Preservation Commission - Regular Meeting

Thursday, September 25, 2025
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Government Body
Preservation Commission
Meeting Type
Preservation Commission
Location
Prescott, AZ
Meeting Date
September 25, 2025

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66 sections (from 250 segments)

4:31 – 5:140

Good morning. My name is Don Michaelman and I want to welcome you to the September 25th, 2025 public hearing of the City of Prescuit Planning Commission. If you could check your phones and make sure they're either turned off or on silent, would appreciate it. Would like to welcome Mayor Good and Councilman Gambboji to the meeting here. Uh would like to have the commission members introduce themselves and we'll start off on my left with Jim. Uh good morning, Jim Kleski. Good morning, Susan Graeme.

5:11 – 5:220

Good morning. I'm Tom Hutcherson. Good morning, Tom Riley. Good morning, James Whiting. Good morning, Tom Davis.

5:22 – 6:190

This is an open public hearing and is being videotaped by the city. The proceedings are being televised by representatives of the public media, the public, local cable, and or radio stations, and may also be rebroadcast. The number of commission members present is seven. It will require a majority vote of those present to pass a motion. Members of the public when called upon are required to state their name and address for the record so we may know who is speaking and be able to contact them at a later date if necessary. On that first item on the agenda is the minutes from the August 28th, 2025 PNZ commission meeting. Are there any corrections to the minutes? If no correction, is there a motion concerning the minutes?

6:16 – 7:000

Mr. Chairman, Tom Riley, I move to approve the planning and zoning commission meeting minutes from August 28th, 2025. We have a motion to approve. Is there a second? Susan Gra. We have a motion to approve and seconded. Any further discussions? Alex, if you want to call the role for the vote, please. Thank you. Commissioner Hutchinson. I'm going to abstain because I wasn't here. Commissioner Whitting, I will abstain because I was not here. Commissioner Graham, approve. Commissioner Kleski, approve. Commissioner Davis, approve. Vice Chair Riley,

7:00 – 7:130

approve. Chair Michael, approve. The motion passes.

7:07 – 7:580

First item on the agenda is PLN25-00002, a preliminary plot of Laferty Ranch, a 4unit subdivision and track for future apartments on an approximate 15.3 acre partial generally located on the north side of State Route 69 across from Costco. zoning RE2 rural estate 2acre and MFN Multifamily medium density location APN103-20-008C and D property owner 3910-5 LLC applicant Kelly Wise Engineering Jacob you're up

7:55 – 9:530

all right good morning chair vice chair and commissioners Jacob Lun community planner for the city of Prescuit. Uh today I'll be presenting PLN25-00002, a preliminary plat for the Laferty Ranch uh located at 3910 East State Route 69. Uh a little overview of the parcel. Uh this is a preliminary plat for a 4unit residential subdivision with a tract included on approximately 15.3 acre parcel. Here we have the zoning map for the two parcels. Uh the one to the north is zoned RE2 acre and the one to the south is going to be where his apartments go in the future. That is zone multif family medium density. This is an additional aerial imagery map showing both parcels. And then this was the preliminary plot submitted by the applicant showing how the lot is going to be split into the four residential parcels. Um each lot's going to be a minimum of 2 acres in size per the RE2 acre zoning. Um as you can see by the preliminary plat there are three lots that are proposing a restrictive building envelope. The only one that the restricted building envelope is required on Oops, is lot number two. Uh, this isn't working. There we go. Right here. And that is due to the lot having slopes greater than 20%. Um, additionally, access to this subdivision is going to be through the southern parcel through the tract A located here. They do have an ingress

9:51 – 11:500

egress easement where they will be provided access to their subdivision. Uh we did have them pro provide a slope analysis for us for lot two to show the effective building envelope for uh the slopes on lot number two. As you can see by the table, a big majority of lot number two is covered in green which is slopes that are anywhere from 0 to 20%. And then you have the blue coloring which is anything from 20 to 30% in slope. And then yellow is 30 to 40. And then red is the very steep slope areas of 40 to 100%. Um, with that they did work with us to rearrange the restrictive building envelope so that they could put it more in this green area where it's 0 to 20%. That way they still meet the requirements for the hillside development standards for this lot. Um, issues for consideration. We do have items A through G on here. uh they are in conformance and meet all code requirements and preliminary plat requirements. There are two I want to touch on. Uh C is going to be that the proposed subdivision has supplied all required information and made required changes to the layout uh for the lots and easements for utilities and there's been no additional changes that have been requested at this time from staff. Um and e access to the residential lots is through uh from state route 69 through the ingress egress easement that I mentioned through tract A. The applicant has worked with our public works department and fire department in regards to the size of the easement for the ingress egress and utilities uh

11:48 – 12:330

trash and to make sure they have proper fire turnarounds. And that brings us to the motion. Staff recommends to approve PLN25-00002, the preliminary plat for the Laferdy Ranch. And that concludes my presentation. We do have the applicant here if you have any questions for them or I'm available for questions as well. Any questions for Jacob? I do. Since this is really a long culde-sac, are all the residential area of either homes or apartments going to be required to be sprinklered?

12:33 – 13:050

That is a good question. Um I believe it depends on the size of the buildings, but maybe Alex can shed more information on it there. Thank you, Alex Braramlet. So when we sent out the preliminary plot, we did have fire take a look and they didn't express any interest when they looked at the preliminary plat at this time. Whether they at the time of building permit looking at the distance requirements um from the right ofway need sprinklers or if they have enough access will be kind of accept looked at at that time.

13:06 – 13:500

Now we also had this come before us once before uh I don't know how many months ago. Could you touch on the difference between what we're looking at here and what we looked at before? Yes. I believe what you looked at before was the reszone for the southern parcel from RE2 acre to multif family medium for the 82 unit apartment complex. Um, this is separate from that since it's going to be for their personal subdivision for their family members. Um, this will just consist of the four residential units. Uh, and it'll keep the same zoning, the RE2 acre. Okay. Thank you. Any questions for Jacob?

13:49 – 14:330

Would the applicant want to make any comments? You don't have to. Anybody from the public want to make a comment? This is a very quiet organization today. Yes. And that's okay. Yeah. Is there a motion concerning this submission? Mr. Chairman, Tom, I'd like to make a motion move to recommend approval of PLN25- Z002. We have a motion for approval. Is there a second? Uh, James Whiting. Second. We have a motion and second. Further discussion? Jim.

14:30 – 15:130

Uh, Jim Klazi. I have a question. is the uh proposed um apartments track A is that to come to us in the future should that become a reality or not. I believe with the reszoning it's allowed by right. So I don't believe you'll see the apartments. Any further discussion? Alex, if you'd like to call vote, please. Commissioner Hutchinson, approve. Commissioner Whitting, approve. Commissioner Graham, approve. Commissioner Kllosski, approve. Commissioner Davis, approve. Vice Chair Riley, approve. Chair Michael,

15:13 – 15:540

approve. The motion passes. Next on the agenda is SUP25-00001, a request for special use permit for a remodel of that adds 50% or more to the value of an existing structures relative to the pre-reodel values as required by land development code section 4.9.4.8.1. Woo. Location 13 0 North Cortez Street. Owner 130 Cortez LLC. Applicant Michael Taylor Architects. Tammy.

15:52 – 16:300

Thank you and good morning chairman, members of the commission. Tammy Dit, community planner. So before you is a special use permit for um 130 North Cretest Street. Um, per our code, a special use permit is required by the land development code for any proposed building doing a remodel that adds 50% or more to the value of existing structures relative to the pre premodel values in the downtown business district. So, it only applies to the DTB um district. I like that word, by the way, premodel.

16:28 – 18:250

Um, this is located in a North Prescat National Register District. So it's only in a national registered district. It um is not in a local national district. Um so this did include a courtesy review by the Prescuit Preservation Commission before coming before you in city council. So there are uh four compatibility review four how am I talking right today? four four items that we look at for compatibility for an SV for for these applications. Um this was um reviewed and evaluated in your packet and we I'll go through them kind of as we go through the presentation. So this is the existing building. Um we did have a demo permit for the first story um because as they kind of took out the storefront so it has been boarded up. Um and then we have renderings of what they are proposing to do. Um before be so they're maintaining this the stucco on the front and on the north side. On the south side where you see the Prescuit Hotel, the Prescuit Hotel will remain and then that's will remain brick. Um and then they'll be adding a fourth story to this. So here are some pictures of what it looked like before. This is a historical building that was of a prescuit brick and over the years they stuck over the top and on the side. Um they did try to take some of the stucco off to see if they could maintain the brick but with the prescuit brick once they stucco it uh you can't take it the stucco off it'll the brick will crumble below below it. And here's another uh visual. There has been a lot of changes as you can see if you this building looks nothing like that now. Um we have a more modern looking building. So but all the rest have been pretty consistent through the

18:23 – 20:230

years of maintaining um what was originally there. So here's what's being proposed. They are maintaining um the most of the characteristics the arches over the windows at the top elevation. um they are adding the fourth story and they are integrating some of those elements into that. So with when you do remodels or additions to historic buildings, the idea is try to be compatible but not totally mimic it. So you can see the different differentiation between the old and the new. Um and then the bottom floor um they are redoing that and it's going to look more like what it did previously under historical times. They're adding the awning onto it. Um before it was pretty closed off with like one door, so they are trying to integrate some of the older historical um characteristics back to the first floor with the remodel. It will be up to 50 ft which is allowed in the downtown business district and we do allow for the four stories um within that. Okay. Oh yeah. And then um the second and third stories will be residential uses. The first story will be a retail or other commercial use and they will be um adding a elevator into the building too. Here's the south elevation to show the building. The fourth story will be set back on on the sides and in the front which is um meeting the national criteria when you do these type of additions on the fourth story. The idea from the street view is it's not as visible. So it maintains that street view, the historical street view that you've had, but we they do allow for the fourth story. And we did include the information that we did re receive from Shipo. We did send this to Shipo to um

20:20 – 22:170

for an evaluation because it is in the national district and that criteria and the review from Shipo is also in your packet. On the back here, they are adding a deck from the second story through the back. it'll go to the back rear property line which is allowed in downtown business district. We have zero setbacks so that would be allowed and it's still allowed for the residential uses to have an area to congregate outside. Then here's another view of the north elevation where they'll be maintaining the brick. Um, and then you see the that second elevation here. It's also an egress out for the second and third story and the fourth. We come out in a way to get down into the street level. Then here's a rear view. Um, maintaining the brick that's on the back and then having the staircases down. Um, and then the this could be also used as um, egress for an emergency as they come down the stairs to get away from the building. Um they will be maintaining some of the parking in the back. The staircase here does uh take away at least one one or two spaces, but they do have uh parking that um for resident the residential uses there. So here's a rendering of what it could look like. They're proposing it to look like. Like I said, they're maintaining the arches, the historical characteristics, the stucco on the on the front and the side. And then on this side here, they'll they are going to still have the Prescuit Hotel, the ghost sign there to maintain that. Um, they're adding the awnings, which is very characteristic of a lot of the remodels going on in downtown and of that era. And then the the street front down below is they're adding to make it look more like what it did back originally.

22:18 – 23:330

And here's another rendering of it. Then here's looking from a top view looking down. Um we do have another building. This building is also a fourstory. It does hide most of the equipment. Um the elevator and any additional equipment will be um screened by the building the fourth story on this building which meets our criteria for downtown business. Like I said it is set back to street view it's not as visible which meets the shipo criteria. Then here's another rendering from a street view. So the prescuit preservation commission did review this at their September 12th 2025 meeting. Um even though it's not located in a local preservation district, it is required at least to have a courtesy review. They did vote for it three to two to recommend approval um with the crit the suggestion condition that the applicant shall submit exterior building materials for review and approval by the historic preservation specialist prior to building permit approval. And that concludes my presentation. and I'm free to answer any questions and the applicant is also here.

23:31 – 24:130

Thank you, Tammy. Questions for Tammy? Yeah, I have I have a question for Tammy. Tammy, um the simple question is, is there sufficient parking? I don't I don't know how many people are going to be in that second and third floor. Um they do they'll be able to have about six parking spaces there. Um, I believe it was four residential units on the second and third and then um a new the new residents on the fourth story. In downtown business, we don't require parking for uh retail or commercial uses. We do for residential and they're providing what they can for the building.

24:11 – 24:540

So, you think there is sufficient parking? There is parking at least added. Tom Tom buildings that were built are they're historical buildings. Um they do have exceptions for parking. So this is a pre-existing use. It has been used historically as apartments because of that pre-existing use. they are there are waiverss in the code to that as long as they provide some parking what they can that um it's allowed. So we have a grandfather type situation here then. Correct. We did they did fi provide information to show that these have been used as apartments previously.

24:54 – 25:340

Uh um sorry Mr. Chairman Tom Davis. Um I had the exact same question so that's been answered. Um, but I have a question of the designer architect appropriate. Um, just a curiosity, it has very little to do with the decision-m on this particular proposal, but I was wondering why uh you didn't um uh consider adding or or replacing the decks in front. the historic building has decks in front of those um metal windows that must have been doorways at one time.

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I might have to defer to the applicant to address why they didn't add those back on. And before we get to that, a couple of things. One, the rear the west elevation, is that going that's the rear elevation. Is that going to be stuckcoed or is it going to be brick? It's going to remain brick. Okay. At some point in the future with the western exposure, they may want to go back and stuck all that. They'd have to come back and do that. Get another permit for that. Tammy, it's not going to be brick. Oh, okay. Sorry about that. I It looks like brick to me though. So, if it's stuckco now with Yeah, I was I was going to say it's stuckco now. Okay. Sorry about that. Yeah. Okay. It's stuck. It's stuckco remains stuckco.

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I wanted to get that clarified. Good. As well as it needs to be too because of the western exposure. And also I wanted to point out that the south elevation that you have the elevation markers are off by one story. Yes. Just so that you know that it's it was just a drafting mistake. Thank you. Further questions for Tammy. Would the applicant like to speak? If I if I can help with questions. Sure. There may be some questions. Good morning everyone. My name is Colin Loved Doll. with Michael Taylor Architects and I'm here to represent the client. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

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Tom, did you have a question? Yes, I had that question. I heard it. Uh there's decks in front of the old building, the original building. Uh there's no decks now in the front of the building.

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The original plan um had the they would have been a cast iron small balcony right off of there with doors. Um we had the clients did consider that. We had a couple problems. One of them is the softness of that brick out front and how much compression might happen. But at the end of the day, it came down to we were nervous about building that out over the sidewalk walk area. You'll notice in the historic photos, not the ones you have, but later on in the 40s and 50s, they removed those balconies. Um our our guess is that they became unsafe and we were not comfortable with recommending doing those balconies. uh again just because we didn't know if structurally we could properly address that and it's over the actual walking area down below. So we had some other concerns as well with doing that. Aesthetically we would we think it would be a great idea but from a safety standpoint we weren't comfortable with it. [Music]

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Are there questions for the applicant? No. Thank you sir. Yep. Is there anyone from the public would like to make a comment? I'm uh Sandy Hansen. Oh, sorry. Need to come up front. I never come to these things and I'm not here for this reason.

28:23 – 29:070

Hi, my name is Sandy Hansen. I've lived here for about 30 years. Um I'm just I don't really have a question, but why is it we always allow this uh parking issue to continue to be just overlooked? because there's obviously not enough parking for the people who are going to live there. So, and then I'm also curious why we always uh keep going the fourth floor. It's been three floors forever. So, they're just my comments as you, you know, make your decisions whether to approve or not. Thank you.

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Thank you, ma'am. Anyone else? If not, do I hear a motion? Mr. Chairman, Tom, I move to recommend approval of SUP25-00001 with the recommendation recommended condition that the applicant so submit exterior building materials for review and approval by the historic preservation specialist prior to building permit approval. We have a motion. Is there a second to the motion?

29:35 – 30:110

Susan Graham. I'll second. We have a motion and second. Any further discussion? If no further discussion, would Alex substitute like to call the role. Commissioner Davis, approve. Commissioner Whiting, approve. Commissioner Graham, approve. Commissioner Kazookuski, approve. Commissioner Hutcherson, approve. Vice Chair Riley approve. Chair Michaelman approve.

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Passes. Next on the agenda is REZ25-00001 and GPA25-00001 a request for reszoning from MFM multifamily medium density with manufactured homes floating district to BR business regional on a total of 2.722 acres a resoning from RO reg residential office to BR R on 0.55 acres APN13-08-024B and a minor general plan amendment from mediumigh density residential to commercial for all listed parcels. The overall project area is 3.282 282 acres with owners seeking to bring legal non-conforming commercial lots into compliance with the city zoning code and the their associated general plan land use group designation location APNS113-007-8913-8-313-8-32 1113-8-003113-8-66113-8-6713-8-24B [Music] 1113-7-8713-7-88 and 113-8-34 and 034A and I want a raise.

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Great job. Okay.

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Thank you, chairman, members of the commission. Tammy Dwight, community planner. Um, so before you is a reszoning um area is a total of 3.282 acres and consists of 11 parcels. The current zoning is multifamily medium with the manufactured home o overlay and a residential office. Uh proposed zoning is BRB business regional. The majority of the property has been used by West Yavapai guidance clinic as a mental health and behavioral health treatment facilities since 1966. And the other parcels are single family residential use with no plans for any new uses on those prop parcels. Here's a zoning exhibit for the area being reszoned. So it consists of um this area all highlighted all these parcels here and it does not include these areas here. And this is to kind of highlight the area map where it's located. And this is a zoning map to show the different zonings um on the different parcels in the imagery area. It's already all developed. There's no proposed changes. The three parcels that are used as residential uses will remain. Um they were included. Um the applicant reached out to them to see if they wanted to be included in the requests so that we didn't have uh individual parcels that were surrounded by commercial. So we sometimes staff ask people if they wanted when you have these type of situations to ask the neighbors if they want to be involved in the resoning to make it cleaner. And we don't have one parcel here, multifamily, two down here. Um, surrounded by commercial. We also have industrial to the southwest too. So, um, this makes sense to from a zoning standpoint to be commercial.

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Um this also includes a maj a general plan amendment um to go from the um a high density resident medium high density residential to commercial to be in compliance with the 2015 general plan map. So we do have uh three lots. Um these two houses they're on separate lots but they're next or to each other. And then we have this is the third residential lot. Like I said there there's no proposed changes to the use of these and and residential is allowed in the uh BR zoning district. And then we have the existing West Yavapai guidance clinic buildings from what there are no proposed changes to the buildings at this time or to the use that that we're aware of. Um, city staff from various departments have reviewed the conceptual project and found that it appears to meet the city code requirements since there's no changes and it's already existing. Um, issues for consideration for resonings. Um, these are things that we look at the compatibility to the area, adjacent zonings, the suitability of the uses um, and such. These are already existing uses. There's no proposed changes. Um they already have a a replap map to combine all the parcels. It was a revision approved by city council. So they're in the process of combining the the parcels for the um west for dignity health and then the other parcels remain separate. So all the infrastructure is already there. The buildings are already permitted and there's no changes to any of that at this time. The minor general plan minor general I can't talk today. minor general plan map amendment. The 2015 general plan designated this area for mediumigh residential density, which is 8 to 32 dwelling units per acre. This application requires a minor general plan map amendment to commercial to allow for the proposed zoning being

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requested to bring the legal non-conforming uses in compliance. We did contact all the property owners within 300 ft of all the parcels. Um, we did post the property. There was six postings put around on the surrounding properties and we did notice in the local paper. We have not received any public comment at this time for this request. And that concludes my presentation. I'm free to answer any questions and we have representatives here to help answer any questions that you may have. Okay. Thank you, Tammy. Any questions for Tammy?

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Mr. Mr. Chairman, I have a question. Um Tom Davis, uh Tammy, um is the general plan amend I'm just presuming that this is the case that the general plan amendment although consistent with the 2015 general plan is also consistent with the proposed general plan. There is no proposed general plan. Well, there is no there is no proposed general plan map amendment to compare it to for it would have been with the one that was being reviewed though. Tom.

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Yeah, I just want to make clear on this. Um, as I understand it, the sole purpose for doing this is to clean up um a zoning mess that basically exists in that that particular area. There's so many different kinds of zoning there. We're not looking at any use changes. We're just looking at putting in something that's more appropriate for the uses that are there. And that's the only reason for doing this right now. Correct. to bring the legal non-conforming uses into compliance with current zonings. Cool. Other questions? So, picking up on Tom's comment, is this something the city wants to do?

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This was brought forward by the applicants. So, I'd like to hear the applicants. Any other questions for Tam? I got a couple. How did this get approved? The buildings get approved originally if we're doing this to clean things up.

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They were built in the 60s and there was limited zoning and there we have different code requirements now. So, as we see these type of projects come forward for remodels or additions, we've been in the process of cleaning up all these these legal non-conforming issues. So with a lot of we've been doing a lot of replats and revision of plats and stuff to clean up these lot line issues throughout the city. Okay. If we didn't do anything, they would still exist and still operate the way they are doing right now. Is that correct? Correct.

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Okay. Would the applicant like to make a presentation and answer maybe some questions?

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Sure. Good morning. I'm Tamara Player, the president and CEO for West Javapai Guidance Clinic, doing business as Pola Health. We have been serving this community since 1966 and in in this particular location since uh 1989. In general, our organization provides um mental health substance use services to members of our community living in Yavapai County and we serve just over 9,000 people uh annually helping them to thrive in our community and contribute back to our community. Um, we have made some pretty significant investments in uh, Prescuit over the last few years due to the amazing vision of our board of directors who all live uh, in Yavapai County um, and have families here. We um, decided to upgrade this facility um, that's currently located at 642 Damron and we bought a property over on Gail Gardener and another one on Sandredo. And so our goal is to be able to move um those to the new facilities and to um sell this property so we can continue to invest in our community. So the the reasonzoning allows us to um keep the non the the way it's been used um as we move forward um with our vision for our community and continuing to reinvest.

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Does that answer your question? Questions for the applicant? Tom. Yeah. Let me try to paraphrase what you just said. Sure.

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Um the motive for doing this is essentially to um allow you the flexibility to move or to sell it or to um further optimize your business. to to and to be able to ensure that the property continues to um be used for our community and it's not left empty. Right? We know when we leave properties empty, things happen that we don't we do not want as members who live in this community. So, we want to be able to continue to support that whole area by having somebody uh who wants to invest in um bringing something great to that part of the neighborhood. other question. Thank you.

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You're welcome. Do you have any Did you want to talk? The reason I'm hesitating, ma'am. Sure. Is it sounds like basically you want to get the zoning changed to sell the property? Do you have a particular buyer in mind? So, let me just pause for a second, introduce. This is Steven Pulk for the um um members that don't know him. and he is my board chair. I'm sure he's in front of you often actually. Uh he is not our legal representat uh representation. He is here as our board chair. Steven has reserved parking space out there.

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Did you want to address? Yeah. Uh thank you commissioners. My name is Steven Pulk. I am the chairman of Pola Health. So I'm serve as a volunteer on the board and this is of course as a nonprofit organization. Uh we serve exclusively within Yavapai County uh primarily within the Quad City area here, you know. So our facilities are uh the Damarron facility here. Uh we purchased a Gilgardner facility. There's one in Sandredo that we purchased and are opening up uh which is way on the final licensing on that. We operate the crisis stabilization unit uh which is where any law enforcement they can divert instead of taking them to you know someone who's having a mental health uh uh issue they can be diverted from criminal uh you know putting them in jail take them to the crisis stabilization unit. We operate that 24/7 uh that's on Highway 69 out in Prescuit Valley there. Uh uh we got some other facilities inatient uh psychiatric facility as well. Uh so that's you know and and we're serving exclusively Yavapai County. Our reimbursement is uh over 70% from Medicaid and access. So we're serving uh you know Yavapai County citizens typically lowincome and kind of our most v vulnerable population. Uh we're a nonprofit. We don't make any money. It's it's we believe it's our mission to to help, you know, butress and support and take care of of uh folks with substance use problems, mental health, uh uh and uh just whole person care. Okay. So, that's what we do. We're not trying to make any money, right? We're nonprofit. Uh our this Damron facility, which we've operated since 1989, is uh uh it came in it's always been operated with substance use treatment uh licensed by the state of Arizona. We are not we don't do any we're not sober living. We don't operate any sober living. This is professionally licensed

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by the Arizona Department of Health. Uh uh and it's um um joint accreditation meaning there's uh there's independent auditors essentially that come in and audit us and make sure that we're providing the highest level of of health care. Uh so this uh the Damron Street we've operated that's substance use residential and also there's a psychiatric treatment wing and some other outpatient facilities there. Our plan is to move that you know about half of those services to the Gail Gardener building which is a newer nicer building and to move half of those services to uh the Sandreto facility which again newer nicer it'll be a much higher quality experience for our patients. Uh, and then this Stamron facility, we're gonna sell. We've got it listed for sale already. We've got some interested buyers. Uh, you know, Raymond Zog represents us as the realtor. And so, uh, one thing he came in and looked at and said is, "Look, you guys have grandfathered zoning. You, you're not going to be able to sell this without correcting the zoning to what it is, which is that business general use." Uh, you know, the all those buildings are already there. the interested uh potentially interested purchasers are all look at it for essentially the same use which is licensed uh you know licensed treatment facility substance use residential uh uh or related medical services um there buildings are established I don't think economically there's a a real way to try to expand beyond the existing number of of beds in that facility and and so I think one concern you might have or question would is is there a fear of a change in use or a fear of an expansion of of uh services? And and I'd say those buildings are there and established and the people that are looking at it would

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use it similarly to how we're using it today. Um and then and I'll just close with this. You know, the decision to sell this property is a is a board decision. So that's me and my fellow board members and and uh over here I have two board members. Dr. David Pharaoh, a longtime doctor for the VA here in town, and also uh Brian Fuller, serves on the board, who actually has uh gone through and and uh uh long long story, but he's he's a patient at Pola Health and and completely believes in our mission. Um, so what we'd say is we believe in this. You know, we're a partner for the whole community and we need that partnership from the city in terms of trusting us to use our facilities to provide the highest quality healthcare. And so part of that is we've got it listed for sale, but we we're only going to sell it to the right buyer and who we believe in, what they would use it for. Uh um and so I think part of it is it'll be used for a similar purpose and I think you've seen it's 1989 we've been doing this. There's been no public comment you've received or concerns really. Although I I understand uh council folks may have been receiving some some concerns about but mostly I think that's messaging and not understanding that how it's currently being used and that it'll be used similarly in the future and that this zoning is just a required fix to sell it. and we've had an interested buyer come in uh who great medical provider plans on use it for the similar purpose, but a requirement of that purchase offer is you have to fix the zoning first. And so, frankly, you know, that's why we're here today is we need this help to get it the zoning refixed uh so we can continue to provide the highest level of of uh behavioral health services within Yavapai County to our Yavapai County citizens. And I'm available for any questions.

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Thank you, sir. Um, I think the organization does a fantastic job and I think it's something that's needed by the community and so forth on it and I understand what your plans are. Historically, when we are asked to do a resoning for a different type of thing, we know what's going to go in there. We don't reszone on the fly for a property owner. So my question without saying who is looking at it or what it is, but are we looking at another medical usage of the property for the buyer then?

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Uh the current offer that we have which the board has not voted on to accept or decline. Uh the most attractive one is a current medical provider with this who's planning on doing a similar use. Okay. Thank you. Questions for the applicant? Yeah, Don Tom Hutcherson here. Um, could you elaborate a little bit on the reticence of your best potential buyer? Why why do they want the zoning changed?

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I think uh, you know, same reason anyone wants their zoning correct to match their property. Grandfathered zoning is problematic and it's scary. It, you know, it comes with those concerns of if you have to pause or cease operations for 6 months, have you now permanently lost all value of your property? You can no longer restart. Uh, and so I I think again, Raymond Zogab, our realtor, came in before we even listed and said, "You have to fix the zoning. No one will want to buy it." And then sure enough, right, first offer comes in, even for a matching medical use, and says this is purchase is contingent upon you fixing the zoning to what it needs to be. Other questions?

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Tom, it's more of a comment or anything. I don't have a direct question for you, Mr. Pulk. Um, it seems to me that I've looked at the the business R zoning. We change it to business R, then any of the uses in in BR zoning would be allowed on this property. Maybe the next user is going to be medically oriented, which is great, but someplace down the road, you know, there may be other uses that are in there. And looking at the business regional uses that are allowed in the zoning code, there isn't a single one of them in there that I wouldn't want to see in a property like this. I looked at that. I mean, you're not going to have uh the uses that are allowed in BR zoning are compatible with the area and with the neighborhood and with the uses that are there now. So from a longterm view, I don't have a problem with moving this to business BR zoning uh simply because I think it's an appropriate zone for that particular area given the uses that are allowed in that particular zone. So I'm all in favor of moving forward with this.

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Any other comments or questions? U Mr. Chairman, may I add also that um I like the idea the property um needs to be, you know, um improved. Uh and um this new zoning will give you flexibility to allow that to happen. And so that's that's why one of the reasons why I like the property also because of Mr. Riley's exact same comments, you know, um that uh there are uses there that can be complimentary to the neighborhood and improve the property. Thank you.

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Okay. Any other questions or comments? If not, we we do have one more uh speaker request for this item. David Foh.

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My name is David Furro. I'm uh retired from the VA hospital. I was uh chief of mental health there for um a number of years. Soon after that, I joined the board of Polar Health because we've had a long-standing relationship with Polar Health to help our veterans. And um I was very proud of all of the things that Polar has added to the community and this uh sale of this property allows us to continue to invest in our community which is Yavapai County. Um, I have been very proud to be a part of the board now because I've seen the new facilities, the new services that have been added, the cooperation with the county in the jail, uh, to provide services for persons in the jail and persons leaving the jail, persons being diverted from the justice system. These are all good uses. Uh we need to have the flexibility to be able to turn this facility that we have right now into another investment. That's what we're looking for. The ability to continue to invest. I live in this community. All of the board members do. All of our children do. Our you know, so we're concerned about the community. We're not going to be releasing this to another uh detrimental um occupant. We're we're looking to provide flexibility so that if you know this one offer that we have right now doesn't go through or they don't develop the funding or whatever, we would be able to utilize it for a number of different

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uses as Mr. Riley has pointed out. All of which I think are present in that area at the at this time and would enhance the neighborhood. Thank you. That's all I've got. Any questions? Thank you. Um I have one one follow-on question for Tammy. Thank you, sir. Yes, Tammy. When you look into your crystal ball, do you see any downside on this? Yeah, Tammy, we're not putting you on the spot or anything. No, no, no. We really want you to tell us what you think.

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So, if you look at the surrounding zoning from a a planning standpoint, we do have, you know, we have BG to the north here. This is all business regional. We have BG to the south. We have industrial in this area. And this is a commercial use of the property. and to maintain the commercial use and to clean up the zoning so it continued to be used appropriately for the property does make sense from a zoning and planning standpoint.

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So So no downside that you see from a from a planning standpoint. I do not see Come on, Tom. You really can't ask me that question. What's going on? Is there anyone else in the public who would like to speak? She still Hi ma'am. Before you start, um you we have a form back there what you would fill out to This is my first time here. So I know I'm just letting you know for future uses. Okay. Appreciate it. Thank you.

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So I live in this neighborhood. I walk by this property every day. I've been there for 20 years and I'm planning to live to be 92. So I'm going to be walking that property. Is that exactly 92, not 92 and a half? 92

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and still driving. So um this property concerns me a great deal. These signs haven't been up for very long. This property is tucked away on Brennan Street. Nobody goes down there. I don't know why my neighbors aren't here. Whereas Mr. Ruby, he lives in this neighborhood. So I don't have a problem with Polair Health or West Yavapai guidance and I appreciate everything that they uh try to do for all the you know people who are really wounded and um if you give this property commercial and change it right now because they want to sell it and they sell it to somebody that wants to do what they're doing for a while and now you've given them commercial and they can turn that to anything. Now I live very close to Bman's Paint, Jim's Alignment, West Yavapai Guidance, Pola Health. I love my home. I love my neighborhood. And I cannot move. It would be financial suicide for me to sell my house and move out of that neighborhood. I think we have problems with the commercial that we already have down there. Noise, parking, lights, whatever's going on on that corner property is probably apartments. I

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didn't pay attention. And that property that's being resone uh built right now on Ruth and Hillside, I'm not happy probably what's going to go in there. And if the future owners of this new commercial property decide to do something else, that one house is smack right in between what's being built and what will happen. So your question, if we do nothing, they can still go on the way they are. My question is, can the new owner that's working with them get their own conditional use permit from you all so that you don't have to change the zoning? Now, there's apartments all along that street. There's already way too much light coming out of West Yavapai Guidance Pola Health. Those people can't even close have to leave their curtains closed every night. So, what happens when the new people come in and want to pretty it up and get more light? I'm just hoping that you will choose to leave it as it is and let the future owners come to you with the proper uh plan that they are going to present to you. Not just uh well, we're going to sell it to someone who wants to do what we do. I'm going to be here when I'm 92. Thank you.

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Thank you, ma'am. Any further discussion? Any further from the public? Okay. If no further discussion, um I believe we need to take this as two separate motions, right, Tammy? Correct. Okay. Is there Mr. Chairman? Tom. Action one. Move to recommend approval of GPA25-00001. We have a motion. Is there a second? Tom Davis seconds.

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Motion and second. Any further discussion? Jacob, we call the role. Commissioner Davis here. I I'll approve. Commissioner Whiting all the time. Approve. Commissioner Graham, approve. Commissioner Kleski, approve. Commissioner Hutcherson, I approve. Vice Chair Riley, approve. Chair Michael, approve. Passes. Now we have a action two. Action number two. Move to recommend approval of REZ25- Z001.

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We have a motion. Is there a second? Tom Davis seconds. Motion and a second. Any further discussion? Jacob. Commissioner Davis, approve. Commissioner Whiting, approve. Commissioner Graham, approve. Commissioner Klazooski, approve. Commissioner Hutcherson, approve. Vice Chair Riley, approve. Chair Michael,

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before I vote, I need to make a comment. As I mentioned before, when we make a change in zoning, we like to know what's going to go in there because it's part of the information we need. And I'm taking you on your word that you're looking at having another medical facility going in there and that they need to have the zoning cleaned up. And I understand having to have it cleaned up to sell the property, but it' been nicer to know more details on who is going to be buying the property on that. and I'm going to be putting my trust in you all that you're going to be selling it to a acceptable buyer. I will vote for this.

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Passes 70. Okay. Do we

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any updates, Tammy? No, sir. By the way, Tammy, I understand how you may have had some challenges on making presentations in front of us, but we're just average everyday people, okay? So, just just keep that. No, we're not. We're commissioners. You should feel nervous as hell. I'll blame it on my cat waking me up at 4:00 this morning. So, okay. Meeting adjourned.

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