Planning and Zoning Board - Regular Meeting

Good morning. A quorum being present, the October 9 construction board of appeals meeting will come to order. We have the roll call, please.

Chair Larson?

Here.

Vice chair Silvestri? Here. Mister Mahood?

Here.

Mister Martinez? Mister Noboli? Here. Mister Ilg? Here. And please let the record reflect that mister Williams is not present.

Can we stand for the pledge of allegiance? I have a motion to approve or discuss the minutes of July 10 meeting.

I'll make a motion to approve.

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

All opposed? Ayes have it. Do we have any additions or deletions to our agenda today?

So yes, we will be I'm pulling, if possible, item 7E, Mr. Altier, he did sign the citation requesting a hearing. And we would like that to be pulled from the consent agenda and moved to item 10B under citation hearings.

So we're moving seven a to 10 b for today.

So when there's a when we get to item seven for the approval of the consent agenda, A motion would need to be made to approve the consent agenda with moving item seven e to 10 b so that when we get there, that would be the motion.

Okay. So we need a motion now to approve or discuss the consent agenda moving item 7E to 10B in the agenda. May I have a motion?

Or there's also, for point of information, you could also discuss the consent agenda. So if there's any other, citation orders that you want to pull to discuss individually, you may do that as well. However, if there is no other further discussion on any of the consent agendas, then yes, chair, that would be the correct motion.

Alright. Do we have a motion to discuss anything on the consent agenda? I I would like to make a motion to discuss item seven 7C.

I have to make the motion.

Correct,

yes. I would like to

make a motion to discuss Agenda Item 7C.

Second.

I second that.

All in favor?

Aye.

All opposed? Okay.

So just for point of clarity, what we would do, so we would pull that agenda item to discuss afterwards. What we would do now is we would approve the remaining consent item. So we made the motion, so the motion stands. But so it'd be making a motion to approve the consent agenda with polling seven C and moving seven e to citation hearings. If that so we'll do it all in one, full motion.

I have a question. Why are we doing this? Just curious. Why are we switching around? We

wanna discuss it.

So they can so, what the consent agenda is, essentially, you don't you just approve it or disapprove it. You don't typically discuss it. But if there's any if there's any specific, cases on the consent agenda that you would like to discuss, facts of a case, you know, in this case, obviously, I'm assuming because it says third offense, you'd like to discuss that. You may pull any item from the consent agenda to have a fuller discussion over it. So in new business and the citation hearings, that's when you have your full discussion.

On the consent agenda, it's just yes or no. So by pulling something, you authorize the board to fully discuss it.

Which one we're talking about? Seven c or seven b?

So so there's there's two. So so seven c would be pulled and you just it remains on the consent agenda, but you discuss it individually afterwards. And then seven e would actually be moved to 10 bravo.

So I need a motion to approve the consent agenda, moving item 7E to 10B on the agenda and discussing

7C.

7C and 7D.

Two.

So if someone agrees with that, you can just say, I I so move or I make such a motion.

I so move. Second.

All in favor? I. Opposed? Alright.

Okay. So now you have the floor to discuss seven seven c.

Yes. Okay. Who would like to have the floor? I would like to know item seven c and item seven d. Obviously, this guy's a bad egg and he's been arrested multiple times. And I guess the question is, is he in jail? Did he get arrested? Do we know that? Or

I don't know that. I know that the detective at the police department did contact us about this case or the before we created a case. She sent us the information for what was going on, and we found that due to his past citations that this would be third offense in this case and then second offense in for item seven d. As far as his him being arrested or anything like that, I'm not sure.

So in in in his dealings with the city, his second and third offense was happening at the same time? Or Mhmm.

Correct. Yes.

Because So he had one prior?

Correct. He's had, a few citations prior, but it was first offenses for, different things And one other second defense, this would be his second second defense.

Second session.

70 for it's because it goes based off of the different trade classifications, I believe. So for structural, mechanical

Oh, so he he

So he's

So does he not have a AC contracting license? No. He doesn't?

He does not.

What are the options to the city in a case like this?

What are the options?

Yeah. The option. Lean against the property beyond that?

For the third offense specifically, there's no monetary amount that gets fined to this unlicensed individual because it's a third offense. He's already been given two monetary citations at this point. Now that is when we pass it on to the police department so that they can pursue it further, which has been done at this point. So this being on the agenda item seven c, it is to make the board aware that this is the third offense for, this individual. It has been sent to the PD.

So in other words, it's out of our hands now. It's moved on. For the third offense.

Mhmm.

Correct.

So what is the purpose of the discussion now? It's been moved already.

I I put it on here. It's because of seven d as well. They go hand in hand not necessarily hand in hand, but they are, you know, the same individual. I don't know if a specific motion needs to be made in this case that it's a third offense. I'm not familiar.

Yes. So because we didn't approve it before. We have to approve it now.

Correct.

Yes. And how what's the time apart he's had, issues there? He's had offenses, but what's the time frame of this? We're talking years or months or this seems like a repeated pattern, but and how and how common of a term?

Yeah. Give it just give us a second. We can, find it on the, computer his past citations. I know that there was a few. I do, if I'm going based off memory, believe that they were a group of citations issued around the same time, but I don't know if that was multiple instances or what.

In the past when we would, when these people requested a hearing and they were licensed, we would get a folder afterwards and then we could see how many things he had before. Since this person isn't licensed, we don't get and and he didn't request a hearing. He's ignored everything. We didn't unfortunately, we don't get that information at this time, but that's a good question.

So so the issue here is he didn't have a license. Correct?

Correct. He does not have a license.

So so Angel, this this citation is against an unlicensed person that is taking money from customers and not doing work and robbing them. And it's happened more than once. That's why. I apologize. I forgot to have the swearing in of staff. We have to backtrack.

Do you swear to

tell the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth to help you God? Thank you.

Apologize for that.

There's no other discussion, a motion to close the discussion.

Oh, did you want to see, because we can put it on the screen if we're able to, the past citations. It looks like it started from August 2020 was the first citation. Then it goes to September 2023. There's two citations issued there up to the ones that we issued in July. So

Oh, here it is.

Yeah. All

right. So these citations are all for, we don't know if these are for AC or some other violation.

Here.

Wow. There's a lot.

Yeah. And these are the only ones that he's been caught at.

Oh, wait. Go back.

These are only the ones that he

Yes. So this one, he contracted to install a new AC unit in a single family residence for the one done in 2020, and that went to lean. The one in September 2023, also an AC change out was done.

And this is all without being licensed? Correct.

Yes. This citation was closed, the second one from September 2023. So I'm not sure if he maybe paid the fine, but this is a second offense here for mechanical.

Two of twenty twenty three.

Used to be my neighbor. Not the guy, the person who

may I ask also James, you had somewhere in this paperwork, you went through a bank account and saw that he's went through a Zelle account?

That might have been the transaction from or evidence provided from the detective for the case for the, property owner or whoever was dealing with him.

Is he somewhere he went gambling and bought fuel?

Quite possibly.

What was I read?

Yeah. I read that too. Yeah. I mean, he he was

The person was texting Appropriating the funds.

Yes. Misappropriating funds and texting by the owner and the owner asking for their money back and

Well, the unfortunate thing is he's doing all this without being licensed.

Well, unfortunately too is the homeowners are half to blame too because they know they know he's not pulling a permit and you know whether or not he's giving him the song and dance saying, oh, a permit's gonna cost you $500. You can save that, which You're just And according to this paperwork, he did say that.

Couldn't the city put out some kind of public service announcement Oh, they do. Just to make sure that everyone you hire is

Well, they do that.

If you

go on their website, the hire like

Well, on their you have

to go to

their website, but I'm talking about everybody doesn't go to their to your website. You know? Something that would just be, you know, make sure you hire. And and this is the reason why because for people like this.

Right. We see commercials on TV. Sure. TV PR. Yes. I see them. Unfortunately, like I said, half of the blame in my opinion belongs to the homeowner because know and they choose to deal with somebody and unfortunately they lot of them has gotten screwed.

I mean that texturing that customer did tell them, right? Kids are sleeping upstairs.

Well, what interests me, read this case and he's selling the customer refrigerant which he has no business buying as a homeowner only with a license. So that's the way the relationship started and he knows he's doing underhanded stuff and then you know he winds up losing his money. Yes.

Part of the problem is many of the public have a misunderstanding of the whole idea of permits. They think it's a money making scheme for the city. And I spent so much time trying to explain to them and the only thing that I found that really works for them is it says, okay, you don't pull a permit, see what happens if something goes wrong. Your insurance company will go, tough luck buddy, because you did not pull a permit for the water heater or for whatever was done. And then they start to get it, but that is such a miscomprehension that people have of the whole idea of a building code or, the permits in particular.

They think it's a money making thing. So if if you were to do something, let's say send out a flyer with this information, I think that's the one thing that needs to be addressed more than anything, that this whole idea of the code and permits is for the people's safety. And if they don't care about their physical safety, tell them that if they go to sell the house and the title search is done, they're going to pay fines because they didn't do this stuff. And the insurance companies will drop them in a heartbeat if they find out this stuff, especially with the way the insurance industry is going now. They're looking for ways to drop people.

Yes, Especially in the roofing business.

If you

had a new roof put on and they didn't pull a permit, the insurance company looks at your previous permit if it was thirty years ago and they say, need to put a new roof on. Well, I just did. No. You didn't. You don't have a permit.

But I tell you, from my end, engineering, sometimes you tell the people it's gonna require foundation as this big as a result of hurricanes and the pulling forces on the foundations. And they become really humongous. And they say, wow, you don't need anything like that. So well, here's the calculations, and people don't believe it. That they think, but why should you put a permit for something like that? I mean, I can put a foot in here. It'll work. It doesn't it's not that way. So people don't know. And when you tell them, they don't believe it.

Yes.

My point of what I was just saying is that the only thing that makes any sense to people is money. Yes. It's gonna cost you a lot of money if you do not do it. We can explain the technical reasons all day, and they don't most of them don't grasp that. But when you start to talk about their insurance and getting fined and losing money when you try to sell the house, Then they start to go, oh, oh, okay.

Well, the whole reason for them going with an unlicensed person or somebody is to save money. So you're absolutely right. If you let them know you're not really saving any money, it's gonna cost you money in the long run. Yeah. Good point.

If you do think about sending something to everybody in Port St. Lucie, make sure you keep the money factor in there, you know, and the problem with the insurance.

Yeah, no, we do our best to advertise with the resources that we have. We do offer a lot of different classes. We have like some classes for commercial properties and we have realtor assist classes for realtor, residential commercial realtors so that they're aware of what permits are necessary on properties, what it means to have a violation on a property, what happens when work is done without a permit. So we try to educate our community as much as we can, and we always do whenever customers come in or residents come in, we always do make them aware of the importance of having this permit and obtaining it and completing it in proper manner.

Good.

Anything else?

So do we need to make a motion to approve that one? Seven c? Correct. I make a motion to approve seven citation order.

I second it.

All in favor?

Aye.

All opposed? All righty. So we approved the consent agenda including 7c, 7d. We moved 7e.

Just, sorry, chair, just for, was seven delta pulled as well or just seven c?

No. It should be.

We pulled both. I

think I thought we Gotta make a motion for it.

It wasn't made

a motion.

Was it If

we can just have a motion for seven d as well.

And a motion to approve seven d, please.

Make a motion that we approve the citation order 7D.

7D, yes.

I second that.

All in favor?

Aye.

All opposed? All right. Moving on to Item eight, new business. We need a motion to approve or discuss the New dates. The last minutes of July meeting?

No, we did that.

New business. Oh, I'm sorry. The meeting dates were 2026, which was is every quarter. So we need a motion to approve the 2026 meeting dates.

Yeah. I make a motion to approve.

Second.

Second that.

All in favor? Aye. All opposed?

And just as a follow-up to the new business item, if you recall when we were discussing this maybe a year ago or a few months ago, there may be times where the building department will call a special meeting, maybe four weeks down the line, six weeks down the line. That way, individuals who do have citations and want to appear, they don't have to wait, you know, maybe two, three months to come in front of the board. So in the event that something like that would happen, know, ESA, the voting department will. We'll reach out to try and get something scheduled. That way we could hear if anything comes in, we can hear that sooner rather than the next meeting.

Even though we only do it, have scheduled ones four times a year, that doesn't mean it's only gonna be four times a year.

I I got a question regarding that. If you get two or three, contractors, they like to they can't wait, but they got different schedules. He said, well, I want it for this this is when I'm available. And the other one said, well, I'm available some other time. How do we handle something like that?

Well, I would defer to the building department on on that, but my my thought would be you try to accommodate, but we're not gonna have three separate hearings in between each scheduled hearings just to have one.

Right.

You know, we'd say, this is the date we can do it. If you can make it, you know, we'll try to accommodate. However, if you can't, then the next board of appeals meeting is, you know, on on this date.

And and they can always they can always join remotely also. I mean, there is that option. So

Absolutely. Absolutely.

And so it's not like it's impossible.

Mhmm. Mhmm.

So, usually, when it comes to sending out the notices for citation I'll try and have those done either forty five to thirty days in advance so that they have a well enough notice. But in the case that we may add a meeting, then depending on who's on the agenda, I can gather any additional cases that we have so that way we'll have a a more filled meeting agenda rather than just one person that we're calling the meeting for. So I would try to accommodate it, not to necessarily waste anybody's time, but so that it's the most efficient for everyone.

Moving on to item nine, there being no quasi judicial hearings. Item 10, we have two citation hearings. We'll do the schedule 110A.

Citation hearing investigator Darren Subrian. The respondent is Asael Acevedo Quinones for Treasure Coast Homes ER LLC for citation number 32088. The remaining balance owed, 1,000.

Good morning.

Good Good morning.

Am licensed investigator Darren Subrian. I am bringing citation number 32088 to the Board against Aseo I Acevedo Cuentes. The City Code sections violated were 150.530(six), engaging in business or acting in capacity of a contractor or advertising herself or himself as a business organization as available to engage in the business or acting in that capacity of a contract without being duly registered, certified or holder of a certificate of competency. And Florida statutes violated were 489.531.1, Subsection Practice contracting unless the person is certified or registered scope of work advertising as electrical contractor unlicensed. The date of the violation observed was 05/09/2025.

Method of service with citation was certified regular mail and the violator requested the hearing. On May 9, we received an email that came to Mr Luponza from John Dunn from East Coast Electric stating that there was electrical advertising in the Orange Peel Gazette and there was no they were unlicensed. Okay. Here, you can see the image of the advertisement. It's clearly stating it does electrical work, installs fans, electric car chargers, camera installations, general generator interlock installations.

Okay. On May 15, myself and Mr. Luponza called Mr. Quarantes, whereupon he hung up after I explained to who I was on the phone. Five days later on the nineteenth, I received a call from him.

I explained to him that he will be getting the citations for advertising without a license. He understood that. He said to me that he will pull the ads, and he will no longer continue to advertise himself as a contractor. Since that point, I've heard nothing else from him. He hasn't reached out.

He hasn't paid anything. I think he contacted the office at some point to say that he doesn't have the funds to pay the fine and requested a hearing. And this is where we are today. You can see he's been operating a business since 2023. And he's been advertising and he's not licensed to do electrical work.

I have a question. He advertises as an electrical contractor, he must show his license on the advertising? Is it required?

Yes. It's a requirement. Yes.

Okay. So you cannot call yourself an electrical contractor unless you have a license. Correct. Am I correct? Correct. I got another question for you. This came up a while back. Engineering. I'm an engineer. If I advertise as an engineer, do I have to have a license? Yes. I thought we discussed that at one time. There was someone here that

Oh, there's alright. We we do not regulate that.

I'm sorry?

We do not regulate that.

Yeah. That's a state law. Yeah. Absolutely.

Well, it's the same question as

It came up, but not bad.

Because if you're a lawyer or a doctor, you don't have to put the license on the ad. But under the construction industry, you have to have that's part of your requirements. Have to advertising signage, even on your truck, you must have your license number on.

I remember K's that came back a while back. Any advertisement, any vehicle, any letterhead has to have

your license. That's kind of That's

way I see it. I mean, that's the law. Well, that came up one time here and that the the contractor called himself engineer of some sort. He need to have a license because that's one of questions.

Right.

Then I'm know, someone mentioned that you can call yourself an engineer.

Oh, there's there's there's a lot of advertising going on

Well, that's illegal.

Themselves, homebuilders and engineers and plumbers and electrician, and they don't have it. No.

So they had to have a license.

Why not? Because he was advertising. I don't know how long this ad was in there for. I don't know. But our mom received the complaint, obviously, the scope of work on this list, he most definitely shouldn't be doing that work. He shouldn't be advertising to do it.

But you guys did check the advertisement

in Yes.

It's on the on our license.

Here. It's on the it was on the Do you want

me to show the

So mister Canonis asked for a hearing and he's not present, obviously. Mr.

Add.

Go to a motion to approve?

Think we can go right to the motion

to approve.

Need a motion, please?

I'm sorry, was there anything else you needed to add to that?

No. No.

Thank you. Can I get a motion to approve 10A?

And I'll make a motion to approve. Second.

Second. Second. All in favor?

Aye. All

opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. Okay. Will you be presenting seven C as well? No. Seven E. C. E. Next

we'll have

I have my own writing.

Item number 10 B, which is citation hearing for investigator Jennifer Vanadter. The respondent is Joseph Altier for Treasure Coast Lighting and Electric LLC. Citation number 32110. Remaining balance owed, dollars 1,000.

I'm sorry. Which one is that? Which citation?

32110.

This was formerly item seven e that we now move to our citation hearing.

Oh, okay. Yes. Yeah.

I know, but I'm trying to find it.

I'm licensing investigator Jennifer Vanadar. I'm bringing citation number 32110 to the board against Joseph Altier. The Florida statute violated were four eighty nine point five three one one b. Use the name or title electrical contractor or alarm system contractor or words to that effect or advertise himself or herself or a business organization as available to practice electrical or alarm system contracting when the person is not then the holder of a valid certification or registration issued pursuant to this part. Scope of the work was advertising as an electrical contractor, unlicensed.

Date of the violation was observed was 05/29/2025. Method of service for citation was certified in regular mail, and the violator had requested the hearing. This was brought to my attention by another electric contractor who has a similar name, Treasure Coast Electric, who had some concerns that this unlicensed activity this unlicensed person had a similarity to his name and might be generating work under the guise that it was a licensed person. So he did provide me with some information, some social media postings for his company profile and on various things, and, he does have a registered Sunbiz since, 2023. According to DBPR, he is eligible for an exam, but he has no other qualifier currently for that company.

And I did follow-up again here recently and run his name again through DBPR. It still just says eligible for exam, so he still has no licensing. It's also a Yelp posting, which states electrician, security systems, lighting, features, has that gentleman's phone number. And these are the services offered by this company, and it does state here that it was verified by the business. He's also listed on Nextdoor as an electrician.

Have you had contact with this individual?

I have not. I do have, he apparently did come to the office and speak with one of our, office staff, And he claims that it wasn't his fault that people were advertising his company, that he didn't do this, that he had he claims that he already took the test and that he was waiting to go before the board within two to three weeks to get his license. And and then he just basically reiterated that he didn't think he should have to pay a fine because he wasn't doing it. Other people were doing it. I don't I can let me pull up another one.

There's actually he did also say something about he hadn't put anything up for three three years. However, there's actually a this was sent in to us by the complainant. This is a Facebook posting on Port St. Lucie recommendations where somebody is looking for an electrician to install Ring cameras at their house, and this is from May. And if you scroll down here, here he is, Treasure Coast Electric, giving a price per camera to be installed. I don't know who was upgrading his Facebook, but I don't think this is other people doing this for him.

Did he did he perform any work?

I don't have it. I don't I don't I mean, I can only go based off of what I'm saying. I mean, and I didn't cite him for doing the work just for the advertising of it because I don't have any type of contract or anything like that.

And are those advertisements still out there today?

Yes.

They're still present Facebook?

I do believe that he has removed this comment that is about but I've been able to see everything else still.

He's still advertising.

Do we have any evidence that he actually took the test? Because that is documented if he took the test.

I know if there's a way to look at it when you just go to d b parts d b p r. It just says he's eligible. It hasn't been updated in their system.

Well, he would have a receipt that he went and took this test or he would have information. Doesn't

I don't know that he brought anything like that with him when he

believed the option. That eligible would change because he took the test. Yeah. That wouldn't list that way anymore if he took the test.

Well, and I will say that this was in June that he came in and said that he had taken the test and he was supposed to be before the board within two to three weeks. So now we are in October and it still says eligible for exam.

And he's not here.

Unless he failed. But he would still to operate in the city. He would need a city license or come before the board to operate in technically state license don't, right? I mean, or the city is

We don't have any local. Don't have any local licensing?

No, but with my state licenses, I also have a city license. To operate in the city, are you requiring state licensed people to get a city license?

It yeah. It's no longer we no longer do certificate of competency, so it's just them registering with us.

Okay. That's what we report. Alright. Even registering to pull a permit.

Correct. They will

So eventually, if he does pull permits, he's gonna need something from the city.

Yeah. He'll have to submit all

Would that be in his documentation that you need to pay these fines first?

I'm sure it would come up if under his license when we search his

Or his name.

His information and address. Correct.

So is that something that that you keep a record of? And I mean, obviously he's he's saying I don't care what you say and I'm gonna keep operating. Right? I mean, this is basically

Well, Richard, correct me if I'm wrong here, but if this gets approved as to be found in violation today, then this is going to go to certification of fine hearing next, which would, be put against

Can we go ahead and forward a letter to to the state saying this guy is claiming to be an electrician when he's not? I mean, mean, it could mess him up possibly of getting his state license.

Yes, we can do that.

I think that should be done.

I think it would be a great idea to have communication with them.

Right. Absolutely. I mean, especially if he failed the test too and he needs to take it again, right? I mean, maybe that's why he didn't get his license yet.

Could be. There's a hold, a six month hold. Yes.

And then when he pays the fine, the state could be notified that he did that also and they can move ahead.

Right. And just but just for a point of information, this hearing is just to determine whether he's in violation. If the court finds him in violation, then as Issa said, it will go to a certification of fines hearing at our next meeting. At that point, that's when the board determines if a fine is is warranted. It could be, you know, he you know, tomorrow he or today, we find him in violation.

Tomorrow, he passes the exam. He's a licensed contractor. And then when he comes in front of the board, we don't take any action because he's has his license. He's able to operate as an electrician. But right now, the purpose is just to say he's not licensed. He's advertising as he's licensed. He's in violation of the code. So that just I just wanna reiterate that we are not talking about a current fine right now. It's just, is this gentleman in violation? Yes or no.

After we make a motion to determine that, then he does have a fine?

No. No.

Will we certify it next meeting? Right.

So so this is just to determine whether this gentleman is is in violation of the code. If the board determines then he would still So this is just to determine whether he's in violation. If the board votes in favor, it goes to a certification of fines hearing. That's when you would determine is a fine appropriate, and he would be he would have a fine at that point. Yeah.

Hold on. Hold on one second.

Right. So I mean, what could change in in between now and then?

If

he pays, so what? He's still

Still in violation.

Right. And doing business. I mean which he knows. I mean if he's taken the test, he knows he's not supposed to do that.

Yeah. But if he advertise

That's right. And your questions

right now. Okay.

May wanna if you're gonna discuss it, speak to the microphone so it's on the recording.

It's he's on advertising right now.

He is advertising. Yeah.

Yeah. That's all we have.

We don't

have evidence

that he's doing business.

Doesn't matter. Advertising is the

ad that you found. You have the ad that you found.

And then we find you in violation of that, move it to a citation hearing.

Right. So next meeting it'd be certified.

That's right. And he's not here today. Correct.

So then he would I mean, and looking forward, he could ask to come before us.

He already he already did. He already has.

Oh, and he's not here.

Yes. He's here.

Yes. We just had that moved. Okay. Any other discussion or we want to make a motion to move?

There are discussions.

There are discussions.

So my apologies, I was incorrect. So yes, so this is not only determining whether he's in violation, but if he is in violation, then he would have a fine. So the board is correct and I was mistaken on that front.

Okay. Let let me see if I understand this right. When he advertised, he didn't have a license. If he obtained his license after he advertised, should he get a fine?

Yes.

That's up to the board's decision.

That's what we're deciding. Right.

Yeah. Okay. That's fine. He's asking if between the time that he was first mentioned and he got his license Afterwards.

After the fact.

After the fact.

But we know that he doesn't have a license right now because he's not listed.

My question yeah. My question is when you found that advertisement, he did not have a license.

Correct.

He was he was qualified to take the test. However, if he takes the test after the fact, passes the exam, but this advertisement went prior to that.

It would never, okay, just to use the permits as an example, if somebody doesn't have a permit and they find them, they give them a chance to pull the permit. If they don't pull a permit, then they get cited. So the same thing would apply here. If the person when you say you don't have a license, okay, it's going to be in a couple days. And in a couple days it came through, you probably wouldn't make the citation then because he's legal now, just like with the permits. You don't get to this point.

Right.

Correct. Typically, there is a cure period. You're in violation. Typically, you may have a certain amount of time to cure the violation. You cure the violation. This meeting, this hearing is is typically unnecessary. It still could take place, but, typically, it's unnecessary.

But there's a period there that, in which he can obtain his license and be clear.

Correct. We give him for when the citation is issued, we do issue a compliance date. I push it out to about thirty days that we give him a compliance date of which he'll be notified of on the citation. And then at that point, the compliance date comes around is when I recheck the citation, find if he's obtained a license, if the, you know, the fee was paid, so on and so forth. If there was no action made, that's when it gets pushed to hearing.

And I would just like to reiterate one of our main purposes as a sport is to get people licensed. And that's what we always do when we have hearings here, even on local level, we would recommend that they get licensed right away. And that's what we would do to this guy if he was here, but he's not. And he hasn't done anything since this whole thing started. So it is a valid citation as far as I'm concerned.

I make a motion that Joseph Altier of Treasure Treasure Coast Lighting and Electric LLC is in violation of a citation in citation 32110.

I second that. All

in favor?

Aye.

All opposed? Alrighty. Next on the agenda item 11, certification of fine hearings. We need a motion to certify the liens or a motion to discuss.

I make a motion we certify them.

I second it.

All in favor? Aye. All opposed?

Do we have to read them in now and do that?

Do we have to read in the certifications?

Yeah. So I'll read each one in. After each one, then we can have the motion made.

Okay.

For item 11 a, certification of fine for Edwin Santana of Santana Power LLC. Citation number 31985. Remaining balance owed $1,000

Make a motion to approve.

Yep. Second that. All in favor? Aye.

Opposed? Aye.

Item 11 b, certification of fine for Edwin Santana, Santana Power LLC. Citation number 31986. Remaining balance owed $1,000

Make a motion to approve.

I second that.

All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Ayes have it.

Item 11 c for certification of fine, Tiffany Blanton of Diamond Construction Services of South Florida LLC, citation number 32009, remaining balance owed $1,000

Make a motion to approve. Second.

All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Ayes have it. On the agenda item 12, there being no disciplinary hearings. 13, public? No public. All righty. Anything else we'd like to discuss? The board or the staff? No? Adjourned.