City Planning & Zoning - Regular Meeting

and do a roll call. Lynn Snow here. Dale Tribe here. Thank you. Um, you have just a second. Did anybody see any changes in the minutes for last last meeting that needed to be done? I didn't see any changes. [Music] the agenda. Um, make a major change. break it up. Do we have the minutes from the last meeting? I thought I [Music] saw them in the next meeting. I wasn't here. Okay. Okay. So, did they figure out the name of that street yet? Looks like Scon

West. Okay. Um, West, we've got a couple items. Uh, the conditional use permit. Do you want to explain that or do you want to open it up to the public version? Let's do the appointments first. Okay. When you're ready. Yeah. I'm just follow this up real quick. Okay. So we have uh John or sorry Lynn and Ren who we swore and sworn back in for another term. You can do four terms. So that be Yeah. Not sort first. Can you stand or Yes, please. [Music] All right. So, repeat after me. I, Lynn Snow. I Snow having been appointed to the office having been appointed to the office the planning and zoning commission of planning and zoning commission do solemnly swear that I will support obey and defend do solemnly swear that I will support support obey and defend the Constitution of the United States the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Utah and the Constitution of the State of Utah and that I will discharge the duties of my office with fidelity and that I will discharge the duties of my comes with fidelity. Same here. Put your name here. All right, Ren, your turn. Okay. I, Ren Bagley, I, Ren Bagley, having been appointed to the Office of Planning and Zoning Commission having been appointed to the Office of Planning and Zoning Commission. do solemnly swear do solemnly swear that I will support, obey, and defend I will support, obey,

and defend the Constitution of the United States the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Utah. and the Constitution of the State of Utah and that I will discharge the duties of my office with fidelity. And we'll discharge the duties of my office with fidelity. Perfect. So, how long's the term? Three years. So, you on time now we'll open up for public? Yes. Okay. Back. [Applause] Okay. Yep. Your turn. Let me scroll through. Let's start with [Music] Am I supposed to say? Yeah. Think you're here. Good evening, commission members. Drew. Yes. He does have his Could you make sure you speak right into that thing? You got it. Okay. So, tonight we have two uh items on the agenda. One for a plat amendment which will we'll wait until we have the public hearing for the conditional use permit. Uh this application has come in from Jacob Spears who is with Everbuild uh a a construction or a contractor developer I should call him developer out of D. So the application that has been submitted is for uh 25 town homes to be built at 200

North 600 West. This would be Summer Hills Bart and Net Miller subdivision right off of 200 North in Roosevelt, Utah, the newly paved road if you've been up that way. The current zoning is PR, professional office of residential and the request for multifamily use in the PR is a permitted use with the approval of a conditional use permit from the planning and zoning commission. So, with that, I'm just going to read, if you'll scroll to the uh the code um first. Yep, that one right there. So, I'm just going to read a few passages from our code on conditional use. So, the determination, I'll start with the determination standards of review. That would be 17. If you'll go up a little bit, just will start at the top on the standard amp of review right there. Yep. Okay. Decisions of the land use authority outlined in R17.02.005 to approve approve with conditions or deny a conditional use permit application shall be based on the general criteria listed in R17.02.040 or Yeah. And the following more specific criteria outlined in this chapter, including the safety of people and property, including size and location of the use, prevention or minimization of flood water damage were necessary, relocation, covering or fencing of irrigation ditches and drainage channels, location and dimensions of truckloading and unloading facilities, and hazardous conditions to the public health and safety. for safety. Traffic considerations include capacity of existing streets, proposed location and off- streetet parking provided, proposed accesses including

those for emergency vehicles and internal traffic circulation of the site including parking areas. Environmental concerns including utility capacity, usable and per permanent open space considerations, signage and lighting, noise, vibration, pollution, odors, streams or other factors that might affect people and property and potential discharge into the air, groundwater surface and subsurface water or soil. Number four, general plan and permitted permitted zoning concerns including fencing, screening and landscaping to separate proposed use from adjoining uses. Design architectural detail, building mass, bulk orientation to conform to the surrounding area and removal of structures, debris or plant material inco incompatible with characteristics of the underlying zone. And if you'll jump to the next one, our 17 right there, additional use permits. So with this, it basically gives um the application process. And down in number three, I'd like to read that one. The land use authority shall hold a public meeting or public hearings as provided in R17.08 08.050 on the proposed application and shall review and approve approve with modifications or deny the proposed application for a conditional use permit. The land use authority shall limit any conditions of approval to those needed to reasonably ensure the conditional use substantially complies with approval standards. Let me go down to the six approved standards. And the highlighted version approval approve with conditions or deny a conditional use permit but shall approve whenever the land use authority can impose reasonable conditions to mitigate

the reasonable anticipated detrimental impacts or effects of the proposed use in accordance with applicable standards. only when insufficient reasonable conditions exist that the land use authority could impose may the land use authority deny the request. So that just kind of a a brief synopsis of our of our code with the the conditional use. So the the planning commission can impose conditions on on the requested land use. this use does meet the code as far as uh conditional use within the P1R. Um and outlined in this is basically the perimeters of of this body to to uh set conditions if it conforms with the land use or deny or or approve with conditions. So giving you just a little history of what the code reads. So with that, this is a proposed um PUB development um planned residential unit development with an HOA and covenants that would be attached to this. The utilities are proposed to be 100% maintained by uh the HOA minus the meters that would would be feeding each cluster of town homes. So, the water would come up at 200 north with a 6 in I believe 6 in line. 30 3 in 3 in water. Okay. And then the sewer and it it was also coming off of 600 West if you remember. Um Okay, that's right. Utility fun. Yeah, that's right. Okay. and the sewer would be uh utilizing the three stubouts that are currently there based on the engineering review of the

the DFUS. Um and of course that will be in the final stage when we see the engineered plans and and we will review that with our engineer as well for approval on that. Um with that information, I'm going to turn a little time over to Jacob. and the way these uh public hearings should go. We'll we'll let Jacob uh give a little presentation on what what he's doing here and the intents and then we could open it up for public comment uh for the development and then against the development and then we can uh then you guys can discuss at that point if that works. Chair chairman try if that works. [Music] Sounds good. I'll try to do a good job and talk into the microphone like Drew. Thank you for your time. Um, thank you for everyone that's here. It's uh it's good to have uh local government is very grassroots and it is important. Um it's it's where the people are represented. So, um, our project, we are both from Vernal, uh, locally grown. Um, Roosevelt isn't, you know, too far from Bernal, but this is, um, I wanted to share some pictures with you. You could make them a little bigger, maybe. Yes. Could you could you just show the first one and then we'll just go through them. So, this is a picture of exactly um what we are proposing to build um here in Roosevelt. This is a picture of our one of our completed um town home buildings in Vernal. Um as you can tell um at the time the picture was taken, the grass

looks great. Everything um is quite clean and orderly um and it's a great development. The trash is in the front. You can see where uh those are located. You can just cycle through to the next picture. Any any questions as far as visual or I know that I don't think we're here to discuss the visual aspect a whole lot, but I just wanted to give you guys an idea of what what we're planning. So, I guess you could squeeze two cars in front in front of a unit. Yes. So the plan is to have per each unit have two parking stalls. Um and the the proposal is each parking stall will be 25 ft deep. Most people in Vermo and Roosevelt um at least have a pickup truck. So the stalls will be deep enough for um for a full size like a long bed, a crew cab with a long bed. How deep is your garage? Garage? Oh, 20 uh yeah, garage is 21 ft. 21 ft deep to deep. So, it's it's the garage is a little bit tight for a fulls size pickup. The people that do park there usually don't usually they leave their pickups in front, but they do they we have seen like SUVs and cars been parked inside. So, what's in back? Is there grass in back or Yes. And I I actually Not other parking, but No, not not anymore parking. um for us. Um if you were to go back to the plat maybe I don't have any pictures of this this one in particular, but all of that in the back will be grassy area. So that last one had four units. These will be bigger buildings. They will be bigger buildings. Yes. And that's that was just the way things

lined up with the um utility easements. the the landscaping requirement. Um I actually don't remember what it was other than I know we met it by a landslide because of how much how much green space there will be. Um and um if you also just scroll to the right on the plat ever so slightly, it shows kind of the breakout. And if you zoom in into that little breakdown, the rowhouse parcel right there on the [Music] plat. Yes. And even maybe you could zoom in a little more. So, of each lot, um you can see 14 ft of the back of each lot is actually going to be a patio um and partial grass. Um each unit owner um each unit owner can decide what they actually do with that section. The rest of it will be community space maintained by nature and it will be grass is grass is the current plan. So these will be these will be sold individual owners. Yes. And and that leads me right into the next picture. Um if you can pull that up. We um we have been in Vernal. Our main target audience has not been investors. I know um investors have purchased a couple units in our development in Bernal um but very very few um really um the people that have been buying our town homes have been there was there was a school teacher looking to downsize and but the vast majority have been this is their first purchase and they were renting and then they were like hey this I would rather own a beautiful town home than uh than live in an apartment I

could rent. So that's that those aren't those are pictures I pulled off of Google. Those aren't our buyers. I wanted to share with you some pictures in the building downstairs other than the garage. What's in there? So downstairs it's an open concept floor plan. Kitchen, living room, and then you have a half bath downstairs. And then upstairs it's three bedroomedroom, 2 and 1 half bath upstairs. Two bath upstairs. Two bed. Sorry. Yeah. Three three bedroomedroom two bath upstairs for a total of three bed 2 and a half bath. Yeah. What's the square footage? 1460 living square footage. That doesn't include the single garage. Yeah. So that's that's a little bit about the um plan. So if ask what the price has been going for? Yeah, great question. Um, we are trying to keep them below 300. I You guys probably know better than me. I think in Roosevelt they might go just for a little bit less than Vernal, but that's that's the plan is if we can keep them underneath 300. That's where people can afford these days. You have that project in Vernal then? The one that we're pictures of. Yes. Yep. What's the address of that? It is um the most recent building we completed is like 588 South CVY Street. Um you can pull it up on Google or also drive in there. East or west? East and west. It's the entrance is 560 south. Uh what's the west? 560 south. Uh not the end. This isn't the entrance street, but it will get you there. 1600 West is one of the streets there. So that that's an intersection and if you pull that up, it should take you there. So 1600 West. What is it again? I can

get you the I can get you the exact 25. Do you want would you like a house number? Would you like a house an address in one unit or do you want the intersection where you get into it? Going down the curve to 25. Well, if you can get us something like that. So, uh, 570 South, Coil Run Drive. If you don't want to do Coil Run Drive, it is 1650 West. So, I'll say I'll say that just with the coordinate, it'll be 570 south, 1650 west. And I I think on Google, I don't know what app you're using, but if you put punch in quail run dry, it pulls it up easier than the actual coordinates. We didn't decide the street names. They were there before we got there. They take the first. So the the 14 ft in the back. Is it going to be fenced in? That is the current plan. I did see that the meadows had an open concept plan which seemed to be working um with our plan in Vernal. They're actually they have partition fences, vinyl partition fences, but then they're open on the back. And most people have said, "Hey, can we enclose this?" And and the plan with the vernal property is that they cannot, but we we have not yet decided if we're going to enclose them or not, but they will have backyards. That's that's theirs, if that makes sense. Mhm. Did that answer your question? Yeah. I'm just wondering so if they if they decide to grasp that 14 ft and the rest of it behind that's grasped that's mowed by the HOA is the HOA going to zip in there and take care of theirs too. So the plan the best plan that I've seen for HOAs is if it is not enclosed if it's open the HOA is allowed should

take care of it. If it's enclosed, it then becomes theirs and they can do zero escaping or or whatever they want back there. Yeah. And then then it's not on the HOA to to maintain that in the back. Yeah. Okay. So, in this project, there's going to be four buildings. Yes. Yep. That is correct. And how many total units? A total of 25 town homes. And the top group up there just across the street from the home that's under construction. Yes. Yep. I believe they're on the lot right there where that cursor is. Yeah. And there's two duplexes being built on that bottom right now also. And and Drew could say I think they're very close to completion, if not already completed. Yeah, they're they're getting real close. But they were going to try to get done by the end of May. I I heard that they were going to try to get done by the end of May so they could have residences each 1 of June. Obviously not then. Oops. So they're probably very close or if not done. Yeah. Um if you go go just back to that last I I guess I can share a little bit more about um some of the project benefits. If you can go to the picture of the the home ownership picture. So um in our project in Vernal currently 85 and we didn't really know what to anticipate going into it other than we had a we felt quite confident that the majority would be owner occupiers. Um and so far um 85% of our town homes that we built in Vernal have been purchased by owner occupants which has been great. Vernal city has loved it. Um it's been a project that um Verno City has been very happy with that. Really owner occupancy is a great um

boon for the community. Um usually it's often investor own units are not always taken care of in the same manner that an owner occupied unit is taken care of. So, um, anyways, I, um, oh, one other thing that I wanted to touch on was some some housing statistics. So, I'll talk a little bit about Vernal because I believe the UN basin, we're we're spread out and we are separate communities, but there is um, we do have an underlying tie. um the surveys for how much um affordable housing or houses under 300,000 houses that are available under 300,000. The statistics for Vernal and Roosevelt are very very similar. If a house is listed in that range, it goes really really fast. And that's because there's not a lot of them, which is why um we want to serve the community and build build more affordable housing. So there's more of that. Um in a recent I'll talk talk about the ver our community in Vernal. A recent survey sent out to uh Vernal the Vernal city public. Um the number one concern about of all the concerns was places to live that are affordable for starting families. That was the that was the top of the list um priority and this the statistics also illustrate that. I don't have any survey to share with you for Roosevelt. you guys know your city quite a bit better, I'm sure, than me. But, um, if the statistics are the same, I would believe that Roosevelt City also has a very similar need um for for affordable housing, if that makes sense. So, I um we welcome questions or

comments. And could you put up the picture of the town homes again? Yes. And these are going to look essentially just like that. The colors might be a little different, but the plan is to do just that. Only they're only 22 feet wide. So, the garage doors are what, 12 ft on that? They're since it's single car. How about you, if you have specific questions about the building dimensions, I'd be happy to talk more about that. Sure. 20 ft wide, are they? Yes. Yes. So, and I'm Quinton Daniel. I take care of all of the construction of these on-site construction. Um the lock line the lock widths are 20 ft and the that grab those garage doors have a 8t block out in the concrete and then they're about uh they're 3 in narrower because of the 2x6es that go on the sides for the garage wraps. So the opening of that door is 7T 9 in the garage door opening. Yes, sir. And so most people um that live in our in our community in the community that we built over there, they're mainly parking in front of the units and then several of them using the garage for storage. Yeah. And I think that's you guys noticed that too. All these houses that are being built with twocar garage with a 16t wide garage door. You look in there, they've got like one side by side and a whole bunch of totes stacked in there. Um, but there are people that are parking in the in these garages and they, you know, they fit well for a for a crossover type style or a sedan. They work great. Obviously, if you've got a crew cab long bed, you're going to need to use you you're going to park outside. But, uh, at the end of the day, we need

to find a way that we can build homes that people my age can afford. And the fact of the matter is people my age are not going to be able to buy a $400,000 home and that's what a single family home, you know, that's what they're going for or close to. So, we're keeping them small enough that we can build them afford affordably, but we're also making sure that they have enough space that people can get their family started in there. So, that's why you have the three bedrooms, the two and 1 half baths. You know, we've we've tried to maximize the amount of storage that is in these. so that they can, you know, live and not just have three bedrooms and nothing else. Do you have a floor plan inside that you can show us? Um I probably That's not easy to show. I I didn't bring it with me or do you guys have a um I'd like to see I'd like to see the street plan again. We see that where they're going to exit from the subdivision and what that's going to do. The you know. So, I guess to me, one of the things that I like about this is that I mean that they do have to park in the driveways. There's no space to park on the street. Um my only concern is are some of them going to tend to park on the other side of the street where the those homes are over there as far as parking goes? Yeah. And as far as that goes, um I think one thing we would all like is more parking. That's definitely like as in general, uh it's frustrating when you don't find a parking stall. However, we are meeting and exceeding the parking requirements in Real City by somewhere in the realm of 25 to 33%. Because the my understanding from what Jacob told me is it's some it's 2 and 1/4. So if you if you take that we're an if you count

the garage we're an average at we're three and so three is 33% more than 2.25 and so we're meeting or exceeding the requirements of so on this street plan you know I can see you go out on up on 200 but otherwise you come out down here then you've got to go up and then out and over to Lagoon Street. Huh? Yes. and and I'm not as familiar with the traffic patterns. Uh but my understanding is that this road was not here before and most of the people or there's not necessarily a great reason for why the people that would be buying our town homes would be going up that direction versus exiting 200 uh 200. Yes. If they're going to church, they would be exiting another other street. going up and I'll Jake Jake knows more about that stuff, but I'll I'll pass my phone around to you guys with the floor plans on them so you can kind of if you're interested in Would you like that? Yeah. So, let Oh, there we go. Hey, there's my house. The new road that they make is here to 200 diagonally. RC probably. So the the entire curb and gutter will be removed. Flattened curb along that. So So once they confirm where their approaches will be, then uh then that will be installed with sidewalk and 6 in sidewalk on those approaches. But there will be separation in between driveways. I believe that we'll still have the the

highback curb. Yes. So So it won't be like Well, maybe I didn't see the picture correctly. The the sidewalk isn't part of the the of the driveway. The driveway. No, that that 25 ft depth of the driveway starts after the sidewalk. Do do uh people that live in these units understand that? Um the ones that we're currently building, they're so the ones we're currently building actually have a 20 ft driveway, so they're they're um shorter. Um ultimately more depth will just be better. Um there doesn't seem to be a problem with the ones we're building um with people parking in the vehicle hanging off into the sidewalk if that makes sense. There were some town homes built back in 2008 not by us and the driveways might have even been like 16 ft and there is a problem there but with the ones we've built we haven't experienced a problem and then 25 ft will even make that even better you know. So can I comment that? Yeah, I'll I'll pass. You guys can swipe. There's just two photos right there. I just screenshot shot shoted the the plans. Uh they're a little they're going to be there's a couple dimensions that are a little bit different, but they're materially the same. Um when you guys go, it sounds like some of you are interested in going to Verlin and seeing the development that we've done over there. When you drive over there, you're going to notice that there are the new town homes that are this style that you've seen. There are also other town homes that were built in 2007. there's a stark difference between them, so you'll recognize the the older ones, they're a lot more chopped up. The newer ones are more square. Um the older buildings, when you go there, you'll notice everyone's bumper is hanging out onto the sidewalk because they didn't provide enough depth for their driveways. Um

that was done in like 2007. And so we when we came in, we amended the plat so that we could push our buildings back and have at least 25 or 20 ft from the back of the sidewalk. And so now if you're if you're in the old part of the development, you can barely you can't walk down the sidewalk without, you know, going into the gutter and then getting back on. In the new part of the subdivision, you I walk down those sidewalks all the time when I'm doing different things there on site. And every now and then you might have a drop hitch that's sticking out on the sidewalk, but in general, um, you can walk down the sidewalk, a 4ft sidewalk, and not be running into the bumper of cars. So 25 ft. I don't I'm not really sure why we moved from I haven't been as involved with this process. Jacob takes care of all of the pre-construction stuff, but uh 20 20 ft has been great. So, whatever however we got to 25 ft, we got to pay for some more concrete, but it'll be even better than what we got over there. I could tell you a story of the the units that are that are east of there. those but I don't want to do it on this recording. Um I I think that's an important distinction to make. Uh we are not talking about replicating what is there. This is this is a completely different type of type of development and the pictures that Jacob show show that clearly. This is uh this is not your this isn't your um slumlord land owner that's going to come in and you know not maintain things. Nothing no landscaping no home ownership very transient. So at the end of the day we're basically providing a buffer zone happy to do that. in your HOA ordinances, is there anything

[Music] um different or I mean I guess to me you're saying that this is you're trying to get affordable housing for younger generation or older for whoever just affordable housing. Is there anything in your HOA ordinances that say that there can't be any short-term rentals in here? Great question. Um, in our CCNRs, it does not allow short-term rentals. That is that is the plan. We And I I was actually curious to know. Um, that was something I was going to work with Drew. I don't know of the short-term rentals in Roosevelt. Our plan was not to have that be a part of this community. So, they won't be allowed? No. Just long term, meaning and long-term is defined by 30 days or longer. That's I think the standard definition. whe whether whether or not it is in the CCNRs of the the development the the city can have its own ordinances. No. Yeah. Okay. Is there going to be a fence between these properties and the one to the east? That is the plan. We we're currently planning to either do a white vinyl fence or a chain link fence in between there. Hopefully, if you do chain link, you'll put the slats in. Yeah. price. I think that'll be I think the people that will want to buy our town homes won't want an unsightly scene. And if there's not a fence there, that's what they'll have. So So there'll be no windows to the east. There will be those. They will be able to see that from That's a good point. That's upstairs. Yes. They'll get they'll have a great picture of that. The master bedroom will Okay. Um comes I have some grand kids that live in these type of developments on the Wasach

front and if there's a family get together you know there's a parking lot almost a quarter mile away that we have to park at and walk you you don't have any place else people just have to park out on second north or 150 or 75. Keith, you can park by my house. I'll let you do that. Okay. Do you have to go there? I'm going to let you park by my house. I I uh that is a great excellent point. I think it's quite standard in town home communities. Town homes part of the affordable equation is there isn't a ton of space. Everybody would like more space, but what the reason why we're able to get them affordable and and um build them affordably is because there's there's not a a ton of space. There is the nice thing is is there there's three parking lot stalls instead of two and a quarter. So, that will help um if they use the garage, you know, they they will have most people have two vehicles. they could park one in the car, one out front, and then also have um a stall for a visitor. Um apart from that, um I I don't have a good solution, just being honest, other than in general, town home communities don't offer a lot of space for uh party parking or if there was like a big festival going into a house. If that did that does that answer your question? It's a valid concern. That answer the question. Well, I I knew the answer to the question. Yes, we all did. You have anything else for these guys?

Well, I Well, go back to the picture of the house. Now, that doesn't look like to me there's any cutouts in the curve. That looks like it's just a flat curve the thing drive across. There's a little But down here on 600, you will cut out. Yeah. For each for each entrance. And that's that I think is one of the nuances of this development was started and approved with highback curb and we're coming in later and doing something different. I do think it would have been better if there was a roll back curb put in there but that is not the case. So we will have to cut the highback curb down everywhere there is an entrance. Um this this uh entrance is roll back curb. Um, but yes. Does Does that answer your question? Well, well, that's a lot of cutouts. It is. So So each unit would get a a 12 10ft cutout. I think they cut the whole thing all the way down the street. Not not quite because of the space in between buildings, but essentially where the where the building is. um pretty much the entire front of that building will be cut down and then if you have a grass the grass in between the buildings that will go to highback curb and then the anywhere in front of the building will be cut down. It has to be otherwise cars can't get over highback curbs. So you got a couple feet in between the two driveways maybe. Yes. Yep. And we we put zeroscape and some shrubs there. They don't look super great, but they look better if you drag in and see them. If I if I might interject,

uh this will be similar to the um fifth east or fifth. Yeah, fifth east down by Centennial School. The town homes down down there. That is about 25 units uh down there. So it it kind of give you an idea of what that one looks like on Fifth East if you're familiar with that location. So any anything else for now? Okay. Do we have the capacity? I know when we originally sorry um my question is more for utility wise I know when we originally platted those with Annette and Bart there was concerns about the utility and how we were going to get sewer out because it goes through the adjacent correct me if I'm wrong the adjacent so apartments there the main line I'm just going to jump up here and show you so the main line for all of this area flows here, here, and then out this utility easement to the east. So, there's a main sewer line that runs here. The plan is with their engineering with the with the DFUs per building and per complex, they are going to try to utilize the three stubouts that were currently stubbed out for the three lots that Bart did during this last construction. uh they have three 4 inch sub outs for the three lots. The engineering is coming back as such that they they think that they can utilize those three. If not, then they can utilize this main line which would handle all of the drainage for the for the proposed buildings. Drew, now so the the storm drain goes to this lower the storm drains there. Yes, I'm correct.

And the sewer line goes between the other set of apartments. So there's two rightways correct through the back pan. And one note we need to make is that we need to add this. Um there is an easement to the house that's right here for the sewer and water before we record this amended plaque. We will need to get that added in and bartinet are aware of that as well. So water will be sub well we're still working through that either 200 or 600 600 I guess is the proposal. Yes. And coming in with a 3 in 3 in 3 in C900 water line. And then along the back along the back the meters will be Roosevelt city owned 2 in for each complex. Um the city will maintain the meters. The HOA will maintain the infrastructure. Sewer and water. Um the PUB HOA will maintain everything within that combined minus the meters. Yeah, they'll have this whole back area to be able to access basically just just the meter is all the city has to access. 48 foot is what we've got in the back there. So huge. I do have similar thoughts on that. We um originally we had we had talked about putting the water line in the front versus the back. Um ultimately we decided the back because digging up grass for for maintenance concerns. Digging up grass is way better than having to demo all the driveways or however many driveways. Um, and so since that is just going to be an open grass grassy area, they might have to navigate around some trees, but for maintenance longterm, that's great.

Okay, that answer your questions, Ren. Yeah. public hearing, a motion to go into public hearing and then um for the development and then against and um go with that. So So do we have two separate public hearing? Same public hearing. Okay, we have a motion to open for public hearing. [Music] Second. So, we're we're going into a public hearing about this right now. Yes. Correct. And everybody within so many feet have already been notified. How how close? 300 ft. Yeah. 300 ft. So, this uh this public hearing is not mandated by the state for conditional use, but we we error on the caution of transparency. So, we went ahead and and issued this as a public hearing for the conditional use, but it's not required, but uh we we felt the need to have one. Does the city councilman that lives just out the street there know about this? Yes, he But he was in meetings all day today at USU, so he could not be reached. Okay. All in favor? It's fine. Okay. If we could hear from those that are in favor of it. Um, and go ahead. Let's be cordial. Nice. And how come you look at me? I'm always nice. She is wonderful. I didn't see anybody wasn't. Okay, let's go ahead and go for those that are against it. All right. Who wants to go?

State your state your name, please. And my name is Shri Duncan and I live in that little weird flag lot that kind of butts up to the the new road. Um, where is that? So, the flag? Yeah. Right there. Yeah. I have that easement for my utility lines there, which I found out over the winter when they froze. So, um, yeah. Okay. Um, I think I might be a little bit construction weary with the duplexes that have just been approved there. They have built right on top of my fence line. Um, they have broken my fence, have not repaired it. It's been quite an issue. and that's a local builder. You know, I teach as kids and he still won't get back to me. So, it is concerning to have builders come in um and now they're going to be on my other property line there. Um and then putting in more housing. Um so, that's a concern. The other thing I just wanted to talk about with the town homes, when I first moved back here, this is my home and I moved back from the city in 2008 and I did um buy one of those town houses on 50s next to Centennial and it's about 25 town homes there and it was great. I moved in. I was in the second building. There's three buildings. So I watched the third building get built. Um there was a lot of new families. It was somewhere where me as a single parent I could afford. Um within the first 2 years they were being rented out. Um there was just all kinds of people there. There was six people living in a two-bedroom um town home. Um when the developers turned the um HOA over to us,

I took over that. Um the CCRs didn't matter. Whatever they had there didn't matter. We had to come up with those. Um, I can't believe that Roosevelt City would want this honestly because I'm not going to lie to you and remember the number, but I remember we were so far in debt on utilities like for water and trash because nobody paid their HOA fees and there was like nothing that we could do like we could send a strongly worded letter I guess to get that pay. Um, so between taking over the HOA, seeing how far in debt it was to the city, to Moon Lake Electric, um, and then with people like CBN Properties bought like two of those and rented them out, it just became untenable. I had to finally move and buy my house that I thought I could live in safely again. And now I'm getting the same environment being put in next to me. And it's really frustrating. And that's I guess all I have really to say is that it's just I I've lived in town homes. I am not making it up. When they say six people are living inside of those um two bedrooms, there's no there's no parking. That becomes a problem for our neighborhoods. Um, and not just to the residents that don't have that parking, but to everybody else because people will come there anyways and park all up along down the streets. So, thank you for your time. Thank you, Sh. I have a question for you. Yes. Um, just that. So, you don't access off of that road though. You come off of Lagoon. I come off of Lagoon. You just have the easement there for your utilities. Okay. Yeah. I don't have really any kind of access to them at all. Okay. Thank you. Also with the fence, I'll talk with the contractor as well. They're getting close to finalizing that project, so we'll have a talk with them on the

fence. Thank you. Anybody else or is it me? Is it me? Sure. Hi, my name is Gail F and I live in the neighborhood that's being changed. If you want to see my house, I can point it up to you. Um just a couple notes that you mentioned just outside of a bsentennial. Now remember all that for years have been undeveloped. Well, this is an existing neighborhood. It's already existing. And I purchased my home in '91 and it was built in in the late '7s, I believe. So this is a neighborhood that's already existing versus brand new. Let's put things together. Um, several of the neighbors got together and put a petition together and we're supposed to send it to you guys. Do you have it? Do they have access to it or would you like me to read it? So, it was submitted late, but I was going to hit the the the high topics after you guys can Okay, I can read it if you'd like. What would you like us to do? I can uh I can go over that. It's up to you, Gail. However, um, you know, if you don't mind, I will read it to you. And I had to make it wouldn't print so I had to put on my phone. Says um we understand the need for affordable housing in our growing community. We are deeply concerned with the potential negative impact the specific development would have on our neighborhood's quality of life, safety, and character. Our concerns include the following. Increased traffic, noise pollution, congestion, and parking. The addition of a higher density housing will significantly increase vehicular traffic on streets that are not designed to handle such volume. This proposes increasing or excuse me serious safety risk especially during the school hours and school year when the children are walking to and from Kings Peak Elementary or going to the Roosevelt Junior High. Impact on child safety. Our neighborhood is home to many young

families and the children regularly walk, bike and play in this area. Increased Sorry, my phone. Increased traffic, unfamiliar vehicles and construction activity take take serious concerns about our pedestrian safety. and just interjecting. When my children were little, cuz we're now 40, we played honor street all the time. We just pulled away when the cars came, but the cars were very small small in number. Now perhaps 150 north might be, you know, the only way to go out from 200 on this new street is come down through mine and then go to Lagoon. So that's an idea. Um potential rise in crime. We are concerned that the introduction of higher density housing could lead to a change in community dynamics, potentially continue an increase in crime and vandalism, which would impact the overall um sense of security in our residents that our residents currently enjoy. We are most with our most recent community tragedy. This is an increased concern in our neighborhood and that tragedy wasn't too far from this area. Decrease in property value. This development could bring in a large number of low-income residents. Homeowners fear that the presence of a multif family housing may negatively affect property values in our area. This can impact long-term residents who invited significant time and resources on their homes. Preserving neighborhood character. Our neighborhood is a residential community with distinct character that we're proud of. the proposed development is inconsistent with the existing architecture and low density housing in our area. And just my note is a bunch of us are signless. Um I like that I live in a house with some space. I grew up in the city of Chicago in an apartment building and as a kid you didn't know any better. But

now that I have something with a lot of space for my children and my grandchildren, we would like to preserve that. And so putting housing right next to each other reminds me of being in a huge city, which I personally left to avoid. Um, if if this happened before when BART brought came I don't know how many years ago it's been that BART brought this up to the city council and and we fought back and said we would like it to be more single housing that fits our neighborhood. So, you have any questions for any of us that are opposed to this? Um, I think with the children and the safety they're walking to school, you're planning on three-bedroom homes, which means you're implying having children. That means more children, more little kids, more traffic. Um, my neighbor Ivon Thompson had noted that the traffic down our street alone, which is 150 north, even occurs at 1 2 3 in the morning because that new road had been built, which is great because I had mine bogging down the mud and it would I'm glad at least it's known. I don't have mud in my home because my husband doesn't have to bog through the through all the water. Uh, we just want to keep the way our neighborhood looks the way it looks and not what houses right next to each other. You have any questions? All right. Thank you. Thank you, Gail. My name is Stephanie and I'm I live across the street from G. And um I just have a question. So is there if someone buys one of these units lives there for a year, is there a rule that they can't rent it? That's a great question. Currently, we do not have any anything

for that. Okay. I've lived in an HOA with regular homes and people bought them and they couldn't afford them and they um they rented them out to people and they weren't very nice people. And I realize he's a builder and he has the ideal family, but that's not always what he gets. And so, um I just want to put that thought out there. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, my name is Cole Christensen. I live on well 674 West 75 North. So just up the road from there. Again, that we've seen the petition. There's a lot of people. I mean, you'll get a copy of it. The reason it was just turned into is because none of us knew about this meeting. Um I haven't seen I didn't get anything that indicated that there was a meeting today or again you know maybe it doesn't maybe it's not needed but um that's why you just got that in today is cuz we've been working on it trying to get my signature is not on there because I've been busy today but it would be on there. There's several other neighbors that would also be on that petition. I think everybody in the neighborhood would actually sign it um if we had time to actually take it to them but we didn't have time to do that. So, uh, it does increase. We've already seen an increase in traffic flow. Just because that road has been open, you're talking about adding another 15, 25 homes in there. It is going to create more traffic throw flow through there, which does put kids at risk at safety. I mean, we have kids, we have already have vehicles flying down that road, you know, going 30 m hour, which already creates, you know, a safe problem. Um, I've also had friends that have lived in town homes. There wasn't nowhere to

park. We had to park on the street. It got very congested. Um, you know, it it created problems. It creates problems for kids to dart out the middle of the road. Like unless they're going to be parked right in the driveways, I think there's some concern that way. The other thing is I know a lot of people that have bought, you know, some of the town homes that are currently in in town and they do move and then they rent them out. Um, I know several that have had more than six people living in them. Um, if you know, I appreciate the the idea of building these and and having maybe a single family home in there, but that's not how it works in Roosevelt. Those aren't the people that are renting, you know, those homes. It's uh, you know, it's large number of people, oil filled, um, workers. I mean, there's a vast majority of people that rent those out. And you know, if there's no guarantee that they can't rent out a short, you know, if it's going to be a short-term, hey, 30 days here is there. There is uh you know, there's company in town that buys up these places like crazy and you rent and then just start renting them out, Airbnb, that type of stuff. I think that's also concerning, but uh probably 19 years ago, Kim Hails came. She got a petition through the whole neighborhood. I don't know if you guys keep that on record, but it was already the petition was already signed. Asked that we didn't put any apartments in here because that's what they were planning on doing. Um, everybody signed it. It didn't get approved at that time. We would just ask that be approved at this time, too. Thank you, Paul. [Music] Is there anyone else against that like to say

[Music] anything? Okay. Is there anything else that needs to be said during the public meeting by public open public meeting? So, will you take phone calls still? Sorry. My name is Annette Miller. You need my address? No. Okay. We're the owners of the property currently and Jacob is trying to purchase this and do this development. I am also on the planning and zoning commission for Duchian County. I've been to a bunch of meetings with the state. I am a real estate agent. There is a huge need in our state for the missing middle, which is housing for, like Jacob said, um, young married couples, families. So, think about I know I understand that you guys would like to keep your neighborhood a neighborhood. We would love to do that, too. We're over a million dollars just to put that road in for you guys. So, we have to get our money out. Well, no one asked you to do that. I mean, we're glad that you did, but no one asked you to. Our other option was to block it off. Yeah. Then you would have 10 of traffic going past your house. No, cuz I live in a dead end. I didn't use that voice up here. So, basically, we built our objective was to put some businesses in there. Talk to us, right? the businesses backed out. So, this is our next option to pay for what we have put in for the infrastructure and things. We feel like this is a good move

for Roosevelt City. There is a need for this style of housing. There is a need. Where are your grandkids going to live? Can they all afford a half a million dollar home? There's got to be some homes in that market. And this these guys are trying to hit that market for to do a service for our community. If you want your kids to come back and live close to you, there's got to be something available that they can afford. So, and I would also like to clarify that the two duplexes in the back were not built by us. That lot has nothing to do with the subdivision. It was never part of the subdivision. It was a separate lot and it was not us. [Music] Thanks. Do you guys have any other questions for us? No. Thanks. [Music] Okay. Um, have a motion to close the public meeting. Public meeting. I'll move close. I'll second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Okay. Um, do we have We have a motion to approve this development or sorry, conditional use of that. Thank you.

I I just make a comment. I mean, I I I see a need for that kind of housing, but I I do see the problem in, you know, putting it in, you know, where this other, you know, next to this other housing and things. I don't know. I mean, I would see it more in a area where there's totally new development and there is an existing housing next to it. So our our thing is is that it fits in the PR with with the conditional use permit. It does fit in there. There's nothing wrong with having it there. um if they fail to um comply with the with that permit then there there are I don't know what not punishments but there's there's legal consequences that can happen um realistically um it it due to our ordinances it it needs to be approved um there there are contingencies that we can put on it. I do like the contingency that there is no short-term rental um in there that that it just can't happen. Um I like that the driveways I mean it it it stinks at the same time that the driveways are the width of the house but it doesn't allow people to park on the street. And I I don't like street parking personally, which doesn't have anything to do with it because it's I mean it's whatever the city allows, but but I like that they can't park on the street and that the driveways are deep enough that the vehicle doesn't

encroach or shouldn't encroach into the sidewalk. Um I know that there's a lot of concerns. I I I appreciate everybody's input. Um are there um any any contingencies that anybody would want to um put that that we're able to put? I mean that we can legally put on there. Is there anything we can do about the traffic issues request is the infrastructure big enough there for the traffic that's going to be increased there? So as as far as a traffic study, R. Yeah. And that could be a contingency or a condition um based upon a traffic study. Speed limit will weigh in on that as well. There's been some concern on speed limit and speeding. So, a traffic study could be a condition. I would imagine the speed limit is 25. Should be I don't know if it's posted or not, but of course it's probably not posted on most of our streets, but it's kind of like we um I have a I have a unit similar to what these would be uh in in St. George. that is part of a big complex but it was built clear out away from you know there were no existing housing close to it when it was built and now there's I don't know how many town homes there are surrounded by I went with the properties to the to the

east the the new duplexes on the south um and I just I I don't see enough difference and hoping that the HOA can stay on top of things and that's where this this permit comes comes in play is if they don't stay on top of it then the city can get involved. Is that correct? Yeah. Conditional use is based on the conditions set. If they are not compliant with those conditions then there can be legal ramifications imposed by the city. I mean, so what recourse does anybody have? They build something and four years down the road all these things are [Music] in. It's not like a gravel pit that you abandon or, you know, something that can be abandoned and and stopped because it's already going to be there. What What recourse is there if they default on the conditioned use permit? Like I said, it's legal. Uh fines can be imposed of that nature and and whatever the city council decides at that point to revoke the conditional use permit with with fines attached. It can be brought to a county level as well for for uh levy against and leans against the property. Um so there's there's those ramifications that can happen. So, do we have any motion for um and do you want to do a traffic study if that's a concern with the kids there? I think it's it could be a condition we could put in there.

So, and then based off of that traffic study, what what happens drew? I mean, can they put in speed bumps to slow down traffic? Can they can we impose speed bumps to slow down traffic? So, that'll all be determined with that traffic study and the engineering again uh behind that. So, okay, with those findings um that'll be determined by the engineering and could be brought back to this body, I guess, with that study and recommendation. I like the development. I just think I just don't like the impact it has on the on the neighbors. Thank you. Would they look at that traffic study on just 600 west or are they going to look at like 150, 150, look at 200, look at 150, look at 75. Is that the whole neighborhood that they would look at? Anything that that it would impact and any street that that would impact is where the study would come from. And that would only be 600 because you're looking at just what what's the traffic coming out to 200. You're not looking at all the other anything connected to it. Okay. Okay. I I would hope so. I think you'd have to look at all the outlets for traffic flow for fire for emergency response all 150 and 75 200 all of it come on. So, can we get a motion um to approve on condition that a traffic study is performed and is compliant with the requirements of of this development? I would still move. Are

there any other conditions though that we want to include? outside of the traffic study issues. Um, can we go back to all of the stuff that we can include in the conditional use? Is that okay? So, we can look at each one. So you're you're saying privacy issues as far as I um I have privacy issues. I feel like that I mean I can't feel but in my perspective the the traffic would be the biggest issue. Um the like I I've said several times, the condition that there's not any short-term rentals is is a good thing. And that as long as the I mean as long as the HOA stays on top of it the way it should stay on top of it, it it should be okay. And if it's not, then you know complaints can be made and the city can be notified and things would have to change. And that that's the point of the conditional use. The other issue though is it is a development like this can impact neighboring properties in terms of value for single property owners. That is could be a first determine the impact that it has on

properties. What's that? Is it this body's job job to determine what impact it has on properties? No, it it's our it's our job to make sure it's it's within what our code is and what what we have right here. And and it is I mean the only thing that we the only thing that we can do is you know if we wanted to change it for future use but there there's I mean we're kind of strapped because it does it does fall in within everything we have up there and all we can do is really put those conditions on there. um do we need to address the impact that it could have to utilities and um as was maybe addressed that the HOA at some point might not pay their bills and the impact that that has on Roosevelt city itself in so they're they're all individual meters right I thought it was they were all individually meters each complex Lex will have a 2 in meter. Oh, so the complex themselves and the HO will be responsible for the the four meters I think is what was proposed. So as a whole and and as far as that goes, we have in our fee schedule late fees and shut off and so that's how you would address those. Yeah. And contingencies on that. So at some point if they default but they don't pay their bill then you guys would go out every year shut it down and then they have to pay a new deposit as well that would be held

each unit has its own electric meter yes power gas are individually me so they deal directly with the gas company or the power company. Correct. For those Chicago, [Music] one thing I'd suggest as well uh to the body is we've talked about parking and being a problem and congestion. That might be something and I know the parking has been taken care of, but it might be a condition that um the residents need to have off- streetet parking only. Well, didn't uh didn't you say something? You were talking about 2.3 vehicles per family. 2.25 is the ordinance, but they have So that's 60 vehicles that are going to be parked in that 500 foot strip. Could be potentially. Yes, that's a lot of impact on a little street. So, you know, if it was I guess if it was if you had that on both sides, but I'm looking and saying they haven't developed that other side into those houses and who's going to want to build there. I guess that would be my question. You know, who would want to live right there in that you going to build Dup? That's right. Duplexes won't fit. What's that? Duplexes won't fit. Single family. Duplexes won't fit. Yeah, but I I guess my question is how many single family owners would want to would want to be there? I mean, it seems like to me would

fit better if it was in a in a complex where the whole thing was town houses, you know, and so forth, but I don't know. Make a motion on the contingency that there's a traffic study performed and did somebody mention off streetet make sure that in the HOA CCRs that they are off streetet parking that they are not parking on the street or I would put in more sidewalk and that's in the road. They can't park on the same road. I know. I don't think I'm allowed to talk unless you You're not. Sorry. It's It's been closed. Um, but you brought up questions that we now have we we want to further those questions by your discussion just now. And so you would um and you're f I understand that and I respect it. However, you brought up some points that have now caused us to have some questions. Let's um if we can get a motion um on contention that there's a traffic study performed. The parking is off street in the CC Mars. Um anybody We have a second. Second. I just I just think I mean I don't know

whether the neighborhood really is all all aware of of what it is. I just I guess I would like to know a little more about how the whole neighborhood feels about it. And just to mention, if you are going to deny it, you have to have a reason that goes with the condition. Yeah. [Music] [Music] Is there another contingency that you want to put in there? I don't know. For me, it just I guess I'm this is kind of new and the whole thing, you know, and uh just um Can can you go back to the um the data bullet points? Yeah, the um right there um [Music] I mean number down there. So the second one that it'll contribute positively the general well-being of the neighborhood and the community, right?

Um, so to me that that's kind of the the only thing that we're trying to base this this negative part off of. Well, is what you're saying? Read V to the appropriate buffing buffering of adjacent uses in buildings including proper parking and traffic circulation which we've got that in the traffic study and in the CC CCRs to make sure they park off the street proposed use and harmony in compatible with adjoining uses which adjoining uses it's a PR so it's a professional office and residential area. Well, is that what all the Janing property is? Yeah. From from the west and the on the west. Is that what it is? The blue apartments, they're not the blue apartments are they were multif family it's an R16 now, but at one point they allowed the multif family. So, you've got multif family on the east side. So I mean everything touching that street is PR. So I mean it complies with with [Music] that. So this uh traffic study that we're talking about, how extensive what what uh what is that going to tell us? It'll tell you as far as the the road width, the density of housing, the impact to the neighboring roads, the outlets. Um that traffic study will will tell you all of that information if the road's adequate to um assume 25 homes worth of vehicles and u that report will

include all of that. So it'll it'll study Lagoon Street, correct? and second north and the effects that both of those thorough affairs would correct would be affected and I guess if the traffic study says that 60 cars is too many that the permit is denied. It would it would determine whether the the infrastructure is sufficient to handle the the traffic. Correct. Yeah. And if it's not sufficient then the city has grounds to deny then yeah then conditional use if that's one of the conditions that you said I I just think if we read number number two again read that the proposed use at the proposed location is necessary necessary or desirable to provide a service or facility that will contribute positively the general well-being of the neighborhood and the [Music] community. So, you kind of have both sides of that. Yeah. Is it provides affordable housing which is needed but it also provides a lot more traffic. Yeah. Provides very negative impact upon the community. Yeah. maybe. [Music] So on on number three, I mean that's what we're talking about putting a a condition on is the the traffic study utilities are

adequate school and access to school have to go to speak across the highway like Anybody else? Stop light. Stop light. I'm just uncomfortable doing that. I'm just I see some benefit and some negative too. I just hard to So, what if we um I right there like I understand the residents don't want it, but there's nothing only legally we can't deny it, right? I mean, we can put conditions on it. The only reason we can deny it is if it doesn't meet the zoning. Meet the zoning. And it meets the zoning. And so, Our recourse of the thing that we can do as a body is put conditional uses on it to to make sure that it's addressed that the conditions are met are addressed that it's that can be approval is my understanding. Yeah. Yep. And so if that I mean the conditions if we put those two conditions on there the traffic study and the on street park and the off street park make sure everybody parks off the street then I don't know of any other conditions we can put on there but well with that with those I'll I guess I'll

second it. I mean I mean you know might have feelings both ways but but I think that we all do and I think we all have it but we're still kind of bound by by our code um all in favor I I any against yes [Music] So spot happy. Yeah, it's my neighborhood. Yeah. Okay. So condition upon the traffic study and and the off street parking. Okay. Okay. So again, thank you everybody. I know this stinks. Um one of those things that maybe we can look at for the future. Thanks for listening. Thank you. Training does this have to go to the city council now? No, it does not. It's it's conditional use based on planning and zoning's approval. The appeal authority would be the legislative body. If it was denied here, it would be appealed by the developer and and brought to the the city council at that point. But where it was where it was not uh denied at this body, then it won't need to be appealed unless they want to appeal the conditions. But so it does not need to go to city council. So we could have denied it. I was going to say I mean I know I'm not supposed to talk, but she just said you had to make a vote and you couldn't deny it. And yet now you're saying you could deny it. And I mean I'm I'm a little confused. How can you not deny it and it can go somewhere else? Okay, so as the

deputy report just legally, if they would have denied it, they would have met recourse with city council and city council could have took all of their seats because they are not following what is in city code and then they could have been sued by the developers and the property owners. So we forcing a we have to follow code and and so that that's why I say in the future if this is a if this is a situation that bothers us that much then in the future we need to look at it and look at areas and and change that to where it doesn't happen. I mean, I'm I'm bothered that we had to do it in in some ways because of what it affects the neighborhood, but I understand the code. Can I ask a procedural thing? You asked for a second. How long do you wait before the second if it doesn't come before you shut it down? It's open. It's just there. Um training. We're going to postpone that. We'll bump the OPMA training. We do need to take care of the So, uh, the subdivision amendment, um, and that does need to go to city council for approval after this body approves the subdivision plat amendment. And that would be, if you're ready for that, I can present that. No, let's do that one. Okay. This that would work. So the the plat subdivision plat amendment would the proposal would be to change the three lots in the P1R zone to the 25 town home lots within the P1R based on the plat that you've seen previously. Here it is. So each lot would be its own parcel and kind of an imaginary lot line through the town home is how that work. It's works. It it's recorded with a separate parcel number.

Um, so the that would be the proposal for So if that isn't approved, then what happens? Um, then they can appeal it and take it to city council, but but it's kind of the same thing. It's um I don't know town homes is is an approved use again within the PR. These would be town home lots. Uh so if it's if it's denied based on what I guess would would need to come from this body. the reasoning why um it can be appealed and brought to the legislative body. Um either way, this does have to go to the legislative body for approval for final approval. So, I would base this one off the same condition of the traffic um the traffic study. Can we can do that, Carol? This one's not conditional use. This one's uh just a a flat amendment. So it would not be based on conditions. Well, so they have setbacks and stuff the lot correct and they need the lot sizes for the P1 arm. So yeah. Yep. Well, the conditional use would would take care of the town home uh on that one, I guess. Right. So, so can we table this till we resolve the conditional use permit because they're kind of hand in hand.

They are. Um that's a good question. Uh you can do whatever you'd like. Um, based on based on your findings on that conditional use, I I think you could make a contingency that that this would uh be approved based on the traffic study or not approved based on the traffic study. I think that would be legally okay without being a lawyer and attorney, but I think you could make that contingency. Can we postpone until the traffic study is completed so that we can approve it appropriately then? Because if the traffic study comes back and it it doesn't work, then we're going to have to learn how it approved readjust it and that would be like I mentioned on contingency that the traffic study was approved. So we can do it on the contingency. So let me ask this question to you. If if the traffic study is approved and okay comes back to this body, I would assume you would then approve the plat amendment, right? So based on the contingency of the traffic study being approved, you could approve the the plat amend amendment based on the traffic study being essentially it's the same thing, but it would not bring it back to the body for approval. We could still hold that on. Well, if your traffic study's not done by the 17th, it would not go to city council at that point because based on their motion, if they approve it based on the traffic study, we wouldn't be able to take it to city council on the 17th if that's not complete. If that's what you're Does that kind of answer? Yeah. Do we have a motion to

um to accept this with the contingency of the traffic study comes back. Okay. On the development I move approval to have a second. Second. Okay. I don't know. I'd rather have the traffic study back before we Well, it's based on that. If if the traffic study comes back and it's it doesn't allow for it, then this isn't valid. All right. I'll second. All in favor? I I Any against? Thank you. This was a hard thing. Very hard. Do you have any minutes? Next meeting. Okay. Do you have a motion to adjurnn? I move. So move. Second. All in favor? I. So who made the motion? Thank you again. So, so take stop the video and I'll tell you about that.