City Planning & Zoning - Regular Meeting

for a conditional use permit for the construction and operation of a waxy crude upgrading facility located at 3,624 West 2000 South Roosevelt Utah. our findings. The abovementioned property is located in Roosevelt City's M2 zone, which allows for heavy manufacturing and industrial. The processing of oil products is permitted in the M2 zone with the approval of a conditional use application. Additionally, this location will need to comply with Roosevelt City's airport overlay zoning requirements. The purpose of this public notice that we sent out is to inform the public and give them a advertisement of the location time and date that we sent out within the proximity required by state code. So with that, if there's any questions for Hank Diesel is on Zoom. He does also have some co-workers and his son is here. They flew in as far as New Orleans and traveled from Colorado Springs for this public hearing and application tonight. So, if you have any questions, Hank, are you with us?

Well, I hope so. Great. Okay. I wasn't 100% sure that I dialed in, but obviously I'm not. Thank you. All right. and we'll open it up to you guys for should we ask questions or should we just jump into public hearing first? Um, usually you'll you'll kind of ask your questions. It's up to you guys as a body. If you want to ask questions to Hank or myself, you can do that before we move into the public hearing. I'm fine with either way. Actually wouldn't mind public hearing first to see what those concerns might be and then we can follow up.

Any objection to that? No, I like that, too. I move that we go into public hearing for the conditional use proposal for Utah Energy Processing LLC. Second. All in favor? I comments.

Any comments from the public? Yeah, I'm not real sure what it's going to consist of. I'm Gary Roar. What's this really consist of besides uh apparently you're taking the wax and and what are you going to make out of it? Where do they go? Wayne, you could probably explain better, but taking waxy crude making specialty products out of this mineral spirits.

Yeah. Just give me a um a moment here. Just tell you where I came from. I used to be the general manager of the previous refinery in Roosevelt. Okay. I'm the one that put the 6 million gallon tank out there and put the poly units and all that stuff back in the 70s. And so I loved that project. I really did. But I moved on and I went to work for other companies and they made me a better deal. So I had I left. But anyway, uh I'm was very familiar with that project and this project is kind of in the footsteps. That project just made two products, gasoline and diesel. This does not make transportation. One second. Drew, do we need to have them at the microphone? Mayor, can you stand and just talk?

Sure. Sorry. So, the previous one made transportation fuels. This one is going to make more high-tech products. We'll make special solvents like mineral spritz. And then the big project is middle oil, which is like baby oil. And there's a big market for baby oil. And so there's no sulfur issues, there's no transportation issues and the crew is readily available here and we can make that and everything's free sold. So it's pretty straightforward. Any questions? Jerry, do you have more questions? Does that kind of explain? Yeah, I'll be happy to answer your questions. Okay.

Relative the diesel gas like they did out here before. They're just doing cosmetics and stuff like that. Okay. Uh, it's not Bay, but it's the same thing. Just south of the airport. They call it light. South of the airport. Just south of the airport on I still call it Pine Road. I don't know what everybody else calls it, but Okay. Down from Strata then. Yep. Or down. Yeah. Where Brad Knight built all of his new stuff. It's even west of that. I think it's west of where UPS used to have a shop out there.

UPS is just north of where I was. So there when the planes take off, they come up to the south side and then you can look at the pilot show the parcel viewer property and they take off. So we're basically making um two products that u are there's like very little. We take all the impurities out of the oil. So any any uh other impurities that go in there are taken out. So that it's basically cleaned up and we're able to make these. Otherwise, if you don't do that, you end up with black wax. That's what you started with, you know. So, so you have to have a way to change the oil back into liquid. So, we change it into a liquid. It comes out like a baby one, which is mineral.

It's a unique way of doing it. And it takes out all the sulfur and any of the metals and all that stuff. So, you really pure product. Go to the right. Three parcels. That one right there. So, it's at the end of the runway.

Remind me. You know, I I just wanted to know what it was because I knew when the factory was here before. Great question.

You know, had questions on that. I'm oil field, so I'm all about bringing the wax and I think and doing something with it instead of having to ship it. No, this is a great opportunity because uh this is relatively small project 1,000 a day and once we get it get it like that you can go to the next step you can go up to like 10,000 give everybody approved and that would you know create more jobs and things like that and u there was obviously interest by the governor in this project and uh we could meet his timetable we do now but it's a little bit later he wanted us to do this at at the end of 24 and we weren't getting the financing done until 25 and then we have to get over the permitting which is um what 6 months or so. So um what kind of water does it take? What how much doesn't use water makes

there's no water used in the process. So the little bit of water that's entrained in the in the provol and you take that out and it's purified is basically um so it takes up the water and then that can go out for different uses like water. So they have a water connection that's proposed. It's just a residential size connection though 3/4 inch that will serve the office. Yeah. So it doesn't make impure water. Nothing. You got to figure this out.

So you don't really have any problems. You don't have any waste products. None. So it it what what happens in the process decontaminates the oil and takes out all the um like a little bit of sulfur little bit of resins. That's all gone. And it takes out any any sulfur and any of the metals. So you end up with baiting. Do you burn out this sulfur or do you

No, no, it gets captured. It goes into the uh catalyst and the catalyst acts like a um filter. So you have a small trace of salt level. It goes into a sandy. How many KVA of a transformer have you asked wind late for? Oh, that would be Hank's question to answer. H sorry guys make out conversation. How big of a power service are you asking for Hank?

How big of a power service from Moon Lake Electric? could have you asked for?

Well, they're putting two transformers for one, but it's we're way over capacity because that isn't used for the processing. We're getting using natural gas from extended line property. Um, so the process needed so the for lights and for some heat tracing on the pipes, you know, because as you all know in the winter uh we need to make sure that our waxy crew doesn't set up. I don't know if that helps you, but that's uh it's we've gone with overkill on the electricity. Then I understood that it it's mostly natural gas. Is that what I heard?

Correct. For Yeah. Processing. Yep. You have electricity for lights and that kind of stuff instrumentation, but it's not used in the box. It's just a natural gas. It's kind of like a hot water heater. A gas hot water. Yeah. So it's it's this is if you have to pick if you have to pick a processing plant, this is probably the best in the country. You don't have any any emission problems. You don't have any other other toxics anything. It's it's I mean you can eat it.

I would recommend a lot of eight ounces a day is probably Any other questions from the public? Mayor Mayor Olsson. Hey, Tommy Olsen. Mayor, um, quick question. Is there a byproduct at all that you have, you don't have to like haul off anything? Correct. And then when do you look to start? That would be Hank's question. Oh,

what we're looking for, of course, is well, this is this is a very important day. uh because this puts us in a position to move into construction phase and uh our uh the other condition present is for the FDA to come back and uh acknowledge that we're under their basically their hight limitation. So we really don't have a whole lot of long me time items. So, we were hopeful that we could be up and commissioning in 4 months. Nice.

Okay. And is and is it truly sold as baby oil or mineral oil? Who is going for your customers going to take this um and be able to use it as a white oil, which is kind of baby oil. And so they use like seven different types based on viscosities. Yes.

And so we make like the big a general mineral oil. And the question is, do they want us to make it into one of the other types? And they mentioned like, well, there's like one through seven types. And we're going to make number seven, which is a more general oil, but we can take that oil and make it into a lighter baby oil or call light mineral oil or light oil or heavy mineral oil. But we can make either one, but this is a brand new market. So, we just want to get the project up and going and sell it cuz they'll take it just as general baby oil and then we can either have them upgrade it offsite or we'll upgrade it here. Who's them? Where where does it ship? This is Hank. This is your question.

Who does it? Your sale company. Sorry. Hank, your company. the company's finding the product name. Um I I don't understand the question. If you could text me or Owen could text me then I can answer. Okay.

So basically Hanks is working with the the offers and I'm technology. So mine is I got the easiest job because you got to the screw and you're not getting it's not getting the full value and it to the to the so what was what was weird is back in like August or something like that I didn't get from the governor's office that they wanted this project to go so there's a strong

I'm sorry you're asking who's who would be buying the refined products. Uh we we are way over sub subscribed. Uh but a major name that you might recognize that is in all lure of 48 states is

any other questions from the public? Motion to close the public hearing. So moved. I'll second it. All in favor? Any opposed? Can we open for questions from the planning and zoning board? Okay. So, my main question is I'm always looking at future state of Roosevelt city. Seems like an odd location near the airport. What's the why behind that maybe? And is it the best?

Well, the reason we chose this particular site was for a number of reasons. One, we need electricity and we need natural gas. So, we wanted to be close to that. We also wanted to be within the correct industrial zone. Um, and and frankly, uh, we didn't want to slow down. And so we worked with a local re realtor and this this was the site that had the uh appropriate number of acres that if we wanted to could um allow for expansionship. And if you look down Line Road, uh there's a lot of trucks going uh going through there. And so we felt we were in a fairly friendly place for this facility. Does it meet all the FAA requirements? I mean, airplanes, natural gas, lots of electricity and refinement.

So, I can speak to that. So, we have an FAA engineer uh who is very good at her job and keeping in touch with this process as we've had plans submitted and keeping in close discussions with her. They have a 6480 uh application that is controlled by the FAA on height and uh it's it's got a diagram as far as the lateral as well of what you can be on height. They do meet what they're call a stack. They actually modified that stack to be in compliance with that FAA regulation. We are waiting currently on that application to be returned. So, if approved, we'll be contingent on that 6480 application coming back. And we don't foresee any reasons why they would deny that. Um, it would just takes it takes a little bit of time and I believe we're still waiting on that. Direct tank.

Yes. And um, you know, it's an online application and that's really I think what you're alluding to. is they're concerned about height and that that height restriction goes up uh as you get further away from the center line of the the runway. So, we're actually uh under the height height restrictions for the FAA uh and the city's height restrictions actually a little bit higher than the FAA and we're under that as well. Let's say we want to expand that airport. The reason I ask these questions is I used to fly out of the Provo airport, which back in the day there was no one down there. Now it's a small airport that has commercial aircraft flying in and out. What does this do for us for potential future state as we look to potentially expand the airport? Does this put us in a

rough spot? That's a great question. So, we do have a master plan for our airport with that in mind as far as expansion bringing larger jets in. Uh, with that in consideration of our master plan and communicating with Kimberly, our JUB, our FA engineer, this would fall in line with with future expansions as well. Okay. So, yes, those are my concerns. I might add it again. It is permitted in the M2 zone which is for heavy industrial. So it is a permitted use with the conditional approval. Any other questions from

So with this if if you will on the conditional use, we also need a site plan approval for the site plan that has been prepared. We do not require 100% engineering on the site plan. Uh just to give your give yourselves a sight of what this is going to look like, we've provided the the map there. Uh parking is going to be at a minimum that's going to be somewhat fully automated. I believe not a whole lot of employees will be at the location. We will be working with um the state fire marshall as well on the design and and uh final stand plans on this one. herb gutter water. I know. Isn't there water issues down there, too?

So, this would actually be in Johnson Waters district and they have been working with them. Uh, it will only be an office connection for a toilet. Okay. All the water they will need. Fire suppression though that will also be be needed. We don't foresee any problems with that. There's a drainage in there that runs through part of that. I guess are they going to have to build that up or Yeah, we've Johnson Mill has been working on that drainage design as well. They will not be on improved sewer. So they they will and have been approved for a waste water septic.

Yeah, there kind of is an old drainage. I mean, it's hard to tell. It's the same one that's been kind of filled in with the airport and a bunch of other development. Um yeah, I don't remember where the train comes from. Honestly, someone was like maybe it was used to be the end of some sort of irrigation, but that is being looked at as far as the same design we've been doing with the other projects out there. Brad Knights, no issues with septics down there. No, it did park. It passed pretty sandy cobwe.

That's one thing we're still waiting back on Tri Countyy's approval. So I believe their approval they have approval they just had to choose a what they call their I don't remember basically just have to choose an installer that's certified appro county. So the information I have is that it's actually approved that the sector's approved. Okay. But sewer's not coming in. Weren't we going to run sewer down there for the other development? No. That plan has changed a little bit. A lot of minutes or a lot of I think that if that one happened it probably go down 40. Yeah. Yeah. Has changed in on that one. So

no you're good. All good questions. So the side drainage is all captured on site and put in the pond. Okay. Yeah. Northeast corn. Yep. Okay. There's containment around the the tank farms or tank batteries, whatever you want to call them. All that stuff's according to firewall code. Everything else curb gutter all that's well no uh curb gutter. It is a county road.

Um it's not an improved road on their frontage. The interior would be gravel with hard surface around the tank battery location I believe. And as Jeff mentioned there would be containment per fire code. Are we talking the majority of the traffic is trucks in, trucks out, not a ton of employees and no customer facing anything? Trucks and pickups. Like how many employees would are we looking at possibly? Might ask. Hank, did you hear that question? How many employees on site would you be looking at? Perhaps five.

Okay. And I might mention as well where that is a county road. They were required and are required to get a encroachment permit which they have been in contact with the county on that as well for access the trust and we receive that permit I guess. Yes. Okay. So today we're voting on conditional use and site plan. Okay. Uh just before they get going, Hank, you had mentioned at one time we are going to be fencing the location on the perimeter. Uh yes, it it's a six foot cyclone fence.

Okay. And we had to uh for I think new rules uh our ingress and egress gates need to be 120. speaking further

and I heard earlier a discussion about our retention. Now, as you probably notice in this site plan, we got two 48 500 barrel tank uh farms, tank farms, and we we're polywalling both uh with a liner. Motion to approve. You're ready.

Did you want us to clearly state some conditions? I know you and I talked a little bit about that. Like making it making a condition even though this stuff's already required. Do we put the condition that the FAA form be approved and the encroachment permit from the county is submitted and that the water service application from Johnson Water? I mean, I'll get away.

We'll pull up the conditional use page here for you to review. Okay,

okay. So if you can see that it's in our code as far as the pling zoning conditions that they do need to meet can either approve approve with conditions or deny if it meets the criteria on this title R7.08.060. Those would be the the conditions. All provisions of this title, state and federal law, which would require FAA approval. Yes. Okay.

I believe you're on the right path as far as approving with those things that are still kind of lingering out there. The septic, the FAA 6480, those would be the two big ones. Number seven, not create any greater hazard of fire explosion, which the fire code standards would need to be adhered to during the construction and when we get their design, those will have to all be met. It's all foam. It's all used fire. Does Johnson Water have an 8 inch line there? Yes.

Or is it bigger than eight? No, it's eight on full line units that can be moved wherever and they can foam the entire site, you know, the tank farm, etc. Right. It's really cool. push the fire out and you they show movies and they had like big open tank on fire and they sprayed on there and it within like a second or two goes out temperature drops like 1,800 degrees and it's all over. Uh I would assume the fire marshall will be thrilled because you never have to come to a fire.

Lots of positiveness. I've actually had fire marshals on the phone. I tell them what they're going to do. This is for our locations. They go, "Where I'm at is send." First time I ever talked to them, "Yep, you're good." On the phone, I was amazed. They heard what they were doing. They understood it. All right. Any other concerns? Any other conditions? Motion to approve. I'll move that we approve the conditional use permit and the site to planning. Is that the word?

Let's do them in two different motions if you would. Each one separately. Okay. Let's do the conditional use uh permit first motion to approve conditional use permit with condition with the conditions we stated. down. Are Aren't they already listed? No. So So we need to list them three. I think we have three or two. I'll I'll give you my list and then you can tell me if your motion still stands.

Um water service approval through Johnson Water encroachment permit uh approved through Duchain County. The FAA permit I don't remember the number. 6480. the 6480 FAA permit and the septic design approval through Tri County Health. Certainly with those four items, the pens seems already going to be in place. We don't need to address that as part of the condition, right, that you're planning on fixing the location.

Do you have any other concerns? I'm sensing his hesitation. No, it was just the condition. Any others from you? Okay. I'll second it. Hi. Motion to approve. I then if you would the next one. Motion to approve the site plan. Any conditions there that we want to add?

I still move. I'll second. Motion to approve. I I very good. Thank you.

Good, Drew. Next one. RBS site plan proposal. RBS make it look good. Did you see Did you see the whole

Okay, we can let's start there. This is just an expansion. I believe just an expansion through our code with commercial. We have to bring expansions as well as new construction for approval through this body. Is everybody familiar with this location? It' be on Highway 40. 2000 2000 West intersection there at the lake on Highway 40. Well, we have a new light, I guess, further past now. Used to be the furthest light. So, it's it's a 40 by 50. 40 by 50 edition. Yes.

Uh parking is not going to be a problem. As you can see, they have plenty of real estate. Um, we will be issuing a building permit uh for the commercial IDC building code after your approval of this. It's pretty cut and dry. If there's any questions, um, it would be for extension of the uh, not the office space, but basically your your floor space, correct? For your shop. Yeah, it's just my shop floor space. It's not the office.

So, that is in a nutshell. So, unless you have any questions for Gary or myself, it's a pretty simple one. Um, we're excited to see some growth with RBS Tools and in our industrial area. Any questions from the committee? I move approval. Second. Motion to approve. I Thank you. Thank you. I have just one last question. When is the shrimp fried? The 29th. 29th. Don't let them pressure. 29th. I was hoping to have this all done by the 29th. So, shrimp cook will be the 29th. I've got Joy coming in tomorrow morning to get that permit. So,

okay. First thing. Now, do I need to bring more money then? Probably. We're good. Yeah, more. Tons of She asked the same question. So, yeah. However you guys work that, there'll be a permit fee. Okay. I'll be paying for Thank you. All right. Okay. 100 East and 200 East Road easement discussion. Drew again.

Okay. So, we'll pull the plaque up and help describe the situation. We're not proposing a vacation of easement on this. This is going to be 200 East where Tri County Health Department, I would say Metro, some of you will be familiar with Metro Hill. um going south on 200 east. The road rightway is 100 foot wide. That was supposed to be an extension of Highway 40 back when they originally platted the town, meaning they they kept a super wide ement. The asphalt road is only a fraction of of that easement. So we currently have Can we pull the GIS on that one? S. So, we currently have, I think, 24 foot on the west side of 200 East. We have a couple of properties that are wanting to expand into some multifamily, which they aren't currently ready for the site plan, but I believe it will be happening next month for approval. The ask is I'm just going to step over to the

It's at the south side. Yeah. Down right here.

And this lot here. But let's look at this one currently. If you'll zoom in. So, as you can see, there's a big gap of dirt on that west side that the city has retained as an easement. The road is not going to be any wider than that. It does it is plenty wide as it is for the residential district that it serves. So the the ask would be if we can utilize this for their parking for multifamily uh to help with their setbacks and also for the city to alleviate a dirt and weed maintenance uh mess. In speaking with our city attorney, he felt that if we do approve this, we will have to have an agreement with the property owners that they will maintain a hard surface of cement. We have decided not to asphalt. There would be cement. The sidewalk would be towards the home instead of on the roadside for safety issues. The city would maintain the sidewalk. The property owners would maintain the parking service in that area. We would still retain that as our our roadway with a a working service agreement on the maintenance for their parking. So, the house on the upper right hand corner, it sidewalk is nearest to the road.

Yes, that would probably need to either be adjusted at that floor or just take a jog of some sort. We'll have to address that. Uh, if you look is that house on that easement as well. So, driveway section. Yeah, that driveway and and grass would be in our easement on that one. Over here is a good example as well of what we're talking about. This is utilized for parking for the multifamily unit. Uh the city still retains that 100 foot uh road easement. Where's the sidewalk? There is no sidewalk on that one currently.

Okay. So, we'll jot the sidewalk over so it's inward. Mhm. So, about the property line actually where that line is. Okay. Yeah, the parking stall then could be our required 9 by 20 foot in length. Um, and for safety reasons, the sidewalk would be in front of so we wouldn't be Is that a Yak property rig there? No. No. Okay. And they're looking to do multifamily. They are in that location. There's a site plan that will be coming your way, I believe, next month. They just haven't quite got it done. If you'll zoom out just a little, Sierra, will that go to public hearing since that house is probably

That won't be. No, it's an approved use for the multifamily. So, the site plan will come to you, but not for conditional. Okay. Use. So, is the one in the corner a single family home? It's multi. Yeah, this is a forplex. That's a forplex. Okay.

So, this area here as well will be coming, I think, next month, and they're they're going to be asking the same ask on this side. And I think on all let's see nope two sides this one and this one as well for utilizing parking um in our easement which we do have the real estate to accommodate that as well on 100 east but for today the ask would be just for for this location on 200 east. So, the one question I had, you said 9 by 20 on parking stalls, but the exhibit they showed only says like 17.4 ft long.

Yeah, we'll have to adjust that to the easement width that they're denoting is only 17.4. The ement's 23 ft. So, if you zoom in on that, I thought it said 17.4. Maybe I zoom in right where it says uh 200 east the other real estate may be taken up in their private Jeff see that 17.4 right there. Yeah of Eastman but their parking stall will be I was Yeah, we were thinking there was 23 ft but it says 22.4 up above. Yeah, 22.4

22.62 there. Okay, we'll just have to have them adjust that 17 to the 20 to satisfy our parking code, I believe. But the easement left over from the back of gutter is this. So then the sidewalk will be on the private property, but the city will maintain it. We'll have to get an agreement with or they will maintain the sidewalk as well. Yeah. If it's outside of the easement, that will have to be the property owner's responsibility, which is standard, right? Yeah. So, and they're okay to concrete it, but Yes.

I mean, I think it's a good use of property that the city's never likely going to use. And I think it solves an issue where we need multi- family housing and that's a good location. Yeah. I don't see any issues with it. We will be taking it to city council as well. Just wanted to approach the the body of planning zoning first with this. Just out of curiosity, who's the

um it changes. I'm not sure exactly. This property has changed hands three times since this has been proposed, but currently the application is um is Murray, I think. Is it Colt Murray? Cole Cole Murray. Yeah, CBNM did own it for a while. They are still involved a little bit, I believe, with some of the development, but it is currently under Murray as owner title. We don't have a design yet. We did have one originally as far as the layout of that. It is changing though, but they wanted to pass this through and get approval to help with their design.

Okay. any conditions we want to put in to make sure that the width is correct or anything like that or motion to approve.

I mean, honestly, my bigger concern is just making sure Grant is good with everything. I mean, and I think that could be part of it, but making sure that the parking is actually going to fit there. And obviously they could put some of that on their property too, right? This won't satisfy 100% of the parking. No, this will just be a fraction of the stalls. Yes.

But even the depth, if the depth doesn't all fit there, I I wouldn't want the city to have to somehow figure out how to maintain sidewalk that ends up being on private property because that looks like that's probably what going is going to happen based on the widths that are called out. But I obviously have a measure myself. So like we could do that or they give the city some easement to maintain the sidewalk. I mean I'm good with you know what I mean. We could address that. Snow's apartments on Lagoon Street. The sidewalks in front of the parking. Right. Which one street? High school.

By the high school. There's a sidewalk and then the parking's after that. Like I mean you could do that could state code we looked it up with grant parking does need to be in front. That was one thing Grant was we had that same issue on the EBMC stuff from the old hospital or whatever that is and it has probably changed since they updated those but current I'm just looking at that one and going sidewalk and then parking there. Yep. Yep. So the preferred is parking and then sidewalk. That does seem backwards. It's just so people aren't walking behind somebody trying to back out a stall. It's a liability. Um if the city,

especially if the city has the sidewalk, it looks like this one will probably be a private sidewalk. We'll have to have an agreement with the developer for private. Honestly, I I guess I have no problem with the concept and I don't know how specific you need a motion to be because obviously there's a few probably changes, but I also don't think those need to necessarily come back to us either where it's going to still go to council and the attorney. I would make it contingent upon attorney review and approval as well. But this just says it's a discussion. We actually making a motion on this or just having a discussion if it's not an action item.

It's an action item. I thought we put it as an action item. So, I would prefer a motion through this body with whatever contingent on and we can take it through the city council and and grant approval there as well. The other one won't be part of this. It'll come later, but I just wanted to get you your mind kind of set. It will be coming again in the future.

Motion to approve with contingencies. I would I'd make a motion that we uh approve the use of or approval of an easement in the city's rightway for parking for multif family housing at this location uh pending approve uh review and approval from the city attorney and that any possible discrepancy between the sidewalk being on private property also is addressed in the agreement with the property owner. Motion to approve. I'll second it first. Yes. Thank you. Motion to approve. I Sorry that was long. Sierra, give the guy a microphone.

Yeah. All right. Next item on the agenda. FEMA map adoption. Drew again. Yes. So, if you remember last month, we brought to you our FEMA map proposal that was provided by the the state in FEMA for uh for FEMA insurance. We did make the two corrections. We highlighted those corrections. We wanted to give you some time to review that. If you have any input, if you like what that looked like, we can move to the next uh approval through city council. Um, we did take out a couple of those flood zones that were just old irrigation ditches that they they included. You'll scroll down a little further.

Only question I had, and I probably should asked you before, but like that one kind of down by your down south pole line.

It's in the agenda. There's a link on that that takes you to the website. Well, we had a map that we colored the two um the two lines that we were just a scan.

Okay. Sorry. Again, my only question to you where I feel like you're probably more familiar with that area south of of uh 2000 South Pine Road, right? That's one of them. You were talking about scratching, which I think I'm supportive of, but I'm curious from your experience, what happens when we get really big rain? Does it still flow in the area of the old irrigation ditch? No. And those irrigation ditches have been since everything. Yeah. So, the majority, the bulk of the runoff would be going to Drag Oaks Creek and Cottonwood obviously.

Okay. Um, they did have called out the main concern areas through town and and labeled those as potential hazard areas. But the two that they did have, it just Yeah. And I should have read into this more, but the purpose of this is to like define the flood the FEMA flood plane. And also right with that is to offer and and be eligible for the FEMA insurance which is at a lower rate. The government controls what those rates are so it doesn't get out of hand. Y

and those areas that are affected by flood that gives them an opportunity to to purchase that flood insurance. Yeah. On the other side, if we're just a fine line because if you build it's it becomes more of a hassle to build in a flood plane, too. So, if we're calling out areas in their map, which they did have that flood planes,

that also can be detrimental. But looking over the map and the flood areas, we spent quite a bit of time over the past two years actually with this uh program, excuse me, and steered it to a direction that we felt comfortable as staff. Um, obviously they they put a little bit more in than than what we had agreed originally in which we retracted, but we feel as staff that it covers a good area that that would protect the the citizens of Roosevelt in that FEMA flood plane. So the things that we took out of the flood plane is the liability on the city. No, it just wouldn't be offered as that um as that FEMA area. So the likelihood of those areas ever flooding would be very very minimal. Uh so they wouldn't offer that insurance.

Okay. So they wouldn't be eligible for the insurance for the FEMA insurance. They would do private insurance. Yeah. As far as if it did flood, would the city be liable? No, it would just be are they eligible for that flood insurance in that area. Okay. Like this specific I'd like to see what we actually did cut out.

Did you learn on the website? So they cut out the what's the name of that lateral? There was a lateral just south of P line road that ran east and west. An old old irrigation lateral that I think that's that's kind of what I was asking Drew that I don't think exists anymore. So it's almost like it's old enough that it showed up as a blue line on a on the map and so they did hydrarology and hydraulics there. But in all reality it's not really a flood plane because there's no I mean, I would you wouldn't even consider that there's not an ordinary high water mark or anything else, right? It was just an irrigation dish that was there forever. I mean, it turned into

and there's I think they the dishes doesn't even exist there anymore. So, there was that one and then there was the one's going to have to remind us what the other one was. I thought it was down by Stone Gate. I don't remember. This map is probably it's not load but it would be on this map. So the two laterals one was going uh through John Gil acres kind of by the cemetery Gail Acres through Dave Boer's property by Centennial Elementary. Okay. Through the old sewer farm area. That's an old irrigation ditch too, right?

It was an old irrigation ditch. The others was clear south of town on our far south boundaries which it just doesn't make any sense in that area. It's all flat farm ground and it basically they took the old irrigation ditches and tributaries and and called those out as a potential. So that one on the bottom of the screen is the this right here. So that one they took out. Yeah. And then the one on the very bottom of the screen right there. That one. Yep. Yes. Shean lateral. Is that what that is? Yep. And that was the old dragon shean lateral. So that's been piped for

it's been piped for 35 years and covered up. So there is no way that water can even get into that canal. Okay. Any other questions or concerns? Uh the only other question did they run it on that which one's running north south? Cottonwood Creek. Mhm. Yes. That would be this. That's I mean I see it. I just don't see that they have Yeah. Oh, that would be Cottonwood Creek. This would be Drag Goch Creek and then the Hancock Cove lateral which the Drago Creek would be the major and Cottonwood Creek would be the two major Yeah.

lines and everybody everything feeds into those.

I mean, I'm I'm okay with it. Honestly, it's better than what's been out there before. It's been the FEMA stuff's been very vague in areas like this before and it's probably been somewhat of a burden on people who want to build close to anything that somebody possibly considers a flood plane before. And so this will at least be something that's more defined.

Motion to approve. I'd make that motion. Second. I'll second. All in favor? I I red you and I. You can make an altered motion too if you think about it. I vote no. It still passes. So, I'm going to vote no.

Okay. Thank you. Planning and zoning division manager report. I'm assuming that's still you. Yes, I'll just stay up here short and sweet tonight in light of time. Um, just wanted feedback. Uh, Keith, I believe you and Dale made it to the um, third annual planning zoning training in Burma. Do you have anything to report on that? Any highlights that you might have got from that meeting?

Um, They went over a lot of the stuff that we went over in this meeting pertaining to open meeting laws. So that was the main emphasis that they had over there. Primarily it was a rehash of what we had already talked about. They did uh talk about a couple of other things but it was all around mostly they were concerned you know wanted us to know got to be really careful when it comes to talking about things amongst ourselves without being in a meeting like this. Very good. And it's been a worthwhile training in the past. Um, I believe it's going to be an annual ongoing thing. So, we'll try to correlate our schedule so it doesn't fall on our our night that we meet. So, we can all attend that and it does satisfy your yearly required training hours. So, and if you weren't able to attend, we'll get you some links that you can make up some of those hours and we'll do trainings in these meetings as well to help with that. last month's training will will help for that OPMA. And uh yeah, if you have any questions though, reach out. But that's pretty much all I have tonight, unless you have any questions for me.

Motion to adjurnn. I move.