Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening. I'd like to call the November 10th, 2025 planning and zoning meeting to order, please. Commissioner Graci, will you lead us in the pledge? To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you.

Good evening. My name is Sandy Griffith and I'm the chairperson of the planning and zoning commission. I will be presiding over the commission's deliberations on hearing items this evening. The planning and zoning commission sits in an advisory capacity to the town council. As such, the commission reviews planning and zoning issues and forwards recommendations regarding these important issues to the council. All members are appointed by the council and we volunteer our time. This evening's proceedings will be conducted as follows. First, I will read the public hearing item into record. Staff will then present the agenda item. The commission will question staff. The applicant will be invited to address the commission and answer any questions from the commission. The floor will then be open to comments from the public regarding the applicable hearing item. After all pre-registered commenters have spoken, I will call for any additional speakers who wish to make comment to come to the podium. After public comment has been closed, the item will then return to the applicant for clarification or comment, then to the commission for comments. This is a discussion item only this evening. There will be no vote or recommendation for moving this forward to town council. Item three, agenda item three, roll call. Clerk, will you please call the role?

Chairperson Griffith here. Vice Chair Herb here. Commissioner Colossimo here. Commissioner Huat here. Commissioner King here. Commissioner Graci here. We have a quorum.

Thank you, clerk. Agenda item four, call to the public. If you wish to speak during the call to the public or on the public hearing items this evening on tonight's agenda, please make sure that you have pre-registered your name with the clerk. When you are recognized by the clerk, please come to the microphone. State your name and address. I ask that you direct your pertinent comments to the commission through the chairperson and not to staff or individuals within the audience. After all pre-registered speaker comments, I will then call for additional non-registered speakers wishing to speak to the podium. A threeminut time limit will be imposed. I would like to express tonight in advance of the commission's appreciation for fostering an atmosphere of respect and cordiality this evening. That's extremely important. At this time, any member of the public is allowed to address the planning and zoning commission on any issue within the jurisdiction of the commission or any item on the agenda except for those items scheduled for a public hearing at this meeting as you will have the opportunity to then speak during the public hearing. Pursuant to the Arizona Open Meeting Law, at the conclusion of call to the public, individual members of the commission may respond to criticism made by those who have addressed the commission and may ask staff to review the matter or may ask that the matter be placed on a future

agenda. However, members of the commission shall not discuss or take legal action on matters raised during an open call to the public unless matters are properly noticed for discussion and legal action. Clerk, do we have any call to the public? Madame Chair, if I may. Yes, Commissioner Colossimo. [clears throat] I need to address the commission as well as the audience. Absolutely, sir.

Your planning and zoning commissioners, town of Prescuit Valley, and people of Prescat Valley. There is a political group in Prescuit Valley that has informed the town manager that they believe I have a conflict of interest in regards to agenda item GPA2-00001, the government tank bureau pit because of the location of my home in Stone Ridge. I want to be clear that I disagree with their perceived conflict of interest as I see it as an intimidation tactic, including their threats of litigation upon me personally to keep me out of the vote on this issue. That said, I am brand new to this commission and I do not wish to bring any perception of impropriy towards my fellow commissioners or the town of Prescat Valley. I also want the citizens of Prescott Valley to know that my judgment and decisions can be trusted to be in their best interest in the future. Therefore, I will regrettably recuse myself from any participation in the hearing and any discussion of this agenda item today or the hearing discussion and recommendation vote planned for next month. Thank you. Clerk, will you please have the record show that vice that Commissioner Colossimo has recused himself? And for clarification, this is for agenda item 7A, GPA2-00001. Clerk, do we have public comment? Yes, we have seven registered. First up is Chuck Gorman, followed by Sandy Graham.

Hello. I think that's probably good. My name is Chuck Corman. I live here in Prescott Valley. You mentioned address. Do you need anything further than that? I'm sorry, sir. When you were discussing the public comments, you mentioned that we had to say our address. Do you need that? Yes, please. Your name and address for the record.

Okay. My name again is Charles Gorman. I live at 1896 Fitz Morris View Court in Prescott Valley. I am here tonight to express my full support for Commissioner Colosimo. Um like me, Joe is not motivated by property values or personal gain. We both plan to stay in our homes for the rest of our lives. We care about this community because it's our home, not an investment. Recently, Sandra Graham and Prescott Valley Citizens Alliance have written it to the town manager and town council demanding uh Commissioner Kosimo's recusal alleging a conflict of interest related to his home value. As he just stated, not only are those claims false, I'm also deeply concerned about the tactics being used against him. The threats and personal attacks directed that his livelihood and career are completely unacceptable. No one who volunteers their time and expertise to serve this town should face intimidation for doing so. Not only are those claims false, oh I already said that one. Many members of the PVCA and those others opposed to the proposed quaries at government tank have spread incorrect information about both Commissioner Kosimo and the nature of local quarine operations. They've claimed residents will die from silica posing and that their homes will collapse from blasting. None of these are true. The ongoing operations at the base of Glassford Hill Road demonstrate that these spheres are unfounded. Note also that the operations conducted by APS APNS asphalt paving and supply at the bottom of Glassford Hill are not running in any way similar to what we've seen at the CMX or Vulcan facilities near Highway 89A. Um, under no circumstances should anybody's ability to provide for their family or continue their career be threatened by the kinds of falsehoods and personal attacks being

promoted by the not a government tank group. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir.

I believe Sandy Graham was next. Good evening, chair and commission. I'm Sandy Graham and I'm speaking on behalf of Prescat Valley Citizens Alliance Board of Directors. We have a considerable concern about allowing a reszoning change from RL70 residential single family limited to IG industrial general for aggregate mining operation within Prescat Valley Town Boundaries as requested by the landowner. The objectives in Prescat Valley tone town zoning code in chapter 13 are not met if this resoning is changed to industrial general. Objectives are to preserve the beauty of the community to protect the land and building values in the town. Ensuring that zoning is compatible activity within the town limits. These are just a few that must be considered if you are following the written code of the town. Not only is this action a resoning, but a major plan amendment. Amending the general plan is a severe action. One could interpret this amendment change as failing to meet the town zoning cone objectives in chapter 13 which was just updated December 11th, 2024. The voters approved the latest general plan in 2022. The town and the applicant must demonstrate conformance of the general plan. Your decision must not adversely impact the community as a whole or a portion of the community. Voters are

anticipating zoning to be compatible with surrounding land uses. Mining within the town limits is not an improvement to the general plan. The parcel 40214004 is a village planned area development. A1, which was planned as a lowdensity neighborhood with walking trails, neighborhood centers, public gathering places with schools, community facilities, and shopping services. This PA AD would be compatible with the future Stone Ridge development as well as our neighbors just a short distance to the east and not much more distance to the northeast. If this zoning to industrial general is recommended by you, this will open the door for others to expect industrial mining within town boundaries. This would be set a very poor president. And I'd also like to know that the applicant's narrative under general plan amendment requests states that they are requesting a minor general plan amendment. We all know this is incorrect. We are asking that you take our concerns and your due diligently seriously and vote no on reszoning and major amendment. Thank you.

Thank you, Miss Graham. [applause]

I'd like to ask this evening that we please withhold any applause, yelling. We're all adults and I would like to maintain decorum for the session this evening. So, thank you very much. Clerk, our other speakers, please. Tammy Rossy and William Hathaway. was right. Commission members and neighbors, my name is Tammy Rossi. I live at 1394 North Cloud Cliff Pass in Prescuit Valley. I moved to Prescat Valley in 1982 and in Stone Ridge since 2015. I have no health issues related to silica or dust of any kind even though I live close to the present APNS quarry. My home property value has increased by 90% over the last 10 years. My close friend Joe Colossimo, who showed us how an ethical public official should act this evening, shared with me that his home has increased in value by almost the same percent over an even shorter time. That should show the lie that he and any of us living in Stone Ridge are afraid of losing money because of an expansion on the APNS facility

near our Stone Ridge homes. It is an argument based on fear and emotion by a group of people who have fought against the last three major development projects in Prescuit Valley in the same ways. All we are asking is for you to decide based on facts and what is best for the residents of Prescat Valley instead of fear and misinformation. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Rossy. Mr. Math Hacko Hathaway.

Good afternoon. I want to thank you first all of you for your voluntary service. Mr. Haway, will you pull the mic up please to your Thank you so much.

Yes. Can you hear me now? Okay. Thank you all and thank you as well, Joe. Um, I was especially happy to see you here tonight. I've worked with you on another advisory committee and your service over the years is truly legendary. Thank you very much. I had originally uh registered to speak with respect to the topic of Mr. Kalismo's uh possible recusal. So at this point I no longer need to make comments though I wish to personally say I find your reasoning laudable. I just didn't agree with it and uh I do have some specific comments that I have reserved for later with respect to the agenda items. Thank you very much.

Thank you Mr. Hackaway. Clerk our next speakers please. David Larnner and Patricia Butsole. [clears throat] Good evening everyone. My name is Dave Lner. I live at 7444 East Weaver Way in Prescuit Valley. I'm going to make some points and some observations regarding the government gravel pit. Dave, if you could speak into the mic. How's this? Perfect. I can pull it off and walk around. I feel better when I walk around.

Thank you. [clears throat] So couple observations. Most of the group, the PVCA that is leading the charge against government tank locations are not residents of Presca Valley. They are residents of Dwey. Yet they seem to feel entitled to tell us what is best for Prescal Valley and for me personally what is best for Stone Ridge residents. My al understanding is that the gravel pit is a binary choice. The front entrance of Stone Ridge and the land around Fan Fain Park will be the legal choice. If government tank is not chosen, there is no third option. PBCA is a group of people funded by some entity that has no interest in the betterment of Prescat Valley. They are a no growth group that has already shut down the Amazon expansion. If Prescat Valley doesn't grow, it dies. Do we cit citizens need to worry about their community, not ours? PBCA's 16page opposition report was extremely slanted towards the preferences of the home in Dwey, and there was not a single mention of concern for the homes in Stone Ridge and Victorian Estates that will be affected. A conservative estimate would be 200 plus homes in PV versus 20 homes in Dwey. Squeaky wheel gets the gets the oil. There's no mention of the fact that the fains have bent over backwards to try and find a solution. Instead of the fains having been accused of dividing the community, which is unp 100% incorrect, it's PVCA that is driving the community. that is dividing them. In fact, the fans have offered the land around Feain Park to the town of Presca Valley if the government tank

gravel pit is approved. Obviously, there are details to be worked out. That's a win for Prescat Valley and the surrounding towns. One of the arguments that the PVCA uses is that the 2035 general plan already has been approved. As we all know, plans are necessary to run a business, a government, a family trip, etc. Plans are not enshrined in stone and can and must be altered based on changing situations. And if they are not changed, it could be detrimental. I don't need to tell you that is a to threaten a lawsuit against a person just because they have a different well-informed opinion is evil. Are these the type of people you want representing Presca Valley? I would like you to please recommend Government Tank to Presca Valley Town Council. Thank you very much.

Thank you, Dave.

Patricia Bets,

excuse me, Patricia Betszel. um 391 Armmitage Way in Chino Valley. I wanted to address the importance of our general plan 2035 that we all voted for in 2022. One of the key protections that the general plan gives all of us, especially if we're homeowners, is ensuring that we do not have incompatible um zoning next to each other. In this particular case, I know people are talking about the mine. That's one example, but industrial in general is a very difficult land use and is not suitable for residential areas. And I don't think there's any way around that. But I wanted to talk a little bit how the town in 2022 um actually we were very proud of them at the time. They stopped a proposed operation because it was inconsistent with the general plan and inconsist inconsistent with the strategic plan that was intended to create a fresh vision for our community. And if any um operations on a particular piece of land appears to threaten other town improvements and quality of life, that's a big deal in the plan. Then the staff in this particular case was um informing the applicant that they would consider any legally available actions needed to protect its interests and the interest of the citizens of the town. Unfortunately, um later there seems to be a a change in attitude in the town where a decision was made and a deal was made to exchange a change to one property in exchange for

another which didn't have to be didn't happen to be in a more popular and successful area. I'll just say that I don't want to pick out a specific project, but the concern here is that the person representing the town at the time did not ask its citizens what they should do. They took it upon themselves. They took the right of the people to be represented because this was not even an elected official and went forward with the plan which proved to be extremely divisive. And they did it not because of quality of life and not because of the citizens but to save a park. And for us, it's very concerning when we put a park in front of people's lives, people's homes, their children, and their quality of life. So, I just wanted to share that today. Thank you.

Thank you, Miss Betszel. Clerk, do we have any other registered speakers for call to the public? Chris Russo.

Yeah. Good evening, Commissioner. Good evening uh all you commissioners as well. Uh my name is Chris Russo. I live at 6430 East Kilkenny in Prescott Valley and I'm just [snorts] here to uh voice my support for Government Tank. Uh the um the necessity to have this rock that they need for uh as aggregate for building in Capresca Valley for the the asphalt is um only available at two spaces and that's Government Tank or in Stone Ridge. And because I I I don't necessarily live in Stone Ridge, but uh I am supportive of the uh people in Stone Ridge to have the freedom to uh make a decision that affects them and them alone. So I am again I am for government tank.

Thank you Mr. Russo. Clerk, do we have any other registered speakers?

Ken Fine. Thank you. Planning and zoning commission and and the public. Uh my name is Ken Freud and uh I live in Mingus West in Prescat Valley and I come here tonight as a very concerned private citizen of Prescat Valley. I wish to speak about a serious breach of conduct by Mr. C. Colosimo. He has been conducting a series of public meetings lobbying for the government tank quarry reszoning. These were held at various locations throughout town including Storage, Victorian Estates, and Quailwood, but these were done as a private citizen. Since he was appointed by the town council as a commissioner, he has conducted another such meeting campaigning for the government tank quarry. This was held at the crystal room here in the library last Friday after he was a commissioner. This is improper and in unacceptable and is a violation of the ethics policy. This type of activity by a commissioner reflects poorly not only on Mr. Colosimo but on the integrity of the entire commission and therefore the town. He should not only recuse himself but he should resign to pre to rep preserve the reputation of the PNZ. Thank you.

Thank you Councilman Freud clerk. Any other call to the public? No, Madam Chair. Thank you. If there's anybody else in the audience that did not register for call to the public, you're welcome to come to the microphone. Are there any other speakers? Yes, Miss Bear. Come to the microphone, please.

Good evening, Board of Adjustment. My name is Bear Shim. You excuse me. Work planning and zoning commission.

Well, it's close. I do know my address. I live at 7699 East Bravo Lane. I'm affectionately known as the cheerful capitalist. I have lived and prospered in Stone Ridge since 2009. There are no dead bunny bodies littered. My neighbors are not falling to their knees. I don't gasp for breath. I look to you and to town staff to obviously make this decision. But the fur surrounding this just isn't Prescott Valley. It's not how we interact. It's not how I choose to live. I want to see Prescott Valley prosper. I want good jobs to come here. We are growing. We will be growing. I lived in Surprise and Surprise is made some dramatic improvements. Prescott Valley is is going to change, but I truly believe in the United States property rights are important. This project has been researched and looked at and it is going to be either a government tank or the site much closer to another residential community. Stone has not suffered. Prescott Valley will not suffer. And I look forward to this project going forward so that we can enjoy prosperity and a happy future in our town. Thank you.

Thank you, Bear. There anyone else in the audience who would like to make comment during call to the public? Is this for the Is this for the zoning? No, sir. No, sir. Tonight's agenda item 7A is a public hearing item on the general plan amendment only. No zoning tonight. There was two calls. I'm sorry. There's one call to the public, which is what we're doing now. And then during the agenda item, there's also public comment that we welcome. Thank you.

You're welcome.

Thank you, Mr. Rossy. Got it. Any other public that would like to make comment? Thank you. No. Item five. announcements. I would proudly like to recognize Officer Sheay Prescuit Valley Police Department who's with us this evening. Thank you. You're a blessing to our community. Officer Shay, we love you. Approval of the minutes from the September 8th, 2025 regular meeting of planning and zoning agenda item 6A. Do we have a motion for approval of the minutes?

I'll make a motion. Thank you, Commissioner Huat. Do we have a second? Second. Thank you, Vice Chair Herb. By voice vote, all of those in favor? I I

I. Any nay? Thank you. The minutes pass. Agenda item seven. This is our public hearing item this evening. 7A GPA 25-00001 government tank borrow pit. This is the first public hearing item. And again, this is a discussion only item. There will be no vote from the planning and zoning commission. So, making the presentation this evening, Miss um Stacy Bristo, would you like to make comment prior? Thank you, Stacy. Am I Is this on? Oh, perfect. Okay. Uh I'm the interim development services director, Stacy Bristo. I've met some of you, so thank you for showing up. I first want to say thank you to Chris, my staff, working really hard on this project. So, thank you for that, Chris. Um, I wanted to um welcome the newbies and thank you all for your service um and your volunteerism. So, thank you for all of that and thank you uh for the town staff as well. Also want to thank the community. Input's important to us. So, we appreciate it regardless of what side you're on. We appreciate the feedback. Uh I do want to let you know that we are still getting information in emails and calls and letters and different things. And if your information did not make it um to the board tonight, it will be in the next packet. we did have to cut it off at some point because we had to walk out the door and be here. Um, but I don't want you to feel like we weren't gathering the information. So, if your information wasn't shared with them, if you came in late this afternoon or your information was emailed to us late today, um, it will be at the next um, planning and zoning commission meeting. So, you'll get your information there and uh, there was some questions raised. As the information comes in, we don't redact, we don't change, we don't do anything with it. We simply gather the information and then share it back out. Um, so uh, no involvement there. So, just wanted to let you know that. Um, and with that, I'm going to introduce

Chris to present on this applicant. Thank you. Thank you, Stacy. Thank you, chair, vice chair, commission. Good evening, Mr. Norlock. Thank you. Also wanted to, like Stacy said, thank the community for all your input either either side on it. Appreciate all the input on every project. I wish you got this on every project. It's kind of awesome. And also just wanted to thank the staff as well. Mr. Norlock. In as much as this is a public hearing item, I will open the public hearing. Thank you.

Perfect. So, uh, as you said, this is a major general plan amendment. Um, although it did not meet the requirements in the general plan to be a major amendment. Um, there is a special provision that allows a petition by the citizens with qualified signatures to make it a general plan amendment or a major general plan amendment. And that's how we got here to today. Um this is the timeline that we have to meet for the major general plan amendment. Um we did send out notices on August 22nd to numerous departments. Um, the Arizona Department of Environmental Quality, Arizona Department of Water Resources, the Commerce Authority, Game and Fish, the State M Inspector, the City of Prescuit, the town of Dwey Humboldt, the Humbult Unified School District, um, Northern Arizona Council of Governments, um, Planning and Zoning Commission, Prescat Valley Town Council, Town of Chino Valley, and, uh, Yavapai County, as well as any written requesters that request any projects. The applicant did have three neighborhood meetings for this project. Two were in person and one was virtual for people that couldn't attend in person. Um, and now we have two planning and zoning hearings, each in a different location, and then one town council hearing by the end of the year per the requirements set forth in the town's general plan that we're following. So, the current designation is to change is actually village pad A1. Um and the request is to amend the general plan to designate this area as industrial. Um and this is just a preliminary site plan we were given by the applicant. Um and any final site plan will be approved at engineering permit and they will have to cross or black canyon uh one time. That is it for me. Just a short presentation today. I will turn it over um to the applicant who has a presentation as well. But if you have any questions at this time before he comes up and speaks, I'll take them, but he might cover them. So feel free to

wait either way you want to do it. Commission, do you have any questions for Mr. Norlock, Commissioner Gy, Vice Chair, Commissioner King? Commissioner Huitt. Wow. Mr. Norlock, you got easy. I I'm sure I won't. [laughter] So the applicant, his representative is coming forward. Yes. Uh Bill Li.

Good evening, Madam Chair, commissioners. Uh for the record, Bill Lai with Tiffany and Bosco tonight representing the applicant. Uh and and appreciate uh all your time tonight and I think all the comments are very valuable as we go through the process. And I think the process is important for a major general plan amendment to know that we have two meetings. That's very very significant and very unique for major general plan amendments. So uh as Chris indicated, even though it did not technically meet your own major general plan amendment guidelines, which is a change of 100 acres or more, and we're at 40 acres, there is a provision in your general plan that does allow the citizens to trigger it. So, we're here tonight and again next time uh because of the citizens trigger, not because it met the actual general plan criteria. Um I do want to walk through a little bit tonight and then reserve some time at the end. I will try to be quick through this because I know you have a lot of speakers here tonight, a lot of information. Again, representing the F Enterprise Group. Uh only tonight is just the major general plan amendment, not the zoning case. So, I know there was a little bit of some mixed vocabulary earlier about the zoning case and whether the zoning case is consistent with something. We're just here tonight to talk about the the major general plan amendment. I'll focus all of our uh comments on that as well. Uh the parcel is uh about 40 acres, a little shy of 40 acres uh surrounded by in the general plan a village called uh P A1. Um, but I think it's it's important to talk a little bit about the history uh because this history has dates back to really at 1982 when the original mining operations began next to Feain Park. Uh, Feain Park wasn't actually Feain Park at the time. So, uh, that operation has been in place for 40 plus years. Um, a lot of folks have moved in next to it over the years and understand the

impacts of it. More recently though, um, as Feain Park was dedicated in 1996, it kind of bifurcated the the two mining spots. And again, the mining locations today that we're talking about near Feain Park are in the county. They're not in the town of Prescat Valley. And so, those have been operating under under the county rules for many, many years. uh in the 21 to 22 time frame. Many a few years ago, the town reached out to uh the the land owners and asked them uh if they were planning to expand on to the secondary site on the west side of the park. And the conversation was yes, we would like to renew our road permit to do so. At the time, the conversations were we would prefer that you don't. Uh we'd prefer that you find another location. Um, the Fain family spent about a year plus evaluating any and all locations. As you know, they they have a couple uh acres in the town and in the county. So, they uh went out with the experts to evaluate where is the hard rock because you can't just necessarily replace it anywhere. You have to go where the hard rock is. A lot of tests, a lot of evaluation. And then they had to decide, okay, even if something's 20 miles away, does it make sense to bring those trucks on the public roads? Probably not. So, let's try to find something as close as possible to where the hall road could be inside of Fain property off of the main roads. And that's what happened. So, a couple years ago, the fins filed for the original general plan application for this case. It was again as I mentioned a minor general plan amendment because it was less than 100 acres. There was a petition at the time uh and a court petition to require that to be a major general plan amendment. So there at the time they went ahead and paused the application. But at that time, uh, the family was also taking tours out to the

site, uh, filmed a drone flight footage [snorts] of the site, uh, because it's a little bit remote, so not everybody could get out to the site to see really what the impact was. So, what they did at the time, a couple years ago, was spend money on a drone flight to make sure that folks could see exactly what we're talking about and then actually did some private tours. um that application was put on hold because there was again some additional um outpour and um uh comments from the community. So we put that case on hold. That case ended up expiring because again it was a general plan amendment and it had to go through within the same year. Um in 2024 like I said was the litigation. So, we came back this year and started those conversations with the town and the town again re re-energized their commitment to try not to um utilize the undeveloped part of the fame property on the west side of the park that is approved for mining today and that they could go there today uh without any approvals from the town. And so there was a conversation had the location was located and it as you can see it's called government tank. um that was then applied for earlier this year and then we have gone through a number of meetings and hearings. But this gives you a good idea of the location and again what's in front of you today is the 40 acre yellow square. It is not one of a couple sites that were chosen. This is the general plan um amendment application and resoning application. And so again, the experts advised the family on where is the hard rock, where can it be extracted, and where can it be extracted in a location with the least impact to public roads and the public. Um, so this site was chosen. Uh, as you can see, the existing evacuation pit is where most of the operation and the um

existing operation. So the the rock will be extracted from here and then [snorts] driven over to the existing operation and processed there. So we won't have a a replica of the exact facility that's at the current pit at the new location. It'll be a much um slim down version of what's there today. The green is obviously the park and the property on the west side of the park uh was the property was going to be phase two for sand and gravel operation. Um, as staff indicated, we're in village Pad A1. Um, general plans. I think it's important to note that and spec specifically with Presca Valley, your general plan is very generic. Very generic. A lot of other general plans around the state will have lots of colors. I mean, dialed down to 10 and 15 acres of this should be commercial and this should be um this type of residential and this should be that type of residential. you guys have a very generic general plan and it does give some guidance in the general plan of some things that could go there. So, as you can see in PADA1 is not a um a very descriptive location of exactly what should go there. So, once we found this location and we understood that it was as far away from the residential as we could possibly find but still meeting the original criteria, it made sense to locate within this PA a. Uh again, this shows you sort of an understanding of where it's located. To the west, obviously, is a very large state land piece. So, uh no homes pending there at the moment. A lot of the the pink, yellow, or pink and red around it is owned by the applicant as well. Um, and the PAD itself talks about d certain types of uses. And I know you received some some information that said only residential can go there. And I would refer to you to p basically page

58 of your own pad that says number of uses are appropriate for the PAD general plan categories and one of which can be industrial. So it does not prohibit it by its own terminology in the PA. Um the most interesting thing about this case for me was the outreach that we did. We uh were asked by the ownership to try something unique this time and we tried a new software called Slido. Um and as although we were required to have two neighborhood meetings, we had a third neighborhood meeting for folks who couldn't attend one of the others. And we utilized Slido software which was the first time for me whereby we held a neighborhood meeting for an hour, hour and a half, two hours and received and answered about 70 to 100 questions each time in a very respectful way by utilizing a software and an app in real time. So folks could be sitting there an asking questions on their phone, the question pops up on the screen, our team would sit there and answer the question. So, it was probably the most productive thing that I've seen in terms of conveying information and collecting questions. And so, uh, we presented most of what you've heard here tonight, uh, in terms of the the background on the sites, um, some of the other mitigation concerns that were that were talked about, but in reality, we were able to probably field over a hundred questions, individual questions. A lot of them were a version of the same question. Uh, but I think it was probably the most well attended, productive, and just nice open house. When you have a hundred people in the room, sometimes it can get rowdy. So, we were pretty excited to to utilize that. Um, couple of the issues that were brought up in those meetings, and I think we can talk a little bit more about it as we get into it, but really, you know, talking about is there going to be blasting? What is the scheduling of of blasting? Are you going to monitor

pre and post blasting? what is the track record for that? Those were some of the issues that we can get into tonight. You know, if there uh is more time or if there's a need to drill down on each one of those issues, but we have our experts here tonight. The blasting is not a uh regular thing. It's literally probably like a once a year or once every couple years type of thing. It'll last for 5 seconds, it's done, then they go back into the pit and start extracting. And so, uh, there was during these openhouse meetings, we had the experts and we asked and answered many versions of these questions. And so, I think it was, uh, a great opportunity for the community to be informed. The other concern that I think a lot of people had is how far away this is from existing communities. Now, we're here in Prescat Valley. We're asked to evaluate the general plan of the Prescat Valley, town of Prescat Valley. So, as you look at the the arrows and you see the distances away from existing communities and existing roads, this is uh way short of the location that we have today, which is about 4 to 600 ft away from existing homes within Stone Ridge. And so, the concerns that you hear about blasting or dust or or noise or lights, some of those things uh are are issues that I think are made up. Honestly, I think when you think about the existing facility that is way bigger than 40 acres that exist 4 to 600 feet away from existing homes and the precautions that that operator has taken to mitigate dust, to make sure that lights aren't shining, you know, near homes to make sure that the roads um are watered for the trucks, make sure that the the lights and the noise isn't um impacting the neighbors in the surrounding area. have a letter in the packet that you receive from the state legislators. One of them lives probably the closest to the location and I don't think he would

pin a letter on his state legislative um uh letter head if he didn't truly believe that the the issues the existing site today are not what are being um talked about in the community. So this was important just to show the community exactly how far away this new site will be. Um oh jumped up. Another issue was was noise. you have a rock crusher out there. Are we going to be up all night long listen to this rock crusher? And so what we try to do is go out onto the OSHA websites and the other websites and try to compare a rock crusher sound to other kind of common areas. And so if you look at rock crusher, the bottom one, the yellow, that's at zero feet. That's if I'm standing right next door to it. Nobody will be, but if I was standing right next door to it, other than workers, it's at about 110 dB. So if you look at the comparison to other similar uh items, the most likely scenario is rock crusher at a/4 mile or a half a mile away. And you look at the 50 to 60 dB, which is consistent with a vacuum in your house, a refrigerator um similar to um the jackhammer u but again jackhammer being right next door to you is even louder than a rock crusher. So we tried to find OSHA type standards out there to compare this to. So it's not just a well it could be type of thing. And and again we we shared all of this through our process with the open houses to show that the noise is not considerable. The the rock crusher will be hundreds if not thousands of feet away from homes. And so that and it and it's down in a valley. So the sound will stay down in the valley. Um and and so but but again we wanted to make sure that we were addressing those concerns and those issues. Uh we also talked about dust and silica and and what are some of the concerns you know from the community's health standards. Uh and Pruit from APNS is here tonight if if we

get into a more detailed discussion, but basically APNS and their insurer has done testing on the employees that are in the pit operating equipment and has put testing uh machine on the workers themselves to test and make sure that the silica dust particles aren't at a harmful or exceed a harmful level. Um and so that's the type of operation uh that APNS uh does today on their larger facility and that's the type of operation that they will have at the new facility. They will continue to do tests. We do not believe there's a silica or a dust issue. We will have water trucks that will water down all of the areas, not just the road that we're driving on, but all of the areas that are being worked on. So, we can dig into that a little bit later if if need be. Um, another question came up is where's the water going to come from? Um, we have a existing use at the existing site where we'll truck water over. We're not going to drill a well. We're not going to use groundwater. You know, we're not going to potentially um impact any of the surrounding wells. We will import water to the location. Um, and again, the there's some concerns about local residents in the Dwey to the south of us that actually have existing wells that have problems already. And so, when it comes to blasting or water use, we will make sure that we're taking all of that into account. We do not think there's going to be any impact on those existing wells. Um, APNS is probably one of the best operators out there. They comply with all kinds. It isn't just the town or the county, but it's the state and the federal regulations. So, they're constantly being monitored, constantly being surveyed, constantly being checked in on. And so, uh, they're one of the best in the round. They will be the operator on this next sites. And so, we feel very good that we have a good partner on this site. Um,

going forward, very few conditions on the general plan. You'll see probably a few more on the zoning case as we as we get into December. Um, but again, when there's concerns about noise or dust, we will comply with everything that exists today in the town code and and I think that was probably um important for the town. You know, you have you have a nuisance law that covers lights and sounds. Uh, you have dust control here as well. And so, there is a way for strict compliance um on this side and I think that makes a lot of sense. So, uh, madam chair, commissioners, happy to answer any questions. We have a lot of stuff for rebuttal later on if if we want to get into it, but just wanted to give you a brief overview.

Thank you, Mr. Lai. And I will be adding some conditions of approval to your short list. Yes, ma'am. Commissioners, any questions of Mr. Lai? Vice Chair Herb. Yes, if we can go back the slide. This is not a zoning question. I just want to make sure I understood what you said correctly. the map that showed the existing quarry, the proposed location and the park is the green. Correct. That is correct.

You had stated earlier that take the current proposal the the change to the um uh lost my train of thought. I apologize. Um you had made a statement that Fain currently or the the the the operation is currently approved to do something to the west of the park. Is that the blue edged out area just to the west of the green? Is that what you were talking about?

Madam Chair, Vice Vice Chairman. Yes. So the the remaining blue dotted area is about 65 plus acres, 40 to 65 acres depending on what you include that surrounds the park on the west side. And currently that was and is contemplated as the phase 2 borrow pit.

If this was to move forward, what happens to that? Yeah, as we mentioned, Madam Chair, Commissioner, as we mentioned, and I think was also alluded to there, there's a couple different things that will be in front of commission. You will have a a general plan amendment, major general plan amendment for action next time, and a zoning case, a compat companion zoning case that talks specifically to the zoning on the site. Uh the third item is a development agreement that we're working with the town on. And so that development agreement typically doesn't go in front of the planning commission for approval. typically goes from the town council. I'm not sure if that will change or not, but I I don't believe so. But the development agreement will have conditions in there by which the Fain family have committed to donating and gifting the West Fain park land to the town. Uh it's not a quid proquo for the zoning. It is a a development agreement that talks about how the gift will happen. And so one of the conditions obviously is that the zoning is vested because obviously we can't abandon the the the rights of the of the pit over there until we have a replacement location. But once that's done and vested, uh there is a separate development agreement. And I know there was a a comment in one of the letters about contract zoning. And I'll spend just a second just to edify that. Contract zoning is where you have a development agreement that says you do this thing, we'll give you your zoning. And the reason why it's illegal is because you can't do that and not go through zoning hearings and follow the state statute in terms of changing zoning. Years and years and ago back in the Wild Wild West in Arizona, you could do that and you could say, "Hey, we'll do this and we'll give you your zoning without going through public hearings." So that's not what the development agreement is. It's not contract zoning. It's not a prid quotequo. This is its own process. The zoning case is its own process. And then the development agreement is its own process by which we

say town, if we can get this replacement site secured and zoned and and ready to go as a promise to you, the town of not going back to that site after we got our zoning over here. We'll give you that land. And that was a request by the town as we got into this conversation. It wasn't something that we offered. I don't think we came to the table saying, "Hey, we're want to give you a bunch of land." Um, but it was something that the town asked us, how do we guarantee because it's in the county, it's not in the town. How do we guarantee you're not going to go right back to that site as soon as you get government take approved? So, the guarantee is built into the development agreement.

And if the master plan change did not occur, wasn't granted, they have approval and could use that space to the west of the park. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Madam Chair, Commissioner, there's some logistics in terms of um access and transportation and how we would get the trucks around the park and uh probably have to put them back out on on uh the road public roads, but yes, that would be the plan. Thank you. Thank you, Vice Chair. Commissioner King, do you have questions of Mr. Li?

There go ahead. Thank you. Madam Chair, can you please go to slide six and Okay, so I'm looking here at village pad A1. I see this proposed area and you said I believe maybe it was in slide seven that this can be slotted as industrial. Okay, so a pad can be developed for residential, commercial, industrial or a mix of these types of uses. Right. Understood. In the general plan though, what is the language for village pad A1 that was agreed upon?

Let me see if I can find um Madam Chair, Commissioner, I don't think I have that on a slide. Um it does have a mixture of residential uses contemplated on on the site. Again, Village Pad A1 um is a very large piece of property. It contemplated all kinds of different uses. Um, and I think that the contemplation was because it's single family residential today that the likely buildout would be single family residential in the future. Hence, if we were completely compatible with all of the language, we wouldn't need a general plan amendment at all. So, so we are here changing the general plan um to allow for an industrial use within a residential area.

Got it. Okay. So currently that type of use is not contemplated there. Correct. Right. So how about do we have a vision for what possibilities might look like for the other surrounding areas that are not currently in use?

Yeah. I mean let's go to the aerial. Um so Madame Chair, Commissioner King, immediately to the left is obviously a large section of state land property. So [snorts] no no vision from our side of the table in terms of the applicant. Um we chose this 40 acres uh because the hard rock existed there and I think if there were 100 acres of it, we would have probably come in with 100 acres. There's 40 acres of hard rock right there and that's it. So we will uh dig and find the hard rock on that 40 acres. Um there has been talk about doing some overlays over it to kind of show some other uses, non-industrial uses so that there isn't a you know huge industrial complex that shows up. That will take a whole another process and we we're not there yet. We haven't gone through the process of figuring out what would be compatible, what wouldn't be compatible and so uh but mind you it would be in front of you first. So

Right. Understood. Okay. And then just for my own edification, can you explain and give me some understanding of what the demand is and why there's such a demand for this hard rock? Madam Chair, Commissioner, that's a might be a little out of my wheelhouse, but let let me just try my best based on what I've heard Pete from APNS, who is here tonight, um, to back me up if I say something incorrect, but basically every road that gets built in Arizona needs this type of rock. So, A DOT, the state, the town, private development, anywhere we're building roads, we need this type of rock. And so this type of rock is running out at at the existing site. This type of rock is needed for this entire region. We're not exporting it outside the region. Uh we want to find the rock. It's heavy and it's costly to transport. So you want to find locations near where it's going to be used. So, as Prescuit Valley and the surrounding areas develop and need more road expansions or as your town continues to widen roads, this product is absolutely critical to your future.

So, is there current demand needed for it here? I see over the past 25 years average uses is 132.9 acres per feet, right? Right. And so I was just trying to understand what is the current demand and what's the future demand and if we have any statistics related there too as what might have been approved in the surrounding areas for why the rock is needed. Madam Chair, Commissioner, I I'll probably have to dig a little deeper with with Pete and the good thing is we're back in front of you next month and I can get that answer to you. I don't have it tonight and and and if Pete runs up here and taps me on the shoulder and has that exact answer, great. Uh I will write it down and make sure we get that answer to you.

Okay, understood. And thank you very much for the previous question. That helps me understand too about the um separating out the development agreement and how that might work with the additional areas that's in the blue. That was a good question. That's all for now. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Commissioner King. Commissioner Huat. Uh yes, Madam Chair. Mr. Li, thank you for coming.

Commissioner uh King, you're still a little my thunder. Ask a lot of the questions I was going to ask. Um what are we talking about as uh for his long longevity? I mean how long will this site that is there any potential idea how long the site will be used and mined? Madam Chair, Commissioner and again I think Pete would better be answer but I think it's unknown till they get in there and they start working and figuring out how long it's going to ex take to extract certain rock and then demand changes obviously in the area and so I think it's a moving question but I'll make sure to write it down and try to get back to you. I mean I we have been at the larger pit since ' 82. uh APNS came in I think in 2002 and have been operating it you know for the last 20 plus years and so you know that that's a 40 plus year pit um I don't want to put on the record but I think that's probably about what we're talking about here

so I read in the brief uh they talked about crushing on site and then hauling obviously it's a probably a a better operation instead of hauling the rock and crushing at uh at the lo current location um is that still the plan Madam Chair Commissioner Yeah. So, as you can see, there's the the there's the connection road on there, and the connection roads there for a reason. A lot of the processing of the rock, the the the more minute crushing and and processing will continue to happen at the Feain Park site. Um, we will be extracting, putting in a truck, and driving over and processing over there.

Oh, okay. So, I misunderstood. I thought I read in the brief that there was they were in hopes of crushing on this site to get I think they're and again this might be a peak question, Madam Chair, commissioner. Um I think they have to crush some of it to get it in the truck and then more refined processing over at the other location.

That's reasonable. Um with regard to the Hall Road, it's relatively long. Um it does cross a welltraveled public roadway. um crossing in the town limits. Um but it's going to impact obviously town and county residents. Um I know specifically the construction of the road both on the town side and on the county side because I was involved in that process. Um a little bit um is there a plan to do any improvements at that crossing because the current configuration or structural section of the road isn't isn't couldn't handle hall trucks even a few a day. M madam chair, commissioner, there there is plans to um build an you know reinforce probably the existing road and then build up whatever needs to in terms of crossing it. So yes, there we're only going to cross it once which is good. If you think about some of the other thoughts previously other sites uh even this particular site trucks would be on the roads like going down the roads uh that we're just doing a quick crossing here and so uh that crossing will go through the process with the town and make sure that um the engineering the design is adequate.

Okay. Thank you.

So Commissioner Huat you stole my thunder on a question I had for Mr. Lolly. How could you read my notes all the way down here? [laughter] So, um I was also going to ask about the extraction of rock and and what we thought the timeline was for 40 acres and how long that would last. So, um I'm sure that our um operator, Mr. Thompson, will share some of that with us. But would you take us to the slide please where you show the distances from the 40 acres from the other homes there it goes. So I really think that this 1.5 mile the 1.47 and the 1.08 08. I feel that those miles are much further because it looks like you've just taken the measurement to the corners of the 40 acre parcel when the phases for the rock extraction are much deeper inside of that 40 acre parcel. So those distances are going to be farther. How's my trigonometry?

Madam Chair, I think you're tracking correctly. Uh I think we wanted to try to do that to the farthest corner. It is 40 acres, so it's a big piece. Uh we will be starting in the middle um operation. So there we're probably conservatively a couple hundred feet, you know, under where where it's actually going to be. Okay. And we are depressed. We're depressed in a hole. Perfect. So, um, I do have a question for Mr. Thompson. I need to come up or stand. No, sir. You have to come to the microphone. Thank you.

My name is Pete Thompson. I'm with Asphalt Paving and Supply. Thank you, Mr. Thompson. And then for the record, you're going to be the operator of the rock extraction component, correct? Yes, ma'am.

Thank you. So on the preliminary site plan, it shows multiple phases. Are you starting those phases in phase one and then moving to two or can you mix and match your phase extractions? You're you're referring to the property near Stone Ridge is in phases. Oh, in that I can't see that from here. I'd have to have that in front of me. Make it big. I have bad eyes.

There it is. I can answer that. These aren't phases. These are different pieces of equipment, different piles that we'll be putting up. Um we'll be extracting the rock, putting it into a crusher, and then it'll be as it's crushed, it'll be fed through conveyor belts to rocks that are 4 in, rocks that are 2 in, rocks that are 1 in, that type of that's what you're looking at on those red circles. No, the little the little squares in this box where it says phase 1 through 8. Are those phases where you start the extraction in these areas?

I'm not aware of how we're going to phase that at this point.

Okay. Okay. So, one of my other questions at the point in time when we get to the conditions of approval, I I would like some sort of notation, Mr. Li, or recommendation on your part as to how we call out this site plan. So, it's in the conditions of approval, please. I think that's important. Madame Chair, I think u let us talk with staff because we have the general plan is basically a very generic thing. We have a zoning case as well that that's going to have a little bit more detail to it. And so uh let me work with your staff to figure out how best to coordinate that.

Perfect. And Mr. Thompson in one of the slides for Mr. Loi um he talked about blasting would be Monday through Saturday. Is that going to be a standard blasting time frame and you're going to work on Saturdays or did you just put that in there should you need to blast on a Saturday?

Monday through Saturday is a placeholder depending on the demand that we incur from state projects, town of Presca Valley projects, Yavapai County projects. The blasting is our last resort. We have a lot of big machines that can dig that rock out until it becomes a solid rock the size of this room or something. At that point, we start blasting. Uh the blasting process is two, three weeks of drilling holes and loading the charges into the hole. And when they squeeze the button, 5 seconds later, it's over. And that will take us, depending on the rock, it's going to take us several weeks to remove that rock while they're drilling another section. Usually when we'd blast something, it would be 100,000 tons at a time and it'd probably be in four blasts spread out over a month. So 20 seconds of dynamite in a month, maybe two.

Okay. Thank you, sir, for answering our questions. Am I dismissed? Well, hold on. Hold on. Possibly. Possibly. Madam Chair, I have a question for Mr. Thompson if that's okay. Certainly. Thank you, Commissioner Huat.

Nice to see you, Pete. Got a question for you. Um, maybe you can kind of blasting is such a scary term, right? Um, most people may not know what that looks like. I mean, you gave a pretty uh good description of what it how how it happens. You know, you drill the holes, you load them, and then obviously we're talking 5 seconds, 10 seconds of of blast time. Um, we're not talking about materials being thrown. I mean, this is very a controlled movement. Is that correct?

It's very controlled. Uh blasting on the top of a mountain is one thing where the material moves quite a bit and it often time comes down the mountain to a location that you're trying to direct it to. When you're blasting below surface, the ground kind of jumps up in the air. Um I blasted 3,000 ft of sewer line through Copper Basin Road with houses on both sides uh back in 2008 and 2009 and we never broke a window or anything. We covered it with dirt. The dirt got about six or eight inches fluffier when it was done and that was the end of it. Very controlled. I don't do it. We hire someone that's qualified to do that.

That was going to be my next question. Obviously, this isn't something that's handled inhouse, particularly through you with you guys, but you have an outside licensed company that comes in to do the work, right? Correct. We extract and process materials and we build highways for a living, parking lots, driveways, stuff like that. Do do you have any kind of idea? I mean, I know you guys have explored the site. Obviously, you wouldn't be here before us to see if this is valuable for this product. Um, uh, do you have any idea how, you know, what how long that this site could be in in operation for?

It's all buried underground right now. And so, until we open it up and see the depth of the rock and the width of the rock and everything, it's hard to say. We're hopeful that it's 10, 20, 30 years. Um it may be four or five years depending on what we find when we get get in there. All right. Thank you.

Thank you, Commissioner Huitt. Um Mr. Thompson, before you're dismissed, sir. on the um fire summary. We were given a letter tonight from CAFMA and they made a statement in their letter that says, "Proposed site shall be accessible to fire apparatus by way of an approved access roadway with an all-weather driving surface capable of supporting the imposed load of fire apparatus weighing up to 75,000 lbs. I'm confident that you will be working with our town engineer to go back to Commissioner Hwitt with that crossing the roadway. So, CAFMA will be able to have their statement answered. You're going to work with CAFMA.

70,000 lbs is light in our industry. So, we'll build the road to for much higher standards than 70,000 lbs. Perfect. I think the operative is all weather access, right? That's what they're wanting. Yes. It says all weather. Yeah. Yes. We work rain or shine. We we in fully intend to cut the road into the existing property, then plate it with something to keep it passible. Thank you, sir. Any other questions for Mr. Thompson? Can I answer one more thing?

Absolutely. Brianna, Commissioner Briana, you asked something about the 136 point something when you were asking about how long it took. I believe you were referring to the water usage from the surface water rights that we had. Oh, that is correct. It's underwater. Yeah, that's that was surface water usage. Okay. Are you done with me? Thank you, Mr. Tom. Happy you were here.

Commissioner Gi, you have a question of Mr. Lai. Yeah, I have uh several actually. Um for Mr. Thompson sits down, it may be one directed towards him. Uh we covered the the decibb for the rock crusher. U has the decibel for the blasting even though it is a short time. Uh has that been measured and provided?

A little taller me. Um madam chair, commissioner, I I don't have that in front of me. We didn't put it on the on the chart. Um I I think as he indicated it it it's it is fully underground. It's not a surface blast that would that would be pretty sudden and and pretty impactful. So let's let's see if we can find an underground blast comparison for you and bring that back the next time. Thank you. Um addition to that I I may have missed this. Um, if the government pit is moves forward, will the Chino Valley pit cease and remediate or will that or is the government pit in addition to the Chino Valley Pit?

We're going to have to have Pete answer that one. We own both locations. The one in north of Chino Valley as well, that will not cease. It's been in operation for a long time. more of a landscape type rock although it does have hard rock. It's um we have been hauling rock in from that pit but neither neither pit will close. Understood. Thank you. Uh final question little odd in nature. The access road that is being proposed is that being acquired in fee or by easement. Madam chair commissioner the road itself is all within the applicant's land. Understood. I think so. There won't be any need to acquire any right away.

Thank you, Commissioner Graci. Vice Chair Herb. Madam Chair, correct me if this ends up being a zoning question, but it just kind of seems to go in line with some of the stuff that was discussed. When we talk about time frames relative to the existing site and the new proposed site, I heard a couple things. one that we're running out of rock at the current site where majority of the process will take place and that we don't know the time frame in which the proposed location could run. With those two things aside, whether it's 5 years, 30 years, or the current site runs out of rock, what happens to that land when that happens?

Madam Chair, I'll let Pete answer. I think we have a remediation plan. We have a asphalt paving and supply has a reclamation plan in place with Arizona state mine inspectors. So it details exactly what we have to do. We have to get a a price from a third party. We have to go in reveate some areas, remove roads that aren't necessary for the fans to use for ranching purposes in the future. Um basically put the property back with erosion control measures and everything. Uh, anytime anybody opens up a mine in the state of Arizona, the reclamation plan is the first step in the process and it has to be approved through the state mine inspector.

Great. Thank you. I I asked the question only not just because of my own ignorance, but I would like that to be on the record so that that folks understand to your point if if the new site was to last a year, there is a plan in place to remedierate remedi remediate the property back to something as close as it was when you started. Correct.

Okay. Um, can you speak to one of you speak to longlasting effects for this kind of an operation if there are any and what they might be environmental type aspects? I don't know of any negative environmental impacts once the remediation plan is is once we see that through at you know at some stage in the future like I said to mitigate erosion and everything there's seating that goes along with that to put native grasses and vegetation back in. I can tell you that since we've tooken o since we've taken over the pit um in 1983 or 2003 at the south end of Glford Hill Road. The riparian area is 100% different. It was pretty much barren wasteland when we took the pit over. Um we have trees and deer and havalina and a bear and all kinds of stuff running in and out through our pit. I mean they don't They've moved right back in once we got the vegetation going and everything.

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Um, Mr. Li, before we bring in the agenda public hearing, folks, the conditions of approval, I one number three says the developer shall be in conformance with the developer development agreement. I know that that is still in negotiations. I would like to request for Mr. Norlock that when that development agreement has been finalized that the commission please receive a copy of it and then when it's finalized if it can also that date go in the proposed conditions of approval. Please sir, that that's the development agreement we're working off of. Hey, thank you, Madam Chair. We I'll work with uh your town attorney as well on on the date. Okay. It's possible that they go to the same hearing, so we'll we'll have to work on a date.

Thank you, sir. Commission, do we have any other questions for Mr. Norlock or Mr. Li before we open it up for public hearing comments? Madam Chair, I have one more, please. Yes, ma'am.

Okay. Um quick question here you know related to to this major amendment and uh some some law and code. So I see that uh representative um win right wrote a letter. When I was doing some research on the other Chino Valley site, I came across HB2685 which proposes that now the area needs to be a half mile radius from the site from residence. Do we have any information on that or confirmation that that site is compliant with that?

Madam Chair and Commissioner, I'd have to read re read this bill and I don't know if you're saying that it was actually adopted into law as a new restriction or it was a proposed house bill at the time. I'm not familiar with it, so I'll have to double check first. Okay, wonderful. Yeah, if you could do that, I think that would be really helpful and give the constituents some um ease of mind as well. So effectively what they're saying is that the state mine inspector has the opportunity to make sure that the distance of the proposed facility um is more than a half mile from any occupied residential structures. And can you repeat the HB HB2685? Perfect. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Absolutely. Thank you, Mr. Lai. We'll now open it up for public comment on agenda item 7A GPA2-00001. Clerk, do we have public comment? Yes, we have 10 registered. First is Vic Pollson. Mr. Olsson. That was Vic Pollson. Oh,

Pollson. Sorry. Good evening. My name is Vic Pollson. I live at 1734 Thimble Lane in Prescuit Valley. Tonight, um the commission has two basic responsibilities as I see it. as to apply the Prescat Valley zoning and land use ordinances to the project before you and at the same time to do that in the best interests of the town and the residents of Prescuit Valley. Now, you're going to hear or have heard or seen [clears throat] in print in the press a lot of noise and fear-mongering about the government tank site. You're going to hear about blasting, silica, silicosis, lung disease, broken gas lines, cracked walls, and damaged wells. None of those fears are based in fact. None of those have any evidence supporting those fears relative to this project. What you do have is over 20 years of the exact same type operation surrounded by businesses and residents that none of those fears have materialized at. That's hard evidence. We know that this is a responsible operator providing a valuable service.

Water use is another thing that will come up. Water is entirely owned deed rights by the property owner. 250 acre feet. That's roughly 80 million gallons a year. They've got plenty of water without ever touching the aquafer. What I would ask from you is that you ignore the noise. Don't listen to the unsupported fear-mongering that's going on out there. Do the job you've unselfishly volunteered to do. apply the governing ordinances based on fact and base your decision solely on what is best for the town of Prescuit Valley and its residents. Thank you very much.

Thank you, Mr. Pollson. Clerk, our next speakers, William Hathaway. Now I get to say good evening. Um I live in the Raven Ridge area, Presca Valley. What I would like to address to you, Mr. Hathaway, please state your name and address.

Yes. Uh William Max Hathaway, 10711 East High Point Drive, Prescat Valley. It's in the Raven Ridge area. What I'd like to discuss now and I think this is a very important thing is the interplay between the development agreement Mr. Lai's mentioned and the uh general plan amendment. State law requires that the development agreement is consistent with the general plan. So that means that whatever general plan amendment you recommend must accommodate what's in the development agreement. The general plan amendment application that you guys are looking at does not address in any way, shape or form the development agreement. And let me uh so what you're would be missing is anything that includes the impact of the development agreement on the future development of village pad 1A. And just think about it. You look at slide four. You got a 40 acre parcel that's within a larger area that's foreseen for low and medium density housing. You got a hollage road going right through it. You don't know if it's going to be four years, 10, 20, or 30 years that they're going to be able to harvest the hard rock there. And so, how is the interplay going to be between what is planned, which is kind of amorphous, and whatever might or might not come about in village pad 1A. Another thing um you won't be able to address until you have the development agreement is is there a period of time that the fame signature group has agreed not to ask to expand the industrial zoning. I happen to know that's under discussion for the negotiation and that

there is some disagreement over the length of the time period that the fame signature group is willing to say we're not going to ask to expand the industrial part. Um, and another matter is what, if any, conditions are being placed on the so-called donation of those parcels west of Fame Park and whether or not a condition placed on that could impede the town's municipal financing options in the future. Um, you won't know that until you see it. And this is something to do with the future imposition of a property local property tax and what impact that will have retroactively on the donation of those parcels. You need to know that. May I have just a moment? Madam Chairman,

I'm sorry, Mr. Haway. We have 10 speakers. Oh, no. I Okay. My request is that you postpone the second meeting until you get a finalized copy of the development agreement so that you can go about approaching this task in the manner in which it must be approached. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Hathaway. Patricia Bets. I have a graphic that I think will help all of you. I'm sorry, I didn't I didn't hear you.

I have a graphic that will help all of you that I can't really explain in words. It Please give it to the clerk and she can pass them out. Thank you. Clerk, please let it be known that Miss Betsel has not started her time yet. The clock is running.

Okay. Okay. So, um, Patricia Betsel, Chino Valley, um, Armmitage Way. The Fes are business people. We understand that. In 2022, Gilbert Davidson stopped the fins from mining the parcels west of Fain Park. At that time, he stated it was inconsistent with the general plan and strategic plan, etc. Despite the fins being permitted by Wright to mine those parcels without approval from the town, they stopped moving forward. Now we're in 2025 and now the fains and APN APNS are requesting a major general amendment um from residential to industrial zoning map page and a conditional use permit to mine 40 acres at Government Hank. They've complained about the 4.5 Hall Road and reminded everyone often just how much more costeffective the county parcels are. Those are the ones on the either side of Stone Ridge Drive. So, why did they locate the um government tank um location when it's so far away? And that's what this graphic is right here that shows the property in red. The 1,700 plus acres that backs up to um Stone Ridge, backs up to Prescott Country Club, backs up to the Blue Hills of Dwey Humboldt, and passes Old Black Canyon Highway, 1,700 plus acres. That doesn't include the 40 acres that they're requesting to reszone. So anyway, the fins took a page out of Prescott Valley's handbook on how to expand. Why did PB put Mingus West all the way out on the 89A and then extend all the utilities out there? It was because they had a vision for the future

and that was to expand town limits all the way out to the foot of Ma Mangus Mountain and it's in the general plan. You can see it. So they own all this land. So basically, if they're successful in a bid to override the general plan, now there's nothing to say that they won't be successful. They come back and ask for the 1,700 acres. That's only two parcels. One of the parcels is over,300. So basically um they will um basically have the opportunity to mine from the government tank all the way to the existing processing plant, which they don't want to move. but it'll cost them millions. And that basically when people look over their back walls in Stone Ridge and Prescott Country Club and Dewey Humboldt, they will have a mine in their backyard and they will have a large moonscape. Typically, mining leases are about 50 years. The one going on right now is 47. At the neighborhood meeting, they said they don't have an end in sight because there's still cement and aggregate for construction. So basically and the development agreement as Max stated they won't even look at it until the

Miss Betszel wrap it up. Oh until the resoning and 30 days for referendum on the 40 acres is over. And then they said they would consider it and I quote that's neighborhood meeting number two and if their family agrees to because their family is also on that trust. Thank you, Miss Betsel.

El Baron Shimon. [clears throat]

Good evening again. The property being used now in the El Baron Shimon 7699 East Bravo Lane, Prescott Valley, Arizona 86314. Ma'am, this this process I've been to all of the meetings. There is unlimited factual information provided. The difficulty that I see is that government tank requires really more output from the operators involved, but it will not be I actually called the town and said, "How are we going to move these big trucks up and down Stone Ridge Drive, make the rightand turn onto 69?" But all of this pales for me in comparison to the amount of work and preparation and study that has been done to move this project forward. I I know you're going to give it close examination, but those of us who have seen the meetings, read the information, and live there. I've lived in Stone Ridge since 2009. There are no clouds of dust. There are no concussions. There are no explosions. I would I would like all of those things to enter into your decision. and the reclamation agreement is the first thing that APNS filed because that's how it's done. I thank you for your consideration.

Thank you, Miss Clerk. Our next speaker, please, Chris Russo. Good evening, Madame Chair and the rest of the commissioners. I was a little confused and that's my problem on the the uh uh the comments that I was going to make. So, if you if you don't think these are appropriate, just stop me. It's perfectly appropriate, and we're glad to see you back at the night.

Well, thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. Uh this does have to do with the vote. Uh and uh I want to thank Commissioner Colossimo for his commitment to the town of Prescott Valley, recusing himself from voting on the this amendment to me as the act of a principled man and full recognition of his duty to the town and its residents. After reading uh after a full reading that I did uh of the Arizona Revised Statutes 38503 and all subsequent related statutes referring to the town officer's requirements for rec recusal which appar so vague you can drive a truck through. I have determined that if a suit was brought against Mr. Colossimo, which would uh which has been suggested by representatives of a local uh political action committee. He could stand to lose everything he's worked his whole life for, his business, his license, uh the means for um supporting his family, his among of course his livelihood. PVCA and its members show the same indifference to him as they show the good people of Victoria States when their members say on social media, "Then let it be stone ridge." Uh, when told that there are two choices and only two choices for APNS heavy rock harvesting required to produce the asphalt we all need. PBC PVCA and its members have said the commissioner Colossum is not qualified to be on this commission which I feel is false since he has spent more time and effort learning the facts of the project plus and minus than all of them together plus uh plus most are not residents of Prescuit Valley or not living with any distance that might be affected by either gravel pit location. any resident of this town has the absolute right to run for or be appointed to any position that is available. PBCA stated that Mr. Colossimo isn't qualified to occupy this position because he's not an expert on planning and zoning. And I have to say,

how many of us have seen have uh how many of us seen the expert class destroy this country and are sick of it? I know I am. Anything can be learned by anyone willing to learn it. So congratulations to Joe for his appointment and always taking the high road and God bless you and God bless this God bless Prescuit Valley. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Russo Andrea Sansson.

Good evening and thank you for hearing me. I'm Andrea Sansone. live in Pongghorn Ranch. So, my background is in emergency services.

Miss Andrea, thank you. My background is in emergency services and a few things um that have come across the board here um raised questions for me in the past and more recently concerning the ingress and egress and could these concussions from blasting over time affect any of the bridge structure or the support ground or anything like that? That's something that was of concern. So then I started thinking a little bit more about it and I asked um on a public forum online of the mayor and he did not answer me when I asked why don't we do a beta test amount of explosive close in far away seismic equipment air quality samples this kind of thing. He has not gotten back to me as of yet. However, a couple of his supporters um answered me and said, and from what I heard this evening, they're using um standards and things that are data that didn't get measured here. And I feel that it would be very beneficial to do a beta test with all of those things because that could quell the concerns of a lot of the public that's concerned about it and maybe open the eyes of some others that think that nothing is affecting people. There might be people on the spectrum who live there that one blast might affect them a lot. Don't know that. I know that's hearsay at this point. However, so I would just ask that they do something of that nature um to to prove that it's not a problem because these national figures and um

data didn't happen here. They don't have the same windshift patterns. They don't have the same ingress and egress situations and they also don't have the aquafer situ excuse me aquafer situation. How how might that be affected? If those implode, the voids can't be changed. That's it. Thank you, Miss Andrea.

I know that the operator, Mr. Thompson, is here in the audience with us. And Andrea, I'm sure that Mr. Thompson will address some of your concerns. Not this evening, but I know that he will. Okay. So, thank you, my friend. [clears throat] Tim Fujit.

Uh, I'm watching that clock. Okay. Don't start it yet. Let me get Can you hear me? Perfect. Yes. Thank you. Um I'm here to actually revisit the recusal the recusal process. Your name and address, please. Tim Fugat. I live in Prescat Valley, Stone Ridge.

I'm here to even though Mr. Colossimo took the high road and recused, I'm here to make an argument that it should have been an abstension. Perhaps you will consider this in the future. Um, PVCA's premise is conflict of interest under title 38. There are four elements of it. Um, Joe advocated for government tank reszoning during his application to PNZ. That's true. By objective analysis, it was the better site. B. Joe and participated in the government tank statement and intent petition. That is also true. C PVC PVCA sites ARS 38503 which apparently implies a conflict of interest which they define as pecuniary. Well, they quoted section A without realizing it's completely irrelevant and applies only to contracts, sales, purchases, or services to the public agency in which he is an officer. According to them, he shall refrain from voting upon or otherwise participating in any manner is also irrelevant because Joe has never had a substantial interest of any kind by participating in those activities. This shows poor attention to detail on their part. They cite only subsection 10 in AR ARS 38502 which refers to remote interest as something that doesn't apply to him but they completely ignored section 11 which would be more apppropo. Um, their letter of recusal is poorly constructed and statutoily incomplete.

While they may call it a technicality, it is emblematic of court cases that packs have lost during recent recently here in Yalapai County and for procedural mistakes. The biggie case is the voice of surprise versus Hall in the Arizona in front of the Arizona State Supreme Court for essentially the same reason. So the procedural errors in this letter of recusal and these court cases kind of get attached to these folks. Uh the situ the situation comes down to understanding of substantial versus remote interest. The value of his home is not relevant until it is on the market and he plans to stay there after retirement. While he has an interest in the value of his home, it cannot be considered either substantial remote interest for the purpose of dep determining the best location of the mine. His primary interest is agric public roads as much as possible using a private hall road and the gift to the west fame park if government tank is approved. You gave Miss Betts Hold an extra 30 seconds. I'll I'll claim that time if I could.

Tim, your time is up, sir. Thank you. You gave her 30 seconds. I'm sorry, Tim. Your time is up. Well, it's important actually important for all of you to hear. So, can I submit it to be scanned into the system? You are welcome to submit it. Not fair. Thank you, clerk. Our next speaker, please. [clears throat] Alice Ru Rule.

It's Alice Ry. Okay. Well, good evening. Uh, my name commissioners, my name is Alice Roelly. I live at uh in Victorian Estates, 1863 East Malbury. Okay. Well, Miss Rulie, get the microphone, please. There you go. To your mouth. There you go. Perfect. Closer. Thank you. Perfect.

Okay. It seems very loud right here. Okay. Well, um I just have three points tonight. Uh living at Victorian Estates, we were concerned that if the um mining project would be near us, which is only a third of a mile, we would be greatly affected by noise, vibrations from the uh dynamiting, even though that's only a few times a year. dust and profession pro potential health risks. The dust particullet can increase heart conditions, lung issues such as COPD and making it difficult to breathe. Also, the dust particles will affect our outdoor space, furniture, and plants. It will lead to a constant battle with cleanliness. in North Phoenix. My husband and I live there less than a mile from a gravel pit. Okay. We experienced noise pollution from the dynamiting. It was so loud that it just vibrated our uh we lived in a condo. It just vibrated and we we really felt it. We moved here to be near family and enjoy peace and quiet. Quering will affect property values, although I heard tonight that it didn't at Stone Ridge. So, this is just some research that I found. It said if you live within a mile, uh, n 13 to 19% could decrease your home

value and properties up to 3 miles could expect a 6 to 10% decrease in value. Now, I understand that didn't happen here. So, in summary, Victorian residents want this location uh for the mining to be at the government tank site to preserve our quality of life, health, and keep our properties values since we are 55 and above. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Rulie. Julio Vina.

Hi, good evening chairperson, uh, vice chairperson and commissioners. My name is Julio Vignia. Would you get closer to the mic, please? Thank you, Julio.

Good evening to all. My name is Julio Vignia. I am a resident of Victorian Estates. I am the VP of the Homeowners Association. Uh, I live in 1932 North Regent. Um, again in Prescott Valley, my take on this is um I've been here a little over a year and listening to all the things that are going on that people are talking about whether it's online or or on the news or whatever. Um, no one ever mentions Victorian Estates until tonight, right? Um, somebody made a point about Mr. Colossimo haven't had meetings in uh Victorian estates. He never has.

He has never set foot in Victorian estates. Anyways, um our community is comprised of 178 single family residents. It's an over 55 community with 92% of uh the residents over 55 years old, some as old as 101. Um, our nearest home to site one, the current site that we have uh for the gravel pit is a little less than a third of a mile. If we go through as we support um the government tank site, that will increase to almost three miles distance from the nearest home in Victorian Estates and Government Tank. Um, we haven't experienced or I have not heard any complaints from anyone in Victorian states about illnesses from silica, um, from dust other than what comes off of 69. Um, so I have asthma. I don't have any issues here. It was a lot worse in Virginia where I came from. Uh so a lot of this stuff is uh scare tactics that people are putting out. So I'd appreciate it if if you all would take that into consideration that that they're scared tactics. Everything they're saying about this. Um the other thing that I had concerns about when we started talking about the government tank was the heavy equipment that was going to be traveling on on 69 either coming out from Chino Valley, Dwey or wherever. Um and there was uh our mind was set at ease with the proposed road that they have that the fans have from site one to government

tank a private road u and you heard Mr. Thompson speak about um the weight that that roads uh can withstand. So that was kind of a relief on my mind. Um the other thing that um new to this area um I don't understand and perhaps you can enlighten me as to [bell] why we're considering input. Julio, thank you. Okay. I was going to say from Country Club or Dwey, but thank you.

There's no further com registered um public speakers. Madam Chair, thank you clerk. I will now close the public public hearing. Commissioners, I'll bring it back to you for any other questions to Mr. Norlock or Mr. Lai.

Yes. Thank you, Commissioner Graci. For Mr. Norlock or Mr. Lai? Mr. Li. Uh again, hearing this information, I wanted to confirm the operations that are done just on the east side of Feain Park. Will those be the same operations that are mirrored at this government pit site?

Madam Chair, um Commissioner, not exactly. So on the existing site that's east of the park, large operation um crushing, extracting, processing, a much more um impactful processing than we will have. We will have extracting and crushing over at the government tank borrow pit, but the level of processing will not happen at the new site or at the government tank site. Understood. So blasting and crushing is not done at the current site. I will have to look to Pete. I think [laughter] I don't want to get too much into the existing operation.

At our current operation, we do do crushing. We excavate a lot of material. We do do crushing. We have blasted on one occasion in the 20 years. We produce concrete. We produce asphalt at the location as well. We have a wash plant. We have a lime plant to put lime into the AB. At the new site, it will strictly be excavation and crushing and loading and hauling unless blasting becomes necessary. Thank you both.

Vice Chair Herb, do you have a question for Mr. Lai or Mr. Thompson or Mr. Norlock? I'm not sure who this question would go to, but a comment was made earlier about the Hall Road, so that's what it's in reference to. Um, you'd said the Hall Road was solely on pay property, I believe, is what I heard. Looking at my map, it looks like a portion of that road extends outside their property. Is that correct?

Um, Madam Chair, Commissioner, maybe we could pull the exhibit up and just double check. We are trying to pull it up as we speak. So looking at this, it's kind of hard to decipher from this, but an illustration I had had it hashed out. So where it says proposed hall road in the arrow, obviously. So we have the uh and I'll try to read this. What is this? Black old Canyon Highway. So as we traverse across that, we come across a small portion of assum county property and then we loop over to the east side of the existing excavation pit. So that portion of the road that goes east from the existing to the edge of the proposed hall road area just north of the county line right there. That section. Is that my way being clear? That section is that on pain property? I'm gonna look back at the I'm I'm getting ahead nod. Yes,

it is. Okay. It either is or will be. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.

Thank you, Vice Chair. Any other questions, Commissioner? Well, this was great discussion on agenda item 7A. Thank you, Mr. Lai. Thank you, Mr. Thompson, Mr. Norlock and to all of the public that attended. We certainly did appreciate your comments and concerns. So, thank you for being with us this evening. Agenda item 8, action items. I already closed it. 8A, election of officers. Pursuant to town code 13-13-010 C, the commission shall elect its own chair and vice chair from its membership. Elections for chair and vice chair shall occur at the November commission meeting in oddnumbered calendar years. A chair or vice chair may not consecutively serve more than two fullyear terms. I'm sorry, more than one full two-year term. A member may serve as chair or vice chair for more than one two-year term so long as the terms are not consecutive. A member who serves an abbreviated term as chair or vice chair as a result of a vacancy may be elected to a two full-year term at the conclusion of the abbreviated term. Clerk, I'd like to show the record that Commissioner Colossimo has joined us for this agenda item, please. So, our action item is to um make a motion for a chair for the commission. Do we have any uh a motion for a chair? Madame Chair, I would like to make a motion for uh Commissioner Herb for

chair position. Thank you. Do we have a second? I'll second. Thank you, Commissioner Graci. Clerk, will you please call the vote? Commissioner Hwat, yes. Commissioner Graci, yes. Commissioner Colos Colossimo, yes. Vice Chair Herb, yes. Commissioner King, yes. Chairperson Griffith, yes. Congratulations, Chair Herb.

Um, next we need to elect a vice chair for our membership. Would anybody like to make a motion for a vice chair? Madame Chair, I would like to please make a motion for vice chair. I would like to elect Commissioner Joe Huat for the vice chair position. Thank you, Commissioner King. Do we have a second? I second. Thank you, Chair Herb. Clerk, will you please call the vote? Chairperson Griffith, yes. Vice Chairperson Herb, yes. Chairperson King or I'm sorry, Commissioner King.

Yes. Commissioner Colassimo, yes. Commissioner Graci, yes. Commissioner Huat, yes. If there's no further Congratulations, Vice Chair. Yes. There's no further business. We're adjourned. Thank you.