City Council - Regular Meeting

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All right, we'll go ahead and get started. Thanks for coming to the West District meeting. Um, we are going to go ahead and start right on time. We have Vernon Kesler here who's going to talk to us about some traffic studies that he's done in our district. No. Um tonight we have three packets we're going to go over. Um the first one is at 1560 uh south. We had some concerns regarding the speeding here. So I'm just going to show you some depth dishes. We talked about average speed any percentile. Uh the volume which is the number of vehicles crossing the monitoring point and directional distribution also known as directional split. Um that about how many are going which direction. So here's the area that we had uh concerning regard speeding. Here is 1560 on the red. Here is 500 west. It goes down to Lake uh View Parkway and then here's 1100. It is a collector street. 1560 is a collector street. It does have a lot of traffic and it's only like the increase in traffic because these subdivisions here. Uh we look at crash data for the last three years. On this particular one, there are two crashes. One in 20 or I guess there are three. Evidently I got something wrong there. Can't uh so I think there were three total crashes. One in 2023, two in 2024, no injury property damage only, and then one of the crashes is distracted driving, and one drowsy driving. So that probably um drive weather clear, one during the daylight, one during the dark. Um you

can kind of see the the matter of collision. One was an angle and one was a parked vehicle. So people just um here's where the two crashes occurred. So I guess the two um they're right here on the two red dots. Um I can't remember what west that was. That's 500. That's 680 maybe somewhere around there. Um here's the monitoring location. Um we tend to believe that we have fewer driveways along this section. So, my speeds would be higher if I put it over here. And all that seems to be correct. Um, here's the speed results. We had it out for 50 hours. We did it March 3rd, fourth, and 5th, which is a Tuesday through Thursday. Uh, 25 mph posted speed limit. Uh, eastbound average speed was 33. The power was 39. They expect to be alarmed at 39. Westbound average speed was 32. The 85% power was 37. Again, I don't like those higher speeds. Overall average speed was 32 and a 38 for overall. We had a couple bad apples that year was going to have. This one was someone was doing 61 to 65. We had another one 56 to 60. So, you know, I shared this information with the police department. I have a breakdown of what hours they are doing that type of speed. And so the police have that information judging case. Okay. Volume results. Um so 50 hours again, same time, same same area. Um we this almost never happens. Uh but we had a almost 50/50 directional split here. 50% of the vehicles are going eastbound,

50% of the vehicles going westbound. Total vehicles a day are under a thousand. under a thousand. So there's, you know, there's probably too much capacity right now and that's why people are speeding, right? They don't see any other car at that end. Uh so the summary is there's two crashes reported in three years. Uh our average speed is real high. Um and and again, we're under a thousand vehicles a day. Possible solutions. This is what we're doing. Uh we already uh posted a new 25 mph speed limit signs at the entrances of 1560 at 500 west 1100 west. What I found was we had one we had two in the middle of that corridor but not one on each end. So we put one on each end. We've already provided the information to purple police department and they've already completed uh putting a speed radar trailer out there. So, you've seen it. I believe it was in the eastbound direction because that's where my street was located. Becky, you saw that?

Um, and then um in about 6 months, I'll probably go out there and take a look at it again from a speed perspective. Um, and then there was one stop sign that was missing on the city culac. They may hate me, but I got stop signs everybody else on every other side street. So I added that one there. Um that work order is again but it hasn't been quite implemented yet. Any comments or qu are are we taking comments questions or not? We definitely can. Yeah. It's not open comment that you are. Yes. Okay.

Um that's it for this one. Um any questions, comments on 1560? Let's move to Lakeshore Drive. This one's over by the Purple High School uh all land. It's a crosswalk study. I believe last time Pearl High School came and pretty much beg you guys, will you please have them study this? Right. And so, um we did we did take a look at it. Same information. So, residents concerned about the vehicles not yielding right away to the pedestrians. And quite frankly, it was really dark at this crosswalk. It just very dark at this crosswalk. Um, and so we went out, people looked at it, the lighting wasn't good. Um, we deployed the panas, we took counts for a couple of of um, I had already anticipated this happening, so I did that of August of last year. Okay. Uh, Thursday through Friday, uh, both functional classifications of Lakeshore Drive and Bulldog Lane are both collector strains. Um, here's my criteria for evaluating crossings. So, I just don't make this stuff up. This is state information that we every city and every county in the state of Utah, we're supposed to use this. This is the right direction for consistency sake. We look at the peak hour pedestrian crossings. We look at the gaps during that peak hour, meaning the gaps in traffic that's safe for a pedestrian to cross. We look at see if it's a transit corridor. We look at the adjacent land uses or the high pedestrian land uses like Provo High School is uh distance to near crossing. We look at the distance to the nearest crosswalk. We look at crash history and site distance. So this is all based upon an outcome of points. If it's bar crosswalk would be warranted. If it's 30 points equal to or above. If it's um 20 to 29, we kind of determine that in the

field inspection. And then a marked crosswalk is not warranted if it's less than 20 points that it's worth the analysis. So looking at this, you'll see that our peak hour uh was 47. Um that certainly boosted the uh point system up. Uh peak hour was from 2 to 3 p.m. on Thursday, August 28th. And so, uh, our peak hour gap analysis was 70. Um, there were 70 times during that hour that it was clear to walk. Um, high transit corridor. There's no transit on this particular corridor. Um, the adjacent land uses was high school and residential and the distance to nearest crossing is 400 ft. There are some sight distance issues on this one. uh you're coming around a curve on the south and so I think people are pretty familiar with that. I look at crash data. Um, we've had some crashes there. Uh, two no injury crashes, property damage only, one suspected minor injury, one possible injury. Um, at crosswalks, by the way, I have to look at five years worth of data of of crash data. Okay. Five years. Um, and one of them ended up, no, I think two of them were pedestrian c uh crashes right here. So, that's alarming when we have that. Um, one was a front rear, one was a parked vehicle, and one was sides swipe, same direction. Understanding that there's a lot of new drivers that go to the high school. They don't have the experience that I see in this room. So, um, you can see the roadway surface and the weather conditions and the light conditions. I don't need to repeat that for you. Uh, so here's where all the grasses occurred. I have one here that's close enough to the area that I counted it. Same thing with these other two. And

then that um that's where the two pedestrians were hit in the crosswalk, believe it or not. Uh so uh looking at the criteria, um our peak hour analysis, uh the actual value was 47, which gave it the full 30 points. Uh the gas were 70, so there were plenty of gas, so therefore you only got one one uh point for that. There were no transit. The high school and adjacent land uses I gave the full maximum amount of two points. Uh we got zero points because we were like 1,200 ft away from another crosswalk. Uh two pedestrians. So we got five points there. Um slight distance issue. Yeah, it's going northbound, but I don't get any credit for it. Uh so total was 38 points. So hands down it warranted the crosswalk, right? Everybody knew that. Okay. But but it also went to a point where we could put in some low uh pedestrian uh treatments. And so that's what we've done. Uh it's it's already installed. If you've been out there, uh the one on Bulldog Lane, we've already installed the pedestrian activated rectangular rapid flashing beacons. And I and and it's got lights and it just lights up that crosswalk like you wouldn't believe. Has anybody used it? Oh, darn. I wanted to get back to you tonight. Oh,

he wants to fix all their problems. They didn't come back.

Um, so this was our monitoring location where we picked up some speed and and um and other data, speed and volume data. I I think it's helpful to know. I don't always do that, but in this case, I did because I wanted to see the speed with the site distance problem. And you're going to be surprised by this. Uh, I certainly was a little surprised by this myself. Uh but you take a look at the average speed was 14 miles an hour and the overall 85th percentile was 17. There's a lot happening around this area. Um there's a lot of there's on a curb uh you got a crosswalk there. You got high school. You got lots of activities. Um so people for the most part are pretty good. Uh again here's our bad apples. Okay. So, our volume, we have over 2,200 vehicles a day on Lakes Shore Drive at this location. Um, it's a collector street. Very easy. Can handle that much. That's not a problem. Our directional split is a little bit interesting. 47% go northbound and 53% we're going southbound. So, just I'm a traffic geek, so I find that interesting. Okay. Summary. Um, we've already installed it. Um, so just want to let you know that that uh that one's done. Now for the next one. Uh, this is the 1280 crosswalk. Okay. And so we did the same thing. Let's just speed right up and and go right to it. Is it same hours, same same We had two cameras out there counting pedestrians. Um, this is the crosswalk here. Uh again, Lakeshore Drive is a collector street, but 1280 North uh I believe is just the local street going this way. Uh we've already gone over the the

evaluation that I look at and we had 40 um 3000 peak hour across that crosswalk. Um so that happened on a 11 to 45 11:45 to 12:45 on a Friday. So it was a warmer part of the day. people were in walking. Um, our peak hour gap analysis was even more uh there was 113 gaps in that hour where a pedestrian could safely cross the crosswalk. Uh, high school adjacent land use. The nearest crosswalk is 551 ft away. Uh, I believe this one was to the north at the it might have been at the roundabout or it could be back down in Bulldog. Can't remember. Um, two crashes reported, one no injury, property damage only. Um, and so one of those was a pedestrian, right? I would never ever want to see that. Um, so you can kind of see the roadway condition and the weather. I got the wrong map in there. So, let's go to this one. Um, we got the full 30 points. Our gaps, we only got one point. high school adjacent land uses one pedestrian kid. So, it made 35 points which is great. It's automatic crosswalk. Okay. When I started taking a look at a couple other factors though, um it warrants in my opinion uh rectangular rapid flashing beacons. So, we are going to be installing those as soon as I get my staff um caught up from all the other signs I'm having them put up throughout the city. Uh but we're going to have that. So, that will be push button activated crosswalk there. Not all crosswalks warrant being able to be marked and not all crosswalks will warrant some of these

type of improvements. Uh that is where a monitoring device was. So notice our last one was down here, right? We talked about our last monitoring device on this curb. What do you think's going to happen to the speed?

I was a little surprised. Take a look at this. 15 and 17. It went up, but only by about one mile per hour. Again, there's a lot happening around schools. Most people tend to drive pretty responsible, but some of them do not, right? So anyway, the highest category, this northbound speed, the highest category was in the speed limit. That never happened, right?

Was that southbound one? Was that high 45 mph one? Was that outside of school? Was that like five o' I look at those because I'm interested, but just look at so many of these. It's just jumbled up here. So um so volume uh this was even more disparity in the directional distribution. 43% were going northbound, 50% 57% were going southbound and there's close to 3,100 vehicles at this location. That's almost 800 more than what was at the other location. Uh, so that's just the summary. I haven't installed them yet, but we will install them. Uh, so I just want to let you know that that's if there's any comments or questions, I just kind of report back on these. When you guys as a district man, district leadership approves a a traffic study, I want to make sure that I'm reporting back and giving those. Okay, that's all I have.

Thank you so much. people are using. Thanks so much, Vern. You did. All right, we will go ahead and have our presentation on the Cclick Fix app. Come on up, ladies. You don't have to use the mic unless you feel like I talk loud enough. We do our monthly trainings in here for our team, so pretty loud when we're very loud. Um, it's easier for Zoom people. You're not easy itself. Okay, perfect. Um, I'm Lindsay. I am the Well, Lindsay Rasmmanson. I'm the training and quality coordinator for customer service. And

and I'm Britney Denley. I'm the call center manager for customer service. Yeah. And we were very excited when we got the invite to come and talk to you guys about Cclick Fix because we think it is an amazing tool that we recently got with the upgraded website for about a year now. We've had it. Um, and it has been, I think, a great success. We've gotten a lot of a lot of good feedback on it. So, um, we're going to talk to you really quick. It's how you report non-emergency, uh, cases or reports, any issues that you see in the city, uh,

through Cclick Fix. Um, so potholes, trees, and power lines, uh, anything that you would see around the city. Uh, and we, before we get into the nitty-gritty of it, we have a quick video that we want to show you. Um, and this is kind of it will show you how simple and how easy it actually is to report. It's just a quick two-minute video that we have. We'll see. Fingers crossed. Rachel got us. Looks like a wrench down a power line. Doesn't look very safe. Who would I call?

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That shows us how easy it actually is. And I I mean that's most of it, right? That's half the job of explaining what Cclick Fix is and how it works and what it does. Um, but there's a couple different things that we want to talk to you about with it. But, uh, has anyone used Cclick Fix? Has anyone reported? I love that. Yeah. Did you like it? Good experience. Okay, good. I love to hear that. Better than what we have. Super fast, super easy.

Yes. That's definitely what stands out to me anyway is one of my favorite things of it is on the map. You can actually drop a pin to the exact address because on the phones we would get the call of well there's a pothole on this one one area and that's literally the description that we get like it's by this one house that's blue on the corner of this one and we have to give that instruction to someone like Vern who's trying to do a replace a sign or do a traffic study and having that pin that we can actually drop in there makes all the difference so we can take care of it a little bit faster. There we go.

I'm not used to the clicker either. I might need to get used to it, though. That's uh Yeah, Britney's going to take over here. Uh just talking about the different ways you can actually submit a case.

So, there are a few different ways. You can call in. You can um download the Provo City app and do it all from the app, or you can do it online as well. When you do submit, there are different ways you can submit your request. You can register as a user. That way you do have your contact information. You receive the emails on the progress of the case and everything like that. You can do registered anonymous. It does hide your information, but you'll still get those um progress updates. Um and then we do have anonymous as well if it's something really quick. A lot of times something Lindsay brought up is maybe you're outside, someone from outside of the city sees something and they want to just hurry and report it and not put any information on it. And so you can report anonymous. The only downfall to that is you don't get those um progress emails or updates on it. And then if you really want, just give us a call at 311 and our CSRs will just put that request for you.

And the best thing about this is it doesn't matter how you report it. It's going to go through this exact same process. So you don't have to worry about, oh, if I call 311, it's going to be I mean, we love getting your phone calls, so please call. But that's not like a faster way of getting that done. all of it is directed to the exact same place. It's going to be processed with the same amount of time on those ones. Um, another really cool feature uh is our map. You can see on here uh if you go to this is where you would go to report the issue on our website, report an issue. You scroll all the way down to the bottom and you get this this interactive live map. So on the left hand side it's going to have an entire list of all the cases that are currently submitted with that you're looking at. Um I think they're closed anything closed within 7 days. Uh and it will tell you what's open, what's closed, what's in the process and and then you can click on them and get the details off to the side. And from there you can actually see the details and you can uh look at comments that have been left on it. So, this is great if you're reporting something that has already actually been reported. We're not getting those duplicates. Um, you can even go in and leave a picture or an additional comment. Maybe something has gotten worse within the week that it was reported and they're working on it, but you're, hey, this is a higher priority. It's getting worse here. We need someone to look at it. And whoever it's assigned to, the correct department is going to get a notification with your comment to be able to address that for you. Um, another really cool thing in the same place is if you have an existing like a login account for it, you can mark that cute little heart button up there and it will send you notifications on any updates with that. So, you don't necessarily have to be the person to report it in order to get those updates. You can follow along. I did one as a test when I was setting this up all my

training stuff and I've been getting emails like crazy on it and I love it because you get the updates on everything that's happening with it and it's it's really good. So you don't have to do that duplicate that duplicate one and then just get the answer that comes back of this has already been reported. We're closing this out now. We're we're all going to follow the same one. Okay, Britney is going to talk about what happens next on our side. So this kind of shows yeah what the employees look at. So once we review those they can acknowledge them anytime it goes through a different um step it has they have to the required legal comment. Sometimes we do have a lot of departments that will acknowledge it um and then they'll go in and close the case and put what they've done on there. Um it's sent directly to the right departments. Um and you can always see all those updates as they're made. Um I get all the emails for all the requests and there's a lot of them especially with the parking enforcement. They do a great job. They use this. They live and breathe this. And so they acknowledge them. They'll let you know when they're in progress. And then they let you know when they've closed them and what.

And keep in mind, there's some that are time sensitive that get done really quickly. But then there's other ones like our park strip trees throughout the city. And when someone requests through Cclick Fix to have those planted, they only actually do those plantings in the fall and the spring for the health of the tree. So those ones are going to be open for longer because we need to get to the time that we can actually do that. Same with like our sidewalks. It needs to go on the list to to get taken care of there. So, we have a goal to get those done and taken care of as quickly as possible, and I do a pretty good job of that goal. Uh, but there are some every once in a while that will be in there for longer than others, but they should and will have comments on them saying why they've been open that long.

We've been working with the departments to make sure they are putting those comments on there. Okay, so we have this QR code. Um, this will take you to the website of where to report it. Um, on the back tables, we have some 311 swag. Please take some of them. Some unique stickers and all of that. Uh, we're known for our stickers, so please grab one or two. We also have a little card back there that has the app for uh Androids and iPhones, so you can download the app and report it there. Uh, and of course, if you ever have any questions, please call us, come and see us, call and ask for Lindsay. I'll talk to you. I'm happy to help your bright need. We helping click fix. Let me know.

Why not know what's going on today? We left some time for questions in case we had any questions on see click fix how it works. If are there any of those that we can answer for you guys today? Question I have since I've used it a lot and I like I said it's amazing. There was like a prompt that said like say say thank you to the person or you can say thank you to the person that like fixed it, but when I clicked on it, it didn't work. Yeah. And now it's gone. It was um a feature that the company was taking away and they hadn't removed it yet. Okay. And so they did remove it. Kind of wish they left it though because I think it would be nice to let them know. So let them email me. I'll let them know.

Okay. So before we wrap up, I'm gonna make everyone participate. A show of hands who thinks they're going to be using this in the near future. Yeah. Good. Okay. I'm glad. So if you have questions, you know where to find us. 311. Um and we're always happy to help. So thank you so much for having us. Thank you. Thank you.

All right. Well, we'll move on. We've got a presentation for a zone change by the developer, I believe. Go ahead. And this project is still in the review phase. So, what we see tonight may be different than what's presented to the planning commission and the city council. We are all stuck and sore, but it's nice to be here with you. You don't have to use the microphone unless Yeah. Can everyone hear him? All right.

Hear me? Okay. My name's Jay Henry. My son Gary West partner in I live about a mile from the project the hill in the grand area south start. Okay. This a this is a property that we own here. If you notice this, well, that's 2000 North Provo, 2000 South Om. If you driven by here recently, they're developing a bunch of homes there about them a little bit more. And then we've got a couple of owners here. So, located right here This is taken out of the Provo City general plan. It's 2007. We were when we started. I've owned the property for a while, several years. We were told that this is what the city wants. This product and this was built before. This is several years old. There's some apartments here if you know. Then this is being built now. Then uh personally Lyn Dayton neighbor of mine I'm building for a number of years owns this one. And then Gary Eaton owns this six acre parcel. His about 12 over five. It's 12 over six. Mine's about 10 10.8. So it's about 11 acres. We probably we had a better plan than

what the city was proposing in the general plan. So we about three and a half years ago we developed a a twin homes development at a neighborhood park in the pickle ball and we thought that was pretty good and that the city would like that. So we went to the planning commission they they didn't city council so we turned down. So, we've uh been waiting for the last three and a half years for the city to get the utilities in uh Ivory is developing over here. They've been bringing some utilities in right now. Public works has told us that we're good to go. So, we submitted an application about two months ago. I'll show you what that is. It's basically the exact same thing. There's most of this as we could figure out how to do if you count the lots here is about 34. Ours we're proposing now it started at 35 down about 32 lots. So it's it's almost identical to that. We got four more slides then we'll have some questions. Okay. So, we're proposing a reszone from R120 to the PD uh SDP4. That's the same zone that all of this is and that the city is, at least my understanding, is proposed that we develop in. So, that's what we're proposing to go into that zone so we can do what the neighborhood used to be zone. Now when I was working before with Lyn Dayton on this five acres we before he's had some change in ownership a little bit. I

think he's going to come in here fairly soon with a similar type. So this is what we're proposing. 32 lots. They're big lots. This is fairly wide. It's probably deeper than we probably need for lots. Some of these lots are about 150 ft deep. These on the south are 120 ft deep. They're all about 85 84 ft wide. So, they're real nice sized lots. These are a little smaller over here. That's that's what we're proposing. And this is uh

Did you say those are twin homes? No, I'm sorry. These are single family homes.

Sorry. Yeah, thank you. We went back to what the city is proposing. Single family. So, all all of these are single family. This didn't come through real well, but this just kind of shows the other neighbors what could be the lots. We have to submit this to the city to show that we're not hampering future development of other similar close properties. So we're taking our road down to Ben May's home. I don't know if any of you know and we you know we've lived in the area for about 40 years. I know most people in south south warm at least but then they come out with this place he owns this 3 acres understanding he's not planning to subdivide road in case he does decide he want to subdivide one coming down here now this the old church property they've torn a church down now but we'll have a road that goes goes down in case they want to develop. Does the church still own that property? They do. Yeah. Now, along the side, there's some private lots on there. Then we've got two roads going north to go up into the Gary Heaton. I've been trying to get a hold of her the last two years to see if we could develop together if we could purchase her property. We're kind of in negotiation now. I don't know. Still a kind of a gap between they want to sell it for what I'm willing to pay. But if we do, then we'll be coming in with a similar type development again back to the same was

proposed by Prol City back in 2007, almost 20 years ago now. single family lots in here and I I expect that uh then Dayton or whoever is the new owner of that will be coming in with a similar type just uh one last slide now just for comparison purposes we have the let me just go back these these lots oh these lots here. This is the latest phase of that development. So I compared the size of those lots the size of our lots here just for comparison purposes. They're almost identical. Ours are just a little bit larger than than that one on average. So, we feel like we're doing what the city wants us to do, what they've asked us to do. So, we're hoping to move forward.

When are you coming? When are you going to planning commission, you know, as soon as we can. We're waiting. That's a good question. We submitted the applications back in late February, February 22nd, I believe, and the city responded back. We had two applications, one for their reszone, the other for their preliminary plat. That preliminary plat had 35 lots instead of 32. They came back and we needed it a little bit different, increase the lot size. So, so did that. And then they had a bunch of other requirements. We need a geotech study that's been in progress. They should get that fairly soon. We got a list of things to do unfet for the city again and have everything ready on their to-do list so they can move forward. Planner you're working with is he supportive of this project? Uh yeah, I'll let him speak for himself, but we'll get it get it started. I think most

are there any questions? We're hoping that uh we can get it through the city cing commission city council within the next month or two start design. We've got our engineer Roger Dudley Dudley and Associates the engineer and they're doing the utilities now design on that and we'll go outs for the utilities and kind of move it along hopefully this year and maybe start homes like this.

A couple questions. Um, you might not know this, but I'm sure someone in this room will know this. What is the zone change? What What is the STD? I looked that one up. Okay. It looked like it is a special zone created specifically for this area. So, it goes from like 1600 north up to 2,000 north. Is this that other development? And I wish we had one of the city people here to tell us maybe what the difference is between R120 and 4, but it looked like they had a few stricter requirements like the lot size had to be a minimum of 8,500 square feet, which is probably why you had to like adjust some of those lots. So, I think it's meant to be more for like

almost forcing it to be like a certain lot size of single family homes at least from what I can tell. Cool. And then are you guys planning to actually develop the subdivision like build the homes or are you going to sell them to people to just build their own? Good question. I have a son, James, a different son. He's a contractor, general contractor. He's built well two or three projects that I've done. develop some uh just so yeah he's planning to build it.

Okay. the architect right now have five to seven general house plans and three different exterior options so we can have a development that's similar and it's kind of like what Keystone is doing we expect to build it build it out thank you will you have an HOA will it be an HOA situation then the only reason we would have an HOA is that we'd have to have a detention base, but we we don't plan on having an HOA. So,

do you know um do you have I know it's kind of early like a a home price that you're looking at or like a range that you're looking at or or a size of home like threebedroom, two bath or

That's another good question. where we told the architect to go between maybe 2500 and 3,000 square foot. So that's size and I think that's similar to what Keystone we probably not be able to do basics doesn't have basement people ide so we'd have to bring the road up and the material enough to that might be work my 80 to 90% we won't price wise I don't know 700,000 we we were we started as twin home we thought we could get the affordability down but the developer yesterday said affordability it's attainability is may not be affordable for first time home buyers.

Questions?

Thank you so much for coming. And and just a reminder really quick that when this does go before the planning commission, the city council, there will be um a time for people to to speak on it. Two minutes on that. And you can always email them if you can't attend the hearings. And the hearings haven't been scheduled yet, but uh check the West District um web page for when those are scheduled. Or if you live really close by, you'll receive a postcard. There's also going to be a big white sign posted at the property with the hearing information once that's scheduled.

You can also contact your neighborhood represent because they should be presenting at the planning commission as well. Come on up, Terry. Got an update on school board. Yes, you can ask me any questions at the end. Um, I'm going to speed through. This is a presentation we've been giving to at all the community meetings, but I'm just gonna zoom through. Um, are you clicking for me? Um, you can click. Oh, can I? Okay. There should be a clicker there. Let's see if I'm doing it right. Nope. It's the one that's all rubbed off. Yeah,

we're skipping. Okay. So this is the how we started when we did the original boundary feasibility study. But I'm going to brag about this because when I was elected I started convincing everybody to we need to do a boundary study and eventually

we're finally on that. Um our declining enrollment it's going it's it's going down. birth rate is the number one problem. Um so Octo so the state legislature um gives us funding based on our October 1st enrollment which was 1310 and now it is this was the end of March 12,870 so in one year it's rounded. Okay. Biggest problem uh providing the best educational opportunities for all our students. Um oh yes and smaller schools um can't do it as much as uh like mediumsiz schools. Um our dual language immersion program is very expensive. um education. Uh Provo elementary schools are very lucky because they have a whole bunch of cool things like a music teacher, a full-time music teacher in your school and we have a whole bunch of like we have a PE teacher and an art teacher and a a whole bunch of specialties that OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS NORMAL. I GREW UP IN PROVO. I I THOUGHT EVERYBODY had this, but apparently other school districts don't provide these specialties, but we and um we just switched the gifted and talented program, which I'll talk about. Um we do still want to provide um good salaries. This is starting salaries in the school district. Um, so first year teachers get $60,000 and that's compared to Nebo and Alpine, which is still

lower. Hopefully when Alpine slits, I'll freeze there and then we can catch up. Okay, there's no guarantee. Um, on this is tax stuff and if you come to the community meetings, I'll let Devon explain all this. She's our business administrator. She'll explain all this. Okay. Um, and since February, we made all these cuts which amounted to over $2 million, which one OF THEM WAS NOT POPULAR. Camp Big Springs. Everybody loves Camp Big Springs. Um but because of that we were able to coordinate with the um rec center and so there's going to be hosting special day camps for that instead of us doing camp. Okay. And and IT'S ON THE REC CENTER'S WEBSITE NOW AND and parents can sign up. Um Okay. So we did an MBA municipal something authority building authority. That's right. To um do 10 use phase two and $5 million of that is to start um the Dixon to like do the demolition and start what we're going to do at Dixon the Dixon PROPERTY WHICH I'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. UM, OH, truth taxation. You guys, if you have paid attention, last year was a disaster. THE COUNTY AUDITOR MAKING MISTAKES and then and since then, um, the state legislature has passed even more laws about truth and taxation and so we will be sending out more notifications that we are going to be doing truth and taxation. Expect that. You want to tell them what

truth in taxation? Some may not understand that. Yeah. We have to hold a public hearing so that AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER NEW rules that the state has is making us do. But we have to hold a public hearing so that you guys know how much money we're increasing your property taxes. Does that make sense? Okay. I don't know what the numbers are going to be. We have to wait to the county auditor to get that information. Hopefully, it's accurate. Okay. Why were the numbers so different for South last year?

Just these numbers you have listed. Why are these numbers? Don't ask me that. That's a Devon question. You can ask that in the com community. She can answer that. I don't know. Can you clarify, Terry, though? So, the school board is considering raising property taxes because we couldn't do it last year. No. Okay.

Um Okay. So, what more can we do? Um so, WE CUT OUT OVER $2 MILLION IN THE BUDGET. SO, we're trying to do more. One idea is we can change the boundaries, which is always I don't know if you guys seen the map of the current elementary schools. There's some funky boundaries that need to be fixed. Um, oh yeah, they talk about school choice and oh, even if we change boundaries, Utah has school choice, which means it doesn't matter where you live, you can request to have your kid go to another school. So even if we change boundaries, some people will still want to go to another. Okay. So, I got asked this question today. Is that 90% total capacity? Is that a board policy or is that a supervisor? That's what I thought. Okay. And 90% also it's a school and the grade level too. So, the school might not be at 90% but a grade level will. So, I don't kids are in uh Sensia. There's a grade that has over 90 kids in it at Sensivia. That's 90%. So if you try to choice into that grade, that's not going to happen.

How do you gauge the 90% though? Is it like 30 per classroom or what is the Yeah, that's a Devon question.

OKAY. UM WE COULD ALSO REDUCE PERSONNEL which means decrease uh the number of assistant principles, um instructional coaches, social workers. I I will not be doing that. I will defend. Um and then music teachers since we have one teacher in every school. Um uh change the DLI program that is it's expensive. So we $1.25 million for every or the school district provides for those different schools. What does DLI stand for? Oh, sorry. Dual language immersion.

SO PROVO HAS FOUR LANGUAGES. SPANISH, PORTUGUESE, CHINESE, and French. And school districts our size normally only have Spanish. So we have a lot of languages. How many schools are those taught at? Five. Five. Yeah. And Kenny Crest have Spanish, Edgemont has French, Wasach has Chinese, and Lake View has Portuguese. They're the highest in the state.

What the number? No, because uh like Granite is a huge school district, so they have a lot more DOI programs. Does that make sense? So, we could be making a decision. WE HAVE BEEN STUDYING THIS particular issue for over a year now, and every time it comes on the agenda, all we have more questions. So, we are not close to making a decision. Um other things, we do have empty properties. Um, if you didn't know, there's a property that's just north of Purple High School that's just sitting there. Nothing's happening. We could sell that. Um, and other cost reducing things we can do. And this is for next year's uh fiscal year, not right now. And that's why we're doing the community meets to get your opinions. Um, another thing is closing schools. And here are some of the possible factors we could use to see which one should be closed. You know, is it close to another school? For example, Canyon Crest is right next to Edgeon. Spring Creek is right next to Provos. Um programs. Um and then oh, the building conditions and is it safe for those kids to walk to school? And there could be other you guys might bring up something pretty interesting that might be and then so our last meeting is next week May 14th at a million air 6 p.m. We are encouraging everybody to come and please please come and uh give us your opinions and ideas. We like that. And here's the email address. Please email the board with your awesome ideas because we like

that. Just don't say, "Please don't close our school." That's not very helpful. Give us awesome ideas. Yeah. What is the plan with the uh prop the property in the ivory project right by the uh there's a sewer lift station. There's a piece of property in the ivory subdivision. It's identified for a future elementary school. The one that you talked about that's just Yeah. Um I do not know Ivory was close by. Sorry. I just know it as the property that's north of Preval High School. So has the school district purchased it or Okay. You purchased it? Oh, years ago.

Okay. Are you anywhere on the planning stage? Is it five years out on building a school there? No, that's never happening. That you're never going to build a school there? No. It's going to be a vacant field. No, that was one of the ideas back here. Um Oh, selling the land so we can fund things. Yeah.

Yes. So, can you explain this is like really interesting and you're right, there's lots of question. I'M SORRY. I'M LIKE FOR SURE GOING TO GO TO the meeting, but can you just give me the um So, so you cut $2 million and we knew that that was like a big deal and there was lots of So that's cool, but you still need to cut more or raise more money and so is the question close schools, close DLI or raise property taxes or is it raise property taxes and also figure out what else to do to cut costs? Both. All of it like that's the situation because of the declining enrollment.

All of the map is open to we have not made any decisions. So we're still studying. But do you have a number you have to get to like enrollment or like a budget number like a budget number you know like do you have to figure out question? Okay. Do you go in the presentation Julie where they say that in so many years they're going to be a million dollars down. I see. because they won't be getting that revenue from the state. So, it's like establishing a better runway. Well, they won't be getting that money from the state because the enrollment's going down. Right. Right. Right.

So, she has it projected out and she'll explain that more. But what Terry's saying as far as like raising taxes, they did hold truth in taxation last year and they the legislature changed the rules and so they got stuck without that money and they paid raises to the teachers because they're trying to get them on. So they had to figure that out and figuring that out they had to cut costs. Thanks. Yeah. Great. So if you if you sell the property in Ivory and won't build a a future elementary school there, are you required but to sell that property back to Ivory or would Yeah, it was actually given. Yeah,

it was given the the land like Po Highland and that land. It been in school district for a long time. It was donated. Yeah. Yeah. I I don't know. You may not know the answer to this, but I'm curious. The meetings that I've been to, one thing that I've has been interesting to see is that the Utah Fitsall scholarship gives about $8,000 per kid to those kids, whereas our spending is closer to like $4,000 per kid. So, do you know why there is that discrepancy? and if that discrepancy is affecting um the school district.

Yeah. Um but they did pass a new bill that says if you're going to a private school, you get the $8,000. If you are homeschooling, you don't get,000. And if you're in elementary school, you get even less than that. So, and I'm not sure the exact numbers. You have to check the bill. Um but that was changed how much is given. Um, unfortunately the only way we know if a kid has left is if they were already coming to one of our schools and they say that they left for campus. Otherwise fits all the company that runs the program they refuse to give us numbers of how many students and they should be. Yeah. Any other questions? Yes. Come with your ideas. Please come to the meeting. Yes, we want

When is the meeting again?

Um, May 14th, 6 PM at Ameilia. There we go. May 14th, 6 p.m. at Ameilia Heart Elementary School. Yeah. And that's our last community meeting, but you can still always come public comment time during our business meeting. Um, our next the school board meeting is May 12th and then the one after that is the Tuesday, the day after Memorial Day, which is about the 26, I think. Um, yeah, you can always come and speak during public comment time.

Any other questions? Is really good at getting out the information about meetings and things. So, if you follow um your neighborhood page or um our even the district page, I think we usually get that information out. So, of when the board meetings are and also when these meetings are. So, that's helpful. It's a lot of information. Yeah. And if you don't want to come, you can always watch them on YouTube if you want to sit in your pajamas on your couch or lazy boy. You chose to play north or just let me stop. I don't do Lake View. That's not

Oh, Lake View or Lake South. So, you are Fort Utah. You're pinned on. So, you'd have to um probably Bay Sunset Lake like Lakewood. Yeah. So, those four and she has really or your page, right? You put your page, too. So, what is it? Terry Provo School Board. Terry McCabe. I just changed the name. Uh or PCSD district 5 groups and it's there. You'll find it. It's not that hard.

Yeah. Any other questions? Yeah. So, um, Provo High seems to be very like very, you know, over capacity is what I've heard. And I just wonder um if other if that's a cons if this low enrollment is a problem just at the elementary level for now elementary school the kids grow up and they grow up and then eventually it'll leave the high schools but it's important to note that they told us in our joint meeting that not any of the schools with 90% capacity they're still open for kids to transfer birthday. None of the elementary school,

none of the schools, none of middle school. No, there's space in all of them in total. There might be grades that you can't transfer into, but you could get into school. Are they factoring in the projected growth over the next 10 to 20 years of There's no growth. There's no growth with all the development everywhere. Like you got to be realistic. All those houses around Spring Creek, the enrollment hasn't gone up

with all that development. So the they told this that those ivory homes that he was talking about that's over by your house. It's just high school.

They're not getting any elementary school kids in there. people are moving in those homes and they're getting maybe the seventh, eighth, ninth graders, maybe some from the high schools. I know some that have moved specifically to be closer to the high school in those areas. And you know, the ones that I've known, their kids are grown now when they're out of the high school. So, that is what they're looking at. And then the west side will eventually grow, but it's nothing tomorrow who still have sewer issues and different things we're dealing with, but there are different things that will be going on. But they're, like they said, they're seeing they're not seeing elementary school kids going into these developments. They're seeing

Yeah. I mean, these houses are what, $500,000. Do you know someone who just graduated from college and is a newlywed who can afford that kind of a house? Um, according to the developers of Bulldog Lane, there's plenty of first responders that are going to qualify for that uh property being subsidized. That's a different That's a different property. Our our four lowest enrolled schools are Spring Creek, Candy Crest, Franklin, and Ameilia. The people who are moving into there are going to Lakeview.

Any other questions?

Appreciate it. Right. Um, we have a few minutes for if there are people here who would like to bring up some concerns, suggestions, or ideas, I would just remind you to please be respectful. And also, if your um concern is super lengthy, we are we're probably not going to let you talk for like more than three to five minutes, but there is a suggestion box back there um or comment box where you can write something down and the city will get it and we'll direct you to the place that you need to go as far as like talking to the right city representative. And um there are lots of people here also that we can help direct you to the place that will help you with your issues. So, we we certainly welcome everyone being able to talk. We just don't want it to go really really So, go ahead.

So, um you're welcome to come up wherever you want to do. Yeah. Whatever you're most comfortable project very well, so I'll just microphone. Thank you. Thank you.

Yeah. So, my husband and I live um um at 820 North and behind us is a wetlands area and we have a direct view of Lakeshore Parkway and we're noticing that what we thought was a sewer system that was going to be put in looks to us like wetlands mitigation. um because they're they're basically, it seems to us, cutting off with concrete barriers the water flow into the marsh behind our house. And we're very concerned about that. It seems as if they're trying to dry up the wetlands that, you know, is so important for the wildlife behind us, the birds, everything. So, um, we're wondering if that are they doing whoever gave them permission to do that. We heard that there was sewer systems being put in, but it seems that they're doing a lot more. And so, we we just want to know how that how that is happening when the area behind us was reszoned and sold to the pro or acquired by city of Provo um as open space recreation. And so if it's open space recreation, shouldn't it stay um intact? And so um yeah.

Do you know who is is it the city that is that is putting in or are you not sure who? We have no idea. It looks like the there's there's names on the on the equipment that say something like safe trench or something like that. What exactly are you talking? So, so you know 620 north and then Lake View Parkway and that at that corner um been like working on on the west side of Lake Park. Yeah. By the wetland. Exactly. Yes. Just sticking over there. I don't know what they're doing, but yeah.

Well, this it alarmed me to because we thought it was just a sewer system, but it it seems that they're they're putting how many feet of concrete? 20 feet of concrete. So, they're basically starving the wetlands um of water. It see what it looks like they're trying to do. Um so, I have no idea. We do have some council members here. I don't know if they're aware of anything that is going on there. Follow up. Our office can follow up too as the 311 number. Yeah. But also, I'm in the council office. I work for the council. So we can also follow up and try and figure something out and send it back to the neighborhood.

Yeah. Do you And we can even get we can get your information so that you can we can connect you with the people at the city that will if you want I'll take down your information back here. Thank you for bringing that up. Check. I do if it's a city project. I do put it on this is the west district web page and on nearby public works projects. It looks like there is it does say the sewer lane is the name of the project that I Okay. sewer line right there. Yeah. So doing more than sewers. Okay. Yeah. So, I'm wondering if if one of these projects is it and

are if you're concerned about the wetlands, let's get your information so that we can fast. Yeah. Where you know that things are going in relation to with whatever is going on. Do you know anything, Becky? Off the top of your head, Lake Shore Drive, I do know that they will be putting the um they'll be putting the sewer line in. It's on that west side where they're working.

Yeah. All the way up to the lift station. And I do know that I've gotten some concerns about construction going on, but I thought it was Lakeshore and Burns said they were putting in sewer lines and that was more towards 620 and Lakeshore thought, but I can't get the I I can't ever make sense of that map. 620 more. It's a bulldog sewer line. I heard their installation of the new sewer line along the Lake View Parkway from 620 to Bulldog Lane connecting the northwest lift station which is the one that he was talking about. Construction has begun and expected to finish in October. Lane and intersection closures may impact traffic.

Figure it out. Figure it out. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Do you want to use the mic or you just

age northwest and uh on nine months ago we received the mail this map of Fortunately, I don't have it up here. will receive the map of a project called the Essence Minnow which is uh going uh along uh it will be east of Glacial Parkway bordering the Delta River Provo uh park, the new Delta River Provo Park, which I believe uh was a federally funded uh state cooperation um um open land use for public recreation. Um so when we receive this, we live um directly behind it and we can we can observe what's going on there. So when we received this along with um a petition that so I I was here to sign the petition. I calls um uh I I called the uh Garland Group and I was given George Builds uh who is actually the representative for Garland Group working with city provo on the SS minimum. the access that was running between the new bulldog lane project um which is on the northern border and the southern border goes all the way to the other side of 620 north and borders the provo river. So I knew there's um 144 acres of the SS

minnow. When I asked George about the access, he said that's just clever name that we came up with um some kind of reference to Gillians Island or something. I'm not sure. Um so I also called this Anthony um whose name is on this map uh his name is Anthony Gantel and he's the Utah family surveyor. and uh he told me that uh city of ROA had already planned to put in the sewer line for the Bulldog lane project as well as the future development land for the SS Minnow which has since been annexed by the city of Provo. So now that land is officially owned by the city of Provo and I believe it was supposed to be zoned um open space osprey open space recreation. Um, and when I I called George about our concern about this sewer line being put in along Lakeshore Parkway directly bordering the uh the Provo River Delta Parkway, which is, I believe, a state park, uh, federally funded and backed. Um, and George Bills actually said to me, and I'll quote him, he said, "Nobody cares about how the soil is or where the wetlands are." Um, and I kind of pushed back on that. He said, "Well, uh, at least for now, until the land is annexed by the city, and then it should be a concern for

citizens, but until then, it's just a matter between the county and the city." Um, I called about Katrice Mccay after I spoke with George Mills because that statement about nobody cares about the wetland concerned me because um, we care about the wetlands and we think a lot of other people do. And the reason saying that's that is a true statement. For now, it's really not an issue until the city annexes the property and then that's when we address whether or not that wetlands needs to be uh will how it will be zoned for development. So, as uh my wife Janice mentioned, uh as you can see on our back porch that um they're doing they're not just lame. It is a fact that they are doing wetland mitigation. I'm taking video. Um, a trench that goes down 25 ft or so along portions of Lakeshore Parkway on the west side, Lakeshore Parkway, uh, which is on the border between Pro City and the Delta River Park. So they've uh what they've done is so as as I filmed when they first done that big trench 2530 ft down there was water running underneath it an underground stream that feeds the wetlands in the SS minnow that water is running from the provo river delta into the wetlands. There's the Spain ranch which has a pond and those wetlands support wildlife, water foul um and um generally is I

believe still designated wetlands um under the um state department of natural resources. So our you know our concern is that um this this project was I'm not so I'm not familiar with the peritting process complete but I want to know well we're curious and we're not the only we some neighbors which permit did your city get and we we're verified they can full disclosure. Okay. So, there's um a 401 permit um for water quality certification. That's state issued certification. Section 401 clean water act. And then uh there's a US Army Corps of Engineers under section 404 um talking about discharge strands of fill material into uh waters including wetlands and a 401 pre requisite for obtaining a 404 permit. So we're we're huge and we we haven't seen anything on uh website anything public about mitigation of wetland mitigation going on before development by the gardener group of the SS minnow.

Yes. So that is all done with the Army Corps of Engineers. That's not provided. That is the US government. So if you want to figure out what's going on with there, you're going to have to figure out who in the Army Corps of Engineers. That has nothing to do with So if any permits I think it would be with if they are doing wetlands mitigation that is through the Army Corps of Engineers we have to get through the Army Corps of Engineers. Wetlands mitigation. Anything to do with wetlands is the Army Corp of Engineers. So wouldn't the city of Provo have to go through the Army Corps of Engineers to get that 404 permit?

So you're saying that the Provo City owns SS Minnow? I'm not aware of Provo City purchasing SS Minnow. If it's annexed into the city, that just means that it's like your house. I don't own your house, but you're in Provo City. Correct. So So you're right. I'm sorry. Bulldog Lane was post city property that was sold to Milson Homes for development for I I guess half of that is supposed to go to first responders. Um I believe those homes are starting at $500,000 a piece. Um

well in writing that's pretty much where they're starting or averaging. Um and as far as in Estus Minnow which is in between Gold Lane and uh that's what that's what the guard so I I would assume it's gardener group that has purchased the assessment in that county records and see and you can figure out who that owner is but the owner is not right here

but the SS minnow annexation is not owned by that says middle annexation is owned by someone else wanted to come into the city. That's what an annexation is. So you're no longer paying count well everybody pays county taxes. Now you're considered a Provo city resident. So now you'd have to pay um Provo City School District taxes and things like that instead of Alpine School District taxes because county we don't get those anyway. It's a whole big thing. But whoever that is, if they are doing wetlands mitigation, that is with the Army Corp of Engineers. So the contractor is working for the US government to put in.

They have to get permission to do that. You're going to have to look up Army Corp of Engineers and wetlands mitigation.

That is all done through the US government. Even when Provo City mitigates land, even when these guys had a little bit of mitigation of wet wetlands for shoreline, all has to be done through the Army Corp of Engineers. They're the ones that will tell you if you can mitigate, what you have to mitigate, what you have to replace it with. All of that is done through the US government. When the city built though like Darkway, we had to do mitigation as well with the Army, but that's not determined by Provo City. That's determined through the federal government. Okay. And so so what we're also confused about is in in 2005 uh when Governor Le was uh at the animal of the state government, he um approved an object uh where the disdain disdain ranch owns a large portion of that land that CS and that was put into a trust uh purchase for 1.5 5 million dollars or so by the state of Utah and that trump the trust and the right to that land and that that's in writing that we have a letter uh written by Governor Levy about that. It was published in the papers. I know 2005 was a long time ago but we're you know we're tenant concerned about this wetland mitigation that's going on. We don't believe that there's full transparence. We're only observing it because we ride our bicycles by now. You know, the first cur is upstream feeding from the delta into the wetlands. Now, we've seen that. We've seen probably I can't estimate I mean it's got to be you know hundreds of tons of cement being poured into these 25 foot trenches that are going

along the the Delta uh I mean sorry Lake Shore Parkway where this sewer line and according to Anthony Gatau that was just a sewer line when we called him and asked him about this project. He said nothing about wetland mitigation. I asked him about the wetlands and he said that's protected and that will be osprey and there will be a long process to get that approval or convert to convert it for development because it is wetlands. And here we see that this construction company has moved forward and is already mitigating cutting off the water supply. All I can tell you is if it's a wetland, if it's not a wetland, that's all determined by the US government.

Not Provo City, right? Provo City has had the Lake View Parkway and the easement and the expansion because from what I understand, the sewer line's going into the expansion piece, right? It's not going through the current road, but that road once form hits it all the way to Geneva Road is going to be the primary artery. is no longer going to be Geneva Road. That road is scheduled to be a fivelane highway all the way down it. So that expansion piece is stuff that's already been mitigated, already been whatever whatever Pro City's had to do that was done years and years and years ago. So pouring cement in that portion doesn't bother me because that's already been mitigated. Whatever happened happened years ago. Whatever is done on so and so's mental property that's between so and so and the US government on whether that is

wetlands and what has to be done to mitigate it if it can even be mitigated. Yeah. Yeah. I need to wrap it up. Sorry, we just have a few more minutes but thank you. But we not that you can't continue to have this conversation but um we appreciate you sharing. So yeah, sounds like the Army Corps of Engineers is going to be your best option but you're welcome to continue to have to figure out, you know, where you guys need to go to talk about. Is there somebody in the city that can help us generally find information? It sounds like Yeah. So, they're going to talk to Becky. It sounds like they need to city. Yeah, we got city council people here. Sounds like it's not a Provo city issue. Uh they'll have to A lot of times it isn't. People think city runs a lot of stuff.

Supposed to be the sewer. We're not sure exactly. Yeah. If it's anything beyond the sewer, then the it sounds like you might need to deal with the with the army of engineers, but you'll have to you can chat with Becky about that. Going to the county surveyor. He said that land was already surveyed and even before the annex they had already planned this this sewer line which is I we look at it is very disruptive to this this sensitive wetlands area. I mean right there next to the that Provo River Delta Park, you know, which just, you know, thousands of people.

Yeah, I think we all definitely agree with you. We just want to make sure we get you to the right people that can actually answer your questions and tell you what they are are doing. And that just may not be proicity is all I'm saying. But we definitely don't want to shut you down. It's just a matter of making sure that we're talking to the right people who are actually doing the work.

Digging into it and I just I don't see any transparency other than okay, there's supposed to be a sewer line which typically it lays you know where the sealer line is going along Geneva Road, it's 10 10 feet down. And here they're literally digging 20 25 feet down

where there's underground stream and they're filling that with cement. They're building a 25 foot wall, you know, in sections that are, you know, probably 50 yards long. And I believe the the purpose can only really be to stop the water flowing from the delta into that SSO which is on the east side of Retro Parkway which is designated for development by the gardener group. That's that land is now owned I believe by the government and uh I'm not sure how it was acquired whether it was forbid

or how they got a hold of that but you know when the George bills you know who just said I asked him what's your role and he said I'm you know I'm just a good guy yeah I I administrated this for the Garnet Group uh but there's nothing in it for me. I'm just doing it as, you know, a favor for the garden. Um, which I found kind of I I really don't know really if you're going out for that.

You're missing out on Becky's answer though. Do you want to go check with Becky because it sounds like I will. I'm sorry. Thank you. No, you're totally fine. I just don't want you to miss out on what Becky's telling your wife so you get that information as well. So, members of my neighborhood. I'm in Lake Sorry, Lake View North. And I know we talked about the high school traffic, two of the corners of the high school, but down along the west side of the high school, right by the tennis courts and kind of the other side of the stadium.

Yeah. Okay. There's there are no parking signs on the east side of Lake View Parkway, but there don't appear to be on the west side of that road. And a few of us, myself included, have had near misses with high school students who cuz they park all down the dirt west side of that road and then they either cross the street without checking or somebody pulled out in front of me without checking.

You saying that your your neighborhood with like no parking signs along both sides of Lake View Parkway? I think that would be best. We don't we don't know the best situation because the big parking lot for the school, it feels close, but we do recognize why the high school students would want to park. I like took my school.

My son to like a track meet at Provo High and like tons of people are parking along there, right? Because that's the closest spot to the the tennis court close, right? So, my own personal opinion and and we've got to establish I'm a legislator, right? Legislative branch. This is my purview here that what you're talking about is the mayor and the city and the city services, right? That's administrative part. So, you need to call and talk to Sandy Busio and have a conversation with what's going on. But my personal opinion is that road as soon as ORM gets their section through will be a five lane highway and the road's going to curve so that the traffic you have to take an intentional left to get on Geneva Road, right? Gene Road is going to curve like new parkway all the way to the freeway. Okay. So, I would personally rather see no parking to get people before it because if people are going to start plowing through there when it's connected all the way through. So, if that's a concern with Sandy Vio, let her know what your concern is and see what she is willing or not willing to do. She lives over in that neighborhood, too.

Not far. Oh, perfect. Thank you. You have Sy's card. Of course I do. All right, we have everything until I sold her out. Thank you. Awesome. We have one more minute, I think. Did Did you have any comment or just thanks for coming here for the ride? Listening. Perfect. Okay. Thank you so much for sharing your concerns. Uh we will, like I said, do our best to get the information to you that we help that will help you get where you guys need to go. Um, thanks for coming and we'll go ahead and adjourn our meeting.