City Council - Regular Meeting

Please rise for silent invocation followed by Pledge of Allegiance, which will be led this evening by Atlantic High School ROTC. I'm in? You guys.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you, guys. Don't go away. I'd like to take a moment to have you guys introduce yourselves, tell us what grade you're in, and what your plans are after high school, when you graduate from Atlanta High School. Welcome.

Good evening. I'm Cadet First Lieutenant Miller. I am in 10th grade, and after high school, I would like to be a Blue Angels pilot.

All right.

I am Cadet First Lieutenant Linda Meyer, and I'm in 10th grade. And after high school, I want to go and be a, I don't know, actually.

We're going to give you another year to work on that. Go right ahead. Welcome.

Thank you. I am Cadet Senior Master Sergeant Rodriguez. I am in 12th grade, and I want to be an EMT driver. Nice.

My name is Cadet Charles Lindemeyer, and I'm in 12th grade. And what I want to do after high school is I want to be a pilot. Nice.

Excellent. So listen, we definitely are going to be looking for some flyovers at city centers. You got it. I got you covered. I mean, I hate to get you to commit early, but you're going to kind of have to commit. You know what I mean? So we'd love to see that. Well, thank you guys for all being here this evening and for everything you guys do to serve your community and what you guys intend to do to serve after high school.

Councilman Doley?

Here.

Councilman Gephardt? Here. Councilman Green? Here. Vice Mayor Grubbs? Here. Mayor Spiltman?

Here. All right. It's an honor to welcome Florida Senator Tom Wright and House Representative Chase Tremont this evening. They got a little presentation for us.

Welcome. Oh, you guys.

Well, Chase has got some things to talk about. I'll just say a little bit because people in the audience might like to hear about this. And it's really always a pleasure to come and support the city of Port Orange. And we're celebrating tonight two very important infrastructure investments. And I want to thank the mayor and the members of the council up here. and the city manager and public works personnel and many city employees who have been involved and helped develop and advance these projects these projects address two of the most basic responsibilities of local government maintaining reliable wastewater infrastructure and protecting residents from flooding i was proud to advocate for both projects along with chase tremont because they address clearly the identified needs and represent sound investments in this city's future It has been one of my greatest honors to continue to serve in the Senate and to help deliver resources directly to cities like Port Orange. So tonight we're proud to present the city of Port Orange with a check for $1,982,500 in state funding. And that is for two projects. One is $750,000 for the Charles Street wastewater lift station rehabilitation. And the other is $1,232,500 for the Portona stormwater ponds and infrastructure upgrades. So with that, Chase, will you help me with this heavy check? He works out. So we have the check here for you all tonight. As you know, we always put them on big checks so you can't take them to the drive-thru. You can actually go in the bank and put it in there.

I love it. If you gentlemen don't mind, hold it right there. We're going to come down and take a picture with you. We'll gladly accept that. Rob, Rob.

We're going to bring some of our staff. just so the audience knows i mean the city is very good about coming and telling us what they need sometimes there are cities that don't take that time to actually come and then they're disappointed when they okay it's actually a mistake it's a it's a team effort not just the senator and house rep but the community that's involved with receiving money so you guys really do a good job everybody look forward real quick

Anybody else? I think we're good. Step around.

So I just wanted to, I know that it may be a while before we get to see Senator Wright coming up here and giving us big checks, but we appreciate your advocacy and championing for the city of Port Orange and all of Volusia County. Especially with these stormwater mitigation projects, as you both know, Water goes downhill. It does not respect geographical boundaries or city limits or county limits or any of that kind of stuff. And so there is a huge undertaking by not only City of Port Orange, but a lot of municipalities to do our best to try to mitigate this. And they are big ticket projects. And we just cannot, none of us, when I say none of us, I mean the cities, none of the cities can do this without the partnership of the state legislature and the Senate getting involved in helping us with these fundings. And to your credit both of you and your staff every time we go to tallahassee they help us navigate the process and they do it early they do it way before the mayor and the council gets up there they do it with our staff we hear that from staff and and i don't know that we have thank your staffs enough and you for your staff because as you guys all know when we get up there you guys already know why we're coming you guys have already been briefed on projects and we get to to have some good moments of your time and let you get on with the business because the staffs have done all that work behind the scenes and so navigating Tallahassee is not easy For those that have never done it, I assure you, if you just showed up, you are lost. You are totally lost. You guys have helped open doors for us. Your doors always are open. We know that. We're grateful for that. But the doors you help us open. your staff help us open that that's really what matters the most that's how we have been successful you guys have had the support from your colleagues up there who we go and meet with and and they tell us all the time that you've already spoke with us and things like that so just wanted to say thank you again It's very difficult for municipalities to go up there and compete, but you have to do it. It's part of the process. And you're grateful if you go up there one year, you get a nice check. And a lot of times you may not get another check for a year or two because there's a lot of ask. And we've been very fortunate to string some years together, which has helped tremendously in our city. And you guys certainly played a huge role in that. So we thank you guys very much. And we're going to give these guys a chance to weigh in as well. Vice Mayor?

You did a phenomenal job with that Scott and he's right coming up there and walking through the halls of Tallahassee. It's overwhelming and having our staff be able to meet with your staff to get us the availability and the timing for this is just crucial. then coming back to back years with the proceeds that have come directly from you guys from tallahassee is just amazing we have lots of projects as you all know and every dollar and cent counts so these are already earmarked for major projects and there's still major projects to come so thank you for now and in the future

Yeah, I'm just gonna echo what everyone else is saying up here, man. We really appreciate all the hard work you guys do. I don't think it's often said enough the time you spend away from your families in order to serve the residents. And by providing this funding to us and being here, it allows us to provide for our residents. And we're very grateful for all the work you do. And it's true, Scott, I don't think we've ever taken the time to thank you for your staff, but give them our appreciation as well. you know, we're only good as the, we're only as good as the people who work here in this building behind us, and I know you guys feel similarly, and I just appreciate your service and your commitment to just trying to better the city of Port Orange.

Well, just, it's going to be sad not to have you up there, Tom, next year. You've done so much for our community, for veterans, and obviously for our city and funding, and you always had a a welcome door for some humiliating thing we would give you as a gift, a bobblehead, or whatever that might have been. That was cool. That was cool. Yeah, good, good. But thank you for everything you've done. And Chase, you've got a lot of work still left to do up there, so go get re-elected. And thank you for everything you've done for Port Orange, and this funding is very, very important. We appreciate it.

Again, I'm going to echo what these guys said. Again, being up there for the first time this year and learning that you've got to have friends in high places and to have you guys up there to help us and support us was unbelievable. And not only that, for the people you guys know. And again, our lobbyist, Mr. Pittman there, I mean, that guy, he knows everybody in the building. He knows who to send us to. But again, to know we can fall back on you guys for support was huge. And we appreciate it very, very much. And Tom, again, thank you for all your years of service, sir. We appreciate everything you've done for our community over the years. Thank you so much.

Very much. Thank you, Senator. Any final words, Senator Wright? If not, we're going to give Representative Trayvon a chance to.

It's just really been an honor to try and help you in every way that we can.

And I've enjoyed every minute of it. And you'll probably see me again in a couple of years. That was good. Awesome. Thank you.

Thank you, Senator. Being a stranger, you're always welcome here in these chambers.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Representative Tremont, tell us what's going on in Tallahassee. Sure. In the off session, right? If there's ever such a thing.

That's right. Well, first of all, I'll say thank you guys and congratulations to you because, you know, this was not an easy year for appropriations. As you know, You know, we're, I think, the first and only state in the entire union that reduced, willingly reduced our spending in a non-emergency season, if you will. So almost $3 billion, I think, Senator, fewer dollars than previous sessions. So that means a lot of cuts and a lot of people didn't get money who are used to getting money. So to come out on top as well as we did. Yes, we worked hard, and there's an art to appropriations, and no one is more skilled at that than Senator Wright, because sometimes we won't get something funded in the House. A portion of it will be kept alive in the Senate or vice versa, and you've got to figure out a way to horse trade and keep something in there. But nevertheless, so much of that effort comes from you guys coming up, because when I go and I see our chairman for whatever subcommittee that those things are going through, they remember visiting with you, or other members remember visiting with you, and that stuff helps. And again, you are very well represented with the Pittman Law Group as well, because it takes more than just us going up there, because they're working on it when we're working on bills and other things of that nature. And it's easy when you ask for the things that you're asking for. And of course, Port Orange, this is my home. So I'm going to work extra hard for the city of Port Orange, no question about it. But it makes it easier when we're asking for things of flood mitigation. Like I've told you, I may not fight as hard for you with a park or something of that nature, even though that's good. But if I have to choose between expanding a park or saving somebody's home from being flooded, I'm going to go with that every single time. So the strategy that we have here in Port Orange is definitely working. So continue to do that and keep up the efforts. The other thing that I'll mention is just a little update on the property tax amendment, because I know we've discussed that before in the past as well. There was a ruling today, and this is for the public, if anyone's paying attention, a little misunderstanding as far as what people are thinking about. There was a ruling by the court today to strike down Just the language of the summary and the title of the amendment. It doesn't rule the amendment invalid. That is still going to go forward. So right now, that just needs to be rewritten because they said that the language was more in a political fashion where it's trying to promote the amendment. approval or support of it so it has to come back a little bit more neutral the the attorney general's office has 10 days to rewrite it and then go back to the process so just wanted to clear that up in case there's any other confusion out there but that's the only update i have in regards to that thank you very much and you know you're definitely always welcome here and anytime you need to kick tracy out of the seat we're always willing we're always willing to do that for you you know you change the name up there and

You don't always have to stand.

We're very happy that Tracy is my representative here. So I appreciate your service and all you guys. And I've got a couple songs that I want to send you. Hey!

I'm going back in the studio in like a month. I need some ideas. I got you covered.

Thank you very much, Rip. Thank you, guys. Have a good night.

Thank you, Chase.

All right, that's going to bring us to item five, public comments on consent agenda items only. Do we have any public comments tonight on consent agenda items? We do. Six through? Nine. Nine. What do we got? Nine? Yep. Nine. Robert, good to see you. Welcome.

Thank you. Mayor, council members, Robert Reinigen, 1425 Dexter Drive, Port Orange. I wanted to discuss item eight, the approval of the HUD CDBG five-year consolidated plan. I did speak about this the last council meeting, and I still support the idea of having an ombudsman type of person and using the money for that. But also, on page four of the consolidated plan, four or five, there are three items that are still to be determined. and they have to do with the summary of the comments by the public. And so that's not there, and I certainly want to be sure that my comments get in there. So I don't understand how you can approve it with that absent. Thank you.

Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Anyone else for Consent Agenda Items 6 through 9? Seeing none, back to Council. We'll click Call the Roll. like to motion to approve consent agenda 69 second no motion in a second um let's see yeah we have a resolution call the roll councilman foley yes councilman gifford yes councilman green yes vice mayor grubbs yes mayor silver yes by vote bring us to item 10 water professionals month for a proclamation whereas the city of fort orange proudly recognizes august 2026 as board of water professionals month and whereas This proclamation celebrates the dedication and hard work of water industry professionals who ensure the production and distribution of safe drinking water and the proper collection, treatment, reuse, and disposal of wastewater and stormwater. And whereas these professionals play a crucial role in protecting the health of Florida's citizens and our state's natural resources, and whereas this proclamation acknowledging the tireless efforts of these essential first responders, and whereas this recognition aligns with the state's ongoing commitment to water quality protection and conservation, highlighted by the bipartisan support of Senate Bill 712, the Clean Water Waste Act, which aims to minimize nutrient pollution and protect our water quality. Now, therefore, I, Scott Stiltner, Mayor of the City of Port Orange, do hereby proclaim the month of August as Water Professionals Month. Welcome, sir. Welcome. How are you?

Steve Parnell, Public Utilities.

Tell us about your staff and what's going on down there in public utilities.

Well, I'm happy to accept this on behalf of the 60-plus true public water professionals we have that work for the city. They work 24-7, you know, maximizing operations and conserving water and doing everything on behalf of the citizens. So it's a nonstop job. Water comes in, water's got to go. So they keep it running smoothly. They're a great team. We're very proud of them.

It's the one thing that I think our residents use every single day in their home. They may not watch TV. They may not turn the AC on. They may not use the stove. They may not use the washer and the dryer. But somewhere in that house, every single day, water is getting used in one fashion or another. So we appreciate everything you and your team do to make sure that that happens every day without thought in most days, right? Without thought. So let me bring this one down to you. Thank you, Steve.

Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Steve, I think next month is HVAC Appreciation Month. It should have probably been this month. We'll work on that. It's a little warm in here. All right. Can't miss an opportunity for a little warm humor, right? All right, that brings us to D, Eastport Business Center CRA meeting. So at this time, we will recess as the Port Orange City Council, and we will magically reappear as the Eastport Business Center CRA and turn this over to Chairman Groves.

Okay, I call the regular meeting of the Eastport Business Center Community Redevelopment Agency to order. Clerk, would you please call the roll?

Here.

Here. Here.

Here. Here.

Here. So are there any objections to the notice of the meeting? Hearing no objections, the notice is accepted. Do I hear a motion to approve the minutes of the March 17th, 2026 meeting of the Eastport Business Center Community Redevelopment Agency? So moved. I hear a second.

Second. Okay.

Item three is a resolution number 26-01, Eastport Business Center, CRA Tech. Voice vote. All in favor? Aye. Aye. I hear no nays. All votes. Okay. Item three is resolution number 26-01, Eastport Business Center CRA tax increment district fiscal year 2027 operating budget. May I have a motion on item three in the resolution number 26-01?

Motion to approve item three resolution number 26-01. Second.

Okay, move to approve the resolution 26-01, approving the Eastport Business Center CRA.

Point of order, Mr. Chairman, if I could just reassert my motion in full. My apologies, because I know that the city attorney would appreciate that. So move to approve resolution number 26-01, approving the Eastport Business Center CRA tax increment district for the fiscal year 2027 operating budget.

And I keep my second for that.

Thank you.

Okay, hearing is second. We have a motion on the floor and a proper second. Ask the comments from the CRA members. None. Hearing none, final comments from the CRA members prior to vote.

Call for public comments.

Okay, call for public comments. Hearing none, final comments from the CRA members prior to vote.

None.

no no comment no comment clerk call the rule yes yes yes yes yes and any further business to be brought before the members of eastport business center nope there being none i will adjourn this meeting and pass the gavel back to councilman jeff hart for the town center cra meeting

How's that?

Yeah.

I call this regular meeting of this Port Orange Town Center Community Redevelopment Agency to order. Clerk, please call the roll. Here. Here.

Here. Here. Here.

Here. Are there any objections to the notice of the meeting? Hearing none, this notice is accepted. Do I have a motion to approve the minutes of the March 17, 2026 meeting of the Port Orange Town Center Community Redevelopment Agency? Second. All right. Motion is second. All in favor? Aye. Thank you. Item three is a resolution number 2601, Port Orange Town Center CRA Tax Increment District for Year 2027 Operating Budget. May I have a motion on item three, resolution number 26-1, please?

Chair, I'd like to make a motion move to approve resolution number 2601, approving the Port Orange Town Center CRA tax increment district for fiscal year 2027 operating budget.

Can I have a second, please? Second. All right, we have a motion on the floor and a proper second. Does anyone from the membership have any comments about this? Okay. Anyone from the public have any comments? There being none, final comments from the CR members? Proud to vote, none. Okay, please, clerk, call the roll.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Any further business to be brought before the members of the Port Orange Town Center Community Center Redevelopment Agency? There being none, I hereby adjourn this meeting and we'll pass the gavel back to the mayor to resume the regular city council meeting.

And that now brings us back into session as the Port Orange City Council, where we are now at public participation on agenda items. Michelle, utter.

Good evening and thank you for having me speak tonight. Of course, I live for protection reasons. I can't say where I live. I do live here in Port Orange. I have been hurt by the Pfizer vaccine and I'm the only one that's been out of the state, out of the U.S., to get proof that I am having spike in my body over 2,000 days. Corey Mills knows, Senator Wright knows, most of the Senator knows, Latipo knows, but I had to do a Sunshine Law 119 and do an internal investigation because the epidemiology department of Latipo will not take my information. The three-letter agencies are trying to hide me because they're doing short-term studies, not long-term studies, because in case you don't realize, I'm having a hard time breathing. My B cells and T cells are tanking. I am moving into cancer now. I am being watched for Alzheimer's. I had to go to Germany to get my blood washed over there because they do not have the treatment here in the U.S. I lost my job. Being one that has been spoken on Governor DeSantis' roundtable, I have been And then I see Senator Wright here, he did a lot of good things for me. Corey Mills, if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have got my, what do you call it, disability and Medicare. But the problem is, I spoke three years in a row on the legislation delegation meeting, and when I came back from Germany, it was his job to make sure that my spike protein was put into the FDA, the three letter agencies. and he didn't, so he's gone. He knows that I'm a little upset with him. I have all the documentations and they know it. If you look at it, you can look on PACER and you can also see that I have a lawsuit going too. I, before I die, I finally get to see my oldest son have a grandchild, and that's all I wanted to do, but it's pushing me into cancer. It's nice that people come here and shake hands and meet each other in Tallahassee, but people like me, constituents that have lived here and raised my kids, all three of them, and they're all in the military, every single one of them, and you even know, that I raised wonderful children, and my city is abandoned to me. Jeff Bauer, he knows me very well. He's putting in letters for me and everything else. But why isn't my own city doing it when I've lived here and raised my kids here my whole entire life? So I'm expecting a little bit more from my city because you will be seeing my name more. You will be seeing it in the headlines. And it's their job to pass on this information instead of hide me and abandon me because my death, my life is worth more. I took this shot just so I could see one of my kids come into to Mayport. and that was the only reason why i took that vaccine and now it's killing me i have all the documentations and i will not be hit anymore you will see me like you wouldn't believe me and i will go out with a bang at that note have a great day lee

As most of you know me already, I'm Lee, live here in Port Orange. I'm here tonight to urge you guys to reconsider the use of flock cameras in Port Orange. I'm here because I believe protecting public safety should never come at the expense of protecting the constitutional rights of the people you represent. These cameras don't just capture the license plates of suspected criminals. They record the movements of everyone who drives past them, everyday law-abiding citizens, have their vehicles photographed with details highlighted, their location recorded, and their travel history stored in a nationwide searchable database. I've seen them going up over the bridge, Nova, Lowe's. I'd just like to urge the council to stand on the side of privacy, transparency, and the Constitution. The people of Port Orange deserve both safety and freedom. We should never be forced to choose between the two.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you.

All right, council member comments this evening. Lance, we're going to start with you tonight.

Just real quick, I just want to make a note that Port Orange lost a longtime resident and longtime, I don't know, I call him a pioneer in Billy Joe Potts. Billy Joe Potts died July 20th. I call him Uncle Billy Joe. He's one of my dad's oldest friends. I think my dad's first roommate when they were 14. But Billy Joe was a master electrician here locally for years and years and years. Eventually came on to be a city inspector for many, many years. And let me tell you something. He was the long arm of the law when it came to having inspections. Because, you know, they always say the best inspector is a guy who's been in the business. And that he was. He also was a curator of Cracker Creek. And when you visited Cracker Creek... He had this, he was a great big man, big tall man, and he wore that part very, very well, and played that part very, very well. But he was, again, about 88 years old, lived here his whole life, and he was definitely a... a great citizen for Port Oranger and we're going to miss him.

And many times he rode in the Christmas parade with your dad and those two dudes would show up with some serious candy. I mean, not just bringing in a little box or a few bags. One year I know they showed up with a huge cooler and that thing was slap full and Billy was just slinging that candy and smiling and they were throwing it out by the handfuls. More than Sean?

those two guys can put some candy out on the street for sure so he'll be missed christmas parade so thank you for bringing that up what else you got for us that's it sean you just let the public know why they canceled this last year's christmas parade candy budget yeah no i have nothing today all right tracy done on boot ramp

getting closer and closer. Can't wait. End of August, it's looking good. It's coming to a finishing point, so hopefully everybody's ready to be able to launch on that side. If you haven't went down there, it's absolutely amazing how it's coming together. In the last weekly, we had a Land Management Division and local Boy Scout that was working on an Eagle Scout project in our land development in the City of Forestry. One of the cool things was is the Eagle Scout project was putting up bat houses. And I know every now and then we have people that's asking about mosquito control and things of that nature, but it's an all-natural way. We have 26 parks. I'm just saying as a proposal out there for any Eagle Scout that's looking for a way to do projects. We've got 26 parks that would just love to have more bat houses. And I'm sure the local community would love that also, that we could put that together at a very low to no cost for the community, but also a very unique safety item that we're not having to do aerial sprays. So just something to think about. I know we got soil and water conservation, Chris Cunningham out there. She would agree with me on this one. But at the same time, With her position with Volusia County Soil and Water Conservation, we have some grants that are coming up available for us for those properties that FEMA has turned over to us. So hopefully with staff we can work towards tree banks, money, being able to use grant money from the county, that it comes to no cost to the city to replant these properties, that we can have urban parks inside these small communities. So something to look forward to for you guys later. That's it.

Mr. Foley.

Nothing tonight, Mayor.

Nothing tonight. Good to see you. Part of the downside of going last during council comments is these guys usually cover everything, but I did want to comment. The boat ramp thing, it has really come along. I think that a lot of people who were upset when they heard the initial, it was going to take so long, didn't realize exactly what was going to happen, but those that have followed it to see what was involved in doing what they've done to basically rebuild a 40-year structure um it's it's been pretty impressive and they're ahead of schedule and so um we all look forward to that i know that the city manager and his staff is going to try to put something together so that we can all make sure that our community and our public knows that hey it's open it's ready for you it's all that good kind of stuff um some of the feedback i've gotten just for you folks to we've talked about this in the past is some people have asked why haven't we extended the dock back towards seabird island to give more room for boats to kind of tie up and kind of stage up and things like that and the simple answer is we don't own that property there is private property that is underwater but it's not ours And so we can't put docks on it, we can't do things like that. So that comes up, that is something that we can talk about. That staging dock is, if they haven't already put it back in place, it is to be put back in place. So that portion that was still there will be there.

I'd be willing to put my boat in for pictures and stuff. Sure. I'll be willing to volunteer for that.

Well, truth is, your wife does a better job at that, so maybe we'll recruit her. That's what I meant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. So anyway, we're looking forward to that. That is great to see that project come to fruition, that whole causeway area, a lot of good stuff going on on the east side. As these folks up here have, I have also had comments and compliments from a lot of residents and business owners about some of the recent paving projects and things like that. It's always great when we get comments on infrastructure that's not ours, because a lot of that stuff has been on state and county roadways that aren't actually Port Orange projects, even though they're in our city. The one knock that we keep getting over and over and over is that the signal light timing on some of those intersections that have been redone is not very good. In fact, there are some concerns there, and that has to do with some components that lagged and transitioned to be available as the projects were being done, but I think they've been out there doing those. For those that are also curious, in case it ever comes up on a game show, the city of Port Orange does not own And we do not service any traffic lights in the city of Port Orange. Those are all done by Volusia County Traffic Engineering as it is for most of Volusia County. So even though you may come to a traffic light in the city of Port Orange and you don't like how long you wait at that light, either do we or so, But those aren't lights that we regulate. We don't do that, that Volusia County Traffic Engineering does that.

They should still call Tracy though, right?

Yep, always call the Vice Mayor if you have that concern. Call Tracy. Seriously though, if you bring that to our attention and to our staff's attention, I assure you that gets forwarded over to the county. So we do forward it and get it in the right place, but it is Volusia County Traffic Engineering that regulates all of the traffic light signaling in the city of Port Orange. And with that, I think I've covered that pretty good. So let's see if the city attorney has anything. Not tonight. Not tonight. I know the city manager will be tasked to make sure he speaks on three items every meeting.

Oh, he's counting on Matt to give me a little bit of time to get ready.

Give you a little time to kind of get the thoughts.

I do have a couple of things that kind of overlap the categories that are on the agenda because it's related to outside funding. As we talked about, it's always a challenge to find ways to be most efficient with public money. So we try our best to leverage with other people's funding as we go forward. So tonight we got a check from the legislature. that helps us with the Portona drainage project. So that assists with that. One of the other items, the CDBG item, the CDBG funds that are in the ballpark of 350 to 400 a year are going to go to the White Place Park, which is one of the parks bond projects. So we have that money. In addition to that, we have an ECHO grant out for Willow Run. So trying to leverage as much as we can to get, so we have a 30 million parks bond, but by the time we're done, if there's more outside money, you get even more done from doing that. So we will constantly keep looking for ways to help stretch the dollar as far as we can with the support of the other people going forward. The only thing I have, in addition to that, the... The Request project, which we know we're kind of waiting to see what happens in November, but there's a lot of interest in it. It's out for a construction manager at risk, and there were a lot of proposals coming back. So we seem like we'll have a pretty good chance of getting, if that project goes forward, depending on what happens in November, we would have a pretty good group of people interested in building that one. And then the last thing is, I know people have noticed it's kind of hot in here. We have six air conditioners on the roof of this building, and as of last week, three of them weren't working. Mainly east side of the building, the west side over there is a little bit cooler, but council chambers happens to be on the east side. We've got two of them back, one of them partially, but there does appear to be some ductwork issues with the machine may be running, but the air isn't getting where it's supposed to. So we continue working on that going forward. We know the interior of this building, seeing its better days. But we'll try to, we did put in the budget this year to replace the air conditioners on it because it looks like we're going to be in this building for a while because our focus is on the stormwater projects to help with flooding and the parks projects. And we'll just figure out how to make this building work. That's all I have.

Anything else? That's it? All right. Well, we appreciate that. And I do applaud and appreciate your efforts to keep City Hall patched up as best we can. She's getting to be kind of an old structure, and there's going to be some of that fight as we move along, for sure.

I've heard for years even Disney runs on superglue and duct tape. It may.

It may. All right, moving on to item 14, Art House annual presentation for 2026. way before you guys start I gotta tell you so right before 4th of July come over go back into my office the blinds so I have an office back there that I don't use a whole lot but it faces the lake and the blinds are typically shut because in the evening hours when I do have an opportunity to get in there you have that glare of the Sun coming through and I open up the blinds and there are those wings And I was like, wow, and immediately had to go outside and check that out. So that was a very cool feature, and it was so neat to see so many people lining up to take pictures and that.

Thank you. I'm not finding it. Oh wait the students for our summer camp students were a big part of that. We had almost 400 students over the summer roughly almost 4,000 works of multi-process art walk out those doors. They thought it was a big deal too. They couldn't believe they were off painting the city hall. We learned the difference between graffiti

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right, right, right. But what a great way for them to do something like that and literally showcase their work in front of tens of thousands of people.

It was really important for them, too, celebrating the country's 250th birthday. They'll remember that for the rest of their lives.

Yeah, for sure. For sure.

One of the nicer parts of getting to work in this building is watching them all summer long. So they take them out and they walk around the lake and you can see them playing games and learning stuff around the lake all summer long. So it's kind of whatever's going on in the day, you can look out and see these kids having a great time. It always makes you feel better to see that happen. The facility is really nice because you get to see these kids just really enjoying their summer. Absolutely. Good stuff.

And they love feeding the turtles. They love feeding the turtles.

Oh, I'm sure. Amanda, do you want me to, I can go to another, I didn't even come back.

Well, it was on the computer earlier, like right before, and I don't know where it went to.

It's in the clouds. It rained.

It clouded out. It couldn't stand the heat inside the building. While you guys work on that, we're going to jump to item 15 real quick because I think we can, I'm feeling good we can take care of this one pretty good. Item 15, Environmental Advisory Board appointments. Turns out we have three folks, Glenn Smith, Christine Cunningham, and John Macaluso, who are so impressed with the pay and the benefits of serving on the Environmental Advisory Board. They'd like to do it again. And there are no other applicants. So I feel like if somebody wanted to make a motion in a second, they've got a good chance of being rehired here. I'm just throwing it out there. You can never tell until we vote.

I will make a motion to reappoint Glenn Smith, Christine Cunningham, and John Macaluso.

And I will second it. There we go. We have a motion and a second. Would any of you guys like to talk us out of reappointing you?

John, would you like to talk us out of reappointing Christine?

All right, we're going to keep you guys right there. We appreciate the service. Any public comments on this item? If not, back to council. Any comments? All in favor of reappointing these three fine residents back to our Environmental Advisory Board? Signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? 5-0. Thank you, guys.

Thank you for what you guys do.

Do we think we're good to go back to 14? Need a little more time? Okay. That's okay. We can go to another one that I think will move pretty quickly. Let's try item 16, second reading of ordinance number 2026-11.

That's an ordinance of the city of Port Orange, Volusia County, Florida, amending chapter 54, article 4, fire and rescue pension fund, amending section 54-77 definitions, amending the definition of salary to include certain overtime hours, providing for codification, repeal of conflicting ordinances, severability, and an effective date.

Can I get a motion to approve on second reading ordinance number 2026-11?

Get a motion to pass ordinance number 2026-11.

second we have a motion and a second on second reading any additional comments on this one i think we went through the cleanup on this just public comments just real quick because i wasn't here for the first meeting i appreciate you guys doing this as the uh the liaison to the fire pension board um i know how much they appreciate when things like this get cleaned up especially in the language of that ordinance and so i just want to say thank you guys for passing it and i intend to support it uh here on second reading excellent

any uh any public comments on second reading for this one and back to council yes councilman yes councilman green yes yes yes what do we think you want to try 14. all right let's give it a shot so we're going back to item 14 art house annual presentation 2026. My next plan was just getting you a chalkboard and have you draw your presentation while you talk. We could do that as well.

We could do that as well. Good evening, gentlemen. Thank you for having me here. My name is Cameron Vincent. I'm a Port Orange resident, and I work as executive director for Art House Foundation over there in the other side of the lake. We are happy to be here. I'd like to first thank my wonderful board of directors who came to support our annual report. We could not do that without them. They are a volunteer board. I would like to thank mayor and councilman for having us here tonight and for all the amazing support that the city of Port Orange bestows upon us. We're gonna start off with just our service numbers. This is the same infographic that I give every year. We just update the numbers as we go. We saw a marked increase in funds out. As far as scholarships given, classes provided, service hours of art therapy, enrichment for children around the community. um and overall just a fantastic year 2025 was i do want to point out this lovely little number down here that went up by around 500 000 as far as people served and that is due to art house curating and installing a student photography exhibition that we won the bid on for the ocean center at the echo gallery they estimated that over 500 000 people went through those doors and was able to view the art by our wonderful citizens. The majority of that artwork was from Spruce Creek High School students. Just the little numbers, $182,040 in free gallery admission, that's if we were to only charge $10 each, with our 18,204 gallery attendees in 2025. $18,650 in outreach art programs we provided for free for underprivileged, at-risk, and special needs youth, 746 students at about $25 a lesson. $11,950 in art scholarships awarded to art Port Orange students ages 5 to 18. $83,220 in free community programs, including chalk art competitions, free youth art stations, public art installations, and partnerships programs with the City of Port Orange and Port Orange Parks and Rec. We also 3,922 Port Orange children enrolled in classes and camps, educational development for 23% of Port Orange families and a safe and creative atmosphere to inspire growth. I have just a few pictures from 2025 and a little bit of the beginning of this year because I could not resist having Tracy Grubbs in front of the pet wings outside of Pet Evolution, a mural that we did with our student interns in training for the mural arts for the Dunlaughton Bridge.

Those murals are amazing on that wall. People haven't seen it. Man, they are missing out. They got to go see those murals. That's amazing.

Thank you. And the growth that my interns or my apprentices showed through that, there's nothing like hands-on learning. And these kids got that. And it was just an all-around amazing experience. The owners over there are great as well. Our economic impact estimated $189,352 in non-resident Port Orange dining and shopping. That's tax revenue. 83% of families and gallery attendees go out to dinner and or shopping after a gallery opening reception. Figure above is based on a $15 meal choice per purpose. And you know, in this economy, that's not even a meal at McDonald's. So we were very conservative in that figure. Camps and classes, an estimated $55,000 in camp and class tuition, the funds spent by families in Port Orange throughout Volusia and income generated by free art house programming at the Port Orange Rec Center and mural and art classes. Rec Center Art Support, Parks and Rec, they are our very good friends. Hey, Sue. Art House provides adult painting classes monthly at the Rec free of charge. These classes cost $10 per person with funds going to the Rec Center and its programming. We've done a bit of a shift in that, but I'm going to tell you guys about that in a moment. We're partners now with PAL, the Port Orange Police Athletic League. During the second half of the 2025-2026 academic calendar, Art House began a new partnership with the Port Orange Police Athletic League to provide arts programming to young PAL members. We had some wonderful police officers out there, including some community leaders. Tracey Grubb was among them. where we taught children the difference between graffiti and art, and we had the kids and the officers pair up to do a graffiti off, in which they competed against each other, and it was amazingly fun and hilarious, and the kids just had a blast creating art with those police officers. As you guys know, we spoke about this, the Art House Window Murals, Art House Seasonal Murals at Port Orange City Hall have become a local favorite, inspiring residents and visitors to walk the lake, explore the artwork, and experience the creativity that brings our community together. This is our scheduled just for the parks and rec for the rec center. The art house is committed to this year and we're mostly done with this at this point it being just August now, but we did shift from free classes for just adult painters count sort of like painting with a chest twist we now provide the art classes for the the special needs of the rec adults that come in. We do interactive art classes with them, and they create some awesome things. Special events, face painting, whenever there's a rec dance or an event, we paint faces. We were very involved in the Autism Resource Fair that brought a lot of people uh to the city of port orange over at the rec center and a lot of families got to learn and educate themselves about resources out there for them and their children back to school bash was a huge success i know you guys were there it was fantastic the kids were thrilled it was just a wonderful time window painting at the city hall so we will in october the very beginning we will do a pumpkin patch graveyard november we're going to do a charlie brown thanksgiving and then december i think we're going to try for rudolph Our murals will begin again this winter as soon as one the weather cools down to the paint will care but also as soon as tourism slows down a bit over there under the the mountain bridge. We're going to begin phases, 2, 3, our goal is to get at least the very long sidewall and the above wall underneath completely finished by February. And I have a proposition for you guys that maybe we can open communication about with staff and management, and that is the interactive wings trail, Port Orange. You have so many facilities that people come and visit here at city center, the library, the recreational center. Art House Foundation, City Hall. We had such an amazing and overwhelming amount of approval from the community. They were really excited about those 4th of July wings. It was all over social media. What's happening, Port Orange Pages. That I thought, wouldn't it be fun, much like the book trail that we have around the lake, we did a trail of wings. that the library set of wings will be made out of books and pages the rec center will be made out of balls and other sporting equipment art house obviously crayons and paintbrushes but with a hashtag port orange your logo art houses logo and just a way for people to travel the circle and get pictures I think that it would promote tourism and I think that would also be a great way to get the kids out a little bit and again that's a proposal that maybe we could sit down with staff later on to discuss Our annual report for 2025, our balance sheet saw us $6,911 in the green. Net revenue for the year was $16,041.94. Since the move, I will state that this is the highest we've been able to go and we're now fully recovered for the move and incredibly happy to be expanding our programs for every dollar we receive in in generous donations and sponsorships we put to out in the community and programming for our residents. And I would also like to maybe bend your ear a little bit while I'm up here. The 30th Annual Street Painting Festival. So Art House Foundation, many years ago, started the street painting festivals in partnership with the city of Port Orange and with the nonprofit known as Port Orange Community Trust. In 1996 with the nonprofit organization Port Orange Community Trust approached the city of Port Orange to establish a formal family days festival at City Center. Then Mayor Alan Green and City Manager Kenneth Parker agreed to host this event. One of the original conditions was that the newly formed Art House Foundation be provided space to hold its street painting festival each year. That partnership has flourished for nearly 30 years, growing into one of Florida's premier chalk art events and bringing professional artists from across the country and around the world to Port Orange. We will not go quietly into the night. So I have already started talks with Parks and Rec to see what we could possibly do to still hold the street painting portion of it, create a large kids' fair. We won't have the carnival rides or things like that, and the possibility of still having the beloved parade. Um, I've filled out a small application. We still have a lot of talks to do with the city, but we hope that this can be a placeholder until family days returns in 2027. We've received so many disappointed phone calls. A lot of people thought that we were in charge of family days and I had to say, Oh no, that's not us.

Um, I can only imagine.

Um, so we've been doing a lot of damage control with that and a lot of, no, no, no, that's not us. We're still going to try. Um, I would like to say that If we would not be able to get a carnival at this late in the game, you have to schedule those a year in advance. But if it were possible to have vendors, the parade, and then the chalk art competition portion of that, I think that would be a wonderful treat for families. It would be geared towards families with free and interactive art experiences and games for the children. The only thing that would be a difficulty for us is with the county funding now being cut, our budget for this would be extremely small given the amount of insurance premium we have to pay to cover this event. So in going forward when we have our talks with the city, we are hoping to put together a proposal that maybe we could work around some of the rental fees and that sort of thing to be able to provide this for the community. And as always, Art House is so very grateful for the amazing support and the home that you give us. We are happy and proud to serve. And Mayor Siltner, I really want you to judge again. So keep it in mind when we come up for the next meeting. Thank you so much. And you guys have a wonderful day. And I am ready for any questions if you have them.

So, well, first of all, thank you for being here, and thank you to everybody that participates and serves in the Art House community. It's awesome to have you guys in the City Center family complex and on our campus, and we're glad to hear some of those numbers. Those are pretty amazing, and it's always great when financially it's operating on sound footing. That's the first thing. You already noted, thanks for sharing with us, but as you noted, a lot of those ideas you have and things like that, that all needs to go through the operational process with the staff, so they're not a council function. We're always interested to hear what the ideas are. We may even have some of our own that, can get us in trouble with staff sometimes, because we say things and we put out ideas and staff goes, oh no, you know, because sometimes there's, they do everything they can to move heaven and earth, by the way, but sometimes they just, there are some things, and I do appreciate you mentioning the Family Days event, because that's not us either, but it's an amazing group of volunteers with incredible hearts, incredible intentions, and And sometimes things will just happen. That being said, a lot of elements for that event, a lot of the community loves. Not everybody wants to come out and look at the business vendors, but they want to come out and look at the art. Not everybody wants to come out and look at the art. They want to check out the live entertainment and the musicians and so forth and so on. And that's the thing about that event, is there's usually something for everybody. But the sidewalk art, the festival, that stuff is a huge part of it. as you and i know and we all know i mean all you have to do is watch the line of people constantly non-stop weaving around the artist and the sidewalks watching in real time which is the coolest thing because just showing up and seeing it is neat but being able to see it while it's being done And maybe come back around in another 45 minutes and see how far the artist got. That's really a neat thing. And so being able to be that close to the artist, talk to the artist sometimes, and see the progress and then see the final thing. You're right, it's a very neat element of that event. And one that will truly be missed if there's not an alternative to be able to have those artists still showcase what they do.

So, Reed, what do you got? I appreciate all the work that you guys do. I think the butterfly thing is really cool. Or not butterfly. I guess it is butterfly, right? Wings. Wings. All right. Either way, I think it's cool. There's a lot of other cities that have some stuff like that, and I think it would be a really neat idea. I did see it on social media everywhere, and I thought that was pretty cool. So hopefully you can get with staff and figure out whether or not that's possible. But I appreciate what you guys do for the arts and the community.

Thank you.

Go ahead.

Reed, thank you for allowing me to be on their board. Otherwise, good dedicated people. You know, it's absolutely amazing sitting there and seeing what you guys do with the kids. It just blows me away. You know, stick figure guy over here can't draw one on a bet. But seeing what y'all do is just amazing. But one of the things that Bureau Projects, the ideals and the things that you come up with is just absolutely amazing. Having the kids come up with the designs and you're showing me that, hey, this is a 16-year-old, this is a 15-year-old that's coming up for these designs is just amazing. The one that got me, Pet Evolution, the one she did on the side of the building, how many days did it take you to do it?

Eight.

Eight days. eight days on something that's going to be there for a long time. And it's just amazing. The detail, cause you go up there and you see it at a distance. It's pretty amazing. But you go up there and look at the detail of it. It's it'll, it'll take you away. So when you came up and you, you told me about the, about two weeks ago, the trails of wings. And I was like, okay, I can get behind that because we saw what you did to the mayor's office. I was like, this is just an amazing thought. It allows parents, grandparents to come into the city and do things with their kids that no other city does. And I think that's what Art House does. It does something really special that people hear about it, but they don't see it. And when it's done that way and they see it, and then it's all over social media for 4th of July, it was amazing. And people are going, who did this again? They're right over here on the other side of the lake. Come visit them. Come see them. So to me, I think hands down, it's amazing what you do with these kids. 3,900 kids last year. The walk-through traffic, half a million people. You pull that number out, you know, out of the 659,000, it's 159,000 that came into Port Orange. Take the half a million out of that. 159,000 people came here. So your $189,000 for community, that's way low. I mean, unbelievably low. If you go and you start factoring those numbers, if $100,000 come on here, $20 a head, $2 million spent inside our city. So programming for us is hands down, it works. It works greatly. And what it does for the kids is, I can't say it enough, amazing. Thank you.

Thank you.

I just thank you for everything you do. And it's amazing. First time I was over there, I could not believe the talent. And then I was walking out, you were having an exhibit and I was walking out and my best friend from Palm coast was pulling in the parking. And I'm like, what are you doing here? Cause my granddaughter has some artwork in there and he was really excited about going in there. And it's really cool that you've right. People come from all over to see this. So I love what you do, and we're going to have some good news for you soon.

I think these guys covered it all, but thank you very much. And again, I've known Mrs. Gaumont for a long, long time, so I know the work you guys do down there, because I had to do it when I was in her class a long time ago. So thank you.

We won't go over his grades.

Oh, I was a solid D. Thank you.

Before I leave, I would like to invite each and every one of you, including staff, August 21st is our opening reception for our summer art campers. We will exhibit over 700 works of art, an example of each artwork that we created during the summer with these kids. These classes are also taught by our Volusia County Schools art educators. So we welcome you out, and you guys have a wonderful day.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thanks for being here. All right, that's going to bring us over to item 17, second reading of ordinance number 2026-8.

That's an ordinance of the city of Corwin's Volusia County, Florida amending the land development code chapter 17 zoning district regulations relating to updating the PCA zoning district regulating in response to changing market demands by revising the location of where certain uses are allowed within the PCA district while keeping consistent with the current plan community west side future land use designation. relating to minor revisions for clarity and development standards removing redundancies to improve consistency in the application of the code providing efficiencies in the development review process all in support of future development within the pca district providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances severability and an effective date can i get a motion to approve on second reading ordinance number 2026-8 the motion to approve ordinance number 2026-8

Second.

We have a motion and a second. This is a second reading. I know we had asked to have this delayed to be able to have a full council. And so Reed is here this evening. Council, do you guys have any other comments about this ordinance? Are you good?

Not yet.

All right. Any public comments? Representative want to speak? Come on up. You're here. Always good to have you.

It's always good to be over here. Good evening. For the record, Mark Watts at the law firm of Cobb Coal, 231 North Woodland Boulevard, Deland. Nice to be on this side of the county again this evening. I've got a whole row of folks here with me. Jessica Gall, my partner. Chris Rowley with Zeb Cohen has worked on all this. a whole lot of representatives of the various business entities that are related to the Crossy family. And so we just wanted to say thank you again to your staff for the amount of time that we've spent going through and getting really into the detail of something that, you know, as we said before, has done, I think, a very good job of working for the city from a planning perspective for more than 25 years now. We've done the updates that we think you requested at the last meeting. Those specific changes were made. Thanks to Tim for working with us on that and making sure we got those in there. Other than that, I think we went through most of this before. This doesn't change any densities or increase any densities. It keeps all of the mix of uses that are required in the PCA district and area consistent. It keeps the trip caps consistent with what's already there. So the added fringe benefit, and Jessica pointed this out to me for a minute ago, last night I was in Edgewater watching them do a permanent moratorium on data centers, and one of the changes that we are making here with the revision to the workplace district that's in the current code is getting rid of those industrial-type uses that could have those types of uses introduced into the series. I think this is a good update. We appreciate your comments last time. I think they made some good revisions and happy to answer any questions you might have.

Yeah, no, again, I appreciate you coming. And again, I've looked at this thing since last week and last meeting. And again, my issue with this is the changing of the industrial areas that, again, you know, we had a vision in Port Orange many years ago. And, you know, that was going to be thompson palm there was going to be this that and the other and and it didn't happen um but what i'm not okay with is the density in which we are changing that property to is just too much for me i said it last time i'll say it again that density is just too much for that area that area has already grown It's hard to put more cars on that road. Now, I understand you've got zoning for industrial and this and that, but we need to decrease the density of those areas that are, especially on your easterly side. It's right on Williamson. And, again, I just, I have a hard time supporting that density. I have a hard time supporting 50-foot lots. I'm going to be honest. I don't like it, and I believe that The smaller the lots, the more the impact. The bigger the lot, the less the impact. You know, the bigger the home, the less the impact. And I just, I'm going to stick with that position right now.

Anybody else?

I just want to be on the record. I agree with Lance. I don't like 50-foot lots either, but they were already approved. the prior readings back when this was all set up back in 2000, way before either one of us were on council. So, I mean, dating all the way back to when this whole thing was laid out. So we don't really have a choice.

Anybody else?

Well, again, comment on that. Again, if you look at the zoning and look at what it was and look at all the purple that's on that picture, that's all industrial, right, Mark?

It's industrial, it's commercial, and there is a mix in there that also allows all change in the residential.

I remember correctly.

I think there's actually multifamily allowed in that purple mix as well. So one of the things to keep in mind is you are removing that higher density that's allowed within portions of that purple area and changing it to the densities that we're stating in here now that are more consistent with the rest of the area. So there are a mix of uses in that purple kind of district. So you've got industrial, you've got commercial. And as we talked about at the first reading, one of the things that came to mind as we were working through this with staff was the inconsistency of the heavy traffic that would be generated by those uses in that location. Now you do still have some of the workplace areas that are along Williamson either have developed or may still develop. There's a lot of vacant land there still that's held by companies that I think have designs to keep expanding that vision of the workplace area. So I don't think that's done yet. But in the area that we're revising through this amendment and through the changes to the district maps, you know, you're really kind of pulling out some of the higher residential density permitted within industrial and commercial in that district, and you're getting rid of those heavier intensity uses.

i i don't understand that again i'm looking at the picture it says commercial retail it says office industrial office industrial commercial retail those are the areas of which i'm really talking about because that's a majority of the acreage correct okay and you're changing it to all residential correct and all high density

So for the record, Jessica, I would call cool off from one Daytona Boulevard, Daytona Beach, Florida on this side of the county. I just want to clarify the workplace district. It has that sub district that says office retail commercial. The workplace district overall allows for a range of uses, including multifamily residential at 16 units an acre. We talked about this last time. So the modification of that to the community district. that we're looking at in the neighborhood districts still allows for residential, but at a lower density than the multifamily allowed in the workplace district. So it also still allows supporting commercial uses. So as Mark noted, the map shows commercial node locations that we've worked with staff to keep in the same location to activate that commercial retail, but it takes away that multifamily allowance.

So I think the point with that is, yes, you are taking out some of those higher intensity commercial and industrial type uses there because the market has shown those are locating into different parts of our overall general community. But there also is higher intensity residential that we're not asking to keep in there that we're pulling out and going down to the density that's being proposed and keeping what I would characterize more as neighborhood scale commercial so that you can have that within the fabric of the community.

What I'm trying to avoid here is the track build. One after another, after another, after another, after another. And that's what I'm trying to avoid in this whole section. That road can't take any more traffic. I just, I mean, I get it. It's all gonna be about the intensity to me, Mark. You know what I'm saying? And to... I don't want another tract builder neighborhood.

And I think that one of the things, in the staff materials, it notes that as part of this process, not only do we look at what this area allows, but also what has developed in the rest of the PCA district. And I think while the maximum overall intensity for that area is four units an acre, we've actually come in at about 2.81, if I remember correctly, somewhere in that range. So I think, you know, in all likelihood, now, again, you've got maximums that are being established by this. You've got trip maximums. You've got the mix requirements that are here. So all of that is designed to kind of provide that healthy mix for a community. But I think, you know, if the trend continues, you're going to end up seeing it come in somewhere below that maximum intensity that is there for the entire district. All right. Thank you.

And I will just echo one of the concerns that I think Councilman Green, and I think we actually all have it, is, you know, and I know you guys can appreciate our task. So, you know, for years, some of us have sat up here or been on planning commission boards and we get projects. And, you know, when you see projects in a presentation or you see them on paper and you try to visualize it, and you hear the traffic engineers come in and they talk about traffic count and how much more this road can actually handle and it's only a 45% capacity or whatever, but then those don't always correlate to life, like the perception, the reality of now, okay, that subdivision got built and that one got built and that one got built and now when I go down this road, It's horrible, right? It's a quality of life. What do we really get out of that? And I'm not knocking any one project or another. We've got some amazing residential and commercial projects in Port Orange. But the track builds, the high density, they seem to be a lot of the ones that yield challenges for us as a community that can't always be you can't always go back to fix it right you know it's like you have a home where they're on really tiny lot lines and and the builder goes in he builds a nice house but there's no parking the driveways are so short the bumper of a standard pickup truck overhangs and now everybody's got to park all their additional cars in the street and there's just and it's just always this constant thing in our police department our code enforcement and then we all hear it and we you know we look back at that project and we go well We didn't think it was gonna come out quite like that, right? So those are our things, just personally, and we always appreciate the back and forth and the insight from you guys, and we totally respect what your task is. And sometimes maybe we, as an elected body, don't always do the best job of conveying what our concerns really are, because I know for you guys, and for our staff, it comes down to the X's and the O's. You know, what does the zoning say, and how are the engineers gonna lay it out, and all that kind of stuff. With us, you look at drawings, and you look at plans, and you look at these agenda items, And you try to work through it in your mind, but you still really don't know what that impact is going to be like. And so to Councilman Green's point and concern and Gephardt's concern, we see this a lot and there's very few places left in Port Orange. We are almost at that built out. And so our hope is, is that the developers and the builders hear that. And while we know that there are development rights, rights to build, we get that. What we hope is they hear that and they can attach that personal side to our concerns that we echo from our residents and do the best they can to exceed the expectations and deliver an even better project.

yeah and that's that's that's really what a lot of it is and we appreciate that and i will say there's a lot of work here to be done right we're we're setting a framework and you know i've said in the past you know because traffic i think is is something that has come up in all of our discussions on all of these and i think one of the most forward-thinking things that the city did and working with the crossy family In 2003, I think it was, when this was ultimately adopted, was you started with laying out transportation networks. And one of the things that really, when I look at this plan and I look at what other communities do, you know, you have the rest of the network in this plan. And a partner, you know, with the Karasis that has worked with you for 20 years, You know for decades to work on the implementation of that and really this also represents the completion and the details matter And I think it starts with what's what's here It starts with you know what's been laid out with regard to the network and then how we come back and fill it I think the Central Park You know that that we're all working on you know here can can really make this a unique part of the city and we all appreciate that this is kind of one of the last open spaces here and Um, it's also one of the last, you know, kind of places that the, the, uh, crossings have significant holdings here. So I think it's important across the board and we appreciate, you know, knowing the details that you expect us to look at moving forward.

So appreciate you. Thank you very much.

I just have some more questions and it might be for staff probably. Okay. Thank you guys. I'm sorry. Thank you.

Okay. Welcome, sir. Thank you.

So right now on Office Industrial, would that be consistent with U.S. Foods and By light.

Yep. Basically, U.S. Foods is not part of it, but basically by light is what's in the office industrial area. And then the Thompson Pump then too.

But the zoning at U.S. Foods would be considered office industrial?

It would be an industrial zoning.

So with all the semis and coming in and out of there? Yes. So honestly, I'd rather have single family homes over there than a bunch of other semis. And that's what's happening. We're kind of getting away from that. We have it out there and it's gonna be down on towards Bevel Road on Williamson. I think there's a million square feet of innovation space with all of that. So we're gonna get away from that there by rezoning this to more of a neighborhood type feel instead of an industrial type feel.

Correct. And the area on Bevel and Williamson that you're talking about that's under construction now, that's what we found as we talked about in the last meeting where those uses wanted to locate was closer to the interchange of two interstates which makes a lot of sense it takes those heavy vehicles and puts them right on the interstate but that's about three million square feet maximum now we don't know that that'll be what is ultimately built there but that's what the the city of Daytona had approved for that that particular said three million three million on that for that particular property as a maximum now again we don't know where that ultimate number will come in That's kind of what I have for that. Thank you.

Thank you, Tim. Go ahead.

No, again, I can understand where you're coming from. My point being this, and it's like the mayor said, this is about the last of it that we don't have, and we need to be able to make the best out of this, and I don't think 50-foot lots is the best out of this property. So I'm not denying... know what could be but again i want that product to be the best product for everyone and uh again 50 foot lots is not a good product for port orange is there any way we could change that what i think i asked that question the last time was that

Could we, where we're rezoning the commercial industrial, can we say no to 50 foot lots? The way I understood it last time was that no, because it was already a part of the, help me out staff.

the community district in 2002 they established that as having the 50 foot lot width so that is already in the current code so basically they had proposed 40 foot that was removed and we're basically reverting back to the current code so there's really no change to that lot with requiring the community as proposed as orders it is maintaining what was approved in 2002. that ship sailed the plants reed thank you um

for just a moment here. Believe it or not, I am the second most tenured person on this dais. And that blows my mind from time to time. But in my time on here, we've had several zoning things come before us and they've always been interesting. Very rarely have we had the opportunity to bless a new property with a new zoning. Frequently that zonings were done in the 80s and in this case I believe it's 2002-2003. Whereas if this was a proposal coming forward on a agricultural land that's never been zoned out or whatever and they want to bring it in, we would have the negotiation power for sure to say, look, we want 60 foot lots or we want 80 foot lots or whatever it may be. In this particular case, I don't see how we would ever get there. Instead of seeing this as a unzoned property where we're trying to figure out how we get the best for Port Orange, which is the exact question we should be asking Lance all the time. I mean, I love the way you're tracking. This seems to me more like, here are all the puzzles pieces. How do you want to push them together? And the old version of this versus the new version, I do think this is more congruent with what people want in a community today now that's not to say i'm happy about 50 foot lots right i wouldn't buy that house but unfortunately with land prices in florida that's all a lot of people can afford um so the challenge for me is not how do we get to you know a different product it's it's where is this product going to be placed on this particular piece of property and i do think you you know that's why it was easy to say no to the 40 foot lots right because that was never going to happen because we're not going to allow for increased density ultimately it seems like this is either a net wash or actually a slight reduction and am i hearing this correctly it means there's absolutely zero chance of there being a data center on any of this is that what the quote was here tim are you gonna sorry to ask you here it's my only question i'm at the end of it now yeah so

We're not there yet, so we're still looking at the regulation of data centers. The moratorium that was discussed is in a city to the south of us. We're still weighing that out. We actually met earlier this afternoon on that topic, so still working out the regulations. You'll be seeing those coming up soon.

Well, and again, those things will be for councils after I, obviously. But the decisions we make today, as we're seeing in this case, can last 20, 30 years. So I appreciate you guys went back. I know what you're doing and why you're doing it. And overall, I do think... the placement of the zonings makes more sense. It doesn't mean I'm any happier than with the overall product than I would have been if you just left it alone and build it today. But if it's going to get built, it seems like the thought process here, the arrangement of the tiles makes more sense. And so that's where I am with it today.

Just to clarify, you don't have data center as a permitted use. So whether we do a moratorium or not, I think your question was the zoning, the area where you could put them.

The area where that would be a compatible use is being replaced in this exercise.

Well, good. That seems like another positive to me.

Tracy, did you have anything?

Now, just echoing Councilman Green, I do believe we do need to watch our properties as much as we can to make sure the density is lessened. This being a PCA and we're just changing where commercial was versus residential and vice versa, we're kind of tied to our hands on the 50-foot by 100 lot parameters. You all changed where we talked about at 40 foot, but that's not going to happen. So it's back to the old parameter as far as the setbacks and things of that nature. And Councilman Foley straight up, as far as the puzzle pieces call it, moving them around, business sense wise it makes sense. You have commercial strictly on Williamson and then the rest of the property is all living space. It's a dealt hand that was done back in 2002. And I think that's what the general population needs to understand for Port Orange is this is something that was decided in 2002, and we have very little what we can and can't do with this.

Scott? Anybody else from the public wish to speak to it?

Mr. Mayor, can I comment on this? Sure. So, and Wayne, help me with this. The property that is currently designated industrial and retail and etc., The 50-foot parameters don't apply to that property as of right now because it's zoned industrial. It's not zoned residential at this time. So that doesn't apply, no?

It's not like a traditional zoning district where you have an industrial district and a residential district and a commercial district. So it was created as kind of a mixed use. And so any part of that could have some residential, some commercial. So the portion of it that could be residential follows the residential rules. the part that's commercial follows commercial. So the area that they're shifting was predominantly by the ratios in this complex code going to be more likely to be the commercial industrial, but they could do a residential component and it would be subject to those rules. I don't think they were going to build a single family neighborhood on Williamson right next to an industrial building, but the area farther in would have allowed some residential components in which cases those rules would have applied to them.

I'm confused. So if I'm looking at this and it says 75 acres of office industrial.

It had a component that also allowed other uses. That was a title. But residential? That is partially allowed. That area where all the apartments are was one of those colors in the beginning, right? A white palm and all those other areas are still in the purple on there and you have nothing but an apartment complex.

And that's office industrial use?

Yeah, I do just want to...

Hold on one second. Give me just a second. Tim, can you pull up the slide for us here? I think Councilman Green is in the agenda looking at the staff report. Is that the image you're looking at? Page 9. We're talking about something.

Yeah, page 9. Are you looking at the top half or the bottom? I've got them both.

Okay. The existing versus the proposed.

Existing or the proposed name.

Take your time, Robin and Tim. We're going to reference an image. We might as well all be looking at it here. The area that he's talking about, one of the areas that categories aren't exclusive like old school zoning.

They're very confusing.

Maybe it's really hot because the AC's, you know. I can hand you my laptop if it plugs in.

I'm about to need a recess.

We were so close.

I started chugging this water over here.

Sorry guys.

It's part of the process.

Hey! Alright. Back to Councilman Green to make sure we understand which portion of these titles

So again, I'm saying as an example, the office industrial, 75 acres that I'm looking at right there, you're telling me that we could put 50 foot lots on there?

Under the current regulations, you can put 18 foot wide lots there, as long as they are for seniors.

In the industrial district?

Correct. Wayne, is that right?

it's on page 21 of your staff it's a very complex ordinance and it has a lot of flexibility for various uses and the the more intense uses were intended for like those are like townhouse type tight small lot so Don't get hung up on the specific tile. Each one of those tiles had a lot of flexibility. You just had five different types of uses, and you had a range. It had to be at least 10% of this kind, and 20% of this kind, and 20% of that, and that's how you made it all up. Like I said, it's not like a standard zoning district where that's an industrial block, and you're changing that to residentials. You could have put residential in there. Those two big blocks of purple down at the bottom are exactly the same thing in the original zoning from the early 2000s. And they're two big apartment complexes.

But it says multifamily.

That got changed on this map. But in the original, the color and all the zoning documentation is the same. That's just a graphic map to show you what's there.

Okay. Okay.

But you could do some residential in those areas. It's just a mixture of it.

That's a buzzkill.

Sorry.

Theoretically, way back then, you'd get this really good mixture of walkable downtowns, and we just never really had the demographics or the market for that to come about.

All right. Thank you.

Thank you guys for taking a moment, everybody, to make sure we got clarity on what we were talking about there. Anybody else in the public wish to speak to this? Come on up, Kristen.

so listening during my day job i deal with this all day long as well affordable home ownership should be the primary discussion here living in port orange for over 40 years i have seen the increase in how much it costs to purchase a house here um a 50 by 100 foot lot is sufficient for a house. It could be a sufficient house for a first-time home buyer. It's also sufficient in an area where that person can also walk to work. We have a lot of trans, we have, oh, Chris Cunningham. 150 Sweet Gun Lane, Port Orange, sorry. And there is more to this for the community than just worrying about how big a place can be so that we can not make it look cookie cutter. I'm no fan of cookie cutter, but I am a fan of helping people get to a place where they can live affordably and also worry about how they're going to bring their children to a town that has a wonderful school opportunity. There's more opportunity here than there are in other towns. And if this can be part of how we make that happen, then we shouldn't be fighting this. We should be helping this. We should be looking at what is being changed Where'd they go? They changed. And help our people get here to our town. So whether we are looking at lot size, builders know how to build houses that can fit on that lot size. They know how to do it. We do it all day long, but we have to get in our mindset that we are going to help our community expand. Mr. Clark says we've had the walking area and the parks and so on. There's now a push to have a park within 10 minutes of where everybody lives. That's a new national campaign. We need to do things like that. So to complain about a 50 by 100, We can build that house and we can bring people in that are going to enrich our community by bringing in people that maybe have not been able to live here before. Thank you.

Thank you. Anybody else from the public wish to speak? All right, back to council. Council, last chance for comments. No on that end, no on this end. The clerk called the roll.

Councilman Foley? Yes. Councilman Gifford? Yes. Councilman Gray? No. Vice Mayor Gross? Yes. Mayor Sullivan? No. 3-2.

Good luck. Do your best. Thank you all. Thank you guys for your time and your patience and for the opportunity to engage. We appreciate it. We'll bring us to the regular agenda portion for item 18, first reading of ordinance number 2026-7.

That's an ordinance of the City of Florence, Volusia County, Florida, repealing and replacing chapter 82, article 2 of the City of Florence Code of Ordinances related to the use, operation, and mooring of watercraft and city waterways, providing for definitions, providing for regulation of the anchorage of vessels, liveaboard vessels, floating structures, and commercial vessels, including exceptions thereto, providing for procedures for removal of vessels and impoundment, along with the collection of costs associated therewith, Provide prohibiting level board vessels floating structures and commercial vessels in certain areas providing for enforcement and penalties Providing for codification severability and an effective date I have a motion to approve on first reading ordinance number 2026-7 Move to approve ordinance number 2026-7 second

motion in a second. All yours.

I apologize for making that title so long. It took just now to hear it for me to realize just how dirty that was. The more you have for the city attorney to lead and all, that's the best. Good evening, everyone. My name is Jared Trenton. I'm an assistant city attorney here. And my job today is to give a general overview of what this waterway ordinance has included within it. So this ordinance is repealing and replacing The entirety of Chapter 82, Article 2 of our code. And this was written initially in the 80s. Some work was done on it in the early 90s, but since then nothing has happened with it. And so recently there were some updates to the laws that relates to state waters, city waters, and the regulation of anchoring and mooring. And so it felt like the best time to us to update that, make sure we're compliant with everything new going on, and make sure we just tack in things there that are necessary. So with these recent additions and revisions, we had the major objectives going forward for regulating the city docks, enforce against derelict vessels in the water, and to create an impoundment process to have enforcement actually have teeth to it as well as an impoundment hearing process to comply with due process requirements. Now, I do want to emphasize that state law here is pretty pretty thorough. They've preempted a lot of this and so it is narrowly tailored and specifically drafted to comply with that state preemption. You'll notice in a lot of the sections here we specify exactly what type of vessel is being required or regulated in these sections. You'll notice there are notice provisions provided throughout and it specifies which kinds are being regulated and how much time is provided based on that and that's all to reflect what I was talking about and that the state's been very thorough with what they've preempted for us. Now, the best way I can describe the general ordinance structure is that it's supposed to just flow sequentially. We start with the enforcement of anchoring and mooring in city waters. We follow this with the enforcement and notice penalties provisions. This includes the timelines that we have to give them prior to giving any kind of fines or fees and timeline requirements prior to impounding a vessel. And with that, of course, came the impound and hearing process that we developed. It's a whole new process to go before a code enforcement special magistrate type of situation. And With that, that covers most of that initial part of it. Really, the intent was just to be, you know, as thorough as we could be without running into preemption problems. And lastly, really just the parameters with the use of the city dock. I know you guys were talking about that coming out soon. This really puts just a limitation on the duration that people can park their boats there. And it gives us some teeth for giving them fines and, you know, barring it has to happen, potentially taking that as a total getaway and whatnot. But yeah, that about covers it. And I apologize if I was a little quick. Do you guys have any questions for me?

Good. So a lot of this has been very much needed. And I think for most all of us being, you know, We're on the water a lot ourselves. Personally, we've all got boats and we enjoy the waterway and on top of what we see out there on our own time, we see as an elected body, you know, derelict vessels destroying our docks and washing up every time there's a storm of any magnitude and, you know, when somebody doesn't properly anchor or moor a vessel and the damage that it not only does to government property but residential property I mean plenty of our homeowners that live on the water have had their docks and vessels damaged over the years by these derelict vessels or improperly anchored and moored vessels so it's a real problem not only in our area, but all over the east coast of the state of Florida. I'm very familiar that in parts of South Florida, they have hit the ground running with this. You know, you go down in Palm Beach County and Broward and Dade County, they have major mooring and anchoring issues down there. They actually have task forces that are out there, you know, implementing and enforcing a lot of this new legislation and looking for those avenues and angles to try to take care of those things to avoid the problems that just seem to never go away, never get any better. in particular interest for me is that our boat ramp facility is incredibly popular. And not only by our residents, but regional residents in our state. But it has limitations. There's only so much parking. And when people want to come in and out of the facility, we need to be able to have them doing that efficiently. And when you get these derelict vessels and these little boards, and then they make our docks and our ramps part of a private marina that they just tie up for days and days on end, we have to have a mechanism to do something about that. Because when we don't, that efficiency of the residents and the regional foot visitors using that stuff, it totally breaks down and it just becomes problematic. We've all seen that. So they also don't seem to care what damage they do to our infrastructure there and our property and our facility. So I appreciate the city attorney's office working to get this brought before us and tighten up where we can tighten up. And now logistically, which always seems to be one of our challenges, but we've got partners in the area with other law enforcement agencies. So when we need assistance, I'm sure we can reach out to you.

I think Senator Wright was actually one instrumental in setting aside funds for getting derelict boats out of the river. He got a lot of funding set aside within the last couple of years, got a lot of them cleaned up because it is bad. And I appreciate us cleaning this up because we do need it badly. And so I'm glad we're taking care of this and getting it done.

You guys got anything to say?

I do. Thank you. You have no idea. It's an arduous task going through maritime law. I unfortunately have to read it quite a bit. I deal with derelict vessels a lot. So this coming before us is an automatic yes for me because this speeds the process up to handle vessels that are leeching their guts out into the river and the waterway. It's an environmental impact that is just a nightmare people just don't understand. The quicker we can get them removed, the better it is for our waterways, the safer it is for other boaters that we don't have obstacles out there, and then just all around what it does to the fisheries. So, thank you.

I would encourage the city manager's office and our staff to keep their eyes on the grant possibility and funding possibilities out of Tallahassee that always seems to be a slow evolving, what's the next trend, but there has been some indications in Tallahassee of state appropriations dollars and grants and funding and stuff. geared more towards municipalities that have waterways and improving access for your community and different things like that. So we never know what may present itself there. So us doing stuff like this usually will help us because we can utilize that when we're asking for those kinds of dollars.

Anything else for us? No, sir. All right, thanks.

Anybody else in the public wish to speak to this item? All right, back to council. Anything else, gentlemen?

Councilman Foley? Yes. Councilman Gifford? Yes. Councilman Green? Yes. Vice Mayor Krups? Yes. Mayor Stilwell?

Yes. 5-0. Item 19, first reading of ordinance number 2026-12.

It's an ordinance of the City of Port Orange, Volusia County, Florida, amending Chapter 2, Article 3, Section 2118, Code of Ordinances to reduce the number of members in the Environmental Advisory Board. Amending 2-119, code of ordinances to provide for updated appointment terms. Amending 2-121, code of ordinances to reduce the number of board members necessary to form a quorum. Provide for codification, repeal of conflicting ordinances, severability, and an effective date.

Can I get a motion and a second to approve ordinance number 2026-12?

I move to approve ordinance number 2026-1T.

Second. We have a motion and a second.

Wayne, is there anybody to present to this? It's fairly straightforward. The title that Attorney Redd covers it, it lowers the number. We have a very dedicated group of about four people, but it's been hard to get a quorum there. And so Tim went to the board. They agreed, supported the lowering the number. That dedicated group will now make the quorum. The ordinance itself clarifies the number of members, how they're staggered terms, and then what takes a quorum. and we think it'll help make sure that they are fully staffed.

My only question that I have, we appointed three people, re-appointed three people, so how many total members do we have now?

Four, one open space.

Okay. Oh, wow. I just want to make sure we didn't just appoint to six and we're about to cut to five. No, no.

Competition's thin in this spot right now, so it's a great time if you're interested.

Hey, you know what?

That was my first position here. Always an opportunity for somebody. All of you wish to speak to this?

Come on up, welcome.

Welcome home.

Yeah, my name's Jerry Kramer. I live 4646 South Moon Trail, Port Orange. Been here for 33 years. And what I'm here to propose to the city council is, at my expense, I'm going to put a Purple Heart monument in the Veterans Park, in the city center, if the council approves it and is willing to go along with it and back me up on it.

Okay. So for this particular agenda item, that wouldn't be a discussion we can have, but if you will touch base with our clerk, we will definitely get the right staff members. I love the idea. And we could get staff to work that out with you and see what you've got in mind, and they can bring that back to council for feedback.

Okay.

For sure.

Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you for your service.

Anybody else wish to speak on agenda item 19? All right.

Back to council.

If none, call the roll.

Councilman Miller? Yes. Councilman Gifford? Yes.

Councilman Green? Oh, sorry. For agenda item 19? Yes. Come on up. I'm sorry, I missed you. I didn't see you.

I'm sorry. So I'm Lisa Curley, 6029 Windingridge Lane. And I've also emailed the two of you. So I have a question about the Environmental Advisory Board. Can you please expand on... what is required for that fourth person and whether or not I answer the call.

Awesome. If you live in the city, you can go on our website or our clerk's office can show you where to fill out an application that you want to serve on one of our advisory boards. You can actually check all your interest for all the advisory boards. It doesn't have to be one. It can be one or multiple boards and If you're interested, we'd love to have you do that. It would be great. There's two members sitting right there. Yeah, we can tell you all about it.

And there's one open slot. And what would be the consequence of passing what you're trying to do right now as far as having fewer people?

No consequences. This allows them to have a quorum with less people.

The consequence is if you have seven seats and you have to have a quorum, and you can't get the minimum number of people to have a quorum, you can't have a meeting. So the meeting has to follow legal guidelines. So you have to have enough people to be there to substantiate a quorum where you can't even hold the meeting. So that's been a problem in the past, not only with this board, with some other boards where the intentions were good, you had five seats or seven seats or nine seats or however many, and then every time there's a meeting, only three people show up. And that's just not going to work. So in this particular case, this becomes a more efficient and effective way to be able to make sure that when these meetings need to be held, there's going to be the minimal amount at least to show up.

Fantastic. Thank you so much.

Yeah, no problem.

We are going to double the pay.

Yeah. all right back to council i'm sorry here can you go ahead and call the role yes councilman foley can i vote yes do it again yes yes yes uh councilman green yes vice mayor yes yes 5-0 all right great meeting anything else to come before us tonight if not everybody drive home and safely and have a good night well my man as you know