Park and Recreation Commission - Regular Meeting

I think we're ready. So we will call this meeting to order at 03:30PM. Good afternoon. Welcome to the March meeting of the Cultural Heritage Board. We are gonna start with the pledge of allegiance and board member Aide Nelson volunteered to do it after we asked him.

To the flag of The United States Of America, to the republic for which it stands, one nation, one nation, nation, one nation, justice for all. Thank you. Our first order of business before we do anything else today is election of officers. So we need to annually elect a chair and vice chair. So do I have any volunteers or nominations for the either position, chair or vice chair?

Can.

Mr. Brown, did you want to say something? I saw your hand up.

Please use your microphones. Sorry.

Good afternoon. I'm prepared based upon the superlative job you've done to nominate you for another term.

Thank you for the nice words. I was going to make Mr. Sisson or somebody else do it, I will accept.

I'd agree. Yeah, third.

Do we have any other volunteers or nominations? Anybody wanna run off?

I hope that wasn't the reason he quit.

Well, now you tell me. Do we want to do Vice Chair at same time? Do we have any nominations? Mr. Castellanos, would you

I wouldn't mind if you guys are okay with that. I think I can do it.

Okay.

I'll second that nomination.

I third that.

Okay. Any other volunteers or nominations? Vice chair.

I would like to nominate board member Brown for vice. Board member Brown.

I appreciate that, but I think we're better served at this point by younger blood. Thank you very much. I'm gonna decline the vote.

Seniority has its privileges. Okay. Do we need to do two separate votes or can we put them both together? Okay. In that case, I just need motion to approve McDonnell as the chair and Castellanos as the vice chair. I'd like somebody other than me to make that motion if you don't mind.

I'll make that motion.

Okay. Our board member has made the motion. Any second?

I second.

Okay. Let's go ahead and vote. Oh, I'm sorry.

Do we vote for ourselves?

Mean You can. Yes.

You can.

Motion passes. All right.

Thank you all for getting that piece of business out of the way. And thank you, Mr. Castellanos, for volunteering to do that. You can stay where you are or you can actually move up to chair if you really like to. You can see how the magic happens.

All the good times we had together, now you leave.

Bear with us while we move your nameplate.

Oh. Move your nameplate. It's very ceremonial. Okay. While we are doing that, let's open the or let's have the record oh, you know what? I did not ask. Could we play the inclusion statement for the meeting, please?

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Thank you for that. And while we're at it, let's go ahead and play the announcement for the general comment.

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Thank you. So at the beginning of each city meeting, we have a general public comment for matters within the jurisdiction of that board. So that's what this item number two is for. I know there's no one in the chamber who wants to speak on item two. Is there anybody online?

Okay. So I know that was quick, but we're going to close public comment for item two, which takes us to the consent calendar. So we have two items on the consent calendar, the minutes for February 18. And to excuse the absence of board member Hudson from the February meeting. We can have a motion to accept both. Or if there are any changes, you can propose that. If somebody wants to pull one of these for a separate vote, we can do that.

I'll make a motion to go ahead and vote on both at the same time and Okay. We move

Thank you. So, board member I Nelson moves to approve both. Do we have a second?

I'll second.

Mr. Brown seconds. Okay. Go ahead and vote. Motion passes. Thank you for that. That takes us to the majority of our meeting today is in communications and reports. So we're going to item five, which we're going to do public comment first, and then we'll let you present that. So let's have the recording for public comment for item five.

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I like to ask this question. Is there anyone in chambers who would like to comment on item five? Seeing none, is anybody online who would like to comment on item five? No callers. Okay. So we're going to close public comment on item five, which brings us to our presentation.

Good afternoon, Chair and Board members. The next item before you today is a review of the city's certified local government annual report for the twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five state fiscal year. As a certified local government, the city of Riverside is required to submit an annual report to the state office of historic preservation documenting the preservation activities that occurred within the reporting period, which started on October 2024 and ended 09/30/2025. The annual report is due to the SHPO by 04/24/2026. If the cultural heritage board requests modifications, staff will make the necessary changes prior to submitting to the SHPO.

Highlighting some of the reviews that Cultural Heritage Board completed within the reporting period, the Board reviewed three city landmark applications including the Mercantile Hall, City Hall, and the Board Residence. The Board also reviewed three certificates of appropriateness including the Cesar Chavez Center Rehabilitation, the Pacific Grove Hospital expansion, and the demolition of the fire damaged structure at 4472 Orange Street. With that, staff recommends that the cultural heritage board provide input, receive, file, and support the certified local government annual report. And this concludes staff's presentation.

John, don't if it's possible if you could put the report on the screen so we can just see it.

I actually don't have a printout.

Great question. It is It is an attachment. It is an attachment to the staff report. Just I will pop back to the control room and see if that's something that

they can In the meantime, can ask board members, does anybody have any questions or would like to see it?

I'd did you have an be happy to summarize it. Each one of us here has it real quick.

Go

I'm a big fan of this particular certified annual report. In particular, because I think it, in very summary fashion, enables people to see essentially our work program, our members and their terms, our attendance records, which I think is a good thing. And I want to comment on that in particular that I think, although like all boards and commissions, the Cultural Heritage Board struggles to get all seven members here, I think we do a pretty darn good job throughout the year of board members attending our meetings. That's my impression from looking at the attendance record. I think that the annual report summary with respect to training is a great summary of opportunities for our board members to receive training separate and apart from their other duties.

And I think the remaining reports detail that. And I'm prepared to not prepared to answer any questions, but I'm prepared to move its approval.

Before you do that, I actually have some changes. Before we move for a motion, does anybody else have any questions on the report?

I'll withdraw the motion.

Since I didn't let anybody second. You mentioned the training. As a certified local government, we as commission board members are actually required to do a certain amount of training per year. And our staff is excellent at facilitating that and doing that here at the meeting. So if you don't remember going into trainings we actually did. That was here. So that's how we meet that requirement. That's actually one of my amendments. I did some outside learning opportunities this year, and then I failed to tell Mr. Magano in time to get it on the report.

So I sent those to him yesterday, so he will add those since this is a draft report. I did some online classes about historic preservation, historic districts in particular, managing ADU requirements, all the kinds of things that we talk about, all presented by the National Trust or the California Preservation Commission.

I think that's a great point. I think we ought to add to it that in addition to taking advantage of the training that's afforded us by the city staff during our meetings, Scott in particular is very good about sending out emails from time to time reminding us of various online programs that you can take advantage of.

Yeah. It's really helpful to see what other jurisdictions are doing and what the conversations around particularly California housing is going on. My other requested amendment is that under we are each listed as commissioner members, anybody who served within that time period. And I've got my professional discipline as education, which I should have changed when I retired three years ago. So I requested that change to nonprofit, which was true before I retired as well. But now it's the only thing that's that's still true. So, with those two amendments, does anybody else have any questions, comments?

Have to make a motion to approve. And thank you for not claiming valor where it's otherwise not given.

Any other outside training that anyone has participated in that we can add while we're at it for Chair McDaniel? If not, that is okay. We will continue to send you opportunities and encourage you to participate whenever you're able.

Just to add, there should be one at the end of the month. I think it's across the street there.

The City Hall Building.

Anybody want to attend that? Excellent. Thank you.

All right. Mr. Brown, did your motion include the amendments that I mentioned?

Yes, ma'am. Okay.

Would anybody like to second?

I second.

Thank you, Ms. Johnson. If there's no further discussion, we'll vote. Just to clarify, we are voting to receive and then approve that's not a receiving file. It's approved and then you're going to amend it and then send it off to state. Thank you. Do we need to do it again? I think.

Voting yes, but it's not. Okay.

Do you want

me to press over there?

Oh, yeah. You go. Mister Hudson. Mister Hudson did for you. You have a proxy.

Motion passes.

All right. Thank you for that. Which brings us to item six, which also has a public comment. So let's play the recording for the public comment for item six.

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Okay. I should ask, is there anyone in chamber who would like to comment on item six? Seeing no one, is there anybody online who would like to comment? Seeing no one, we're going to close public comment for item six and we're going to yield to Mr. Taylor. Are you presenting this?

Yes. Okay. Alright. Honorable chair, members of the board, every year concurrent with the election of new officers, all boards and commissions are required to review the rules of procedure and transaction of business. And that is what this item is for you this afternoon. We do not have a presentation as we do not have any changes proposed to the rules as they currently stand. But we would invite any comments or suggestions for changes to the rules of procedure from the board at this time. Or you may also choose to keep them as is.

Okay. I'm hoping everyone got a chance to review them. They haven't changed since last year, so if you reviewed them last year, you're still good. One note is that I know the city has been working to standardize a lot of the rules across our boards and commissions to make it easier, so there are a lot of items on here that say consistent with the board training handbook, which is helpful to make sure we are all following the same rules, particularly about quorum and Robert's rules and things like that. And anyone's review? Does anyone have any questions or comments? See if you can stump Mr. Taylor.

Please don't.

Or Mr. Or anyone else who's here, not me.

I have a question, Madam Chair. I'm a little unclear. This includes the rules for the transaction of business, correct? And it includes, in its entirety, the Board's and Commission's Handbook?

So, the Boards Commissions Handbook is included as a reference. But, you're not actually affirming that document, just the rules of procedure and transaction of business.

Okay. And, there is a very concise in addition to the handbook, there is a terrific summary of the open meeting laws requirements. That's part of what we're voting on as well, just the incorporation of that as a reference. I'm okay with that.

Can you specify which portion you're referring to as a summary of the

You might be looking at items.

That might be the next item. Doing a Brown Act

Oh, you know, that may be my fault. I looked through this and I couldn't find the cover page for item seven. I'm sure that's my fault.

No report. It's just a presentation.

That's Oh, how okay. I So I just immediately assumed it was part of six.

Okay.

I Sorry for the confusion.

That's okay. I'll wait for seven. Okay? Thanks.

Okay. Yes, mister Kroll.

Okay. I have a question. You get to know me a little bit. I was reading that board members can call a meeting if you have a majority of the But how do you agendize that? Because how do you actually meet as a board to decide to have a meeting without violating the Brown Act? How is that possible?

Will we address that in item seven? Is that part of our rules?

I can discuss it now as part of the rules. That's just to adjourn the meeting. It's not to take action as the board.

The board can call a meeting.

Right. A special meeting as long

as it

follows the additional rules of posting the agenda. All the rules that are included in the RMC's sunshine ordinance even though now this this board is an advisory board and has a little bit different rules

Okay.

But would still comply with the Brown Act as well as those special rules in our Sunshine Ordinance.

So, I think what the city attorney is very professionally summarized is it's the one collective occurrence that can occur outside of a noticed meeting.

Okay.

So it gives you the ability, not encouraging you to do this, but it gives you the ability to call around to see if there are two other members that would like to call a special meeting and to create an agenda for that meeting.

I think it says a majority of the board.

Yeah, just not a consensus on the items that would be on the agenda or action on the items that would be on the agenda.

It's a great point. Yeah.

Yeah. Great point. Okay. Sorry. I read it.

Thank you.

You pass.

Thank I don't think we've ever taken advantage of that. No plans. Maybe the city maybe the city attorney can recall.

Not that I'm aware of.

Has any other border commission or the city council taken advantage of that?

We, in my memory, one time have called a special meeting of the planning commission, and that was, specifically to review the housing element update in 2021 given that we were under, duress from the state of California to get that approved. Okay. And what we had to do was, staff knew that we wanted to call a special meeting, so we we had to do a a poll of, to see if we could get a a majority of commissioners to agree to to that special meeting. And then we were able to initiate the process of of scheduling the special meeting. That's how we did it. That's the only time that I'm aware of.

The reason you had to do that is because you yourself could not unilaterally declare a special meeting.

That's correct. Excellent question.

But you can declare

a special meeting?

Can I? That's right. That's scary. Go ahead, people. I'm not sure I wanted to know that. Any other questions on the rules? Okay. If not, do we need to approve and receive and file or do we even need to vote on this one?

It's a communications item, so I don't believe any formal action is required. But Terren?

No formal action is required if you're not making any amendments or adjustments to the rules. They will stay the same.

All right. So if there's no objection, we will go on to the next item. Is that all right? Okay.

Thank you all very much.

Thank you. We'll close item six. And then that brings us to item seven. No public comment on this one.

Okay, good afternoon. I'm here again as we do this annually. There were some updates in SB seven zero seven that we've kind of highlighted, although most of them do apply to eligible legislative bodies, which is the city council. But it's good to be aware of what's happening on the city level as well. Each time we start with the purpose of the Brown Act, which, of course, is making the people's business open, the intent is to ensure that commissions, boards, councils make their deliberations and take actions openly for the public to see.

The open meeting rule that all meetings must be open to the public and all persons shall be permitted to attend the meeting except as otherwise provided by law. The update is that now the city must provide two way telephonic and audiovisual public access beginning July 1, which you are aware we already do. So good for the city. Some requirements include the adoptions of rules of conduct, which you all just reviewed your rules. Again, there's update that will become effective July 1 that the city must adopt a written policy on handling disruptions, including AV system disruptions.

Meeting includes any congregation of a majority of the members of the at the same time and place to hear, discuss, or deliberate on any item that is within the subject matter jurisdiction of the CHB. Except as part of an open and notice meeting, the Brown Act prohibits the use of direct communication by personal intermediaries or technological devices by a majority of the CHB to develop a collective concurrence as to an action that would be taken or can be taken.

I wanted to note that there's a caution there, which I think is appropriate about social media. The difficulty of course is that in the course of commenting on to social media, a majority or more of the members the Cultural Heritage Board say, I'm all for that. Having not done so in an open and public meeting. But I also think it's important to note that we have people who have a lot at stake in terms of appearing before the Cultural Heritage Board. They have homes and buildings that potentially are subject to landmarking and other kinds of things.

And I don't think this is a problem in Riverside but I remember with great affection a city council meeting many years ago where a developer walked to the microphone and said, as part of his opening remarks, well I talked to all five of you and you all said that you'd vote for the project. None of that of course took place in an open and public meeting. And then under the Brown Act precluded that city council from voting on that matter. So it can be something that really needs to be taken to heart.

Right, in addition to the social media, also I will caution on emails, emailing each other. That is another way where people can inadvertently start to make consensus, so please be careful with your emails. Again, this is a clarification for providing, that you can provide one way distribution of factual information, but as Born Member Brown helpfully mentioned, just be very cautious with social media. That's more of a high risk. It's very accessible that a majority of the members could be commenting on the same topic and could be seen as consensus building.

And then that kind of brings us to serial meetings, which are a series of communications. Each one would involve less than quorum, but taken together would be a majority of the board. Let's see. It's not required to have collective concurrence for there to be a violation. It's the act of moving towards consensus.

The city staff is allowed to engage with each of you and talk to you about subject matter issues, provided that they're not communicating the positions of the other board members. So our staff is really good with that. Again, this is the one way distribution of factual information and to be sure not to reveal board members' views to facilitate agreement. Okay, I've talked about that. Moving on to public speech and public involvement.

The public has a right to address the CHB at its meetings on any topic that is part of its subject matter's jurisdiction. Again, the two way remote access we do have, as was evidenced by our search for online public comments.

Was that a state law, the one about the two way communication?

Yes. Yes, state law. Okay. So the CHB may impose reasonable restrictions upon public comment. But again, it cannot be too broad.

That would constitute prior restraint. You can ask a member to refrain from speaking on items outside of the subject matter jurisdiction or directing to one member. Our office generally advises to on the side of caution and allow the public to speak as long as they get a chance to speak. The more input the city gets, the better our conclusions can be and the decisions the city makes. Again, you can make some requirements, but the public cannot filling out a speaker card, the public cannot be required to give a name or sign a registry as a condition of attendance.

This applies to in person and remote, but the city may ask for that information. It makes it easier to reply to the public if they have questions that we need to follow-up on, and it can be given voluntarily. And again, another reasonable regulation would be the amount of time that a speaker can speak. I believe the CHB's rules has three minutes for general public comment. There are different amounts of times for public hearing.

And the chair is responsible for enforcing time limits. There are some new accessibility enhancements in the changes that have come into effect this year in 2026, including some language translations and remote access details. Again, the city already complies with most of this. The clerk will work on whether the required languages have been included. I do know now the city does a Spanish translation of the eligible legislative bodies, which is the definition in the Brown Act.

Those are already translated to the city council and committee. So the agenda must specify time, location, and a brief general description of each of the items of business. If it's not on the agenda with a brief general description, it may not be discussed or act upon. Some exceptions. Brief responses to statements or questions by the public, questions for clarification, references to staff for factual information, staff reporting back at a subsequent meeting, request to agendize matters for future meetings, and brief announcements from the body or staff.

So the Sunshine Ordinance we mentioned a little earlier, adopted 15 in the city was amended last year. The amendment changed or added a definition for an advisory board under the Sunshine Ordinance with some different requirements. The CHB is an advisory board under the city's sunshine ordinance. That requires this board to post the agenda and all reports and materials in an accessible place, as well as online no later than three business days before the date of the meeting. So that was the new change that we had, as I'm sure you've all noticed.

Again, the agenda may be supplemented consistent with the Brown Act, which is no later than seventy two hours before regular meeting. The Sunshine Ordinance has some specific exceptions where the supplement can happen. Again, I talked about some new accommodation rules. There was an expansion of the Just Cause remote attendance. Board members with a statutory disability may participate remotely.

Again, two way audio and video and must disclose adults over the age of 18 present in the remote location. The list of just cause is there. I won't read them to you. Again, there's the limit of two times per calendar year. And must disclose the reason and have the audio and visual. And that's the end. And if you have any questions, I'm happy to take some.

Could you go back to slide 18 really quickly? That AB2449, was that the pandemic rules?

No. Well, it was an expansion and a little bit of a change in the pandemic rules that were to us. They were supposed to sunset. I don't remember the year, but they were supposed to go a little further. This rule did sunset those and established new ones, which are generally the same except for the new disability and the addition of some just cause.

So on the next slide, '19 oh, wait, '20. Sorry. Oh, '20? Yeah. So as we've seen in the past, sometimes our board members are remote and we can zoom in. But it's only for these particular reasons. And it's limited to two times a year. Was it limited to two times a year before? Yes. I just didn't know And the official business is city official business, right? It says travel and official business or is that

It's no city official business.

Yes. So if you're out of town for work and you want to attend the meeting, you can't. Those are the questions I have. Anybody else have questions? Actually, clarification. I know that it talked about how staff can communicate with all of us. Oh, Mr. Brown's got his hand up. I promise I'll let you talk

in a

No, that's okay. Go ahead.

So, staff can communicate with all of us and then we individually can communicate with staff. But don't hit reply all, right? So if an item on the agenda, if we have questions on that before the meeting, we can ask staff one on one for factual information. Is that correct?

That is correct, yeah.

Okay. That's good to know.

Yes. Please do reach out to staff if you have questions.

So if there's something in there that looks particularly confusing of an item, feel free to call our resort preservation staff or anyone else. Okay, I'm done talking. Mr. Brown, would you

So, I have two editorial comments. One, I think we all are thankful for your emphasis on the expansion of the remote participation rules over the years. I think that helps. So, thank you, Madam Chair. I also wanted to say that and the city attorney is clearly not in a position to editorialize about the Brown Act.

But obviously, the underlying premise of the Brown Act is that the public has the right to expect that their business be done openly and publicly. California has, for well more than seventy five years, led the charge in terms of legislatively implementing Brown Act requirements for school boards, city councils, and I could go on and on. And that accelerated as the 50s and 60s and 70s went on and it continues to this date. I think that's highly appropriate. And I think it we take a lot of ribbing in California.

But the fact of the matter is is that our open meeting laws are second to none in The United States. And many states have not adopted clearly as visionary and broad based open and public meeting requirements. I was reminded of that the other day when the Wall Street Journal posted a story about the owner, I guess you could best describe him as irascible, of a ski resort in Colorado that is perceived to be falling behind the luxury housing, the five star restaurants and everything else that a number of other ski resorts in Colorado have embraced. There are two cities involved in proximity to that irascible owner's ski resort, two different incorporated municipalities. And the story, the gist of which was that the city councils got so upset with the deterioration of this ski resort in their view that two members of, one member of each city council, I presume got on Southwest Airlines to fly down to Orange County to confront the owner of the ski resort without apparently any clear direction or public decision making process.

For example, if one or both cities were considering acquiring the ski resort, they would, under the Brown Act, have to list that property, list the owner of that property and then disclose any directions that were given to the township representatives. I'm sure that from this account, none of that occurred because the two well meaning city council members ended up in Orange County to meet with the owner of the ski resort. And then, as I recall, the story proceeded to represent themselves as the principal members of an investment group that was prepared to offer a very handsome price to acquire the ski resort. And, that was all coincidental with a closed session meeting where apparently at least one of the town councils did discuss some of the possibilities of changing the course of the ski resort in closed session only to find that due to a technical error, the closed session was broadcast on the community access channel openly and publicly. Both of those city council members resigned in the aftermath of that and the one city council has appropriated $350,000 which is a tidy sum to try to investigate how they put themselves in a position of potentially making it very very difficult to at any point in the future reach some collective consensus about acquiring the ski resort.

I'm not an expert on Colorado law so I'll defer that to the city attorneys involved but I did note that neither city attorney because of the reporter was sort of more of a non legal reporter were called upon to explain how either city council got in the position of putting themselves in that situation. But, I think that we can be very proud of the fact that that, in all likelihood, could never occur in California. And I think that's great.

Thank you for that. Vice Chair?

Yes, I just wanted to add to that. I think it's one of the beauties about California. It provides a direct democracy here in California. It's one of the few states that does across The United Another thing is, you know, the reasoning behind the Brown Act is to allow the public to chime in and share their ideas and share their thoughts. And that not only allows for diversification of ideas, but, you know, collective idea thoughts and ideas in in across many different people.

And sometimes we're sitting up here and we're we're talking, but maybe an idea that hasn't been heard comes from the public, and we can try to add to to our agenda and try to add to the policy that's being made up here. And I think that that's a lot better than being dictated to. And that's what you see a lot of in a lot of countries, a lot of cities maybe across states. But here in Riverside, we allow a lot a little bit more transparency. And I think the public should maybe take advantage of that because it is a it is a gift.

Well said, both of you. Yes, mister Corona.

I just have a couple questions about how it works in this context. So suppose a building, say the courthouse is planning some change. And can members of this board independently go down and ask about the change to see what's going to happen, see what's planned? Or would that constitute, could that potentially constitute a violation?

Yes, you can do your own information collection. That's fine.

Even though we might end up talking to the same people independently?

Yes. As long as the people you're talking to aren't then sharing

Between us.

Yes. Sharing each other's positions.

So maybe we should caution them in that regard.

Yeah, that would A be a good

little more arcane. Up to four of us can confer, is that right? Less than a majority? How many

do we have on the

have nine. We have nine but there's seven seated right now.

Okay.

Majority four, yeah.

So three then

for now? Majority.

Depends on how many are currently seated.

Yeah, so it should be seven is the total.

Yeah, so it would be no more than three at this But if we were fully appointed, it would be four.

Okay. So my question is, what happens if there's a meeting and we barely have, like, enough people to hold the meeting and the majority of the people who do show up have actually talked to each other. How do we avoid that problem?

Well, would just caution against talking about your positions with each other just in No,

I understand. Yeah. But I'm just wondering in that situation.

You wouldn't know beforehand and it would just be who's there?

Best thing, as the city attorney pointed out, is to just avoid any collective occurrence, concurrence. So let's assume we only have five members at a board meeting and three of you feel very of us feel very passionately about something. The advice that the city attorney of Riverside gives time and again is just don't say I've made up my mind. I'm going to vote this way or this is what my position. So that three of you were placed in the position of then saying, yeah, let's go for it. We're all in favor of this.

Right. I understand that. I understand what you're telling me. I'm just asking a specific question though. I just, you know, if that does happen. I think it

's the same as voting. As long as you aren't discussing it together before, it's agendized in the open meeting.

Okay. Thank you.

Does that make I hope that cleared a little bit up. I think.

More questions. Mr. Castellos?

Just to maybe get to your point, so what if it does happen? Is that what you're kind of asking? Think that we'd have to bring it up at the

At the meeting? That's what I

would met with you and Andrew, something, and then I outspoken and proclaimed my my vote. Okay. And that would be a violation, I assume. Right? The meeting what would happen in that case?

Yeah. It could yeah. It could be a violation if you are discussing it beforehand. Your position beforehand, yeah.

So would that board member then need to abstain or recuse?

Well, all of the action taken would be, yeah, so it wouldn't be able to be taken action on.

Yeah. It would be the majority of the board who is present. So you can do it. You'd have to defer it for another meeting.

I see. Thank you.

Do we have that question answered? Any more questions? I know we don't have it sufficiently answered.

If you're wondering why I'm cut I on the utility board for eight years. So

So that

You've had some experience

in Yeah. So

I've run up into this, but actually that had never come up. And so I just didn't think about it until I was reading that today. I was like, well, what if that

Yeah. He's doing good beta testing of the rules. Can you break it?

In other words, no Christmas parties.

You can have Christmas You just have to talk about Christmas.

Anyone else have any questions, observations, comments? Okay. If not, we thank you for that lesson once again and reminder. And if we go out throughout the course of the year and have questions, that's why we have our city attorney sitting here with us at every meeting as a resource. Thank you. Thank you. So that closes item seven, which brings us to item eight, which is if anyone has items for future cultural heritage board consideration. And before we go to that, I failed to officially welcome our newest board member. It's Mr. David, is it Krohn?

Krohn, yes.

And you are award one?

Yes.

Okay, so thank you for serving and welcome. If you have any comments you'd like to make, you can. You don't have to say anything. Anybody else want to pat them on the back and say welcome.

Oh, it's great to be here. That's a passion of mine as it is all of you, I'm sure. And I look forward to learning more about the committee and how it works. I understand there's an expertise expectation. Science, but my background is in agriculture. So I do have expertise in, like, green belt issues and the canals and, you know, and then power and all of those kinds of things. So I don't know if that counts, but that's what I know about.

Excellent. Landscapes are part of the historic structure. Right. We do deal with zoning of all types. So, expertise may very well.

I think Mr. Krone's being too modest among his other qualifications, and the ones he mentioned, I think would be enormously helpful to the Cultural Heritage Board, is the fact that he apparently lives in a 1908 house.

Yep. That I keep from falling apart myself.

Or at least you do your best, alright?

No, it's still there.

Okay. That's good.

Welcome aboard, as I said earlier. And I will make sure that chairman or former chairperson I'm not chairperson. Yeah. Vice chairperson Jordan hands you his handbook of intricate questions. As we have people come, applicants come. But yeah, welcome aboard.

Thank you.

Thank you. Do you all have anything for you to itemate?

Welcome Mr. Cron. You will be back in the capable hands of Mr. Watson for your next meeting in April. He is taking a well deserved vacation at the moment, but will be back, shortly.

We have Currently, we have one item on the agenda for the April meeting, and that is the deed, the modification of the Prospect Place Historic District to remove the 4472 Orange Street from that designation. That's the the fire damage structure that is going to be was approved for demolition by RCOE. That's a condition of approval of that so that it's sort of a procedural item that needs to come back to the board for them to move forward. Also, some of you are very well aware, I think you all know quite well, but wanna remind you, California Preservation Foundation Annual Conference is being hosted here in Riverside, May. If any board member is interested in attending, please get in touch with staff and we can handle Or we can assist you with registration for that.

And then, of course, our conference committee members attend complimentary. Great. Yes. I will be on a panel at CPF with Scott talking about adaptive reuse in the context of the farmhouse collective development project. That's a mobile workshop. So if you're able to, you know, you want to register for that, if space is available, I recommend you come see it. You haven't been over there, it's fantastic. And, yeah, we hope to see as many of you there as want to join us for CPF. So that's all I have.

Thanks. So that's in May. May.

Sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth.

Sixth, seventh, And it's here in Downtown Riverside.

The majority of the events are the seventh and the eighth, which is the Thursday and the Friday.

I inadvertently wandered by the collective thinking I was showing up for the farmers market and there were 200 people waiting in line to get into a special event. I wandered around to the side entrance and talked my way in by saying I was a member of the cultural heritage board.

Wow. I didn't know that worked.

It was well worth it because the event was a major tequila mezcal tasting with 18 vendors. And it was really something else. And a wonderful band. So, they obviously I mean, it's not easy to put together an event like that. It was impressive. There was a woman removing trash at the side entrance who only spoke Spanish. And as she was leaving, I did a little bit of translation and I think that led the security guard to letting me in.

And now we know all of his secrets. So back to CPF, they also need volunteers. So if you want to volunteer at a conference, you can also do that. Anything else? That's it for us. All right. Anyone else? Anything good for the good of the order or are we good? All right. Seeing nothing, we are going to adjourn this meeting at 04:26 p. M. Thank you all and we'll see you in April.

All right. Thank you.

Here. I'll hit the thing. It's a new one.