City Council - Regular Meeting

Our dear heavenly father, we're so grateful for this opportunity to meet together as elected officials and staff for the city to discuss the needs and of the city and what we can do to best support our residents and staff and the operations. Please look over our staff and keep them safe as they do their duties and help them be able to return home safely to their families. We're thankful for the opportunity to live in a land with freedoms and opportunity. And please help us to be able to be guided to make the best decisions that we can and to do it with respect and kindness. And we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Amen. Thank you, Councelor Hansen. Uh seeing no members of the public, we will uh move on uh from public comment on to presentations reports. For the mayor's report, I have a couple of things. uh thanks to those that made the effort to go down to the UL Utah Utah League of Cities and Town training. Uh there were some good sessions there. Uh one of them was about conducting good meetings and and that's where I realized most cities do have a work session. There was a really good one about emergency preparedness and the North Ogden fire that really just blew my mind. Um the things that they dealt with um their communication, their internet, they didn't have it. I just can't believe the things they dealt with. So, we need to have a pretty serious meeting and uh maybe even involve their guy. Uh I I did another thing uh on the agenda that that some of the meetings have is an upcoming events section that I would really like to make a standing item on ours because I feel like sometimes we miss a few things.

Oh, okay. Cool. I I would like to see them printed if I could if we could like Veterans Day program November 11th just just so because because I forget um and and I'm sure everybody probably misses them occasionally like actual printed things that are upcoming in the next say month. Um I think that'll be helpful for us. Thank you for adding that though. Um we've got the combined city council meeting on there. You know, we have the election uh the Trader Joe's thing. there just things that are coming that I don't ever want to forget to tell these these guys and make sure everybody's up to date on what we're thinking. Um and and so along with that, we do have our Veterans Day program on November 11th. We're working on that. Um and we're excited for that. We do have the Trader Joe's on Friday morning at 8:30, 8:45. It's going to be very quick. Uh but you know, it's going to be a big deal. It's probably something that would be neat for us to attend. So, we'll go support them. Um, we do have a meeting with UD do tomorrow concerning the bridges over 4,400. It will be very interesting to see what they say um tomorrow. And uh I I have well we'll just leave it at that. I'll let you know what we find out. Um and with that, we'll move on to the city administration report. Mr. Brooks,

thank you, Mayor. Appreciate that. Um you guys hear me? Okay. Yeah. [Music]

All right. Uh, department heads reports are all in your packet. Does anybody have any questions concerning any of any of those or any items that might be listed on those? I'm not exact. I think most of them are there tonight. Most department heads, if you had any. I I did notice in um um and if I'm pretty sure Sean's there, he might be able to answer this because I didn't know the answer, but there was a big drop in both the commercial and residential water and sewer usage. The water obviously is pretty self-explanatory, but I wasn't sure why there was such a drop in the sewer usage. I don't know if any of you noticed that or if you really were concerned about it, but I don't know if Sean could give us a little update on why that would drop so drastically at this time of the year. I don't think the sewer would have dropped as far as I was aware.

Maybe I misread that wrong. It just if there were two different uh charts on that graph and it showed both of them dropping quite a bit and that's what it surprised me a little bit because I thought I read one in that index that it was sewer, but maybe I just read it wrong. Our water use definitely drops in as September goes on and then into October we definitely start taking a decline on that. But sewer is based on just a monthly fee. So other than the commercial and it's based on usage in December, January and February. So it shouldn't have changed much either. So they should them should be pretty consistent.

I'd have to That's why I was surprised by that because I knew sewer is pretty consistent. That's not going to change that much. But either way, um October anniversaries, we didn't have any for their anniversary dates. We did have a couple of notes there. Chris with the fire department has 21 years. Uh we wanted to give a shout out to her. The other the others were a little bit smaller. John Flynn with Sean's department has seven and Amy with uh one of our front uh desk persons with four. And Nikki, I actually hired Nick to court. It's been four years. Kind of blows my mind that it's gone that fast, but kudos to all them. Our staffing authorization, if you notice that we're pretty well staffed. We're in probably as good a shape as we've been for a long time. We are still down in both police and fire, but I know those are both moving forward. So, uh, one of these days we'll bring that into you and we'll be fully staffed. So, that would be a a good development. Um, next we had our community development report. I'll just turn a little bit of time over to Brandon just update us on any of those things.

Uh, sure. Mayor mentioned Mayor mentioned the Trader Joe's uh, grand opening tomorrow. So, we hope to see you all there. Uh, thanks for all of uh Friday, Friday at uh 8:45. Yeah. Uh, thanks for all of you who went to the Honeybaked Ham um grand opening. That was packed. Small space packed. And Steve's very excited about the year's worth of free sandwiches he won. That's right.

Yeah. Um and then um you probably noticed on the report there's a new addition with the Nothing Bunt Cake that's in the strip center between um Super Chicks and Starbucks. So we'll see them open in a couple of months. We are getting a new golf simulator over at Freeway Park Drive uh where the old um hobby store used to be. Uh that's not on the report either, but that is under construction right now. Like the RC Adrenaline Hobbies. Okay. So they're they're gone. Yeah. Okay. CO or not CO but construction probably killed them. Yeah. Okay. Any questions? Brandy, you might want to mention the Larry H. Miller sale. I don't know how many of them are aware of that.

That's right. So, uh, the Larry H. Miller Jeep sold to Young Automotive. So, they're now branded as Young. It wasn't really Larry Miller. Larry Miller Corporate sold to a company out of Georgia for a bazillion dollars a few years ago, but they kept that name for that store for some reason. Um, and now they're selling just that store off. So, the one up on Mhm. on the Yep. on the hill. All right. Very good. Thank you,

Mayor. I if I could just I'll just wrap that up on the upcoming events. I just made a couple notations myself. Some of these I think were hit obviously, but the fall cleaning again October 27th, 28th and Rich has gotten party on the 27th as well. And then um the final thing we did need to discuss that uh joint meeting with the planning commission. And also just to point out that our first meeting in November will be on the 5th because the 4th is election day. So, just a reminder of all that. So, um I don't know if you want to discuss that about planning commission. I think Brandon's reached out to the planning commission. I don't know what feedback we got from them, but uh we usually do this in the fall where we have a joint meeting with both of them and we can do a little bit of training that night. So, we may want to discuss that a little bit and just give us some ideas what works best with the city council and then we can bounce that back off the planning commission. Um, but other than that, that's all I had on my list to discuss.

Okay. Uh, can I ask one question? Um, M. Mark Tony, could you bring up the from the packet the um average utility fees thing? That's that's what he was talking about. Um, the commercial average user fees. Last year it was level the entire time and this year it went down this month. And that that's what I think Steve was wondering about. Um page eight. Here we go. That was it. Second one. That one. Oh no one. Sorry.

Yeah, that one's Yeah, this one there with the red line. It just went down. And that was what I think Steve was asking about. Yeah, that was it. If if you could look at some research on that. Yeah. Give us an idea of why it went down given the fact that last year's was level. Yeah, it should be pretty consistent the way we charge on that. It should be so it might have just been a typo or something that was put in an error. I'll get with Cody on it and see what happened there. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Brooks. They're going to figure that out. Okay, sounds good. Thank you.

Yeah. As far as the combined meeting, do we want to have a discussion right now about what we what what we want to do? What what has the planning commission feedback been as you've spoken with them? Have they given you any feedback or

Yeah, they're um new to this as well, most of them. Um and so I think what we're interested in as a commission is to discuss um a couple of things. The new concepts that is that are coming from Wasach Front Regional Council around centers. I think that's a big deal that's being integrated into the new moderate income housing um plan changes that will be forthcoming. So that will be a big deal. We could do some legal training as well um based on making uh certain types of motions and the language around motions. We've we've discussed that with the commission already and so that would be good I think jointly to to do. Uh and then um we can talk about potential projects coming forward in terms of um what the vision is for the city. Stringtown being one of them. Uh it would be nice to have the commission and the and the and the council confer together on some of those big ideas. One of the things that the commission has always been concerned about is being out of step with the council. Um making recommendations to the council that may then get rejected or denied by the council. And so as much as we can come together, especially on the strategy portions, I think that's going to be very efficient for us.

Okay. Uh do you guys want to we have a meeting scheduled for the 18th of November or the 5th uh which is the Wednesday would would would after this meeting work uh to have them come in. I hate to get us over here another night uh if possible. Like I don't want to make you guys come on a Thursday or something, but what what are you guys thinking? What works for you? And and what are you thinking? I think um the commission has generally expressed some flexibility, so they take your lead on that. I'm open to either. Okay. I mean, if we had a limited agenda, that would help. Yeah. Yeah.

We definitely want an agenda and we'd want you to uh have that well in advance so you can come prepared to have a productive conversation. And we'd have some presentations and some slides and things to look at and the council and hopefully the council will be limited. Yeah. If it's if we're going to do it after. Yeah, if we're going to do it after, hopefully we can really limit the council meeting to a short meeting and then and then jump into that. Uh do do you guys have a preference on the 5th or the 18th? Do you have any sense of what's coming the next uh what is that two weeks from now for the council

for for the council meetings? I mean, do we have any big agendas coming? Um, we may be presenting to you the reszone that was already heard by the commission uh for the council's recommendation for the land behind Crispy Cream. That's the the biggest thing that we have from the commission. Do you think that'll happen on the 5th or the 18th? Uh, depending on when it's ready. It could be either one. Okay. The target is the latest is the 18th. We'll have the canvas on the 18th, too. Oh. For the election. That doesn't take very long, though, does it? No. Do you want to just do the 18th and we'll just plan on Go to court?

Yeah, let's we have a court battle. Yeah. Um, okay. Is everybody okay if we just do the 18th and we'll just plan on camping out here that night? So, okay. Thank you. All right. Let's plan on it. Let's get that agenda together. Thank you, Michelle. You're bringing treats. Bring treats. All right. Yes. Finding dinner. She understands the assignment. That's good. Okay. Um All right, Mr. Brooks. Anything else? No, nothing further, Mayor, for me. Thank you, Mr. May.

Yeah, ju just one final thing and I know I know we didn't have a meeting last cycle. Uh the last meeting was the end September 30th was the end of the third quarter. I was kind of hoping to see some budget updates in that. So I didn't see it this time. So I'm just laying it out there. So hopefully maybe next time we can get some updates uh because I love to see how we ended the quarter. So and that'll be the November 5th meeting. So yeah, let's have that. Thank you. You got that, Mr. Brooks for Cody, Mr. Cardon? Yeah. Yeah, we'll get it out. We may get it out earlier than that just so you got time to look at it.

Okay. Thank you. Consent items. Number one, consideration to approve the meeting minutes from the September 16th, 2025 council work session and council meeting. Any changes or corrections to those minutes? Seeing none, a motion to approve would be in order. So moved. Motion. Do we have a second? Second. Motion and a second. Any discussion on that motion? All in favor say yes. Yes.

Any opposed? That passes unanimously. We'll move to action items number one, consideration of resolution 2025-33 amending the Riverdale consolidated fee schedule to include letter of agency signs for purchase by property owners and to update and clarify commercial sewer rates. Uh Chief Warren and Shawn Douglas. All right. Um just to give you an update, let agency signs are something we've been doing for a couple years now. Um, it used to be just a letter, but we've now created a sign over the last little bit. We were getting some good participation from some of the businesses. Having them go purchase them themselves, but a lot of times getting people to go purchase them themselves and then get them up has been a struggle. So, we're proposing that we add it to the fee schedule. We'd purchase uh a a bulk of signs that would get us at a little bit discounted price and then we would sell them directly to the businesses for them to sign and hopefully facilitating that getting those signs up uh and more of the businesses which will help keep our city safer and cleaner. So, is there any questions on that?

No, I like it. Great. Thank you.

Okay, so our part was just a missed item on the consolidated fee schedule. We did approve that rate in the budget meetings that we had previously. Um, we just missed it on the fee schedule. We also when we was looking at it, it's it wasn't very clear in there on how we charged and so we went back and kind of put in like we charge for the water and gave some clarification so that it's more transparent. If anybody has a question, they know why they're being charged for what. And it also moved the charge over on the line items where all the other charges are. And if you have any questions, I can try and answer them. All right. Any questions? Councelor Arnold.

Move to approve resolution 2025-33 as seated within the packet. We have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Motion and second. Any discussion on that motion? Miss Maraggoni, will you please pull the council? H. Yes. Councelor Richtor. Yes. Hansen. Yes. Councelor Arnold. Yes. Answer Stevens. Yes. All right. That passes unanimously. We'll move to item number two. discussion and action regarding rebranding of the senior center building. Mr. Taylor,

thank you, Mayor. as as Miranda and I have been looking at a bunch of different options to try to secure some help in funding um with the different elements over at the senior center. One of the things that we've ran into is some of the grants that might be available to us um are looking for a little bit um they don't necessarily want to put their money into a senior center. um just that name itself actually disqualifies us from some of the grants. Um but in reality it's it's kind of a it's a an adult recreation space. Um we we do a lot of our youth programs over at the community center and our adult programs are are at the senior center for for a large portion of them. and then recognizing that we do band concerts over there and meet the candidate nights and on occasion we've had different uh we had uh a few years ago somebody come and speak about suicide prevention. Um it's just it's a community space that we that we can utilize and the idea came about as we're trying to turn over every stone and look at every possible opportunity to um secure some funding and secure some help in the operations of that building. Um, one of the things that we identified was if we maybe changed the name um to something that's not so descriptive as a senior center um that that might open some doors to apply for some of this other funding. But before we come to the council, we don't really have names identified or anything like that. before we come to the council, just wanted or before we bring a final product to the council, just wanted to kind of get your guys's appetite. Um, is that an idea that you'd be willing to consider? Is it

a non-starter? You know, and that's kind of the discussion that we wanted to have tonight. Okay. Council Arnold, I think it's really appropriate because one of the problems that we do have is the apartments. They're not they're not senior apartments. They're not subsidized. They're even if we have them in a 55 or older or something like that, they're not subsidized. So, it's it's inappropriate really to have a senior center with the apartments because it it leads to assumptions. So, I'm I'm all for it. I agree. Let's see. Councelor Steven Scott, he beat you. No, I Councelor Richtor.

No, no, I'm just going to echo that. I think that would be an appropriate uh thing to to be more descriptive, more accurate description of of the facility. So, yeah, just wide open just

open it up. But I'm I I don't like the word adult because it has a double antandra uh meaning and so it's like yeah, you know, Riverdale's adult, you know, center. So, anyway, not to be anyway, you get the point, but it's it it's I'm I'm open. I think that's a that's good. I like it, you know, and I I'm not a real fan of I don't know is is there an age limit? We have we posted is it 55 and above? Is that is that how we define senior? So, in all reality, um, it by policy with the city, we've we've declared 55 and older for our senior rates and things like that, but in all reality, anybody that walks in that building can partake of the services provided, you know, and that's kind of the point is it's maybe it's geared towards the 55 and older crowd, but not everything. obviously the band concerts and the meet the candidates and we use it as a community space. Um and even during the day if somebody that is younger than 55 wants to go participate in those activities they they're not going to be turned away.

Councelor Councelor Hansen after councelor Stevens is done. No, I was just gonna I've started participating over there on some of the in the day and and lunches and and I've been one of the the things that I've noticed is that there's um there's okay seniors in the 70s and 80s year old crowd being taken there by um a 40 or 50 year old child and and they participate with them and they get they can have lunch with them. And I'm going that that's fabulous because you know not to make them they're trying to do right for their parents the senior per uh and and bring them there and I thought tip my hat to you know Miranda was was oh yeah absolutely everybody yeah you're welcome but I have seen younger but there almost always my observation this is anecdotal is they were accompanying who who people who wanted to be there with their with the you know their generational crowd.

I think councelor Hos was ahead of you councelor Hansen.

Yeah, I'm right. Um when the building was built um it was in intended to be the Riverdale Senior Center, but the space the large um room there was uh was a magnificent facility. I mean, it is a really, really nice space. And I mean, there were talk there was talk about renting it out as a for weddings, for um anniversary pro uh parties, and for other kinds of parties. Um, they then put they then set the rates to rent it out at such a rate that nobody would want to. I mean that and and it seemed like that was almost kind of the desire at the time that but I do believe that I I think that there was at least one or two weddings that were there and I thought that they were magnificent. the the that room is amazing for that kind of a thing. And um use the other uses that we have for it uh that we do use it for are I I think are are great and it you know getting more uses out of it for those things. Um but I also feel that we want to be very um considerate about the seniors. Um I don't want them to think that we're that

we're changing the name because we don't want it to be a senior center anymore. Um so uh that's that's where I would go. I I I don't have a problem um you know making uh some kind of change in branding. Um just that we we might want to um be cognizant of making making sure that the seniors understand that it is still and we intend it to be a senior center for them but that we're rebranding it for the fact that it is a broader use within the community and that that will allow us to um get more funding to help out with all of the programs.

Councor Hansen,

and I would just second what com what not Commissioner, Council Member Hos said. Um I feel the same way and I I would especially be able to support it, I think, if we did find more ways to use it as more of a community. um which I know is tricky staffing-wise, but we it's such a beautiful facility and I know that puts a lot on us, but um if we're able to bring in that additional funding because of it, then hopefully we can afford to maintain it even after hours. So, if we can find ways either to even engage with city events more often there, um, or find ways to co-mingle senior things a little bit later into the night there to make it more of a broader community event occasionally like the suicide prevention um, talk or I would love to be able to go during the senior cell after work rather than having to skip work to go to the senior cell. So, I mean, I think there's just a lot of opportunity there, and I think that would help if we open ourselves up a little bit, even though it might cause us some more work to have to do that. But,

okay. And I I just feel the same like a lot of these items that end up on our agenda, I we've talked about them in the city for weeks, but this is brand new to me, too. Uh I feel like it's our most beautiful facility in the in the city, and uh I've always thought it'd be wonderful for weddings and that sort of stuff. I know there's some logistical problems, but um yeah, I mean it's got all kinds of amenities. The pottery does it still have a kiln and a pottery room or Yeah, there's no no reason you couldn't just have a a class a pottery class and have it in there that's not seniors. It could be kids for all that, you know.

Um you could use it as part of a summer recreation program. And we need to be respectful to seniors. I don't want to push them out in any way, but it probably sits empty during certain times. There's just so many different things we could be doing. Um, yeah, this is a very interesting idea and I'm excited about it. I think it's I think it's very positive. So,

yeah. Well, and and as we're having the discussion tonight, I appreciate the feedback and it sounds like um it's worth continuing down the path and exploring. Um, I I had a couple ideas and thoughts and I wanted to to maybe try to get some direction from the council. Again, we're not discussing specific names. We're not even I don't have a recommendation that way, but when you look at um naming buildings or activity centers or whatever you call it. Um a lot of times you can you can name it after the activities and the use that's in the building, right? Um or maybe you can name it after some buildings are named after people. Um or sometimes it's just a it's a pretty name, right? So, like we have the community center, you can call it the recreation center, right? We decided to call it the community center and we have the fire station. That's pretty descriptive of what we do there. Um, if we're looking at names, are there certain things that the council would lean more into or like for instance, the idea came up, it was brought to me. It wasn't something that Miranda and I talked about of naming after somebody. Um, how does the council feel about that? Or would you would you shy away from that? Would you entertain that? Like anyway, maybe I could get a little guidance there as well tonight.

Council Arnold, I would shy away from naming it after somebody. I think knowing that particular activity or whatever we got going on there and where we headed there, people don't know. people in

one generation, two generations, whatever. And it's like, you know, I don't even when a contractor puts in a subdivision and they name the streets after their kids and I don't know their kids and I don't know what order their kids were in. So, I don't know if Chelsea comes after Bobby, I don't know. And so I think it's better to stay just Riverdale's, you know, activity and living center or something. I mean, I don't I I have no care what it is, but Hans,

I know it might cause a little bit of confusion. It's always been a little strange to me that we call it the rec center the community center. And so that may be a hard thing to shift, but if the rec center became the rec center and the community center became the community event center or something along those lines. I mean, it would be a shift. I don't know how many people really there's only two buildings, so I'm not sure how confusing that really would be. There could be some with it, but

and and we refer to the community center a lot. I'm not sure the residents do. You know what I mean? like we need to be able to call that building something so we all know but I'm not sure if we change the name they'd just be like oh this is the rec center okay whatever half of them probably call it the rec center we need to know because we know what building we're talking when we say the community center so yeah I think you might be able to pull that off something to think about I think something else too might just throw it into AI or something well we've got some ideas that we've been kicking around you know we're just not quite there yet but I just this helps guide that too you know councelor Stevens

stay away. I I concur with the stay away from the from an individual. However, if you want to be descriptive, which I think is helpful as to what you're trying to accomplish, you can also add in a location like the rec center on Parker Drive or, you know, something in that have that as a descriptive of where it's at because sometimes I've heard people get tongue tied between the community center and civic center and interchange that. Yeah. And so if you put it at uh in the descriptive in the name the location anyway like the crossing at 700. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. I I think I think I've got great feedback tonight, mayor. I don't know if I mean it's your meeting, but any other comments? We've got I'm supporting the Yeah, great job, Rich. Like you guys are doing you're doing everything you can. So that's awesome. Okay, we will move on to the next item. Uh number three, discussion and action. possible action regarding senior center membership fees, lunches, and software. Mr. Taylor.

Okay. Um, this is this is kind of another topic that uh as we're looking at uh having the users of the service help pay for the service, as we're looking at different sources of funding. And um we've we've talked a lot about who's using the senior center, who's using the programs, and and how we do fees and things. And put together a little bit of slideshow slideshow on this one. It's not uh Mr. Cooper level, but um hopefully it'll help set the table for for the discussion and kind of the direction that we're headed. And then just wanted to get some feedback from the council before we really dial it in. So, if you'll flip the slide there, some of the the considerations that we've we've taken is we're pretty limited on staffing over there. So, any kind of fee that we institute, we've got to figure out a way that we can we can manage that through staffing. the the users, a lot of them have technology barriers um and and that can be difficult for them. Then we have people coming from all over the the county and and all over northern Utah to to use the the facility. So, we want to to make sure that we're charging it uh fairly, I guess. um looking at maybe a resident on resident type of pricing just because of the geographic diversity of people. And then we also want to be considerate of the seniors and the customers that are on fixed incomes. So these are kind of some of the things that we've been thinking about before we even get into any kind of fee idea of of just trying to um deal with what we have. We're not going to come forth and and ask for extra staffing so that we can implement a fee. Um so as we're going through this, just kind of keep those things in mind. So what we've looked at is we have our lunch program is our biggest activity. Um but we have a bunch of other activities as

well. If you look at the the usage and the numbers, lunch is a little over half of the visits to the senior center involves a transaction at lunch. Um and specifically I was asked to look at a resident non-resident fee on a lunch. Um we served about 18,000 lunches last year. So that would be putting a fee on 18,000 transactions. And due to some of the staffing constraints and some of the technology barriers that the the users have, 18,000 transactions is a little scary to me to try to um do them in a different way. And so we've kind of migrated to this membership fee idea. And that's kind of what I wanted to discuss with the council tonight where we would have two different fees, a yearly fee and a monthly fee. That would greatly reduce the number of transactions that we do. Um here in a minute we'll have a slide describing how many users that we have. Um but it would be under a thousand transactions if everybody did a yearly fee. Obviously if if they did a monthly fee, it would be more frequent, but again it's only once a month versus every day. And then we would have separate prices on a resident non-resident price. Um if you'll flip to the next one, Michelle. Um again, we have limited um employees to facilitate sales. Now we implemented two years ago a structure at the senior the community center where um we we sell our annual passes. We put them on sale once a year. Um, and in doing that, we've kind of flipped the whole math equation. Um, I know exactly when we're going to sell month passes or year passes cuz it's the month that we have them on sale. Um, we sold three yearly passes before we put

them on sale in the whole year, the year prior. I just pulled my numbers. We've we've sold 180 this year. Um, our month pass users has gone way down. We're hardly selling any month passes. People are buying the year passes because they go on sale. And then all of our renewals come at the same time as well because it's a year pass. And so by what we would like to propose is a fee structure where we have a discount on the yearly passes once a year where we can staff an extra person over the senior center for a period of time. um anticipating a lot of transactions, getting those transactions taken care of that one time a year that could help with some of our staffing constraints. Um it's a model that we're using over at the community center and it's been really successful. We used it over the community center as a way to generate additional revenue because obviously the cost of a year pass is more than a month pass. Um and it's actually helped us generate additional revenue. But one of the other things that it's done is all of our transactions come in a um compacted period of time which over at the senior center would be really attractive because then we can we know what days we have it on sale and those are the days that we can add additional staffing over there. So if you want to flip one more Michelle this just talks about we've been tracking uh membership at the senior center u for about two years now. We have 223 residents who are members. We give away memberships for free right now. We have 554 non-residents that are members. So any fee that we implement would involve potentially people would stop coming. I mean, there would be some that that don't come any longer, but when we're looking at a dollar amount on a fee, you're looking at, you know, about a

little less than 800 people who could potentially be part of that. Um, we I don't have any dollar amounts for you tonight. Um, and another thing, too, as far as strategically, we we kind of want to start low. um and just get it on the books, see how it's working, see how it impacts our attendance numbers and things like that and then we can um adjust it as we need rather than coming in pretty high and driving people away. Again, that's part of the compassion thing where they're on fixed incomes, things like that. So, um I'll just throw this out there. The other senior centers in Weber County, they do a $5 a month membership fee. They don't do any yearly or anything like that. But so that's just context on um what the other centers around us are doing. And then there might be one or two more slides.

Refresh me. What does a membership get you? So it would be access to the building and access to the programs and services. Okay. And it that's separate from the from the dinner. Yes. And so a person can still come to the dinner, pay the the or the lunch price and not be a member. Well, so so the lunch is an activity in the building. So in order to gain access to the activity, we would want you to be a member. Okay. Okay.

And and and so that's why we're looking at the the membership versus a lunch transaction or adding in resident non-resident on every transaction because one individual might have three different transactions that day. They might buy lunch, then they might go attend a couple different classes where if we get them on a membership, we get them one time when they first come in the door and it goes to everybody rather than a like if we just did the lunch program, we'd be missing almost half our people because they're not eating lunch, but they're coming to play cards or they're coming to do lapidary or ceramics or whatever. So, the membership thing, another reason why we we're looking at this is it gets everybody instead of just focusing on the one program.

Councelor Hansen, um I like that and I like the selling it because I think there's a lot of the younger people who take those people who would buy it as like a Christmas gift.

So even if it is kind of a big financial hit for people that are on limited incomes, if there's people who'd be willing to help them with it, you know, as a gift so that they can attend when they want to attend. The other thing that I was thinking about, and I've been thinking about it for a while, is um whether or not we would do it similar to what we do with the Roy complex where maybe we could work out partnerships with other cities that um we could offer their their residents the resident rate if they cover the other portion of the cost. And that may help us kind of build some goodwill and and build stronger relationships with some of the surrounding cities on that. But and I'd be willing to help with that to try to make contacts and be friends to make them convinced it's good. But

that that's a great idea. I haven't considered that financial hit, you know. Yeah, that's a great idea because the cities are not foreign to that. Like South Ogden's already paying into the terrace. Uh Roy is getting money from, I believe, West Haven and maybe Hooper. Anyway, yeah. And I think the I think the participants would probably could even help with some pressure on the cities to be like, I want to go there. Yeah. Will you go halfway with me? Yeah. Like help us out and maybe we can make those deals. And it doesn't have to live. I mean, we can do South Weieber and Dayton, North Davis County. That's a great idea. Yeah. I like that. Councelor Hos, did you have something or

Yeah. So, is is the um is this membership fee would that be replacing the fees for the programs? So, I the big one obviously is the the uh lunch So, yeah. So, so the direction we're headed is the the membership fee would get you access to the building and then any programs that you want to do, you still pay the applicable fee. So, currently the lunch fee is $4 for for 55 and older. Um, it it's not differentiated between residents and non-residents, and we're suggesting that we keep it at the $4. If we need to adjust adjust the lunch price, we can adjust the lunch price. But if we do a resident non-resident fee on the lunch, that's where my concern comes in because u we don't have staff taking money for lunch. We it it just presents a lot of issues. And so we would keep those fees in place. Um, this would just be an additional source of revenue, but it would also potentially um we have a ton of people. I mean, you saw the numbers, 554 that come from outside our city and we could collect a fee on that that that we're not currently collecting. Councelor Stevens.

Okay, help me out on this. Um, if we collect a fee, is it going to be city or RDA? So, this would be a city fee. It So, when we come to the council, we would for approval, we would come with a fee schedule change just like you guys saw tonight. Um, but it would be a new fee and we would implement it through that way. Um, I haven't gotten all the way down that road with Cody and and things like that. We'll probably put it in its own revenue GL so we can track it, things like that. But yes, it would be a city fee. Okay. Oh, director.

Yeah. No, absolutely. I I like where you're going with this and and I feel like it's a good idea because it for me it's like I'm surprised that we haven't already been doing it. It it makes logical sense to me. I like the idea of of giving a very strong discount to the resident. They're already supporting this with their tax dollars already, so I don't want to double dip them, but uh no, this makes complete sense to me.

Well, and and and just because of, you know, and you guys have come up with some pretty good ideas that we need to go back and think about, and that's why we wanted to have this discussion, but initially we were looking at low fees, like an annual pass that's really pretty low um just to get on the books, just to kind of see what it does. And so, but it gives us an avenue to kind of tweak and kind of look at as we want to to adjust for the services that we're providing over there, frankly. So, okay. Okay. Any other do you have anything else concerns or we're good? Thank you, council.

Okay. Um All right. We we will move on to the comments section of our meeting. Any comments from the city council? Councelor Haw, I have just have a question. You're you said that you're meeting with uh UD do this week. They seem to have been very absent recently.

Yeah. I mean, it's been a few months since they've been here. And I think the last time they were here, they talked about 5600 and Riverdale Road exit. not our 4,400. They cancelled the meeting, the um kickoff meeting that they were going to do at and they have not seem to have rescheduled it. They are obviously way behind. And so I I'm just I'm disappointed not just in the fact that they're not getting things done, but I'm disappointed in the fact that they're not coming to us as a council and explaining what's going on and what they're doing, what we can, you know, what more we can expect, that kind of stuff. So I would hope that you would uh you know pass along those uh feelings to them.

Yeah, thank you. I I will invite them to our next meeting. Uh the previous meeting was a little bit hostile. Um and because it was our first finding out of what was happening and uh you know there was a lot of talk, oh we'll fix this, we'll fix this and and anyway, yeah, we're going to invite them to come now in front of you guys and presented a public meeting exactly what's going on because I don't know if their messaging online has kind of dropped any dates and just gotten a little bit vague to their their announcements or

Yeah. In fact, the the most recent I I haven't looked at the very most recent email, but one of the prior emails that I saw um they don't have the roads set up, right? They still have Cozy Dale going where it used to go. Yeah. So, I they should fix that. Yeah. Thank you. But yeah, we'll talk about that tomorrow. That's been disappointing.

Yeah. very much so. And and they they have uh offered to to maybe sit down with the businesses and we'll we'll approach that tomorrow, too, because um I don't know what they can offer our businesses, but they did offer to work with Mr. Cooper just a little bit and try and facilitate some sort of business meeting to let them know what's going to happen during our Christmas season. Um but it's going to be so bad. I don't know why the businesses would really want to. I mean, we know what's going to happen. It's not really They can't offer them much. Council Richtor, 20 minutes it took me to get from from Roy to like the Sinclair on Riverdale coming down and that was just yesterday afternoon normal day. This is not busy timeber,

right? There there there is no outlet. It's it's incred and when you read their emails as councelor Haw just indicated their due date is this is expected to continue for several months and that's it. And the freeway will be bringing the customers to Trader Joe's. It's it's crazy. Uh that alone will be thousands of people a day. Yeah, I I think it will be thousands of people every day coming down Riverdale Road and then going back out to the freeways. So yeah, it's a problem. Thanks. What else? Council Hansen,

um we had talked, it's been a little while ago, um about adding to the 1500 West sign, maybe a historic name sign to kind of maintain some of our Riverdale history up in that area. I was just thinking about it again now that hopefully when the bridge gets opened up and the roads open that we if if it's something we could put on the agenda or even have um I know she's not local anymore but our historian come and maybe share some information on the names of other roads or some ideas of you know that area of what might be some appropriate names just so that we don't lose it.

Yeah. because I don't know. I like to still see some of our history even though we've lost it visually. At least there's reminders, you know. Yeah, I was in favor of that when she brought it to us. And so, Mr. Brooks, did you get that? I did. Mayor. Okay. We'll let D get that on a future agenda. Okay. Council Richtor, I'm sorry. One more thing. I I'm wondering if we might be able also to utilize our survey software that we currently have to Yeah. because I understand it's not going to necessarily change the project, but I think it would be an opportunity for our citizens to make comments that we could then share with you do as well, use that tool to solicit those uh those comments.

Yeah, we can definitely work with that and and Miss Maronei, will you maybe reach out to councelor Richtor and just see, you know, what you're thinking exactly details wise and then we can absolutely go forward from there. strong arm you do up. Good luck. Anybody else? All right. Uh comments from the city staff.

I don't. Mayor, the only thing if I could say something. Um just so everybody's aware, I want to give a thanks to Casey. Um I've had him working on that Trader Joe's opening here for a few weeks now. Um you'll see our guys out there in full force at least for the first little while. Um, we've reached out to all the businesses in the area as well as the other cities and stuff, just kind of notifying them and and we've got a plan all mapped out. Hopefully it all goes well, but you know, we just don't know. We don't know what this crowd's going to be like. We're anticipating for the worst and and hoping for the best. So, um, you'll see them out there in strong force on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, but thanks to Casey as as usual. He always does a good job. So, I just wanted to thank him publicly before maybe I should wait until after Friday and see how it goes, but uh I'll do it for now and um just say thanks to him and and our law enforcement and Sean's guys as well. There'll be a lot of street markings uh no left turns and things like that. So, we'll see how it goes, but it'll it'll be interesting. It'll be a good test for our guys.

Yeah, that's all I got. Mayor, thanks. Yeah, I've heard they've talked to RC Willie about possible parking and the church and all kinds of stuff. So, yeah, this is going to make raising canes look like it is gonna make it look

okay. I was on the planning commission when um um In-N-Out Burger opened. And one of the things that the from In-N-Out um presented, he says when an In-N-Out goes in, the businesses immediately around it have a 15% minimum increase of of business in in their in their activities of whatever whatever it is. And I'm just I'm just curious now for a you know being next to a furniture store, this is I'm sure kind of a um a win-win, but are other businesses going to try to parlay this activity? I think that because if they're here for one place, I could see visitors stopping other places on in while they're while they're in the area.

Yeah. I know Ken Garf is hoping that when people come down from Idaho, they'll stop by and look at some cars while they're stopping in from either Wyoming or Idaho to visit the Trader Joe's. So, uh hopefully it's massive. Hopefully, we can get somebody in RC really building. Um I hope it it generates some interest in that, you know, just the traffic alone. So, yeah. So, yeah, good point. Uh okay. Uh well, I don't have anything else. So, with that, we would need a motion to adjurnn. So, move a motion. We have a second. Second. All in favor say yes. Yes. We are adjourned. That whole building RC Willie all the way down to Chuck-E-Cheese is going to go down pretty much empty. Is the drive still there? on track.