City Council - Regular Meeting

from grades 9 to 12. In order for students to stay on the council, they must maintain a 2.5 GPA with no s just to make sure we have um a good group of kids that are very on top of their education. It's going to be an open application process with just one term length. I wanted to start the terms around January because there is a um local leadership the up in the city to meet the with the legislator and that's around the 21st. So I wanted it to be like an opening um [snorts] activity for this council so they can get excited for it for the year coming. Um the mayor will be elected by popular vote among the council themselves and the mayor prompor will go through an interview with um the current city rep over new city council just to kind of keep them uh the mayor in check. They'll be the backup as well.

Hunter. Yes. Sorry to interrupt the city rep. Would that be a city of councilman or is that Mr. Bake or um so we talked about um For right now, we were going to do Barack um as a city rep maybe. Okay. And it's it could be a council member. It's just whatever you guys think and decide. Thank you. And the election would be among city like peers at the high school or who the election take place with um for the mayor. Yeah, for the mayor. I was thinking it would just be among the um people on the council.

The council members. Yes. So, who who appoints the council members? So, um as of right now, we'll do the they'll all apply and then me and Brock will look over all the applications just to get our first group of kids and then we can build from there. We were just thinking applications. Um we're going to put it on the Roosevelt city page under jobs and just let them [clears throat] do it that way. I think I would involve in that because not because I am the mayor because I'm only going to be the mayor for four more weeks, but I think it would be a good idea to have the mayor involved in that process and [snorts] form that committee similar to the or council similar to the other committees. So, you and Brock uh and the mayor probably go through those and then present those to the C council um for ratification and then amongst yourselves you can elect your mayor and mayor promp and things like that. Does that sound like a reasonable

Yeah, I like that. That's a good one. Okay. All right. And then we would probably have councilman assigned to work with that group but not necessarily to take the spot of Brock or anybody else but just to interact with that group and and be leaison for that group as well. Yes. I in my things I wanted to actually have a guest speaker come in every once in a while to one of our meetings.

Um all right so these are the different executive boards and their responsibilities. So, first off, we got the mayor. Um, he'll run the meetings, be the main voice for the youth, and he will help with the execution of all the activities. And I was thinking he must be an upper classman in high school just so they have more they can drive and stuff and more accessible. Uh, the mayor pro 104 is going to help in the execution of activities as well and he will replace the mayor in the mayor's absence. Um he will also be responsible with agenda along with the mayor responsibil he's responsible for keeping track of the budget as well and he also must be in uh 11th or 12th. Then our historian is going to be in charge of documenting all the meetings and activities along with keeping everybody in the youth uh city council aware of the projects that we have coming. Um, they will also take attendance at every meeting and activities, make sure everybody's there. Another thing is I want uh Vernal, their city council, they have a social media and they post on there their activities and stuff. So, I was going to have his story and be over that as well. And then we have our service committee chair. So, he's going to be the main voice for our service committee. And he's going to be leading the decision and execution of all of our service projects. And um lastly is our activities committee chair and they will also be leading the execution of community activities. And to kind of keep the uh youth city council involved with the city council we have here. I wanted at least two members of the executive board to attend um one city council meeting per month. And so at least two of these guys have to be there per month. Um, we talked about letting just the committee

members come every once in a while just to fill in and get the experience, but we will only we talked attendance is going to be at least 50% um for most of our stuff and um they have to show up to 25% of the city council meetings and because we wanted to keep it kind of lenient. We have sports and all that so attendance is going to be a little more lenient. How often will you meet? So, we wanted to do um uh basically the day after uh city council meets. Okay. So, twice a month and it's just going to be on Wednesdays.

And how many total members would you have? So, you have the executive committee and then do you have a number of

So, we have 13 in total. Um so for the committees there's going to be four members of the one chair and then so that's um 10 with just the committees and then we have the three other positions as well. Perfect. All right. So the meetings like this says are going to be held uh two times a month and on the Wednesdays. The mayor is going to decide the agenda for the meetings and all members must attend 50% of the meetings. And I was thinking possibly we can have them prepare like one mock [snorts] bill per month just as like a practice. Keep them give them something to work on. So the service committee they are going to plan service projects. They're responsible for the execution of the service projects including deciding the cost is going to uh require researching the projects and finding the supplies needed. The mayor and all the executive board will also help with this. So, I actually got in contact with um an official in Spanish Fork and um thought of some other ideas as well. So, I kind of mentioned one guest speaker. They have one guest speaker come in per month and do like a little presentation for the city council. Um some examples of these uh guest speakers are department heads and uh people from the county. And then it also says on here at least one mock bill. Um so other city councils had for their service projects. Um South Salt Lake helped distribute the stuff for Santa gifts as one of theirs and Highland City has had an Arbor Day tree planting service project along with senior citizens appreciation. Those are just two examples of how those work. Um and then the activities committee. So they plan community gettogethers and activities to keep the youth entertained and they are responsible for the execution of the activities including

deciding the cost, possible fundraisers for these if it gets a little too expensive, uh maybe even sponsors and finding the spots needed for those as well. Some examples of activities others um city councils have done is South South Salt Lake did a Halloween party at the park with pumpkin carving, kids activities, and music. So, it was just like a fun little thing for the kids in the community to have. And then, uh, Cottonwood Heights put on a Thanksgiving 5K for the community. Awesome. All right. And these are just a rough estimate I put for the cost. So, each committee is going to get $250 per month. And then we have the discretionary for extras if they need a little bit more money for a service project, activity project, or if we have a little bit extra from the month prior, we can do snacks at the meeting or some other stuff like that. That just totals to about $800 per month just in the committees alone. And we were wanting to do t-shirts, polos, and research uh when I was looking it up was about $250 to 300 for those. And then um for our annual cost it would be around 9,800 and I talked with Mr. Bake and we do have enough money set aside for um until the next fiscal year for this. So the cost should be covered for now and then we talked about maybe taking the trip to the state legislature this year with it um coming up really close. We weren't sure if we were going to make it or not. And um for that [snorts] I tally up the cost and for the total cost to take the 13 people and possibly a couple adults it would be about um $1,500 to go out there. That's food, transportation, um and all that.

Is that just during the day, right? No, wouldn't be an overnight stay. It just be that day. We would have to go there and back cuz um I think it stops at lunch. So we would be able to make it back in one day. [clears throat] We just have to leave kind of early. And then lastly, is there any more questions? Have you uh presented this to the school? I have not yet. I wanted to get it approved first and then I was going to make some advertisements around the school and put it up in certain classrooms.

I'm just wondering if the you're talking about transportation. Uh if it's school related, they can cover the busing cost potentially, which could save some money. Um if and I know the school does have some mileage available potentially. Um so I think it would be good if we could, you know, if we're doing this to work with the high school. I think in terms of some of the [snorts] maybe budgetary things that we could work out. I'm not saying we can't afford it, but I think that, you know, being that it's it's under the city council, but it's also under Union High School, we want to make sure, you know, that we use some of their resources as well. Mhm. Um I'm the junior class president right now too, so I am on the student council. I could go um have a chat with the principles and all and talk about it with them and see what they think. [snorts] Great.

Any other questions from the council? I as you were presenting I had several thoughts. So we have a couple committees. You know, you you mentioned an activities committee. You you mentioned uh what was the other? service committee. So, we have, you know, councilmen that are assigned to city beautifification, councilmen that are assigned to our parks and committee. And it would be cool to plug in some of those committee members into some of those organizations um as you could just to be participants and get ideas on what's already happening throughout the community and how uh you know the

and how the youth council can serve and help in those areas. Yeah. And not only the youth council, but just the school I was going to say college students, but that's not accurate. The high school students can um participate in a lot of those, too. Yeah. And and also give ideas and and have some influence on some of the activities that are being provided in our community that would relate more to people your age. So, there's some cool things that

I can just um I'll probably get the contact information for both of those. I already have Edwin's number and I don't know um wasn't it Edwin and Aaron that were over? So, what we would do is give you probably the numbers uh in contact information to the council uh people that are assigned to those different organizations that you and they could help direct that as far as give you information of when those meetings are being held and and if you wanted some of your council to be there that those responsibilities would overlap that would be a good [snorts]

I think a good uh so any other thoughts I think it's a great idea.

Yeah, I' I've been wanting this for about three years. Been trying to get someone at high school to want to jump [snorts] on it. So, I appreciate your willingness to to get going. [clears throat] I've talked to Mr. Bake for quite a while about this and I think it's it would be great for our community to have [clears throat] um students be involved a little bit more and learn about, you know, city government and those things. I think it's great for them to be a part of some of the service projects, help to coordinate those and be involved as well as the uh, you know, some of the activities. So, I I think it's a great [clears throat] uh plan. I just would like the I think it to me it's important that Union High School be I think involved in the process since you're I assume a lot of the students could be in student government already. So cuz you have a student government class, right? So you would probably coordinate through that class, but I think it would be good to present to the to the principles uh to your advisor and and even with the students and um you know see what we can do [clears throat] going forward that way. thoughts. So, we do have um I'm assuming that with the numbers pro provided and a few of the other you know the structure and other information that you've given um would probably warrant a motion if we wanted to move forward with that type of a an obligation from the city standpoint as far as monetary and then obviously I think everybody's in support of the formation of the committee. I would like to see, like I said, the mayor involved with that just so there's interaction and a few of the council that um not to take charge of those meetings or

anything, but just to be um what you call a resource for you more than anything. So So would this be done by resolution like [snorts] at some point resolution together or is this something that just How would this work, Grant? Would we need a resolution from the city standpoint or we just approve the budget and then let them you can just approve the budget and then let them form the you can there's nothing wrong with doing a resolution if that's the way you want to do it. one year.

I the qu I guess the biggest thing is whether it's going to be a Roosevelt city sanctioned um committee or whether it's going to be a selfformed and sanctioned committee that we just give donate money to each year, right? Because if it's a sanction by Roosevelt City, the resolution might be better if we get a resolution or it doesn't matter. It it really doesn't matter. You can make it work either way.

My recommendation would be to make a motion tonight to approve moving forward so we can go to the school say the council's given us an approval through a motion to organize the committee or organize the youth council. Then once we get the input from the school, we'll have a forming document to get it finalized, get a resolution then because then it kind of formalizes it for ceremonial stake and then the city c the youth city council will be formed by resolution that Roosevelt city and Union High School have the backing and have the support. Okay. So it makes it more have the kids present.

Exactly. Yeah. We'll have the kids present that and it will all be led by the youth. So tonight, the recommendation is [snorts] that you approve it tonight, move forward in the budget, and that allow Hunter, myself, and Brock to go get the school, get them involved, get down the path. We We don't We wouldn't need to reopen our budget, would we? Not this fiscal year. Not for this this only if we are able to pull off going to local officials at the legislature in [snorts] late July, late January. Okay, that's kind of a up in the air, but if we are, we do have money allocated that we could use without adding additional funds. We just have to move money.

So, but but in terms if if if I said I'd move a motion to approve up to 10,000 to for the city council from the city and to move forward or would would you rather the motion not have any money? Right now, I we have 5,000 allocated this year. So, it worked for the last half of the year. So, [snorts] okay. Yeah. So if the motion could include the 5,000 for this year, then we don't need to amend it by Okay, that that's what I I would wonder. And are we is it just for Roosevelt residents or are we doing

that was a question that I was Did you get the same question? I asked the question, Tommy, since you [clears throat] uh No, my my question was, is it for Union High School students? Any Union High School student? Is there a stipulation where they need to be in Roosevelt city limits? I so I kind of wanted to I know Uenta does um up in Verl they do the two the what's the other part of town called Mer.

Yes. Both of them are together in one city council. So I kind of want to keep it open if like say some Altoont students or like maybe some other smaller like [snorts] areas that they wanted to come but I was I wasn't really sure on that one.

Yeah. My I saw the question and my response to that was we do have committees that allow um participation from yeah from non-residents and so I think this would be one of those that you know I just think it's a great thing for people to be involved and the benefit I see to the city of having something like this is as we're planning activities we're doing service projects and cleanups and everything else then we have now another group that we can bring to the table to get ideas to that would participate and help carry out those activities. And so I feel like it is a benefit to Roosevelt City. Even if it's outside [snorts] residents, it's still a benefit to Roosevelt City.

13 [cough and snorts] is Yeah. 51% it can be seven out of 13. [snorts] Yeah.

Yeah. So, and that to me that comes down to how it's structured, too. If it's just an organization that we're donating to and we're kind of assisting in in facilitating, then we don't have as much say. If it's something that's sanctioned by Roosevelt City, then we get to write in whether it's a resolution or whatever [snorts] what we would like to see with that. I think the activities are here in Roosevelt and they're, you know, prepared with the citizens of Roosevelt in mind and people are willing to put time and energy into that. You know, they come to Roosevelt often. I think I think it's probably I wouldn't even put a number [snorts] probably myself quickly seven out of [snorts] 13 12 13

but it's but I'd be good with either way. And and now you now you're getting to to see. So we could have up to three motions on the floor. So if somebody wants to make a motion, didn't [snorts] she make a motion already?

No, I just started just was getting numbers. But I would move that we uh go forward and support the city council and have Mr. Bake and um Brock, Mr. Arnold work with Hunter and the school district or Union High School to to facilitate getting this started. And I would move we approve the the the money that's been earmarked, the 5,000 for this to get it started. I think it's it's great. I agree with the mayor. I think the more uh having leverage of another group to help with some of the programs, activities, things that we want to do in the city, I think is is awesome and we have a lot of great things going on. So I think it's great. So that would be my motion.

Okay, we have a motion on the floor. any discussion or substitute motions? And I personally didn't distinguish the percentages. I think for now I'm not going to worry about it. We can [snorts] if that's something down the road we need to do. I think we worry about it if it becomes a problem or something. But I don't have any strong opinions otherwise I' I'd make a motion. Okay. Is that a second or Yeah. No, I'll second that. Okay. Any other thoughts or discussions? Okay, we'll entertain that motion. We do have a second to that motion. We'll go ahead and vote. All in favor? I. Are there any opposed? Okay, motion is unanimous. Good job, Hunter.

Thanks, Hunter. Thank you.

All right, next item are the suit water agreements. And these are some of the agreements that we've had before the council on various occasions. We have approved the uh context of these agreements in communication and negotiation with CW Montwell. They wanted to see three separate agreements. So we've seen these before in two agreements. And so we wanted to try to separate those out and uh give them three separate agreements. And so this uh is what Grant has come up with so far. Just to give you a timeline, um once we talk about these, if we approve to go ahead and proceed with these agreements [snorts] tonight, we'll give those to CF Montwell in anticipation that we get feedback in between now and December 16th. And then at the December 16th meeting where we could have a final approval from council and then the fair the following day they would entertain those in their um district meeting and then this could be pretty much a done deal and move forward with these. So Grant I'll turn the time to you.

Okay. So uh after I had drafted these u we had some further discussions and uh I think I had misunderstood what was intended on the water exchange agreement. Uh I thought we were simply going to extend the 2015 agreement. Uh but I guess JR has already kind of set the stage for a new agreement and [snorts]

uh all of the old agreements go away. We would use the Ballard surplus water agreement as a template. There would be a few changes that we would make um because with Ballard it's not a reciprocal agreement with Cedarview Montwell. We're envisioning that it would be where either side can sell water to the other. It would be at the exact same price. Um, as we were going through the Ballard agreement, we noticed another thing that would need to be changed is that it's possible that some infrastructure would need to be modified, but we don't know exactly where or when that would happen. So, I'd add a provision uh saying that that parties would act in good faith to modify infrastructure as needed. um the requesting party would bear the cost cuz the using if we were buying water for them, what we expect would happen is we needed to turn out somewhere on their line to facilitate whatever we were doing. We would bear the cost of uh installing the infrastructure. if it was on their line, they would [clears throat] assume ownership of the uh modifications once it was finished and would also assume maintenance of that line, which is the exact same way that we did it with Ballard when we were setting up the connection for them. They paid for the modifications and additions. Uh we assumed ownership and we now maintain it.

And Grant to that, it's the same way we've done it with City of Remont well as well. So they paid for infrastructure to divert water into their lines from Roosevelt City and then that they paid for the infrastructure but that became ownership of Roosevelt City and we maintain it. So and it would be reciprocal. I used an example of if we were wanting to add a connection on their line it would work the exact same way if they were wanting to do it off of one of our lines. um we had taken out anything about [snorts] um limiting the flows that was part of the 2015 agreement and as we've thought about it a little bit more um we thought that that might need to be there to help protect our lines. We've had at least one incident where I'm told the water hammer was the cause of our line failure. Uh because a valve what would have been opened too fast, right?

Closed too fast. That was closed too fast. Um but so by limiting the maximum flow, we can uh also limit the danger that we're exposed to that happening again.

And we're thinking the flow rate was 300 gallons a minute in the 2015. We're thinking about carrying that language forward to this new agreement and basically getting rid of the 2015 agreement, just creating a new agreement that would basically be a water exchange between the two. One of the questions that I have though is if we limit them to 300 gallons a minute, if we were ever to purchase water from them, uh would 300 gallons a minute be sufficient for us if it's reciprocal type? It's really not much. Yeah, it's really not much to be honest with you. I don't foresee it happening, but

yeah, I don't foresee it happening, but we we want to make sure that whatever we propose to them, they view it as fair on both sides. So that when as Grant and I talked, we didn't want to if we threw that provisioning in, we didn't want to limit ourselves to a certain amount of water unless we're comfortable with that. If we ever had to draw water, [clears throat] can you base it off water users? I mean, we have a lot more connection to water users that we're needing to supply water.

Yeah. Is there a way? The other question is, is there a way to write in the provision that we don't necessarily have a cap, but we have the right to determine what [clears throat] the flow would be. under the circumstances. Does that make sense? So, if we need 1,800 gallons a minute flowing to our residence, then we only have 2100 [clears throat] gallons a minute capacity in the pipeline, then therefore we only have 300 extra that we could actually divert water to. that may fluctuate and change based on circumstances, but I don't want to get too complicated, but I just want to make sure that we're protecting ourselves as well as giving ourselves the same opportunity to receive uh water at a necessary rate for our residents.

JR, one thing that I see might be affecting how much water how much water could they spare from their line. we probably have more that we could spare to them than the opposite. So I I don't know that [clears throat] you can look at it that way because there's probably a a limit that like we can't give you that much. Yeah, that's true.

And it's already it's built in well it's referenced in the agreements. It's part of state law, the constitutional provisions that we have to take care of our residents and users first and they have the exact same requirement. And so um there are already sites back to the state constitution saying that both sides will take care of their users first and anything that's made available is just the surplus above and beyond their needs. And there are provisions in here that if they can't provide anything at all, they can even cancel the contract [clears throat] even if we're um well either side is purchasing from the other. So probably the more likely scenario in this would be if there was growth in Roosevelt City, suddenly we don't have any surplus water available to them, then we can cancel this agreement. And maybe that's the provision we fall back on is if they ask for 1,800 gallons of men to say simply, "Sorry, we can't we can't give you that. We can give you three. We can give you 325."

But I think that might be adequate grant. So do you want to take out the flow restrictions all together or still leave for 300? Well, my biggest concern was that why did we have the flow restrictions in the first place? [snorts]

Yeah. In possession. Well, one of them was our infrastructure. For one, we only had a 300,000galon tank at the top of our system. [snorts] So, that's not much of a storage when Roosevelt city's pulling 1,800 gallons a minute, you know. So if we up the gallons per minute and we had a p power failure or one of the wells go down then 300,000 gallons just doesn't last very long. So that was the biggest reason.

So it wasn't it wasn't as much the fear of opening a a full open pipeline and then having that that that played into it as well. Um, obviously I mean we talked about having orphoses and and having it to a certain flow rate so we don't have any of these surprises of valves opening wide open and draining everything and then we hurry and shut them off and then it collapse lines. So, so quick question on that because there may be another way to address this. Um, first of all, [snorts] we do have a 2 million gallon tank now instead of 300. Well, we still have a 300

2.3 [clears throat] So we have capacity. The second thing is um did we have I don't know that we had anything in that agreement where they had to give a certain amount of time notice uh in we there wasn't you're referencing the 2015 agreement. Yeah.

Yeah. [snorts] No, there was nothing in there about that. And if if the concern is strictly on water hammer, there's probably other language that we could use. cuz I might need somebody like Jeff or somebody to help me. But, uh, when we're training our people, [clears throat] I'm sure that there's a rate of change or I don't even know what the terminology would be, but we could incorporate that into the agreement as well, but I'd have to get some help with the language because I don't know how they do it. Yeah. Even if you were to just state that they can't operate the valve on your system or whatever, right? You can't operate theirs.

That's what I was saying. 24 hours notice or, you know, any changes in flow rate or anything else would require a certain amount of a reasonable amount of time for us to to communicate and and inspect some of those things so that they're not just turning valves on and off or require an automated valve that only that like can't be changed, right? Like PRV they're sent to only open or close at a certain rate. Yeah. Right. So, you may have a valve that would affect our system that's their own. Yeah. And that's the one their valve but when they open it our water. Yeah. When it fills up their tank.

Yeah. So I would get I would just say language similar to that even if it's a notification 12 hour 24-hour notification or reasonable notification. I don't know. Yeah. I would be a little bit worried that the notification doesn't necessarily protect us because if they just say, "Okay, in 24 hours we're shutting it all the way off." It's still they can hammer it. Yeah. Yeah. And so I think if I were a control valve, is it just a a gate valve right now? Yeah.

Well, no, it's got a PRV on it, but it's there's no speed controls or on the PR beneath that. I don't want to be I mean you can bypass any of that stuff but I don't think limiting to a flow rate really solves that for you.

Well, it sounds like [clears throat] the the consensus is we need some kind of protection against water hammer. We've had a problem from before and I can um work on some kind of language that will probably deal more with the um the rate that we're adjusting at rather than flow or notice. Unless maybe I should ask Jeff and Ryan, is there something else we could focus on that would [snorts] just put the the rate control on it? we we could to have them upgrade that PRV. Um, one of the concerns that I have is say I'm just throwing out a scenario. Say that we're in a drought and we're at peak flows, right? And they request an additional 500 gallons a minute or something and we just can't.

So, as long as we're protected there. Yeah. Yeah. anything any uh situation where we have we need the water here, right?

That always trumps any agreement we have because the state constitution says it does. And and we reference those provisions, but they don't necessarily have to be agreed upon because the state legislature says it applies. We're just pointing out in the contract that that's the case. [snorts] And maybe it's as easy as as simple as um Cedar Cedar Vont well will operate any valves uh or infrastructure at a rate not to that would not exceed I don't know what it is and create damage. Yeah. Create damage to Roosevelt.

I think it could be that simple to fix that or something like that. I think it could be that simple. It wasn't easy to put in. Yeah. Would that satisfy some of those concerns? What are you thinking, Kirby? Yeah. No, I I think it would, but Ryan made a good point. The 300,000 gallon. We had a leak before a line break and it drained that in about 20 minutes. So, there's a lot of scenarios that could happen, but I agree. anything. It's just a delicate spot because it's we only have one line between our source, our main source in the city, one line. So,

right now though, and this is we we almost have to start thinking about our relationship a little differently with them. And the reason is is because once their line's done, they'll be using by and large, in my opinion, their own water,

pumping it up to their tank and letting their tank, you know, gravity feed the rest of their system. And so really having that provision of, you know, just operating it at a rate that would not cause damage to our system. And even with the notice though, they're going to they're going to have time because they have their own system to to give us time to to give them water. Does that make sense? What did we put in the Ballard contract? Did we give them a notice? I thought in that one that B that you had to turn it on like Ballard couldn't just go open it. Yeah, we had to in the notice in their defense too though on their side if they've got something emergency.

Yeah, I know. We've got to be leaning on our side, okay? 24 hours. That isn't always gonna work. They may need it off pretty soon. So, we've got to at least be understanding on that. And we can put um you know, normal but I don't know. I was thinking, you know, worst case scenario, 24 hours, but we can respond quicker obviously. I don't know. I think that's the way it is in the Ballard agree. I'm looking for it right now. But they make the request Jeff's right that we're the ones that turn it on. But I think that we [snorts] our thing is it's an operational thing, right? Like no matter what controls you put in place, somebody can still override those.

Yeah. It's really just somebody doesn't know how to operate. That's what we're concerned about. And I don't know how you get around that. Yeah. That's that's the hard thing. So that's where the notification comes in my point that we still need notify because [snorts] if something was to happen so we didn't touch the val we're going to be able to see that on our site something changed

and maybe it's we know if that happened so the time frame when they turned that val per [clears throat] se we know that's what caused if there was an issue. Yeah, reasonable notification before the valves turn off just so that we know I think you're right. Just so we know what's happening and and when they shut off on and off, right? And the beauty just to throw out a compliment. I mean, the tank that we put in up there, we haven't had it drained once, which is amazing. I mean, it's been in for [snorts] three.

I'm just No, I Yeah, I know. Knock on, but I'm just saying we fixed a huge problem. Yeah. Yeah, you did. Are we Are we getting the page stink online as well? And will that give us another What? Maintain our handle there.

Okay. So does that give you enough direction grant enough clarification that it would be would just operate it uh at a rate that would be safe for our system and that not reasonable notification would be given when the valve is being turned on and off. Is that fair? What if they get asked to do rack [clears throat] or some kind of huge event? Then we just simply say, "Sorry, we don't have capacity in our lines to accommodate that."

Do they need to tell us or ask us or um that's a good question. Do you want to restrict them wholesaling your water? Like you don't want them buying it from you and selling it to somebody else, right? What I would ask when they say, "Hey, we need to turn the valve on. How many gallons a minute do you need? We need x amount. Sorry, we don't have that much." I think we just have a conversation when they ask when they notify us to turn the valve on. That should be a standard question we ask is how many gallons a minute do you need? Sorry, we don't have capacity because that will vary with the time of year.

Yeah. Or if we do and we want to sell them that water. Okay. And who are they asking and who's deciding at that time is that the water operator which we can notify me but saw okay monitor do we want a provision in there for prohibiting uh them wholesaling the water and it would be reciprocal this whole agreement this part of the agreement is I would think because we would I don't think we had ever contact them and say, "Hey, we want you to give us your water so we can do a frack. We were asked in the past

by them." Yeah. So, that's the reason why I brought it up because it may well we know what a frack consists of. I mean, we honestly we just don't have the capacity to if we allowed them to do that and then we wanted to do a frack. I know what you guys have gone through to try to get 1,800 gallons a minute to a track and there's and we want to reserve that right for ourselves. So I would if you feel comfortable doing that I'd say that's throw it in [snorts] and that's not include the uh you know your strain on our infrastructure we could

because it it causes a lot there's certain lines we have [snorts] restricted going to bigger lines you know what I mean so depending on how much how fast they need it that would also affect our infrastructure could we simply put a provision that the water used on either end would not be supplied to anyone other than residential use. Residential use [clears throat] well and the current for us I don't think we would want that cuz residential is where people live commercial would be our stores and things like that and we the way our system is it's the same infrastructure going to B and so it's if we were buying from them it would be impossible to say where the water's going.

Yeah. But I I [snorts] can come up with language that says that it has to be um users. I don't know exactly how I would do it, but saying that it's existing businesses or businesses that are already on connections. I don't know exactly how I would state it, but we can come up with something that [snorts] that's kind excludes wholesale users. Yeah, that's kind of what was going through my mind. But then I couldn't that's why I said residential. But I can Yeah, I I'm thinking the same thing that you are, [clears throat] I think. And I can come up with something for that if you guys want that provision.

And if we did that, then that would exclude that. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. Next question that I have is in the 2015 agreement there are two delivery points mentioned. I'm not sure if we're still using both of those or if even [clears throat] either of them are right. Do we want more than one delivery point? I would think the current delivery points right. Well, we have the one at 3,000 and 4,000. Yep. And then Cedar View was going to be one, but now they're or the Char was going to be one, but we're eliminating that. Yeah. So now you're back down to two. But there are two.

Yeah. Have you looked at the ones in the 2015 agreement? I assume they're right. But yeah, that's the what mayor mentioned the Okay. One on the east side and one on the west side and it's the same intersection. Mhm. I didn't realize we had two at that same intersection. Well, no, we had one on the tank up Highway 12. 121. That's right. And then on the 4,000 north. Yeah. 30,000. 4,000 north.

Okay. And then I think that the last thing that they need some direction on is base rate. And we do have a base rate with Ballard. Uh [snorts] we had set it up because uh we're basically an emergency water source for them. Uh have they ever opened? Yeah, they have. They have. They have.

But we set up the base rate to make sure that there was some type of compensation that we would be getting regardless of whether they were using the water or not. Um, I don't think there's a danger of Cedar View not using the water, although it sounds like maybe if they're going to be able to get all they need from Victory Pipeline. So, the question is, do you want a base rate in this agreement or not? Um we've been trying to kind of standardize our water agreements, but the reality is that the um fashion scenarios are different with each of these other entities.

One of the points I made to Grant with the base rate, well for for Ballard, they can't reciprocate, you know, water to us uh in C. Well, there is a possibility that they can. And so, um, if we charge a base rate, then we would anticipate they would charge us a base rate back and then it's kind of a wash at that point. But currently, we're [snorts] the only ones that have infrastructure to deliver then water. Um, but if we ever need water from them and we're putting infrastructure, then they we would anticipate a base rate uh with that uh as well. So just some thoughts

and the base rate you're talking is like a like an annual fee basically just a month it's 200 a month to Ballard

and basically what that is is they put in the infrastructure to get the water but then we're maintaining the infrastructure and if they didn't use our fear was if they don't use the water but we're maintaining infrastructure that infrastructure is going to deteriorate over time whether they use it or not. And so if we have to replace valves or anything else, we don't want Roosevelt city residents to be on the hook if they're not using any water and we're not gaining any income that way. So is 2400 a year or 200 sounds reasonable. But for you might know [cough] it is a different scenario where there's reciprocity. I don't know.

Is that the correct word with them? And so we were thinking maybe it's a mute point

maybe maybe like you know if we have tie-in points and they have tying points maybe we do it per time point like that positive if we have they have more time points they pay us it you know washes out depending on I don't know I'm just my only concern and this is more of a political concern is that it might it might kill that bill a a little bit. So, I'm a little That's my only hesitation. Um, but I don't know it's worth Does that make sense? Or do you get or do you just specify you don't anticipate them not using water, but if they don't use water, then there will be a there'll be a monthly fee.

Yeah. As long as they're using it, all we're [snorts] getting is what for the water they use in the wheel. Should we put in the problem that that might bring up with the reciprocal agreement is we're not using water and so now we would be we start paying the base rate becomes a wash again. Yeah. Or do we just forget about that? Um even though it's not standard with we don't have that with Neil but we want to update Neil's contract too. Um, do we wash that where it's where it's reciprocal and not worry about that or

But you said at some point they are going to have their own water like when they get their infrastructure in. And then they will I anticipate they'll probably still use water from Roosevelt City. That's my anticipation. But and if they're doing that, they're paying for the water, right? Yeah. So, I I think I'm good with it being a wash and not worrying about it. As long as they're paying for the usage, I think that'll be easiest. One seems to be the cleanest with where we're at right now. I haven't come up with [clears throat] a way that I think is good for how to make the base work.

I think you keep it clean and and just anticipate the mayor said they're probably going to use the water. We're going to get the money for that and we'll just call it good down the road. But we can always re-evaluate that if there if something changes, right? You know, if they become if like if they become like Ballard is just an emergency where they have their own water, then we could look at something like that. Well, and to to that point, we anticipated Ballard has a source of water. So, we didn't anticipate selling them much water, but it sounds like we're selling them more water than we anticipate. I'm guessing it's going to be a similar thing with Cedar Vmont. Well,

I I don't think we need to worry about it and just keep it clean. Personally, can we have a contract for this? Um, yeah. 40 years. Yeah. And they had there's a there's been agreements in place actually since 2009, but the 2015 agreement is the one that is always referenced. Um, they was it for a bond? I don't remember exactly why they came to us. Was that bond or just selling C or

It was a bond and so they have to make payments based on the terms we give them. So I think 22 years is what's left on our contract. So they're making payments of [clears throat] this project over 22 years. So if we renew this contract and it's 40 years, then that will alleviate they'll extend the term of that. [snorts] Okay. And that's kind of how the request to readress this purchase agreement came up is that they were wanting an extension for those reasons. Okay.

So that's how we got to the 40-year term on this one. So, so is there um I'm just thinking out loud here, but if if they weren't using our line, is there a way to exit doing like an exit clause where you know if they haven't used their that tie in for five or so years that they pay to to remove that? And there's there's not anything in there like [snorts] that right now, but I can add that if you want. I don't know if that's reasonable. Well, I mean, if they don't use it, then we're holding infrastructure that if it if it breaks or something, then we got to repair it.

In my mind, I I don't dislike the idea of having something in there if they don't use that connection um in a certain amount of time, maybe three, four, five years, then a base rate would kick in to to help offset offset those. That that makes sense too for sure. What [clears throat] what time period? I would say what do you think? How long last? I mean [cough] [clears throat]

Yeah. So we require maintenance. They turn them on and off like every few months just to keep things good. What do you think a reasonable amount of time would be before we start charging a base rate? They don't use it, you know, if they haven't used the infrastructure in a certain amount of time, then I'd say at least a minimum of three years to five is good. I [snorts]

is 200 like we have in the ballot agreement. The amount we [snorts] want for the base rate or does that need to be adjusted? Would we have the same issue coming back at us though if we don't use it? That's what I'm trying to think through. That's all because we would never use Yeah.

Well, unless it was an emergency, we just wouldn't have a need to use water. But it's still great like Ryan made a comment when we met a little earlier to have that availability for when we're going to right now though my understanding of the system I need help from Ryan here that is in order for us to draw water from them we would need to make some infrastructure modifications right yeah some minor Yes. All in our lines or is any of it in theirs?

We [snorts] would have to re We'd have to repl part of their balls and tie it into ours.

So, we probably could say that the base rate applies once the infrastructure is capable of supplying water to the other party. And then that could be a way that we would not be on for a base rate right now. That that if they [snorts] abandoned use for three, five years, whatever it is, that they would get charged. But if that's the way that we did it, is there any argument that they would be incurring expenses on our behalf the way that we would be by maintaining whatever supplies water to them that's not being used?

Yeah. I don't know. I guess the question too is it's $2,400 a year that we're talking about and is is the is is the the relationship and then the availability to get water from them at some point. How much is that worth? Because really it's it's kind of a minimal amount. Meeting with Ballard City, it was a minimal amount. probably already paid me a year's base rate to think about it. [clears throat]

Yes, that's probably true. And that's what I'm getting at. It's probably not worth the the political backlash and then harming a relationship that we could actually benefit from in the [snorts] future may not be worth 2400 bucks a month.

Where with Ballard City, it was a complete You have nothing. Well, I'll just say it on the record. they have nothing to offer us as far as a benefit. They were only needing water from us and therefore we wanted to make sure we're protected. But in this instance, I do think that there is a mutual beneficial um relationship that happens here to stay in good um you know good graces with them and vice versa. So that at some point in time we need that [snorts] the door will be open for that. Can we have that written in there that if there's a need and in time it'd be revisited so you're not walking in because things may change but nobody knows when or where or how much.

Well the Yeah. Yeah. I don't know but I guess it's

I'm I'm still think it's e I would rather keep it clean and I and be good partners with them. I think it's easier for everybody and we're not talking a lot of money here. So, I don't think it's it it's worth worrying about at this time. I think down the road if things get out of hand, we have a escape clause of sorts, right? We can terminate and and do things if it gets really bad. I don't anticipate that and I agree with the mayor. I think I'd rather just have a good relations because there is potential possibly that we could need from them or like you said with Valor there wasn't ever. It was just we were helping them out and so it makes perfect sense. I just think it's a different relationship. So I would I would prefer to just keep it clean and not worry about it personally. I know maybe we're taking a little bit of of risk on the city, but I don't think it's it's a large amount and I think we'd be okay. Again, that's just my opinion.

Okay. Okay. So, we got a head nod from the staff. So for an escape clause, are we thinking if [snorts] um one side doesn't purchase any water from the other for 3 years that Okay. So if they don't purchase water from us for 3 years that then we can cancel the agreement. Is that what you're thinking? I I don't know. I don't think we bonds.

I don't think we would. Well, and the reason we would put it in would be to put pressure on them to renegotiate it. And so if they weren't uh using water for 3 years, we're incurring maintenance costs to keep it available. Then we would give notice and there would be notice provisions in there about how much notice we had to give. But then then we could give the base rate say hey we're can we want to cancel it because it's costing us this much a month to maintain it and you guys aren't buying anything and [clears throat] so it's just out of our pocket. Should we do five years and then will you check with Gail McCaffney and make sure that that provision would not

blow up there. I like the five years. I'd be I'd be good with that. I mean, what if we have a minimum of at least $5,000 worth of water? Because cuz they they could put like, you know, $100 worth of water through their line and call it Oh, we did we took water last year. You know, should we have a minimum? Yeah. Is there any way for us to estimate what the maintenance average maintenance cost is? Well, it depends on age. It's just hard. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's where I think it's we I think Mark Bark said it well when we look at it as a a potential benefit to Roosevelt City to have that source of water and have a reciprocal and I don't know normally I'm I'm like drawing lines in this not necessarily but you know very stuck on black and white and this one is not it it's a little more complicated because there's some intrinsic value there that you can't put a number on, I guess, is what I'm saying. And that's very hard to to do. Uh just because it it could be a potential benefit to us down the road that we don't want to close the door to. But we do want the new contract too because I think it it also eliminates some of the issues with the other, you know, other contract,

right? And it might grease the wheel on the other two things that we're also looking at too, which is well, one is not the purchase of the see um chargers. Okay. So based on what you just said, do we want to abandon the idea of an escape clause and just go with a no base rate or do you want me to [snorts] do some work on that?

I again I just don't think the cost is enough to warrant the only thing I was thinking escape clauses. Usually in contracts we have like if if there's an issue we can give notice and you have six months and then we can renegotiate. I thought that was a standard in a lot of the contracts we've done. For a lot of them it is, but that's not in this one.

Okay. Well, and that I just misunderstood that. I don't I don't know that we need one, but if we felt if the staff and others felt like or you know, the mayor felt like we needed some or council. I'm I'm not opposed to it. I would just like to give enough time so it doesn't feel like we're trying to catch them right away. Like we want to give them time. Um, I'm not as concerned about the the how much water runs through the line that they run because just [snorts] because I I think it might be difficult to to to measure that in in a way that makes sense. But if obviously we'd have to be able to charge them. So if you want to put it 5,000 or whatever, [clears throat] I don't care any escape clauses. I would just like to see what what how what that would do with their bond council.

Yeah, I can call you out. The other thing that I don't think it's a bad idea to say if you haven't used the facilities within a 5year period then there may be a base rate charged at the same rate we charge or any others.

I don't think that that's a total negative. I don't know that and I know then we start to split hairs and say well if they use 100 gallons then you know it's just that makes it hard but when we put so many pro provisions also in a contract um I'm just wondering but there may be I mean I think my my concern is that they turn on the valve once a year and just make sure that it's maintained that like because or or that we turn it on once a year. I don't.

So, let's just kind of charge up whatever water that we're going to use when we turn on that bottle. Turn it off just to kind of keep things healthy. I don't know. So I would say let's put a minimum in that like if you haven't used a minimum of x amount of waters in the last five years then [snorts] you know a base rate and I don't know what that is but they they may just say no and we already have a contract and we're it is only a 22-year contract but we're happy with that. fine. We're not have problems with the current one. And the reason we're addressing it is because they

Yeah, I don't have a problem with whatever the council decided. I'm not strongly opinionated on making sure we get a base rate with that. What are your thoughts on a base rate? What are my thoughts? I was afraid you'd ask me. [clears throat] I keep thinking we're overthinking this. You know, that infrastructure does it it lasts quite a few years. It doesn't just rot in five years, right? So, I don't know.

I don't want to persuade [clears throat] another, but Neiola, we haven't had a base rate with them and their meters been in for over 20 years. Things been going smooth there. And that's kind of where I'm at. The base rate is so minimal in my mind that in again we have value [snorts] reciprocal value in in a system that we could actually draw water from. But I'm not as concerned about that as I am just a person that's just draw no mutual benefit. That's another thing to look at too is their rate that we're charging them per thousand

is still more than what we're charging our residents. Yeah. Even though we're calling it a wholesale rate, they're still buying it for more than what we have to pay for in town. So, yeah,

just a thought. And let's talk about that real quick because that was one thing that we didn't bring up that probably needs to be. And that is our victory pipeline water right now is $138 um to us. And then we we were thinking of just having a dollar added on top of that. And that's kind of what we've done in the exchange forever and just rolling that into this agreement [snorts] where we still have a dollar a thousand coming in if they do use the water. Um so yeah, it is quite a bit. It's higher than what we charge our residents. It's what we charge Ballard or Yeah. Ballard city and they they're actually 250. Yeah. And and as well.

And the reason we went with the $138 plus the dollar is because if we buy water from them, then it's the same Victory Pipeline water and then we're paying them a dollar for running it through their infrastructure to get to us. And the rate is tied to the Victory Pipeline rate. So when that changes [snorts] um then I've got to figure out what the exact percentage is but roughly 72% will be added on to that which is currently a dollar but so uh the the rate is flexible the way that it's made and it's based on the vision pipeline range.

Yeah. So if the rate for example right now it's a dollar if it was to go up a$1.50 50 then then the rate would go up to a$18. So we the rate would go up 12 cents for victory pipeline water and 8 cents basically for the dollar. So we just follow the same trend. So, are we good on the the other issue with the fiveyear and the [snorts] I think the fiveyear is good to give them if they haven't used it. And I and I think they're more likely to use it than we are. We're just trying to keep good relations so an emergency if we needed some help that way we would have hopefully access.

What are your thoughts? Do we include the five years or is that still too far in the weeds? I'm just gonna say to me what we did with the wheeling fee and how much we battled over that which is such a small amount. I feel like we get into the five year we get into the base rate. It's going to turn into a back and forth long drawn out battle that over such a small amount.

And we don't currently have it in the contract now. So, like I said, I'm I I I'm still uh in favor of a clean. Let's just move on and and be good neighbors and and [snorts] hopefully they'll be good neighbors back in the future if something were to happen and then we don't have to worry about it's just a unique situation. I don't anticipate us needing them but there there is potential that down the road but could possibly one one other thing that I will say and this is um a thought that we have to keep in mind and that is with the purchase of the the pipeline in Charmeal acres um I know these are three separate contracts but they're looking at this they're not going to separate [snorts] feelings for each one, I guess. But one thing that they did do is they they did concede to allow us to have the 3000 West stuff, which they didn't want to do. And so, we've made inroads with that. So, we're gaining more um with that contract that I don't want again a smaller amount to affect us being able to clean up,

right? you know, other issues because there are some other issues we're dealing with in that area of water coming in and out of the system that that even though they're separate contracts, it's hard to keep emotions separate from one to the other. And so, um, they've they've already made some concessions um, and come our way on some things. And I think that,

you know, if we I wouldn't want to call it nickel and dime, but if we do get into that, it will affect. And then the the CW or the North Crescent, it's that one is pretty much cut and dry. That one's not a big deal. But those two are the the largest moving pieces that we have to consider. Let's move forward without that exact motion then without fiveyear clause exit clause. Okay. Um that's all I needed direction on for that one. So unless there's anything else in [snorts] that agreement you guys want to talk about, we can move on to another one. Did you need a motion on that part since they're separate?

I think so. Yeah. Dave just made the motion on that. Okay. Can you have enough directive? Yeah, I would suggest that the motion just be to approve it with the modifications that we've discussed and subject to legal counsel. So, I'll be reviewing it since I'm making [laughter] I'll second the motion [clears throat] with with grants or or attorney work, whatever you said. Review. Review. Thank you. We have a motion and a second. Do we have all in favor? I opposed. Awesome.

Okay. You want to talk about William G or Charle [snorts] next? Let's do Charmele. Both of them are pretty cut and dry. Those ones are going to move much much faster than this one. I believe. So either whichever one you have up. Can you go up to the top so I can see which one we're on? Let's see. Let me This is the Yeah, that's it.

Okay. So, I'll probably go down past the warehouses just to the second page. [snorts] Okay. So, um No, we don't need the duration in this one. Okay. So, I'm going to delete that paragraph that's number two right now because this is going to be a permanent change. [clears throat] So, we're changing the water service area to include um Charmeal Acres as it's described in exhibit A, which I don't have right now. Uh so, we're saying that we're going to attach a map. I don't know who is going to prepare the map, but I I don't think there is one ready yet. We've had the ones with handwritten changes, everything that we've used in the past, but I don't think it's ever been updated.

Can you bring up that area and I can point it out? I had a a map that was more the handwritten version, but would give us some good illustration. I know. So we don't [clears throat] need to do like a real estate purchase thing for this. This is just a contract purchase. Yeah, because it's just service area, not the landing, even so it's the it's the itus.

Who created this map? Here we go. No, it was a sunrise. Uh Jeff, was it sunrise? No, it wasn't sunrise. Steven [laughter] was Jeff. I'm pretty sure Jeff. So, do you want me to explain this? Yeah, if you want to. The point that I was needing to make is just that right now we're relying on an attachment to establish what area we're lying. And the attachment hasn't been created yet. and I'm needing help from somebody who can do the math.

So, this is the Charmeal Acres area. This is the tank that they have. Um, and this currently is in their service area. So, what they're willing to do is originally we were thinking to go clear up. This is 4,000 north and 3,000 west. And we were thinking to gain this property clear up to 4,000 north. They came back and said no. That's where the red marks come in. And then they also said, "We don't want to give this up either, and this is where Chapman subdivision is at on 3000 West." Well, we're the ones that supply the water to Chapman subdivision. So, what we came back to them and said, "So, all of these connection here will become Roosevelt Cities in Charmeal Acres, all these dots that you see." And we said, "Well, that's fine. You go ahead and take that up there because there's no connections there and we're not going to put any infrastructure in there, [snorts] but we want your line coming through here and we do want to include this and they've agreed to that. So all of this green hatched right here, including this will be a part of this. So it will it'll eliminate besides this point of diversion and that point of diversion all areas where water comes in could come in and out of their system because currently [clears throat] we have our water coming in to their infrastructure here and then but and we want this because this is what did we we're putting in that line right now right down this this road the water line or we going down that dirt dirt road.

No, we're not [snorts] going down the dirt road yet, but we are putting the new line into. But the potential is we can take this 12in line back and and even bypass the tank and still have the pressures we need to supply that whole area with [clears throat] or without the tank. We definitely plan on doing that. We want to make sure it's purchased first. Yeah. So that would also allow us to get uh hydraulic, you know, the hydraulic pressures we need on top of that hill. Correct. Where to be able to do this, we have to bring a line from 3000 West over or from the Yeah,

I think that would be the best for anyway. So, we're purchasing their infrastructure and the area. So, we'll we'll gain I can't even remember how many connections. 20. I think it was almost 20. Okay. And I did specify that it includes the Chapman subdivision and the [clears throat] area known as Charle, but we just got to get the map. Yeah. Um, is there any change or anything we need on that? Because we already agreed to this, right? Yeah, we did. and they and we we agreed on this and then we had to go negotiate, right?

And they agreed that they would give up that area. I think we have an agreement in place. Yeah. Mayor's happy with it because he's put a lot of time into it. So I just want to make sure the staff is happy with it. Absolutely.

Okay. So the um purchase price or the proposed purchase price is um 1,723,000. Uh there'll be there will be a credit to Roosevelt and I'm not a good one to describe or to explain what it's for, but of assuming a roughly $674,000 loan. We'll need uh for Zeke to verify the exact amount on the date that we um signed the agreement. And so there will be a slight adjustment there. But so the uh approximately the amount due from us to Cedar View for this area will be $934,000. And we have a million um in reserve that we got off a grant that would take for that [snorts] 934,000.

Yeah. And then we'll have to start making payments on that loan unless we do something to pay it off.

Yeah. Which is a low and so he's going to give the information, but it's a low interest loan. And right now I haven't specified when we're going to pay them, but that's something that we need to put in right there where the three asterisks are. And so I think that's the only thing I'm still needing from you guys. Uh unless there's changes that that you want. I wonder if we um payments should be because one ba basically the whole deal is contingent on the loan being approved through CIB.

So maybe within a a narrow time period of when the loan exchange would happen like narrow like 30 days or what you got in mind? Yeah, I think 30 days would be adequate. Are they anticipating they'll get the CIB? Well, um, so CIB's are they went to CIB for this project and they have a started out with a little over $700,000 loan and the question is will CIB transfer that loan to Roosevelt City. Okay.

And so that that transfer has to happen for this bill to make sense and and in theory and in verbal communication, they've already said yes, that's a possibility. But um there's several steps which are here that need to go through to make that happen. Okay. And so I would just say the payment would be made within a certain time frame of when CIB agrees to transfer loan to Roosevelt city. Okay.

And would we if we assume the loan are we plan to take monthly payments or we would pay it off since we have the money from the grant? Well, the grant it's where it's 1.7. We only have a million in grant and so we'd have to maintain the loan. Okay. Unless we want I was thinking of the the other grant, the 2.9 that we got 2.8. That's part of it. That's part of it, but that's going to the pipeline that we were just talking about. I just I was trying to keep track of all the It's a lot of moving parts, a lot going on. Yeah, I was just trying to remember. Okay.

Okay. So, I've made that change. It would be payment shall be made within 30 days of CIB approving Roosevelt's assumption of the loan made to district. [snorts] Okay. Okay. Unless you guys have anything else on this one. I just can't overemphasize that the map does not exist right now and somebody needs to Okay, we got a map. Can you send it to It needs a few updates, but it's not I can get it to you pretty quick. Okay. No, [laughter] like tomorrow. Yes. Okay.

Okay. So, unless you guys have anything else, um I think we're ready. Did you need any motion on this one or? Yeah, we will need a motion and just make it subject to council review. Review. So, I would move we go forward with this with the 30 days and the with council approval. Subject to legal subject to legal review. Thank you. I'll second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor? I.

Any opposed? Okay. Last but not least, well, it is the least and the last.

Okay. So, the weaving or the weaving and um J, you want to give back on this and you know more about than me how this came up and why they [snorts] this came up in the previous administration. So, this This came up before I even was mayor. There was a promise made. So, Sud Montwell owns some infrastructure in between the tank that I showed you, Charmeal Acres, and North Crescent. And so, we're actually drawing water through their pipeline to get water from North Crescent. And they there was some negotiations made, like I said, more than eight years ago about what was to take place. and they were under the assumption that they were going to get paid a wheeling fee for that and had never been paid and they wanted a dollar per thousand. Um, and we negotiated that down to 35 cents per thousand. The issue with this, the only caveat to this is they want a dollar per thousand up to the time we have the agreement in place and then it'll go to 35 cents after that, which is again one of those pinch points, but we decided is it worth fighting or is it worth just you know making some concessions and getting that done. So as of now, how many thousand thousand? So instead of 92,000, we're sitting at 100,000.

But it was how many gallons? 100,131,000.

Yeah. So that's that's where the med reading is at right now. So $100,000 is what we'd owe then. The sooner we get this agreement in place, the better because then our rate drops by two. [snorts] So, um, we just need approval from and this was actually tied and rolled into the Cedar View M, excuse me, the Charmeal Acres agreement. But, um, we they and we decided it would be better just to have this as a separate agreement that would be easily easy to follow instead of have it embedded in another agreement. Um there if we go up just a little bit, there are a few things that I just took out of this one. Um the duties water use right there. Number three take out. Um we've got this one 40 years as well. J didn't mean to interrupt. I love when I said that. Um, I left this one at 40 years just because that's what we had on the other one. Did you guys talk about a term for this one?

And I think that would be fine. Um, the question that Dave asked is if this has come before council before and it has. We actually approved this in the Charmeal Acres agreement, but now that we've separated it, we're bringing it to council as a separate agreement. And really what I so yeah that too but um I was curious like the previous administration that originally said that we would pay that much for a wheeling fee was that I was just curious not that it would make any difference but I was just curious if that was discussed in a council meeting or I don't know we just going by their word on that.

I either way I get that we got we got to do and I'm I'm fine paying a dollar for up till this agreement is in place. I just

so no it wasn't discussed that I know of it was not discussed in the council agreement it a council meeting it was [snorts] discussed by a previous administrator uh with them and some I think there was some uh let's just say conversation made that made them think that they were going to get paid for this but then no contract ever got formed and no payment was ever made and so they were quite frustrated that they felt like they were promised that something would happen and that they would be compensated for that and then never happened. Uh so again the dollar is what was set by anyone. My thought the best of what I can remember and heard is it like 50 cents or something like that. But they're because of the frustration, they're basically saying, "Well, we want a dollar. That's what we paid you. We want a dollar and then we'll allow it to go down to 35 cents after the agreement's in place."

So, it's one of those we just bite the bullet if we're going to, and then get that get a contract in place that we can actually get water through that. We don't have to worry about um litigation, future litigation for that. and we can service our customers in North Crest without a lot of concern and we know what the price is. So, sorry, I was just going to ask, do we know how much we've got from the end that they're paying a dollar per thousand for? A lot more than that. More than 100,000. Yeah. So

yeah, they all of their water basically through their system goes to ours and but that's what they were basing it on. So the argument was well the mileage we have between H or the Hayden Wells and where your turnout point is and the size of line compared to the size of line and the mileage we were going through your system. There's no way you can justify charging a dollar. If we really were to put the math to it, it would probably be less than even 35 cents. But I feel like 35 cents is a fair price and it's not going to affect us much in that area. We do have another agreement with Johnson Water where our lines are in their area. It's 50 cents a thousand. and [clears throat] I wasn't directly involved, but just from what you had told me and just point this out to the rest of the council is that the goodwill we gained in agreeing to this, I think really changed the tone of the negotiations in Charal Acres. And so some of the concessions they made there, I think are a direct result of us agreeing to this.

Yeah. And they feel like that we're finally honoring our word and making [clears throat] things right. There is a lot of trust that's been gained between the two. Yeah. Great. Okay. So, this one's pretty simple. Unless you have questions, I think we've covered everything that it covers. So, do we even need legal counsel or have you you've already done I review this one. Well, I just I move we go forward with with this agreement. Okay. Have a motion. I'll second. Have a second. All in favor? Any opposed? Motion passes.

I appreciate that in your motion on if you had said subject would have read it one more time. That's why I asked because I thought I don't think we need it on this one. If we did, I'd have put it in motion. Well, I'm leaving. So, if somebody wants to be the mayor, then they can. Do we have anything from the staff real quick before we just a reminder on the calendar events? winter celebration next week. Santa parade the 18th shop with the cop the 13th. Um I did have really quick I'd like to motion to approve the expenditures and financial either one through well of course we'll do that. I was just kind of setting up

I know getting and then I just had a question chief I saw chief come in I was just curious where we are on the shop with the cop I had a reminder or an alert come through Roosevelt city saying let's do this first on really quickly motion for the sorry I forgot to let that go expenditure approval so we had a second second by council white all right in favor I go okay I was just curious for the shop with the cough how much we have I I know I got an alert saying we needed donations. We have about $2,500 I believe and uh still looking for donations. Okay.

If anybody wants to give, we appreciate it. A week from Saturday on the 13th, the more money we have, the more kids we can help. All right. And I believe just the report on the trees, I I talked to uh incoming mayor as well as yourself, there was like 287,000. So very generous people in the community support. is the highest year it's been

25 trees and and so appreciate that. I just want to mention that and then thank the interfaith for the nativity the work on getting the nativity program. I thought that was good and got to see the mayor and the mayor elect give the prayer. So good job. That's all I had. I'm done. Thanks, Don. Any other committee reports from the council members? And anything else on your manager report? No, just that. Is there any questions? Anybody else want to say anything? I move we adjourn. We have a motion to adjourn. Second by council good. All in favor? I. very trying to