Board of Zoning Appeals Hearing Officer - Regular Meeting

Good afternoon folks. Follow me or the first item is the pledge. Stand up and say the pledges. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Any uh correspondence at this time? No. Okay.

Okay. Both cases are public hearings. So I have to read the rules of conduct. Bear with me. Public hearing before the board. The petitioner or proponent shall first present the facts, arguments in support of the case. Those who oppose the petition shall fall. The petitioner shall have a follow time at the conclusion of those opposing the petition. Those opposed shall then be allowed a total maximum of 10 minutes to invite any new statement made by the petitioner in this rebuttal. It [clears throat] should be within the discretion of the board to impose any kind limitation on either the petitioner or respondent and to limit public time to those determined by the state statute to interest interested parts. Ready shall be accepted by the board but need not to be read into the board's record. Then this concludes the public hearing. To maintain orderly procedure, each site shall proceed without interruption by others. All materials presented by the petitioner or remmonstrators or supporters to the petition including photographs shall become property of the board and part of the record. Okay, with that the first case is DB2026-1. Applicant is Danke. Okay. 614 North 50 West Vapoy Township. Z RR residential district acreage 0.47 47 request to reduce the required sideyard setback from 30 ft to 15.08 ft and to exceed the 20% of previous surface

coverage in order to allow the construction of the new primary structure. Okay, sir state your name and address. Yeah, Donic NA 614 North 50 West DM 46 385. Um, we're coming before you guys today because uh we are requesting variance on as you said on uh the setbacks as well as the inveria service coverage for our lot. Uh late 2024 we had a house fire. Um the house was torn down and we're building a new structure in the on the existing lot. Uh we are part of Woods Wing Creek subdivision. Uh that subdivision has covenants and restrictions. Um those covenants and restrictions in a 15 ft offset from the uh south south building line. Um the existing house that we had uh previously before the fire was 15 ft out of that south um outside the lot. Uh we're just building the house basically almost in the exact same spot. Uh the difference is that because we're building a new structure uh we have to abide by the U code and so uh in that regard um we're requesting that variance for the setback. Uh the other request that we're making is for the impervious surfaces. Uh the home that we are uh attempting to build on that lot is slightly larger than the previous home. Um but the previous home already did not conform to the UDL code. So it I believe was um 24.1% of the lot coverage. Uh we have my lot and the lot behind me in our subdivision are two of the smallest lots

in the subdivision. Uh we are 47 acres and I believe the uh Uber requires larger lot sizes for rural residential as is. So we're we're already operating on a much smaller lot than would be in rural residential. Uh we are operating under the constraints of we're on a septic system. The existing septic system is there uh with a th00andgallon tank. Um, we are requesting, you know, we're building the same same number of bedrooms and bathrooms and for updated health codes, that tank needs to be larger, over 50 gallons, I believe. And so, we have to put a new septic in as well. And so, we're doing all of that on a much smaller lot um than rural residential currently allows for, but of course, none of that is that's it's the existing lot that's in there. So, um, we are requesting that we put the house where we're putting it, uh, because of those reasons and, uh, I don't know, Brad, you want to add to that, but that's generally uh, our robust.

Yes. So, what we've seen, oh, my name is Brad Spiegel. Um, 73 terrorists. Um, I'm the architect on the project. um we designed this the house to fit with their family and uh conform to basically the size of the footprint of the house as it as it was original. Um what what I what I see is in the uh for rural residential that we're about half the size of the lot you pro the allowable size the lot. So, we're we're squeezing a lot onto this this piece [clears throat] of property. So, um that's we're we're trying our our overall coverage for the house um and driveway are about 17 or 27%. The existing was 24%. Um so, we're we're we're close to where we were with the existing house. Um there's a potential for a patio and a pool, but um for for the essential parts of the project, the house, the driveway, um front walkways, we're at about 27%.

Do you have any questions? I already [clears throat] answered. It's a public hearing, so I want to public. Anybody like to speak in favor of this case? In favor of this case. Yes, sir. State your name and address, please. George, come up to the speaker. Microphone. Are you here for the first case or the second case? Um, you're here for the I'm here for the property in Wheeler. Okay. Well, that's separate. Yeah. Okay. That's why I was confused. Okay. Somebody apologize. That's okay. Somebody did sign in. Brad, you're okay. Can you for the project? Yes.

Anybody want to speak against this case or any questions? Say no public hearing. Okay. Repeat that again, sir. About the coverage. The original coverage of the house was 24%. And this is 27%. Right. Right. So, if you look at the original house and driveway, that was at 24.1% coverage. Um, right now with the new design, the house, the driveway, and the front walkway, we're at 26 27.8%. Um, but that does not include

that's not including a patio, a patio and a pool. Overall, if you consider the house, front walkway, patio, driveway, and pool, we're looking at 34%. Yeah, that's high. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm looking at listening to you and and you know, Chris and I talked we can live at 27%. You get up to 34%. That's that's it's a high number. Well, and it's only high because of the size of the lot, right? I understand. It is what it is. And we have your long-term plans here. It's a swimming pool, you know, and a patio. I'm sure you'll put patio in, I assume. Right.

Right. Swing pool. Is that for sure? Uh we we don't have current plans to put that in there. But since we're we're here today, No, you're being up front. Sure. Now, there's a shed also for the back of the property. Should that stain or Oh, that'll be removed. That be removed. Okay. Now let's talk about your subject system. I assume this indication by your subject system. Okay. Be it's going to be enlarge also. Right.

Right. Right. Yeah. By health code requirements we have to build a larger. So we went back and forth with uh with um the company they they designed so solutions. There were there were four different iterations that we went through to try to fit the uh sucket system on the lot. And what they came up with and the reason why we need to maintain that 15t offset of the the southern part of the lot is because that septic system is going to have to wrap around that side of the house. Uh we're we're constrained because we have an existing septic that's there with laterals in the backyard and it would be uh a cost superseding it like going considerably over what insurance is willing to pay to dig that out and put a new septic in there. So what we propose is putting a septic along that side of the property um you know over the top of the waddles that are existing

have been approved. Yeah. health department. We have a we have a plan for our kind of design here. Yeah, you can see from that that we're we're right at the uh the perimeter drain is right at the lot lines around there. So that injuries our constraint. Is this a M system? Uh above grade conventional system. I think they said above ground.

Above ground. It's a mountain [clears throat] above ground subject system. You have to have a move over area like below ground. You have to have an area failure to put in. Yeah. So this is a presby system. So it uh the the 100% overage is built within the same area. So within the foot the same foot. That's over cuz if you're going to be tight, right? If this is approved, you're going to be tight, right? Does he say that on that approval? Is there a move over?

Um, how much do you need for move over? Well, it's within Yeah. Within what you're looking at all is is Yeah. within that footprint

and your tank will be in the same location. I'm sorry. [clears throat] Your tank should be the same location as your current tank, I believe. So, yes. [clears throat] As you can see that we're we're kind of limited on where we can put the the house on the lot. How many square feet is that? So curious the new house versus the the original house was uh 28 uh above grade square footage was $24.98

and the footprint the footprint of the house including the garage $24.98 for the old house. And this one's at 32.94. Quite a bit larger.

Oh well. Um reason for that is uh I'm I have a family base and so um you [clears throat] know after the after the house fire our options were basically uh you know we could attempt to try to rebuild the house as it was uh which was already a constraint with the kids and potentially sell that house and try to find another home in Valo. Um, I'm in real estate, so I know the the challenges of that and being able to find a home that fits everybody. So, uh, we saw this as our, you know, the only option that we really had was to rebuild and then, uh, we just took it [clears throat] to design to build a house that meets the needs of our family that we can stay. Um, and so that's the reason why we elected to go that route.

Yeah, I understand. I understand that. Uh just a concern as swimming pool in the future. You're going to have to have a bearings and it's not automatic cuz you got a lot of coverage right now. Yeah. So what size patio are you is that the first straw or is it a different patio? The uh patio on the back of the house it's uh 14 by 16. Okay. It's what you're showing me right here. Correct. Okay. right here in this corner, right? So that's not in your calculation. I'm sorry. No, it's not. Yeah, I understand what

the uh it's actually this this P. Okay. And that's not in your calculation. It it is it is in that original 27% in the 27. Yes. the 27. It's like the swimming pools now. It's not and does the concrete sidewalk in the porch that everything's in here except the rain. Correct. And the shed. Yeah, the shed's gone. The shed's already gone. Yeah.

Is it for sure you going to build a swimming pool or is that your finally got the large large family? Uh that's that's uh trying to keep the kids at home. That I understand above ground swing doesn't make a difference, right? We still the coverage has a ground. I believe that's correct. Yeah.

Well, and you can approve it without the pool and then they could come back because they didn't really ask for coverage with the pool. So, we can't really include the pool. That's not wasn't advertised with that coverage. So, if they do get the pool, then they'll have to come back and get another variance because they're over the sideyard setback anyway. So, they would have to come back. Okay. You understand what she's saying? You did not advertise it was a straight. Okay. The coverage. The coverage. Okay. Okay. So, we're not going to approve straight. Okay. My my understanding on that not forbearance. Okay. Sure. And they're going to look at the the total coverage. Yeah.

Okay. At that time. Okay. Okay. With that, I will approve case TV-2026-1 with understanding you're going to remove the the shed. What size is that? 8 8 by whatever the rear shed. You know what size? I see 8.2. 8 by 12. 8 by 12. then remove that uh before you uh start construction or when do you want to start construction? We're hoping to start March 1st. Um we'll need utilization of the shed for the during the build and then a room.

Okay. How about we move the shed 30 days after the seal? What do you think? Is it before seal? before um before. Mhm. The shed the shed sits currently on where the septic system's going anyway. Right. Right. Okay. So anyway, I have to make a you know some type of statement here. So the shed will be removed before you uh see all these issues. Yes. Okay. And the swing is not included in this motion. If you want that swimming pool at a later date, you have to come back ask for bearings. Okay.

You need a side jar set back for that pool anyway. So, you would have to come back and that wasn't advertised in the Yeah, you're right. It wasn't on your application. Okay. So, I'm approving the sideback from uh from 30 ft to 15.01 01 and I'm approving you're going to have 27% uh coverage I mean service period service. Okay. So that's okay. You're approved. Thank you. Good luck. Now is that the existing hole in the ground or is that new hole for the foundation?

That was the uh the original home. We knocked it down and dug out the uh the original foundation or it was a a B level. So, oh yeah, we had the activator.

Yeah, thank you. desk-2026-2 at the temple is Kansas by LLC of Kevin McB and ship located northwest township zone CC commercial district 150 request to allow for two commercial structure prevailing from the following Section 2.34 sidey guard set back less than required for f section 2.34 surface coverage exceeding the maximum allow 75% section 3.06 C1A buildings that do not match each other in design or style section 3.06 46 C1 CI use of appear submit three approved facade material section 3.06 C1 CI relief from meeting facade standard on all sides of the building section 3.06 C1D a building designed within eight corners section 3.06 06 C1G UV from Pacific R standards section 3.06 F1A building height of less than 26 ft or two stories section 3.06 G2A relief of specific landscaping and 100 ft green belt requirement section 3.06 06 K2 relief from standard setback requirements.

We got more section

section 5.04F placement of structure within the front yard. Section 5.06c structure with a cumulative square footage exceeding 50% of the primary structure. Section 3.07 07 B 5.22F and 7.27 relief number four plan requirements and last section 7.25 to fight the requirement to provide an interior and exterior pedestrian network. here. [laughter] Um, attorney Adam Gordon here on behalf of Fisher Property Prince LLC Kevin Coros McMah Associates 952 South Indiana [clears throat] trying to catch you guys are pretty deep. So he's well above my favorite. That's why he's here.

Sword and Law Service. I do not work for Sword and Law [laughter] at this moment.

Oh, okay. Um anyway, yeah, it's The reason it's a long list is because for whatever reason, even though we're one full lot back from 130, the way the UDO reads, it's by distance. We get caught up in the Overland District. 113. Um, just as a housekeeping item, because I met with Kevin before coming up here, there is actually one order that's not on there. And we only looked at this because um, we look at the property and I do this the same because um, I know the business owner that's there is all one site, but it's actually two bar schools. So, the Boomerang site that has the uh, South Tower and the one building in the southeast corner. Monica, can you zoom in on that a little bit?

Yeah. You see how it's kind of like a, you know, it's like a shape. I call it blue. Um, that building is currently there is an accessory structure. So, there isn't actually a principal structure unless for whatever reason under the old UDO, they qualify the current accessory structure or maybe even the cell tower as a primary structure, but I don't think that's accurate. Um, so we just wanted to be transparent on that. I I don't think that's an issue because regardless whether we're looking at it as boomerang site for both pieces of the whole property that's owned by my client, it's legal not for me. Um, and to be fair, Miss Al didn't have the accessory structure in your comment. I think we might have missed it on the publication side. So if that is a technical issue, there are solutions for that that we can talk about in the presentation if that is a concern. Uh the good thing is is that they're a contiguous owner and obviously the smaller parcel which is also legal non-conforming has principal structures on it. Um so with that being said, um Mike, you can leave this up. I'll just kind of shoot you a note [clears throat] when we switch over to PowerPoint.

Uh the system's down. I apologize. And then I will turn my laptop before technology failed us. Can we plug directly into the TV? Would that be better? No. Face is enough. I'm not an IT. I'm sorry. Um, so just real quick, the the boomerang site, as I'll refer to it, it's 1.5 acres. Um, it is currently zoned um commercial. the land across directly across the street. It's owned by Union Township. Is there a reason why they didn't combine them?

I don't think they've ever been combined. So that I actually know the history on this property. So before the current owner, it was owned by um a gentleman who ran an auto body repair shop out site for many, many, many years. Fell ill. Then they had a renter in there running a similar business that fell through.

Powder coating. Uh, I think there was a couple different things going on there at the time, but the original owner felt ill deceased. Bailey kept it and then the daughter started renting it out and then Wallace Auto that used to be down 130 closer to city limits moved his entire operation out there cuz it could all be in one spot. Um, and that's the current tenant primary user right now of the existing buildings. when the new owner came in and bought it from essentially the estate or the trust or whatever it was and held title right to lawless um and my understanding is Lawless Auto is planning on remaining there in in all three buildings which are on both sides. So the building that we were discussing earlier is on a principal structure he is operating that building as a lease. Um,

I didn't know financially if it would be uh better for them to combine them or if they had plans in the future with taxes and storm water fees and stuff. You just caught that today. I mean, obviously by consolidating it streamlines some of the fees and the taxes. So, I it's an option. Yeah, exactly. That's why I was saying if we get into that there's a concern because of what is or isn't on there. I mean, we it just you guys, as you know, condition consolidation. It's just going to save him money and it can't resolve the president structure issue. Uh the only thing that would do to the metrics for today's discussion is it increases the acreage. Not by a whole lot. It might get it up to just shine too.

Yeah.

Um anyway, so that's kind of the context historical. So northwest of there is obviously making farm ground, but it is actually zoned rural residential currently. Um and then of course on the uh south side of 130 is another automotive repair place Acura their zone commercial and then everything south of them is actually industrial that kind of continues southeast as you go down towards into the wheeler. So it's kind of an interesting mix right around this area for uses. Um I know you guys are probably ask this place many many times at 130. If you blink you missed it. it sits down. So to graphically it's lower. Um one of the issues that came up uh through the process and really the reason I got involved in this is because of the drainage goes through the site there needed I guess to be a a drainage ement. That's why Kevin is here so we get to very technical on that. Um I've got a legal description for that. We're ready to do uh an easement agreement. I know Dave Champions reviewed this from a store standpoint. Um, and obviously I would say whatever your decision is today from an approval standpoint, I would say needs to be conditioned on the drain easement aspect coming into play because he's made a record of that that should be in your packet for today. Um, but we do have that information in place. Um, what I can tell you is, and I can speak to this just because I've spoken with uh the owner of the auto repair that's been there now I think 3 years is when they started doing the site work out here with the drainage issues that were identified, they went through and they I want to say they upgraded the the drainage infrastructure. This site used to be a mess when it came to rainfall in the water. um from talking with the tent since being there and getting these new pipes in the ground, but you can actually see the really large manhole. It's right on the corner there in the ox

hole of the of the parcel that set for today. Um it can rain like crazy and they're not getting any flooding either in that parking lot around those buildings or in the back of the site. Um, and I think that was one of the major concerns was the amount of volume that can come through here because they're kind of the end stage, but they do have the infrastructure because they're right along 625. Um, that's been a huge improvement. So, anything that we do from a drainage standpoint and the water utilization on the site is going to incorporate what's already there. Um, obviously we have buildings that have started uh construction. Um, they are to be used for outdoor storage. Um, we know that the stop place kind of went in because I guess the building permit wasn't actually fully paid for, picked up, but then we ran into the issue over the duration of the easement and that's that's kind of what brought everything involved. There hasn't been any ongoing construction out there at this point. Um, but as far as structure goes, um, again, a lot of these variances, if we took away the overlay, which, you know, Kevin and I discussed this, if we accessed 130, which we don't, we only come off the 625 through the other parcel. um to be subject to the overlay requirements when all you can see as you drive by the site from 130 is that cell tower is not not a good look. Him actually building the building that's nearly completed actually screens all that. So it actually improve it improves the visual aesthetic when you drive up there. Um I did have pictures if you want to see them. Um but when you're interior to the site looking back through the three buildings the wall saw utilizes his uh metal scene siding color orientation everything matches identically those existing buildings. Um so when you start taking away all the

overlay requirements if we were coming in without that the only thing we'd really be in here on would be the height issue. Uh these are clearly over 20 ft in height. Uh but when you look at what's existing out there, ironically, almost all three of those buildings are accessory structures that have been repurposed. I think the main large building is partially black wall, but it still has a u metal seat boulevard that's attached on the lean to that's been fully enclosed. The heights of these buildings uh kind of match the aesthetic uh with this site. And then we've got other sites just up the road where we've got really large egg and multi-use barns and front yards that are like 25 and 30 ft in height. I had those pictures too. Um, so from my standpoint, if we kind of ignore for a second a lot of these overarching requirements that had this site actually been along one, I say, "Yeah, we have to comply. We have to screen it. We have to make it look nice." You can't even do them in this site. Um, and that's one of the things that I dislike about the distance aspect of the UDA overlay. If you get properties like this, especially through Wheeler, we have a lot of these, they just kind of get caught up even though they're removed right from that primary cord. So, really, it's just about the height and then the conditions that cause a stop work on the drainage aspect. Um, I do have David Champion's letter here with that information if we need to go through it. But I think as you guys know, he thoroughly looks at all this. He's got uh Kevin's data numbers run between impervious site rooftops. Uh, ironically with them building the buildings there with the surface that currently exists, the impervious surface already existed before the buildings were in. So I don't know that that really I think I even saw a chart from an assessment that my client had done the impact that this building would have was a very small

increase on storm water range impact to the total site which again I think is big on nuclear with the increased pipe size to connect the infrastructure out by 6.5. Um, so with that, we're looking for a favorable recommendation because to me, I think this helps cleans up the site and they can get this project finished in pretty much short order and the sites really already configured for use like this just given its history and they will not performing an awkward shape and a you have some pictures. Yeah, I do. Yeah. Let me um

I'll turn these around. Yeah. And and just to note on the head that we do have substantial conformance from data champion as as the final bottom line with the exception of what gets approved here. So we do drainage. So we do have substantial performance there.

So and I'll talk loudly so everybody can hear and I'll try to show this. So the dumpster picture here, this is actually the plumber. So he's the the parcel that's just south. So he's really at the corner of 130 and 625. So this is looking his direction. That's his building. But then when we pivot, this is the smaller building in the front parcel that's not actually on the property. But I wanted to show for visual context lawless auto having all these, you know, the color, the aesthetic, the the vertical seam on the main building. So this is all from that parking lot area where that 178's on on the aerial and then going into the site past their security fences. Um, so this is looking down the north side of the site with the one building that was under construction. You can see the cell tower in the back. They that's where they stopped. This building then is the one on the south that currently you can see driving at 130 and you can see the back of the building. Um, that's the framing for this guy. And then this is the back side of if you go through Lawson's building, not through the gate and come out the back garage to access the rear of the site. So just another perspective of those existing conditions. Again, those buildings, the [snorts] fact that they have vertical metal seams. This is an actual accessory structure on that um boomerang site. And then I have the calculations again to the actual impact that Kevin worked with Kevin on for storm water drainage. I see.

And if you want, just given we presented that, I'll put this on a thumb drive and give to you guys so you have it for the record.

Thank you. It's a uh public hearing by all state in favor of this case. Yes, sir. We speakers by the by Monaco there. Good afternoon. My name is George. I'm Union Township Trustee. Uh the park across the street from there is uh is the Union Township Community Park. And um there's a few questions that I have. One is the Willow Creek Parkway Extension uh which is uh in progress. I'm not sure how how much is in progress, but we should find out very soon. I wonder what impact that will have on the project. Uh we just spent a significant amount of money on drainage and I think the drainage runs from Joe Burgers's farm through the park across the street. I know I've had extensive conversation with Kevin Ry the surveyor over over the years where it's been a problem with flooding. I think that's been corrected. Um and of course we just took care of broken tiles and all that sort of thing. So uh the other thing is uh what is the proposal for what type of business rule either? Will this continue to be bombless or will it be investing in the business uh or um uh let's see drainage and those are some of the concerns that I have on behalf of the township. So, and also just to alert the fact that the Willow Creek extension, uh, we've got a lot of money invested in it, and I don't know how that will impact the property because I don't know the specifics of where it will, you know, what the projects are, what impact

it may have. That's that's what I have. Thank you. I appreciate anybody else out there in the audience. So, you want answer those questions, please?

Yes. Uh so right now Lawless Auto is the primary uses there. Um they're not planning on leaving. So the the buildings that are going up um they're going to be used for outdoor storage primarily. So this they will be open air. They weren't going to be fully enclosed. Um so things like boats or RVs. I know that Wallace Auto has given my client an indication because of the volume of their work times. they may actually rent some of those space just to have extra space since it is already a secure site. Um, and they would have to go through that location. Um, it's obviously not this is not a very large storage facility. Um, and it can't be just in that nature. So, I think that's that's going to be in essence the the one change for use here with the primary user being logged. That's not going to be changing. And obviously the cell tower site isn't going for at least anytime soon. Um glad to hear that the observation has been since the new pipes went in and the busted drain tiles to fix the drainage has been approved. Willow Creek, uh it's here. It's gone. It's here. It's gone. Um I don't know if you have anything real specific on it. I know we've discussed and looked at what happens when the rightway expands if it goes to 40. Um it it would impact a little bit of the site as it relates to some of the parking in front of the main building, but the buildings can all remain through multiple points inressing can get addressed if and when that actually comes to fruition. That's a good point to note that first uh Susan's email we are dedicating 40 foot right away as part of this project. So that's 40 foot half right away on our side. So

that would be subject to 80ft total wide right of way. So I'm assuming that that comment was put on there in forward thinking of what [clears throat] may or may not come through here as that meeting the rightway covers uh I believe the air the arterial thorough bear uh map. So that's a very wide random way for a county road such as this. Yeah. So I mean we're kind of already beginning forward thinking on that. That's right. That comment then would be related to what has always been envisioned for the will of brief extension if and when it comes. Um so as far as what other impacts that may or may not have I mean it be speculation. You know we've seen different versions of that or iterations different locations where it's supposed to come down. Um I I think the other comments were just observations. I think I covered everything.

So, thanks to Grant. Did you cover all your questions there?

I I may have additional information about the Willow Creek. I am on a planning commission, regional planning commission. So, there's there's a lot of factors that go in there, but um acquisition of property would possibly begin this year. Okay. So, I don't know what the impact is. I don't know the specific footprint. Um that would be a question for the commissioners and for the uh the engineers that uh have laid it out and I think the problem is pretty well settled if all continues to progress. I think we're it's it's close.

So then in that last iteration is that 80 then coming down the intersection? I I don't know much about that project at all, but but again, this is not an arterial roadway as dedicated on the repair map. So, the request for 40T rideway tells me that there's seems to be some obvious plan that you know our our typical rightway here would be 30 at most on a well it is 30 on a local road. Uh so we're far exceeded we're far exceeding that which tells me that there is at least from your guys inside there was probably some forward thinking on on that for the request of the 40 right

I don't mean to put you on the spot but do you know if where was proposing to connect or intersect with 130 was 80 I I can this I know there's four phases of the project phase one end just north of that property phase two is a bridge at this point uh is still in progress with the engineering, but I think that's pretty well determined. And then phases three and four take would take down 30. Um but only phase one, I can't remember exactly where we are in the funding process, but there's a lot of money that's already projected for the completion of this phase one and phase two. There's a lot of money in the bridge which would uh maybe give you a covered parking lot.

Well, if it's anything like the one south no I can't remember. Well, I I can't tell you exactly, but there is a there is a rendering uh online that you can take a look at. I don't know how how close that ties into your specific location, but it gives you a general idea. I'd be happy to talk to you about it. You guys are going to have what we know because you guys are going to have an access issue to

uh well I can tell you I can talk to you about it later because we we had made arrangements for a post office to be located on that park and uh that has been suspended with the current administration reevaluating uh potential projects. So that would be across the street directly across the street um on the northwest corner of our park. So I I looked at it for quite a long time. So the postal service I'm going to close a public hearing and see what else we talk appreciate. Thank you. You're welcome. So he brings up a good good point that the extension are we going to have are we going to have an issue in the future? You're saying no because you dedicated 40 ft

and and if you look at the proposed plan, the existing structure that's there is uh considerably further to the west. So, and of course, again, it's all said like it's all speculation. We have no idea the full potential of that if the county is going to be purchasing property contact point for more specifics on that. If the countyy's going to be purchasing property, they build these structures. I mean, we we had to go, you know, we had to purchase it, right? Correct.

Yeah. So, so [clears throat] the way and I do this too. I've got cases right now for widening road through state. Um, it's a public project. So, the way the tapings law works is if it's for public say, hey, we're taking all of it or 50% of your property for whatever as long as it's for public. It goes through an appraisal process. Fair market values assess based off what's there. Um, so whether the buildings are there or not, it'll be based on fair market value. So it is what it is. And again, it is speculative. I mean, we I I remember back when this all started and they thought it was going and then it went away and it's back and it sounds like plans are getting developed. I mean, we all know what little bridges cost to cross the ditches. So I can only imagine doing it over and starting back substantial.

Yeah, it's many many many millions. So, you know, and and at that point, if there's going to be as big of a bridge as what's also I30 there that crosses over in the railroad in the railroad, I mean, it's it's a significant structure. Um that's that's going to probably impact depending on how they design it, it could be an entire impact where they have to take the whole property. So but at this point if it doesn't come to fruition what we got to do

we get different decisions and then you know choose not to move forward. I mean that's a good point. I mean, two too open air and these really aren't like finished with all the bells and whistles like some of the other things I've come in on. I mean, from a cost standpoint, replacement cost, that's about as cheap as you're going to get. So, compared to probably 20 or 30 million plus bridge is a drop in the bucket. Okay. Uh to drainage that you know results. Okay.

Yeah. We we have a easement agreement in place at the south joining uh neighbor that uh is ready to be finalized as soon as this easement is that yeah the exhibit's already created easement's already been uh we've got language for it has parameters I just haven't drafted any when we came in we have to come to this step I didn't want to finalize anything if anything else came up or you guys wanted something different because you have the ability to put conditions as you Um, so I didn't want to finalize anything and have to go back and redo it.

Like I said, we have substantial performance from from Champion. So he's he's seen our proposed layout. He's seen the numbers. We've given him uh kind of roughs of the drafts of easements and and Okay. This these buildings be for storage, cold storage. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. And outside storage outside or not? I mean really the only outdoor store you have going on right now are the vehicles that are there for the actual business that's allowed for the for the you mention RVs and campers so they want to do something insight they're going to be Yeah. So they're they're kind of like they explain it and you correct me if I'm wrong but they're kind of like oversized animal bugs. So they're going to be three sides closed. So you put the vehicles under roof just to keep them out of the direct element. So

but they won't be sticking out. No, no, they're not going to be sticking out. I mean, it's almost like a rubber company. Yes, sense what you're saying.

And in fact, with the way they have it laid out, they can't have anything sticking out of the building up south because it's impacting the access back to the cell tower site. So they have issues with cell tower contractors with companies. And then the one on the north side because the way These guys agree with Wallace Auto with how they move vehicles in and around through the secure premises. They can't be blocked from anything. I guess I'm struggling with internal storage, cold storage, exterior because really it's only three sided to me is possible you can look at is outside storage because it's not covered all four all four sides. So is it really interior exterior? No, it's it's got to be all indoors.

You can't you can't you can't have outdoor storage. Yeah. And that's really you can't have somebody camper there storing it. I mean outdoors outdoor. So you got to agreement on that. Okay. So and if you want to change that in the future, you want outdoor storage, you could come in for a use and allow outdoor storage or don't want it. Don't want it. So you'll close the whole building, sir. Okay. So we're under the same assumption then that you'll be fully full on closed ability. Go ahead and do it. So cold storage but but fully dealership. Yeah. That make I mean it just makes it cleaner. Absolutely. Okay.

And we don't have people coming complaining. [laughter] And I tell you where I'm coming from. There was a storage yard in the city not too far from here. Numbers I'm talking about. And what complaints do they have? I mean, it look really terrible. I think it's gone. I think it's right around to go out, you know, behind the concrete company. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's there's actually Was that foreign law? NO. [laughter]

NO, I'm up in Liberty. My D's outside Rich [laughter] Trying to get my tractor in my barn. serving you a red bag, right? [laughter] Okay. So, we're clear. These buildings will remain closed and closed. Yes, sir. Okay. Completely. Okay. No open. All right. And I had to ask a question. How did you get started without permit? I'm sorry. How did you get started construction without permit? How did I get started in construction? Without a permit.

Without the permit. Totally not by doing. I'm going to tell you right now. What happened was I bought the when I bought the property I bought the material from Menards to have a building. I specifically told Menards that you're I'm not going to buy this and not do not send it unless I have a permit. Menards sent me a person that can build the pole bars. I specifically told him that very thing. Next thing I know, and he told me, he told me it was my fault for not seeing the permits themselves, but he told me that he had the numbers and the permits ready to go. And I said, "Okay." So, I ordered a bull barn and came. They started building it. Next thing I know, I get a call from order company and they tell me, "You don't have permits." That's insanity. You know what I mean? That's insanity. I never ever would allow that to happen. Never. And I mean that's just ridiculous. I mean this is what happened. So that's what happened, you know.

Yeah. When I drove by and sh [laughter] they had told me they had permit what's what's the issue? What happened? I'm like called him and then I had to talk to the builder. Yeah. It's interesting how that happened because they do have he does have permanent number. They just never they came in and paid and picked them up which I think would have then resulted in a conversation about needing to be here. Okay. See how we going to handle the cell tower. How we going to handle the cell tower? It wasn't advertised. What are we going to call it? The what?

The cell tower going with what is it? Oh, you're No, you're talking about the accessory structure. I'm sorry.

Yeah. Yeah. I I mean, look, if there's a concern on that, it Well, we didn't really get into this, but I mean, if if they ask you to consolidate one parcel, it saves you from duplicative storm water and other taxes. So, actually your taxes for the site to it resolves this whole not having a variance from the principal structure, meaning everything that you have on the Boomerang piece is accessible that there's not a primary structure. Bottom line, Kevin, is if I do what we do, we were talking about the same money, right? Yeah, that's a no. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Exactly.

Unless you wanted to sell a parcel in the future or something and you don't want to combine them and you want to but you could always come back and subdivide it. But if you wanted to leave them split in case you wanted to you have plans to sell them in the future or something, I wouldn't recommend combine them together. But if you don't have any plans on trying to make money on it, then I would combine it together. That way you have one tax bill, one fee for storm water, one fee for recycle, and it's all on one. Makes sense. So we can just tell them to combine it. It doesn't cost anything to combine either. You know, I know government likes me and

and reality is the way it's being operated was how he's got the tenant in there. They're on both sides of it anyway. So, I mean, they're treating it as one piece. So, you're suggesting combine both parcels. Okay. And you're in agreement with them? Yes.

Okay. All right. I'd like to make a motion first of case DB- 2026-2 with combining the two partial is is one. Um drainage you said drainage easement sign. Okay. And um the type of business is is storage in internal storage and the storage the buildings will be completely enclosed for storage. So there is no outside storage. With that I I will approve case DB-2026-2 is approved. Is that missing? Thank you.

No, I didn't. Monica, do you have a a copy of what I advertised? Was that part of the green card they gave you? Um, what's that?