Board of Zoning Appeals Hearing Officer - Regular Meeting

Good afternoon folks. I'd like to call me to order please. Stand recite the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [Music] Any correspondence at this time? We do. Um we have um Pam Flag called in this morning. When we get to her case, she won't be able to make it, but we haven't had any changes or anything and we can address that when we get there. I don't think Is there anybody here for that case? No.

Okay. All right. Well, thank you. Any other correspondence? No.

Okay. We got two of the two old cases. Uh the first case is uh PB-20225-37 African Drive Lindsay Ditch Creek. Location 792 West North oper Township zony's RRE is 1.55. request to allow for existing 18 ft x 20 ft detached garage and a 12tx 11 ft 10 in greenhouse to area for the following. First, a third structure on a partial less than 2 acres. Next, an increase of maximum floor area. Next, a decrease of minimum sideyard setback the greenhouse from 15 ft. It requests at 10 ft 7 in. And lastly, the exterior finish not to match or close to resemble the primary structure. Okay, you're on. This is my second time around. So, I went ahead and got the survey done that you did request and sent a copy in to Christy. Now provide a copy with um I don't really know where we where we stand from here please. Thank you.

Can you hear me better now? Absolutely. Should you send in the survey? Yes.

And I can also hand this to you as well if you want to discuss paper. Could you please? [Music] Okay. [Music] So I understand it's right the greenhouse be 9 ft 9 in

that's what if I read the survey correct that's what I see as well for the surveyor see that was my concern that's why because you were you were asking for 10 ft at 7 so this is culture correct Does that have to be reverted since it's closer? No, because No. Mm-m. I mean, we haven't had they didn't come in. We asked for reduction. We send a letter. The gentleman that filed the complaint refused to even accept the letter. He sent it back.

Yeah. I was going to say we haven't Someone came in after this. Yes. That's why it makes you nervous when people measures that tape measure, you know, especially this close. You know, you're 35 ft away. You know, sometimes 3 4 in won't make the difference. But in your case, you're close, right?

And you cannot relocate that greenhouse, right? [Music] Technically, yes, it could be relocated with a major mess. Big mess with a lot of destruction. Okay. And that was construction without the permit. I'm sorry. You've constructed that before. You've got the approval. Is that correct? Yes. We've not worked on it since you guys have stopped. So, what's left on it? Do you think what's left to finish on it? Is that It hasn't changed. Correct.

And then now the garage that was constructed without a permit that was inspected. Yes, sir. Okay. Yep. Mike came out and inspected to make sure that it was here. No issues, right, Christie? I didn't see any. No, he didn't. [Music] And your neighbor is okay with it. Next, your next door neighbor, no issues. I have two I have two neighbors. The one that filed the complaint doesn't live there. The home is vacant. Um, and the other neighbor has zero issues. Nobody around us has any issues except for the vacant home.

Okay. And is that the one next to this 9 ft? Yes, sir. On the east side. On the east side. Have we heard from her that she's she issued a complaint? Yes. He's the one that called uh he's the one that called the that called county on us, but he didn't come to the last hearing. He rejected the letter that we sent out. Um I haven't heard anything from our code force code enforcement officer on a complaint and no one's called me. Monica, anybody call you regarding this case? No. Okay. And the house is vacant, you said.

Yes. He doesn't live there. He lives in Portage with his girlfriend. He has for two decades, maybe more. Is it Is it a rental house or Nope. It's just they're vacant. He just files homestead on it and shows up to mow the grass every once in a while. And

Okay. So, we got to change the records. They request the code is 15 ft. You're going to be at 9 ft 9 in. Okay. We'll have to come in and change the application, too. Okay. That you submit it and we don't have to revert. We I can ask Mike Jel, but I mean the whole thing was for her to go get a survey. And I mean, so we're going to put her through some more time after she went got a survey and add another month to it. Well, my concern is the neighbor got Okay, that's the concern. And I was I was concerned about no survey. It was so close. Yeah.

Okay. Personally, if the neighbor will have a problem, you know, probably won't have a problem, but he did file a complaint is a citizen, a taxpayer. Okay. And we're making change now and he's not aware of it. Okay. It's it's it's a foot a little bit more than foot almost a foot closer. I mean, absolutely zero disrespect for him. But if he's not here, if he can't even show up to seek his peace, if he can't email, phone call, write a letter, I mean, another month added on. I understand that, but you understand my position. Okay. I seriously don't even contact code enforcement has this.

Yeah. I tell you what, we're going to do I will approve this with contingent. We will talk to our attorney. Okay. in the code officer. So, make sure it's okay. If they say we have to revert, okay, we have to advertise. If you don't, we need to go. So, give us how much time you think you need to contact Scott and our attorney and um I can contact Mike Jabbo and see if he can get a hold of Scott. I I Yeah, I mean, no. Well, look, maybe tomorrow. I think he's having a meeting with him tomorrow morning, actually. So, every Wednesday, I think they have meetings. Yep. I get it. I understand. Yeah. Okay. I'm concerned about the neighbor. So, maybe tomorrow I can have an answer or by the end of this week and I can let you know.

Okay. So, we can ask Scott if he if he she's got a renotice. I mean, we have the survey in the file, too. So, but the survey didn't come until Right. Right. See, that's my that's my concern. The survey came later. So, okay. I will approve case DB-2025-27 [Music] with the contingency u uh our director and uh our attorney both

yeah we have to approve this and so if if they don't approve it we may have to revertise and have another hearing if not we'll be good to go if it's approved on a contingency are we allowed to proceed with I I will say no. So it's not approved then it's not approved until I get confirmation from the attorney saying that we don't have to readvertise that you're put off. Okay. That's all I can do. Fair enough. Okay. Thank you. [Music] And we have a copy. I'll let you know as soon as I find something else.

Thanks for a hard copy. Mhm. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Next case is UV-20-24-56. That's at P Street. Uh location 576 North 400 East South Washington Township Races 14.93. request renewal of used areas to allow a temporary mobile home on a property to be used by a caretaker to help maintain the process and you stated

she cannot make it. Um she fell and is hurt and can't walk. Nothing's changed. This has been ongoing for well, you know, years. Um she definitely needs someone there to help her maintain her property now that she's injured. So, I told her that I would let you know and that we would move forward with this. Yeah, I drive by that property often. Yeah, I don't see any change. So, with that sounds good. When is the 5 years hearing? Um, I think it's next time. Can you put a motion in there that it be a new public hearing next time? Yes, it will. Okay.

Excuse me. I'd like to approve cage UV-2024-56, which I understand next year will be a The year it's a fiveyear have to have a hearing a public hearing. Yeah. A public hearing. Y so cases approve the same stipulations. Okay. Thank you.

Okay. Next items are uh public uh theories if we approves the conduct and public hearing before a board petitioner or proponent shall first present the facts and arguments in support of the case. Those who oppose the petitioner shall follow. The petitioner shall have rebuttal time at the conclusion of those opposing the petition. Those opposed shall then be allowed a total announcement of 10 minutes to rebut any new statements made by the petitioner in this rebuttal. It should be within the discretion of the board to impose any time limitation on either the petitioner or respondent and to limit the public comment to those determined by state statute to the interested parties. Written remrants shall be accepted by the board but need not to be read into the board's record. This then concludes the public hearing. To maintain ordering procedures, each site shall proceed without interruption by others. All material presented by the petitioner and or demonstrators or supporters to the petition including photographs shall become part of the prompting of the board and part of the record. Okay. With that, the first case is DV-2025-47. Applicant David Sickles. Location 457 East 237 North operational U Township zone is A1 acre is one 1 acre request to allow for a proposed 30T by 40T accessory structure to vary from the following. First, an increase in maximum floor area. The second is decrease in side setback from 30 ft to 5 ft. Okay, folks, you're on. Um,

so we're going to put up a 30x4 pull bar on the side of our house. Um, if we use the 30T setback, then it would be right up next to our house. Um, so we're asking for that setback. Did you guys state your name and address for the record? I'm sorry. I'm sure you're right. Take your name and address. Name and address for the record, please. Sickles 457 East 337 North. Go ahead. Michelle Sickles 457 East 337 North.

So this is A1 zoning. In A1 zoning, it's 10 acres required. This is a unique situation where this gentleman only has one acre in A1. So, our setbacks are so much greater that there's no way he would be able to comply with them because everything would be pushed right in the center of his yard. Um, so what we usually do at this looking around to see if there's adjacent property owners with same kind of structures. Um, we usually go off our RR setbacks. If you was approved, they have to at least meet those. Um those are acre lots in RR usually. Um so it's up to you whether you think that's I I have a from the neighbor adjacent to me with the property line I can

that would be directly next directly next to us bar that would be east. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the only one that would would affect um his property. So from the property mine, the front of this house is approximately 80 acres. [Music] And what are you going to use it for? Storage and car. Yeah. Nothing. There's There's not going to be a business. This is not going to be anything but something.

We haven't been able to like overwhelmed and tinker and tinker. They're all leaving and we're like going to be empty nesters. I need something to do. You guys are in a dead end. It's a private drive. Private drive. Yeah. All right. It's a public hearing. So, anybody want to speak in favor of this case? Seeing none, anybody want to speak against or any questions? Seeing none, I close the public hearing. I have a question. You You have this pole bar is going to be [Music] 30 by 30 foot wide.

Yes, sir. And 40. No, 40 wide. 30 ft. So the 40 would be facing the road the same way the house would be facing. Okay. Um yeah. So basically this is it's hard to tell but this is what the front of it going to so it's just not a metal building and it's got stone. The front of it it's going to have stone on it to match the house and Oh yeah. It looks like a nice building. Thanks. That's where it's going to Yeah. I know. Was were you there yesterday? Yes, it was. Yeah.

And I thought when somebody put the sign up, I thought that's when they looked where it was taken out. And yesterday was my only day off and I cut the grass and I So he probably saw the lines that were down. I picked up the steak out. Thank you. But I guess my question is you have space between your steak and your house. Why can't you shove it a little bit of house?

Well, that's 30 foot. So right now where the where the building would lead to the house is 30t and that'll leave area for landscaping. You can see the mature trees in the backyard there. If that space was there if that was pushed up next to the house it it just be it wouldn't look aesthetically correct. It would just Well, I'm not saying next to the house, but you have you have 30 ft spacing from the from your stage here to your house. You got about 30 ft. started you guys. I I paced it. Okay. I guess why can't you shove another 10 ft? I I don't understand that.

I just think it just looked I mean the mode of grass there, you know, I mean it's nice there. It's you don't want to block everything. I don't think Oh, excuse me. Sorry. I don't think coming closer to the house was I think it look offset. I don't think well 5 ft is offering property. So, uh, and you have space. I don't see a hardship. So, you have to have a you have to have a hardship. So, you do have a space, you know. I mean, some people do put it close to their house. I haven't seen any. I know. Right. It just doesn't Oh, yeah. I mean, if you're if you're going to put in our R in our R, it's a 10 or 15t set back minimum. So, you're not even meeting that.

You know, I'm not I'm not trying to, you know, the hardship part of it. I don't want to spend all this and just it look like a a metal box sitting in the yard. I I don't think it I think it would wouldn't look right. We're not talking about the aesthetics. We're talking about moving it closer off this property line. What would be the minimum amount? What how much would we have to move it over? Is 15. Is that I think it's either 15 or

I go another 5T. Well, let me look it up first. Hold on. I know 5T is tight. It is. But when you look at the property line to his house is like 8 acres with trees and stuff like that and he doesn't mind us. He actually at one point told me if I could do it I would give you 30 ft of my yard, but he didn't know how to. I have seen that. You can quickly eat it right here at the assessor's office. I have seen that done cuz he has no problem with that.

I've seen it done. But 5 ft just it's he may sell it two years from now you know his property and now he got new neighbor coming in they're going to say why is it so close you know I you know and there's no hardship there's some other reason hard shot I don't see the 5t not when you have space I mean you could make it a little bit smaller to burn you could you could turn other way I understand you don't want to but 40 ft you could make make it 32 38 Okay. Whatever if you don't want to close your house, but you got 30 ft. I think that was from the sidewalk. I measure. Was that from the side? We don't have 30.

That's the other house. Okay. So, I measure I must have walked it from the corner of your house to to that first date. I You're about 30 ft right there. Monica 15. It's either 15 or 20 ft or second. 15 or 10? I want to say it's 15. 15. I'm double check. 15. Oh, yeah. You got the code in there. Give us one. No problem. Now, I think this shed was built with Dr. Yeah, that was in 2004. So, obviously that's going to be Who built that?

We built the house. We built the house and the the developer of the property setback is 15 ft in RR. So 15 would be a minimum. So 15 15 ft for acre lock side back. And the rear setback let's see I think that might be 15. So if I understand correctly what you're saying is we would have to move it over more 10 additional feet. Yeah. So, yeah, rear is 15 ft too. So, each side is 15 and the rear is 15. And then [Music] I mean, can we do 10 off the property line?

Yeah. 10 additional 10 additional be 15. So, that's half of what's requested, which is 30. So, we're doing our our was 15. We're five off now. So, we're five off now. If we could go another five. She's 15. Maybe another 10. You meet the requirement be another 10. Another 10. Yeah. So if they're teaching you, you're five off now. It be 10 more feet. You move over 10 ft. If you only want 10 ft, then yeah, it would be five more. But if but right 20 ft between houses.

I see it all the time. So, can I go 10 off the property line or do I got to stay 15? The other the other pole barns I I I always drive it anyway. Okay. And they're off the property. Okay. I didn't see the ones in Washington Township that are right smack dab next to the house.

There are some that are legal non-conforming, but some of them did come for variances, too. It depends on if there's a slope or if there's a hardship on the way the property is your hardship right now is you are in A1 and that's why we're trying to work with you. You're actually that's why you're here. So 15 ft. I mean it's better than no polar at all. True. Cuz you're over how much is he over sideways? What's your um how big is your shed? The shed is going to be gone. Okay. So then he's right. So the shed's going to be he's allowed 1300 square f feet if you take down the shed.

Yeah. And then so part of the variance was to move the shed to the back of the property so we can do the lawn mower and you know put all that stuff. So you going to keep it still the shed? Yeah. If we That's part of the square footage. That's what I need to know. So you are going to keep the shed if we can. Okay. We need to know that square footage. Why? I'm asking it's on the staff. It's on. It should be on the Okay. So where's going to be where's the staff report? right here. They're about 1300 for over by 92. 92 ft. You can keep this shut, right? Yeah, I'm good with that.

I just the location [Music] with that Okay. I would make a motion to approve case DB-2025-47. [Music] Understanding uh you will maintain the 15T side setback and your shed will stay in the backyard. Now there's a backyard setback. 15 ft. 15. Right. Right. Yeah. Well, we'll let you go with 15 ft with our AR technically

cuz with the subdivision cuz it depends on which way your house faces with the cuz they're Well, your whole problem is your whole zoning jack. So, for A1, um yeah, I would make sure just keep your shed 15 ft on the sides and from the back cuz I think it's like 30 now. Same with your side cuz it's the A1 zone. Okay. So, just when you replace it, right? because I think it's pretty much on the property line now. Okay. So, you'll have to come in and revise your application for 15 ft on your Skyard setback. Thank you.

Okay. This is D-2025-53 [Music] location 752 West State Road 2 A12.8 Eight. Request to allow decrease in fact. [Music] Hi. State your name and address. Cano2 [Music] and I'm Mar. Um, so she's requesting a marriage. Um, can you speak to speaker? She's here representing her mom. Yeah. Her mom could not make it today. So she's trying to

fiddle through this. We'll help you as much as we can you. Okay. So she's not here to like she's just learning. So her her mother had a health issue issue yesterday to me yesterday. So

yes. Okay. Good. Um so yeah I'm catching up with this project a little bit. I do live at the home but this is um and the current structure in place. She's already applied for a demolition permit for my understanding. So that is fine. Like that's coming down. And then that concrete pad in front of what we're planning to build farms, but it is 17 ft tall, my understanding. [Music]

What's it going to be used for? mower motorcycles things. I'm sorry. What? Motorcycle things. Yeah. Personal storage. Yep. So, I understand it. You're going to remove this existing building. Yeah. So, we're going to keep the concrete path under the existing. And I think that's why that location and exact setup was chosen was because it would be centered with that concrete path of the existing. Okay. And then again with this one, this zoned A1, but they do have a little bit more acreage. They have 2.8 acre.

Okay. All right. They can use it for personal storage, not for business. No. All right. Um Okay. Public hearing. Anybody want to speak in favor? Seeing none, anybody want to speak against or any questions? Seeing none, I'm close public hearing as I'm concerned about. I've seen the stakes and the stakes are beyond this building. I questioned you yesterday. I want to be sure I understood the states. So you're you're putting closer to side guard set back than what the existing bill is,

right? Yeah, that's what you're wondering because the requested arm is wider. Is my understanding? Mhm. The same. How much wider? How much wider? Um not much. 64 is 49. take that. Okay. All right. Um

what is this? Do we know what the cigar setback is now for the existing structure? Yeah, it should seem to be I do not I have no idea. Even if I measure, it's not. Yeah, it's not. [Music] Yeah, this is that building took it up from 19. Oh, 1976. Okay. 22x 49 by 8. So even if it was a little back then change it must be around 20 ft now I don't think.

Yeah. Okay. It looked like it was 3 ft wider on the side that came off closer to the property line three more feet than the existing. [Music] I would I would agree to the same uh site set back in now. Okay. increasing you you have area you can move it to every direction I mean you have I think there were vehicles on it and some other equipment that space it's not a septic system or anything like that so you could talk over get away from the side guard

okay so my motion would be the same side guard setback that the existing building has but we don't know what that is tech right so how do you find that out they have Get a survey. Yeah. Like the last lady you did. Yeah. Get a survey. See where we are. So, we're going to have to continue this. Yeah. Well, the concrete pads there. You're going to use the same concrete pad on that side of the house or on that site on the property. Right. Concrete pad. Basically, you can't go beyond the concrete pad. So, the concrete pad be towards the backyard, the center of the yard. So, we had to get survey. I mean, she she's right. So, we know. Okay. Yeah. Just like this past thing you do.

All right. Well, then we're going to continue this because if it is less than 17 ft, then if we have to renotice and send it out, then we will. Yeah. It's like the last we have to check with the attorney. So, I don't know. You okay with it? Yeah, I I'm okay with it. I just don't I mean I don't know what the sidear setback is. It was built in 76, you said. Yeah. And we don't know. But tell surveyors to stay, you know, just the new buildings will say the same setback it is now. You can't go any further. Right.

Okay. So, I'd like to make a motion to continue PV-2025-53 next week. Yeah. Let me know if you can get a survey done by then. I know they're kind of busy. So, uh, soon as you get your survey done, call Monica or I. And Okay. Thank you.

Good luck. Thanks. Next case is uh DV-2025-54. applicant area and Bobby Meline attorney um chair of attorney g location 1092 north county road west of zonies RR acreage is 4.28 request to allow construction of a 30tx 16t detached accessory structure to be built in the front yard. Okay, sir. You're on. Please state your name. My name is Eric Paul 1092.

So, Greg Babcock. Um, I think the notice and the mailings are all in order for the public hearing. As you indicated, this is a development standard area for an RR zone. Uh, Malaponices are hoping to build a detached threecar garage about 1,800 square ft. Uh the reason we're here is because it's technically going to sit in the front yard plane from that perspective. As you've indicated, uh about 4.27 acres. In the drawing that we've given you, the house currently sits about 170 plus or minus feet off of County Line. The proposed structure is going to be about 148 ft off of County Line Road. from that perspective. If you've been by uh nice, uh area, trees, um I had him go ahead and get the area clean so you could come and and look at it from that perspective there. I'm going to have um Eric tell you a little bit about what why what they're doing, why they're doing, and then we have some information about contact with the neighbor. So, go ahead. Okay.

Good afternoon. I'm looking to get this grant. had to put a lot of effort into trying to find the best looking most appropriate place for drainage and for sight lines and for the neighbor to put this building. Um the the yard really has a lot of elevation change from north to south and so south to north rather. But um the way the house has been built previously and we've been there about 5 years but the house was built 92. The way the house sits, it's at a pretty significant angle to the to the both roads. And so if I put the garage behind that front plane, access to the garage becomes a problem. I start to lose space and I sort of lose access from the driveway. The well is right, my current well is right at the end of the driveway. You see it marked on the So if I put that building back further, that well becomes a problem with access to the building as well. and the way it slopes. I really want the drainage to follow the natural curve of the property to the northwest. And that this current location allows me to do that. The proposed location,

can you step up here? Sure, please step up. Absolutely. Show me where that back again. That's my well. So, if I move the building back, that well becomes problem to act. I'm planning to have the doors on this side of of the garage. And is your house facing this way? Yeah, the house faces out this way. So, it's on like a 40° angle, maybe almost a 40° angle. So, this looks when you're at the property, the the distances are so long. This looks like it's straight, but when you're when you look at paper, it looks way forward. So, thank you. Go ahead.

The other thing is, as you can see on there, I've added um asphalt. You know how busy County Line Road is. That turnaround is a 40 foot circle so I can do a full turnar around the top which I don't have. Um so that's another reason I kind of shaped it the way I did so that um this easy safe access instead of having to back out the driveway turn around the top and pull out the driveway. Um it's still the building is still behind the front setback of the neighbor's house uh adjacent to the neighbor. I've kept them in contact the whole time. plan was to build this even when I moved in. I kind of told him what I was thinking I wanted to do. Um he he's on board and he's the only one who can even see the building. In fact, it's a fully wooded property. Um so it's uh yeah, purpose-wise um I'm going to use it just for personal use. I have a car collection and a wood shop. Just store my stuff indoors instead of Right now I've got seven cars in a threec car garage with a lift. So I'm trying to find space to put them all under one roof. Um how much do you think between architect survey clearing building are you going to invest in this particular project? This is going to cost me upwards of $75,000 or more to put put the structure in when I consider the clearing and the attorney and the uh surveying fees I have into it already.

And it's going to resemble the current structure. It will uh it's going to be a metal structure, but it will have the same light gray exterior with dark gray trim just like the house. Very, very close match. So, a couple of things just so you know. Um, as Eric indicated, houses kind of at an odd angle, um, built in the late 90s, they don't move in until, uh, what, 2020? 2020. Yeah,

2020. Um, the other thing is if you look at that drawing that, uh, Davies has done and you compare it. Now, this isn't easy to see. This would have I went back and got septic permit location report if I could. Um, your roadway versus where it's at. Garages are on that side. So that area that you see kind of up in here is got his septic and I know as the hearing officer you've been out there so you know probably noticed in that front yard the trees in the front yard near the house have all been cleared quite a long time ago to make that septic functional from that perspective there. So again, that sighting. The other thing Eric mentioned to you, it's a large piece of land. Um, but it's got severe slopes on that west and north. I drove it the other day and when you get to the north end of the property, there's even a tube that's taking all the water in that area across 1100 into one of I think it's not Isaac Walton, it's um, oh god, it's conservation group. So, the idea of where we're placing it again, front yard plane. The nice thing is neighbors got a detached storage garage. The neighbor's house faces county life, but it's up a ways. And on that side, the north side, they have their regular garage attached to the house. So you don't have any actual living activity in terms of windows etc that might interfere with the garage that we're going to build here.

Yeah. Neighbors here. Yeah. And yeah,

that's another consideration. The neighbor's garage is very close to the actual property line and so this steep slope that's been there and kind of eroding me putting the building here I can use some of that dirt to support that uh and kind of level it out a little bit. If I have to push it back further then I get closer to that 15 ft easement or the setback on the side and it becomes tighter slope. And then as as they mentioned the two of them know the rules in terms of the structure having to look complimentary to the house and that's not an issue from our perspective and I know that it will appear on the building permit plan from that perspective there. Um, in the future, assuming we're successful today, eventually they're going to plant a few trees. Again, remember close in what we're going to call the front of the detached structure to give it some more block in terms of countyline road to actually seeing the structure from that perspective there. Um, and as always when people come in here, what's the BCA do? You've got a house from the '9s, a UDO at 2007, somebody buys the house in 2020, wants to improve it. That's why we come before you uh for the request. So, I'd ask you today to review the findings that we've put together and um approve the request as we don't have any other development standards that variances that we're asking for for this particular one. uh there's no height issue as an example. Uh and there's no extra um structures in the our zone from that perspective too.

So again, I'd ask you to consider approving it today. Thank you very much. Okay, it's a public hearing. Anybody want to speak in favor of this case? See none. Anybody want to speak against any questions on this case? the same here. How many feet would it be in front of your house? I think it's about 27 ft in front of front of the front lane. Yeah. The current house is set way back off the road. 175 or more feet off County Line Road property line. So, it still would be 147 148. Yeah. About 148 ft from that corner to the road.

Yeah. And I think 130 ft of that front is all heavily wooded. There's a path now to get equipment in, but I plan to cover that path back up. So, the building will not even be visible from the road. Not at all. Once once they put the trees back and you're on a corner lot. Yeah, I am. You got two front So you got two front yards. Yeah. The north end of the whole property is wetland. There's ground water across the street and it travels under the road and it stays wet 365 days a year. So it's really not terribly useful. Yeah.

The north third probably. Well ask an obvious question. Can you make it smaller? Um I I actually wanted to start with the bigger. I wanted to do a a 40x60, but that would have needed another variance for height. So, I chose to go for just the one variant and not ask for more. So, I'm I'm kind of already smaller than I was hoping to put in. So, I would really I I do have a lot of vehicles and I plan to add more. So, I just want to keep them all in. I want to keep it nice looking. I want the neighbors to see my cars outside and so I'm trying to get what it what I think makes sense putting in there. And you going to be using it for your personal storage truck?

Yes. All personal. Not business. ends up affidavit too and that's and that's fine and I've talked to both of them. I've been doing this long enough to know that that's always a concern that we have in the county and they're comfortable with that. It's not intended to be a commercial activity. Obby personally, it's not you personally. It's just it's not you personally. It's every I know every we have to do this with I'm not one of those people.

No. And we have not tried to build it before. We got a permit. I just thought I throw that in here for the record. Um that dish that goes through there. How close are you to that drainage dish? Cuz you're right. You brought that up. Yeah. I forgot the name of that dish, but it runs across the street. Oh yeah. All the way down. It touches the property in the far northwest corner. Okay. Off of 11 road 1100. Yeah. Yeah. So it travels the creek comes in up here and it travels across the road there. So you won't be close yet. No. No.

I'm at the high end of this is all at the high end of the property. Okay. The drainage all runs back. And that's one again that placement became important because of that the slope. If you if you had a chance to see it on one of the layered drawings, there's a slope. So that's the flattest area. We're not impacting the septic in any way, which is always a concern. And the neighbor's property is elevated a little bit. So the sighteline certainly will be a lot better. You won't be looking at it from slab side. You'll be looking at kind of a hidden building. Well, what's helping you, your acreage, you got four acres. Yeah. And I did have a note in my mind about trees. You brought that up.

Oh, yeah. So tell me about the landscape, the trees. What can you do? What's the plans? Yep. Um there we we had had to take out a couple bad trees just to get the um equipment in so that it was safe to come in off the road. And I plan to put those trees back in there so that the full tree barrier is 120 ft of trees is returns. Um what kind of trees we talked about there? I'll probably put some um evergreen type like uh what do they call those? uh arborite type of deer resistant arborites as well as some tulip trees and some red oaks is mostly what I have had success planting. Since I moved in, I probably planted 80 trees already.

Yeah, watch your deer. I'm sorry. The red oaks you got to protect, but the tulip trees are good. Usually, I fence the red oaks. I planted a lot of trees and so I guess I'm going to lock you in. How many how many trees? How many feet in the front? I could after construction. Yeah. And the front portion of the trees, I probably put in four or six will grow to fill that space. And then on the sight lines for the neighbor, I probably plan to put two to four uh evergreens that will get pretty big. How about four or four? Sure. The most no problem. Like I said, I planted over 80 trees already. So, another eight is no problem at all. Okay. All right.

So, make that a condition as part of that. Oh, yes, we can. That's fine. Chrissy, anything you add? Uhuh. Nope. Okay. I'd like to make a motion approve case- 2022-54 with a condition for and you will sign the document the for business so absolutely that's it. on after Christie on that affidavit part of the building permit process or do you just need him? Yeah. No, it's part of the building process. That's okay. I just didn't know if you needed him in earlier or something.

No, when you filled out the applications for the um accessory structure, they'll have them finance. Okay, great. Great. Well, thank you guys very much. We appreciate it. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Have a good one.

Okay. [Music] Next case-2025-55 applicant Carol Stonehouse location 951 South 250 Weston A1 acre is 3 acres request to offer a full 40t by 100t accessory structure to bury from the following. First it increases maximum floor area. Second a decrease in side yard set. How you doing? Fine.

Yeah, I gave you guys the survey that was with the height [Music] cuz we did an elevation on it with column design. The barn is in the back of the property where it burnt down and I want to move it to the front where there's actually a little dry piece flooding where the barn was average probably the worst part of the way. In fact, it has flooded on the national.

Yeah, this is this is a creek here. And then the variance on the sideyard is because it's a pie shaped property and it's so hard trying to wiggle it. I think in the front it needs the property line because you get to the back of the building and it's and it's too it's close because it's pie shaped and the additional 20 ft. State your name and address. Oh, I'm sorry. is Caroline Town. Address 951 South 250 West Hebron.

Thank you. What are you going to use it for? I have horses. It's just the only right my granddaughter. I'm sorry. What are you using? We I have horses. Horses? Yeah. Yeah. At the time, thank God when it burnt down, I didn't have any horses back there, but uh yeah, we're going to have a couple of horses to get for my granddaughter. And this the extra 20 feet, it makes it 50 feet open in the back that you can actually go out there in the winter time and turn the horse loose in it or lunge it, whatever. Okay, that's it. Yeah, any questions? Close the

Okay, public hearing. Anybody want to speak in favor? Seeing none, anybody want speak against any questions? Seeing none, close it. Where was old barn at that burnt out? Way in the back. Okay, sir. Let me bring it. Let me see if I can find it. [Music] Kind of give you an idea. Here's the There's the old barn where it used to sit way in the back. And the road is up here. Okay. And this is the dry section. So, this will sit here. Yeah. Right here. Is that old barn?

Um, yeah. This is your house. There you go. Yeah, this is the house. Yeah, that's where the old barn was. Okay, not right there. There it is. Old barn. Yeah, I didn't walk back that far. Okay. You wouldn't have got very close. It's such a mess back there right now. I was on both sides of the house. So, this is where it probably [Music] Okay. All right. One more time. [Music] Anyway, you can have a seat.

You're uh 36 ft away from your house right now. Why can't you slide over towards the house? We can go closer to the house. I don't have a problem with that. How close can I go to the house? Well, what's a side door? What's your property? What is the required side except I mean 36 measure I so inmate if I had my

this is what she's requesting for um [Music] A1. So she she has 10 acres. No, she's A12 and she's got three acres. So it's all concluded. Does she want decrease inside our zipper? Okay, that's what she's asking for. Mhm. Which is technically 30. It's 30 ft. 30 because she's A1 also. Okay. And her plans right now is 24. [Music] She has an application here. 20 size. All right. And she have that size right on her acreage. No. No.

No. She's only got three acres. She's way over. Oh, yeah. She's Oh, you're 18. You're 185 right here. Here you go. Well, that's replacing what we're done. Yeah. What size was the old one? 40 by 80. 40 by 80. [Music] Yeah. So, she's asking what she's asking. She's I have it at 20. I don't even have it on here. I have a utility shed in the house. I don't even have that old pull on here. Yeah.

1977. And this one was 1989, but I don't have that. Okay. Was it built without permit or Oh, it was built so long. It was built before I I was years ago. All right. [Music]

You have to have that that barn. That large includes the horses and stuff. Yeah. Because actually the the first 30 ft of the front of it is going to be garage and then it's going to be like 20 ft of stalls and then that open 50 in the back. I mean I have no one around me except my brother-in-law. I'm sure he has no problem with it. Behind me is field. the whole way around these farm fields because the other pole barn was 40 by 80, right? And it burned down. Yeah.

And that wasn't large enough. The horses were in there, but there was no room to do anything with them in the winter time. Yeah, that's what it was. Okay. I don't know if that was this was from 2023. You live there by yourself? Yeah. Yeah. My Well, my son is there right now.

Is that property needs cleaning up a little bit too, you know? Well, right now it I have to get the dumpster back there to clean up where the barn burned down. It hasn't been mowed cuz there is just room back there everywhere. I trying to figure it out since the barn burned down and that's we had a lot of debris laying around. Yeah. You know, so

Well, how close can you relocate to your house? I mean, you have 36 ft. How close can it go to the house? I mean, I have no problem moving it over close to your house. It just how by stat, how close can it be? Well, you can use as a garage, the front, right? Yeah. The front section is going to use me. So, she Yeah, that's huge. I'm saying it's huge. That's a huge You ain't got no cops on your horses right now. Where are the horses?

Where are your horses at now? Uh, right now they're in Prince House, but I mean at the time, yeah, I didn't have them in the background. Thank goodness they didn't have them back there when it started on fire cuz they never would have gotten a house. Well, you're you're almost 1,900 ft over. You're you'll be 1845 if I approve that. And you're still older if you go back to the 40 by 80. the 40 by 80 is is like what was what was there before and that's what the insurance is also being you know put back up the additional I'm paying for but [Music]

I approve the 40 by 80 but I can't I don't see the hardship in the 40 by 100 that there's huge and you have to slide it over a little bit towards your house you got 36 ft the And this is an A1. Do you want a survey done to see how far it is from this creek and how far it is from the property line? Cuz she's only had three acres. Yeah, her property angles, right? The survey marker is out there already cuz they're putting they're redoing the bridge. Yeah, but not for your property, right? No, it's my property. The survey marker is right there in front. Yeah, but you see what she's talking about. We're talking about they survey where this this building's going to go. So we know exactly where

how far you are from your sideyard set back in the front and the back and close. The survey will tell us what where you actually want to put it and what you need to be requested for your variances. Okay. Um unless you have it maybe you have it. I don't know if Tim's um the map that I gave you guys with the elevation if that

showed it on that [Music] I don't have anything there. It's a location survey. Yeah. Okay. That's what we need. Yeah. I mean, cuz I had challenge do that. I mean, I had a big elevation one from here, but I gave you guys the huge map that he gave.

See, you know, it's not only for us. He helps you in future. If you ever sell that property or you're one of your relatives, they want to know exactly where that building's at. Okay. Well, yeah. I I thought that title company when Tim I thought it was on the map that I had supplied to you guys. It's not on cuz this was a huge map that Tim gave me that would be the survey. That' be the survey. You got brand. I did bring it. I gave it to you guys. Maybe it's with the actual zoning permit. I don't have it here. I brought it to the building permit office. I gave it to them.

Okay, hold on. We're checking I I uh I don't think I have that system on here. [Music] See this location report is stated and this is untangy. Okay. This is what you're talking about looking at somebody. It wasn't just that. No, let's see. This This was Yeah, [Music]

we don't have I have a folder up here. [Music] PD. See, while she's looking it up, you're you're allowed 20 about 263 square ft. Your previous bar that burned down was 42 ft over. That was 3200 ft. Mhm.

And you're coming in and asking to increase it, 1845 ft over. That's quite a bit of increase. Okay. So you're tell 20 20 ft additional. It was originally what you had on there was was a 3200 foot pole bar that burnt down and that was 400 ft over. Okay. I'm sorry. 600 ft over. I'm happy was 600 ft over. No, it was 600 ft over. Now you're asking for even larger bulmar that's going to be 1,800 plus bark. You see the size? before you. Is this the drawing?

We didn't have We don't have anything from Teman in your file. You gave it to them upstairs upstairs when you did your building permit. Okay. Maybe it's with the building permit portion of it, but it's not with the varian portion of it. So, but even with that, so you understand what we're talking about, I got my mask correct. Her old line that burnt down was 613 ft, 1300 ft over. Now she's asking for 1,800 ice cream people. That's a lot. That's triple triple. So well anyway, two things. We're going to continue to meet. We have to get a survey. Okay. We'll I'll get it and send it to you and you let me know.

Yeah. Let me know when it is. And uh think about 40 by 40 by 80. And this is way too long. And then you have to slide it off to the side. Set back. Okay. If I if I go the 40 by 80, would you improve it? I get this done before the winter time. Yeah. Well, that's what you had before. Okay. You had 3200 ft. I don't know if that was approved or it wasn't. I don't know. But that's what you had. Yeah. Okay. That's what my record show is. That was your record show. I I think it was in a write up, right? Uh, Monica, was it 3200? Did you write up? I thought it was 3200.

I thought it was somewhere. I read 3200. 3200. What? Her old polar. Oh, the one that Oh, I felt that burnt out. She put it down. I showed you the picture. I thought somewhere my records. But anyway, I thought it was 32004. Do you remember the size of that? 40. Yeah, it was 40 by 80. Yeah, which was00. That's what I thought. Okay. It was 40 by 80. So I will I will approve that and then it's just moving off to side. Okay. So we'll be closer to the house.

Yeah. Don't I can't tell by your plan here where you are. I think on your paper you show. That's what the That's what she says on her thing. I don't This is the only thing I have to go by. I don't know. I I can't I can't tell. [Music] So, you are close enough to the house so I'm 15 ft off the sidebar. How you going to know it's 15 ft? Survey. You have a survey of the pole barn on that piece of paper that you brought in showing where it's located on your property or is it just a survey of your property with a legal description? No, I Tim came out and did the elevation and all of it to for the elevation to make sure that when it was put up it was

so the full barn is on the sketch and it shows it should be. Yeah, absolutely. I don't know how far. Let me run and see if the girls can pull this person in for me. I can continue to end the meeting. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, I will call you back.

Okay. I'm going to continue DV2025-55 to end the meeting. I'm going to take the next case which is DB-2025-56 advocate Liberty Township care of Matt Hanger location 47 West Manager North in acreage is 3.2 Two, request to allow a construction new fire station to vary from the following. First, omit landscaping requirements. Second, insulation of a driveway entrance within 150 ft of intersection street. Third, driveway lift of up to 51 50 ft 51 ft at the rightway line. And lastly, up to three ground mounted landscaping up light fixtures to shine on a building facing near the main entrance. [Music] My name is Matt Kaiser. I'm the Liberty Township trustee 71 West US Highway 6. I'm here today seeking four variances for construction of a new fire station. Um the existing fire station, if you're familiar with the properties at the existing fire station is going to remain open during construction, which leads to a lot of the uh bares that we're seeing today. So the new fire station is going to be built behind the old fire station on where the old Liberty Rec fields were at. Liberty Rec, we worked with Liberty Rec and we're building schools last year to build some new fields over on the school property where there's more parking and better facilities. So that opened up the field for the new fire station. Uh we've been saving up for about the past 15 years in order to to try to take the cost off of the taxpayers to be able to build this and

we've saved up about $2.5 million. We just closed on another bond to cover the rest of this because our station was built in 55. It's had three additions on to it. It's unsafe. We have to modify fire trucks when we purchase them to get them through the door. So, this uh new facility is is going to be um uh built behind the old facility. Gives us room to expand over the next 50 years, really put the the taxpayers um into a better predicament um than they're currently at right now. So, we're here today asking for approval for the four variances. I can go over each one and kind of explain what the the site conditions are and why we're asking for these variances if you'd like. if you would. Okay. So, the first one is is the landscaping and we do we are going to do landscaping. Um yes. Yes, we are going to do landscaping but we're just not able to meet the code and a lot of it is because street trees are required along the rideway. We need sight distances for our fire trucks to pull out the schools right across the street. So, we're we're doing a lot of the landscaping around the building. We're going to be asking for volunteers to come out, some of the community groups to come out so that we're not using taxpayer money to to fund landscaping and try to get some buy in from the

We will need that plan cuz I don't think we got a landscaping plan. You might as if I could just sketch something up for you. Thank you. I appreciate that. You need to and I've got Okay. I like that.

And if you go to the second page, you'll see it's the existing conditions, an aerial showing what currently is there right now. So you can kind of see where vegetation currently is. We plan on leaving the vegetation that's all the way back intact. And then we look at planting 10 trees around the building, but closer to the building. And then some landscaping around the building as well to to dress it up. Okay. So that's the first variance request. The second one is the driveway entrance. Um the the code requires because of the um the uh these are collector roads. Both of them are considered collectors that driveway entrances need to be 150 ft or greater from the intersection. But because of the site placement and our turning radius is out of the the uh furthest southwest drive coming out of the front of the building and then heading towards 50. That one is 127 ft from the intersection. We simply can't push the building back anymore because of the the triangular shape of it. And we we've got to get our our trucks to be able to get out as fast as we can. So even though that that is a a collector road by by default, the the volume on it is actually pretty minimal. So we we don't believe that that's going to be injurous to any of the population. If you go to the second page, you'll see that the entire frontage of the property is now currently a road cut. So vehicles are pulling in and out of there right up next to the intersection. we are going to get rid of that completely and um we we won't have uh that type of traffic coming in and out that close to an intersection. So it will be an improvement greatly on on what's

currently there. Uh the third one is the driveway widths. The um code um mandates that we do get a variance because our driveway width is larger than what's allowed. I believe it's 40 ft is what is the the maximum for a driveway width. But because of our turning radiuses, the trucks that we do have, if we ever get a ladder in there, we need to have at least that 51 ft for a truck to be able to pull out onto that. So, we are asking for up to a 51T width at the rightway line. And then the final one is is sight lighting. Um, this is more landscape lighting than than really sight lighting. We're not looking at putting in a lot of lights. I I do like the dark skies. I don't want to have a completely lit up area out in the middle of the county. So, um, but we do want to have some landscaping lights up on the building. Um, it's a it's a decent looking building and we do want to highlight that it is a fire station so that when the uh community is driving by it, they're able to see at night. We don't have people running around. You got the shades on it so it faces down.

Well, they're they're actually these are up lights. So, these are landscape lights that are mounted on the ground that are going up onto the side of the building. Okay. Are you going to tear down the old structure? Yes. Yep. Yep. After the after the new one is is built, uh the old one will get demolished. No, it's a public hearing. So, are you finished? Yep. for me questions on it either for guests. Okay. Can she ask a question about the lights? I have the same question cuz there are neighbors down the street some.

No, no, no. These aren't these are landscape lights. They're not solar. So, you do want them so that they are lighting up in the winter, but these are not 100 watt bulbs. The only question I have, I'm not sure if you're going to get into this or not. Uh I know it's a collective road, but it's rolled by the truck's pulling out. Is there any safety lights coming off?

Uh we we are looking just to to get a grant to put in an actuated where there's a red flasher that would be going off during the call. Currently, right now, we have nothing. So, the vehicles are pulling out and backing up. And in fact, if you've ever been by there during the call, you know, because of how close the fire station is, they actually pull on to 900 to back up and have to stop the traffic. So we that won't be a anymore.

Yeah, that that was concern. What's going to happen? We have emergency. It just takes one vehicle to fly down that and and I mean this station has been here since 55. School was built in the '7s. So, the these two uses have gotten along very well. [Music] I'd say that's a nice looking uh fire station. It's almost like the one in the Chesterton, right? Is it same concept or

uh Yeah, it's it's more it's it's a metal building. Um but we did dress it up to be sort of the middle part, you know, that kind of gets some elevation and brings up the bay area between the the fire station um administration and and quarters. [Music] 8. Okay, sounds good to me. It looks good. With that, I'd like to approve case DV-2025-56. Thank you very much. When When are you going to start? Uh soon. I think they're just waiting on the building permit with these with these uh variances and then they're we're able to start. Do you want to start? Y. Good luck.

All right. Thank you very much. Take care. Yeah, I'm sorry. [Music] This is yours.

Okay. In this case is NT-2025-57 applicant Joseph Warner location 730 West 900 South Indiana zoning RR.57 in question about construction 38x 48t structure to everything first increases maximum floor area. Second, the exterior finish not to match the closing assemble the finish for facade material used on the primary structure. Good afternoon. Uh Joseph Mer 730 West 900 South. Um as I'm sure you saw you visited the site, I have an existing pole barn of that dimension that is sitting there now. Um not in the best of condition. It's it's been there a long long time. Long before I lived there. Um, so looking to it, it it is also 3 foot off of the side and the rear setback currently the building that exists today. So what I'm looking to do is tear that building down, build a new one the same exact dimensions, but move it to to get the 15T setback correct on the two corners to make it more legal. I I know I'm over square footage, but I'm not looking to increase. I mean, the building's not a true rectangle today. It's It's got like a I don't know if you want to call it a lead to kind of projection on the side, but just to square that dimension and make a rectangle and move it and make it more compliant than what it is currently. Um I also have uh a form from most of the neighbors that are on my list that not only are not here to oppose but actually endorse. Do you have a picture of that?

on the computer. Yeah, it's a public hearing. Anybody want for or against? I don't see anybody. I'm approaching public hearing. The GI estimate just gives you the Again, this is a year 1844. I'm sorry. You you will be 1,844 square ft over the requirement. You're only allowed 1300 square ft of an accessory structure. You're already over with the one that you have. Well, you have you have a threecar garage there now. Three and a half, right?

Correct. Correct. Yeah. And you got this old old bullark. You're starting to demolish that now or over the weekend. Just started peeling siding. I've seen that. Yeah. Just started peeling sighting off. [Music] I mean, remodeling it, I guess, was an option, but the building's not in the greatest condition to do that. And it is arguably way too close to the property lines. Yeah. Except the surrounding house. Yeah. Yeah. But plus, you got like a shed attached to the back of that

to the side. There's like I guess you could call it a lean to No, the thing on the back. My neighbor leaned like the top of a camper or something against the back of the building. Okay. I couldn't tell what it was. It's like the roof of a pop-up camper. I see some backup side.

Did you construct a threecar garage or I'm sorry, did you construct? Everything was there when I bought the property 22 years ago. How many years ago?

22. I believe there 2008. and everything was there when I [Music] wor everything is wrong about that building where it sits it's too large or the condition of it is not the greatest [Music] and being an avid car collector but storage is what I need for parking vehicles so I said just just looking to replace it and make it more compliant than it is now. I'm understanding the square footage. We don't know that size of that building, do we? The pole bar.

Yeah. Existing one. Let me see. I can look at the property. The main rectangle is 40 by 48 by 30. And then it's got that little on the side of it. It's got like a if you want to call it. I think if you look at the record for my property, it calls it a tube. That's approximately 8 by 30, but it's it's not open on the outside. It's all part of the inside of the building. Detach garage detach garage. These are existing. This is the one place. [Music] Plus that it says Zoom on there. That side projection thing outside of the building,

but it's it's not open from the exterior. It's only put inside. [Music] That garage is only,000 square ft. 140. [Music] I think these two go together. I think barn. So how much is that all together? [Music] Suppose it's 18 * 18. Is that is that 28? Is that 280* 8?

Well, cuz it's got 30 48 by 8 ft. Yeah.

I'm assuming that's the height. Maybe it's 8 ft high. 85 ceiling currently would be about 8 ft high. I never seen up like that. Yeah. [Music] She goes [Music] 40. Okay. [Music] [Music] What's up, SP? 80. [Music] Is that 2760 if my math is correct? 2760 a year 48 * 30. Here's another issue. You got less than an acre.

She got less than an acre. I don't know. That's a lot of us research. I don't even know if the the uh impervious surface might even. We got a lot of buildings there. I was surprised to see the three car garage. [Music] So your building old building right now the numbers I come up with the lean to is let's see it's 2720. So yeah with that little lean to yeah we got a lot of money [Music]

and the amount you're involved is 13

barely he usually with an acre. So, a minimum, he doesn't even have an acre, but a minimum we allow everyone is 1300 ft², which is pretty big cuz I have one. It's a fourc car garage. Yeah. And that's right. Number 2760. That's what you have square feet. So here double your double years worth before you double correct and was like I said was there currently is borderline usable right it could be repaired but it's in pretty dilapidated shape and I'm just trying to make it usable even though I'm significantly over and you made a good point we had a case that got years ago those old building and they left one brick and rebuilt the building because it stayed with the the current the old co has is there a foundation under that or just dirt okay so it's not true so you may not fall under that I know where you're coming from you're saying I'm going to fix up the whole building right if you if I deny this you say I'm going fix up the whole building cuz it was there Was it there when you purchased it or

I think it's been there according to the record since like the mid80s or something. But you're removing it and there's no foundation. If I could build a new one. Yes. Yeah. See? So that's Well, so if I deny this, you would keep old and fixed it. But you saw it on it. See the problem? No. Yeah. Yeah. And ultimately, like I said, it's it's too close to the property. It's legal not conforming the way it is. Well, it's true, too. You're correct. It's legal. Where do we stand legally? I mean, can I deny it? Yeah, you can deny a new pull barn. I mean, deny the permit for him to re

But he but he construct he can rebuild what he's had what he has. That's right. Cuz it's there. No, he can't. Unless a form of nature were to take it down, he would still have to come in front of the court cuz he doesn't need our code. He's already over the square footage with the existing garage. He wants two garages. He doesn't have an acre. So, if he tears it down, no, he cannot just rebuild it because it was been in there for so long. Okay. But if he doesn't tear it down, if he doesn't tear it down and he wants to rebuild it, if they if he can get a permit for it, I don't I don't know. Because it is legal, non-conforming, and he is over.

I see. So he has to get permit. Yeah. I see what you're saying. Okay. So if I deny it, we can't get permit. Can't do anything cuz it's legal conforming once you unless you approve it. Again, [Music] I I understand I'm over square footage. You're a way over because you dump it. None of the neighbors have any objection. Can you make it smaller? There's to something nowhere close to getting conforming, right? Well, you're not conforming. No matter what you do, you're already overconforming. We can't talk about conforming. Yeah. Yeah. So,

you know, I think if I did the math right, if you if you do the math and you probably just watch the numbers, you know, 48 by roughly 38. Now, if I actually took the exact square footage of the building cuz it's not a true rectangle, I could shrink it and make it like 40 by 36 would give me roughly the same square footage that's technically there today. Allow me to move it off the setbacks, make it more compliant. and still have plenty of usable space to Can you make it 40 by 30? How are you meet your setbacks? Okay. Yeah, I can move it to meet the You didn't request though to have less setbacks.

Originally, when I first submitted this application, it was to just replace the building in the exact footprint that it's in now. But then I did some talked to some cold people and did some flammable and realized that I can move it to to make it compliant on setback. So I rescended my request for for 15 for the side and the rear. So you were meeting that now your height is down. Yeah. So you don't have to worry about that. And it was kind of, you know, triggering that I'm here asking you to deviate in my behalf. The least I can do is deviate from what is ideal to what is practical. But you're still double even with the exception of the square.

Yeah, it's a singer. Yeah, it's a sing. Yeah. So, [Music] you got that two, it's almost a threecar garage. Yeah. And really the way it's constructed, it's a big two. It's a big It's been a two and a half car garage. [Music] I mean there there's other similar structures on my street where people have old buildings. They only have one though. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. That's what I was looking for to see if they had any other structures, but most of them only have one structure. The neighbor 10 down I think has two garages. Two. I don't see no two. Oh, I see here. There's a

a garage with a garage behind it. Yeah. They look small though. I mean, if you could do one of those, he might work with you. Okay. A lot smaller. Mhm. Can you do a a 12,200 or 1300 square foot? That's still a good size. 1 1200's 30 by 40. Yeah. So, I would Yeah. If if you would if you would have grant me that approval today, I could shrink it to 40. Absolutely. That's fine. I mean, it's smaller and he's not he's meet the setback.

You need to You'll move it over. Yeah. Yeah. I'll meet the setback requirements front and side. I'll move it closer to the pole barn and probably if you look at the way it sets now, if you look at an aerial, I'll move the building over so it's kind of lined up with the back of the garage to the east. And and what side? 40 by 30. 40 by 30 [Music] and you would meet the setback. Absolutely. Meet the setback requirements. No, no height. No height overages. It's going to match the house.

That was the other question there was originally I was going to site it like a burnt orang-ish and charcoal gray trim which is what I intend to resite my house as. So, I was just trying to be ahead of the game because if I sight it tan and brown or whatever, now it's going to not match in a year and a half or whatever. They will match. Yes. I've got a couple windows left to replace in my house and I'd have to recite it. Y Okay, that's a plan. And be used just for personal storage signed document. Yep. No business card collection. I'm good.

Okay. I'm good. Okay. I'd like to approve HDV-2025-57 [Music] with understanding uh using constructive homework uh 40 by 30. Okay. And it will be uh there will be no u bearances for setbacks from your sides setback sideyard or your setback. You would meet both of those. Correct. There will be no height. Must meet all the codes. Yeah. All Yeah. Including the facade. Yeah. Okay. All right. And the sign document is

you'll need to go change your application too and resubmit plans and everything. So you'll re just resubmit the whole application with the new um proposed location and what you're building and size and everything. Okay. So you're approved. Thank goodness. Okay. Back to case DB-2025-55 [Music] Caroline Stone. Uh, yeah, we have nothing from Temans. I'm sorry. You're confused with something. I'm not confused. Well, we you are cuz we don't have anything. So, if Temans can email us something, then we can look at it. But we have nothing to look at at this point.

I This was a huge I bought them from Tim. So, I will go to them and ask them to replace it. Who' you give it to? Do you remember in the front office? We only have three people up there. No, I don't remember who. We don't have it. Okay. If you bring in I'm going continue this, you know, where you stand. Okay. Any questions? Okay. So, continue it. I have to come to the next meeting next month. Yeah. If you have survey, we need a survey first so I can see what you're talking about. I have no idea what you're talking I've never seen and if you don't have one, then you might want to request one cuz we're going to need the building on the survey to see what the setbacks are.

Okay. So, and how close can I go to the house? I how close can I go to the house? Yes, close to the house. And then uh I made agreement. Same size as the original. Okay. 80 which is still 613 ft. Okay. Yeah. But I'm saying how how many people are not the house? What's what's the requirement? What should be? Yeah. What is the requirement? Is it is it 20 or 30 or um I would have to ask the building commissioner. I think it's probably 10 about 10. Okay. 10 maybe 15. I'm not sure. We have to find out what it is. Yeah. Okay.

Why don't you call the office tomorrow? Okay. Talk to the building there. Yeah. I prefer not to see a a variance on the side. No, no, that's fine. I mean, I have no problem moving closer to the house. Yeah. How close can I go? Go the house. Well, you have 36 ft. Yeah. You got So, you go 20 ft away, 25. I mean, I understand you do that. But you also use as a garage, so

Yeah. No, that's fine. I I have no problem. So, that's that's fine. Okay. With that, I'm going to continue with case-25-55. [Music] Okay. All right. And the next meeting, do we know when that is? No. Uh, as soon as you get that survey, email it to Monica or I or bring it in, however you want to do it. Um, and then we can get it to Rick so he can look it over and review it and make sure we have everything we need so we don't have to continue it. Yeah. If we have to renotice or anything, we'll continue. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you.