set this to rest?

Not no because that would that's the equivalent of opening up the record again. The record's set. Uh the better thing to have done would have been to show up last month and contest the findings that were presented, but that wasn't contested. So the only thing we could do was either if we want her to have an opportunity is to vote no so that she could have the opportunity to bring the stuff. No. So, so if if you vote so you will vote to uphold or not uphold your determination to not so so if you vote to not uphold the termination then the building is no longer condemned and staff will have to go through the whole process again.

Now by contrast if you uphold it she just comes into compliance and then the condemnation of its own accord goes away. staff. The condemnation gives us the authority to execute a plan of remediation. [Music] I will allow the inspector to go in and look at the work that's been done. So you hold it and she has to come and show with faith that she did it. Right.

Right. Yeah. So if you uphold the determination and the inspector goes out tomorrow and says, "Oh yeah, this is in ship shape." Then the city wouldn't be it goes away. Yeah. Okay. Just a reminder, just cuz it goes on combination doesn't mean we're going to tear it down. Right. It's just some it's it could be an option for later. We have other buildings, other houses that are way worse than this. But I think we've given her plenty of time. 10 years is is a lot of time. It took Do you want to know how long it took me to go to court after my brother died to get that house cleared before I took position? I'm sorry, ma'am, but that doesn't pertain to this.

Well, well, it's times time and budgeting. And don't forget that people our age have medical to do. I understand that. Yes. I just now had had my uh patterns removed. Now I still need more medical. I understand that my mom is 79 years old. I totally understand. Well, I'm 81 this month. Well, ma'am,

then as long as ma'am, if you allow him to go in and you can let him let his building inspector go in and check the facility to see if it you're making a good faith effort. I did.

I understand that. But it has to be we've got to we've got to make sure that he als that it it meets with the proper building codes and building things that are he's required to maintain or done by state law. And so if you can show a good faith effort that you're working to get that going, then he doesn't have to uh condemn it. I'd like to make a motion. Did did you object to the ham radio using the place for their meetings?

Well, we I think we've been working on some other facilities for them. uh we've been trying to work something out for them and I so we have to do we have so I we don't have there's no one from them to sit there and say they're willing to take it over and we have to if you have that we can get those kind of things together and you can present it to him then we and he's going to know there's a plan to get it back back up in livable situations that's uh where it's within the the ranges of the law. So, he has to have that opportunity. If you don't let him on the property, he can't see what you've done. And then so then this would probably be upheld if you and it might be upheld anyway, but he doesn't have to condemn it if you can show a good faith effort that you either take. This counselor's suggestion about the $25,000 is enough to paint it and do an awful lot of repairs on the inside. And I mean, I don't know if you painted it myself. Yeah, I know. We don't know what you've done and we have to he has to be able to show him that you're it's a there's a plan to to remediate the ability because after 10 years it's been a long time. Now, you're I'm sure you're right that it can take a long time to go through and get property probated and going through the courts. I mean, I understand that. But if you uh if you can work I think if you can work with the city about letting them look and making sure that there's a plan to bring this facility up to code and I I think he will probably work with you and I and he's shaking his head a little bit. I I mean I don't I don't I don't think he enjoys uh being in in a bad situation either, a confrontational situation. But

I think he will work with you if if you you know sit down and show that there's a plan going, but the building has to be where it's in a safe condition and not a public hazard. It is. Can I make the motion? Council lady uh Moore. Yes. I'd like to make the motion to uphold the condemnation under resolution 25-46 or the property located at 603 West Van Beering Meyers Red whatever block one lot.

Second. We have a motion made by uh uh councelor um more and seconded by uh uh council lady u [Music] council lady Arnold and so on a motion for is there any further discussion seeing none the clerk will call the role on a motion to uphold the uh the condemnation of of this property.

Okay. Madam feels councelor Johnson. Yes. Councilorsa. Yes. Councelor Moore. Yes. Councelor Korn. Yes. Councelor Cortez. Hi. Councelor Henbrand. Hi. Councelor Mville. Yes. Councelor Arnold. Yes. Councelor Halverson. Yes. Vote of 9 to Z. Motion passes to uphold that.

By vote of 9 to zero. The motion passes. Ma'am, I would suggest that you get with this gentleman tomorrow and have him or have his staff show him what you've done and the plans that you have for moving forward. And I think I think he'll try to work with you and work. Yes, ma'am. Okay, Mr. Mayor.

Yes, Mr. Council. I move that the council go into close session pursuant to NMSA1978 subsection 10-15-18 uh five and seven to discuss attorney client privilege pertaining to threaten or pending litigation in which the city of Roswell is or may become a participant pertaining to union negotiations. Second. No second needed. Second either have a motion. All in favor by saying I Okay, we're going to journey for

Mr. Mayor, for the record, the council was back in open session at 911, but 911. 911. We had a closed session pursuant to NEX NMSA 1978 10-15-18 5 and 7 to discuss attorney client privilege pertaining to threaten or pending litigation in which the city of Roswell is or may become a participant pertaining to union negotiations. No action was taken and no votes were cast. Okay. down. Move on to item 16.

So, we have to call ourselves back in. You have to call us again or not. Okay. Next, we'll go to item 168.

Page 138 or something. Yes, sir.

Okay. [Music] Item 16 is to enter into approval for approval to enter into a professional relationship contract with True Business Solutions to provide internal audit services for the city of Roswell. Mr. Cole or Tony, go ahead.

Good evening, Mr. Mayor, council members. Agenda item number 16 is to approval to enter into a professional service contract with True Business Solution to provide internal audit services for the city of Roswell. The city is seeking to engage in a qualified firm to perform internal auditing services to strengthen internal controls to enhance compliance and support transparency in maintenance operations. Uh the funding source for this is budgeted in the fiscal year 26 budget under the finance department's professional service line item. Proposed contract shall not exceed 585 plus applicable tax and the agreement may be structured as a one-year term with an option to renew the subject to available funding and perform performance review. Um this has passed um legal committee on their September 25th meeting um four to zero on that meeting and um staff recommends approval and I stand for any questions.

Okay. Are there questions? Is there on the agenda yet? Uh, no. We have, let's see, we have a we need to make a motion, please, for Well, we have it on here. She's discussing it. And so, we have this contract for approval. So, yeah. Council, have something motion. You ready? Oh well, go ahead. That's fine. Go ahead. Mr. Mayor, move for approve special services contract to true business solutions plan services for the city of Long.

Second. And we have a motion by councelor Korn, seconded by uh councelor Guujo.

Okay. If Burke calls it. discussion discussion Cortez Mr. Mayor Mr. Cortez

thank you Mr. Um, I apologize as I was unable to attend the legal committee um between cities in New Mexico with very poor coverage. Um, I had a couple questions for staff on this contract. I don't know if the question will be best directed to you, Miss Gomez, or perhaps to counselor. Um I'm uh looking at the we went through some rigomearroll on this uh modifying ordinance and I'm curious as the recital don't appear to me to reflect our ordinance that we passed in the report of the author. Um that's my first concern and I don't know hes if you want to jump in on that. Um I also have a question I think about the engagement limitations and responsibilities. We uh our code says that there shall be independent offices apart from city departments and one of those is the city author which we spent some time discussing and refining. um some finesse via uh council coin on setting up an audit committee for which was consistent with the special audit finding to allow for a body for the independent or the internal auditor to report to which was a special audit recommendation. So that was sort of robust. But so we have an independent office apart from city departments and uh but yet we now know that this contract says that absent a treasurer the city shall designate an individual who possess a suitable skill, knowledge and or experience to understand and oversee the services evaluate the adequacy and the results of the services. And so how is that in the contract consistent with the basic concept of the

auditor which is to be an independent office from the city departments with which that auditor is responsible to um audit. Well, I guess you're a counselor and we should just scrap this until we have a treasurer. Okay, that's and I appreciate I appreciate the word play. There's there has to be somebody who liaison on you guys are a part-time counsel and a part-time mayor. So while there's no treasurer, the mayor typically doesn't the treasurer simply has somebody who helps the auditor with the day-to-day.

Uh uh counselor, you're the city attorney who is also an independent office apart from city department. Do you have a person that in the absence of someone else designates we see you over we understand oversee your service? Do we have someone that is over you besides the governing body? The mayor governing body. Yeah. Okay. So no one no city no other city department oversees you.

No. But uh by contrast, were there no city attorney uh by custom, the manager who has control over the rest of my department, we simply work through and utilize my deputy. Okay. So just so I'm clear, we're basically saying that which the absence of the treasurer is of course a choice, right, of a member of a governing body, right? in particular the manner that if we don't have one that's okay. We'll just appoint someone from the city department to oversee this uh this uh true uh true business solutions or an officer

but oversee oversee their services and this person is supposed to be an independent contractor. Yes. Well, in the same in the same contract, we discussed their independent nature that they have the sole right to control and direct the means, manageers, and method by which they service performed. Yes.

But yet, we're going to provide someone to oversee them and someone who doesn't meet the qualifications of the author unless we have a CPA in our midst that I don't know about. So, we're going to Let me just go clear. I just want to take this one home. on the land cuz we're going to get some runway here and we like to talk about airplane. We're going to hire an independent auditor to audit the functions of the city and we're going to simultaneously which we can choose not to do. We're going to appoint someone in the city to oversee them when they are supposed to be independent from from that. I think your reading of the word oversee is overly literal.

Does oversee have a different meaning? Well, would you like to define Does it come from overseer or from the Latin? Are we going to go that far? So, what definition of oversee? If if you define it for me, I'll tell you if that's the definition. Well, I have I have employees and I oversee them. So would you feel more comfortable with a city employee shall monitor to make sure that the independent auditor complies with their contract? I thought the independent auditor was supposed to be an independent appointed office by the city. You've chosen the mayor has

so well are we talking about the recital or the ordinance? It just doesn't seem particularly independent because report is a very important function when you're establishing who people report to in an organization. All right. So let let's go through the contract. So the the recital generally they're just kind of general statements that are not binding upon a contract but give background to what the contract is about.

Does the ordinance say wherefore the auditor shall report to the governing body and the mar? The ordinance itself states that the office of the treasurer shall have an internal city auditor separate from the state mandate for external auditor. The internal so in that regard it is not a independent office as you suggested but the internal auditor is an independent office officer right

not office. Now the internal auditor shall be nominated by the mayor for approved by the governing body. This contract is an execution of that action. If approved, the internal auditor will be employed through the treasur's office. The internal city auditor, so consistent. Now, this is a contract. So, you'd have the treasur's office administer the contract. In that case, the internal city auditor will report to the governing body through the audit committee comprised of the treasurer and the chair of the finance, legal, public safety, and infrastructure committee. Does the ordinance say they shall report to the mayor? It does not. However, the treasurer does report to the mayor. So it is a indirect Yeah. councelor if you've got amendments to the contract. Nathan,

I'm just curious about those things. I'm very comfortable with this and the the important part here is as we've written into the contract the auditor has to follow as part of their contract specific ethical obligations imposed by their own independent governing authority.

Right. If if there's language you believe this would tighten up, I'm happy to show you where to amend it or how. But I think the if you the I can't make the motion. So I guess it the treasur comprised of the treasur and the chairs of the finest le public safety and infrastructure committee. So why I would say structurally that also moves the mayor is twofold. So first the treasurer does report to the mayor and the governing body and also the mayor appoints the chairs of finance, legal, public safety and infrastructure. So yeah, he does have some overhead control but let's keep going. The treasurer shall chair the audit committee. So the committee they report to is in fact chairing officer of the corporation

and the action requesting shall be report appropriate standing to the governing body committee. So actual actions coming out of this audit position would have to be referred to the 11 of you. the mayor being one of them as well. All reports shall be available upon requesting of every one member. So I while the language is not precise mayor, it is not inconsistent. Okay. Uh I have one more question about the engagement limitations responsibility. I was curious and I'm maybe I don't know the technical term here so I'll be prepared to appear dumb as I may not know what this means but I would like to know what what the word in paragraph the consultant has no responsibility to identify and communicate deficiencies in the city's internal control is and what what is the definition of the city's internal control and is that not a process that we're expecting to be audited I just don't understand that implication of that sense [Music] That's almost green.

Excuse me. That's almost raffle green. That lobster. Yeah. I mean, yeah, Rosella Green. Um Um Mr. America, Councelor Cortez, would you please repeat the question? Yeah, I was just curious. I didn't know what this term meant. I assumed it was a financial term. I'm on page 140. I'm on paragraph and three the consultant's engagement. It says the consultant has no responsibility to identify and communicate deficiencies in the city's internal control. And I just didn't know what internal control meant in the context of that paragraph.

It's not a test at test station. So there's no assurance. Um the internal controls for the city of Brazil are the internal controls such as policy procedure ordinance and actual procedures that uh are followed um to ensure the transactions are. So the auditor doesn't audit those functions of the city. They do they they in fact do but they don't attest or give an opinion to the the internal controls on a whole. in the city. Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir. I think he answered the question.

Thank you. So, that's it. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

Thank you. Are there any further comments? Okay. So, we let's see on a motion by I don't think I've broken down at the moment. on a motion by councelor Kor and a second by councelor Maruo uh to enter into approval to enter into professional service contract to approve business solutions to provide internal audits for the city of Bronco on a motion by councelor Korn second by councelor Maru. Any further comments? Seeing none, the clerk will call a roll.

Councelor Johnson, yes. Councelor Oesa, yes. Councelor Moore, yes. Councelor Kin, yes. Councelor Cortez, no. With no offense to Mr. Ar. Councelor Henbrand. Hi. Councelor Motor. Yes. Councelor Arnold. No. Chancellor Herson. Yes. Believe 72. 7 to two. That is correct.

The the approval has been entered into uh Thank you, ma'am. Thank you all for being here and your partner over there has been doodly staying right there. He's doing good. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all very much. So, after 16, now we're back on to We're back on 275. It's

25. I'm sorry. It's uh item 25, approval of budget adjustment of $127,934 inclusive lease extension of the current approval for $21,794. Repairs, maintenance, and utilities estimated at 45,000. Approval of the purchase order for $61,140 for the lease at the air center property for collection storage and staff. Councilman Korn.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move we approve the budget adjustment of $127,934 that include uh repair of maintenance utilities and lease air center. We have a motion by councelor Corn. Is there a second? Second. Second by councelor Johnson. Thank you. Any further comments? Seeing none, if the clerk will call the role. Councelor Johnson. Yes. Councelorsa. Yes. Councelor Moore. Yes. Councelor Korn. Yes. Councelor Cortez.

Hi. Councelor Herbrand. Hi. Councelor Marovo. Yes. Councelor Arnold. Yes. Councelor Albertson. Yes. The motion passes. Okay. So item 27 27. Okay. Next we go. Well, item 25 is duly passed to the council approving the adjustment u of $127,000 as stated in the in the Okay, next we go to item 27.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Okay, move to approve the scope of work for the RFP for the air service department for the Bville Air Center. Okay. Okay. We have a motion by council uh build uh to approve the scope for work for the RFP for the for air service at the RA uh air service development industrial air center. Second and a second by council lady Moore. Any questions? Mr. Mr. Mayor,

Mr. Mayor, I noted in the in work up this city council committees. So, I would propose that we move this to for further review. Second, so Mr. Mayor, that was put on the agenda by the mayor. down. Oh, I'm going to put it on this one right here.

Item was brought to the board or a committee and recommended by mayor was not brought to board or committee is recommended by Mayor Dennings. I get that, but I don't understand this is the front page of the newspaper. I I just need to have a little more discussion about this. Yeah, Mr. Mayor, I do want to point out that at least under the current procurement policy that the council ratified in 2017, this can go directly and is supposed to go directly on the consent agenda. Well, and I got a motion and I got a second.

There's a there's a reason why I put this on on the agenda. We have a contract with and some individuals for air service and procuring air service to to our community and there uh in dealing with the air service that we have now. uh we feel that there's uh an opportunity that is available to us if we uh strike quickly that we might be able to expand the air service that we have uh in serving our community which would be of great I think great finan of great financial interest to our community on improving the air air service and the competitiveness we have in getting air service in into this community. And uh that is uh that's why we have a contract. We have a contract that we have with a professional staff that advise us on things that are going on in the air community and and about where we can enhance the air service into our community. And that's that's why I asked that this go on. It's uh I understand it's different but uh in today's times there's a lot of changing things that are going on in air service right now when we have u we need to have the if we have the ability to help stabilize our air service in our community. I think it would help us to a great deal.

Is are you anticipating that this could be uh something that would violate our contract with our president? True. No, I don't think it would violate anything.

I I don't see the I don't see the problem going through normal process, normal procedures. On the face of it, Mr. Mayor, I'm in favor of this. I got it's pos it's a possibility maybe and u we've been work we've been talking about this kind of thing for a while um and it just I think it needs to be done. I think we need to have um full discussion. We don't get full discussions in here that we get in committees. We just don't. Um, and so I've looked at this draft scope of work. I think it's going to be it would be fine. Um, but I got some questions that I need to digit that out. And I know in the airplane business things change on a dime. I got that. used to be involved a lot more than I am now, but I don't think the door is going to close and there's some funding that's available that we're going to have to get to get this thing going if we get that farm. And not only that, but we've got some in changes have to be made at the at the terminal building to make this fly. And there's just a lot to this than just sending out an RFP to see if somebody's interested. That's what this is. Quest for proposal. So committee in my opinion and that's the reason why I made a motion I made from

Miss Thompson, please. Well, what we're asking for today is just approval to go with the request for proposal. It does not commit the city or the council members of course uh to anything beyond looking to see what may be available out here. It doesn't any funds or anything beyond just finding out who might be interested in providing air service.

Well, this is a fishing expedition. I get that. And I don't know why it's so important to get it on this meeting. Well, one of the reasons, one of the reasons it was important for the scheduling is because of the time frame of to get anything within the first quarter of next year, schedules are made in November of this year. So, in order to try to get service in the most expeditious, of course, we want to make sure it's perfectly financed through grants and things, but to get it done in a timely fashion, we have to have something out on the streets to show we're interested in additional service before the November and this shows that we are interested in additional service.

You have a motion, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor, I have a question, Bobby. It seemed to me that just looking at this that the next item is similar or in conjunction with this item.

The next item is something that actually we need today. Uh but it would also benefit us if we were able to attract additional airlines. And the reason I see that today is we've had often occurrences um multiple times in any given month where a flight is delayed and the next flight comes in and we have people that have to wait till minutes before the flight to start going through security because there's no room in the current hole which only holds 90 people. Is this service any service we give is a contingent upon that terminal improvement? It is not. It is not. Okay. So, we get the service without the terminal improvement. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Mr.

Any further comments? Mor. Yeah. I just question. Do we not have a consultant to who we hire to go out and find these services? Where's his report on this topic? And did it go to the airport advisory commission? Yes, he reports to that commission on a fairly routine basis as a commission once. Uh he tends to be a bit long-winded so we kind of restrict how many times we report but he's the one that brought this concept to us. So he's the one who's made this connection that's thinking that that

that United is this is basically the way the RFP is written is only written for United correct because that is the one he's identified as having an interest in the type service that would benefit us. So my question then is when we broke this RFP and United rejects us and we're back to the drawing board we won't send it out to anybody else? No, we will start the process over again. We start it all over again. Yes, sir. Okay. because I'm I'm personally of the certain belief that we suffer greatly uh because we only have a single carrier

uh both from a service standpoint of the comments we get from the customers that use American uh their schedule, their pricing and everything because they do have a monopoly. Bobby, you don't know how we really suffered here when we had Mesa Airlines. That's suffering. [Music] So we have made big leaps and bounds from those days. Well, I would like to make bigger leaps and bounds. Council president.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You know, I'm I'm just wondering uh why why the Denver airport instead of the Phoenix because we used to to go down down Phoenix.

Well, one of course one advantage which is certainly led to this discussion uh was the fact that if you want to go west, you have to go east first. So, we definitely wanted a western flight. Uh, in looking at the Phoenix opportunities, the only Phoenix opportunity would have been an additional American flight and we've held many discussions with American folks about that and they simply do not have an interest in adding that flight. Uh, the other advantage of having a Denver flight is the fact that once you get into Denver, you can go anywhere in the world. They have a lot more connection opportunities out of Denver than you would Phoenix. And then we're we're only looking at United Airlines

at this time. At this time. So is there a possibility that there may be another airline that might if if United denies it, they might pick it up? Well, I don't know about a Phoenix destination, but what typically happens these situations, if we can keep load factors at about 75% level and we have a second airline, all of a sudden we become attracted to a third airline. And so this uh is is not in conjunction with the the other communities in the area, right? This is Rambo going at it on their own. This is us trying to make our airport better.

And are we uh willing to negotiate a certain percentage guarantee a certain percentage like we have right now with uh American Airlines? I don't think I understand the question. Well, right now we we have to guarantee that we we have to support what 70%. You're exactly right. Yes, sir. But we've never had to pay that which is good because the load factors are good now.

But but again if I un understand the history a little bit I think is it was uh Rioso Artisia Carlb they all came in into to the group that allowed us to be able to guarantee the the 70% in order for for the city not to pay.

Yes. One thing we've looked at in the process of the development of this RFP, uh we currently have what's called a scazzy grant, which is small community air service development. Uh we still have a $750,000 in that account that can be used for development. And then the state has come up with a service program of their own, a minimum revenue guarantee program, which is a two-year program at 2.25 million per year. So they would we would operate under that. So it wouldn't be a cost to the city. It would be through that type of grant. Okay. But because United is not very far from here to house,

I would not commit you to provide a guarantee from the city, sir. Um, so I'm I'm I'm not uh I'm not too uh sold on unless we have something in here in in writing and we will spell out exactly what is what is it that we're going to be negotiating. Well, that would come with with their response. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. If I might, if the flight that they have from that goes to there's a flight that goes to Hobs and then goes on down. It goes down to Houston. Yeah.

And this flight would take us go from Roswell back up to uh Denver and if we can get back to that, you could go east and west without having to backtrack and and going west is a is a real problem. uh American has never got been able to get their system where it comes through from Phoenix to here. they never been able to get uh enough uh people to go there. If it's because we don't go to maybe if they went to Las Vegas and then Las Vegas to Roswol, maybe that might be better, but they've never been able to get that Phoenix route uh up where they can really justify that as well. And this way we can at least whoever can get there just uh like the people this morning they they we're all happy to go

uh to Albuquerque cuz they fly straight to Albuquerque to uh uh Denver. In Denver they turn around and they'll fly anywhere in California and you know anything west from there go straight Phoenix any of those places. It's really easy to get there. So it just gives us another way for people to go west. And I think that's that's a a real big issue. But uh and the the Denver airport since they've moved it out into the country kind of like DFW was when it started, they have a lot more um um larger planes trafficking of much further distances. Like from when I went to Taipei, we flew to Dallas. Dallas. We flew from Daipe from uh Dallas all the way to Tokyo and never stopped 14 hours and 777 or 787. And uh so those longer flights, they have a lot more of those coming out of of Denver than they do not they don't have them out of Phoenix or anywhere else. They Dallas, they have them. This is a way to open up a lot of uh uh travel for people east and west for vacations and everything else. And it would in my opinion it would also give uh it will be a I believe in competition and I think it gives give uh gives everybody a little little thing to keep everybody on up and up about the prices of of your tickets as they come in here. because sometimes our tickets into Roswell uh are extremely expensive and air shows I mean they go they go way out there and uh so I think I know this we've got a consultant that's gone through there look he thinks it's a

thing uh for us to look at we're not committed you can we can go and negotiate that but we can look it gives us enough time to get it by March to where we can negotiate with what we can get from the FAA about better service, better SC scanning capabilities. It's very difficult in our service. It takes a a minute to a minute and a quarter or half for every person to go through that line. So if you have, you know, it's a long time if you've got a 100 passengers have to go through that, it can take a long time to get through there, almost two hours. So that's why it's important, I think, to keep moving in a positive direction and allow us to to see where we can get uh and we can get the the services scheduled and when they know when the schedules are, they're going to know if they're both at the same time that they're going to have some problem. We'll have problems here when they start scheduling them. U there's times here where you have two, we had two American flights, left, right, together. You could have all kinds of people in that terminal.

That's for sure.

So, uh it just gives us an opportunity to let's look and see and uh it's what our consultant that we've hired to look at that thinks we ought to do. Nobody's committed to this. Nobody has to. We all still have to go and make decisions, but let's if there's an offer that somebody will put us out there on the turb out on the table for us to get service here, let's see if we can't make it. I mean, because I think we need the service here. I think it would be very economically benefit uh to our community. Well, and and I've heard often about the Phoenix flight from many people and I do know that uh one of the things that into that having done work for the Phoenix system is they have a little bit higher end gate rates and stuff for their airlines. Uh so that obviously has a ripple effect as any airline goes in there. And then of course to go to Councilman Cord's question, if we do get a favorable response that we would want to bring to council, it would have to go through the legal and the finance and everything and process for you folks to take a good hard look at anything for any commitment made.

Yes, ma, Miss Thompson, and you're saying that they set their schedules in November. We couldn't get this thing through council until January. No, I I can appreciate that it won't happen until January. Just the way that the the schedule has to work in slowm moving government.

So getting it to this to get the to in November they and put it on the schedule we government moves so slow in the process you got to go through Miss Thompson. It's not going to happen first quarter. Oh, and not the certainly not a commitment because like you say, there's many steps for it to go through, but the fact that they would commit to a potential flight would get it on their temporary schedule. Uh, if you miss that opportunity, it probably we do that with an RFP now, the first thing you would have in the second quarter of next year, right? That's that's the earliest you're going to see this. Well, that for a full commitment. Yes, sir.

Yeah. So, we won't see flight service till sometime mid next year. Possibly. Possibly. Correct. If everything comes together, there's a lot of there's a lot of pieces. A lot of ifs. Yeah. Okay. That answers my question. Thank you. Any further questions, Mr. Mayor? Yes.

I would like to point out the problem with Phoenix is the Cardinals. just as an NFC West guy like a Seahawks guy. I just wanted to point that out. That's the real problem. I'm not going to say anything about the Broncos yet, but I didn't. The Seahawks did beat the Broncos in the Super Bowl. So, the record just to make sure that's on the record before I'm no longer here. I just wanted to put that out there for everybody. You're welcome. Go. All right. Let's move on. Okay. So, you have a motion from corn. So, we have a motion move to legal. Move to legal. We have a motion to move it to legal by council corn. Is there a second? [Music]

Oh, you did.

Can you repeat the motion again, please? Motion is to move this item to legal. Okay. Uh so okay is there any further I know we've read discussion so if the clerk will call the role. Councelor Johnson. Yes. Councelor Odessa. Uh yes. Councelor Moore. No. Councelor Korn. Yes. Councelor Cortez. Hi, Councelor Hilderbrand. Hi, Councelor Mojo. Yes.

Councelor Arnold. Yes. Councelor Herson. Yes.

Okay. Next we have line 28. I got you, Mr. Mayor. Okay. Mr. Mayor, I move we move the approval of the scope of work for RFP security hall room facility at the Roswell Air Center. Second.

Okay, we have motion and a second by council. Okay. Uh so let's see. We have a motion uh to approve the scope of work for RFP at the uh security home facility for the Ros Center. Okay. A motion and a second by councelor Miller Brand seconded by councelor Pressa Miss Thompson please.

So this is a request for proposal so we can start exploring the opportunities of having additional hold area. Uh the current current hold area holds 90 people. Uh we're looking at aircraft for you know seat 120. Uh so you can automatically see where the problem is there. And with additional aircraft or airlines coming in that disability is whether it's weather or mechanical then you have people sitting in a very small room very tightly or towers on in sometimes and then the second flight comes in and we can't really do anything with people that are ready to go through security to go out on that flight. So, this has been an ongoing problem that we've had already. So, we're looking for a temporary solution with the long-term solution uh being to eventually find funding uh through grants so uh for a new terminal.

Mr. Mayor.

Okay. Council Horn. Mr. Bear, I was looking through this scope of work and I've got some heartburn about this. I'd much rather this sector go through infrastructure committee u so we can get a handle on this but on the uh under the scope of work second paragraph must be designed to accommodate maybe that's not it [Music] where they see Oh, it's the last paragraph under scope of report 199. Proposal is responsible for all design services, construction, utility connections, inspections, and testing to ensure the facility is fully compliant with TSA, FAA, and ADA. By the way, you get your security stuff from the TSA, not the FAA. in all the African federal, state, and local building codes. This an in-house bid. I don't know all the contractors that could fulfill this requirement locally. Might be one, might be two. Um, and I don't I'm surprised this bill this didn't get go through infrastructure before it landed here. And once again, we got to find the money to pay for this thing. We don't know how much that is. And I understand that dream you do an RFP if you can afford it. Um, but uh there's process and process needs to be followed and going to committee is part of that process.

So if and we got a motion on the floor made our attorney man he left. U I don't think make a motion to send to committee is proper at this time. So I don't know what you're going to do to get out of this box. But the way it is right now I I'm just not comfortable with this kind of stuff. need to get it to committees that are responsible for those areas of work and get their input on all this stuff. Maybe a simple rewrite of this paragraph that I brought up. I don't know cuz I haven't had a chance to talk to anybody about this to see what they're what they're thinking about and certainly haven't reached out anywhere to find out the pluses and minuses on this thing. we need. We've discussed before and and I I'm going to assume that the U that our airport commission had looked at this either. We've been talking about a complete we at one point we were talking about a complete new terminal, not just an addition to and I don't know where that discussion is. It's kind of died. uh for lack of any motion or movement and I just think that this needs to go to the needs to be heard committee. Okay. Thank you, Councilman Hilderbrand.

Miss Thompson, I do have a question about same paragraph there, but my question is a little different. The proposer is responsible for providing all design services. Do we not what is it Molson Corbin? Corbin, are they not our firm out there that this should have been tasked to for them to do the design work? Do we are not already pay them for that kind of kind of work? Uh we pay them by the job, not on a flat fee, right? But but they know airports. They certainly Wilson Corbin and Arjon Lochner

they know airports were a local contractor here doesn't know a dang thing about these airports. If we were to hire somebody on a local level and then they got to go gain all that expertational and knowledge, would it be more beneficial to control the cost if we were to have our own firm? Well, the idea the idea here was to let someone else have that cost and come back to us with an idea, then we can review it with our engineers. But if a contractor does it, they how it works. If they go sell out and get that work done and they charge $100,000, well, guess what? That's going to be $115,000. They're going to add on. That's just what they do.

Well, if they get the job and so if you did it with Molson, you're not going to have to pay that add-on. Oops. In my opinion, because I just know when contractors do pass through, they tackle on additional for their overhead or whatever they have associated with it. So would this not make sense that we should have our own internal people that we can currently contract come up with a design and then we can get a a contractor's estimate on it and then put it out for bid?

Well, I would I would like to see some initial costs that no cost to us before I would farm it out to our own engineers for additional money. So this would be free information as opposed to paying one of our engineers for information. But you're not going to get these. They're not going to give you their architectural rendings. They're going to tell you about them, but they're going to own them. You're not going to own them. They don't have to give you their architectural renings. They don't have to give you anything. So, he has to give us something with the proposal.

They'll give you the proposal, but you will not own those drawings. Those are drawings that belong to them if I recall. And so I just question, would we not be better off because they're going to go to somebody who knows about airports, who knows about all these requirements and not have to pay the add-on.

Well, the requirements for this particular facility are not really that difficult. I mean, to find TSA, it's a it's a box, if you will. Uh, and it's a box that does have to meet certain TSA requirements. Absolutely. ADA requirements. I would think any contractor is very familiar with ADA requirements. The TSA requirements, we can tell them what those are. I mean, those are very straightforward and clearly written in the regulations as well. There's nothing terribly complex about this whole room. It's a it's a box that has certain security and certain ADA things, which I

You obviously have normal I mean, you have more knowledge. I have no knowledge of this. You know, I mean, like say it's just it's a box and the box with bathrooms, which obviously they're familiar with. Security CCTV cameras are pretty common for people to understand. Now, of course, they use very

all I'm attempting to try to look at is put this on a level playing field that our local people could be involved in making a bid on this if we had the architectural rendering or concept or something given to them. with those with what you're saying are the TSA requirements went along with this RFP because then it'll put it on a level playing field and we don't have to bend upon somebody from Albuquerque coming down here or Amarillo or wherever somebody may come from that we could make this a simplified process so that we can get local contractors to bet on this job. And fortunately, uh, our security, federal security and I've already had discussions on this and he's very clear about what's needed. I mean, he absolutely knows what's needed.

Would you put that in your RFP? We could do that. Yes, sir. I mean, so the scope needs to change here then. Yeah, we can if that's what you want to do. if that's what we're trying to do here. But but I'm I'm inclined again. We need to move on this. But no further no further. Mr. Fair, Miss Thompson, is it? I was curious for this is like an add-on to the terminal. Yeah. The the concept is uh where you have the current hold room uh if you've flown out of there where you now you park to go out onto the ramp to get on the aircraft. a hallway to get into the secondary building. Okay. Yeah. I bet this has to integrate with the terminal itself,

correct? I mean, obviously a new terminal would be of choice, but that's further out and a lot more money. Yes, ma'am. Um, speaking to what Mr. C's program was saying, we are doing a lot of work on the terminal. So do we have like a lot of base knowledge of internal the integrations and systems with all the remodeling we've been doing out there for a while? I think my thought would be that at the point where we can find about $40 million for a new terminal that the existing terminal could be leased out for purposes. I guess I guess what I was saying is we already have we're doing all this work out here with the current engineering department. So, but this has got to kind of integrate with that, right? Yes.

So, we already have like a base launch to snap into. And we do have uh previous drawings that were done uh by a couple other engineers that the airport had previously that did additional add-on spaces. So, we do have some previous concept drawings on additional areas similar to this. Okay. Thank you. Sounds good.

Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah, Phil, Bobby, this this sounds like a great idea. U and it sounds like you've got a nice plan going and started here and I really look forward to hearing about this more. Um it looks like to me it's kind of like a borderline design bill as they go, but you know, you said you already have a lot of the plans, you already have a lot of ideas. Basically, you got a good you got your arms wrapped around a good scope of work. And if we could get that uh you know with an engineer drawing and everything, we can put it out locally and turn it in from an RFP to an ITV uh and get it out to bids and get a little more competition. And what would be great to tag onto this would be an engineer's estimate. And because really an engineer's estimate would like to give us a great idea of what the cost associated with this is. And when we have a cost associated with it, we can actually, you know, get our arms really wrapped around it, knowing what the cost is, where we're going, and what it's going to cost us to get there. But, uh, man, I this is this is great. And if you already have a design pretty much maybe in your mind or wrap, you know, your arm wrapped around something cuz, you know, you mentioned the it's got the screens and all this stuff, and I hope it's not on CNN, but, uh, you get all the monitors on there. uh seating, bathroom seating doesn't sound complex, but uh an engineer's estimate would go a long way with it. I think Mulvin and Corb Molen and Corbin, I think it would be a great asset to get this started with an engineer's estim. [Music]

Yeah, cuz I look forward to seeing this. I really do. No, appreciate appreciate all the input. Awesome, Bobby. Thank you so much and for everything you do. Thank you, mayor. Thank you, Mayor. Yes, council.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You know, I recall being at one of the airport meetings and we had several different designs for just an easy item. Um, and some of them I liked, some of them I didn't like, some of them needed a little tweaking. We we've been down this road. I don't I don't understand why we're going about it this way. Uh and we can flush it out in committee a lot easier than we can here because we'll have we'll have the chance to do to to do this. I mean, I think your idea, Council Johnson, is is great. We've already got some potential designs already drawn. I don't know what that what happened with that paperwork those those plans that we were looking at.

We do have uh three different sets of concept drawing that have similarity to this. Okay. Nice. So why do we why do we need somebody to design it? Sound like we've got everything in house pretty close and we've already got somebody that's very familiar with airport and all the rules that go with that. So why do we have somebody else going to provide this design service?

Well, what what we have is pretty generic. Uh it doesn't really deal with the specifics of UNISX bathrooms uh security. It's basically a footprint drawing. and three different ways to expand terminal space, but not specifics to really more of a rendering than an engineering drive.

Three options and I think I mean construction, utility connections, inspections and testing and complying with all the rules. I think that's consistent. So, um I'm just really concerned about those words, design services. I think we can get that done as Councilman Hilderbrand pointed out probably at a more reasonable rate because we've already got somebody on board that does that kind of work and then we don't have to worry about an add-on or anything else or somebody that can just take the whole thing from design from concept design to completion. And the way this is worded looks like that's what you're looking for. Somebody that can take it from from concept to design to completion and and I don't see any checks and balances in here while that's going on. We accept it and then they're off to the races. They want to paint the walls red. I I guess they can. Uh I don't know. I just I mean I understand that this is what it is an RFP. I got it and that's just a request for proposals. And couple things I've noticed over the years. U RSP sometimes you get lots of inquiries, sometimes you get none. And I think if we had we did it the way we wanted to do it, use our planners that we already have. We're paying fee every year for them. I know this is an add-on. But then you've got a set of plans and then you just go right to construction

and then you can make that cost as part of that construction bid for construction inspection and testing and compliance with the rules. You say rules are easy. You got all that stuff. Well, see I I mean this if I was looking at this somebody that specially configured to do airport construction I just treat those committees so you can work out these details.

Well, you're you're certainly right. I mean, there's not too many things as regulated as airports. Bobby, I've been operating off airplanes my entire life. I know more. And they just keep adding more regulations when I care to sometimes, but that's how many times without some amendment or something, I can't I can't support this. I appreciate the input. Okay. Council Lady Arnold.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, Miss Thompson, I love the fact that you're bringing so many new ideas. I do have a question. Um, when did you when did this come up? I mean, when did you start working to bring this forward?

Uh, well, we've been trying to figure out how to improve our air service since I've been here because I can see several gaps in and needs there. So in working with our air service consultant, uh he saw a window of opportunity and knowing what was going on in the overall region and thought this was the timing was right to get this done especially with the state program for the minimum revenue guarantee and the process to get that uh and he had seen for example Farmington uh went through a very similar process uh and that's how they issued air service in Farmington. So, we wanted to take advantage of that same opportunity and that's why we brought this to you.

So, the air service deferment regarding expanding the TSA area.

Well, we we knew we needed that anyway, but we thought with the additional carrier, we have an additional carrier that just made the demands a lot higher. So my dilemma is why should I think this is more of an emergency than any any other thing that's presented to me there's a process and that process is there for a reason. Um I like I said don't misunderstand me. I'd love that you guys are completely ramped, but everything has to go through that process for me to just allow this to continue to go cuz that's two items that haven't gone to committee. And so that's not fair to anyone else who presents, you know, yes, I understand that you're working and things are moving, but everything is a process and actually being on top of that process in your planning is how you get things to move faster. Cuz at this point, u I'm not in favor of it because I don't think my people know enough about it. Well, I think that there was an opportunity window that opened and we wanted to take advantage of it uh to try to get service here a little sooner. So, uh we'll certainly follow your your recommendations and go through the process, but that probably puts us a year out.

Actually, sir, I'm not I'm sorry. I didn't know because I didn't want to see this. The hard part of that is I think there were people sitting at a table with me in 2023 when I'm like asking why aren't we started on this? Let's get moving. We need additional air carriers here. And so putting it in front of me like this, I find it kind of disrespectful in not including us in the process in communicating with this because now I have to vote no on something I've been asking for for 2 years because there is a process.

Well, I'm I'm very sorry if anything I've done seems disrespectful, but it certainly is not meant to [Music] motion. It's not a high enough motion. I think if we vote it down, Mr. Mayor, let me go over some rules with you real quick. It's my understanding that if we vote this down, then it can't be brought back for 6 months. and and and I get that, but you got a motion on the table and a second to to pass this thing. So, the only way out of this predicament is for them to remove the motion and then we send it on the infrastructure

or amend the motion that was made. Of course, our attorney is not here to tell us what the truth of that is. Well, nobody's offering any amendments. Amendments's always before us, but I I mean, you know, I it's not proper for me to discuss and then make an amendment, but I guess my sticking point is design services and the whole thought process on this thing seems to be a little bit out of whack. I I think this

the previous the air service development I'm I'm all for that. But to get to a point where if you don't follow the process then why am I here? Why am I elected official sitting at this count at this if I can't fulfill my obligation? Both of these do not allow me in my opinion to fill my obligation. [Music] You made a motion. I hope I heard you.

We've got a motion on the floor for council. Council press. I'm going to remove my motion. So you don't have a motion anymore. Okay. So make another motion. Okay. I'll make a motion. Mr. I move that we move item 28 to the infrastructure committee. Second. Any further discussion? Clerk, call the roll. Councelor Johnson. Yeah. Item 28 to the infrastructure committee. Councelor Odessa. Yes. Councelor Moore. No. Councelor Korn.

Yes. Councelor Cortez. Hi, Councelor Helderbrand. Hi, Councelor Mugal. Yes, councelor Arnold. Yes, councelor Halverson.

Are you still there? I hear snoring. [Music] She took a nap. Councelor Halbertson, are you still with us? It might be a time zone difference for unmute yourself. Yeah. Okay. So, what

councelor Halerson? Okay. I think she's gone. So by a vote of seven in the affirmative, one in the negative, the motion to send this to infrastructure committee. Duke passes. Thank you for your time and comment. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay. Next item. Uh 29, the ratification of appeal number 22 2260879 [Music] to Desert West Enterprises in the amount of $171,000 for paving the entry and drop off for and walkway to the national championship air races. Councelor Korn.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, I move that we ratify PO260879 Desert West Enterprises for 171,992.72 and I have debate. Have a motion by councelor Corn. Is there a second? Is there a second? Second. I have a motion by councelor Korn and a second by councelor Marujo to approve the ratification uh of PO number 226 600879 to Desert West Enterprises now $171,992.72 for paying the entry to the walkway of the national championship fair races. Is there any further discussion? Mr. Mayor

Council Gor. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, I've got a question. So, this PO is dated 8:18 [Music] and the date of the estimate is 87. So, when did you know this was going to happen? When did you know that we were going to need to do this? and answer the question.

I I think that's a fair question, counselor. Um, you know, obviously um we knew for a while that uh an entrance was required uh to the national championship air races. Um I I would I would like to point out that um you know we didn't we didn't idea I identify uh the funding source which is um state tourism grant funds until about May and we got um we got some agreements from the state but that funding um was not budgeted until August 14th and that was via resolution 24- uh 44 and um we couldn't issue the purchase order um until after that that funding was budgeted. Also, um you know, we uh when we hadn't completed the design process, um the the drawings weren't stamped until August 13th.

Well, Mr. fair. We had a finance committee on the 5th of August and we've known for a long time this was coming on and once again I mean and and I can tell you I know everything's moving fast but if anybody would called me and said can you have a special finance committee to get this stuff approved you'd be surprised how fast I can from motivated. And so I can't believe that we weren't far enough down the road to pass something in finance committee that subject to the final ratification or whatever you said on August 15th. Say when the money was actually ready to go,

August 14th.

August 14th. subject to this money coming on board on the 14th. Easy to do. I understand how the process works when you're dealing with money from Santa Fe and stuff. Done all the line. You can always make it, you can pass it subject to approval of funds. And then by the 15th, you look here real quick. I bet we'd had a city council meeting. Yes. The 14th we would have had a city council meeting and you would have known and we could have passed it with clear conscience. Is that a problem? Can you understand what I'm saying here? There's a process and we're not following our process. This is a backdoor approach for approved work that's already been been done. Now, I don't want to hold Desert West cuz I know those guys and I know the next two and you're going to hear essentially the same comments from me on the next two. You know what the process is? Figure out how to use the process. That means you have to plan a little further into the future when this stuff's coming up. You need to let people know that we're going to have to do this, we're going to have to do that, we're going to have to do this other thing, and it's all subject to this appropriation that we suspect will be done by the 14th or the 6th or whatever day. And because that's not a secret.

That's not a secret. And I'm just tired of these end runs, Mr. Mayor. Get darn tired of it. That's reason why I was one of the two no votes on this because I'm tired of the back door hand process. Tired of it. Council,

councelor Korn, I I would just tell you, you know, we went through those air races and we had a lot of different funding mechanisms that came together from many different departments of the state that helped us get things done. there a lot of the staff. We were everybody was putting a lot of hours in and a lot of time and just like city employees and um yes things things got a little hairy around I guess a little bit between different days about when the approval came for all those things to get that air race ready for to get the thing up. I mean, the FAA screwed everything up from the start when they screwed up our bleachers, and a lot of things never got much better than that. And, you know, when you turn around and look, uh, it's easy to come back, some things were handled a little differently and paperwork was probably delayed. But, you know, I think I I don't know that we necessarily have to uh dump on all the staff and and holler for a lot of things that happened. I think to people, yes, there were some timing differences around about where the money came from, which department it was coming from, but you know, all in all, I I think we put together a good thing. We did it as quick as we could and uh you know I I don't this quarterbacking it at at the end and and uh you never held it because uh when I think people really worked hard to get the air show in here and get it functioning and going.

Excuse me.

Excuse me. you have your time. You can speak when you're asked, but this is my time and I'm just saying I don't know that uh I don't know that we gain a lot by uh being a yes. Things are getting better. They're a hell of a lot better than they were four years ago. But there there are problems. We were attempting something that was a very large uh project with a lot of moving targets and and I I just I just don't think we should go after staff necessarily. Uh we'll try to do better. I think they'll try to do better. I think he can look at that and see that one one date is 8:18 and the other one's 8:14. Uh, but you know that's we were doing an awful lot of work and people were putting a lot of hours in it and I'm sorry if that's offensive but you know we we've been through a lot of this stuff and sometimes you know it's we can't just always go after the people they brought us to the dance. So,

okay. Now, you can speak whoever else wants to. Johnson, you know, uh you can call me Monday morning quarterback. I don't care. You know, here's the deal. You know, we've got audit findings uh that we want to try to just eliminate. And we've talked about this at length. And you know, our objective was to get the uh end card. I mean, that was so important.

Still important. We want to stand behind that 100%. But, you know, when all these moving parts get going, we also have to stop and look at our responsibilities. You know, we're not we're pay we've got a new auditor. We're paying somebody to tell us where we're we're we got we're being performed with our invoices and stuff. And look, we just need to seize on the moment. Just look at an opportunity to get better at what we do. That's all. And I think we can and I think we should. And um you know, if we we just can't we can't make excuses. I'm sorry. Uh, mayor, I I I agree with you. You know, you shouldn't be jumping on the step, but at the same time, we all got responsibilities and it's time for, you know, all of us just to, you know, hey, just take that extra step cuz I'm going to tell you that their races were so important to each and every one of these counselors up here. You snap your fingers, we would be in a meeting and we would approved anything you needed us to do. And I think we still would. Just Hey, just remember, we got your back, okay? We do. Just call us. will be there for you. Uh special meetings cuz we've had them before and we've been there and I we wouldn't we wouldn't hesitate to do it again because it's important that the city of Roswell is just responsible with our finances and walking a straight line and uh I mean it was a hell of a air show. We did a great job there and uh we've looked forward to doing more. We just can't let the moment get caught up in the moment and forget our responsibilities to the taxpayers of life.

Thank you, mayor. Yes, sir. Any further comments? Call for the question, Mr. Mayor. [Music] Okay. So, so we have a question to ratify and to pay item 29, which is ratification of PO22-6000879 to Desert West Enterprises in the amount of 171,992.72 uh for paving for the entry drop off. We need to call the call for the question. He called for the question. She called. I'm sorry. Okay. On that. Okay. We the clerk could call the role on the call for the question.

Councelor Johnson. Yes. Council. Yes. Councelor Moore. Yes. Councelor Korn. Yes. Councilor Cortez. Hi. Councelor Henbrand. Hi. Council. Yes. Councelor Arnold. Yes. And Mr. Mayor, for the record, councelor Halverson left the meeting at 10:10 Mountain Standard Time. 10:10. Okay. Okay. So, by a vote of eight, who was close? Eight in affirmative and none of the negative.

And so, now we can move on. Okay. So, we have called the question. So now we're back to item 29 on a motion by council for second by councelor Marudenhole to approve appeal number 22-600879 to Desert West Enterprises in the amount of $171,992.72 for paving paving entry dropway drop off and walkway to the national championship pair of races. Clerk will call the role. Councelor Johnson. Yes. Councelor Odessa. Yes. Councelor Moore. Yes. Councelor Korn. No. Councelor Cortez. Hi. Councelor Helenbrand. No.

Councelor Marov. Yes. Councelor Arnold. No. So, what was our vote? Is it three? So, five and three. Yes, sir. And we needed a majority of all the governing body. We had to have six. Yes. Therefore, the motion does not pass. Mr. Mayor, will not be paid. Mr. Mayor, excuse me. I will recast my vote. UN.

Yes. Can I ask the question? Yes. What would happen if that didn't since that's some bill that we have to pay? What would happen if if we had the five to three and nothing that you know the bill would not be paid. So we don't pay the bill till next month or something or something and come back. That's right. If it was 5 to three. Well, and one more other question. Is it illegal to ratify it after? Is it illegal? Would that be Mr. Cole or the mayor? It would not. So he's not doing something wrong, right?

It is a contract. It only needs a majority. I'm not talking to them. It just takes a majority. It just takes a majority. It's not an ordinance. So it my vote my voting stays or no.

Okay. So I'm not So it's not illegal to do what what what for you to ratify after the fact because like you said, some of the designs were made later. the money came in later and and to me you Mr. Co you'd have probably questioned more if he'd come in and say well maybe on the September if we have some money then maybe we can pay the you' probably been more mad about that than coming in afterwards when we already had when he has the money. So I just wanted to know if it was illegal if if if yes what he did was illegal then I don't think he should have been jumped on don't shoot the messenger you know kind of thing. I think I think I think that was really disrespectful to talk to him like that in an open forum. Uh if you had an issue with that, I think you should have took care of that with him afterward. I think that was really rude and disrespectful to talk to this young man in this open forum like that when he followed the rules that that they would that we've been allowing them to do all this time. You know, I mean, I can see if it had never happened before, but the ratification after the fact has happened many times. So you that's my opinion and then that's that's just all it

feel that was I think that was just I'll can I respond to that for just a second you have I'm not I'm not questioning the legality of this but it's a long way from best practices. I that's why I didn't know it was legal. That's why I wanted to ask that first. Okay. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I'm sorry for my words in

for item 30 approve for the next item. Item 30 approve the ratification appealed at 22-600 uh 829 to J&D electric in the amount of $252,44257 for electric equipment to provide power to the grand stands for the national championship air races. Uh, Councilman Korn.

Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Move we approve ratification P 226008 29 the JT electric for $252,44257. Um, and Mr. Chairman or Mr. Mayor, I'm not going to ask all those questions. I think I'm making the point. Yeah, there's a process. We're not following the process. That's my motion. And we have a motion by councelor Korn.

Second by councelor Korn, a second by councelor Moore. Any further questions? Okay. So, we have a motion to approve item 30, the ratification of appeal number 22-6000829 to J&D Electric in the amount of $2524 $252,44257 for electric equipment provided to the grand spans the national champ races. So um any further comments clerk will call a roll.

Council Johnson, yes. Council, yes. Councelor Moore, yes. Councelor Korn, no. Councelor Cortez, hi. Councelor Helterbrand, no. Council, yes. Councelor Arnold, no. by a vote of five to three. [Music]

Okay. 505 and affirmative in the negative u item 30 which is the approval of the ratification of field 22-6000829 to J electric amount of 252,4427 [Music] for electric equipment to the grand trans air races national temperature air races has passed. Next we have item 31.

Thank you, Mr. I move to approve application of PO22601020 to JG Electric for the amount of 7732186 or Oh, this is boring for the service, right? Okay, got it. That's okay. This is We have a motion. We have a motion by council for a second by

second Johnson. And um so we have a motion to approve item uh deal number 22601020 mounted to J&D electric for $77,32186. Any further discussion? Mr. Mayor, councelor Zillbrand.

Yes, Mayor. All right. Out this uh 30 days ago at finance committee about the process and at that point in time I made a statement I'm sticking by my statement that I would vote no on ratifications. I'm not against the problem. I'm not against the projects, but it's the process. And I'm ought to stand by my word. As I've always, we were elected as a governing body. And we are charged by the community to oversee the finances. And I find it an insult that that's been taken away from us. and it should not be taken away from us in the future. So, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

Is there any further comments? Mr. Mayor, council,

just quickly say that every day I get notifications from Todd, our public affairs officer, and I know everything that's going on in the city very quickly from him. I appreciate that. I know when people are stabbed, tanks are police are responding and fire. I think what I hear what we want to say is that it isn't city councilors are city employees as well, right? We are we have a different role. We don't do the hard work that you guys do, but we do have a different role.

Yeah. I just think that uh it's not us versus staff or part of staff. We just have a different role in the system. We really truly do and I know we've been really responsive to special meetings. Um I know I've attended every single one that we've had. I just I think that's somewhere we could work on and that's my thought. So that's saying I'm done. Thank you. Okay. Any further discussion? A motion by councelor uh Korn seconded by councelor Johnson u for item 31 to approve the ratification of PO-206 2026 01020 to J&G electric for 77,000 for boring at the grand for boring the grand stands. Clerk will call the role. Councelor Johnson,

yes. Councelor Odesa, yes. Councelor Moore, yes. Councelor Korn, no. Councelor Cortez, hi. Councelor Elderbrand, no. Councelor Marugo, no. Councelor Arnold, you say no. You got to vote. Yes. No. Voted. He voted no. I'm sorry. Council would he voted no they won't get paid

I'm going to take this I'm not going to do this to the vendor city has voted well council did you know I did not no I didn't and I don't like being put in this position at all. That's the second time that you people have done this to me. Go ahead.

I'm talking to the administration. This is just downright wrong. Yes, Miss Mayor. Yes, councelor Hill. She said yes. Vote is five and you affirm any who said yes. She did. So those people get paid. So Mr. Mr. Mayor just to be clear the this kind of action doesn't require the six vote. No,

it's not an ordinance or resolution. It was just the majority of the majority. [Music] President of the Okay. So, next we have city manager, if you please give us a few reports. Something like Yes, sir. Mayor Jennings, members of the council, uh thank you for ratifying those POS. that you don't uh we will give a mission possible uh to have those air races ready. Um is this better? Yeah, that's good. Yeah,

there you go. As you know, we were given mission impossible to get those air races ready and 47 acres paved, uh new driveways, etc., etc. uh FA backing us up to September 2nd uh with their approval of those bleachers uh which dictated the placement of the electrical uh all of those issues. Uh so I appreciate uh uh your your um ratifying those POS for us tonight so those vendors can get paid. Uh this was a citywide effort uh as you mentioned and uh as many people have said tonight uh and previously it took all of the city uh and several departments to get that done um the way to the point. Uh we also met uh with the county today uh several of us um to discuss emergency manager going forward. Uh the county has hired its own emergency manager uh personnel. Uh and right now we have a joint powers agreement uh that's listed in our financial audit as well. Uh it goes way back to the 1990s with the county where we split costs for an emergency manager. Uh they have indicated to us that the new fiscal year, fiscal year 27, they will no longer be uh split funding those costs with us. Uh so we just want to make sure that's clear. Uh so we're not back and forth that we have a full budget for next year. We want to contemplate that. Uh so so we did clarify that uh with the county today. Uh we will be meeting uh the staff, the finance staff and I will be meeting with Chris Gardner. Uh he is our auditor um from our previous

auditor. Uh, of course we have a new auditor and Andre Hario uh for uh current audit uh of the financial statements, but I want to predicate that because uh the fiscical year 24 audit is outstanding to this day. Uh it is holding us up. That affects our bond rating. That affects our ability to get grants. Uh I just want to make it clear uh so that staff uh is is uh uh the council going forward. Uh but we are meeting with Mr. Gardner every week until we get this uh completed and submitted. As councelor Hilden Brand knows, coming from an accounting background, CPA, um the previous auditor has to share their uh workpapers with the new auditor coming in. So I need Mr. Gardner to finish that audit, share his workp papers so we can continue forward and so we don't pick up a late audit finding for the latest audit that our new auditor is working on. So I just want to make that clear to everyone. Um no surprises. U real quick update on the implementation of uh financial accounting software for the entire uh city. Uh we've beat this horse to death. We know that Tyler is not a good software system. It's not very well supported. Um and updates are not uh very uh timely either. Um, lots of problems with Tyler. We're moving on to Netswuite, doing a full implementation of Net Wheats, Net Suite financial software in the current fiscal year. Um right now where we're at with

that is crosswalking the chart of accounts u for Tyler to uh shift over to net suites uh as has been reported by the previous treasurer and our current finance director. Um this Tyler software was never never set up to the proper charm accounts. That's one of the issues, one of many uh with our accounting uh records that make it very difficult. Um so just want to update you on that. Right now we're aligning chart accounts crosswalk home. Uh and again this is something staff and I are meeting on every week uh both on net suites and uh clear or open gov budgeting software. Uh certainly don't want to get into a debacle with our budgeting software. uh that we're implementing and that needs to tie into that same chart accounts that same crosswalk won walk as net suites uh and I know there's a lot of pressure to uh start the budget process as early as possible this year as well. So we are working uh non-stop to make that happen for you as well. Um wanted to also uh make sure everyone is aware that community development is moving to a new building. They are moving out of the existing facility that they've been in. We've encountered a lot of mechanical issues, air conditioner failures, um elevator failures, uh fires in the building, evacuations in the building. We're moving out of that building. Um that is going to put us down for 2 days in community development. We will release that information a week ahead of time to the public. Uh maybe the newspaper will help us out a little bit too. Um we will be

closed at community development on November 21st and 22nd to complete the move and complete the IT uh move as well in setting up the systems in the new building. But just want to make you aware of that November 21st 22nd we will be moving. Um and uh with that any questions? Where's the new where's the community development moving moving to for the So the written down the address the old central 21 building

directly Kentucky it won't be far to get yes Kentucky and it's close to the gnome show you know where that's I'm sorry I've just been informed I said November it's October 21st 22nd

Thank you Mike thank you Okay. Uh, for anybody on the way home, there was an accident with a fatality at the corner of McGaffy and Union. Yes. About an hour and 30 minutes ago. So, uh, I probably wouldn't go that way. You know, I mean, it's a good chance he'll be investigating it. So, just for everybody's knowledge. Anything else? Freeze