(1) Town Board - Regular Meeting

All right, good. I'd like to welcome you all to the Red Hook Town Board meeting of Tuesday, April 14th, 2026. Would you be kind enough to join me in the Pledge of Allegiance, please? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you all very much. Uh for the folks at home, so kind if you'd be kind enough to hand over to uh the big screen. What we'll be discussing tonight is the first meeting of the month, as always, a quick snapshot of the monthly finances with the supervisor's report and then the clerk's report. We have a couple of announcements. We'll take a few public comments. We do have a long agenda tonight. Um on the agenda is we have a sort of an update on the process for the comprehensive plan and steering committee presentation. Thank you all for updating us. So, that's first off. Discussion, we have one of our engineering uh engineering firm will be here in a little bit to update us on first draft of road list for consideration DOT to study. Um we quite some time ago uh wanted to address speed limits town wide. We were hoping we've done a lot of lobbying up in Albany. We were successful in along with other municipalities in lowering uh the speed limit potential for townships,

but we were not successful in getting home rule uh in order to do so. So, we decided where where we're becoming impatient. So, last year we authorized our engineering firm to conduct town wide speed limit reduction traffic study. And so, you'll hear tonight um about sort of the first step in that process. Um we are going to discuss or continue to discuss water district surplus properties. If you've been following along, you've heard me say that the water board chairman has wanted for years to dispense with um surplus properties. These are properties that exist in the Linden Acres subdivision. And the thought came to mind that the town, I think uh some folks thought the town already owned it. The water district owns those five parcels. And um so, the town could utilizing its CPF fund acquire them for relatively passive park because they are properties with sensitive wetlands and so on and so forth, but they could accommodate benches, for example, on there. Strategically located along or nearby some of the trails that we have. And the fourth item relates to that, a CPF plan amendment. Um several years ago when the CPF plan had a full update, there was an increasing emphasis on water protection of water resources. And so, a lot of properties were included in the plan that had water

resources. These parcels were not, perhaps, I don't know why. Perhaps our planner uh might remember, but I don't think he did. They were not included because they're already owned by the town of Red Hook. If you look on parcel access and so, the CPF plan would have to be amended to include these parcels. Um these are these parcels are consistent with the purposes of the community preservation fund. There's a long list here. I have it in section 64H of the uses for those funds. They're for active recreation, passive recreation, nature preserve, so on and so forth. So, we will we need we will need to start the process. There'll be extra steps that we'll need to take um once [clears throat] we get them appraised along the properties to see if the board is interested in acquiring those for passive recreation. Uh resolution to let bids on well rehabs of the water district. It has two projects they're doing this year and they want to do them at the same time. One is to rehab well number one and the [cough and clears throat] other is to rehab the water storage tank. And so, there's a resolution to let the bids. There's a large bidding document um for the bidders that are interested. We talked last year about the air monitoring program. We had a presentation from Bard Professor Zucker on that. They've asked if we would sponsor three three installations. Um and we [clears throat] are going to entertain that tonight. Reorg, we have to appoint a chair for the ZBA. There is

some interesting discussion on the state has proposed secret modifications. If you heard us in previous meetings, there's a proposal sort of in keeping with the governor's um desire to I think the effort is called Let Them Build um to make sure that there's not too much regulation that's slowing down the process to make sure that we have workforce housing for our communities, affordable housing, and so on and so forth. So, we'll be discussing that briefly, continuing the discussion of highway trucks, and then any other business to come before the board. So, uh why don't we jump right in? And this is for the period ending March 31st, 2026. We started the month with an opening balance of 13 million 53,000 and change. We had receipts of 727,000. Uh we had disbursements of 1,916, that includes transfers. We have an ending balance of 11,865,000. Our town bookkeeper [snorts] has prepared some budget adjustments for your consideration tonight. A couple of these are interfund transfers. We do need to increase some budgets. It's not a surprise to you that we went through more snow and and salt sorry, more salt and sand this winter than was initially anticipated, so there are some increases in that category as well.

You have your variance report as you do each and every month. Are there any questions, board members, on this? Hearing none, I would entertain a motion to accept the supervisor's report. Would someone like to make that motion? So moved. Thank you, Jacob. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, William. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Thank you. Um we also have the clerk's report. Diana, would you be kind enough to read the clerk's report? Town clerk's report for the period of March 1st, 2026 to March 31st, 2026. Total local shares remitted, $6,014.84. Amount paid to New York State Agriculture and and Markets for the spay neuter program, $18. Amount paid to New York State Department of Health for marriage licenses, $45. And the amount paid to the New York State Environmental Conservation for hunting and fishing license, $155.16. Total state, county, and local revenues, $6,233. And Thank you, Diana. You also have some vouchers. I hereby certify that vouchers numbered 34614, 34773 processed in the month of March 2026 are an accurate reporting of the abstracts approved for payment by the town board in March 2026. Very good. Um any questions on the clerk's report? If not,

[clears throat] I'd like to make a motion that we accept the clerk's report. Second. Thank you, Jacob. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Thank you very much. Um okay, just a couple quick announcements. Again, we have a a long agenda tonight and [clears throat]

I can only speak for myself. I may not be able to make it to the end of the agenda cuz I terrible sciatica going on. So, what we can do to get through it as quickly as we can would be great. We have coming up the next Repair Cafe is upcoming this weekend. We've had terrific turnout not only by people who need things repaired but volunteers. These are some of the items that you can get fixed or they will try to fix. I'm amazed at what the success rate are or success rate is. And I'm amazed that what a wonderful event this has turned out to be. It's at the Redwood Community Center Redwood Repair Cafe. It's quarterly. It'll be on our annual flyer. E-waste event is also coming up in combination with shred day. All happening on May 9th. We're trying to consolidate for efficiency some of our spring events. E-waste is happening on Apple Blossom Day. Saturday, May 9th, 7:30 to 1:00 p.m. And you enter at the recycle center and you'll be in the highway grounds.

[clears throat] Same thing for shred day. Town-wide cleanup is happening the week before. I'm sure you've seen with all the snow that happened this winter. There's lots of um garbage on the on the sides of the road. This has been a very successful event as well. We encourage you if you'd like to sponsor an area near you. Just come and sign up. We'll provide you with all of the gloves, bags that you need. [clears throat]

I'll try and give you an assignment close to to your neighborhood if that's what you want. May 2nd, 1:00 to 4:00 p.m. This is the full complement of the events and I want to thank everybody who put off last weekend's event, the fishing contest. We had terrific weather and the organizers of that, we thank them very much. We had over, I believe, 109 kids showed up to fish. [clears throat]

Um and really a terrific turnout. Okay. That's what I have for events. Anybody else for events or announcements or anything? Okay, before we start on the agenda, we can take a couple of public comments. Are there any public comment tonight? Roxanne. Okay, this is my chance. [clears throat] Okay. I am here tonight to address the town's escalating legal and fiscal trajectory regarding the Red Hook Boat Club. A path that is costing this community a staggering, preventable fortune. First, the Friday night filing. Last Friday, April 10th, at 5:11 p.m., the absolute final hour of a court-mandated deadline, the town finally filed its response to the Article 78 petition. While the Boat Club's legal team will address the merits of that response in due course, the community should take note of the timing. Filing at the literal close of business on a Friday is the behavior of a board trying to minimize public scrutiny of a failing strategy. It is not the behavior of a board that is confident or transparent. Regarding the federal case. In federal court, mediation reached an impasse in February. We have officially entered the discovery phase. For those watching at home, discovery is the most expensive part of any lawsuit. We are no longer talking about potential costs. We are now paying for depositions, expert witnesses, and exhaustive document production for a case that is projected to continue into late 2027.

A projected timeline is attached. Now, the 293,000 milestone. According to the town's own records obtained through FOIL, Red Hook has already spent more than $293,000 on legal fees related to this matter. It is critical to remember this figure is already nearly 2 months out of date. It only covers costs through an invoice dated February 23rd, 2026. Since then, the town has prepared for federal discovery and drafted the 26-page state response, which it filed last Friday. The true burden has undoubtedly surged past the 300,000 mark. In conclusion, we look at the 600,000 legacy. If the town has already spent 300,000 before the first deposition has even been taken, the final taxpayer bill will easily reach 3 500 to 600,000. I have stood here for months and reminded the board it only takes one. One council member can choose to rescind his positive vote and end the domain action. To ensure there's no confusion about the costs of this choice, I'm providing any members of the press here tonight with a complete file of the legal expenses this town has incurred to date. As I said, expenses nearly 2 months out of date. I ask Councilman Hamel and Testa, is a half million dollar legal fee worth more than the will of the people? Save the taxpayers next 300,000. Please, rescind the vote tonight. Thank you. Thank you, Roxanne. Anyone else like to MAKE A COMMENT?

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LISA. LISA POLLERO. ALMOST $300,000 has been spent by the town in the pursuit of the Red Hook Boat Club by eminent domain and for related zoning amendments with outstanding invoices and payments still unknown. $300,000 paid for by taxpayers without our permission. With what result? So far, nothing unless you consider ignoring a deadline for an April for an Article 78 answer followed by a hasty 11th hour submission progress. And to be clear, the town did in fact ignore the initial deadline. At the close of the March 25th board meeting, the reporter from the Daily Catch asked the supervisor why the town did not respond. He refused to answer before leaving to join executive session. And at some point between then and the adjournment of the meeting, he decided to deflect with it is routine for parties in litigation to ask for a 30-day extension. Well, that may well be, but the March 18th order makes it clear the town did not request any such extension. The attorneys of record for the town, the Hodgson Russ law firm, has invoiced $136,777 between March 28th and November 20th. So, a law firm billing at $370 per hour failed to answer a petition request a petition or request a routine extension. That sounds like money well spent. For a similar period, the Keane and Bean law firm received $445,334, but they couldn't represent the town for the Article 78 because while they were advising the town on developing the zoning amendments, they were also advising the planning board who was charged with reviewing the amendments to determine consistency with the LWRP. Clearly a conflict, but not one of the sitting board members at that time, including three of them sitting up there tonight, pointed out that discrepancy or that uh conflict. It was only astute members of

the planning board that brought that to the attention of the planning board prompting them to to move make a motion to seek alternate counsel. We know about the almost 300,000, but suspect the legal fees may be considerably higher. Notably, the FOIL requests do not include any invoices for legal fees by Hodgson Russ for the entirety of July and August 2025 or after November 20th, 2025. Periods during which hearings were occurring in state and federal courts and for which they are listed as attorneys of record. It's highly unlikely they worked for free. Were invoices forwarded to the town's insurance carrier for whom, by the way, there is yet another additional law firm assigned? And if so, we hope to secure those invoices as well and wonder what impact, if any, the claims may have on future premium costs. Robert McKean, Bill Hamel, and Jacob Testa are solely responsible for this waste of resources. Many entities are being enriched by their actions, but rest assured the citizens of Red Hook are not among them. Quite the opposite. It is well past time for reason to prevail. And if you cannot find your way to do that, perhaps it's time to step aside and allow true representatives of the people to serve. THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU, LISA POLLERO. LINDA, IF YOU'D BE KIND ENOUGH TO SAY your name for the record, please. Linda Stoddard. I'm speaking tonight in support of our valued highway superintendent Teresa Burke and her recommendation for non-EV vehicle purchases first brought to this town board on March 25th. Teresa Burke has admirably served as the highway superintendent since 2010 and has run unopposed in four elections since then. Within the Red Hook community, Teresa's judgment, knowledge, and leadership are well respected. Quite frankly, it was disturbing to watch and listen to members of this town board, specifically Robert and Bill, question those attributes at times in a most arrogant and condescending manner during the last town board meeting. Teresa Burke serves as vice president of the New York State Association of town superintendents of highways and has served as president of the Dutchess County Association of highway superintendents. She was also only the fifth person and first woman to achieve the road master level four certification in New York State, the highest level of training for highway officials. Given her experience and credentials, I trust the judgment and recommendations of our highway superintendent over the opinions of those without her expertise. Teresa's research and recommendations always put the needs and safety of the community first. Please show her the respect she is due and put the same level of faith in her knowledge that the voters have time and again. THANK YOU.

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OKAY. ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE GET STARTED? YEAH, I'd like to say something. What transpired on Friday? What transpired on Friday is the attorneys filed as they were required to a response which was Which which attorneys? Our attorneys. Did you know about this? Yeah, our attorneys they They didn't know. Jacob, did you know about this? We didn't know they would make a filing. We didn't know they would make a filing. Yeah, assuming they would do it on Friday. And was there funds disbursed to do this? Did out the board's uh The board authorized the previous board authorized

Hold on. You mean the previous board of December? The previous board authorized responses to the actions and those responses have taken the place. If this board would like to do something different than that board this board needs to take an action.

Well, I think what you did on Friday something this board This is not not what we did on Friday. This board the previous board took an action and authorized the responses to the legal actions and that is what has transpired. Folks, we are going to move on. We're going to move on. We are going to move on with the agenda tonight. Albert, I'm sorry, but our public comment I don't understand how you can hire an attorney [clears throat] unless you would appoint them town attorney to handle all legal matters. You're supposed to use your own counsel. Now, if they're off counsel, they have to be hired anew for each thing that comes down. Robert, you're screwing around. You wheeled around, you snuck around behind the town board, you put in answer at 5:07 on Friday. Now, please, this board should not allow that to happen. Why are you Why, William, are you in total lack of knowledge about this? How about you? How about you? Josh, how about you? Christine, did you hear anything? No, of course you didn't. Because you were at the You were up against it, Robert, and you used somebody you shouldn't have. And I don't think it's proper and I'm going to check into it a little further to see if what you did is correct. I don't believe it is. Thank you. OKAY.

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WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON WITH TONIGHT'S ROBERT, I THINK it's I think it's it's important just to say publicly we've been we've been trying to schedule an attorney client session for many months now and there's so I I know there's been emails going back and forth. We're trying to get that on the calendar. Um and I I personally hope we can get it on the calendar for the next week. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, there you go. Very good. No. No, it's not. Let's let's move on. We have a presentation now by our comprehensive plan steering committee chairperson and our consultant. I'll introduce them. Uh okay. Uh good evening. My name is Eric Pearson. I'm with Hudson Valley Pattern for Progress. Uh we are the lead consultant that the town hired to uh lead the comprehensive plan update. So, thank you for having us tonight on this busy schedule. Um we have been working on this project for almost a year, so we figured it's a good time to come before you and talk a little bit about the progress that we've made so far, some of our immediate next steps, and then just sort of the the big picture close out the project. So, I'm joined by Julia Solomon. Hello, everyone. I know you all. Um I am here today in my capacity as a voluntary chair of the comprehensive plan steering committee. Um Eric will lead the presentation, but I'll [clears throat] chime in as things occur or I'm happy to answer any questions. Okay. Uh next slide, please. Also, just very briefly, the project team, as I mentioned, I'm Eric Pearson with Pattern for Progress with the lead consultant. We also have a sub consultant that's Pace Land Use Law Center. Tiffany Zezula um from there has been a tremendous help on on lots of things including including community engagement. Um and I she'll help us on the on the tail end of this project, too, in her capacity as a land use attorney and advising us on the

administrative steps that it takes to get a a plan formally adopted. But really the shout-out here is to the steering committee. Um we've had a little bit of turnover as some people have had to leave for personal reasons, but for the most part all the people on that list um including Julia in her capacity as chair have put in countless volunteer hours. We've been meeting once a month um for almost a year and and plenty of hours outside of those meetings as well. Uh next slide. Um so, this is the project goals. This could also be sort of read as project values, the things that have sort of guided us from the start of this project. Um we want and have strived to have an open and transparent process. Um at the end of the day we want a plan that reflects what the community wants and the and the vision that they have for themselves. Um and so a big way to accomplish that is that throughout this process we want there to be many opportunities and many different opportunities for the community to engage with the process. Um we want this plan to align with smart growth principles. This plan is funded by a grant smart growth planning grant. Um I said this a couple of times in in different settings, but the good news is that smart growth principles are just essentially sound planning principles. So, we're not bending over backwards to fit into any mold there. Um and then finally we want a plan that is both functional, so it serves the purpose that it needs to. Um it's useful for the town to you know guide their the vision and the decision-making process and importantly guide um town zoning. But we also want it to be accessible, right? We want it to be something that people can have an easy time reading and sort of thumb through and understand what it is. Next slide. Um so, this slide it next slide you may have seen this is sort of a very high-level view of the different phases of the plan. So, of course we started off with information gathering looking at the trends that are occurring in Red Hook at the moment, what um existing

planning work has already been done that we can build off of. And then visioning and goal setting which is essentially what we've been working on um for the better part of a year. Listening, right? Listening to the community about what the people uh what the shared vision for the community is and starting to establish what some of those goals and visions are. And so, the best um most accurate place I can put us on this flowchart is in between the second and third one um because we are just about to as we'll talk about in a couple of a couple slides, we are just about to share back with the community a pretty comprehensive summary of all of the engagement that we've done so far and just just check with the community that we had heard them correctly. Um so, that's the next next slide, please. Okay, a couple of project milestones. You know, we started off building out the website. It exists within the town's um existing website framework. We took the time to actually write down and think through and put on onto paper the community engagement plan to keep us you know to keep us in in line with what we want to do and um not just sort of be winging it as we go. We created something called a key facts report which is the um essentially the demographic trends that are going on to sort of set the context of what's going on in town at this moment. And that was actually included uh that key facts report was included as part of the first visioning workshop. Um that was a public workshop that we had back in October of last year at the high school. Um we had 70 plus participants there and come out for that. Um that was followed up by a written summary. And we also had a survey that was launched on the day after the uh the public workshop took place. And the idea with the survey was to essentially mirror the questions that we were asking at the workshop. So, if you were unable to attend or couldn't or didn't want to attend, um you could take

that survey. And we got um over 170 responses on that. Um I am pleased with the response on that um especially because the way that we wrote that survey to mirror the workshop was a lot of open-ended questions and anyone who sort of create surveys will tell you that multiple choice usually gets you more response rate, but we really wanted to get it to a deeper level than sort of what a multiple choice provides. So, we're we're happy with that. Um next slide, please. And then this is so additional project milestones, but more specifically about um community engagement that we've done. Um I wanted to highlight this because as I've said this is this has been a little like the bulk of our work so far. Um so, we we created something called kitchen table conversations, which are um small group um meetings that could be organized by anyone who is interested. They we had a sort of script that they could follow and they could invite whoever they wanted to a neutral location like a home or you know, a cafe or something and I just just to provide a smaller more informal setting um than you know, some people are maybe more comfortable there you know, just missed the workshop and wanted something else to go to. We had 21 of those, which involved 180 different people participating. Um we have showed up and tabled at various events and locations in town including Hardscrabble Day and Apple Blossom Day and we plan on being at this year's Apple Blossom as well. Um we've um had a great partnership with the community center who will who will let us um do some tabling um and different events of theirs. So, like um the teen time and uh senior lunch there we were we were getting feedback at those. Tabling at the bar. Um we showed up one day at the at Red Hook High School to uh get some feedback from high schoolers as they passed us in the hall. Um [clears throat] and then this last one was I'm I just this one was really amazing. So,

thanks to some excellent social studies teachers at the middle school at Linden Ave, we were able to get in front of essentially every seventh and eighth grader in town um and do we did eight 1-hour periods there where we did workshops with all the social studies classes asking them questions about what do they like about their community, what would make them stay in Red Hook when they're older, and and identifying places in town that they love or places that they think could change. Um And actually on the way up I meant uh on the on my drive up I I was one oversight that we do have a that I want to mention. We do have one subcommittee within our steering committee, which is a community engagement subcommittee that they should have been listed on that first slide of our of our project team because they are an additional uh group of volunteers that have come forward to volunteer their time to help make sure that this plan reaches all the people that it needs to. Um next slide. Just a couple pictures. There's us at Hardscrabble Day. We can go through these pretty quick cuz I know you're busy, but there's us the visioning workshop in October. We had breakout sessions. Um next slide. Um this is some of our youth engagement. Those were the that's our table of our sticky notes uh different high schoolers that put on about what they want to keep, change, and add in town. And then this is an excellent representation of one of the the mapping activity we did with middle schoolers where we gave them green dots to say where do you like to go in town, what do you like about it? Red dots where they think that there's something that could change or something they they don't like. Um got some really valuable insight to that population of youth in our in the the Red Hook community. Uh next slide. Um okay. So, these next two slides I will the major takeaway out here is this is just a flavor of the community engagement findings. Um as I mentioned before we're going to we're about to release the sort of detailed substantial summary. Um so, if you don't see something on here it's that doesn't mean that we didn't

hear about it and we're and we're paying attention. It's just sort of a flavor. Anticipating the question that people want to know, well what did you find out? So, um broadly speaking many of the same values that are in that uh the currently adopted plan from 1993 are remain true today. So, protecting open space, um supporting farms and farmers, preserving Red Hook's small town community feel, and um people really value their parks and recreation here and have a lot of ideas for improving it, but um overall really appreciate the programming and the facilities that you have. Um next slide. Um so, and then again just a couple of things that came up as um major concerns or people you know, things that people wanted to see improve. Housing affordability is a very big one. Pedestrian pedestrian and bike safety. Um a transparent and responsive local government. Connectivity in town um and then water quality protection. Next slide. Okay. So, our immediate next steps these are our like our big priorities in the next few weeks really um is the drafting of community vision and goals that I mentioned keep mentioning um a full summary of the findings so far and we'll be releasing the draft vision statement and goals for the community to digest and react to. And that's going to play into um our next public workshop, which will be coming out in May. Uh date TBD, but we'll get we're we're working very hard to get that on the calendar. Um and at this workshop we're going to be asking people to essentially check us, right? Like did we get it right on the vision? Did we get it right on the goals? Um and then start to provide some specific ideas for how we might achieve those goals. And so again, that'll be in mid-May and you can expect the um the summary of the community engagement findings in early May. Um next slide. Almost done. Um and then this is another sort of big picture look at the remaining timeline. So, we'll have that workshop um in May and then we'll have a third workshop in fall. In between that

time we're going to be refining the goals and the vision statements based on the feedback that we got from the community. Start creating some draft strategies and do some additional focus group work on specific topics that we think merit um some more [snorts] uh like a more detailed conversation. Um and then at the third workshop we don't have the details on like exactly what the format of that would be, but that's the sort of the final um point at which the community can interact with the plan in a in a setting that's not just like public comment, right? So, at the end of this process there will be a public comment of the entire draft plan, but we know that that's not the most helpful um it if you have like substantial feedback that you want to give. It sort of feels like you missed the train. So, that's going to be the the sort of last um public big public workshop. Um then we'll you know, after that that final workshop we'll put it all together into a a final plan and then at the you know, we're looking at the end of this calendar year to try to be done with all of that sort of like writing and like actually getting the main chunk of the plan done. And then at the why it says into 2027 with the sort of undetermined timeline is because then at the end of the process there are a number of what I'm calling administrative steps that need to take place um county planning review, public comment review, um uh seeker review. And so, these things can sort of extend the timeline longer than you might anticipate. Um but that that's what we're looking at in terms of the broad strokes timeline there. And then next slide. I think that's it. Yeah. So, any any questions on that? Thank you thank you again for having us. Did I miss anything? No, I thought it was great.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you both, Sunny. Any questions, uh council members? Ross, that's no. I'd just be interested in seeing some of the raw data as it comes in. I know we spoke about a month ago like whatever format that's in. Um I appreciate the presentation and and I know you're going to be um you know, coming through it and bringing it together in a in a cohesive way, but um I've hosted two different kitchen table discussions and it was really interesting hearing what came out of both of those and and so just seeing um yeah, seeing all of the information in its raw form would be helpful for me.

Yeah, I I appreciate that comment. I think I've been I've been ruminating on that since when we last spoke. I think a similar conversation has come up in our steering committee meeting where um maybe there's a space whether it's an appendix or separate from that where it's like sort of ideas that came out of this process that maybe don't necessarily land in a comp plan, but are still worth memorializing in some way that like that they they were said, but you know, weren't part of the of the plan itself. So. Well, we'll think about that still. Great. And I also expect that the upcoming um summary the community engagement summary and the draft vision and goals will be like not everybody is going to be able to trace their specific comment to that summary, but it will be quite robust and um it will capture the themes that have come out in all of those different conversations. Some of which were um you know, quite specific, right? Like there was a kitchen table conversation that featured middle schoolers or you know, there have been ones in just different neighborhoods and so, they they have different flavors. Yeah. Well, speaking of specific flavors, I thought it was great that the mapping that you did with the seventh and eighth graders and their their desires what they wanted and I wonder if we could someday get something like that for also the adult population. I had to look up uh groyne out groyne out Honestly, the main takeaway is that we should this plan should be centered around Holy Cow. Right. For that reason. That's [laughter] the middle schoolers I'm I'm joking of course, but uh yeah, it was great. It was a wonderful experience with the middle schoolers. Well, and I think it had the added benefit of really um giving them a sense of agency and empowerment to you know, exercise their civic voice. It was nice. Do you feel you're getting enough of that also from the adult population other things they'd like to see, tangible things they'd like to see in the community? Yeah, absolutely. Um I I mentioned the you know, in the within

those serve uh survey responses because we had them open-ended. Um, I mean we got good we got good feedback from the kitchen table conversations and the in-person workshop, but yeah, I mean many people took the time to really write down detailed responses to that survey. So, yeah, we're feeling good about our public engagement so far. Stay tuned for the date for that workshop in May.

For the workshop in May, okay. Yes, please come out to that. All right, good. Thank you. Thank you very much and we will see you soon. Keep up the good work. Thanks to [snorts] all the volunteers on the committee. Okay, next up we have Ken. Is Ken with us here tonight? There he is. Am I up right now or

You're up. You're up now, Ken. We have Ken Worstell from one of our engineering firms, Creighton Manning. Um, a few years back we chose to have uh a second engineering firm represent us that has particular expertise in transportation. And so, uh we hired Creighton Manning to do a town-wide speed limit study and Ken, if you could explain to uh the folks at home what exactly that means. Uh, certainly. So, um, what we are looking at uh what we did with uh this project so far is we took all the roads. Um, we have a list of everything that the town uh has and um it's pretty much categorized. So, there are some roads that are clearly residential. Um, kids are riding their bikes, they're playing basketball in the street, walking dogs, etc. Um, so those are all uh kind of categorized as a you know, an A category meaning they are very likely to be posted at a 25 mph speed limit because that's the environment uh they're in. Um, and we probably have well over a hundred of those types of roads, you know, in this list right now. Uh, then we looked at some of the other roads that are a little bit more longer, uh have less residential density on it. A little bit more like, you know, to get from point A to point B you've got to traverse this road. Um, and categorize them into uh a B uh which really is just a, you know, maybe a 30 to a 35 mph zone. Uh, and then we had maybe just one or two that were 40 or above and those roads kind of already exist. Rockefeller was one of those that that was on that. Um, our goal right now is to

not go and sample every single road because there's, you know, over a hundred of them and some of these roads are miles long, so you could get, you know, different speeds at different ends of it. Um, but identify those roads that fit those categories and sample them and then apply that those findings from that road to the other roads, you know, in that category. Uh, so our goal right now is just to look through this list. This is a first, you know, cut of this. It's preliminary. Um, because DOT has jurisdiction over these roads and setting those speed limits, we want to take this file and send it over to them and say this is our proposed uh categorization and uh locations of study. If you agree to that, we'll go out and do the engineering study. Uh, produce our findings and then offer that to the town and to DOT as recommendations. So, the A, B, and C comes from DOT classifications? No. No, they're they're our desktop review of those roads in the town. So So, could you could could we decide to have a a speed limit less than 25 mph in residential areas? No. No. 25, so uh years ago 30 mph was the lowest speed limit and maybe 2 years ago the legislation that changed that to down to 25. That's what I was talking about earlier that we successfully lobbied to get the ability to bring our roads down to 25 because it had been at 30. So, we succeeded with that and in the meantime we worked on College Park, Forest Park and so we were successful in those neighborhoods, but we have to supply an engineering study unfortunately because we still haven't been granted home rule on these matters. So, sorry to interrupt, but I just Well, for for back up for the folks who haven't necessarily been paying attention to the last four or five six years we've been doing speed

reduction requests with DOT. I think at one time Linden Park had a 20 mph speed limit. It wasn't necessarily legal.

It wasn't. DOT or somebody saw that, it got revised to 35 mph and then that still feels like that's not appropriate for the neighborhood. So, then the engineering study came and said no, 25 is appropriate for that. That got submitted to DOT. I don't remember how long it took on that, but it was probably at least, you know, nine months to a year before they finally said yeah, we agree with it. We've looked at it and and agree [clears throat] with that recommendation. Okay, so the first step is you classify. Obviously everybody would like every road, especially their road, to be reduced down to 25, but we know the reality is not that that's not going to be the result, is it? And that's the the the difficult thing. Yeah. Yes, there's a balance between accessibility and livability on a particular street with uh mobility and obviously we wouldn't take the thruway and drop that down to 25 mph because it's not designed for that. Uh, just as we wouldn't take a residential road and say, well, let's make that 45 mph because let's get people to cut through. Um, there are appropriate speeds for different roads and that's what we're trying to do with this first cut um and then obviously if DOT agrees with this outline, we study it, uh produce our uh engineering studies, submit that back to, you know, DOT and then they take their time to to review that. So, they're going to have a response to this list. You're going to then maybe come back and tell us they had these comments and share that with us and then and then we'll go ahead with the actual traffic counts or or speed analysis that you'll be doing on those sample roads. That's correct. Yes. Okay. Any any questions so far? You'll be back And

just again for the folks at home, we do not have the authority to uh [clears throat]

create the speed limits on the roads and in fact, I think somebody referenced the highway super uh tonight. The highway super brought to our attention years ago that DOT um said they would not entertain any speed reduction requests until we put the proper speed limit signs out on the roads, which we did do and they did do them. Highway Department did do. And um so now that the legal speed limit on the roads are there, they will entertain requests to lower that to the appropriate level. Apparently developers put up 20 mph speed limits, which are not enforceable, it's not the legal speed limit and could not help us because we can't bring anybody who bring an action a legal action against somebody speeding through uh a street or community uh with signs that are not compliant with the law and the speed limit on the road. So, um all of that for background again in case folks haven't been you know, uh tuning in over the years. So, I have one quick question before I wrap up your section.

[clears throat] You have one road which is listed as A, B, and C. It's Picture Lane. Is that because it's segmented or is that What How How is it possible that you have those three different categories for one road? Uh, at different sections of it. So, I believe on the uh east side of Route 9, there's a short little segment. It might be a couple hundred feet long.

Yeah. So, 45 doesn't, you know, That goes into Upper Road. It's like the little side streets here getting from the back of town hall to, you know, out to the main street. You wouldn't make that 45. Uh, but then there's another longer, much longer stretch of it in the list of there. It's just the only one that was listed that way. But can some roads have more than one speed limit? Certainly. Um, ideally we keep it, you know, um You said Wells back, you know, there's that section where it's there's a lot of residential homes. Uh, that would be lower than the rest of it which Well, there's a couple of sections there. Yeah, I mean Wells back, you know, coming out of um the county road going west, uh it hits kind of I wouldn't say it's kind of an intersection and then it turns north and then it turns into Kelly Road if you stay on, you know, the road. Uh, so you have that north section and then you also have like uh you know, the old alignments where it came in uh to Route 9G at a at an angle, so they created another little um corner, you know, to cut the corner out. So, those I believe in here are separate pieces. Uh, but yes, we would look at all of that um and identify if if there's a section of road that should be different than the [clears throat] the other end. Thank you. And I would note that we're only looking at town roads, we're not looking at the state highways or the county roads. And the town may have some limits of what a private road, you know, can post on on their or we're not looking at that. Good. Um any other questions for Ken? So Ken, when do you think that you'll be back to us maybe? I mean, I know it's it's not fair to ask you because you have to wait for DOT. You can But do you have a general sense of what it might be? Yeah, um I can get this out

to DOT and try and get fit have them give me an estimate of how long it's going to take. Obviously, they're not reviewing a big detailed, you know, engineering study. So, it shouldn't take them 6 months. And get back to me? Okay. Uh but I would say probably by summer um you know, we should have that list back to us and and doing our our data collection. Very good. All right. Uh Okay. Does does the town have a right to put up those speed detectors? You know, that would you need special permission to do that, you know, on certain roads? They they tell you how fast you're going and say yes or no. Uh driver feedback signs, these are basically um a digital sign that tells you your speed is and reads it back. Um yes, the town uh the town and the town highway superintendent would have the ability to to review a location for that and install those. Thank you, Ken. Appreciate it. Safe safe driving home. I think the bad weather didn't materialize, but It did to the north and it will to the south. I think it's We're we're in a sweet spot.

Yes. All right, Ken. We'll we'll take it. Okay. Hang on one second. We would have technical difficulties Okay.

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Okay, uh sorry. Next up, we have the water district surplus properties. Again, we have the maps up here. Um these are properties owned by the water district not the town. I think I explained maybe there was some uh notion that others might have thought it was already owned by the town. Uh this parcel here, I can use my pointer. I'm going to go to the yellow one. I think it's a little easier. 2130 used to be owned by the water district. It was also conveyed uh previously to um the town. This is where the path exits um from Rec Park West. 23 213300 You can see uh there is a pond here.

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A lot of these parcels, you can see why they uh would make sense if we're trying to protect you know, the water resources. Used to have wells, I think I mentioned uh earlier uh in a previous meeting. Um you will no longer have wells. It doesn't have a future with that. Um and these parcels are mostly uh you know, undevelopable lands. And so the water uh board chairman has asked for some time now to dispense with these surplus properties. And it seems to me that would be a good time considering that there's, you know, money that's needed for the water storage tank. And so we're following up on previous meetings. The first step would be to uh propose that they be included. And again, I was not previous uh I think the 2019 edition was the one where hundreds of properties with water resources were added. Um as to why this wasn't, but perhaps they looked at the ownership and said town of Round Hill thought the town of Round Hill already owns it, but um it's actually the water district. So, if you look at parcel access, we'll see it's a combined property owned by the water district. So, the first step would be we would need to include these in the plan if we wanted [clears throat] to uh after we get an appraisal, um if we wanted to uh go ahead and transfer them, sell them from the water district to the town. And so, it's a simple local law amending the current plan as we've done in previous uh occasions when an opportunity has come up. We would have to classify, that's what this resolution is, what type of action it is, which is just an acquisition

from uh part of government to another. And um we have uh prepared by our planner uh to I think of green plan, a short uh environmental assessment form uh detailing the action. Um the name of the action is adoption of local law A proposed to amend the CPP and use community preservation funds to acquire water board parcels. Just again to reiterate, we will not take action to acquire the parcels until we have an appraisal and an understand what some the values are. But in the meantime, it needs to be included in the plan. And the community preservation plan is supposed to list all the parcels that would at least be eligible for consideration. It doesn't mean that they can fund it all of the parcels. Uh these are the five parcels that are listed in the description of the action. This is Linden Acres. It's between Aspen Wall and Aldi. Um And so uh The total acreage is 8.55 acres. Contiguous properties owned or controlled by the applicant or project sponsor. So, the town owns the adjoining Rec Park West. We acquired it that parcel back in 2000 8. Um And uh we've used it for Rec Park West and it's mansion and it's the entrance to the Salt Hill uh trails with Winnakee. Winnakee there.

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These are land use uh land uses that occur on or adjoining the properties listed here as well. And this is um statements related to the proposed action, whether or not it's permitted, it's consistent with comprehensive plan. Uh Consistent with the character of the community. We do not have a critical environmental area in this town. Would it increase traffic on the road? Um It's not applicable. It applies to many of these items in the EAF. It's not in near or next to a significant historic feature. Does it contain wetlands or other water bodies? Yes, it does. There's a state wetland that I illustrated on the screen. Would the proposed action physically alter or encroach into any existing wetland or water body? No, the action is just the acquisition of the properties. Well, it's not though. I I I have a few comments about this and I'm in support of of the acquisition potentially, but we have the same problem here that we that we had when we were talking about Camp Rising Sun where we're looking at our EAF and we don't have a plan of what we're going to do. So, it's not going to it's not like environmental review is not just acquisition. We should know if we're going to put a bench or a path or there's going to be disturbance. That's all part of Otherwise, we're we're segmenting ourselves. So, um

Well, that's ideal. The I'll just give you an an example of why that's ideal, but not often the case. So, we just talked about the adjoining Rec Park West parcel. That was acquired by uh the town from um the other McMurry side of the family in Leonia and it was acquired nearly two decades ago. Nothing was done to that parcel for 15 years, 16 years. And so the plan for that was developed Hang on. The plan for that was developed um what what came out of that was or it was during COVID, I remember cuz we had a stop construction so 4 or 5 years ago. So, the point is if you don't have a plan If you have a plan, absolutely, you have to study it. If you have a plan for the property, what you're going to do, if you're going to do any development on the property. And all we've done is suggest, "Hey, we could throw out a couple benches on." I don't know that we can do anything more than that with these properties. I don't know if you've had a chance to go out there to take a look at them. But yes, if we develop a plan, yes, we should and must study that, but we don't have a plan for this parcel unless you'd like to propose a full build out plan. In my opinion, we should have a plan. Yeah. And it could be as simple as putting in a few benches or a mowed path or there should be a way to to access the property and make it into a pocket park as you suggested, and I think that would be really positive, but I think that we're rushing into this. It's It's not a lot of It's not a large amount of work, but before we take this action, we do know we need to take a hard look at what we're doing. And if we truly didn't have plans for 15 years, then SEQR would support that, but we we do have plans. We want to put a bench and we want to do something, so we should figure out what that something is.

And we should make sure that that's included in our environmental review. And secondly, what I asked at the last meeting was globally to understand what the maintenance cost is of the parks and the and the paths, and we talked about um the cooking hand paths that needed to be regraded. We talked about paths that were going to be be put in at Camp Rising Sun and understanding a a breakout of of what those those ongoing costs look like.

All those costs are included in the monthly reports that you receive. If you want even further detail on each and every acquisition, you can get that. what we That's what we discussed at the last meeting. All All of those costs of of what that looks like. All of those costs are included in the budget lines that you receive in your monthly meeting. If you want further breakout, aware of that. Well, we I I I do want further breakout, so I will clarify that for the second time. We can make it another dog park that nothing got done with like I thought a number. I asked I asked you to please not interrupt. You don't have a plan for I asked you to please not interrupt.

That's what we do. We get land without plans. Just waste some more taxpayer money. Folks, if we would like to acquire these properties in time for the financing of the water storage tank so that we know the rehab of the water storage tank, we need to take actions on this very soon. Okay? Because there has to be a period of which if you are conceptually okay with at least exploring the acquisition of this parcel, I I under these parcels I understand you said, "We do have a plan. We have a I don't have a plan." I don't I didn't hear anybody propose [clears throat]

a plan here. I just suggested we could throw a couple of benches out there perhaps, but no, there's no plan for this property to to be studied. It is surplus property. The water district would like to dispose of it. We don't have to acquire it. So, the water district at its next meeting could determine that they and ask the town board that they would like to just sell the property. Now, to to my mind, that doesn't make sense for us not to try to get in line to be the ones to acquire it on behalf of the taxpayers with uh community preservation funds. So, I would support taking this first step. And no, I don't have a plan for the property. I just suggested we could put a couple of benches there. We don't have to put a couple of benches. That is not a plan. And so,

I support the acquisition. I feel like we're going about this the wrong way, and I think that it's it's it's the same It's the same comments that I've said multiple times. It's not It's not a tremendous amount of work to conceptualize where we're going to put benches or or a path through this parcel. And I think that we could do that and communicate with the water board and get this through in a time that worked for everybody. There's I think we should look for a solution that Have you visited the parcels? Yes. Okay. Um the rec the rec commission has not taken a look at the parcels. The The parcels I wouldn't even go on the parcels at this point just because of the nature of of the season, but you know, to to say let's hurry up and come up with a plan, I don't know. It doesn't seem to to make sense to me, but I've I've suggested it's going to be a passive park. I mean, that's what or a nature preserve, which is exactly what that parcel on fellow Newmark was donated for was a nature preserve. Had nothing to do with the a dog park. Um So, you know, again, I appreciate that. It'd be lovely to have a full plan. The The The time isn't there to do something like that in my opinion. Now, what do What do others feel? Jacob? He's going I mean, I don't have any major concerns with having a plan at this point for an acquisition. I don't think we have a plan to do anything in the And if you want to propose something, like I'm open to that, but I don't I don't know that this needs like Yeah, I I mean, we've we've talked about like the the plan of simply putting a few benches in and a path through the parcel could be included in this in this short EAF. And And the disturbance can be defined and that that It's It's just I I don't think it's right for us to move forward

and just say it's an acquisition when we have the first time that you brought it up, Robert, you said, "Yeah, be great. It's a pocket park. We'll put in a few benches." Like there was an idea that was connected with the purchase. And so, I don't think we're going to wait 15 years to put in a few benches. And so, as a matter of procedure, we should include that in this in this process and look at it in one review. Well, I don't I don't know if that's appropriate. And again, I'll go back to the previous example. Back in 2007-ish, um the property owners at the time of our park west had indicated that they were wanting to sell the property. Um the supervisor at the time had had her eye on property up on Freeborn Lane for about another rec park plan. Um you know, I was asked by the rec commission and and uh rec director, [clears throat] and and we we visited other properties, and there was an opportunity to acquire some property. It was a I might say a difficult negotiation, but you know, on behalf of the town, uh we were able to negotiate an acquisition of a portion of land. Ultimately, the remainder of the land will go on to to be owned by Winneke. We had no specific plan except we knew that it made absolute sense for us to acquire the land directly across from our rec park for future recreational park needs. That was it. And so, you know, I I appreciate your point of view, but I'm more optimistic and I'm uh whether it's the UTS property, whether it's the cooking ham, I want to be prepared to move and act quickly if it makes sense to do so and if we don't have the appropriate time to come up with a plan, which I don't believe we have uh time to do so. And I

And I wouldn't want to. I mean, that's the thing. I wouldn't want to rush to come up with a plan so we can say we have a plan so that we can put that in the SEQR. That doesn't That to me doesn't seem [clears throat] to make sense. If we believe that it makes sense for the town to acquire from the water board so nobody else does to protect the water resources, let's do that. Let's see how much it would cost. We've got millions of dollars in the community preservation fund. And then let's ask the rec commission. Let's ask the trail committee. Let's ask all of them to go out there and get their feedback, their input, and see if we can put that in the plan. I I I I disagree with you. I don't think that's the intent of SEQR. The intent of SEQR is to study that which you know you are doing. And you mentioned benches the first time that you brought this up. I only suggested as a possibility we could put benches there. That is not a plan. I'm sorry, you can't study one person's suggestion. This is an acquisition. This is how it goes. You do acquisition, and then, you know, you you decide what ultimately you can do and fit on that property. So, acquire the boat club, then decide what you want to do with it. Folks, I asked you not to interrupt. Can we Can we change the SEQR down the road? Uh no, you you have to you have to do what you what you know and include it in in in one action. And if you know you're going to do something, they define it as a hard look. So, there [clears throat] are there and it's there there's there's a limit to where it starts to get gray because there are times when you don't know and your circumstances change. But you can't segment a project and say, "I'm just going to do this part and I'm going to do an environmental review for one piece and then do a environmental review for another piece shortly after." That's frowned upon. So,

the intent of SEQR is do the environmental review one time for everything that you know, even if your plans are way down the line. That's That's right. Everything that you know.

all only thing you could say is that that border is Brick Park West. And looking at the development, you know, the 100 acres, it looked like they have a nice path coming out of here. Brick Park West right into there. And have a path for kids or whomever to to access access Brick Brick Park West from the north side. Well, hang on. What? There is a path here. Right there. That's what I said earlier. 2313. That is where the path exists right now coming out of Brick Park West. You see where my cursor is, Kenny? No. To the right. Over to the right here. I'm trying to move it around so you can see it. Far right at the bottom of Aspen Hall. The path comes out here. This is where you keep going. Yeah, it should be over here. What? Okay, this is the the wetlands ends here. So, it seems like it should sweep right by here. There's the wetland. Okay. Oh, I see it. Okay. There's the pond draining into Brick Park West. The the path is over here. Okay? Okay. All right. The parcels we're talking about don't include that. The path already comes out. We already have an entrance into Brick Park West. What we don't have is a is a um I mean, we have the red and the blue uh parts of the trail. And I think I articulated that. I You know, I know you weren't here at the last meeting, but I did articulate where the blue trail is. It's over here. Okay? And the red trail exits somewhere off screen over here. And people go down First Street, and then they connect to the blue trail. The only question is, would it make sense to have And again, by positing we could put a bench there,

that is not something to study. There's no disturbance with placing a bench. And I'm not suggesting a pathway through this property. People come out here. Excuse me. And then they could walk here. If they needed a place to sit, you wanted to place a bench, that you could do. I've already mentioned that there's an easement here, a mowing easement that was granted many years ago. I'm not quite sure how that came about. Are you joining our salon? I mean, is it Where's Is there a crosswalk going across Aspen Hall? There is no crosswalk right now by Aspen Hall. So, all of these things would need to take some time and to study how we would [clears throat] want to if we would want to develop this parcel. Just like it took years to figure out how to develop Brick Park West to begin with. But we took the opportunity to acquire and did ultimately come up with a plan. And then put lots of community input, lots of engineering studies, whatever, and developed Brick Park West and will continue to do as as needs arise. So, again, all I'm saying is the action is the acquisition. Your question was about seeker. Once we we decide, "Hey, let's do a path. Let's put in benches. Let's dig here. Let's build there." Then yes, we do have to redo and do a new seeker for the development of the parks, just like we did with Looking down. Just like we did with Brick Park West and so on and so forth. That being said, let's What was Shall we continue with the EAF or is there enough

What do you think, Kenny? Bill? Well, I I do want to say something about this this issue clear. I've been the liaison to the water board for six plus years. And ever since I was the liaison, I go to all the water board meetings. And the issue of the water department selling these parcels of land has come up repeatedly over the years. Not in the context of funding the water tower, but just in that it's surplus property that they just don't use. They were originally acquired many years ago because they thought they were going to use wells and they changed their mind. It's wetland. It's really not developable. And from my perspective, you're transferring one piece of property that the town owns to another town entity. The town currently does not collect any real estate tax on those properties. It sits idle. Um and it's an opportunity to help lower the tax burden from the bond that we we approved a bond on here for like 1.6 something million to cover the tank. If we can achieve some additional revenue from the disposal of those properties from the from the water department and then we own it as a town, it would generate money to help lower the cost for those water department users to fund the You're shaking your head no, but this is a reality. I got to Come to the meeting. We have a meeting tomorrow night at 7:00 back there at Sabroso's. Oh, that's why you have another meeting. Come on, let's let's No, my point is this is transparent. This is transparent. And the idea here is because of having to fund a new tank, this would help with that process. And the nearly 500 users of our water, which we have a statutory legal obligation to provide to them, will help reduce the burden of an increase in their water usage. [clears throat] Now, I don't know if anybody in here lives in a water

department and gets water from the water district, but the reality is that the water department for many years kept prices artificially low to help our our residents. And now the bill's coming due. And this is an opportunity to help lower that coming coming forward when we do the tank. That's all it is. I don't You know, I'm I see this as undevelopable land. It's water It's wetland. I'd like to preserve it as a wetland because that's what helps keep our water clean and helps stop flooding. And I I just I I don't see this as a particularly controversial or major issue. And you know, maybe other people disagree with me, but I'm not looking at this as a pocket park. I'm looking at this as an opportunity to transfer one piece of property that the water department, which is a part of the town, to the other part of the town so that the water department can raise revenue to help pay for the tank. That's it. If down the road the town decides and this board decides that they like to develop that land into a pocket park or do something with it, then that's something that we can discuss down the road. But for right now and right here, this is all I see it as. So, I I have no objection to to seeing this right through. And besides which, we wouldn't even know if it would be a deal until it gets appraised. So, we don't know what the value of those properties are. And so, in order to do the appraisal, we have to do this. It's just It's a procedural thing. So, you know, that's That's where I am on this. Bill, what only benefits 500 customers? All right, so the rest of the town is going to absorb the burden of you paying from town Please don't interrupt. These This is I'm not TALKING TO HIM. I'M ASKING HIM A QUESTION.

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BUT THE MONEY THAT'S BEING USED TO acquire or to go The money that's being transferred to the water department from the town. It's from the CPS fund. So, it's not taxpayer money. It's It's money you people that I just thought now that that answers my question. Thank you. So, you Thank you, Bill. You're welcome. Sets a precedent, Ron. Thank you. All right, folks. We we do need to continue with our agenda tonight. So, am I hearing there's enough support to keep moving forward? I'm If we took a vote If we took a vote tonight, I would vote against it as a matter of process. Okay. Fine. Supportive of If we revise the the the EAF and and we do a little bit more work and then I would support it. Okay. Well, I I don't have a plan for the property and I would not want to revise it to reflect the plans. I No rec person has been out there, no trails person, no water person has been out there to take a look at what's possible and what's logical. So, I'm going to recommend we don't make any changes to just an acquisition. And if it takes years to figure out what if anything can be done on that property, that's what it's going to take. Um any other thoughts? Do we have at least a majority that want to continue to explore the acquisition? Kenny? Sure. Okay. Thank you. All right. We went through acreage. We're now down to We went through flora. Water bodies, obviously no water bodies. Land nature preserves are listed acceptable use of CPF funds. And this will be protected if town acquires it. Does the site of the proposed action

contain any species of animal or associated habitats listed by the state or federal government as threatened or endangered? Is the project site located in the flood plain? [clears throat] No. Parcel and there's one detail, one of the parcels is within 500 ft of the flood plane. Um, will the proposed action create storm water discharge? No. Um, does the proposed action include construction or other activities that would result in the impoundment of water or other liquids? No. Has the site uh or proposed action on adjoining property been the location of an active or closed solid waste management facility? Has the site of the proposed action or adjoining property been the subject of remediation? No. For the information that was utilized, the mapping. Um, so we have to classify the action. Any questions about that EAF? Uh, recognizing Councilperson Ducharmes' comments. Um, any other uh comments on that? So we do have a resolution. This would be resolution, Diana? 13. 15? 13.

13. Uh, classifying the action and establishing lead agency. Um, the Town Board has proposed amendments to the Community Preservation Plan, Local Law A of 2026 and the Town Board and has proposed the disposition of certain surplus parcels on behalf of the Town of Red Hook Water District and has proposed the acquisition of such parcels using money from the Community Preservation Act Fund and an Environmental Assessment Form dated April 2015. This is for April Well, what is the today's date? April 14th. We'll include that in the resolution. Was prepared. The board has reviewed the thresholds for type one and type one actions. This does not rise to a type one or type two. Um, and that's our determination. And uh we have uh approval authority with respect to these proposed actions. The Town Board hereby determines the proposed action is unlisted and declares itself lead agency. The determination of significance will [clears throat] be made at such time as all reasonably necessary information has been received by the Town Board to enable it to determine whether the action will or will not have a significant effect on the environment.

[snorts] And that is resolution number 13. Would somebody like to move 13? So moved. Bill, is there a second? Second. All right, are there further discussion on classifying the action? Hearing none, all in favor, Penny? Aye. Aye. Myself, aye. Jacob? Aye. Aye. Christina?

Nay. Nay. Resolution passes four to one. We have resolution number 14 establishing a date for a public hearing regarding the adoption of Local Law A proposed of 2026 by the Town Board of the Town of Red Hook regarding an amendment to the Community Preservation Plan and that's to include these five parcels. Um, the proposed form of the Local [snorts] Law A proposed uh adopting an amendment to the Community Preservation Plan. And so our recommendation would be that we hold a public hearing at our May 12th. Give us enough time to gather the appraisal information, refer this to the Community Preservation Fund Advisory Board and get their input on that as well. May 12th, uh shall we say uh 7:35 at the Town Hall? Okay. Any objections [clears throat] to that? No. This is resolution number 14 to hold a public hearing May 12th at 7:35. And I so move. Is there a Second. All in favor. Aye. Aye. Aye. Nay. Nay. Four to one. All right. Uh we're resolution uh to consider to let the bids on the well rehab. I think Councilman Campbell uh spoke about this at a previous meeting. Um, you get monthly reports. They want to rehab well number one. Um, and so they'd like to let bids. There's a lengthy document on the town website. You can read the specs associated with that. Um, the Town Engineer, Tim Budd, has

prepared revised plans and specifications to solicit the bids for well number one rehabilitation project for Water District number one. Now, therefore, be resolved that the Town Board of the Town of Red Hook does hereby authorize and direct the solicitation of bids for the project with bids to be received until 2 a.m. I don't know why it says 2 a.m. Don't think it's meant to say a.m. It's meant to say 2 p.m. Talk with counsel on that. Um, and the suggestion would be that we would do it for at least 3 weeks. So, um, if we wanted to take action on May 12th, wanted to do 3 weeks, I think we're looking at May 5th.

[clears throat] So, why don't we input May 5th, 2026? Let's make that correction to 2 p.m. or such time as determined by the supervisor [clears throat] provided that such [snorts] publication shall appear not less than 5 days prior to the date set for the bid. Resolution number 15. We have 15 now. Sorry.

15. Yeah. Okay, uh authorizing the solicitation of bids. Who would like to move this? I'll move it. Bill of the water. Uh I'll second. 15. Any further discussion? If not, all in favor, Christina? Aye. Jacob?

Aye. Myself, aye. Aye. Bill? Aye. Thank you very much. Okay. Uh we had a presentation many months ago by Professor Duper and some others from the Is it HBCAN? I think that's the name of the group. Um, uh Professor Duper out of Bard air monitoring uh that's happening now. There's one now on the Tivoli Library. They've asked us if we would sponsor three. Had that request since last year. Um, and then we would put one here in Town Hall and then one at the Rec Park. And so um here are the slides again since it has been uh but a few months for the public. Yeah, it's the Hudson Valley Community Air Network. Um, they're not just testing our municipality, they're testing adjoining municipalities and I'm sure you know um we live in a valley and so air quality really is um something to be sensitive about and to be able to monitor it and hyper local monitoring um and be important. Obviously, having the data is integral to uh understanding um you know, when air quality is an issue and helping to communicate

[clears throat]

to the public whether changes in our behavior or else um market impact. Um, and here are some of their slides previously. They've been doing Kingston for quite some time now. I won't reiterate their their presentation, but just to go over what they're asking for is that we sponsor three uh one-time purchase of three PurpleAir sensors and accessories. Um, an $1,125 annual subscription fee to have the three sensors on the public dashboard. That means that we can access the data. We can public access the data. And uh find out what their quality is. And um there is an annual fee to have uh the lab installed and maintained sensors. Um, Jacob, this this runs through Bard. This would be a contract [snorts] that runs through Bard. I guess I I I didn't know if it was through the town. HBCAN. I didn't know if it was through Bard's assistance. It's through the Bard lab. And if it is, then I would recuse myself. Okay. So, if you wouldn't mind

Yeah. All right. So, this is for Recusing as far as my employment with Is is Bard doing anything then? Uh providing their their lab and their resources. We can get you the answer to that question. Uh Let's see what they've got in their presentation. Yeah, they've created the platform. It's a coalition. Yeah. Yeah. What's that? Well, again, this is for three stations not on the bar on the bar campus there. This is for stations throughout the the community. I'm not sure. They're they're coordinating and trying to assist communities in helping to um is monitor that It's live data

[snorts]

that gets access through our website town website. I do want to say that when this presentation, which was last year, was given the one thing that resonated with me was they made clear that when you open up your phone, I check the air quality and you know when there's forest fires in Canada and you smell it. What what they said was that the air quality you get on your phone it's unclear where the safe sensors are. This is live wherever the sensors are and it's happening in real time. So, I you know, my it resonated for me that if we had a sensor you know, on the roof of the library or in various strategic spots, then we would really know in here in Red Hook uh what the true uh issue was with the air. I think they yeah, they have been sponsoring a couple of these in our community and then I they're looking to uh get some assistance from the communities themselves in helping to financially support these efforts. We benefit from from knowing about the data. Um it's not someone like for many years they were paying for the water testing on the Salt Hill water the Salt Hill watershed community has been doing a lot of uh

[clears throat]

um testing and a lot of that ran through Bard's lab and labs. Um so, there was a lot of um savings that uh was was approved because of that. Uh but, they've also asked us in the past to help uh assist with some testing of um uh the water samples as well. So, yeah, it's [snorts] not a lot of money. Um I think it'd be good to know about air quality. Again, air pollution Yeah, I don't need to mention this before. I don't need to air pollution is a significant uh thing. Folks, I'm going to ask you please if you if you if you could take your conversations out outside, please. Air pollution is is uh the leading cause of of chronic illness. Um okay, what what shall we do? What's your thoughts?

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Kenny, do So, this is a new this is new. This is a new program? No, they they've been sponsoring this for a while. They're asking us if they will if we will sponsor three of this. They are trying to do sort of a uh broad, you know, they're doing it in Kingston. They're trying to get with the Hudson Valley. They're trying to get monitoring just like they've been monitoring water samples, they're trying to monitor air quality for all of our benefit. So, if we all get on like you'll be able to see what the air quality is in not only in your community, but also in the adjoining communities as well. Yeah, it's not in this I'm looking for it cuz he did say my recollection was how many of these are all that they are monitoring in in the in this general area. It's not on here. Yeah, I don't have a problem. I think it's great. Okay. All right. Um So, is there a motion to approve this request? We'll take a look at how these reports are. I did speak with the mayor of Tivoli. Their monitor is already up there. Um I think it was They've previously sponsored um Tivoli. These are the requests. One is Tivoli library, one is Red Hook Park, and one is Town Hall.

[clears throat] Okay, a motion to approve. So moved. Thank you. I'll second that. Thank you, William. Any further discussion? If not, all in favor. Kenny? Aye. And myself, aye. William? Aye. Christina?

Aye. Thank you very much. Jacob, we're we're finished with that. All right, thank you. All right, we're moving on to we have one item on the reorder. Um we received sometime back uh uh with regrets um our ZBA chair who's done a really a stellar job um has decided I think we have two ZBA um uh applicants. Two ZBA to deal with. Yes, cuz uh cuz Chris Close I I received an email that Chris Close um communicated the need for medical leave. I I did not get anything from Chris. Well, I didn't get it from Chris. It was Chris sent it to the secretary. Oh, I did not I did not get that. It wasn't forwarded to me either in the machine. I ran into her and she said he had sent it in sometime ago. And it was it was recommended so they have an they have an alternate Susan Grover. Okay. And they're looking to appoint her as a full member. Did you ask for this? Is Susan Is Susan willing to be a full member? Um I Yeah, I have no no problem appointing Susan if she'd like to be, but I don't like appointing people unless they ask to be appointed. And that's a that's a that's a

[laughter] that's a valid point. Right. I think I interpreted that wrong in that email then.

Okay. Okay. You you know Susan, right? I do. Um and you're the liaison to ZBA, right? I am not. Oh. Who is Christina? Yeah, we Christina, would you would you reach out, please, and ask her if she's willing to serve? Yes. So, with that being said then, Well, right now we're we we need to do the chair thing cuz the ZBA needs to have a chair and I think Kate has done her last meeting. This was her last meeting as chair. She's staying. My understanding is she's staying on the board till the end of the calendar year. Okay. Okay, good. Her term expires at the end of the calendar year, but okay. So, why don't we make a motion and Christina, you'll follow up with us. That'd be great if Susan would step step up and be the chair. Um Who would like to make the motion of appointing someone as chair? My understanding what I did receive communication on is that her brother Kate is Chris Carney is willing to be chair. Is that right? Do I have that right? Christina? I am not aware. Uh uh I didn't receive any communication on on Okay. Well, All right. Well, Do we want to just do this together at the next cuz we're going to meet again before Before they meet.

before the ZBA meets. Okay. Can you Can you confirm both of those things then? Yes. Okay. Thanks very much. All right. Well, we almost did something. [snorts]

Next up we have discussion proposed seeker modifications. Again, just to refresh uh for the public's uh benefit um out of Albany, there's um some uh concerns that maybe uh the seeker law and regulations [clears throat] that were adopted many years ago are becoming a hindrance to development of housing. I think affordable housing, but also housing in general and that the supply demand is part of what's uh contributing towards uh unaffordability in our community and other communities. And so, uh the governor's office has proposed I think for discussion amongst the legislature um some changes uh the way generally my experience in having been um you know, paying attention to these things over the last couple of decades in Albany is that maybe an opening salvo, but I don't know I don't really know if they're going to do that. Um but, there are some recommendations to try to make sure that things aren't just strung out for too long and that, you know, projects that would contribute to towards affordable housing or wouldn't necessarily have a significant environmental impacts because they were already previously disturbed lands, for example. And so that has been proposed. RCAC Jacob has brought back RCAC is interested in maybe weighing in on some of that. Do you want to I don't want to put words in your your mouth. Would you Yeah, so at the CC meeting or

last CC meeting was last Wednesday. There was a discussion about the proposal. Um There's a letter that the CC submitted. The reference is the letter that was sent by collection of groups. Some of them include Riverkeeper, Scenic Hudson, Sierra Club Atlantic Chapter, Adirondack Council, Catskill Mountainkeeper, a number of environmental organizations that acknowledge the need for affordable housing development and that some of the things that are proposed in these changes are good. But there are other things that could be adjusted to better meet the needs while still meeting the environmental protections that SEQR is meant to consider. Um So there's a number of bullet points here. I don't know if everybody had a chance to review the materials, but what the CC was asking was to affirm support for recommendations in the letter that they shared. Um to share that information with the governor, assembly majority leader, assembly speaker, and our representatives. Um That's basically what they're asking is for us to make a statement about this. So I said I would bring their concerns to the board, share the letter that they referenced, and see if there's something we were interested in. How much time do we have to respond? Yeah, I I don't have a good answer on that. It's related to the budget process, which I think is something that's also a little bit unusual here that it's happening here instead of as its own standalone

unusual.

Yeah. And and and I'm wondering if the planning board has this gone past the planning board? And are they aware? And I mean if we're going to weigh in on it, that would be um an important voice. Yeah. You know, typically this is part of the budget. So just again, if you're not familiar with what how legislation gets passed up there, some things often times are included in the budget because it's part of a sort of a grand negotiation that takes place up up there. Um Budget typically is a requirement is April 1st to pass the budget. Often times there's budget extenders, [clears throat] so we're already in middle April. Um I'm hearing that, you know, the budget could be passed anywhere end of the month to the first week in May. And I should back up and say that, you know, in my role with the supervisors and mayors association we invited both Association of Towns legislative person and also the New York conference on mayors, and they gave a presentation on legislation, which they do each year, that's up in Albany that may be impactful to local communities, and they spoke on on this, and it seemed that the group as a whole generally was supportive of some changes for SEQR to make sure that some things can get built. And and and they were [clears throat] the ones that were handicapping it and saying that the budget may be passed late as the first week in May. I don't know that we would have um time for you know, sort of a thorough review. I mean, I don't know have you all had a chance to take a look at this legislation and come up with your own

thoughts? No. No, we were right. I mean, I I have it and I'm I'm very interested in it. I mean, I would I think I could do it before the next meeting, but I I didn't know this I wasn't aware of this until I got the the packet at 2:00 p.m., so Um Well, I thought You didn't get the email that we sent You sent it around. I Jacob sent it around. Yeah, I mean that's fine. I just Yeah, I I share things over the weekend that I got from the Yeah, on Friday.

Friday. Um But but anyway, I mean I think we still would want to consider it anyway. Bill, kind of interview, had a chance to review? I did. Yeah. Um my general feeling is there are things in the letter that I'm not going to disagree with, but I really think I need to have to really do a point-by-point of [clears throat] the law and what they're asking. And as a general rule, I'm not going to vote for a resolution for somebody else's letter with a bunch of people who signed it who I have no idea who they are and what these organizations are. I mean, we work with Scenic Hudson, we work with Riverkeeper, I know them. Um but there's a whole bunch of others I have no idea who who they are, and I don't have the time to do a deep dive in seeing if I would agree with them. I would rather we create our own resolution that addresses our own issues. And also in their letter there is something about disturbed areas, which I don't agree with. Um cuz we have our own disturbed area problem here in this town, and it doesn't and that doesn't address that. Um so if I was going to send something, if I was going to do it, I I probably want to be a little more specific and granular about what that is. Um but don't forget this is at the statewide level, and we are doing our comp plan, and we have the opportunity to um deal with this at a local level that's maybe more restrictive than what the state does. I know that you're concerned with Just for what it's worth, that I did say to the CC that, you know, it could be that we look at this and we agree with some of it, but not all of it. And maybe we do something, you know, sort of that reflects that. I think it's a good the letter's a good starting point at least to look at the issues that they're raising and sort of the things that they're looking at from an environmental perspective. Um I think it's a good starting point at least. It's actually I think this letter's longer than the the text of the

legislation, so some analysis in there, but Again, this is, you know, the we we talked earlier about home rule, right? How we're upset that we don't have home rule to determine our own speed limits. And here we have an opportunity to remove a mandate in certain cases, right? I mean, we locally can regulate well beyond what is included in SEQR if that's what we want, right? But it does it does open up the risk that other towns will not be as considerate of the environmental impacts Right. True. So there are some benefits to Well, there won't be any. I mean

when it's protective in this way. It would be a high perspective I think it's worth considering cuz because I think that it's not saying reject it wholesale, it's saying make some changes to make it actually meet the needs that are being proposed and like the purpose of what these changes are meant to reflect. Yeah. Um I think it's worth looking at at [clears throat] least some of those things. A few things in the letter aren't necessarily for our community specifically, but I do think that many of them do. Some of them are about, you know, scale and rural areas and like zoning things like that. What actually is affordable? I think those things are worth seeing. [clears throat]

So do we take the time between now and the next meeting and and look into it and Yeah, I mean I I would be surprised that I'm all for that. I would be surprised that in 8 days, since our next meeting is in 8 days, that we are going to come up with some stellar recommendations on how to tweak it. I'm sure everybody in New York State is going to weigh in on this on some level. Um you know, as they try to try to any local government is going to weigh in. I should have prefaced that. Weigh in on this or want to weigh in on this. You know, everybody's going to want to do it their way, right? That's the beauty of having differences of opinion. So, you know, if we want to craft something that maybe has more suggestions than criticisms. You know, the world is full of a lot of criticisms. Well, wait. I think I do think this letter is more about suggestions than criticisms. I think it's saying we very Oh, I'm not implying the letter is Yeah, but but if we want to suggest something, that would be more along the lines of that, if that makes sense. Okay. Who wants to who wants to work on that? Oh, you have you have the answer. You have the sheets, right? Okay, I apologize. Well, this is I'll have whatever discussion reflect whatever we want to say, but if we could like, you know, communicate that amongst

[clears throat]

amongst ourselves. We can communicate a part of the meeting, right? And prepare to discuss it at the next meeting. Yeah. Yeah, just just review it. If you have some suggestions to make, see if we can formulate something. If we can, we can. If we can't, we can't. And you know, they'll I think Albany's going to work it out, but to the extent that we can, you know, chime in with our thoughts as well. Yeah. So these organizations back here want us to support this. No, the CC wants us to support it. Our our conservation advisory council. So they they had reviewed the letter. They had there was discussion at last week's meeting, and I think there was, you know, consensus about doing this. They pulled together to write the letter to us to say We agree with this letter effectively. I think what they're suggesting is the lowest lift, right? Saying we agree with the principles of this letter. We would like the Town Board to adopt our resolution with the same occurrence. If we want to do something a little bit different, I think that's fine. If there's something else you feel strongly about or if there's something we don't think is important we want to remove the resolution or something like that, I think that's fine. I mean, they're talking about the functional land. I don't understand. About this disturbance. So so maybe we There's a lot to unpack I guess. We can talk about it at the next meeting. Right. If if we want to do anything at all. Like I said, I said I would just bring this to the board's attention. If you want to say something, great. If you don't, it's great. This letter is still already submitted. So at least as far as, you know, what the CAC is suggesting, this has been communicated to, you know, the governor. Others. Okay. Um last item we have and maybe just a brief uh discussion because we don't have our highway super with us tonight and we can discuss at the next meeting. We had a

couple still outstanding questions on um whether or not EV uh equivalent pickup would would work in the applications. I sent to you materials um that were on hand. If that's helpful for at our next meeting, we'll see if Teresa can attend for that or maybe at the first of May. Um we did find out any of the urgency, you know, Jacob, you asked a good question. I mean, the 2016, does that one need to be cuz she wants two Chevy 3500s. Does that 2016 need to be replaced now? If she suggests it may be appropriate in a couple of years to revisit the EV possibility for that. I tried to do some research as you saw in my email um to to help with uh you know, coming to a determination um on what to purchase. Again, yes, we do uh very much appreciate our highway super um uh letting us know what equipment she needs and what they need and, you know, providing it. I thought she did a good job of of outlining it and and making an argument that that what the vehicles that she needs are not available in EV. There was no equivalent. Well, yeah. Well, that I guess yeah. I mean, I think that was the question was to was the comparison cuz she compared it to a discontinued uh vehicle. And so um she had raised at the last meeting the issue of range anxiety, which was why I followed with have you looked into the Chevy Silverado EV, which has the max range version has 478

miles to a charge. So even in the cold, you can, you know, I think you can run a whole shift, but I don't know. I need I need that feedback um from from Teresa on that. I think Jacob, you had positive the question as well as is that long enough if it goes 250 or 300 mile, is that long enough for a shift? Um and now we understand a half-ton versus a ton vehicle. The request is for two and she seemed open to swap out in a couple years if she felt that EV was more appropriate, which then I raised the question that maybe we should look at leasing a vehicle. If she wants to If we're concerned, why would we buy into 20 years worth of old technology, maybe a dirty a dirty fuel source um if that's not going to be Can you pull up her chart though with with she did that a comparison cuz we we had asked her to to give back up for for why an EV wasn't going to work and she put together a a pretty

me let me uh do that. I thought that I thought the comparison was for the discontinued vehicle, which was the Ford Lightning, which doesn't have anywhere near the right Here's the chart. Is that Yes. No, no, yeah. Yes. Um I don't think she was really giving us the information about what the EV was. It was just acknowledging that there were tradeoffs between the vehicles. Is it that how I read it at least? There wasn't any specific number about what the range she would need is or or anything like that.

Right. Well, like I think she's saying that like like just as without getting into the the weeds on it, but if she says like the first the first requirement of of front axle suspension and for plowing and there's no equivalent to what she's looking for. That's fine. I mean, that's if that's the case, that's something we'd we'd like to know. She says in her in her preamble that she compared it against this one discontinued vehicle and that that's my my question is to do a comparison and make a recommendation to compare A to a one that's been discontinued and B to only one other vehicle out there. If you're trying to decide between a fossil fuel and an EV, I don't think it is it's responsive. Okay. Well, she she did say in an email in response to Jacob, which is not in this packet you handed [clears throat] today, granted. But she mentioned something I thought was interesting. She said cuz she checked with other municipalities that many of them swap out every 2 years um because they're getting the benefit of upgraded technology. And I just I I wish she was here cuz I'd like to ask why that's not something we've considered. Well, I think, you know, fiscally understand you know, you've owned cars, right? You own them the first couple years you drive them off the lot, they depreciate. You go to turn them in, right? You're not going to get a lot back. So typically, municipalities like ours, they [clears throat] keep them for a long period of time, which both is good and presents challenges because if you're buying into the old technology. And again, I use this in the analogy, you know, Steve Steve Ballmer of Microsoft said nobody will ever use a touch a touch screen uh telephone. Well,

of course, you know, we're all using them now. And so if we don't want to invest in 20 years worth of uh old technology and that can't be updated like the EVs are updated over the air like these phones are, then we can think about leasing them. If if she's determined that there is no EV currently and she's willing to swap out in a couple years, then maybe we should look into leasing. Whether it's whether it's EV or the fossil fuel one. I'm not I'm not thrilled about investing the taxpayer money into a vehicle that A is very costly to at least fuel versus the EV cuz we've got excess solar generating on top of the highway or whatever. Which we got grant funding to assist for. So that was the whole point of it. But if it's not going to do the job and again, I sent you that information because I thought it'd be helpful to for you to know there are 10 trucks in the highway department. Seven people working, 10 trucks. One van. One SUV that the highway super uses as as her vehicle as well. So in a couple of years who knows? Maybe the pickup will be the highway superintendent's vehicle or, you know, and we'll be able to consolidate a little bit to have a van, an SUV and 10 trucks. Maybe there's some greater utility there. I'm not sure why we need to do two pickups right now. Do we know if we'd be able to use chip funding for a lease or would it be just funded through our I know it's not that we necessarily have, but there's, you know, substantial and appropriate fund balance in the Yeah, she just mentioned she referenced that for the purchase of truck 3. Well, that's all part of the the the fiscal analysis and I I just really wanted to get a little more input comparing That's why my question about can we get

a plow for that Chevy Chevy Silverado? And I didn't get an answer to that. And if we can't get a plow, then obviously [clears throat] said there are plow packages available for it. Did you say? Yeah, in her letter. She just said that those plow packages are for residential light commercial applications. But I thought this one of these was for the light go around the cul-de-sac touch-up

I I thought she talked about That's what I thought, too. This is not the big trucks. These are the small trucks. And so, you know, we had a we had a winter from you know what this year. But most years, these pickups don't get used you you know, that frequently. They get used during the non-snow periods for other things where they don't need to have a plow on them. So the question is is there at least an opportunity for one of these trucks to be an EV out of the 10? Well, I'll tell you what. I personally had a had a experience of my husband had a truck and I couldn't tell you the exact specifications of it, but it was it was a decent middle-of-the-line truck and he broke it plowing our driveway.

[clears throat] Like it was within spec of what he was doing, but it didn't. So. If that's I'm not I'm not really an expert in this area, so I can't really weigh in. I just wanted to have a comparison. You want to ask the Brunel School District how the EV buses are running.

Again, again I'm going to ask you to please ask me to ask you to ask you to ask you to ask you to ask you to ask you to ask you to ask you That'd be a good start for you to look into. Please not interrupt. This town has owned an EV pickup truck for 4 years and it has worked for market applications. Applications. Okay. Um so more information we'd like to get and maybe we can look at just the inventory, the usage. You now have all of that so we can take that into account again cuz it is our responsibility to spend these funds in a way that's best for the town so we're so Okay. Um that is all the business that we have for tonight. Um I would like to make a motion. I want to thank you all for coming tonight. Stay healthy. Do a better job than I am with my sciatic nerve. Stay healthy. At this time I'd like to make a motion that we go into attorney-client session. Bill, is there any further discussion? If not, all in favor Jacob, Christina, Kenny, myself. Goodnight all. Thank you very much.