City Council - Regular Meeting

Uh, you and Leon got into a tussle and you lost. He would have lost. He would have lost. Who's this? Called Kyle. Dave Higginson. How you doing? Good. So, that's a question you have to do with Hi, how are you? shoulder for the second time.

Hi. So, you've been abusing your wife. actually really

rotator cuff. Well, I've got trigger fingers. What is that? Wow. Did they do it here? It came from Well, Dr. Larson is retired, so he didn't do it. Got worried there when he showed me his plan. Right. I like this. official on the what was approved. Dr. Larson, he was our he was our best friend.

He did my back years ago. Then when Miriam got off, we had it going all the way with us and they pulled it back. I may just email you that got bucked off a shovel and she was working in the garden. Yeah, she was working in the garden. She hit a rock or something and she lost her balance. Yes, that was last year. I was disappointed. It happens. First shoulder.

You said something. This is the actual First time I had my back surgery 30 was when I lived here the first time I don't know around 30 I herniated a disc and so I did that and then I uh then I reinjured it when we moved back

that was about five or six years later and then it's my back's been okay since was probably about 41 when I had it done the last Where do you want to sit you guys want to sit on the outside where's the best place for Leon where's the best place for you to sit we have to tell from seeing way before 7:30 Where is the best place for you to sit?

Hi. Nice to meet you. You looked up the comprehensive. Yeah. So yes, I was like that was very qualified. I believe I believe this. I'm telling you this is the boss. Nice to meet you. Let me give you this. I can dig into it. I promise

whether they agree or not. At least I'm trying to fulfill my commitment and change that

I can look it up again. You feel like there

only So hopefully that's only 12 West. 12.

It didn't It didn't say that. Used to have to sign up. I like

they show up when they finish that

heard. So

whatever approved you have kids. I'm going to come back. I refer to presum

for what? 40 years. I've known you for

I came here in 2000. That's a good question. Yeah, I just we moved here about late

80s late 80s when we moved here. I just wanted anyway. And so I just went apolog It's because we have

those are big. Those are big. But people wanted affordable housing. It's hard to mix those. It's always it's always about I always say no it's always the younger generation like the older generation says we like it and so we're going to throw the ladder off so no one else can get that good because that's already

that's I'm not changing anything that's already in there so I'm just conforming They have them overind. I guess a little, you know, somewhere that I believe that every area should have a little bit green area. I would think a little totally Anyway,

I don't think I've They only have

no long but they have two exits because normally you can't you can't do more than 30 units if you don't have two by coming. They only had one exit. That would be a surprise to me. Oh, you're saying have two exits, but both of them exit to seven. Yeah. And that that it's just like if you have two exits going to 12, like a lot of property have two exits to 12. Yeah. As long as they have two exit doesn't they don't record.

So, so I've talked to the city many times. They've never mentioned they would have only had one. You got to figure out a way to give them another. had met with Alan so many times and with Keith the city engine the city public works anyway probably would have brought that up but I'm gonna ask him because I don't we could facilitate another that's what they need oh you know

I don't think so but let me ask questions to the north. So, how do we I'm sure that well

I have a feeling you text And you know this is supposed to only twice this will be number three

this is here. So where where is their road?

So this is a road. It's a private end right there. Yeah, that's a road 24. That's not We just have to find a way. They need to connect. She and they've got to go to their property and I go to mine. You go to your property. Wouldn't there be a bridge? We have to do a canal. Oh, that's right. So, there's nothing. I bet I bet a canal like that's expensive. Oh, yeah. That's not I mean, I'll just tell my engineers.

I I just But I never heard that because don't they have So, I don't understand. Don't they have two exits? No, they only have one. You guys always like it's a

county this So we can hear the thing. How you doing?

I love your fish. bigger. Okay, so here's what we did. Hey Vern, how are you doing? Good. Are you about here?

Okay, thank you. No, you're fine. We just wanted to As long as you make it, we're happy. You want one of these? Thank you. Okay. Got a chair for you here. Is your wife here? No. You're representing her. Yeah. They're just

involved. Are you uh were you able to get off? We desperately need you if you could.

I think Katie Joe sent you a link by email. She sent one by email. So you can just use that to link in. So you can participate. Thanks Dan. I have

Yeah. In the original document in the actual

I know we just search for pointed out as artistic. 43 years.

It's time Yes. There you go. Last minute. There you go.

Okay. It like looks like we have a quorum. We've been waiting. We apologize.

Hey, we'd like to welcome to you to our planning and zoning meeting this evening. Door dash. Thank you. We're happy to see you all here. I'm sorry we didn't get started on time, but we are ready to go now. I would like to welcome you to our planning and zoning meeting April 16th. Hey folks, we're going to get going here. We getting cut a hole in there. Okay. Okay. We will begin with a pledge of allegiance and Tammy lead us in that.

I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Um, it doesn't look like the mayor's here, so go ahead. Um, Katie with the commissioner roll call, please. Randall Kemp, Sally Smith, here. Aaron Richards, Jim Lawrence, Bruce Casper, McKay Francis here, Ryan here. Burn Mir here. Dan Hannah,

Tammy Gettis here. And Dan is supposed to be on Zoom. Okay. Did he raise his hand or anything? We need to check. We need confirmation before we Yeah. Dan, are you there? I wonder if he's muted. He's online, so I know he's there, but he's ask Can you hear me?

Is there a normal normal level? mute him for

and then Alan, will you go and why don't you get him on the phone and see if he's in a position in which he can participate? He said he was. She is very

Come over here. Let's make Hey, we're getting cross or whatever. We can hear your full conversations. Okay. Try muting it, but you need to respond when she asks if you're there so we can get you on the roll call. Ask him if he's in a position to participate. Okay. Okay. Do that and then put it on mute and then we'll go from there. Thanks. He responded then to the roll call. Call his name again.

Dan Hannah. Dan, are Hey, Spencer Reynold here. Are you in a position where you can participate in the meeting?

Okay. And so we're just gonna if you could just uh if there's verbally just respond if you could just get that without just because we're getting some crossover conversation and then if there's just if you have any questions, concerns, comments to make just Okay. And then it looks like you maybe just drop back off. Can you can you get back on?

Okay. Thanks, I appreciate watching when he gets on. We need that to have a and he stated to me that he's in a position he's in a position to to listen hear it and the only thing he says would be if he would have to step out there's just some background noise to ask questions and he's indicated he can do that so I comfortable okay go ahead can you call it one more time Dan Hannah

can you un is he unmuted I'm on. Okay. No, go ahead and mute him and then Dan will step off if he has questions concerned and he says he'll signal or he'll be able to signal and then do that. So get cross over. So Justin go ahead and mute that that noise there. Okay. And again he's he's given insuranceances that he can hear the discussion and is able to participate. So, uh, no issues moving forward on my end. Okay.

Okay. Um, we need an approval of the planning and zoning minutes for March 19th, 2026. I think everybody was here that night.

I submit a motion that we approve the minutes from our last meeting. on March 19th. March 19th. I second the motion. Thank you. Okay, we have a motion and it's been seconded. Any other discussion or correction to the minutes? Okay, seeing none, all in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay.

All right. Thank you. Okay. Um, we have a public hearing tonight as you're well aware. Um this is uh the Diaz and or Steiner property as it's known and this is a reszone from Euro residential 2 to LDR2 and LDR3 properties located at approximately 401 south 12 west. The application is to reszone approximately 15 acres from rural residential 2 to low density residential 2 and low density residential three. Uh Marco Diaz is the the presenter and do are we gonna hear from Alan Bur from the

Yeah, just quickly

just a couple uh housekeeping again. Appreciate you folks being out here. I know again it's it's spring break, so I think we have some people out of town again. Appreciate your time here. Appreciate the developers time here with uh with starting a few minutes late. appreciate the commission being here and then having both McKay and Dan uh available online. Uh quickly, uh just some housekeeping. Number one, we're going to limit public comment to three minutes, which again is uh is our standard and enforceable through president through uh the Idaho Supreme Court. And so we can limit that comment to three minutes and we don't allow you to defer time to others. So it's a three minutes per individual. Um, next, uh, I was made aware, uh, that Commissioner Gettis, uh, we're going to I was made aware that you, uh, had one conversation, uh, with an individual, uh, from the community. Is that correct?

Yes. Okay. I'm just going to ask you a couple clarifying questions uh, for the record. Um, who did you speak with? Sheree Barton. Okay. And, uh, when did that conversation take place? Today. Okay. And what was the nature of that conversation? She had questions about the packet and she there was a map at the beginning and so she was asking why that map was being shown at the beginning. Okay. Was there any substantive conversation about uh the proposal itself or the spec specific facts of uh tonight's proposal? Only clarification.

Okay. And about how long did this conversation take place? I don't know 20 minutes part about zoning maybe less but okay so what fair enough to say that it was intermingled between other discussion okay but more just procedural of when the meeting was taking place and what was being discussed yes but not the merits of the actual discussion not merits of it at all okay is there anything um from that conversation that would affect your ability to be impartial in this proceeding there's nothing from it that would make that happen Okay. And can would you say that the substance of that conversation as it pertains to this project has now been fully disclosed on the record?

Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. So Alan, are we going to hear from you or do we want to hear from the applic?

Hello. Thank you for coming out. Um As I mentioned a few months ago when we did this the first time on the B

Oh, my name Marco Diaz. Uh 10999 South Birch Creek Road in South Jordan, Utah. That's it. So, uh, when we did this the first time ago, uh, our first time, um, we were looking to, uh, reszone the Birch property and, uh, and change the intermediate, uh, excuse me, the comprehensive plan to intermediate residential. As you may recall, that was not approved, well, it was approved through the planning commission, but not approved to the city council. So, we we moved and kept it all low residential or yeah, uh, low residential, sorry, low residential. Now we are coming before you. I I handed out uh and again I made it clear with the Spencer that that I understand the commissioners are not voting on a plan or on a project. They're voting on reszoning uh spec specifically just a rezone portion. But the reason why I handed out a little bit of a site plan, a concept plan to many of you um was because I wanted you to know uh the first meeting uh many of you asked me what was the plan with the Steiner property. And now that we're back to the Steiner property as we've gone through the um the reszone of the Birch property, I wanted to to each of you to know that uh again, I'm a town home developer. I do town home, twin homes kind of thing. But because I committed that uh these would be single family lots. I again that's our goal. That's our intent and I wanted to close the loop with you. Um the second piece is that um is there any way of putting the comprehensive plan up here. Um as I mentioned earlier uh our goal when we we came before you with the Birch property was to um change the comprehensive plan. Now, we're not trying to change the comprehensive plan at all. We're just following the

comprehensive plan. So, if you look at that, that I don't know, mustard color, if you will, right there, the comprehensive plan already shows intermediate residential. And so we're sticking to what has already been approved by the planning commission, what has already been debated. And uh so we're sticking with uh leaving that as intermediate residential and the color and that which is in yellow, we're asking for an LDR2. And again, these are smaller about 8 to 9,000 square foot lots. So a little less than a quarter acre lots is what we're proposing there. But again, those are those would be single family. And if you haven't gotten one of these, um, like I say in the bottom, they're single family lots and and I bought I brought like a dozen copies and I can give those to you. But again, I understand that at this meeting, we're not voting for a project. We're just But I like I said, I'm I'm just trying to clarify that we're

Can I interrupt you for a second? Yes, sir. Make just a quick You bet.

Again, and I appreciate him giving me a second to do that. So, I'm just going to advise again members of uh the planning commission that any specific discussion that he has about the project is not to be uh analyzed or frankly it should be disregarded by you. Again, he has rights to be able to say and uh and to make a presentation. Uh again, he understands that you cannot uh base your decision based on those specific plans. At any point a developer can sell uh and again we are dealing with land use and so again as we look at a zone change uh legally you look at accordance with the comprehensive plan uh impacts on public services uh type and intensity of allowed uses compatibility with surrounding land uses long-term use patterns policy again uh public health safety and welfare uh that are impacted through the delivery of systems and then any spot zoning issues. Again, things that are improper and improper basis for this uh committee to discuss is or to base a decision on is specific uh site plan details, any promises made by the developer in regards to design and even statements like this will be very nice or you'll like the landscaping, things like that. That is not a matter that this board should take into. um uh into consideration when making a decision uh and in any of your analysis or conversations today. Uh the developer understands that and again uh he's been open with me and we've had dialogue back and forth. He understands that and he actually knew that I was going to do this as well. So thank you

and I appreciate Spencer. Uh I want like he says he called balls and strikes and I appreciate that from him. So um my in conclusion what I'm trying to convey even though like I I told Spencer earlier today this concept plan is just so that the neighbors know that I am true to my word as I said the first time about two two and a half months ago when we first met in this in this meeting that um even though I normally do town homes we kind of varied from that because of my commitment to to the neighbors. However, having said that, um we are sticking with the the comprehensive plan as has been approved, meaning uh the IR the mustard color being uh intermediate residential and our plan shows that. So, we're asking for the minimum of IR which is an LDR3 and in the other which is about a third of the project and in the other two/ird it's a single family lots that would we we're requesting smaller single family lots. That's why we're requesting LDR2. So, um, that's all I have. So, I, um, I'll answer any questions after the public comments. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, commissioners, thank you for your time and your showing up today. We know this was a difficult time with spring break. We appreciate the effort you guys have put forth for this. U this was presented to staff in an application and has brought forward to us the request as stated by the applicant. Uh a pro a little over five acres in that east portion of it in the intermediate residential. He's requesting going from the RR2 rural residential 2 to LDR3. The remaining 10 acres approximately he's requesting from R2 to an LDR2. Staff has reviewed this. We have looked at it as far as uh ability of the city to service it with sewer water and we can do that. Uh there will be requirements for the roads to provide safety and and protection for the residents where they will have to have multiple exits and things like that. Again, we've looked at it and there are options to be able to do that and staff has signed off on all of this and has recommended it to you for appro to to recommend approval to city council. So, if you have any questions,

okay, thank you. Okay, thank you. Uh we'll open the uh public hearing at this time. Um if if you would like to speak about the proposal um first of all we'll have those who are for the proposal come forward state their name and address and again we'll try to stay to the three minutes and enforce that and the other try we're going to oh we're going to Will you be my timer tonight Spencer? I'll do it.

Okay. All right. And the and the other thing that we would hope that you would respect is if someone else has has talked about a certain thing, not to repeat it. Um because usually we know that you're you know you're here either way for the same thing. So we'll go ahead and open the public hearing and anyone who would like to speak in favor of the proposal can come now up in to the microphone now. Okay. Seeing none, anyone who would like to speak neutral to the proposal. Okay. Anyone who would like to speak against the proposal?

Go ahead.

Katie, I don't have that sheet. right here.

I didn't know I was going to be first. I'm not I'm not well prepared or anything, but go ahead and stay.

I'm Brent Brent Moing. My address is 1129 Golden Willow Circle, which is in the neighborhood um the Willowbrook neighborhood adjacent to this proposed land change or zoning change area. Uh, no. I um so yes, I'm a against the change. Um, seems like we've been here multiple times. Um, the I guess a couple of things I would just say. I guess I haven't heard or understand a compelling reason for the change. I understand that I I feel like the burden and the onus would be upon um somebody proposing the change to make a very strong compelling reason reason for a change because because the things as they are people have invested much uh obviously money and life and uh to establish their families in certain locations given the current how things are. Um, and so I'd like to just put that out there as a question. I haven't heard a compelling reason to make this change. Furthermore, obviously, one of the significant concerns would be increased traffic flow throughout the whole region over there, excuse me, excuse me, on 12 West. And in in that this new proposed neighborhood as well as our neighbor adjacent neighborhood there would be significant impact very significant impact to traffic uh and and danger to children and such because of the high increased intensity of traffic. Also, um the I I guess again I I would just propose it's interesting that

the change is so far from an RR2 wanting to go all the way to LDR2 and and three seems extreme to me. I mean, if there's any reason for a change in the first place, um it seems like it would maybe go potentially one notch uh higher density and instead of jumping to such extremes. Um, and again, I know our community, you know, appears to be growing significantly and and I think I've heard in the past some discussions of, well, we need more housing options and such, and that's true, but there's there are lots of different options currently in our community spread throughout the the community. Um, and there needs to be options of all kinds. and the the type of neighborhood and the type of zoning that this area has been provides for a certain type of housing options for families at different stages of their growth and economic means. Uh and so I I am afraid we may be going too far the other direction as a community providing so many high density housing areas. We need some of that for sure, right? For people at different stages of life. But um those are some of my thoughts on it. And I just want to let you know that I am uh opposed to it. Thank you.

Okay. Anyone else who'd like to speak or is opposed? My name's Heather Tate. I live at 455 Twisted Willow and I'm against. I grew up in suburbia, California. I came up here for college and I've stayed um ever since because I've liked the small town feel and the quiet nature of Rexburg. My husband and I have ha have five kids. I homeschool all of them and we've lived here for about 20 years now. We live in the neighborhood and on the road that would be extended into the nude subdivision on Twisted Willow. Though I understand we have needs for expanding housing in the Rexburg area for the college. Um, I do feel concerned about what will happen to our neighborhood with this much expansion and the additional road. Growing up in suburbia in a neighborhood with high population backyard backyards backto-back, there tended to be more traffic and less safety for children, pedestrians, and families. We moved into the community that we did here in Rexburg because we value the safety and freedoms that can be felt from raising children in a less busy crowded street or crowded street. If this road opens and the housing for high volumes of people is developed, the street that we live on will go from almost no traffic to high volume. I'm both concerned for safety and infrastructure reasons. I know you want to encourage more growth, but you also want to keep the peaceful families that are already in existence here. I would like to propose that the housing um put in place will be at a lower density. I also would like to request the road not be opened on Twisted Willow for our already established community. I know I'm not the only one who appreciates the quiet nature of the street and the opportunities to feel safer in raising kids here, allowing opportunities to play and have freed freedoms that you don't see in other cities. I would prefer we don't turn Rexburg into suburbia. Thank you.

Uh David Higginson, I live at 1120 Green Willow Drive. So, my property actually backs into this property that they're proposing to develop. Um, concerns I have are must to save that have been expressed. Uh, I'm very much concerned about the traffic that's going to be coming through. If I have a pointer, does anybody have a pointer? No pointer. Um the road that uh she was talking about is the road that uh that's right. That's where her house is right there on the corner. Mine's down about where the G is on Green Willow. And I'm very much concerned the traffic I spoke with you last time. We did a review of a development on the next piece over of the additional traffic on 12 West that somehow somebody needs to grab the bull by the horns and do some additional development on that that street, but getting to that street is just as big a problem. And uh I really uh like the idea of of blocking off Twisted Willow and requiring that all this development property take the exit uh be it one or two exits out of the property not going through the existing subdivision for the reason that have already been indicated. The other concern I have is I'd like a clarification on the LDR2. what uh and I'm not familiar enough uh probably you gentlemen could tell us what is the maximum uh occupancy or the size that those lots can be uh I really appreciate Mr. ideas design here. Do you know that

7,260 square feet per lot? 7,000. So 8,000 square ft less than 7,26. My lot's about uh 16,000. So it's about half of that. But, um, my concern is that by approving this, we would open it up. Even though he's laid out this plat that says he's going to put in some nice quarter acre lots, that he then changes his mind and says, "Okay, I know that was a good idea, but now I'm going to put uh four uh threestory apartments in there and not something that we want." So, that can't happen. You're telling me? No, we cannot.

Okay. So, I am opposed to the development. I really like my view out the back. Uh, one of the things that uh was promised many years ago is that uh our subdivision would be able to be maintain the county environment, the same look that it's had in the past. And I know things change, but like Brent commented on, it would be nice to change those slowly, one click at a time instead of ramping up two or three uh clicks at one time. And so I would vote to oppose this and hope that you would do the same.

Thank you.

My name is Charlene Evans. I live at 215 West 440 South. I'd like to bring into light and I'm opposed against this. Um some things that I think we haven't taken into consideration is there is nowhere else in our city where one road sustains three schools. One of them being the major school of the area where all children that are in public education attend school there. are that road sustains Burton Elementary, the high school and the soontobe charter school. There also is only two entrances into any type of commerce at this point except for Fall River Medical. So that means any medical services or emergency services or grocery services or anything else. there are only two entrances for the amount of people that you're proposing would in um habitate that area. That seems like a lot of people that have two entrances into anything that they need. So, I would suggest that you take a look at that and um consider that greatly. Thank you for your time.

John Paul Johnson, 2412 West, 880 South. Um, a lot of what I wanted to say has been said, the the traffic problems in the neighborhoods, the traffic problems with 12 West. Um, and like Charlene just said, the traffic problems getting to the rest of the city. We're cut off by Highway 20 out there on the west side of the city and there's no uh really near-term solution. There's not another um another way across the highway. There probably won't be for the next 20 years. Um with the the reszoning that has been approved this year, um we're talking about another 500 plus units um able to be built on 12 West. Um and uh now this one would be another 140 or so. Um not that that's what's in the plan um that Mr. Diaz shared, but um you know, he could sell it and someone else could develop it to 140 units. Um, and uh, yeah, I just think uh, even if you fix the traffic problems on 12 West, um, you know, locally, I I just don't know what you can do. People can't get off of 12 West and into town. There are no jobs on the west side or hardly any jobs on the west side of of Highway 20 and um, no hospital, no grocery stores like like Charlene was saying. And uh no sidewalks on 12 West. I know um you've heard me say it before, but I ride my bike on 12 West and it's a scary proposition. Um there's a shoulder for part of the road. Um but if you have a lot of young families here uh that need to walk into the city, then there's no there's no way other than uh to walk along the shoulder of 12 West. Thank

you.

Thank you. Steve Kimple, uh, 2313 West, 440 South. Um, it's the question that I raised, and it's probably a little bit more of a question, but as we increase the population, those are choices that we can make, but I don't know that we have a lot of a choice on when um the connection to Seventh South would be made. Everybody's alluded to that. I don't know if if Rexburg has any um control over that. So, we have the opportunity to make some decisions about slowing the growth, but I don't know if we have the ability if that growth continues to go at that rate. It seems to me that's more of a state project.

Thank you.

Brent Harris, 1125 Woodison Lane, Rexburg. I just like to read what intermediate residential is defined as in the comprehensive plan says intermediate residential areas will typically develop across the city especially as a transition also known as the missing middle between low and high residential areas and other more intense uses such as commercial and mixed use. These areas are intended to to develop and this is the critical sentence as complete neighborhoods with smallcale services and public amenities within walking distance. I don't think that applies this. Where are the amenities? Where are they going to walk to? I don't think uh intermediate residential is applied correctly according to the comprehensive plan in this case. Thank you.

Thank you.

I'm Tyler Barton. I live at 1076 Green Willow, so very close to uh where the proposed changes would be made. Um, I I I I'm concerned about um, you know, changing the comprehensive plan drastically. It's there for a reason, as others have stated. And, uh, I I I I wonder why I'm I'm wondering why we've skipped over LD LDR1, which is which is four acres, I'm sorry, four uh, lots per acre. Uh, I mean that would even be an improvement. U, another point I'd like to make is in the Willowbrook subdivision, there are 14 lots um that are lying right now. Um, we've been there almost 20 years. We haven't seen a lot of progress, but we've seen some progress at different times. We're going to have 14 for the potential for 14 more families with cars and children uh in that area on Twisted Willow, which is going to dramatically add to the the use of that that road in addition to whatever we don't know would be added to that um you know, if if this um change was made. So, um, my wife and I are in opposition, uh, to this. We recognize that, um, pro progress is going to happen in our in our fair town. We just, we just are concerned that we're getting the the cart before the horse, especially out along this 12th West corridor. I mean, if you've ever been there during uh you know, time to to when the kids are getting to school

or leaving school, it's it's a mess. It's a mess and and there's potential for safety issues. Um, you know, and I don't know that those things in reality would happen, but the potential is there for for for uh, you know, problems. I just think we need to consider some changes to 12 West, dramatic changes, before we make any of these decisions affecting these pieces of property. And thank you for your time.

Foot's asleep. Um, Jordan Tate, four uh 455 Twisted Willow. I am opposed to this for purely selfish reasons, and I'll admit that. I don't want my road to be extended. I want the traffic to stay quiet where I live. That being said, I believe there's a lot of merit to the argument um that there do need to be zones in Rexburg, places in Rexburg that are specifically for family homes. And I understand in Rexburg 70 77 I think percent of the properties in Rexburg are not occupied with their owners. That the vast majority of homes in Rexburg are rentals. I get that. The vast majority of properties. Um but there are still a number of us that want to live here that own homes and want to stay. And there needs to be sections in the city that are specifically designed for homes and homes alone. I uh I don't see any reason to jump all the way up to LDR2 or three where he could put and and not not to impugn Mr. Diaz's character at all or anything. I'm sure he's one of the good guys, but I have seen developers that get zoned uh you know, push on the city council, get zoning for a higher density than they claim they're going to put, and then once the zoning gets changed, they're able to put more units on and make more money. And let's be clear and honest about that. He's a developer. he's in business to make money and he will maximize whatever value he can out of the property. So, if we're going to zone it to where he can put up to six units per acre on, then there's a likelihood or at least a possibility that he will do that. That once it's approved, he'll change the plan and come back and say, "Oh, yeah, we're going to put some more units on there than we originally planned." So, I I'm I'm not against homes being developed in in uh in John's land. I I get it. He can do whatever he wants with his with his land. He can sell it to whomever he pleases, and they can do whatever they like with it, but I I

don't see a reason to jump all the way up to a a density of zoning that allows for more units than is claiming on the plan, if that makes sense. If he's claiming that they're going to be quarteracre lots, then there's no reason for us not to zone it. um uh for uh four four units per acre. So that's my thought. Thanks. My name is Sheree Barton. I live at um I can't even pick my address. I'm so nervous. 1076 Green Willow Drive. Yeah. Um I I guess I I I'm just confused why we keep revisiting this um same I mean I don't know if it's been about five years or more that we've been coming and and saying the same thing. I if we truly are um Rex birds, you know, America's family community, we get to determine what we are going to allow in our city and to have a developer that's not even living in our state come in and try to dictate what is going to happen on that land. I understand that if you don't get enough homes on that land, you're not going to be able to make the money that you need to be able to build the roads and the other infrastructure that has to happen. But in at the end of the day, I bought my halfacre land and I'm sure the price on that land paid for all the roads and all the infrastructure that was developed for the land that I bought. And I I feel like as if we truly are America's family community, we get to decide if we're going to have Rentburg or Rexburg. And right now it's heavily Rentburgg. So I would urge you to help um support the the motto that our city

has that we can have have more family dwellings in our community. Thank you. One was Southwick 375 South 12 West. The property that is being considered here is LR, excuse me, is rural residential to. Um, the property next to it is LT is rural residential one and I'd feel much more comfortable if this were LDR1 than LDR2 because it impacts our property next to it which is rural residential one. I also have a question about the road. This shows a road going down to 12 West. Um, I understood that that roadway was too narrow for a road and it shows it looks like the there has been a line drawn in into

Lonnie Gillson's property. Has somebody bought that or obtained a right of way for that property? The um subdivision would be much more acceptable if it were LDR1 rather than LDR2. He's taller than I am. Leon Parson, 298 South 12 West. I am opposed to this resoning. As John Johnson said, 500 homes proposal on just that one little section. When we were working on the two roads, traffic was backed up from the valleywide to our house at a half a mile of backed up cars because the light, even if we put a four lane there or a three lane, it will steal with this many people every day. There'll be that many cars. It's a no-brainer. Don't let them bleed. The thing about that's been mentioned is renters. Once a rental home is built, that's who lives in it. If you build a home that can be sold, that's the kind of people that will buy it. There's a something to think about. It's a stewardship thing to this community, the responsibility for the well-being of the people that live here. Now,

I think we should build a park on that side of the freeway. Just consider that under planning and zoning meetings. A city park. Serious.

That's a third thing. It's a wonderful place. Rexburg is Gordon B. Hinckley said in 1983 at a uh regional state conference, he did this in his talk. He stopped. He said, "This area is the most choice place on earth." Apostle of God said that. And then he said, "And you people should not take it for granted." Now I know the people are going to move here. This new temple is bringing people from all over the world. They'll be good people. Let me say one more thing about Rexburg, especially if anybody's just new to the area. Spring doesn't come until the third week in May. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. Anyone else who would like to speak against the proposal?

Neil Carter, 441 Twisted Willow. Just also opposed to this. Um the one thing that hasn't been brought up is that we still have the congestion from from the meadows and that this reszoning would also wind up having that pull into this whole neighborhood as well. Um, so that that's another concern. I echo what's been said by the others. I won't repeat it, but I echo those those sentiments. So, thank you. Okay. Okay.

I'm Amber Colonies. Isa 544 Golden Willow. And I just want to echo everything that's been said. I won't repeat anything. Just want you to know that I am opposed to this change. Thank you.

And I'm even shorter. So Kathy Parson at 298 South 12 West on 12 And when it said that this part, the five acres that's next to the freeway that's he wants to put as what? LDR3 cuz it's already there. The meadows was a mistake. I don't know if any of you are old enough to have been here when they started it. We've been through it all. It still was a mistake to let that go and have the problem there. So, as has been said, it would just be more of a problem. Thank you. Oh, I'm opposed.

Okay, I think we got everybody on the list. Is there anyone else who would like to speak opposed? I don't want to double dip, but I just I just wanted to ask a clarifying question if Mr. Diaz wouldn't mind

get a chance for a rebuttal. Um, I'm just curious if there was anything particular about this particular piece of land uh that made you guys decide to settle on this for the Utah Development Group or have you been looking at other pieces in Rexburg or do you have multiple projects in the in the works? I'm curious to know about that. Um, yeah, let's Yeah. So, okay. Is there any there is there anyone online then? No one online who would like to to speak. Okay. All right. I guess we got everyone then. Um,

yeah. Well, that was a neutral. And then there were Evans. The Evans. We had Charlene and Michael Evans written down. Charlene spoke. Oh, you did speak. I didn't get your name for both of them. Okay. Gee, I really was I thought I got it one. Okay. We will go ahead then and close the uh public input part of our meeting and we will give the applicant a chance for rebuttal.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Um I'll answer your question first. So, and first of all, thank you for your feedback. Uh you know, that's part of the process, right? Uh not, you know, I've been through this many times and I appreciate, you know, the frankness and we we went through the same process with uh the Birch property. So, I'll start with your question. So, initially we were just looking at buying the birch property. However, um the city requires that we have a secondary entrance. So, to answer or to address your wife's qu uh question that we wish that could continue just being blocked off, the only way that that a property or any whether it be a single family development or a multif family development is allowing that road to go through. So then uh while we were in the midst of purchasing the Birch property um the Steiner property came available and and someone else could have bought it and and we would have waited till they developed it and but we thought well we got to create a a secondary entrance or exit and that's why we ended up buying or in uh have it under contract currently to um connect the neighborhood because the city required now if there was another which Alan Alaska there is no other way there is another way to find another exit and we wouldn't have to purchase that we would be fine with that but obviously the city wants roads to be connected and that is the way to connected in any case so let me address so oh let me answer the remaining question so as it's been mentioned um I also find Rexford attractive even though I'm a Utah developer I'm LDS as well not that that matters but Uh you're right uh that the growth of a new temple here will bring people from all over. Uh not just because as you know um the

university continues to grow. They're projected to have 32,000. I went to BYU Provo and pre BYU Provos remained the same about for the last 30 years. I graduated 1994 and it was about 30,000 31,000. It remains about the same. Not so with Rexburg or BYU Idaho. Now, um it started with maybe 5,000 and it continues to grow every year and it's projected in the next few years to hit 32,000. Right now, this year it hit an all-time high of 25,000. So, it will continue to grow significantly over just a few more years because the church is not only investing in the university but obviously in a new temple. Having said that, um what we normally try to do and again this may not the reason why this was attractive and the reason we have another project also in the city of Rexburg right next door to the new temple the the Teton River temple and and again um and so we're moving forward with that. The reason why this piece was attractive because not just on the meadow side, but on the other side, you'll see there along um what is that? Highway 20 I think it is. Along Highway 20 uh on both sides, not just on the west side, there is apartments, there are town homes because most of the time people that have large nice homes like you do don't want to be right up against the freeway. And so so younger people, uh, students, uh, young couples, young professionals, they know they rather not be there, but they can't afford anything else. And so that's why they choose, you know, that's why you see in most cities next to the freeway, that's where they put their higher density. So, um, this this section here was not something that I, uh, this was there long before I got involved. uh the

the planning commission um be maybe before you uh these good planning commissioners uh approved that. I don't know how long has that been approved, Alan? It was in the county. It's the county. It was in the county. So the Oh, okay. The county uh the comp plan was approved about 22 23.

Okay. So about three three four years ago. So, um, and so when we when we put this property under contract, it wasn't that we're trying to, uh, someone mentioned about why the big jump. Well, that is under intermediate residential. That is the lowest density. Even though people say, well, why can't you go any less? Because that is the lowest density under intermediate residential. Now, there's MDR1, MDR2, there is higher density than this, and that still falls under intermediate residential. We're not asking for that. We're asking for the lowest density within intermediate residential. Now on the other twoirds there, we could have a discussion because you guys could say, well, you know, um we do build not only here in Utah, not here only in Utah and also in Idaho. What we try to do is build um affordable housing and in order to even lots our lots are between about eight to 9,000. So, they're not quarter, they're a little less than quarter acres, but about 8 to 9,000 square feet. The only way you can build a reasonable price home is if the lot is a reasonable priced. And so, our lots are smaller. And we make no apologies of that. I I'm not here to convince you that we build luxury homes. We don't. We believe there is room for affordable housing. And and I know that you know that many of you have been here many years where you know halfacre lots were you're the the norm. But now again because of uh of the multifamily next to the freeway we call it a buffer zone to bring it down gradually. And so this is what we believe. Now obviously I've heard from all of you and and obviously there's opposition in that. But we're not trying to make uh Rexburg any less desirable. We're not trying to

make it more difficult. Now, I understand that no matter what project there is, there is concern about traffic, right? That will just even one more home will add to the traffic. 10 more homes will add to the traffic. Someone mentioned 140 units. We cannot get even if you approve everything, we can't. It'll be slightly over 100 units. Not that that makes a difference, but I just that's like almost 50% increase of what we're trying to propose in any case. So let me address really quickly. We talked about um intermediate residential units um um the density. So what we're trying to do again is um is trying to to work the two projects because we do have the birch project as well and if you remember so we have units on top that we're trying to connect all the way through and that is why we're coming before you today because we believe or we believed I don't know uh that that was a settled issue that IR was determined detmined before I came. That was determined and and as as I mentioned when I first started, we came before you a couple months ago to try to change that for the Burge property. That was denied. So, we ended up with LDR2 there. But in conversations with the city, they said, "Well, there you have that's already been established that there's LDR3 there, or excuse me, that there's intermediate residential there. So, therefore, the the least you can go is LDR3." So that's what we anticipated. Now the other piece like I mentioned to each of you, we were planning on doing town homes like we always do, but my commitment and again you all are right. Um that you know if I don't finish the project, someone can come in and and do something else. That is very true and I'm not going to deny that. But I hope there is a way that we can and I don't know working with staff or something

that we can have a development agreement that states that if we take it over we can um you know we're developing what we say we're going to develop uh which is a combination of single family lots with uh those twin homes on the east side on the east side of the property west side of the freeway. Um and so I appreciate your feedback. Like I say, I understand that you've been through this many times and that is very frustrating to continue doing that. Um, I don't know the right answer. I know whether it be me or someone else. It's going to be developed. It may be not this time. I know many times many developers have come before you and and uh they haven't been able to get the numbers to work or and simply backed out. But I do want to have a good amicable relationship with the neighbors. We may not always agree and that is part of the process, but I want to find a a way that we can find the best possible solution to this property as well as the Birch property as well. So, thank you for your time. Thank you, ma'am.

Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. Um and thank you all for speaking and and taking your time and and watching that. Um is there any way to get clarification? There are several questions that weren't answered, but maybe that's not an expectation. We need to close Let's close the public. I did close the public hearing. Yeah. So, do you want Can she ask more questions or not? Can I answer question if you want? I just don't think to the applicant. I I'm I'm always I'll say as long as I want. I'll answer any question.

I just don't think you addressed Mr. Southwick's um concerns about that road and about his LDR1 I mean RR1 property is now going to be right next to LDR2 that's a huge impact right away wide enough to put a road

oh is it right away well if someone mentioned that you know the road cuts into someone else's property that is called uh we are required both sides a developer is only required to build what's called a half width we build half of the property. The other home gives it right away to us to a second or the other half technically even though we call it half width. My responsibility is to probably build out twothirds of that or more about 70%. And yes, it is wide enough so that we've we've worked with Keith about Keith Davidson. Davidson

Keith Davidson the public works director. So in terms of um making it work within the code, we feel comfortable that we can do that and meet all the requirements of the city. We wouldn't be presenting to you if we didn't think that it was uh a reasonable. Now going from an RR almost every property in this in this side of the town was RR at one time. Uh what's the major property across the way I always refer to?

Somefield. Somefield it was all RR until until it wasn't. You guys approved Oh, not you guys. There was an approval of of units down at 700 South and and um and uh 12 West, excuse me. Again, at one point, you know, it went from from RR to R LR2 and the R3 and then it came before you. So, almost all this property has been RR before it wasn't. And so I don't know that um yes I think every one of those properties they would have wanted to go well let's start with LR1 and then LDR2 and such but most of the time as as indicated the reason why you've had so many developers before you is because they've said yeah it doesn't work it doesn't pencil we're out and that's why it's kind of gone before right

question here hold on we're not gonna so we're getting into sight specific this isn't a sight specific Q&A So the public the public portion of the meeting is over. Again, I've been here long enough to know that Mr. Diaz is very amanable to answering questions and having a back and forth and having dialogue with individuals. I don't think again because there site we're leaning into sight specific things. I'm going to advise uh the commission again on what they are to consider and then again I think uh the record's been clear as to uh again I think it would be inappropriate to continue a Q&A there was some leeway as to Can I say one last thing please?

Regardless of the vote today if you have some questions afterwards um let's talk I mean I'm I'm here to answer any questions. I'm an open book sometimes too much of an open book but thank you for your time. He'll answer any question, but he's not going to answer any question on the record. Hey, I'm I'm a legal question. The public hearing is closed. You can ask me after the meeting as well. There's an error in the public.

We can talk about that after the meeting as well. Uh again before there's deliberation we'll talk about uh uh again just a reminder of not to consider sight specific uh plans and details and then um uh to only consider those things that we were mentioned again. So again just back not going to go through the whole thing back to the disclaimer that I made previously.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay commissioners questions discussion items. So, someone I someone brought up that we're changing the comp plan. As far as I understand, we're we're not touching that at all. Everything being proposed is within the current comp. Um, and then another one, the asking why the changes are happening. The landowner is taking on the financial responsibility to make those changes. He's proposing them. So, as long as the land owner wants to make those changes and it's within the comprehensive plan, there's not a lot we can do unless they go against that. Um, I don't know. Is were there any other points that were brought up that would significantly impact

I agree. I wrote those things down too. And then also to to um make it clear that it's none of this is high density. It's there's no apartments going in. It's all low density housing. Right. So, no, no one's going to build a skyscraper. No one's going to build the Sundance across your road, which is what happened to me. I'd just like to make one more one comment, too, and in and discussion. Um,

I know this comes up a lot, but I'm proud that Rexburg's America's family community, but you know, people that live in town homes and that rent apartments are families. And none of, you know, no, there's probably not any of us in here that started out in a single family home on a halfacre lot. And so it always kind of makes me feel bad when we don't consider those people as families in our community. Um, they add to our community. They may be transitional, but they do add to our community. So I think we are America's family community, but I think those people are families, and I just kind of always feel that way. Um,

and and going off of that, like so I I was a college student and when I graduated, most of the people who stayed in Rexburg after graduating, I knew a lot of people who lived in that development, that was their first home in Rexburg. And some of them even bought their their town homes. They they owned it. They had that that that ownership of it. And from I don't know. I I don't know exactly what's going to happen to it. and property specific doesn't matter. But

but town homes can be owned and the assumption that it's all going to go to rental is something that is not important to the vote, but also people need transitionary housing and this gives people that opportunity and also even you know Yeah, it really does. Um I had a a question for you Alan. um as as 12 West develops and and of course that's the other thing and somebody did admit that that development is what pays for the improvements in the road and the people who do this are the ones that have to do that. Um will sidewalks be required? Yes. on when the school goes in and

they won't have to connect to they'll they have to connect to the street and they have to build out any frontage that they have on that street, but it'll be up to the rest of them whether they build out from that point. They do not have to have sidewalk connectivity to the school or back to the commercial. But anything in front of Well, just the short space that they have, right? Okay. as that develops anyone who

as it develops the rest of it. The challenge is you have a bunch of single family homes that are RR1 through there. They do not require sidewalks and so you're going to have a gap in there with that unless at some point the city steps up and goes, we're putting the sidewalks in regardless because we that safety of having that and that's probably what will happen in that section. But that'll that's that's a conversation down the road. Um the one other thing I guess while I'm talking um it was mentioned that in Willoughbrook there's still 14 vacant lots and I think part of that um kind of goes back to the way Rexburg's growing. Housing is so expensive. I mean it's a lot. It's a lot to buy a big lot and build a big house

and so there's just not a lot of people that are that are looking for that right now. Well, and the developers refuse to finish that. It's a developer issue. I've been waiting a long time to say this. Tyler, behave. Well, it's hard to behave when you when you think something's been misrepresented, right? And with all the public meeting is is I still love you, bro. And I I appreciate that. I was not aware of that. Yeah. So, that was that's still Yeah. That's uh Kirby Forbush. Yes. Okay. All right. So, FYI for you, Tyler. I was going to bring that up. That that that wasn't

that's not a problem with with people not wanting it. It's the problem with the developer wanting not to sell. And he has said again and again, I'm not ready. I'm not doing it. Okay. So, that's that's a him problem, not our not our or or not that people don't want that. It's not a it's not a a point to say people don't want that. It goes back to a not a sidewalk issue, but a Uh, what? A curb and gutter issue, I think. So, okay. All right. Okay. Okay. So, Oh, go ahead. Yes.

Oh, sorry, Tammy. Didn't mean to cut you off. I just It's hard being uh on virtually, but I thought I'd just say my part real quick. I definitely over the last few years haven't made a lot of friends with the with the 10 people that are convinced that this shouldn't happen in their backyard. So, I'm probably not going to make any ground there tonight. But I I find it a shame that we're not looking at medium or high density right against Highway 20. If you look at any developing community like ours, they they do a step down. I think the Meadows is a perfect product to be against Highway 20. It allows a customer base that may not be in a position to afford a single family home sitting alone on its own lot. I I have found it interesting over the last couple years the number of people who come out in opposition between Highway 20 and 12 West, but they'll allow hundreds of homes to continue to be developed um over in Somefield and and in other places. I I find it interesting that some of those who spoke tonight are those in Somefield. And I I feel like uh not allowing the less desirable property right next to Highway 20 to be to be developed in this same density. I I find that very ironic. Um I think this is the perfect spot for for this type of product and and as I said, I think it should should have been presented as higher density. I also something that I want to discuss with the other council members before uh or the other commissioners before we move on um to a vote. I would like to hear from others about the conflict of interest uh issues that may be arising when when we pass something and then it's going to city council for a vote. I' I'd like to hear

where where we think that city council is finding us in error on this and whether some of those individuals who have been so vigilant with their opinions have a conflict of interest. Um anyway, I I'm in favor of this. I think Mr. Diaz has done an outstanding job. He's kept a great attitude through through the process and I can't see a a a better use of this this land. So that's my piece. Thank you, McKay. Tammy, do you want to go ahead?

Yeah. So I have there several points that were brought up that and and I look at this differently than McKay because because of the blockage of Highway 20. I just really don't like that there's not another way for people to go to the east that they all have to funnel to to the west. That's a difficult thing for me when it comes to traffic is that this many people will have to funnel. So 110 plus what was passed before which could be you know 100 homes or whatever that's 200 adding in a short distance to funneling toward um 12th west. So, for me, that's a difficult pill to swallow. And even if they do choose to come down Twisted Willow, they still have to funnel into 12 West. They just don't have another option there. And and that's a little bit more difficult for me that way as far as it being locked by um Highway 20. That's a a tough thing for me. I I love hearing that people want the LDR1. And the reason I love that is because I think our community needs a variety for a variety of families. I I think that there's a great starter and I think there's a great next step and I think having a next step and then once once people get to the step where they don't want to go up and down the stairs, they'll go back to that starter again. And I think that that's a a valuable thing to have in our community to keep it stable. And so the idea of us having 25% owner occupied in single family homes um that are that are owner occupied versus having 75% that are renting. That is just concerning for me because I feel like we need to keep a a a group of stable people who are willing to stay and live. And when you do have that home ownership, you do take a different care of your property because it's your

property. And so that's that's a pride of ownership thing that doesn't come when you rent. And so that is that is something that is disconcerting for me. Another another part is how many will go to the schools. So if we're adding this many homes extra, Burton's already overflowing and that's difficult because then the the busing will have to start busing them to some other school some otherwhere. I I don't know where they'll they'll take them, but that is a point that a commissioner needs to look at is what happens with the schools. Another thing we're supposed to look at is do we have amenities? Do we have recreational services or parks? And we don't on this side of town. We just don't have that. So, if if we're connecting and and when I I happened to be one who was on the comprehensive plan committee and I I spoke again with Logan Simpson who helped us develop that plan just to make sure I understood things and and they said the idea is for us to have a community in a community in the community so that we have places where there are amenities that we can walk to and that alleviates problem with the roads. We don't have that here. So, timing is is a thing for me on this um because we don't have a place for us to walk to these amenities so that we can alleviate congestion congestion on the roads. And so, those are things as a commissioner I'm supposed to be looking at is what services we have on in this area. Um I I can't remember the classifications again. I remember 12 West once we add the school that that would change the classification to help me Alan D.

It's a collector or even a minor arterial. Okay. So is that a but what's the classification called? Class D and we're trying to stay with class B. No, we're in a class C right now. Right now is C. But when we add when you put everything in and don't make any changes, it may go to a D or an E. a D or an E. They haven't classified yet, but but that's a that's a possibility. And so they don't make any changes

if they're Yes. So the the possibility of that, it's kind of the cart before the horse again. And I I know we're kind of how we how we do it in our town is a little bit different that way. Um but that is a concern for me as far as safety um for the community here. Um, so I, you know, hearing what's been said and looking through this and understanding, um, what I understand, those are my concerns with this. One one counterpoint I want to bring up what you just said. Um, you talked about owners versus renters. Um, we don't consider that because we don't know specifically what's going on in the project. Does that is that correct?

There's a reason I stood up. Correct. Okay. So, you can look at again there's long use land use patterns and general policy. But again, and there was one other statement that made about because again, I think it was a generalized statement rather than factual of saying that if somebody is renting versus owning, they don't take as good a care as their property. That's not to be considered. Okay?

Because again, that's a generalization. Uh I own a house and I'm sure my garage is far messier than uh those who rent. I could probably guarantee it. So again, that is again so we can get into long-term land use patterns meaning uh the units that are uh that would be permitted within a density. But again, a specific renter versus owner or something that we would imply would be renter versus owner isn't to be considered. Okay. Thanks. Helen, what's the zoning on Summerfield? Let me bring it up for you.

Sure. McKay asked a question on uh um and I will go directly from the statute so I don't butcher it. So he asked about conflict of interest. Again uh there's a a reason that uh madam chair will ask if there's anybody that has a conflict of interest. When we say conflict of interest again there's uh our general everyday use and then there's uh defined by statute and by the Idaho Supreme Court. So, uh a conflict of interest uh from the Idaho uh uh legislature and the land use planning act uh exists when the decision maker has a financial uh interest in the matter being decided. Uh economic or punic uh I'm trying to find the exact Alan, you pull that up and then just so I can have the site on.

So, Spencer, are you looking that up to to ask us if any of us have a conflict of interest? No, not at all. I'm just defining it. Oh, okay.

Okay. Idaho code um 74404 if you're interested into that. So, there needs to be uh a a direct financial interest. Um, so we've used an example previously is like if somebody's a realer or something like that, even if hypothetically if somebody was a realer or they had um uh and they would say, well, hey, if this passes versus it not passing, it may impact your business. That is not a direct conflict of interest. There is no direct financial benefit to those things. Um again and that's why we have individuals of all sorts uh who are interested in the community and take an interest in that. So again and I'm happy to discuss that further with you McKay if you have other questions um uh concerning that.

Okay. Um Summerfield is zoned LDR2 and LDR3. You have this one section right here next to the church house that is LDR3. All of the rest of it clear up into here is all LDR2. But they did did develop under a PUD. So there are it is under a PUD which means it's even more dense than an LDR2 and an LDR3. Can I make a comment about that? So in the LDR2 part, those are like an LDR3. Correct. because they're like a tenth of because of the PUD. And interestingly, those in the LDR3 are like an LDR2. Correct.

And some even like an LDR1 because you can go less density if you want to. So, it's deceiving a little bit when you look at the

It is. And that's why you have to remember the fact that in a PUD you can only do that in your LDRs and your MDRs, but you can come in there and take the total allowed. And if you do specific things, you can increase that density above what the standard is. And then you're able to move that around and say, I can put them on smaller lots because I want great big playground area and I want to put amenities in here, walking paths, different things. So that's the whole idea. and you can shift things around as long as your overall density doesn't exceed what you were approved for. So, that happened there. Um, the thing to look at too is you have an MDR right here when they talk about step down. Uh, so you you are stepping down. You're stepping down from here. You're stepping down here. you're actually staying, you know, with the LDR2, you're stepping down from this one, which typically that step down goes this direction. And the statement was made on the roads. I know it's a concern. I know citizens are worried about it. Uh all I could tell you is you have engineers that constantly look at every single application and they take all of that into consideration to make sure they do everything they can to reduce congestion and problems. So this road, yeah, it's going to make changes, it's going to do things, but this road is a dream compared to other parts of the city. When you look at our transportation plan, we have others that are in that failure stage that we're trying to resolve. This one has ways to resolve it and they are addressing that.

So I have a question now about your step down. I understood that even the step down was north and south. You're telling me that we're looking at step down from east to west or west to east. That's typical. That doesn't have to happen that way. No, but that's typical from your center core of a city. That's usually where your business district, your apartment complexes. Okay. And then as you move further out, you go into lower and lower till you get farther out. Okay. So, you're talking center on out is what you're talking center, not the road. Okay. Because because for this going to that RR2 adjacent to it would be the the LDR3 and that's definitely not a step down. If we go RR2, right around the corner is LDR3 or LDR

step down is from the freeway. So coming from the center, you're going from MDR down to LDR3. So that's a step down. So you're considering that the MDR3 is our center. The center of

the center is Main Street. Main Street and Center Street. So when you look at the overall picture of Rexburg, your core, you find that core right in here. This should be your most dense, highest use uh structure in your whole city. Doesn't have to be, but that's usually the way you focus. As you get further away, that's when you start doing those step downs. Now, you run into challenges as city grows, and that's what we're facing right now. All of a sudden, you talked about coming out and have community centers where you're going to have community amenities, stores, and everything else for people. We're starting to get to that phase where now you're going to start seeing higher densities show up on the west side and you're going to see commercial showing up. You see that up here along 33 on the west side. You're getting amenities here. We have amenities that are coming down on this side and so and you got amenities coming in here. This has just got zone to commercial. You have a bunch of commercial that puts you within walking distance of these. So that's the type of stuff that's happening. So you need to look at this as a overall for the city. Is this detrimental to what's happening to the community and does it fit with what's going on? And you have to rely some of this upon the expertise of your staff. Mainly I'm talking about the engineer. He's the one who will tell you, can I get him enough sewer? Can I get him enough water? Can I make sure that the roads function? They don't always function the way we want them, but they have to function to a certain level that he will maintain.

Did you have anything else? No worries. Dan, did you have anything you'd like to say? Dan, required to make that comment. He's probably muted. I wondered if he was still muted and trying to talk. indicated if he had something. Okay. All right. Okay. Any further discussion?

He's asking him Okay. Any anything else from anyone on the commission?

Okay. Well, I think that we're looking at some kind of a motion at this point. If someone would like to do that. Um, I'll make a motion. Uh, forgive me if I fumble through this, that we propose to city council or recommend to city council the reszoning of RR2 to LDR2 and LDR3 um on the property on 12 West as the applicant has um asked and has been recommended to us by um city of council. What was the word? Staff. City staff. That's the word I was looking for. You might add to it that the reasons.

Oh, because it is in conj um alignment with city planning. Rexburg city or the comprehensive plan. There you go. In accordance is the language. What did I say? In compliance. We always compliance. The statute says in accordance. Okay. In accordance with the comprehensive plan. I'll second it. Okay. Okay, we have the motion and the second. Is there any further discussion on the motion? Can we we receate restate? Oh, you can.

Okay. So, how I have this is the motion is to recommend that city council approve the reszone for the property on 12 West and we'll add in the approximate 401 south 12 West to LDR2 and LDR3 as it meets staff requirements and in accordance with the comp. Anything that anybody wants to supplement? What any supplementation that we think is required? Maybe flush it out a little bit more, Sally? No, I think we're good. Okay. Okay. All right. Um Okay, we will go ahead and take the vote. All in favor? I I I So, do we get both of them?

Yes. Okay. Okay. Any opposed? Hi. Okay. Okay. It will be recommended to the city council to take a look at. Okay. Thank you very much and thank you for for your comments and folks. Thank you for again this group is always very gracious with staying within the time restraints and staying respectful and I very much appreciate it. Thank you. Okay.

Um it looks like we don't have anything at this point for Yeah. Yeah, that's just called my commitment. Recording stopped.

May 6th is the city council meeting, but they're going to take this up. always want that to happen. Get back.