Board of County Commissioners - Regular Meeting

Okay.

I'd like to call the recess meeting back to order for budget workshop. Perfect. Good morning.

How are you all doing?

You're better than you are after this.

I'm on the board on this thing, so bear with me all day. Hey, I'll just be right up front. Lauren and Sesha have worked through some of the, like, the 3%. I don't even know all the details. I've been kind of I was telling the session, my Monday was from 3.30 a.m. to 9.30 p.m. And I was just right over here at Cunningham, and I couldn't get on because the public input session was they're losing their daycare on September 1st. And so that was a one-hour, you know, trying to, I mean, I told them, I said, that's what small communities are all about, you know, trying to figure out how to make things work.

Well, they put that in. to try to draw families into the city.

There was a lady there. She's pretty knowledgeable. She gets grants for that. But I sent them to Prairie to Prairie. Prairie to Prairie decided to take on that they were going to have a city use grants and they got a daycare because they lost theirs. And so there's models out there, but it gets pretty passionate when you start getting into that conversation. I think what I'll do, well, I was just looking at one thing here. I didn't write this on your sheet on the very first page. I was looking again at the increase in assessed value. So if you look at that column I and the bottom number there, 9,163,000. So what I was looking at was if you take 9,163, because that's what you're getting because of the increase in assessed value, You move three decimal points left. Now, I took it times the current mill levy. Sixty four point seven to three, which is above and I'll show you this in a minute, but is above that generates about five hundred and ninety three thousand. And if you divide it by one mil, that gets you to three point one one mils. OK. And what that's what that tells me, I was looking at this on another one. That's really kind of the difference. That 3.11 mils is the difference between R&R and where you're at. Okay. It's pretty close. And so we'll see this in another sheet. I'll go back here. So that kind of gives you a big picture of what the assessed value did. I think we talked about that maybe last year or last, I'm sorry, last time I was here. So then if you go to, I was looking at general fund on line 16, because that's one thing we've been trying to track. uh you're only you're over by 163 720 do you see that over the six months so that's a good thing that's a positive you know after and this is after the three percent i think she went back and correct it took a little bit to get this sheet updated because of all the changes she made but i uh that one there now if you look the next two down those are a little rougher uh you know the road and bridge and the uh employee benefits But anyway, and then the next two, like if you go to that second year on 26, where we're at right now, general fund takes a little bit of a nosedive. But some of that is, we'll look at it here when we get to that. I don't know that it just gives you kind of a picture of where you're at. And then I was looking at the bottom. I don't think there's really any changes on the bottom. on all these counties I've been working on, on column D is one I kind of look at, is column D on the very bottom, you took in 19-8 and you spent 19-5. So that's a good thing because you took in more than what you, over the average, over the last seven years. I just got a call on the way down here from a county I worked on two years ago, Jackson County, which is right north of Topeka. And he was We had kind of an interesting situation back two years ago, but because they thought they were spending too much money, it was my fault. I'm not sure, but we've got it worked out. It's my fault that we spent too much money. But anyway, because of our transfer. But what's interesting about that is the clerk now is saying we're out of money. And what they did last year is they took their mill levy, which was, I don't remember how many mills, but I told them for free, I'll just look at your 26 budget and your 27 budget and tell you what I think. But they went back to R&R after a pretty i mean they probably went three or four meals back and that sounded like they're spending more than what you know than what they they were and i said yeah i'll just look at it but but this is this is all over the state of camp i mean uh brown i was on with brown county i just called yesterday he called because you know i think we'll have to raise in our four and a half mills to you know well if you went nine last year Like, you know, they only went four and a half, you know, they dropped it at the hearing. So it's not just you. I hate to say this, but you all are probably in some of the better shape of any, just because of the way you set up your capital improvement and your equipment reserve. You know, like even if we, when we get into the weeds here, even if you have a little bit of a difference here, you have some room. You have some room. You have some backing.

And that's been my concern. I'm not trying to interrupt you. Yes, no. You know, we talked about using the interest off the savings. I don't like that because, what, $300,000 or whatever. We're going to have to make that up next year. When R&R first come out, all the schools I went to, Told us to never take the lower mill levy. Yeah. Because if we have a devaluation again next year or next year, like we had last two years, you know, that's a huge tax increase without us doing anything on the people.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely. I don't know if we leave the mills the same or try to get it down a little bit. and be over R&R just a little bit. Yeah. I think that sets us, and this is my opinion, that sets us better down the road.

Yeah.

Because who knows what Northern National will do next year? They might move all their equipment out of here.

Well, and the other thing you don't know, and we were talking about this yesterday at Sumner. No, Sumner was Monday. We were talking about it somewhere on the phone, I guess. Oh, that's what he asked me. I think it's Brown County. What happens, he says, with the law next year when we get probably a Republican governor and they make this decision about 3% cap and all of a sudden you cut the R&R this year. and you lost some funding yeah lost some funding and then all of a sudden you have a three percent cap when you've been you like this year that's a fairly good size increase and you have a three percent cap what do you do what do you do i mean because you've used up your cash and i said yeah i i just over the i just that stay in that sand that road you know staying steady and going up just enough to to cover your COLA and whatever you're planning on doing. I mean, you can have these things like Doug had where he has the 14,000 every time the semi pulls into the yard. I mean, that's up to 48, whatever that number is.

If we don't use, and I'm not mean to interrupt, but if we don't use the interest, we could use that and then we could help him build that cash up.

Yeah, absolutely. And you don't have to put the interest. That's one thing that, you know, in different counties and cities, they don't always put it on the general fund. You know, they'll like if they have a if they have a situation that they want to help another fund a little bit, they'll allocate that interest from instead of let's just say it's five hundred thousand in the general. Maybe they'll put one hundred thousand over here in another fund instead of raising the mill levy. They'll use that one hundred thousand to fund that. But again, it's back to that whole thing of using a one-time revenue source to fund an ongoing expenditure.

I don't like that. That's a bad thing. And I know that this is what this is going to show, right? She concluded that.

I did ask. The interest was used. Well, it's in there to fund.

It's in there. The more I thought about it,

Like I said, you and Lorne are going to hate me.

The interest rates are going to be anyhow.

You don't, though. No, you don't.

And that 3% next year, that was talked this year. You have no idea what they might try to pull next year.

Yes, absolutely. And even the interest rate, like, you know, you have to remember on yours, it was 4.25 that we locked in there. And now you're sitting at maybe 3.5. I don't know. I haven't looked. I didn't look. It's going to go down. It's going to go down probably a little bit. That's because that new chairman and the new, you know, just the way they're looking at it. So let's just go through here and then you can ask any questions. On page two, what Lauren did then is after we had, and I ought to say there is no way I would ever have all this done except for Lauren and Darby and Amanda. Amanda and Darby are newer to that, but Lauren's training them and they are cranking. And when you have somebody that you can tell them one time how to do something, and they do it right the next time, that makes a lot of difference. So we, again, if I don't say something right, Sesha, here, you please speak up because Right now, it's everybody's wanting to meet at the same time. Okay, so on page two, what she did then is from the last time we met, she went in and made the changes that like my notes, what I do when I come back from one of these meetings, I go through and write more stuff when I get back to the office. And then I scan it into Lauren and she goes through based on my stuff and whatever this county clerk has. So if there's something wrong or just ask, okay, but what these are, are like, differences that we just changed all through the different lines so these bold numbers will now be bold numbers again uh in the in the budget and i think the question mainly is over on page 2a uh and we've asked it so many times i i think she just asked him again it's that energy pilot project i don't do we ever figure out what that is no no i think at some point it was probably statutory that story yeah okay it's no longer there okay We are still waiting on number two there. We are still waiting on insurance information to see if that increase, if it increases, should we build something in for the property insurance? I don't know what she's talking.

I believe that she is speaking of property insurance. And I haven't heard back from Willie yet, but Rick and I dug into it and it is staying flat.

Okay. Because we took the courthouse out and upped our deductible to keep it. Okay.

Well, the courthouse is in there still. It should have been higher deductible, but we bought it back down.

Yeah, we bought it back down.

So we're staying flat this year. So I would, I mean.

Shouldn't be a problem then. Yeah.

Yeah, because I went back and I found the minutes and then found like what they billed us for. And it does look like we're staying flat. So I think it would, I mean, I don't know if you guys, it's of course up to you guys, but if you're comfortable leaving that as is, those insurance lines. Yeah. for the property insurance.

Let's just go back to the property insurance. So example would be, let's just say it does go up a little bit. That's why that interest and some of those others that are just sitting there as a, you know, you're getting them, you've increased them a bunch. It just kind of helps cover some of these things that we may not know exactly. If the insurance goes up 3%, then we've got money. We've got money to cover.

You talked about that relief fund. Is that what you called it?

Risk management fund. Risk management fund. I don't know. Some people, I think budgets are pretty tight and they don't really have a lot of extra money and they don't want to raise the, you know, so that the risk, the transfer is you have to come from somewhere, but.

We're trying to guess what next year.

Yeah. For health insurance. Yeah.

Or for property insurance too, because it runs from January to December. Right. We don't get billed until the middle of the year.

but we don't know what's going to happen in a year. They come in at the end of the year and let us know.

Yeah. So there could be an increase there unless we adjust it like we did this year to keep it flat. So it's hard to say.

We don't have a crystal ball, do we?

No.

I'm going to just, if it's okay with you, I'm going to just mark out energy pilot project. Is that okay? Or do you want to leave it there?

I'm in.

We ask every year. I've done it for five years now and we I don't think there's been any activity. Or is that something to do? Is it something to do with like your.

I think it was probably money received. This is just a guess. That probably had restrictions on how it was spent.

Yeah. Okay. I'll just leave it there. No problem. Didn't bother me.

It's back in the day when the state used to give us tax money.

Yeah. When they distribute money to you.

I don't want to interrupt anywhere, but I'd like to go back to. I'm still confused on this employee benefit stuff. So if you go receipts, employee contributions, 26, 412, 2027, 140. What page are you on? Page two. Page two, okay. Oh, I see what you're saying, yeah. I want to make sure I understand how this is working.

Okay.

And I don't understand. Okay.

So we had talked about it last week. Oh, you mean like on the way that, okay, can you explain what you explained to me on the phone Monday?

Yep. yep so the 400 like if you i went back to the audits starting from 2022 forward that 400 is a pretty inflated number and not what we've normally had um so let's stop there how i mean why were we if it was inflated why was it inflated like why were we reporting it like that so

Go on. The reimbursements.

Yeah. So everything was being put, reimbursements, anything that was revenue coming in outside of ad valorem tax was being reseeded in under miscellaneous. Yeah. Under miscellaneous reseeding. So we were getting health premiums reimbursed from Catherine, a CK, and we were getting health premiums reimbursed from Tara, which was formerly RSVP. And, um, there was an overpayment, um, to FICA and the sum of like close to like $60,000 when, and then when they saw that that was an overpayment 24, 20, when they sent us a check back and 25, it got receded in. It got receded in.

So we're comfortable with this. This one 40 number is an accurate number. Yeah.

I am comfortable with that. I, I went through, um, And look, and what happened last year too, and that's why I have an email out to Barney, is how they want that expressed in our budget. Because really the only thing that is going to be going in there is Catherine's reimbursement.

So there's two ways to do that reimbursement. We talked about this, okay? So it's under the budget credit law. So budget credits can be shown at gross, and that's what was happening. Yep. gross, and then you just then you just show the total expenditures, whether it's health insurance, whatever down below. Or you could take that reimbursement and go to the line item of health insurance and make it what's called a negative receipt. And but I don't I told I don't like that as well. I like the gross. Do whatever you want to do.

I like the gross.

I'll tell you one other thing, and I didn't think about this until after I got off the phone with Sesha. So I took over the budget in 23, I think. I think the first budget, because this is my fifth year, 22, there was a lot of, there was some cleanup there, and I don't mean this bad, but what Varney would do is they would put a lot in miscellaneous. Every fund had Like the general fund, I think the first year I took it over, the windmill, 1.5 was in the miscellaneous. I go, what's 1.5 million doing in miscellaneous? So I think we got that pretty well cleaned up. And Sasha did a great job of going back.

I pulled Mark out of it and communications out of it and gave them their own.

A lot of it just got thrown into miscellaneous.

Yeah. So I think this 140 is a pretty good number based on.

So 140 is the amount of reimbursement we got from SCK last year. So I felt that's what I told you.

That's the only one we have now. Okay. No, it's a problem. See, that's a perfect example of where if you overestimate the receipt side and it keeps going and you need to be checking, probably need to be checking a little closer and you'd put in like it has a 400,000 or 350, what it was, and it's not there and you're building your budget below on a 350 number or 400 number and not a 140 number, that's a problem. Good question.

I feel like that is a safe number for revenue coming in. I do have that out because he said to ask Barney how they want that expressed. Do they want us reimbursing it? Because the reason that it showed 39 in the audit is because instead of putting it in that miscellaneous line item, that one, one 40, even though it is revenue, I mean, it is revenue no matter where it is, but in the audit, it, she reimbursed it back to the health premium line because it is a reimbursement. So we're trying to find out the best way, whether, you know, he's, I don't care.

I don't care either way, but I liked the gross method.

Cause then, you know, why will this change with raises the employee health benefit, the employee Yes.

So if you look further down on page two, where Tyson was, you see where she has payments to pay for her payments to increase 3% for COLA raises. I did put that in the email that we should be accountable.

But I mean, Catherine, this is her, we're getting reimbursed. She just did a dollar.

No, because it's only, she's only reimbursing us for health insurance.

Okay. Yeah. And I didn't, I didn't. I'm following. At the very top, there's an asterisk. Lauren made up the very top of page two, went through every single salary line item and added the 3% to each one. And then in employee benefits, like Sasha just brought up, each of these lines have that 3% built into the employee benefits.

Sorry.

No, no, no. Any question, I'm going to be honest. That's why I told you up front, there are so many numbers floating around in my head right now. And I want everybody to question any number on here because we don't want to,

uh mess something up okay while we are on employee benefits i just want to bring attention to um there was about an eight thousand dollar buffer in the freedom claims transfer um i did go ahead and tell her to bump that up a little bit because i felt like that was pretty pretty small because we renew mid-year in 27 so if we if our rates go up which they most assuredly will then we only have $8,000 to play with for seven months. And that felt a little tight to me. So I did bump that up to 15,000. So if you guys would like to bump that back down to the eight where it was or do what you feel like you're comfortable with there.

You sent out the May one, you saved almost $11,000, $12,000. Look at the yearlies. Pretty impressive. Yeah. Does that add to that $8,000? As the year goes on.

So what happens is they tell me, hey, this is what we expect it to cost. I make that transfer out of our employee benefit transfer to Freedom Claims line item. I let Amy know. She physically makes a transfer from our People's Bank over to our FCMI trust. And then whatever is left in there stays there. So if we create this buffer of 15, this is actually going to stay in the employee benefit, which I think is also a good thing because we need some buffer there.

Yeah, we need some buffer, but I didn't know how much we had in it since we've been in it.

So this will stay separate. This will actually stay in the employee benefit fund as where the other money that's being this extra $15,000, that will stay in there unless we need it. and if they say hey we need to transfer more money over to fund it like you guys wanted to fund it then i'll make another transfer over to cover that but um i haven't had to do that yet because we're creating savings so um i think more than eight thousand so it would be a good well and just overall the fund in general needs a little bit of wiggle room um so yeah yeah just because it's cutting it to me i felt awfully close I don't know. What are your thoughts on that?

No, I'm, I'm, I'm all prep. That's great.

Okay.

Yeah. I really, I mean, I'm going to be bragging on the session a little bit. I really appreciate the one thing that she does do is goes back and digs into things. And, you know, when you go clear back to 22 and try to figure out and what she explained, just hear it to you and explain to me on the phone, that makes all kinds of sense. So, okay.

I want to make sure I'm not leading anyone astray. Yeah.

Okay. And I'm, the budget hearing and time and date that that'll be set here in the next, you know, you'll, you guys are very good about doing that. So I'm not worried about that. You go to page three, this is the cover sheet. I wanted to show you, uh, based on after all the 3% COLAs have been dropped in, all the budgets are worked. Uh, you can see in column P, um, The general fund went down a little bit, and we'll see why. I think it's just the mill levy went down a little bit, probably because it's not so much relying on the interest income, but we upped the sales tax a little bit because it was probably a little too conservative. So we have sales tax that's helping with that. We do have the interest, and we'll see that. We can look at that. And then these others, you can see, look on line 19, look at the increase in employee benefits to make it work. And the rest of those, I think like road and bridge, some of those are probably just to kind of get them balanced. So at the bottom of that column P, we're using of that bigger number up front there, we're using about 392,000 of that or 1.1 mil. You can see there, we're at 65.825 last year on column K. and we're at 64.723 on column O. So down at the bottom, what I did is I took the difference between revenue neutral, 64 is what we're based on right now, and revenue neutral is at 62.655. So if you take 2.068 times the one mil, 190, you're setting at 394, the difference between revenue neutral and where we're at right now. that's what we'd be looking to cut absent any changes other changes right interest is to get to revenue neutral yeah yeah yeah and just make sure but that does include the increase in health insurance and i think everything everything that that uh session lauren have talked about three percent uh health insurance all those things those changes that we noted up there we just talked about they would all they would all be in there and i did give her props i told her that this was extremely helpful showing these changes this list of changes this is is really helpful you can see kind of what's yes and you and you you may not lake back up to where it needed to be yeah yeah you may go home and sit in your lazy boy and look at it and say oh no this isn't right you know i mean you may see something later but but if you do just talk to session and laura and i'll get it get it changed so our revenue neutral rate was 62. Yeah. This year.

Dropped from 65 to 62. Yeah. And we're at 64 now.

Right.

Yep. So basically that 392,000 is basically the interest that we put in there.

Well, some of it, some of the sales tax, some of it's, we'll look at each one of these and we can kind of see, I think on each fund, but that just gives you a pretty good picture of where you're at. And if you look at two years ago, you know, you were at 63.854. And the reason, like you said earlier, the reason you went up to 65.825 because the valuation went down again. So your mill levy is going to go up. I think the big thing here is to look at the total tax dollars. So if you start at the first column in E, you were at $11,940,000. Okay. Then not so much, don't worry about the mill levy. And then you went to the middle column, you stayed revenue neutral. So see, you're right. Revenue neutral means that you'll stay at the same, basically the same tax dollars as the year before. And then you go to column M and that's why you're above revenue neutral by that 392,850. Okay. And that's where- I mean, pretty much all that can be explained though. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you just take, if you just took, uh, the sheriff's department and the, um, road and bridge and just did fuel. I mean, just fuel. Yeah. It would be really interesting. I bet that number is probably if it's 48, I did. I can't remember. Does, does the sheriff buy from the road and bridge or did they get their own?

Okay.

So it's a separate number. So if you did that, I'll bet, I'll bet it'd be a hundred, probably a hundred thousand. Yeah. So just that alone, just the fuel price.

I mean, that is easily explainable. It also makes it really hard for you guys to figure out where to cut if you're going to try to cut back.

Oh, exactly. Yeah, absolutely. Cut about all we can cut. I mean, we're down to either services or employees.

See, that's what happened. The guy that called me, he's been a commissioner there at Jackson for quite a while. he said right now they've went through, and I don't have these numbers exact, but he cut, they cut five employees out of road and bridge. They cut a couple out. They, they ended up cutting probably a total of 11 employees to get what they think their balanced budget. Cause they were revenue neutral last year. So see if, if, if this was the same case right here and they, and you went back to revenue neutral again, this year, that three 94 will be in, would be an ongoing. And so you get further down the road and that this inflation or whatever keeps going, that's why people get in trouble is because when they stay at revenue neutral, if it's 394 this year, maybe next year it's another 394. The next year it's another 394. And before you know it, those are serious dollars, 1.2, 1.5 million.

The schools always said, don't take that because you can get yourself into trouble. If we have devaluation in a couple of years, like we had the last couple of years, boy, that's a huge tax increase. That mill levy jumped without us doing it.

Yeah, absolutely. If we went to total, go back to page 27. I haven't done this calculation. If we go back to page 27, this is the publication. And I'm looking at the very first column of expenditures from 25. So if I took, and I'm just going to do this very quickly, rough. but I took 19,833,562 times 0.03, 3%, just a flat 3%. That's 595,000 just for a 3% on last year's expenditures. And we're talking about 394. So we're not even covering the 3% of total expenditure from last year. Now, some of those expenditures might be, you'd have to go through and kind of if they're a capital expenditure, but that's just going to happen every year. You know, you're like, you're going to buy, you're going to buy, you're going to buy a dump truck. You're going to, you know, you're going to get a sandpit, you know, I mean, just those different things that like that, just look at that alone, that 370,000 for the sandpit. If you were just looking at this, this front number here, that's 394, just that one expenditure used up the 394. I mean, it sounds like it might be down the road a little ways, but I'm just using that as an example.

It is.

Yeah. Okay. These next few pages, we'll just kind of, I just put the whole budget in here, but we'll just jump through. I don't think I had any notes. I remind myself again on page seven that $505,000 paid off there on the series 2021. So see, that's a pretty good size. That's a help. I couldn't remember. And I didn't look back at the notebook. We don't have any lease purchases. No, none. Okay. I couldn't remember that. Okay. So here's, if you look on page nine, I just circled a couple here. The sales tax, I think, was sitting at $1 million. we moved it to 1.1 so right there alone that's one mil okay so 200 000 because you 100 000 each year uh so when you ask the question about what reduced the mill levy that could be one you know 212 000 on that sheet i showed you on page three uh that was 212 000 reduction in mill levy you could say okay well sales tax it and it's probably kind of even that's another That's another $171,000 plus $171,000 because you're probably going to get the same sales tax. So there's $340,000 right there that we're not anticipating in this budget. Okay. You go down to interest. It was $187,000. I think $500,000. I can't remember what the number was off the top of my head that she gives for six months, but we were. We're pretty conservative at $500,000, weren't we?

For the interest? Yes.

Yeah. I can look it up in my other sheet here. I'll look in a minute. And then we dropped it back to $400,000 in 27 because I think the rates are probably going to go down. Now, one thing that you've got going for you is you've not spent real big numbers out of your equipment reserve and your capital improvement. So you have that. as you have those reserves and they keep building, it's, it's going to kind of offset, you know, here's the interest rate going down, but when you're balanced there, you're going to have a little bit more there to invest. I think we're on a pretty good track now. And I think Amy's got a, I talked to her a little bit. I think she's got a pretty good feel for that. Page 10. If you look at the look at the general fund, I circled the cash ending after all the expenditures in the general fund and how to look at that it's a little bit hold your finger in 10 and look at the top of nine if you look at the very top line 25 26 27 you can kind of see where the cash is setting And we're at 1.6, but that's pretty common in the 27 column or the budget column that it's lower than those three top numbers across the top. It's just, you know, because not everybody's going to spend their budget. You know, even though you give them a certain budget, they're just not going to spend it. So we try to come back. And then what you have to add to that. If $340,000 comes in in sales tax for both 26 and 27, there's another $340,000 added to that. So now you're setting at $2 million. So I think we're in pretty good shape there. Paige, you can look through some of these. I think the bold numbers are ones that got changed, whether it's a 3%. If you look at page 11, you look at the sheriff there, see all the numbers except for the salaries were taken back to the previous year or 26. And so I think all these are stuck in there. If you see something, it's really easy to change it. I mean, if you're looking at this again tonight and you're a lazy boy and you say, well, we should change it, just let us know. What I told the other county, now you're on the second meeting here. This is draft number two. I'm just doing my first draft at Comanche tomorrow. So they haven't even been through the first draft. But when you're in the second draft, you're in a pretty good place here because any changes you make now are really easy to make. If you go in and say, well, we want to change this or that, it's really very easy to change. I don't really have anything on there. Debt service on 14. Just to remind you here, you know, that that has been paid off in 25. So we're going to transfer at the end of 26 about $9,200 there in that middle column down there back to the general fund. So that fund will be closed out. You go to 15. This one here is probably a little tight. but I'm not too worried about it on the cash, actually 16, go to 16, because I'm not worried about it because if you look at the salaries, the second line down, we spent 1.472 million and we have budgeted in the middle column 1.8. So we're talking almost about 400,000 there and then another 400,000 there. So that's where the- that's where he gets his patch uh but you know i i don't know i i he doesn't have us currently advertising for anyone yeah what i've noticed is i think you were kind of the first ones where i started seeing this where the baby boomers you know that whole thing of you know being seven or eight that you don't have and then then they started looking at so maybe we don't need to replace those seven or eight now do you want to cut serve that's a that's an area where You know, people get kind of upset about roads, but Brown County this year did no chip and seal. And that is pretty amazing. I think that might have an impact down the road.

We were down to like five miles. We used to do like the whole buyer's blacktop years ago. And we cut it and cut it and cut it and cut it.

But that zero showing there on page 16. I think the other line items, I might have a little bit into it. The other one I was looking at here, I didn't know for sure on, it kind of depends from your idea. If you look at culvert and bridges, It was $84,000 in 25, $84,141. And then it was $30,000 in the middle column, which may change. And you're sitting at $700,000. So see there, you could drop that $700,000 back to, let's just say you drop back to $200,000. There's $500,000 that's sitting in cash. You see what I'm saying? So I'm not sure that we're too bad a shape here unless something big comes up.

That we haven't planned for. Yeah. I don't know. If we went to $700,000 because of that bridge, they're getting ready.

Oh, it might be. Yeah.

But I mean, we get reimbursed. Yeah. And I'll end up turning to cash. Turning to cash, too. But we have to give him the authority to submit it.

Yeah. And another good thing, if you look at 25's column, he was able to make a transfer to Special Road Machiners for $400,000. You know, so it's not like he's short of cash. Okay, I'll keep moving here and then you guys can just ask anything you want. Okay, 17 county appraiser cash is at zero. When they're at zero now, you have to remember, when they're at zero now, none of the funds have capital outlay. See what happened in the past is we might be at zero, but we might've had $10,000 sitting there with capital outlay. Now it's not that we don't have that $10,000, but it's in another place. And the way the statute, you remember the way the statute set up is if you did get in trouble, you can bring it back from that fund to help fund operations. So that's just something we're going to have to kind of look at there and see. But his levy, because of the assessed value, if you look up here in the second line down, $272,167 for ad valorem tax, $278.98. And then we are funding two at the bottom of column 27 there. We're funding 288. So we've got about a $18,000 increase just to get to zero. And I'm looking here. Yeah, 17, 8%. Yeah, 17, 847. And yeah, most of that is just.

Why if we're going to have to increase the salaries more as we found out. DJ is going to retire.

Yeah. Yeah. Are you are you the big thing there? What I've seen in those funds is if you have do like where they work together for four months or six months, would you have that or would he just retire and a new one would be hired?

He would help. We didn't talk about.

Yeah. Mm hmm.

So we'd have to advertise. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it's a lot of moving parts on this. I mean, if we hire one from we're going to. That person steps into his shoes. We have to fill that role. Yeah.

So that's where it gets a little more. I knew you did. But if we hire outside an experienced guy with experience, it's going to be. I knew it would change his salary. Yeah. It just depends on which way we go. Right.

Anyway, you're aware of that. So I think you're in good shape. Bottom 17, election. Election looks like it's in good shape. And 28, I've been, I think about every clerk I've talked to, the 28 years is kind of the questionable year about what equipment, what software, all the things that an election is going to require.

They, I think, what did they say, quadrupled our costs for next year for our voter registration system that's required. But no, I think I'm feeling okay.

I think you're going to have a beautiful bottom of school and DNA. Yeah.

Okay, page 18, to go back to what Tyson was saying, and help me here, Sesha, because I'm not sure that middle number is right. So, if you look at employee contributions up there, it's the bottom line.

And it's 39, which we talked about. That's what the auditor, I think that's what the auditor showed. Isn't that right?

Yes.

That middle column for 12. Is that right?

It's going to have to drop. Current year estimate for 26.

I don't think that's right.

No.

That's a problem.

Yes.

Because what's going to happen is if that number goes to 140, let's just say it's 140. That's a, that's a, That's a big difference. 412 to 140. So what that's going to do is flow all the way through to the mill level.

You have that much less cash. Well, you have no cash.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. So that'll be, let me just get the right number here. Minus 140. So we're setting with a, we'll set it with a deficit of 272. Okay. And divided by 272,000 and divide that by 190,595. So that's 1.42 mils. And if we changed, remember what I said, 3% was of last year's expenditures was five, five, what was it? 595, I think is what it was. So we've got 272, two, three plus the increase on page three was 392. 850 that is 664 850 because of that one line let me just i just want to see real quick what that is of last year's expenditures what increase that is so that is 392 850 plus 272 Okay.

So, six, six, four, eight, 15.

So that went to, instead of 3% flat, it's 3.4% increase based on last year. That 664,850 would be 3.4% increase on last year's expenditures, basically.

Roughly, what is that going to add in mills to?

It would add 1.42. Whatever. 0.42 mils the reason that probably didn't get changed we just you were we were doing that on the fly here on monday and tuesday yeah you had been digging late it was late at night working on that okay so so that

Looks like it did get corrected for 27.

Yeah, it got correct for 27. I think we just probably were concentrating on 27 and didn't think. The middle column is really something you might want to look through one more time, even just to see where budget to actual is on every fund. You know what I'm saying? Because we're setting at 50% right now. And if we've got a fund that's at 65%, we might want to put on the brakes. we're setting at 40% then we're you know probably going to be okay but just that just seeing where you're at because that's a good example right there yeah because you need to look you need to look at also there not only the expenditure side but if you look at the receipt side make sure that the receipts aren't overstated just like this one is okay and I don't that shouldn't be too hard should it no no oh I have just an email at each department Tell them to look at it.

I mean, that's good for you.

You know what?

I think it might be easier for me just to get through. Yeah. They're all actually really, really good. I just. Yeah, like the one I sent you yesterday. Yeah. Okay, plus 272. So we're still short.

1.42 to get to zero.

over um or understated yeah because i'd like to know especially in this yeah i'm following i'm cracking that's probably a really good idea to do anyway just to make sure that we're on track with everything because yeah just like that she usually sends out the monthly deals yeah i'm sure she's been busy but uh

it's just that that middle column over all my years is the one that gets you because you don't know where you're at if there was something like like that right there that got put in because of a number in that 412 probably got put in because of that number well and kind of got carried like yeah well the procedures changed para no longer started reimbursing us we i mean you know it's just those things that you don't you don't see that triple that effect i mean we should be able to explain that we're substantial you know armory actually 73 000

Deficit. Yeah. For this year.

On employee health. Is that what you're asking?

Or not 73. The employee contributions is the one we're looking at. Yeah. Yeah. We've got 412 in there.

It really will be that big of a difference because the only thing. Absolutely. Yeah, the only thing, and I was probably conservatives with Catherine's because, again, I'm not trying to, you know, I like to be conservative.

Absolutely.

I don't want to get us in a pickle. So it might not be that bad, but there is still going to be a big difference there just because of Tara's not going in. And Amy, I'm assuming, has continued to do it this year is what it's looking like to me, reimbursing back to the health, premium lineup. So really that miscellaneous disperse disbursement is going to be nothing. Nope. Yeah. No money because we're putting it right. I mean, the money's there in that fund. It's just being expressed differently.

Well, yeah, it's, it's not, you're not seeing it up here, but you're the expenditures have went down.

Correct. So it's all still there. It's just, and I can see why she's reimbursing it back. Well, I'll wait to see and hear back from Barney and see how they want that done. But I do see what you're saying that you like it there because then you have that number pulled.

Yeah, you know what's happening. I'll ask if we can just see if those were all like this. This situation was buried in a line item down here.

Yeah.

Like what you just found.

Correct.

You wouldn't know that. Right. but we know it now because it was there when I looked at when I remember when I was your life, I go 39 and why we got 412.

If it was just in health premium.

If it was just buried in the line, I don't know. We'd have never noticed it.

We'd have been like, oh, why did we use so much? Oh, insurance increases. That's what we would have. Yeah.

Yep.

Okay. So I'll ask them, I'll email them back and just say, can we keep it the way we're doing it?

Yeah, absolutely. If you look on page 18 at the bottom, it's health. And I think I think hers is in pretty good shape. Another one you always have to monitor is that fee line. So she collected $512,808 there in the receipt side, and we're showing $450. I think we're okay, but that might be one that we just double check her number, you know, maybe send an email to her.

Where's that at? Sorry.

On page 18 at the bottom, health insurance, because that's a pretty big number. So $512,808, you see that?

Yeah.

Okay, as a fee. And grants and whatever. It includes a lot of stuff. But the 450 in both 26 and 27, we might just, because health departments typically are like this right now because the grants are kind of.

Grants are going up. Yeah. A lot of people are not getting in.

Yeah. Yeah. So you might, that might be, somebody might just send a quick email. I know you don't need an email.

Well, and I can look at her. Oh, yeah.

And see where she is. Yeah. When you look at that, you'll see that. Yeah. Yeah.

But I also will sign up because she's very good at tracking that.

And cash, and this one's 147.50. I didn't circle it there, but I think we're, if those numbers, that 450s are right, then we're in. And it seems like they should be. She's pretty good about tracking numbers. If I go up the top up there, that cash, unencumbered cash, starting 25 is 363. Middle is 436. And we're still sitting in the middle of 27 of 300,000. but literally it's all kind of based on that 450.

Well, and on that note, we are kind of a hub for this region. Right. And so they do have a lot of people coming in. Yeah.

Okay. And we levied the same as last year on this fund, because that's the one, if you levy less, you get state grant funding take away. So we levied the same. Page 19 is ambulance. And this is another, I didn't circle all these, but I've circled them 42 times. But if you start on the charges for services up there, you get 654-319 in his receipt side for ambulance. We're setting at 572-061 in both those columns. And I think we talked to him about that when he was in here, making sure the runs were

Well, and I'm wondering if we, cause I think that this is the one that we asked for the additional hundred to be put in or.

That was for salary. Right. But I'm not saying. Well, 65 salaries and then healthcare.

Yeah. I think just the COLA is in there, but not the additional. She said she put it in there. Yeah. The first time, but I'm wondering, remember the first time we told them to take everybody back. So I'm wondering if that one got taken back.

I don't know.

That looks like just to re protect me, not. Oh, yes, it is.

And on the bottom, salaries, this to this, took 3% COLA, then added 65% for potential assistant director.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, down at the very bottom. It's in there. It's in there.

Okay.

Okay, so he's still sitting with cash at $43,000. So I think this one's coming a long way. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Okay, noxious weed. On bottom of 19, his receipts could be a little overstated. And you look at chemical sales or reimbursement, but it's not a lot, but could be. He's got $52,000 in cash circled down there. But I don't know. The chemical sales in 25 are only $5,600, so I'm not sure. In fact, it kind of depends. I was at Sumner County on Monday. lady there she's done it for quite a while and she says scott it's just just depending on how much rain again how much you know that that spring is that spring is just really up and down so i'm not i think last summer was a very very wet wasn't it it was very wet yeah so it might not be on the screen so on the hill it looks like she's uh so far collections is at 168 543 and we're

So that might be overstated.

You might just ask her, see what's hard on that one, even though we're sending it June 30th. Yeah, the state money. She'll have a new contract starting July 1st. And so there may be more grant. There may be something different coming up.

Okay.

But no, it's good to check it because 450 is a big number.

Well, the grants are deposited into the grants.

like a separate yeah yeah yeah so they hopefully they shouldn't be counting towards this miscellaneous yeah receiving them anyway yeah yeah okay uh go to page 20. uh capital improvement I just circled the cash there and I didn't circle it but we talked about it up front there that 500 It'd be the $500,000, well, $500,000 and $5,100, the interest and principal. So that would be last year. So that'll make a difference. We left the SAM pit at just one year there at $370,000. I think you said you wanted to leave it. It may be more than that. Does that sound like, is that right?

Could be. Yeah.

How do you buy a sand pit? I mean, you just buy the land and then you start digging it?

Well, hopefully you can go in and core drill and see what's underneath it.

And then make sure there's enough sand. Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. And then property. And then you negotiate.

Yeah. Yeah. So is land, if they find out the core drills come in, good? Does the land price go up because of the sand pit? Or do they get a royalty, like I didn't know, like an oil grant? Do they get to buy the property? Okay. No.

If they're going to command a premium that's unreasonable, then we have to figure out a different way to do it.

Yeah. Okay. Okay, the bottom one, I think we, I'm not sure what happened last year, but are we going to amend it or what are we going to do? Amend the budget for the lake?

I don't think that we're at that point where we, do we, are you guys feeling like we need to amend this? We haven't had that conversation. I feel like if any big projects came through, we felt safe with the capital improvement.

Yeah, capital improvement. And the other thing I think you talked about a little bit last time I was here on page 22, special parks and rec. You could use some of that money if you had to.

Yeah.

Yeah. Perfect. Okay. And by the second year there, he's, I mean, by 27, then we're back to, and those fees, if those fees are really right up here, he really collected 163 760 on the lake is that some is that a grant there i'm assuming yep i know we decided that was the fema oh fema fema okay that's right yeah but he got in yeah okay so the 24 you feel good with the 24s i'll go back here and like when i'm doing all that the only fees we charge is for the camping and

It has been a popular place.

Some of it has disappeared.

Yeah, and some of it disappeared. Yeah.

It seems to happen a lot these days. Okay, I don't have a question there, whatever session comes up with there. If you go to page 21, this is Tara's budget. I think the, you look at general public transportation up there, I assume those are pretty well the numbers 26 and 27 that she's given us. The rest of it is, I think we flipped, if you look at the Lawrence notes up front, but we've, we had the salaries in the wrong So we flipped the salaries to personnel services under RSVP and general public transportation. So those look right now. I think those are right. And we're sitting at zero. Now, I don't know if you look at some of these, like insurance. Remind me again, insurance in 25 was not allocated. And now it is. Is that right? In Paris budget.

So what would it be in her budget would just be at the insurance person would be out of our employee benefit.

We know this this insurance here on line property. I think it is so zero. It was zero and then it went to 2525, so I assume that's the insurance you see what I'm saying. Yes, yeah, so I assume that's the insurance on the on the building on the building, the buses and things kind of high. It seems like a lot, but separately. Yeah, that's probably not too good.

It's a pretty good size.

Yeah. Well, that's all the that's all the levy funds. The only big adjustment is that one with the employee benefits. I don't see any. I mean, I don't really see any unless you when you look it over and you talk about it more. All the other funds are pretty. I think I'm pretty good shape. But that employee benefits, that's a I'm glad we caught that.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And the lake bees are at 8,824 right now, and they're getting ready to have a big weekend. So I would say they're not too far off.

Yeah, 24 shouldn't be too bad.

Yeah, they're not too far off. Especially if you have a healthy cash reserve there to get us back.

Well, let me just go through the rest of the funds in here, and then you can just talk and ask questions or whatever. So on page 22, I was just circling cash carryover. Jason down there on solid waste. I mean, he seems like he must does a fairly good job because we're setting with 747 there and we have, you know, we've got a reserve now. He's adding to it every time there's a, you know, there's tonnage that comes in and I don't, unless there's something we don't know about, That 251 that was bought, whatever that was, in 2025 there, was that a new loader? Yeah. I wondered how his equipment was out there, if his equipment was in pretty good shape. He's good for a while.

Yeah. He comes in and he gives them a heads up.

Yeah. I'll have to say I've been in a few landfills across the state. Just going down to his recycling, I went down there, I think last fall, and then the landfill, I went out there and like i told him i said i can't believe you have no dylan's bags you go buy some of those like butler we do butler audit but you go with that that's a massive one but you know everywhere in reno county oh my goodness you go down that road that back road on reno county there it is everywhere so i said man that's pretty strange 11th street or whatever yeah yeah

Yeah, he's good. I mean, we're a smaller one, but somebody's dumping, they're out there covering it.

We just try to keep it. That's awesome. 23 is the premium claim reserve. Do you feel good about that? We kind of talked about it a little bit.

Yeah, I do. It's also pretty new. This is the first year that's kind of being expressed on our budget.

You know, we talked about increasing that to 15.

With the buffer?

For the buffer, but yet we have 53. Yeah. So do we need the buffer? I don't know.

So that buffer doesn't go to the Freedom Claims Reserve.

It stays an employee benefit.

Which that one does need buffer.

Yeah.

And if our insurance goes up and I have to transfer more to, but you guys do have a healthy savings, which is good. That's why. Right. So this is the actual.

Just like the other day, I'm just a small little 10, I think I've got 14 employees counting me. I went to Medicare. Okay, I'm on Medicare now. So I'm out of it. My wife will be out of it in the next three months. Freedom Claims emails me and goes, Scott, we haven't been doing your leisure right. I go, oh, really? What's that mean? Since you left us for Medicare, we're going to charge you for it. think it was like uh 8 800 and but what happened you think about it it makes sense i have a really good plan you know it's only a 500 deductible on family and i give the family to the kids but most all but one are women so we've had how many babies you know and so when you have that that portion of the of doesn't kick in on Blue Cross and Blue Shield to, I think in ours is like 7,100 or something like that. So that goes directly into that account and they had not been giving me the right ledger. So there goes $8,800. So that, I mean, they do a, they, they do a good job, but it's just, it's, there's a lot of moving pieces. So like, for example, I don't know if I told you this last time. So when I was on it, I go in and I have, I have a couple, I just, I'm on a couple of drugs. and i think okay i only have to pay 10 bucks but the way this works with freedom claims is because i'm a i was 100 owner you know last year now i'm 90 because i have a partner that came in uh and still that's a lot when it goes over there i pay the other right so like i'm not really right i'm not really gaining anything my employees are but yeah i'm playing both i told that the walmart pharmacy does

Until you meet that 7,500, you're on your own. Just you yourself and you.

Yeah. Okay. Now you guys are contributing to it. So I'm on Medicare.

Okay. Yeah.

Anyway, 24, I didn't really see anything in the non-budget funds. I did see at Sumner, I hadn't paid attention to this, the largest registered deed tech fund I've ever seen. $229,000. She just took it over from somebody that, you know, they're pretty concerned.

Wasn't using it.

Yeah. But she had, she goes, it's all gone. She already has all, you know, stuff that just wasn't getting updated. So that one's gone. But I didn't really see, I was flipping, I checked off the balances here on each one. Road machinery, like I said, went up by $400,000, but he turned around and spent $300,000, but he's still at $1.1 million on page 25. I don't know.

He bought a grader this year, I think. I don't know.

No, yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, just the tractors. So that's a good, I mean, that's a good balance. 1.1.

Oh, that's right.

Oh, we did buy an excavator. Oh, in 26, in 26 here? Yeah. Okay. So that would, that'll go down. This is only 25. So that'll go down a little bit. Page 26, really nothing here. Landfill closure cost is at 518 now. And that's a, that seems like a good balance. So I don't know. I don't have any other things. That employee benefit fund is probably the trickiest one now. And I think we've got that now figured out. I'm glad we asked those questions. Me too. Because that's a lot of difference. 24-12. Yeah, we'd have been here too. We've been borrowing money from other funds. I'll just leave this. I'll just leave it here.

Yep. I always mean to use an extra. Yeah.

And And one thing I tell them when I bring that if they like they meet or they meet next or you meet next Monday. Yeah. So like if you look at this over, you know, and they have changes, just take notes on that and scan it to Lauren. Okay.

Yeah, I can do that.

Okay. Anything else that you want to talk about or you want to digest this and call me or I'm glad to do do whatever.

What's it going to be if we take the interest out?

You mean back it off a little bit? So it'd be just whatever the 190, 195, 95. So if you, yeah. So like, yeah. So like if you, the 190 is one mil. So let's just say you backed it, you backed it to two mils and then took the rest out. So that'd be like 190 times two. So that'd be right at 380,000. I mean, that's one thing you could do and be more conservative if you wanted to do that. But I think, I'm going to look here.

and employee benefits you said roughly 1.42 yeah 1.42 so you're adding it all right yeah yeah so you're looking at three and a half no three and a half yeah i'm looking here and that's on top of the it's on top so we're at 64.

But we'll need to adjust that for the employee benefit.

I'll get you. What I'll do is I'll have, I think Lauren, she's at her mom and dad's in Wichita, but maybe what I'll do is just this one page on page three, I'll adjust it by that. So you have the final number, that one page before Monday. Is that okay?

Were you guys wanting to take out the complete interest and not use the interest?

If we do, it's going to jack up our mill where it's over. Oh, even farther.

Or it's just going to reduce your cash because you know you got it. I look back at my notes from last time. We called Amy at that time and that would have been middle of June or when I wrote in the middle of June. It was already $400,000. My concern is

We're taking three mils, adding it to this to keep it down. We're going to have to make that up next year. Or maybe two mils. And I don't know. I don't like doing that. Remember when you got on, I think they kept the revenue neutral. And that just ate everything up.

I'd like to see it page three with employee benefits fixed.

Yeah.

That's fine. And if you guys want to do other stuff, fine. But I want to see that.

So that number on page three, you can just mark this up if you want to.

I've got it written down here. 64.723 plus 1.42. Is that what you're telling me on the mills?

Yeah. So let's talk through the number first. So what it was is 392,850 is MP down there at the bottom. Okay. So you go up to, and I don't have that number, but 475,835, 475,835 plus 2720. Okay. So that's seven, that 475,000 would be 747,835. Okay. Okay. And then we go down to the 392,850. And that increase by 272 will be 664,850. Yep. Then we go to the 64, whoops, 64.723 mill levy before that and add 62, yeah, add 1.42 and you're setting at 66, 143 66 143 yeah so then that's and that's about about five three that's about point three over last year i'm on the mill levy so i'm in the way i mean if you do nothing with the interest you're four roughly four over r and r right now yeah yeah yeah

That includes all the interest in here too.

That's what I'm saying. If you don't take interest out, that's where you're at. Yep. Take interest out.

What was our money last year?

It's a middle column there, K. You look at K there. So if you add 65,825 minus the 66,103. That's increasing costs.

Oh, yeah. That's, you know, I don't know what to tell you. It's not easy.

i wish we had something like 0.318 degrees yeah but even then yeah well that's a separate budget yeah that doesn't that doesn't affect this at all yeah you can't that's right i'm pretty hopeful for next year

Yeah. That they had to take back this last year, because that was almost like $13 million that I had. $13 million to get out of that, you think? And it says. It says. that I had to take back off this year. They had to redo it and they took back and they thought they were coming off eventually this year. So I don't know what those numbers will look like next year. So let's just take that. How much was it? Okay. So if you took $13,000

and that's the amount of the increase 13 million so each mill let's just do it at the 64 723. that kind of broke my heart to do it it's not so i always say if you don't use this approach they think it's just as easy as yeah it's not i mean so it also makes

I don't know what those numbers will be next year. I would assume. We cut everything on the property. It affected like 13 counties.

Even though it was an ink.

Their share was 13.

Yeah.

So she had a great point here. We didn't use any interstitial. In 25.

Or 26. But in 27 it's in there.

Right. But we didn't count any of it. Nope. Nope.

Because we did it in 26. No, we had him 25.

No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 26. Yes. 184. 184. She has such a great pointer.

EXPLAIN TO THEM. THE STATE CERTIFIED TO ME INCORRECTLY AND I HAD TO REDO MY ABSTRACT AND THEY PULLED $13 MILLION OF ASSESSED VALUE BACK OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING OFF. THEY THOUGHT THEY CAME OFF EXEMPTION THIS YEAR. THEY'RE COMING OFF NEXT YEAR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS WILL BE NEXT YEAR.

IT COULD BE DEFINITELY. UNLESS THEY LOBBY THE LEGISLATOR TO GIVE THEM ANOTHER TEN YEARS. YEAH.

BECAUSE THIS WILL BE THEIR TENTH YEAR. But that does so hopeful for next year.

So if it's 13 mil, we were just doing numbers. Why are you guys talking? That'd be 13,000 a mil. So that's 841, 841,000. If that. stayed true with what it had this year yeah that's amazing how how many i don't know why that didn't seem right how you have went like this you know 21 million now you're back up nine and then you're back up potentially if that happened another 13 million that doesn't seem that seems yeah okay let's see kind of wild but i i those numbers you got the numbers i'll just clean it up and i'll send you a everybody else coming off that

Well, I don't know. That was just a fluke, but I found out about that one. I'm wondering that also affected 13 counties. We were one of 13 counties that they can get that. And I don't know if she was going to.

I didn't think they needed.

I didn't. I feel like it was kind of easy. Oh, yeah. The same area as Northern Natural.

And that's part of the problem, too. They get all these.

Yeah. 10 years is a really long time to not get that kind of value.

Okay. Anything else? I mean, you can look at your increase, but you're, you know, you're you've got a lot of good things going for you here. You know, just like even getting that, I kind of wish now that I would have had that conversation with Amy two or three years ago, you know. But it is what it is. And going forward, I think we've got that in a pretty good place. Even if it does, even if it goes to 3%, you're still above 1.64, where it was kind of setting. And 1.64 with a 3% would probably have been like 1.1 or 2. So I think you're I think you're good there.

Now that those period six ones sent out, now that we're done with June, for you guys to look over and you guys would be able to do the same thing. I mean, I'll go through and do that. Look at the revenues and expenditures coming off. But you guys are also, from those reports is what I'll use. We'll see, like I'll be looking at their actuals to see like, is that the revenues that we're bringing in? Is that the, and I'll just highlight any ones that I have concerns about.

on here and we'll scan it in and that'd be awesome it'd be awesome i don't think we're going to have any you know at least on the expenditure side the the receipt side yeah well and it's kind of hard for me to know too because like you guys had a great point with darcy's like if a lot of her money comes in at a certain point yeah and it's not there yet and there's gonna you know and i think terrace is probably going to be the same yeah yeah because her way here starts now which is a mystery yeah and so her grant money won't come in until march Or later. Like I said, some of those grants Darcy gets, you spend it and then they reimburse you. And some of it, they give it to you. That's got to go into a fund.

We had this conversation, kind of that same thing over at Sumner on Monday. That's the first year I've done Sumner. But, you know, they're right south of Wichita, so they've been growing. Sumner County's growing like nuts. So it's actually, it's larger than Lynn when I did it two years ago. They had a $38 million increase in their assessed value, okay? But what's really interesting about that is kind of back to this one-time use of funds. You have to be careful. So he just got a new contract with the federal marshal. And this year he will generate in the jail. Last year it was, I don't remember, probably 1.8. This year he'll probably generate 2.4. It was cool as one of the commissioners loves budgeting. You don't see that very often. He kind of does his own worksheets and all this. And John and he went in and did this. It's kind of interesting. He did this three tier approach. I've never seen it done this way because the sheriff talked to him because I don't want to just fund your budget. with one-time revenue. And if I lose it, because that's what happened in Ottawa County. Yeah. Federal Marshall could just say, boom. So what John came up with, and I think the sheriff's in agreement with it. It's kind of cool is he's got a three-tier approach of the first 500,000 of that money goes to keep up the jail. Okay. So like he had an air conditioner go out and it's about 400,000 last year. So they're going to build that pot. second one was something else i don't remember something to do with upkeep and then the third was helping other departments keep up okay and then he come up with instead of having instead of having an ongoing like if you give an increase to salary instead of having where it's you give it to them and then it just stays there He built a pool in the bottom part of if it reaches this number, this is what we're going to pay all the employees based on a, instead of a salary increase, it'd be a pool. You see what I'm saying? One time deal. And then you're not stuck. So that commissioner, he'd done some, it's a one page thing. And I think the sheriff, they had a little bit of last couple of years. Sheriff said, I'm not going to do this. And, you know, and I understand that he's, he's working a lot of that jail. I didn't realize it's that it's massive. it's 185 beds and he's only using 75. see how much more will they build it well I know I didn't with the attentions I think what the Lions County about one thing yeah Lions did that it's about the rice rice County extra extra for federal But that can bite you real quick. It's like Ottawa, their jail's still closed. Who's that?

Cloud County.

Cloud, yeah. There's a few of them like that. Lynn was that way. Lynn generated about $1.5 million off their jail with the federal marshals, but that can change so quickly.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that's why you do not, any of these revenues.

You have to run your jail the way they want you to run. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a little headbutt in between. Yeah. I'm sure. Yeah.

Anyway, any other questions? don't have any other questions i don't have any questions yeah our date to give notice is that the 20th yeah 20th yeah that's a monday um i think i'll still have several meetings that week of the 13th it's kind of there you know trying to get it finalized that week i am i i will be able to answer email i'll be out the office on monday that monday but most of the time everything that week before should be should be pretty well hopefully done

Yeah, I shouldn't say this. I'm not going to say the county. I'm on a less served thing. And they were talking about the health insurance problem. Yep. The increase. And so I got on here and asked if the increase was just normal increase or overuse of the policy. Well, that opened the Pandora's box. And I want to say this right now. I don't agree with what I'm about to say. Yeah. But this is what commissioners are facing. Yeah. One of them actually said that they're looking at if they overuse their medical. Yeah. If I get this right. They take away part of their cola. to pay for that increase. And you talk about a shit storm after that. I'm not in favor of that. You can't control your health. That's not anything.

I'm not an attorney, but I'm not sure you could do that.

Well, you don't have to give it. No, you don't. So instead of giving it, they're using the money to pay the increase in health. yeah but that's not how they expressed it to their yeah they can do that i mean you can you can go in and make the calculations but to make that comment yeah yeah well if you knew yeah you do you know yeah yeah oh my goodness county was no employees yeah i finally got off of it it was

All I asked about, what I wanted to know was, is everybody... What was it, just roughly, did they share on there, like, kind of what the increases were across the board?

Some of them were 14. Some of them were way overused. Some of them said they're looking at redoing theirs because it's like 20, 30%.

There was one at my training, I think I told you this, but a city up by Canton City, it was 33%. Yeah. I mean, you start having 33% increases.

Yeah.

But she said that

They overused a lot. They had a couple of employees that were deathly sick.

Yeah, that's sad.

So they're hoping they can just afford this and then maybe go down after that. Yeah.

Okay. I'm going to go get something done then.

All right. Thank you. I'll get to work preparing these. Yeah, no problem.

Thank you. It looked like you enjoyed the soccer match.

Oh, I'll tell you a funny story real quick. I couldn't really tell you. I sent you that video. Right. So we had our messy T-shirts on, okay? And I didn't even know who messy was before I did. So messy T-shirts on. I sent you that picture, I think. And what was funny was the game was over. And I went outside and a lot of Argentinians, they can't speak English, okay? So I went out there and these four guys are standing there and I go, what is this thing you keep doing? You know, you're like when they score a goal, it is the whole stadium. I bet there were, I don't know. I'll put that in email. I bet there were 59, there were 69,000 people there. I bet there were at least 50,000 messy jerseys. Okay. So they're going like this. So I ask them knowing less. Okay. That's what they told me. Okay. These four guys, all of a sudden they started doing that and dancing around me. Okay. she goes I I'm so mad at myself I didn't get my camera that's what she said later and then they couldn't give me a big old hug and then they just headed on down the way and all those pictures like were there I think I give you the one where they're pounding on the that circle thing at the Chief Stadium and dancing that was two hours after I mean they just kept kept going it was quite something because you had to bring my auto one back no no they were just they just told me they're just happy okay well i read well i think probably yours yeah i heard that but it was i'm glad i went i wasn't sure i wanted to go but i'm glad i went because you You see it on TV now, and it gives you a different perspective of how these people get into this. The other thing that's really kind of weird, or for me anyway, it's almost like Messi's, he's a really nice person, it sounds like, and he's got a great family, but he's kind of like a god. So the entire stadium, when he scored that hat trick, the third, Messi, the whole stadium went just like this. I mean, I kind of, you know, anyway.

Good times.

Yeah, it's a good time. Okay. I'll head out if you have a question. I don't remember where I'm at Monday, but just text me or call me or something, okay?

Yeah, I just want to thank Sesh and her crew for the hard work in this because I know she's had abstracts. Yeah.

Happy to do it. Really, sincerely.

I think she really does enjoy it.

Oh, I think she does. I know it's a lot of work.

Yeah, it is. I like things to be nice and tidy, though, and make sure that we're good. So I really don't mind doing.

I mean, you know this, but you may not know this. But when that person there does their job, it makes my job like, oh, my goodness, so much easier. Not only on the budget, just general. Yeah, absolutely.

Thank you. And then when you get the IT guy back here, actually. Yeah. It's a dream team. It's a dream team. We probably need to thank Mark, too, because he's got to sit there and listen to all this that he doesn't even care about.

We make jokes about it.

He's like, I'm back there going, I need to go fix so-and-so's computer. I need to go download this. Either that or you use the information for Skyline budgets.

Oh, that's right.

You're on the board out there, aren't you? Oh, boy. You want to get questions from me yet?

Oh, yeah. You've been sitting back there listening to everything. Okay.

Thank you guys for all you guys do. You make my job a whole lot easier.

I'm very blessed with these kids that I work with. You are.

Lauren's amazing.

Yeah, she is very good. She's worked for me now, I think, on our 11th year. those first three years, kind of like you asked me, where's my people at? That's the only thing I'm missing in my mind right now is handing off, not handing it off, but having someone, it takes three to five years to get somebody to where they can have a conversation like we had this morning. You know, they can't just sit down here. I'm not bragging on myself. I'm just saying, you know, it takes, and Lauren, Lauren, if she was in Kansas and she rode around with me, she could have that conversation, but there's not a lot of people that could. And so that's it. You know, good Lord has allowed me to keep going and even though I'm on Medicare.

You're doing good. You're doing good. I don't know what I do.

I'm just not a retirement. Well, thank you. Thanks, Scott. I really just

Thank you, Scott. See you. Safe travels. Thank you. I just got out. Anybody got anything? Got a lot to absorb here. I don't have anything. I don't have anything. Got anything, Tyson? No. Well, no homework cut out, but If it wasn't for that employee benefit fund, we'd be sitting pretty decent. Yeah. So, but there again, I'm glad we catch it before it becomes a problem.

Um, and, and something else, and I don't, I don't, I think that hasn't been discussed is we do have that FCMI reserve to create savings for you guys to use. And I know you don't want to fund that, but. um, you know, using that, but that, that is money in that reserve sitting there. And if it needs to be used for, uh, you know, an increase in insurance or, you know, whatever you, you guys do have, yeah, you guys do have that money, um, there just to be that open.

Not by the increases they keep slapping on.

Not, not at all. No, but.

But there again, that's a one-time use thing. Then you have to fund it the next year. Yep. 100%. My head hurts.

I'll make a motion. We adjourn.

I'll second it. It's been moved and seconded. We adjourn. All in favor say aye. Aye.