City Plan Commission and/or Board of Zoning Appeals - Regular Meeting

Is that speaker green down there? I can't tell. The light on top around that. Just flip it towards me. See the top speaker? That's the

one of them. Next one. Got two meetings. City Plan Commission Thursday at 6:30 p.m. SE Morris Mark Chapman Kurt Klein I'm here we have a quorum

make we wait for Yes.

Great. Well, we are proposing a subdivision for proposals count just south of here. I do have all the requests. Uh my name is Dave. I'm a chairman. We were the survey question you have about the site. Um

questions. What where is the actual access going to be? Right off of the highway. It is. Yes. Does that show that on the development plan? Yes, it's on. Okay, let me get to the next thing. Maybe this one. There we go.

Good. I'm glad that's going. I wondered if the road was going to be widened or something.

Yeah, especially with the curb. So, what are they calling that? I can't read that. Passing a passing bubbles. So she call that passing lane bubble bubble or passing blistering.

You guys probably don't have all of them. I didn't give you everything. Oh, we got enough. It's up here on the screen now. Looks like a passive blister. So that would be the norththeast. Yes.

Passing on the east side of the road. There's going to be 35 parking spots for this one, a detention area just south of the store and then there is that east san. Yeah, that was quite confusing. Yeah, I saw your your question come through about that. Yeah. I said to Scott, I said, "Yeah, there's nothing there. So, don't go out and look around in the in the field cuz you'll be out there all day." Sure. Cuz there's nothing there.

I will tell you that I reviewed it and the plat itself meets all our, you know, somebody do some reviewing for them to be out there. Yeah. Working the ground already. Well, they can do site work ahead of time. It's at their own risk.

And I I did go through the development plan. Natalie from our engineering firm reviewed the sewer and the detention area. Make sure that was adequate for the amount of um temporary service they were putting on. So that's all been reviewed and approved by Natalie.

When do you hope to open? Once they get going on the structure, it doesn't take too long. Four to six months. They go up pretty quick. Hope you can find somebody to man it. The one down there's never open hardly. Yeah, I think they have about two people that work there and they work 247. So if they're off, they're off. It's closed. No, they only ever have one that I see in there. I wouldn't work.

Would be unsafe for me thinking to work there on that. There's too many exits for people to leave if they come in and rob the store. Would scare me. Sorry. I'm just gonna say cash that's their saving gra.

So the acreage is 2.187. 215 by3 on the other side. 15 by three. Did you do parties? I'm sorry. I need to do interest parties. Okay. Margie's here on it.

Did you have anything to say, Margie? You're an adjoining owner. Yeah. Okay. I don't want to clean up. I don't blame you. There

she is. less sign. Yeah. So, if you look at I think that where it says point of beginning PO down under where it says southeast quarter. I think she is just to the south of that. She's that piece to the south. But I had to go back to the development plan to see I think well I can't see that little there. Okay. So you can see where the legion is.

She's the one with all the trees. So she's she's the one with all the legion. She's right here.

Yeah, I would just need to know the fence kind of requirements or codes that you guys have for the fence and I can pass it on. I can get you that. Anything else? Anything else you want us to know? No, I just want to heads up.

Noise reduction, trash reduction, corn yards, right? I don't know. I think it might be quiet at times. Although everybody's getting older at the le probably not that rowdy there anymore. Um now we notified by certified and not everybody returned. I think we had re-returned

but they didn't make any comments. So, we had four return with no comment and then three that either didn't pick them up or decided they had no issues. They just refused. Well, we don't know because it takes a long It takes the mail a lot longer than it does for the time for me to send the certified out. So it's like usually 14 days before the meeting I send it. So they do their first notice, then they'll do their second and then by the time that then is mailed to me, it'll come probably after the meeting

is over, but they got notified. It was sent out proof they noticed.

I make a motion we allow a varian Marian's minor subdivision 2026-13. All in favor?

Actually, I don't Is that a request or is it past requiring past requiring

in there? I got to go. You brought the plats, didn't you? So, I got to go get my stamp. I was just dreaming. my finger.

Help me.

We chang myself. You don't have

to sign her name.

What's today? The 16th. Yes. Okay, you want to come over? I guess I can see your hand.

Well, so you have to take all these traffic signs. Do they need it? They do. They do. Okay. And then they never give me my coffee back. You're saying right below yourself.

I got to mail them to you. Yes. Great. Yeah.

And then other paper with the restriction on it. Oh, yeah. Isn't it? I get you.

Go ahead. They didn't have a petitioner line like the other other ones do. I don't know. Maybe they're just copies.

Yeah. and then

you can

you want me to go get the other thing that's a cramp? Yeah, if you got well Oh, I guess you know there I guess. Yeah, I can get it in there.

Better sign, but they don't leave you enough room. Notoriizing, right? Yeah, I'd be notoriizing theirs, right? I don't think so. Unless it's for the owner. I don't know if it's the owner or not.

Yeah. Will that work doing it that way, Dustin? Or should we just hold it here and have Heidi do it tomorrow? I left my parents there. I'm nottoriizing that would be noting. You're noting my signature. Okay. Right. Or or is that for the owner? It's for the owner. Okay. We don't ever have a notary in Right. I think that I think that would be recall. It's been a minute. Yeah. because it doesn't you have a person up here but it

hopefully it's one that works. Probably not. It does. Shocking at best.

We're giving approval on this. They're accepting dedication registration. It could be the owner, but who was the owner of that property? Um, Jenny Roser's brother. Oh, so his son has

Would you want me to look at another plan to see I don't I know I've done it before an administrative plat and we didn't have it notori like I think that would be the owner. I just want to walk away something less but I mean if need be notoriize right bring it back for whatever reason right sounds good yeah she knows her signature won't be an issue probably end up mailing everything to the owner and then they can bring it back

sounds good sounds good okay thank you all we Next on the agenda is vacation 2026-14 Bag or whatever.

Yeah, we're looking to build a garage with a lower level. We call it a basement. Uh so it creates a walk out situation because we have a pretty goodiz bill on oursific. So we just give a recommendation

the height of the building.

So Brian, you're talking about the vacate to the this board. It'll be the next board that you do the variance for.

Yeah. And yeah, we've got a house here. building a garage.

No, that that portion's vacated. I don't know why they didn't show that on here. I thought you got the portion between lots. Well, there's no lot to not. No. Yeah. Lot four. Bot four, five, and then just just continue just where that breezeway kind of goes over that. That's where it's vacated. It's not vacated with I don't know who owns the section the place on the other side of Lays now. So,

and it's not vacated behind rangs and whoever the next people are

cuz Matt Rang owns two lots. He owns lot two and lot one. Okay. So, though it's not vacated behind his place or Larson's which is on the opposite side of place. So, I'm not really sure how that got vacated right in the middle of the whole thing, but probably nobody knew it was there. It only shows up on shows up when somebody wants to go on certain maps. I think these findings actually would be the council's findings because there's one that would approve a denominator. We just give this Well, you want to do it now or you want to wait?

I can, but if I say all the better things for the I don't think correct.

This is statuto. So I guess for purpose of a vacation, there's certain things you're you're supposed to look at statutoily. So whether or not the vacating the vacated alley, whether vacation would would or would not hinder the growth or orderly development of the unit or neighbor in which it's located or which is contiguous to Um, so whether or not vacation would or would not make access to lands of the agreed person by means of public way difficult or inconvenient. So that would be somebody that would object or remmonstrate to the vacation. Vacation would or would not hinder the public's access to a church, school, or other public building or place. Uh whether or not the vacation would or would not hinder the use of the public way by the neighborhood in which it is located to which or to which it is contiguous. So, a lot of times like where you see these platted ways like in towns where I think we've seen them before. I think Millers vacated one, didn't they? They did an expansion over there. But they're usually platted when their towns are originally laid out and there's road alleys. Sometimes they never get made. They're just grass and no one really knows they're there until lo and behold you realize they when you do a survey. So the idea is whether it's cutting off someone else's access to something or access to a church, school, public building otherwise or whether it would hinder growth. So if you take that road away then it never gets developed. But if it hasn't been developed by now,

will it ever looks like this one I think's already been vacated further down. So it really kind of So those are the things you're looking at is whether vacating this would cause any of these issues. So this part of the meeting is just to vacate. Yes. And so you as the plan commission are making a recommendation to the town council either favorable, unfavorable, or no recommendation to their description. It'll go to the council on May 11th at their next meeting for final approval.

There any interested parties here that wish to be heard on vacation 2026-14 and all adjoining owners were notified by certified. Let's see. We had there's five adjoining owners and three returned public.

So you just need a recommendation. Yeah, we just the plan comm plan commission needs to make a recommendation. Favorable, unfavorable, or no recommendation that would go on to the town council. I make a favorable recommendation to the town council. All in favor? I just some signatures there.

So, does you understand that, Brian? The next meeting for the council will be May 11th at 6:30. That's when the final decision will be made. Okay. Yeah, we can come back in May. I just looking at the agenda for today. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, we have to do it and then we make the recommendation because we're the plan commission. We plan the the town and then the final hearing is May 11 in front of the town council. statuto for the vacation.

So once we switch meetings, you're up again for the varian. So don't renovate. We have nothing under old business. We need approvement address 652 street.

I make recommendation we approve the address. All in favor on May 14th. I make motion we But I was wondering what kind of hard to walk away from the game. When I left, we were up 13 to zero and went to uh it went into the fourth inning.

I'm thinking you're going to win that one. Yes. district.

You have to believe All right. Ready? Thank

go to vote order Thursday, April 16th, 2026. Kelly Morris, Mark Tapman, Garrett, Christine Co, and Tom Clifton. We have a quorum.

I have 2026-1 vacated. We would like to build a garage. in that in that space. And the one illustration of a lot dives off about 12. We build the garage so that at the back of the garage we could go down steps and come out on ground level at the house. We We improve our access to the property and we this planet I believe and the height of the roof is 5 foot higher than the 16 foot that is I guess the the current standard that would allow the extra height allows for storage in the attic. their positioning of the of the garage, which we're asking to get within three foot of the corner, which would be the southwest where it angles out there. That would allow more room

right there. Can you show us where that is? Well, located like right here. All right. It's on this side. Yeah, I think I have the thing upside down. Yeah, I was looking at it backward. So this is the roadside back here, right?

So this is where we would be within three foot right back here where it hangs out in order to scoot it over to avoid well. So, your garage is going to be road level.

Yes. There's an illustration to show here.

It's upside down. Sorry, it's right side up on the

pictures. I have more hair. Yeah, it's dry. water. Yes, we would like to have a sink and a toilet out there.

That's not attached to the house, you're saying? No, it's not. No, the house is way down here. Very close. Uhhuh. So Brian, that is something I needed to know when you came in to get the variance because we don't allow restrooms in a garage without a variance. Okay. Yeah. They're too easily turned into rentals. Let me

Yeah. So you can come back and ask for it. It's just I did not. You can come back. Well, that's up to you if you want to proceed with as is now table it and come back and by then you will have your answer from the town council on May 11th and this meeting's on April 8th. Okay. I mean that's up to you. It's going to have to be revered. It's going to have to be reverted. I was looking for revertising.

Yeah, I I don't know that it's that important. It was actually suggested by the And if you wanted wanted to have the the bathroom and everything, you could always come back for that separate variance. At least get this part approved and come back later. When did you want to proceed? Uh, I want to proceed with the building and then I'll come back. If I do the bathroom, I will ask for, you know, permission to live. Okay.

So, are you finished making your presentation or did you still want to present yours? Yeah.

You're not that close to that. That is a shadow. Correct. Yeah, that's like here. That is the ridge of his garage right there. Yes, I'm talking. It looks like you're right up against It's actually It's a shadow. It's a shadow. It's It's 135 to the property line from his garage over the property line. Then we're another

we're another shadow on that picture. Yeah. Yeah. Is that the turn around driveway, right? I mean you guys can go home. Yeah. But technically I mean

the right side there, the left is mine. But the reason why I wanted to nudge it, the wells and the room in between, there isn't anything that's nothing but a ravine over there on the west side. If you move that back on that so that you're not on the west side

the basement part the quote unquote basement would not would not reach the ground level. It would have to get it would have to get deeper in order to make it to that grade. Okay. So that's why you decided to get it. Yeah, I'm trying to Yeah, I'm trying to meet ground level at the house. In that spot, get in your garage. What are you going to do on both levels of

Well, hopefully one side of the garage has my boat and the other side has our cars. bottom level. The bottom level, that's just storage.

As you come in from the drive into the garage, then you're going to be able to go down the stairs and out the double doors. house about where your hand is. You come in there and get in the garage. There's this whole It's only going to be like a half.

No, it these concrete walls are 12t tall. like under where you park the cars. They're going to be grow. No, no, this is a slab. This is showing the concrete slab. Yeah. So, it's just Yeah, that's where a little area down the stairs. Does it have the size on there as opposed to the size of the top floor? That'll tell you. The garage part is deep wide.

Yeah, it's going to be about 12 foot. 18 by 32. It's a drop off there. So, let me see that top of the garage right here. about

it would make sense. You'd have to be pretty forced to park cars on the top and have a basement underneath. Scary. I have family members that won't even come. They won't see it. See, you have to go. I I can still do it. I have to drag a quick. Yeah.

And then you um got a cover on there, too. Yeah, that's that's the lake side there. We're looking at a three-foot variance on the west side, height variance and the square footage. What height? That's why I said height. I thought it was 21. So seven feet down to five feet on the west side. got a two foot bearing access to the other foot sideard.

Yeah. So, so I would be within I've talked with Matt, my neighbor, about this. It's actually a benefit to him. The more the more I build there, the bigger the umbrella is catches the water that runs down into his garage. Exactly. But we can catch the water. We can redirect. He's happy about it.

And if you know this is fun fact, his garage is actually on my property line and it's two foot two and a half foot at the back corner. That's the way it was built back in the 80s. Yeah. It's on Yeah, back in the day, Mr. Dick Wells lived there.

No, no. I You already asked the question. Is it more than 8t away from that building? The three-foot variance. Will it still be more than Oh, yeah. Of his building. Yes. Is actually where that angle. See, I'm back. I'm going to be back away from his I'm going to be I'm gonna be north of his brother. I'm not running side by side.

Yeah. No, I'm not going to give that close there. Just the property you take it gets narrow right at that alley. That's what causes it the right and the head is on the west side or the east side. It's over It's on east side. on Matt's side. That's why I'm pushing it to the left. Oh, it's on. It's on the other side. Okay. Nothing. We need to No, you guys are deciding. So, um there any interested parties here on various 2026-1?

You already did this. Yeah. Well, we sent it out certified when we sent out the VA vacate. So, we know everybody got notified and uh I think we just had two that returned out of the five that we sent out, but they didn't make any comments.

Yeah. Well, if he's going to be more than two, it's fine. Tiffy's gonna be less than two.

Are there any interested parties here? Yeah, they're interested in something other than I suppose I will motion that we approve 26-1 as presented. Is there no change to it? Anticipating seeing what next month will look like and whether the valley is big. I say probably contingent upon the vacation. Yeah. Correct.

Well, it's a garage, so I guess it's separated. Not I suppose I guess separated. So, you'll have to read what those restrictions are because he won't have a clue.

That's all contingent on the bill council, but I don't see Is that something I should attend? Will there be questions for me? Potentially, yes. It' probably be in your best interest to attend. Okay. I can't tell you what to do, but it sounds He can suggest. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you need to let him know that the standard restrictions are because you guys will know what they are, but he doesn't know because they weren't discussed, right? What are they?

No bathroom. No bathroom. running. Oh, no.

Okay. No exterior shares, no living quarters, no business, no bathroom. Oh, no. Rentals. That was

second. Tomot sign and date and Good. Going outside. like dancing wants to play.

Come over here. I know

believe me. Okay. PL They gave you any of those if you wanted that for review. Give everybody one of those.

I don't know if they got one or not. Just about it's a yes.

Get my scribble started. Next on the agenda is various 2026-12 Silver Lake Properties. You have the board introduce yourself back. I am not Mark. I am Mike St. Michael just directly across from him and he is in Arizona's wedding out there. So yes, like I said answering questions. Did you get all the pictures? I saw him exchanges pictures of I've got more. I just didn't know which one he wanted to start with. But I can kind of I can talk about it, but if you want to see it, I do have images that I I copied off email exchanges.

Yeah. So, all right. So, Mark bought that property acres. He's been on 19 years and he built a nice house barn. he built wasn't big enough for his uh his camper and all that stuff is agricultural. He's not using agriculture right now. He does have the tractors and stuff. There's currently a farm that stands that he wanted to bring all his stuff in Fort Wayne. So he sold his business out of Fort Wayne. He's moving everything here. So he's got the equipment, he's got boats, camper, he's got assets, he's got some lots of cars. So he just wants to look at everything out here in Fort Wayne. So looking at this pure look at this 5,400 ft. It's actually by 60, not

by 90. That's

right. I did offense correct variance for the square foot. So, we're we're still there.

It's going to be the exact same layout. Uh you guys had variances for that. But same materials, same step back. It's not, you can't see it from the road. You can't see it anywhere right across the street. It's the neighbors, but we can't see it. One thing I do appreciate about Mark is that he's actually putting everything inside trying to get, you know, there's no water there. He's not starting a business up there. He was trying to retire actually up here to enjoy the assets up here. So, uh, this was just kind of a throw layout he put out. He just has quite a bit of stuff and he's just trying to find a place to keep the home.

Uh I know his neighbor kind of spread out right along the do that at some point but uh I like there's nothing there's you can't even see it from the lake where you can't see it from the road and he's not doing anything with that. I know some people had a purchase property and 38 homes and everything else there but no interest and I had too many a nice end up with like three lots maybe four lots outside could be something who knows but for now it just needs more more storage and it's yeah it's it's well kept But I can show you the building. It's a great looking building. It keeps everything inside. His house is right there. He doesn't need a place to live. His house is plenty big enough for gas to come. So he doesn't need to use that anyway. And again, he's old.

How close is this to the building that's already there? Uh it is in one of the diagrams we sent you, but it is probably a good say it's right where the current where the current building is. It's gonna be right over the top that picture you had of Yeah. We were out there and I I mean, you know, there's red markers and stuff which one's actually right. Okay. So, where this is right now, it's a smaller building and uh in the email exchange, it shows where it is and it shows the building built over top.

Yeah. So, that's the old one. So, that's gonna be torn down. And I can show you the big It's just a dirt floor um with the equipment in it. Yeah, it's just original. Just It's just not useful. So, it's going to be the same layout as that. It's just gonna be here. It's further back. We live over here and with all the leaves down, we can barely see this one, but it's way Yeah, it's way off the road, so you can't you can't see it from lake or anywhere. It's just It's out of sight, out of mind. And just kind of start to stump. How big was that one? Yeah, I do know that. That is a 50 by 60. And that had the same it was the same height. Yeah. So it's gonna be a more square footage. It's going to be both wider the height variance you guys did last time. It's gonna be exactly the same because it has 14 foot garage doors.

Uh and so it's just going to be basically the same thing just kind of on steroids a little bit. It's a little bigger. So but the the height and the look the pictures of it is going to be exactly the same um as that one. So you can kind of I can pull if you want to see. lots 38 acres. Is that what he said? He said there's a lot of acreage though. Yeah. So like

Yeah, cuz he said 38 homes. So I think an acre. This is all open here and then this is open there. So he didn't he only loted this up here and here. This is all rest of it still in acorage. Acreage. So the barn that he built goes with his house. And these all go to these other This is his property. That's Yeah, that's the acorage. Leftover acreage.

I've never driving back in there before. Yeah. And it's even it goes up and it's downhill again. So even you just can't see it. It's just nothing there. It's house sets. Take a look at that. come day I followed his road. It's right here in the very the right there. That's his house and he's got a lot next to it. He's not going to sell. He's going to keep asking two lots that lot. Somebody bought a lot here. This is all going to stay. This is going to stay vacant, right? Yep. That's these two homes that don't exist, right? So, this is just all going to be open land be sitting back there. I I think that's at least

and I think I can pull pictures if you want. But it's a nice I'm just going over the application's head with you guys. Okay. So, there is the one you guys put on. It's going to be this same, right? So, this is the one they're going to tear down. This is the one that is 50 by 60 that you guys with the hyper.

It's it's it's the basic. There's a little loft in it for some storage up top. But we were very cognizant of not trying to put water and not say we he was very I know that was concerning. We're like okay no problem and just trying to kind of store stuff. He didn't want to go into great detail. He's got some he's got some nice cars and he's got a buggy. He's got tractors what he just we don't need to know really just just in general boats. We don't need to make a model. So with these lots

Yeah. And so Yeah. And those actually as the lots that are so that these are building lots that would have fall under that same 1200 foot restrictions you guys are going to have if people choose to build there right. This person that I don't know if that has one I think that's what he Yeah. He was originally going to build one here. he was gonna be and then rather than have all that from Lake Bufa he thought it'd be good and actually great recommendation by lead at some point you guys can modify the building's already there you know and that way it's kind of out outside of mind and he just tried to keep it as pristine as possible for people to run the lake so it's not just this big eyesore

so not that it's a bad looking bill it's a great building but it serves purpose but that was the purpose of going back there a to get rid of two buildings that really were no abuse but also just to make it more spacious He can't. So those have to go, right? So anybody that has to they have to own one of these lots. So they can't just right sell the building lots off. They have they have to build home there and those lots. It comes with that. Right. Yeah. I kind of was part of the help.

Okay. least probably pulled her hair out because he's had probably a thousand variations like this where it's all set a little and he wanted his uh full buildings kind of outside, you know, so take away from the woods and stuff around there. Anything else? Uh no, but if there's any questions you have for me,

we're on st we stare at the property. So it's like just like we really don't have a problem with it if you guys don't.

So is there any interested parties here on various 2026? Hey, it's I notified 12 adjoining owners. We had five return and one Amy Bailett and um they just said we have no issue with request and approval of the building

structures. They're next to mark out on the point

and they are here. They are here. Great. Why didn't you recognize you? I talked to I said my truck. I told Mark. building. Same height. It might show on there on that list. I don't know that list I made. It' be towards the end of that list on the next page.

It would have been under Silven Lake properties for Mark Webb. Depends on if I got the other idea is he subdivides and you put 28 of those or 38 of them. So one one large one 28 millions

the usual. Yeah. Subject to the usual and I would say you know because of the zoning it's in it's in an egg because of the area that it's not in it's not in lake residential. or it's maybe not even in a residential zone. So that's why you can approve something. We wouldn't want to approve something that large in a residential district. Yeah. It's really an industrial size building that just so you know couple years got that language to fall back you know rental no business.

We got a vote. We got a vote. We got a motion in a second but we got to vote. Hi. Serious stairs. No bathroom. No rental. No business. What am I missing? No. Living. Living quarters. There we go.

Signing as representative. Okay, just perfect you guys. We'll just have to come get a building permit from Lee when it's ready. Okay. Yep. Thank you. that be dangerous.

This is like one of the spiral ones. Yeah. Those are can't carry anything up and down that even hardly approach like they have in the cities fire escape

circle will not will All right, I'm ready.

All right, next on the agenda various 2026-15 Christine Howard, you have the floor. Yeah. Back from the road. Storage, no water, no toilet, electricity, no running water. Yeah. Pictures. There is one. It's kind of blurry.

You gave me this picture, but when I Yeah, it's tore down. Everybody else is happy and believe it either because it's been there. He sent me that and it it got blurry when I put it on the, you know, but it's it'll be like that. And you hauled in some gravel there, right? You hauled in some gravel where you where you tore the building down.

But you said it's further back. How close was the building that was the road? the existing one. I bet it was probably I should have I should have put that measurement on there. I'm guessing it was probably Yeah. Yeah. I'm guessing this other building. So, this one could be you have your drawing 26 ft. Yeah. But from her property,

but it's actually 30 5T from the road. Yeah.

Travel roadway isn't always in plotted. Yeah, that's it. Goes all over. What is it like? One foot smaller, one foot bigger than the last one. Yeah. Was 48 by 30. Now it's 47 by 30. They have any other anything else you wanted us to know? Any interested parties here on various 2026-15 would like to be heard?

Any interesting parties? So, we I notified four people. Three of the four returned, but no one had a comment.

When was that building built? Do you know the original? The original one was built.

You won't act on the planning commission. All right. I'm making the motion that we approve variance 202615 with the standard stairwells. No bathrooms, no quarters, no business. I haven't written those yet, but I remember them now.

Okay, it's been motioned and seconded now. We have to wait for Dustin to get done.

Circle the right letter right where everything else They're going to need one for their sign because they won't move it back and there's no reason why they don't move it back to the property. Oh, living quarters. Why won't they move it?

Again, they want what they want because they want it. forgot. So wait for their head. signing off.

16, right? Yeah.

Oh, don't act like Thank you. mild. I was gonna pass out a few times.

Any gonna be like updates on the old

Yeah, we got a date. I can't remember what it was. I looked it up the other day. Um, it's not a court date. It's just for them to give the judge an update on what's going on. April 27th is a status conference. So that's all court set up for a status or I don't know maybe they request I don't we're still trying to get the rest of all their random is going to slap me in the hand because I haven't had time to get all that together.

I'm going to tell them they already approved the the record you know the record as it was. So news to us there was more to it. It wasn't brought to our attention that they already certified it to the court. So they said everything was in there. Why would we certify it? Well, because it's our wreck. It's our record. But they didn't object. So, but they didn't object to it. Plus, they did this before and we said if there's anything added to add it. So, I said we did we did it once. Just get away with the stuff in Marian County.

We we did it once before and they had said there was stuff missing the first go around and I said, "Okay, well, if you want it added, send it to me." And I'll go, "Oh, it's in now." and then we'll sign it. And that's what we did. And then then still saying things are missing. The third time they were gonna they were supposed to prepare their brief decided more stuff was missing. So they have this crazy Excel spreadsheet of every document that's in there. All 700 pages document. I guarantee it's in there somewhere. I'm sure it is because there's so much duplication in that documentation. In the 488 pages of the original, there's probably 10 original. There's several pages that appear in there multiple times because I even

I identified that. Yeah, there's there's several stuff that appears in here multiple times. I'm not sure how we could be missing anything when we have stuff that's in there two or three times. But well, what I did when I did it is I went to the last email and I sent that to them and it has all of the emails previously. So if they're saying that I got to send every email well and I think that emails may not have been it's not my problem that they don't know how to keep the attachments together. I've been very passive throughout with my emails.

I mean if it if they're keeping it in a digital document the attachments stay with it. How are the attachments not with it? Well, it wasn't in whatever we put together and whatever they put. I don't because some of the emails they always have little things attachment, but it's not if they're the one complaining. Don't they have to have the information? Well, I told them to send me everything that's missing. You have to send it to me. We'll go then. It's in it now. I'm not doing that.

It's gonna go 30 or 40. I don't know. I've dealt with at least five of them. Got about four of the documents printed out from their list. That's two pages original firm. Several attorneys left and created their own firm. But he just keeps I guess they should have made sure it was all on the record. I think that's part of the issue there. I think is that a lot of stuff we see with the original firm and now you know one day we shall have our fight about armor. One day you on the agenda is miscellaneous business. We have nothing.

Hope that all works for you. that uh they're not coming. I wanted well because I knew people were going to be leaving and we wouldn't have a quorum. So

the memorial week of memorial day supposed to be I'll be somewhere between Reno and here. I make a motion we adjourn. Second. All in favor?

Thank you for coming. Hope entertain you. Yeah, the week of Memorial Memorial Day I'll be somewhere between Reno, Nevada and here. I don't know where them.