City Planning & Zoning - Regular Meeting

Yes, I did. Okay. You mind that and sending it down, please? Let me know when you're ready. Okay, now we're ready when you are.

All right, we'd like to welcome everybody. Thank you for coming. Uh, let's go ahead and call the meeting to order. Let's do a roll call. Keith, gospeed. Lyn Stone here. Is it echoey? The speakers are okay. Did everybody get a chance to go over the last meeting's minutes? We have any changes? I move we approve the minutes. I'll second. Do we have any further discussion on the minutes? Let's go ahead and do a roll call vote.

I I John I and I. Thank you. Um we did you realize you put today's date or last month's date on today's agenda? It's not correct. The one you're looking at probably from last month. Yeah. Is there is there meetings? I didn't. Did you print the this? I did. I got this this month and last month. Yeah. You wanted both, right? Yeah. They both have July 2nd. August.

August. That's all right. I just want to make sure you have the right one. And it's different from last time. Yeah. Last one. I think we're good. Um, we don't need a public hearing today. Correct. Sorry. Action items. Trailer park will be fine. We've got he's Yeah, it's good. Chair has one. Okay. Bosses trailer park extension proposal. Do we have any updates on Okay,

we're trying to get Daniel zoomed in here. Hopefully sound first.

I think we probably better jump to Okay. So, let's jump down to Oh, his isn't on my my agenda. It was on this one. It was right here. I think you I just Okay. Whatever you tell me. Sounds great without that on the camera. All right. If you would raise your right hand and repeat after me. Are you going by Jeff or Jeffrey?

Uh Jeffrey probably. Okay. I, Jeffrey Baker I, Jeffrey Baker have been elected appointed to the office have been elected appointed to the office of planning and zoning commission of planning and zoning commission do solemnly swear do solemnly swear or affirm or affirm that I will support that I will support obey and defend obey and defend the Constitution of the United States the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Utah and the Constitution of the State of Utah and that I will discharge the duties of my office with fidelity And then I will discharge the duties of my office with fidelity.

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Very good. for the record announced that he was now sitting in on uh Jeffrey um Baker is now sitting in on meeting as our newest commission commissioner

Daniel can you hear Wait. Sure. I think this guy just

Hey, Daniel, can you Well, can you hear us turn down? It's coming from

Yeah, we're going to try calling you, Daniel. Your sound's playing through the other room.

I don't know how to change that. number down. Okay, I go to zoom then go to more. I think if you hit that up arrow by audio and then select the speaker. Hang on just a second. We might can get you on.

I don't know which one though.

How about we got it? Try try talking Daniel. All right. I I've got my Perfect. Yeah. All right, we have one of those phone, right? Yes. I just did. Okay. Thanks, Daniel, for joining us. You bet. Thank you.

Okay. So this is a follow up on item on manufactured existing trailer court on 2007 the what more known as the Rosie Turner trailer court out by the airport. So Daniel was asked to go back and revisit the road widths and hard surface and uh some other items there. Uh Daniel, would you like to just speak to to the concerns that we brought up last time and let us know what you did to mitigate that?

You bet. So, um so yeah, we did uh put the put the road in um and with the flare at the bottom. Uh we did the stop signs um and uh fire hydrant. We ran a fire hydrant there to the back. Um, so it's within uh good distance for for the back end of the park. Um, and uh, so that was kind of the main things. A couple things uh that Johnson Water requested a couple items. Um, and so we went ahead and and got that taken care of as well for them. Um, and then um, I think that's most of it. And and as far as like the conjunction of the of the back of the property in the front um is just to reiterate that this this is a dilapitated dilapitated park in front and so um it it is you know been reiterated and and I know uh uh but we we are working on getting it cleaned up and um and so you know that's going to be a main a main focus as well while we're doing On the construction end of things, we've talked to the construction crew and uh some of the bids we have does include uh removing all the debris in the back as well as some in the front and then cleaning all that stuff up. So, we'll have receptacle containers there. So, during that grub period, we can go ahead and and start really aggressively working on the front section as well. So,

okay. Very good. Uh just to clarify on the roads going in there as far as the the uh proposed RV park there. We have what's the buffer area? I didn't see that called out in between the manu or the RV park stall and the hard surface. What's that width? Um at 20 ft I believe. Okay. It it Let me zoom it in a little bit here. But yeah, it looks like that was a 20 foot buffer zone. Okay.

Yeah. Um on page, let's see, one, two, three, um it it shows uh that buffer there and and it calls out the width there. Where is this Drew? this buffering you're talking about is that between the trailer court and the so and the roads in the standards or in our uh in our ordinance it says that we need to have 15 foot before a manufactured home from the from the roads on the sides basically is how I read this ordinance uh and 20T in the rear. Okay. Yeah, got it. Sorry. I thought you were talking about the buffer zone between existing and the proposed.

No, sorry. So So no, no problem. So, so between the the um uh so how it's designed is the trailer will sit behind the the hard surface parking. So, the hard surface parking comes right off of the the road. And so, um and those and then but the trailer then will sit behind those and those are um they're either 18 by 18 or 20 by 20. Um trying to see. So it would it would meet that the trailer would be 15 ft behind uh the road.

So on the side where the proposed road access is there Daniel where you've got the 75 ft width called out that little buffer area right there on the sides. So on the west So on the west side where it says proposed access right uh parallel with your proposed RV stalls. Okay. Yeah. So that buffer in between the east side, east edge of the asphalt to the first stall. I didn't have a measurement for that. Okay. Buffer

and and I'm pretty sure we've got at least the 15 ft, but I can make sure that that's called out. So you're saying basically along both sides of the existing access, we'll just need to have that measurement that there's at least a 15 ft buffer between that and the first trailer that's currently there and then 20T on the rear. And I'm not sure it didn't call that out on the the rear side of that as well. Okay. And and I'm I'm seeing it is called out on the rear of the 20 foot, but I'll I'll extend that down the sides as well.

Yeah. So, basically, it says that 15 ft wide on the sides, 20 ft on the rear, and in the front of the manufactured home park shall be left unoccupied by manufactured homes. So, meaning that that buffer area cannot have manufactured homes in it. We have to have that space. that bumper area.

Okay. And and from Yeah. And and I'm And then the only one that might be a little tight is the top right hand one. So the east east side one in the middle. But we'll just make sure that that road is 15 ft from that trailer. And if it's not, then we can remove the trailer and fix it. Okay. Any questions? Well, I have a couple. I have a concern. Okay, go ahead.

Well, does does Mrs. Turner still own the trailer court then or who owns that now? You said formerly Rosie Turner. So Daniel recently has retained ownership of this, right, Daniel? As of Yes. Um, and yeah, it's under ownership of RHSC, uh, which is an LLC we we we have this under. Okay. And I don't know how to Is there anything we can do about the trailer court to to tie it to to clean it up or

not not just clean, but I mean there's old trailers there that are abandoned, I'm sure. And it says replace the existing units with updated units. What is that plan?

So it it's a phase one, too. I I'm I'm wishing I was had the cash to just strip it all right now, but there is income coming in with the park right now. And so we're having to do phase one, phase two. So phase one will be the infrastructure in the back, but part of the business plan is that's got to get cleaned up in the front as well. You know, really no one's going to want to park a trailer in the back with the existing being the way it is. So, it will be uh a process of um removing trailers on a on a consistent basis and getting trailers in there that are newer, nicer, um combination of that and some grass space. Um so, it's it's um it I guess I guess what I'm saying it's in the process. Uh there's one person that's saying that they're getting their trailer moved and uh and so another one we've we've got slated to get moved. So as they become empty and they're not uh in decent shape, then those ones we are moving out. Um it's just not a strip it all at once plan. It's going to be uh through the construction phase and um and then clean up and then as they come available or uh you know as as the condition of them if there's if there's any you know vacant then of course we want to get those out so we can create some income with a good unit there. And uh

so you ask how how that's how that's or how long that's going to be. I I we're already have a movement now. I expect within the next year, especially while we're doing construction and back, we're going to have a good chunk of it done. H how many are vacant now? There are um one, two, three vacant right now. And are you planning on who owns those? You do?

Um uh I own one of them. the other two um are owned by other people and we've instructed them that uh so so with the transfer to ownership we've upped the agreement so that there's harsher penalties for not keeping it clean as well as keeping it in an orderly and not have vacant units that can have some lawyer lawyering stuff going on. So, um, so, so I guess we're we're implementing our our ownership rights to make sure that as, as we move through this process that we're following the legalities of, you know, moving people out if they're not adhering to the park policies.

How many of them do you own? We own 10. So, are you intending to sell those 10 to the current occupants?

So, there's a combination of stuff. Um, we have sold uh two of the units, one to an outside guy that was going to come in, rehab it, um, and and clean up one of the units. We we had 12 initially, so we have 10 currently. Um, as far as selling to the current tenants, um, we've been very selective and and maybe the right word is cautious. Um, there there's a habit of people not paying out there. And so, uh, so we we haven't just come in with a with a big stick is what I'm saying. So, as far as are we intending to sell them to the new tenants, no, because I don't think they have the capacity to keep it up to the par where we need it. And so, um I I think some of the tenants are feeling like they would like to buy them. Um but but that's that's not the intent. The intent here is to get it cleaned up and looking nice and and that's not going to be with the existing tenants for the most part. Okay, that's

question question for Drew. Do we does the city council recognize and approve, you know, a new RV park? So, this isn't new. This is considered a grandfathered in under that same land use that the original trailer park is designated under because it's one lot. It's not separated by a separate parcel of property. This is one parcel of property. So, so what what you're saying is new ones aren't permitted. Correct.

Yeah. But if it was a new lot, if this lot was split in half, we wouldn't we wouldn't be considering this. But under the existing park standards and requirements, it's approved where it was where it was under one lot at the original time of approval. But it has to be brought to as far as the new construction, it needs to be brought to the the current R17.10 manufactural standards. the new part. Yes. What about the existing? Is there anything the standards that govern that?

The standards are the standards. They they need to comply with the existing standards that are in place with with the approval of the existing trailer court. So, if there's debris, refuse, those things, that would be a code enforcement violation that potentially could be sought after as well. So, as far as the the garbage and things like that, yeah, that would be a code enforcement violation. And I think Daniel's going to some great lengths to try to clean that up. It has made improvements in the past couple months. Um, is there any plan for paving the road in the existing part?

Not in the existing where that would be grandfathered in, but the two sides would be paved where they're currently not. So the improvement would be paving the east and west 30 foot approaches going clear through. If someone leaves a trailer and just abandons it, can we have your assurance or can it that that it'll be moved and cleaned up? Right.

So, so this is a this is an income business venture and definitely if there's if there's an abandoned something there, it's not making us money and we're going to do everything within the law um uh to get that removed as quick as possible and get something in there that is appealing to the remainder of the court. Yes. And as far as Daniel, just to um reiterate as far as the code violation on the trash and refuse, I know and we that currently is in violation of Roosevelt City Code. So is there some things that we can do to mitigate that?

Um yes. So, when we were under contract on the property, uh the the violation was issued and so the the police department had sent out a uh a letter. Um so when I got involved, the police reached out to me and so I've been in touch with them. Um and so with with they they've gone out and they've seen the progress and so um yeah, I've been working with them to to make sure that we're keeping that going. Um, we just sent out another issue last week that we're charging a hefty fine on everybody unless they get their their space cleaned up. It it's um it's a little so so that that's where I'm I'm bringing in the construction phase of this where we're going to have big containers there and and ability to actually haul a bunch of that stuff off. I think a lot of the tenants are are uh are just not doing anything and so we we can find them and then when they don't do it we can give them a notice to vacate and and that's our our uh I guess legal approach on this. Um and as that filters through and gets through to the people then yeah we can we can start clearing stuff up. we we can clean up all the stuff that's not theirs, but I can't go in their yard and pick out their junky lawn mower and throw it away for them. Um so so that that's partly why it's taken a little bit longer just because we have to go through the appropriate notices. Um but we are working through that. Okay,

Drew. Does um does this RV park require a conditional use permit or is that grandfathered in? No, it it would be a a permitted use under the existing original approval of the RV or trailer RV park where it's the same parcel property. The land use hasn't changed. If the land use changed and going back, then it wouldn't be permitted. But where it has not changed, it's just extending the original on the same part. So the property would be improved. So So the existing trailers right now, they have their own trash recepticles, correct? They do. Yes. So what are you planning on the back section? Are they all going to have their own individual?

Yes. There there's going to be additional trash receptacles for the back uh RV park. Correct. So they'll have their own for for every site. and they're going to have their own trash can. Um, I didn't place in there every site uh just for collectibility, but there is a uh there would be a uh a bin that would be put out back for them uh to put their trash in. So, where where is the bin going to be? Uh it's currently slated to be on the uh east or west side. Um, uh, let's see. Behind unit 31 or on the side of unit 31.

31. That's 30. Is 31. I can't see. That's too green. That's the east side. Yeah, that's the east side. West side would be starring. section right there in that bottom left corner. Oh, yes, right there. Oh, okay. There it is.

Well, I've been out I've been out there. I honestly um before we approve this would would like to see the the place I mean cleaned up and some of these junk trailers moved out and you know and get the the front part looking better. I mean it just I I'm just having trouble approving this with the front looking like it is. I mean, we could bring it back another time, you know, if he's if you know, if he's keeps working at cleaning up and replacing some of the front ones, but right now it's it's a disaster.

It it is in rough shape and it has been that way for many many years. Um I I would ask for your help in uh what's allowing us to move through and clean up the park is putting in the other infrastructure so that we can have the capacity and the money and the flow income to bring in new units and uh so as a whole it cleans up on on my end from from a business venture. If I don't clean up the front, I'm not going to get the return on the back. Uh because it's going to be quite expensive to put the infrastructure in. So just by the dynamics of what is needed, it it's definitely going to be cleaned up and and needed to be cleaned up from a financial standpoint. And I and I know ultimately on your end that's really what is wanted. If if the back approval is conditional upon the cleanup, then there's a it's from a financial end, it's it's a reverse. And um I I I guess I I would appreciate or I would uh request that we can move ahead with this infrastructure and uh and we can put some guidelines and but I I mean we've come a long ways on it and we're going to continue to come a long ways as far as our our cleanup on this. So currently you're you've been issued some a code violation letter with Daniel, our code code compliance officer.

Yes, it was issued to Rosie previously. Okay. And of course since we bought it and that transfers over to us and I've been in touch with uh Roosevelt City um as they've u been monitoring and making sure that uh there's progress in that cleanup from that violation that was initially issued. Yes. So when do you anticipate being out of violation with that request?

Um so I would think within so next 30 days. Um, I talked to him 2 and 1/2 weeks ago and uh and he and he felt like um it was making enough progress that that he he felt like giving an extension on the initial one was in line and he said thank you for the progress. We'll go another 45 days or so and he and to get this next level done and so it's it's in the works and it's in the process of getting done. Okay. What what is the nature of that violation?

So that violation by by ordinance would be um the weeds and the the refuse the garbage on the exterior side of the home to be cleaned up to be in compliance with Roseville City's code. If you go down clear to the to the to the west end and look back behind there, I mean there just tons and tons of garbage in there. And and that is what you were sighting for, correct?

Um cleaned up. I they they didn't point out a specific spot. It was the whole place really is what it is. So, but but there was a huge pile of uh I know they taken multiple trailer loads out of the big pile of uh appliances that somebody had been collecting there for the last few years. Um so I know that was one of the big issues and uh there's still some there but it's certainly a lot less. Um, yeah. And what my understanding also is is it's the debris that the people are leaving in their yard instead of taking to the dumpster and then the wind comes in and blows it over to the neighbors. So, that's where we can get involved and cite them for not picking up, you know, the the trash in their front yard.

So, just to recap, I think the concern coming from the commission is the existing garbage that's on the lot. Um, you have been cited for the lob to clean up the lot. Within 45 days, all garbage will be cleaned off, the whole entire parcel. Um, I didn't get specifics with the officer. Um, what what his point was is we need to get it to a point to where there's no more complaint. So, in other words, any any of the stuff that blows away and causes problems, that needs to be taken care of immediately. uh when it comes to the because when you go out back there's old wire that was thrown out there and there's just a myriad of junk. There's a pile on the west end of stuff that's getting smaller but but really there's there's a scattering of of garbage across that whole back. Heavy garbage that doesn't blow away but still is debris. and and that's part of our bid uh when it comes to um our our site plan of scraping and getting rid of all of that other stuff as well.

So, um I just want to make a comment. I for some reason about 6 8 months ago I drove through there and it was it was a disaster. I drove through there again a week or week and a half ago and it is a lot better than it was 6 months ago. I mean, it does still have a long ways to go, but it is better. But what you're saying is as soon as you start construction, you're going to have bigger bins there that you're going to be able to throw stuff into and and get rid of all that. Right now, you just don't have construction bins there to get rid of stuff. Is that what you're saying? Yes, exactly.

So, okay. Another concern I have is is I'm assuming that's two trash bins in the in the corner that you're you're providing. Is that enough? Do we have a an ordinance as far as how much trash it? Just the ordinance states they have to take care of their refues, their garbage.

I'm I'm just looking at 70 something units and those trash cans are going to have to be dumped every two days. So part of what is is going on here um which it it which we're working on but there there's a because it's so trashy there's a combination of the tenants dumping their uh you know mattresses and this that and the other. Um we've also got reports that other people come through and use the the trash receptacle as kind of their dump. So it gets filled up very quickly. So you're right if if we're needing more what So I guess what I'm saying is is there's a flexibility here of those trash recepticles to get bigger than what's there to either uh encompass it or uh get additional ones put over on the other side. Um, and and again, I think once there's a a a clear out, then there's going to be a maintenance level. And if the current maintenance of those two dumpsters to what size they're needed to be, if that isn't working, then then yeah, you bet. We we'd of course have additional receptacles to make sure that we can maintain what what trash is needed in there.

Okay. And then are you planning on enclosing those dumpsters? there. Um, it's not written in it, but usually that's a good idea as far as just a three-way three-way uh, you know, fence around it from the prevailing wind. Um, and and where we eliminated the uh the unit 63 on the other side is I'm likely going to be moving the proposed trash receptacle over to the other side just because it'll have more space and uh and and do something more with with the protection fence around it. Um but yeah, that that's been discussed as far as what's going to be needed there.

Drew, have you seen the age? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, it does talk about closed structure compatible in design and construction to the manufactured homes. Um, so it does talk about a closed structure to house the refuse. So might be something that we need to look at as far as a fence with some probably privacy l and when you say enclosed structure like a four-way enclosed or a three-way enclosed or

the definition we probably have to look up that definition or define that. But it basically just said uh all storage and solid waste receptacles outside of the confines of the manufactured homes must be housed in a closed structure compatible in design and construction to the manufactured homes and service buildings. Okay. So left available to throw stuff in. So I think you're talking a three-sided potential enclosure. One one could argue as well the lids on the garbage cans could also it's it's pretty big. It's really big. But I think bottom line is don't let it blow over to the neighbors.

I think the bottom line is just so it contains the garbage. Three-sided containment that we see in a lot of commercial areas would would be good. And and also um we're requiring two parking places per manufactured home space. Are those spots big enough? Yes, he's he's got the two Oh, he does have the two match boxes on there. Yes. Okay.

I I just would say that for me before we improved an extension of this, I just would like to see it the rest of it cleaned up. And some of those units, I mean, some of them have windows out or, you know, open and I mean, they need to be the units need to be gone. And uh I just like to see some more done there before we we extend this. That's how how old are these units?

They range from the 60s, uh 70s, 80s, some in the '9s. I don't think there's many newer than that. So your 60s and 70s you you can't take them anywhere else. Can't take them anywhere anyway. No other than the dump. So So the ones that are vacant there just need to be I mean they're going to get rid of we need to see some of those gone and some of the all the cleanup when you go down to the end there there's a semi park down at the very far end but behind it I mean there's loads of junk and garbage there still. It's just

So, are the the older ones, are you planning on remodeling those or what are you doing with them? Are they not owned by you?

The the ones that we own that get older. Uh we're we're moving those out. Uh those those we're not going to remodel those. They they don't merit it. Um uh but we but they're not vacant right now. And so as we're as we're working through that and giving people notice to uh um you know that that these eventually are going to be moving down the road. So it's it's well these vacant ones if you don't own them we need to I mean the owner's not is pretty sure not going to move them. So somebody's got to get them out of there.

Got it. So, so what we're dealing with is on the vacant ones, we've got one is is owned by someone else and he's planning on getting it fixed up. Um, and that one is a little bit newer. Um, on the the lot number 15 that we own, that one, you're right, we're not putting renters in it. We're not we're not doing anything on it. And that one, yes, we're going to we're working on getting that one moved out. Uh and then um the other vacant one uh that we don't own um they've told us that they're going to plan on moving it and as of you know a week or two ago. So that was my understanding.

And how how long is the construction of the backside going to take?

Uh we're still in um we're going to be three months, two months, three months. um I think pretty easy. Um a few different numbers coming in on people, but it it's going to be at least uh I anticipate a 3 to four month pro project. Uh the grubbing end on the front can be, you know, once we engage with our we we we're still collecting some bids, so we haven't um chosen a contractor yet. Um but but yeah, that once we engage that, then I'm I'm anticipating three to four months. But you you don't know when you're going to start it though.

Um as soon as I have approval, uh we're going to start. So um that that's that's the plan. We we hope with approval um within within a couple weeks would be the plan that we'd be starting. Is there a local uh on-site manager in either place, either the trailer court or the uh RV park? Well, the RV isn't there yet? Yeah, the RV. Well, when it's there, is it planned for there?

Um that that's to be determined. Meaning that if there if there is a good person that we can put on site and be local management, that'd be fantastic. Historically, they've had somebody unit number two has been kind of the the on-site manager, but um obviously not doing a good job. So, um we we've currently been hiring and we've got a gentleman that was referred to us uh that we've been um we talked to actually yesterday. And so, we're we're working on getting some uh on-site management that can be more, you know, prevalent. But no, there's not a site that says this is an on-site management building.

For a motion, I'd make a I'd like to make I I have a question first, Drew. So, Roosevelt City Code allows an RV to be a yearround dwelling. Yeah. in an RV park or the existing trailer courts. Existing trailer courts just by default also encompass the u the RV. So yes, not anywhere else, just in the mobile home parks. So So you're different than the county. The county does considers that an RV is for recreational use only, temporary housing,

right? But this this can be permanent housing according to the city codes. They can they can live in a in a trailer court. Yes. Correct. They have to get a license each year like the code says. They're supposed to have a business license. Yes, they are. I mean cards on this like you like it says you can revoke it at any time if they if there's failure to maintain. Correct. So,

and and with this one where we've already and the code enforcement is a lengthy process, Daniel, as you well know, you have to send out you have to send out notice of violation letters if it gets to the point where we we can actually send it to the county to impose a fine on their taxes. So, we have safety stops on the code enforcement violation and the refuse. So, if Daniel doesn't comply with what has already been started several months ago, uh there's going to be fines imposed on the existing what's there. So, yeah. And that will be tied to the business license, which currently we're updating and enforcing a lot. Sierra actually is over our business licensing now where before we didn't have a dedicated person and she's doing awesome on that and keeping up on on those yearly renewals.

So So according to to the plan really the only thing we are requiring right now is that 15t setback right on the side. Okay. I have a question on fire hidings too. Sorry, Dale. Yeah, you're good. Are there fire adding soon? There will be. Jones Water has reached out. They They don't Daniel, you can speak to this as well. They're trying to figure out a fix. Um, this is going to be a a private line basically is what they're wanting to do, but they're not too excited about having a fire hydrant on a private line. So, they're trying to come up with Theodor isn't or Johnson water.

Johnson water. So, they're trying to come up with a fix to where Johnson, you know, they don't want the fire hydrant in there. we are going to require it. Yep. So, they're still to be determined on that, but um yeah, they're in contact with me on that one. Yes, a fire hydrant will be required. Okay.

What what we've um what I've talked to them lately on is they're fine with um putting the fire hydrant on the property, but what we're doing is we're creating a document that they will provide water to this to the site and then we'll run a 6-in line in uh with uh you know the RPPA that they want in an enclosed uh heater and then Um but then we've got an agreement that the maintenance of the system and including the maintenance of the fire hydrant will fall on us, but Johnson Water will um maintain the quality of water based on the standards that they need to do. So So we're creating some uh some test points for them on the system so they can have access uh to the system to do their regular test points. Um, and so they're fine with the hydrant as long as we agree to maintain the system.

Answer here. Y, I'm assuming that he's already got all the like the 15% the park and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, we looked at those numbers. The plan would be on the front side there, the buffer area off of 2000 South to create green space and potentially a park of some sort. Yep. Yeah. It'll be nicer than it is. That's

But I I feel like it meets the standard, right? I think it I mean, I personally feel like I don't know if there's much we could do to stop it, but there are like again, if they don't follow through, we can pull their license or we could also guarantee or require a guarantee right now. Right. Correct. That's kind of where I stand. I think it's our best chance it's cleaned up or or you I mean if it's not cleaned up by the time it's ready then we could keep occupancy could correct. Yeah, you could put that provision in.

I mean I'd almost be in favor of requiring a bond. I don't know where all be have to be cleaned up, but like it says you can require a bond and if you had a bond for the amount it would take to hire somebody to clean all the garbage out, that would be a good remedy. I think the hardest part is you're dealing with individual ownership on some of this stuff, which Daniel, you own the ground, they own the trailer, you own the ground. I Right. They But there's some trailers they own. So, it's a combination of both. uh at least. But yes, the ground I own,

but um they have space around their trailer and their trailer that they own. And so I I I can't go in their yard and clean up stuff, but I can uh I can enforce stuff like you guys can enforce on me, I can enforce on them. And if it's not done, I can boot them. That's where I feel like if everybody's willing to do that, there's low risk on the city. It's just the follow through on that aspect of things. How confident are you that you can get that accomplished as far as the cleanup in their yards?

I'm I'm confident. Be the reason why I'm confident is because um in the the cost of infrastructure is hefty enough that I have to have every space full. And in order to keep it full, I got to get that whole front cleaned out. And so we've already been engaging uh several manufactured uh you know companies that will come in and kind of help out. Um but but again it it's a phase one phase two. So I'm confident because once phase one is in and I'm getting the back filled up, I can just come in and start scraping basically just just clean house, get new ones in there. Um,

so Daniel, I'm more sorry to interrupt you. I'm more uh referring to the yard.

The yard. Um, I'm I've put in there, we've given them a $150 fee if they don't have the yard cleaned up, and that's the the manager we were talking to yesterday. Um, so he's going to go and start taking pictures of the yard and so I can start imposing fees that are pretty hefty if there's any blowway debris that's in their yard. So that's that's in the process right now. Um, if they don't get it done, then uh we've told them that they they'll have to vacate. And so by process of that, um, that's going to take a little bit of time frame, meaning if somebody refuses to clean up the yard and I have to boot them out, then I've got, you know, 30 days to to notice and, you know, 15 days or to bring current, you know, whatever the process is there. Um, but I feel I feel quite confident it's it's based on our conversation with the guy yesterday, I feel quite confident it's going to get done. So that'd be something to that you'd be able to put in writing for a guarantee to the city that you know you're giving your tenants this many days to be in compliance. You're already um with our code violation and passing it on. That would at least give you a definite and the city and the the planning commission here some confidence that there would actually be a date that the cleanup just the the garbage in the yards would be completed. I'm I'm willing to do that for sure. Um, you know, I got the police department, not breathing down by neck, but they're they're there and they've got the fines ready to be imposed if there's not consistent aggressive movement in that direction. And so, we're moving ahead in that direction. And yes, I'd be happy to put that in writing. Uh, so you guys have some confidence that's getting done.

Just a thought for me to consider, I guess. Daniel, I have a question about um are you going to furnish the RVs on the lots that you're going to build and then rent them out or are you just going to rent a space for somebody who already owns an RV?

So, um that's that's uh the reality is probably a mixture of both. meaning that um often times what what and and so I'm I'm taking uh I guess mentorship from from somebody who owns a lot of parts and has done this for quite a few years. I I've I've been in the real estate realm for quite a few years. Um so their suggestion is get new units in and then do a lease option with uh with the homeowner. and they have found that when people own their own unit, they tend to keep keep it up much nicer. Um, so, so, but if we need to just rent it out, that's an option, but I'm I'm I'm I think there'd be a combination of both.

Are you talking RV or the mobile home side? Oh, I'm talking mobile home. RV, no. RV would strictly be their their ownership. We are not planning on buying any RVs for somebody there to No, I I wouldn't want to rent out an RV.

No, that was my question is about the RV question. Yeah, I I had a I had a tenant in there when I was driving through come and visit with me and said that you're their understanding was you were going to sell these units really cheap to them so they would own them and but they don't own them at the time at the present time. Um but I'm just wondering if that's I mean, if they owned it, then they they would own it, but they couldn't wouldn't have the money to move it, you know, if they had to move it. So, when when they move out, why it's going to be a problem? I I just I don't know. I just I just would feel better if this whole thing was moved. If you if some of the things he's talking about doing were were in place and we could see that, you know, I mean, it's just really

disaster. and and I and I appreciate um your clarity on that. One thing from the first moment I drove out there to visit the park uh I I get different answers at different times all the time. In other words, um you you they they interpret things completely across the board. So from so so have have some of them I I guess what I'm trying to say is that they don't tell the truth. And so if if they're feeling like and and I'm sorry to give that blanket statement, it's it's um they they uh when when we talked to some of the units initially and it was brought up whether they wanted to buy them, the conversation was yes, we'll consider this. But the reality is none of them, very few of them have any money to do that. And so the the initial intent when that was brought up months and months ago as far as them potentially buying some of them, it was under the pretense that they would then have a little more pride in ownership, clean them up a little better. But as we've gone into this further, um it it's I' I've come to the conclusion that we need new tenants in there. Unfortunately, it's at that level. And so, um, anything they say as far as what they're saying is a definitive answer. Um, I that that's not the intent of us. And we're we're not looking at keeping the units there on a long-term basis, a very short-term basis.

How about if I make a motion and and um and you chime in and help. Um, you were not necessarily for this, Lynn, but um I I move first of all that we approve it with and help me what uh help me say what limits we should do. 15T setback

with with that's that's definitely the 15t setback. And uh bond a bond to do the cleaning if it isn't satisfactoryy cleaned. Do you have a Sorry to interrupt. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Do you have a price, Daniel, on your cleanup expectation of what you're doing as far as the garbage and everything? Are are are you including any of the, you know, wire and this that and the other that's on the back four acres? Yeah, the whole thing. Yes,

the whole thing. Um, we've got uh bids anywhere from 20 to 40,000, but that part of that bid also includes moving some dirt and stuff like that. So, yeah, if I was going to hire uh just strictly somebody to go in like a like a company to go in and just pick pick stuff manually, pick stuff up and just clean up the walkway debris kind of things. Um, I'm probably going to be between the 15 and 20 15 and 20,000 mark, I would think. That much? Yeah.

It's expensive. I would hope to do it for 10, but I I don't I don't know if I could say $20,000 bond. 20 $20,000 bond. Okay. Did I just agree to a $20,000 bond? I think so. Yeah. So, just to reiterate the motion, it's to approve with the 15 foot setbacks that we talked about and a $20,000 bond to for the cleanup if it doesn't happen. Correct. Okay. We have a second. Second. I'll second.

Is there any further discussion about this? No, I just I just think it would be better to wait until we see see some more progress. I think this is our best chance of getting progress. I think so. I think progress is going to happen in construction.

Well, one thing is the problem. The problem is, you know, there's people who would like to do RV parks, but they aren't going to want to be there if that thing isn't cleaned up. And, you know, Yeah. And I' I'd really like to see some nice ones, you know, within this within our area in the in the coming time, but I'm not sure that that's one that's going to attract them in there unless it's unless a ton of stuff is done. But yeah, it it's progressing. I mean, it's Yeah,

with the construction of the back end, the front end is going to turn out better. That whole front section is going to be parked and landscaped and everything. come back in one year and you'll want to move in one of the spaces. Well, I think if it doesn't change though, good thing about it, it's your money. And one thing, like Jeff has reiterated, the business license, it can be revoked. If it doesn't meet the the current city or that's where the risk is on this guy. Then then Daniel, just so you know, that it's already on the radar. It's already been documented. And if it's not, then that business license can be revoked. Yeah, but I will iterate. I think we want to work with the two because this is the hope of getting it cleaned up. So, okay.

Appreciate it. Let's go a little. Are you good with that, Daniel? As far as the bond, I'm good with that. I don't love the bond, but I understand your position and um and that'll that'll put the clean up where it needs to be. So, um I'm Well, yeah, let's move ahead and get her done. Okay, you ready to vote? Go ahead. I I'm gonna vote nay for now. Okay. Uh John, yes. Yes. Jeff, yes. Okay. Thanks, Daniel. Appreciate it. You bet. Thank you. Hope it hope hope it's going to meet your expectations.

Me, too. Long. It It's a good project. Thank you. Good luck. Okay, let's move on. Brad Knight Industrial Park site plan number five. Okay, let me scroll down there. And then this is just I mean almost identical what we have approved in the past. Correct. Yes, exactly what we've approved in the past.

Okay. So, um, I'm just going to come over here and talk for a minute. So, as Dale's mentioned, this is uh in the night industrial park. We've approved three other locations. Same scenario, the storm drain was approved of that curbon gutter. So retention will be necessary for all the runoff on to be retained on the the parcel there. Um it's 4.73 acres. We would be looking at this parcel here with a potential of depending on what business he gets in there. Industrial is what we're looking at here. Industrial shop, small office space. He may move into this parcel as well and operate out of the one the one uh industrial building. It's a 8,000 square foot building, three bays, drive-through bays, and some small office area. Uh, he will be accessing right here with a 40ft access on the north. It will have a a 20ft apron going into the the lot, hard surface. And that's as far as parking goes. He's got the parking that would be required and lighting will be on the building for the parking area. Any questions on this one?

Can we So, is this the This is Are we looking at like lots one through five right here? Yeah, this would be on number five. So, lot number one and two currently three. You just know it's happened before that a building was built across a lot line and it can be it can be cuz he owns the lot. He has not sold any of these. As long as they're owned by the same owner, they you can cross lot. But he has submitted an application which is just done by administration now to do a consolidation of those lot lines. Okay. On those other buildings. But yes, you can have a lot line. It just has to be in the same ownership. But he is aware of the other one. So he is currently I'm just waiting for that plat to be signed by him and his wife and back to my office. So

where where are the other buildings on here? Uh, lot number one is here. We have a building on lot number one who that services one and two. We have a building on lot number three and four. This would or let's see, I think it's just lot one and then two and three are together.

Yeah, two and three are together and three and then number four would be here. That is potentially going to be utilized by lot number five. The way the way the building looks to me with those bay doors in the back four kind of has to be part of five. No, the bay doors are north and south. So the bay doors will be going Oh, sorry. I am way backwards on this. I think you're right. Yeah. Yeah, you are right with the proposed has to be part of it. Unless he does a lot line. He can he's got the 5 acre lot so he could move that lot line. Okay.

But currently there's not another building slated for that other lot. But where he owns the whole thing? He can do it. He can do that. If he were to put a building on four, then something would have to change. He'll have to adjust that lot. Yeah. So, do you make that subject to this approval? No, he owns the lot. So, there's no if he was splitting this off and selling it at that time, we would definitely definitely need to consider that. So I don't think his intent is to sell any of these. He's just renting them right

ultimately. So we have a motion approve for approval. We have a second. I'll second that. Is there any further discussion on this? Let's go ahead and vote. I I I I I did the commission seat. Jer, do you want to talk about the zone change real quick? Yes.

And this isn't something we're doing today. You're just going to have us look at it and think about it over the next month or so, right? Yes.

So, Okay. So, it's been brought to our attention from a property owner, Greg Harmston, that owns property. Uh, this would be Okay, where are we here? Highway 40. So, we would have uh Sunrise Title Company here, Harmston Avenue, on the right block. It's just corner.

Okay. Right here. Yeah. So, this would be Harmston Avenue here. Uh there's property that's owned by the Harmston's here. There was a house that burned down several years ago

and he's wanting to construct a new residential home. On current code, it states that once it goes commercial and changes land use, it has to stay commercial. Uh even though it hasn't changed land use, the the time period has expired that use to be available for residential. So the proposal would be to consider uh the mayor has brought this up and wanted me to run it by this body to do this whole area as far as the RM13, R16 and a sliver of the up to Hston Avenue and roll that into an RM18 which is currently let me zoom out so you can see. So all of the light brown area would be RM18. So it would be in more conforming with with the rest of that area if we went just with an RM18. Um, one thing that we need to consider though is the R16 does have animal rights for uh some animals for chickens up to six chickens, female chickens, and uh, one goat and one sheep up to 6 months old, some rabbits, some few other things. And if some of those legacy land owners there in that R16 zone have that right, that might be a little bit of a a situation, but just something to consider. and get your feedback.

Wouldn't they be grandfathered in once it sells? If they ever sell that land and they're we we could make that provision. We would need to document who has those animals or who would desire to have those just in that R16 strip. And keep in mind, we did pass in the R18 the animal right would be available if they have up to an acre of ground. Um we current we just barely passed that the last six months. Not saying I don't think any of those probably have an acre, but that would be an option if we did. But yes, commission or chair tried, we could do that. What about why not an RMB RM13 that's right there

just because it would create an island if we did and we've got two islands basically. So, as I zoom out, if you if you saw the RM18 takes in most of that area, if we're going to resone, the consideration would be to to have that continue. As you can see, all of this this area is RM18. It's a higher density housing obviously than the R13. You see what I'm saying, right? Yeah. So, all of this is RM18. It's Ru. Yes, RM13's right there. Well, but we've got all of this area. We would just we' keep an island basically is what we would be doing 13 or

Yeah. Well, our highest our highest density would be make more sense closer to Highway 40. So anyway, just for consideration for you to think about that's something you guys want to enter your thing. Do we do we contact owners within that area? Yeah, we would we would contact those and present that uh proposal to them as well and then they would have an opportunity to come and

Sure. We would have public hearings and all of those things. This would just be to get your feel on this if you would like to pursue this. Um, we do have a request for some residential in that area. And while we're doing it, we could potentially just clean that up and make a continuous RM18 zone was the thought. Um, or we could just extend the RM13 where where it's at or the R16 where it's at and take in take in some of that commercial area. So, we wouldn't necessarily need to reszone, but while we're doing it, it might be an opportunity or we can keep it the way it is and look at changing that commercial to for the existing. So, he can't build the way it is. Is that what you're saying?

Currently, he cannot. Not residential. Not residential. PNR. He would be able to under the PR. It's under commercial right now. Would you put an island?

It would create a little bit of an island. But the discussion was as well, Ren, maybe creating some PR a block off of Main Street. The intent when they did this, as you can see, there's a wide swath of commercial. They did this uh back in around 2018. And the intent was to pro protect that area for commercial growth, but the swath was a little wide and a lot of residential is a block off of Main Street. Uh the other caveat to this though is short-term uh rentals are approved in the commercial PR zone. So if we change that to an RM18 that would negatively impact some of those that may want to do uh short-term rentals.

Okay. Thank you. Okay. What's your desire? Would you like to pursue this or give me a little direction? Greg would like your best to do it. Greg wants to build in the commercial. Um, we need to get either he has to go commercial or um or he can't do anything with that law. Has he put in an application for anything currently? He can't as far as residential. It's not approved. No, I mean for a change like does he He did talk to the mayor and the mayor talked to me about bringing it to you.

But doesn't he have to apply for it? for his own change here. Yes, he would have to, but we wanted to fill the commission out as far as the mayor wanted me to bring it to this body to fill the out. See if that's something you want to pursue and get some ideas. I can bring some ideas back on the next meeting. Um, and communicate with him as far as we've got three options, three or four options. Um, maybe I can prepare something and bring it back to you next month for for review. That works. I think that's great. I think that'd be good. Want something done? Okay, that's all I have for you. Thank you. Have a motion to adjourn. That's all. I'll second. All in favor? I I get a little overhead.