Planning Board - Regular Meeting

and you're on. Okay. Like to call this meeting of the Ponttomps Planning Board to order. Formal written advanced notice of required by NJSA 4104-1 at SEC has been provided of this meeting at least 48 hours in advance of today giving the time date and location and to the extent known at the time the agenda of the meeting. Such notice stated that formal action may or may not be taken. The notice was posted on the bulletin board outside of the offices of the municipal clerk reserved for this and other similar announcements provided to the suburban trends the newspaper designated by the burough council to receive such notices and filed with the burough clerk. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. I have roll call, please. Okay. Mr. Simone here. Mr. Otto here. Mr. Trro here. Dr. Pendexter. Uh Mr. Bulby here. Uh Mr. Keading here. Mayor Sarah here. Councilman Quinn here. Uh Mr. BMA here. and Mr. Foster here. Okay. First item on the agenda is minutes of the regular meeting for May 20, 2025. Have you all had a chance to review the minutes? And are there any comments? I'll look for a motion to approve if so. Motion. Second. Second. Okay. Any discussion on the motion? Any corrections? Okay. Oh, I'm sorry. She want to know who

moved and second. So, okay. Roll call. Yeah. Roll call. Okay. Uh, Mr. Simone. Uh, present. Mr. Otto. Yes. Mr. Tro. Yes. Mr. Bulby. Yes. Mr. Keading. Yes. Mayor Sarah. Yes. Councilman Quinn is present. Mr. Bootsma. Yes. Mr. Foster. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Approval of bills. Donald Engineering Associates. Do we need a motion on that or just Yeah, we do. Okay. Just the total amount. The amount. The total amount. Yeah. $1,930 as one uh and $230 is the other for a total of $2,160. Then I have a motion, please. Make a motion. I'll second it. Okay. Anything involved? Yep. Any questions? Okay. All in favor? I Any opposed? Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Before we go any further, what I'm going to do is I'm going to adjust the um the application sequence on here. We're going to do the H2M Associates housing element first. Uh that one is critical because it has to be into the state by the end of June and it's off to go to the council meeting after this. So, we'll do that one first. The second one we're going to do is going to be the uh high school or pump lakes board of ed for the running track etc down at Hersfield Park and then we'll go back to the regular order which is Sarah realy and wanq avenue. Uh that's applications 251 and 252. So just letting you know that that's the sequence we're going to follow. Also because we have so many people here tonight. Thank you for coming. We appreciate having the input from the public. We don't see it too often. Uh the way this works is we will have four

things on the agenda tonight. Each one will have a public comment period. So whatever we discuss, there will be discussion among the body. At one point or another, I will say it's open to the public. If you care to speak to anything on that particular application, please come up here. There's a microphone here. You just need to state your name and home address and then we'll move on to your questions. And then for the next application, the same thing. And you're welcome to stand up at each time and speak to all four if you wish. And then there'll be one final opportunity after everything is done and over for any comments that are other than applications. So that's just kind of how we're going to run the meeting tonight. Okay. First thing is correspondence memo from Liz Brandness from the Burrow of Oakland. They're doing the same thing we are with a fourth round housing element and fair share plan. This is required. It's mandated by the state. There's another uh memo from Brandis appointing council leazison's own Patrick Quinn to the planning board to fill an empty slot. Welcome Mr. Quinn. Thank you. Uh with that said, uh let's go right to H2M Associates and this is for the burden's fourth round housing element and fair share plan. Um I will ask our attorney if you want to say anything before I get started. Go right ahead. Thank you. Um as you all may remember from last some of you may remember from last uh meeting if you here um one of the tasks one of the jobs of the planning board is to adopt the master plan for the burrow. Um you you know you update that periodically too. Um and there are several elements. One is the housing element. Um, as you also may know, um, New Jersey has an affordable housing obligation, um, that has been around since the mid 1970s and a series of, um, Supreme Court, New Jersey Supreme Court cases called the Mount Laural decisions, um, that have found that all municipalities in the state of New Jersey have an obligation to provide a reasonable expectation of affordable

housing. uh and now exactly putting a definition on that has been a battle for the last 45 years. But um currently the manner in which that is determined is legislation that was signed about a year and a half ago by Governor Murphy by which um the DCA sets a target number. The all the municipalities can debate and um decide whether they want to challenge that a little bit. Um, and if you go through the process of working with with the DCA and going through that, then you are immune from lawsuits by builders. Builders remedy suits are things that happen when there the affordable housing obligation is unmet by a municipality and a builder can come in and say, I want to build multi-level, you know, twotory building over there with multi units to satisfy your obligation. And the court may allow that to happen. So in order to um make the decision ourselves, the burrow, uh the burrow has worked through that process um and in and and worked with son and H2M to develop a plan whereby the number that was calculated and agreed upon how it could be satisfied. Um and that that involves allowing for certain number of affordable housing units to potentially be put in certain areas of the burough has to be done. Um and so in order for that to happen eventually the zone and ordinances will have to get changed prior to that you have to have in your master plan that would allow for that because all ordinances must be consistent with your master plan. So that's what's on for tonight. Every every municipality in the state of New Jersey has been doing this for the last two months. Um and we kind of had a prep session last last month and this is now the adoption of the housing element and fair share plan of uh it's a portion of your master plan. That's what's before you tonight. Some

will present um if you have any questions um obviously ask the questions then I mean the members of the public but then you'll also we also have then have a resolution that um you know barring a lightning strike must be adopted. So, the barrel remains in uh compliance uh and is not subject to a builder's remedy suit. With that being said, I would ask that some be sworn in and present uh the the plan that's before you. Please, please raise your right hand, state your name, and spell your last. I'm sorry. State your name and spell your last. Okay. Uh the name is Senita Sanchavan. My last name is C H A V A N. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you'll give this evening before this board will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to help you got? I do. And I'd just like to note that the plan that she'll be discussing uh has been um on file with the the clerk and the secretary of the board members have been received a copy. It's online uh and all the notices have been provided. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening everyone. Um as you know, I was here a month ago. I provided a brief overview. uh some of you weren't present. So um few of my first few slides would just provide an overview of the process that Andy eloquently presented. Um so uh as I'm uh you know municipalities have a constitutional obligation. I I also have uh shared uh printouts of my PowerPoint. Um so municipalities have a constitutional obligation to adopt the housing plan element and fair share plan and uh the fair housing act was a legislative response to the two landmarks Mount Laurel cases and it provided a basis for establishing the council on affordable uh housing. So we always talk about COA that's what the acronym stands for and

this slide basically just provides you an overview uh since the past 30 years and as you all know the burrow has strived to maintain compliance with the New Jersey Fair Housing Act especially through the numerous iterations of the third round uh plans to comp and it plans to uh comply with the fourth round as well. So this slide basically provides you with the background. Um the governor signed A4 S50 bill on March 20th, 2024. So it's been around for more than a year. Um the bill amended the Fair Housing Act. eliminated co-a created new processes um uh updated and changed uh the previous roles and assigned the department of community affairs to allocate obligation for each municipality was published in October uh of last year and that's a fourth uh specific deadlines and I'll get to it in a bit. Um so when when we talk about affordable housing um and you know every municipality has to provide their fair share for the region um this is all uh mandated through the uh legislation. uh has been around for as I said almost 40 years and um the state is divided into six housing regions and the DCA calculated affordable housing for each of those regions and um the Fountain Lakes is part of housing region one which consists of Oregon, Hudson, Ps and Sussex counties. Um so for region one um what is affordable housing? So affordable housing is uh housing that's rented or

sold uh by households that are classified as low and mod. Uh and um the municipality must provide for units as per their uh fair share and uh each affordable unit must be reserved for uh lower moderate income uh uh for a period up to 40 years and this is enforced through a deed restriction. And what I did in this slide is to give you an understanding of what really um constitutes median moderate income. So for example, if you look at that uh the table, if you look at a four person household um you know any uh any uh um annual income of 101,000 or lower is considered moderate income. um 63,000 uh and lower is considered low income and uh this is as for the HUD calculations. This is given to us by the state. Um now for home ownership units the monthly carrying costs which is like mortgage, homeowner etc etc should not exceed 28% of their uh annual income, the household income. And for a rental unit, the rent for their housing should not exceed 30% of uh their monthly income. So those are the uh two thresholds uh to um establish affordability in uh in New Jersey. Um now this slide talks about all the mandatory uh deadlines. So the first we have to adopt a binding resolution which um we did on uh January uh 22nd. The governing body needed to uh adopt that

and the second uh part is now where we are to adopt the fourth round um plan which has a deadline of um June 30th. Now, as um as our attorney mentioned, if a municipality does not adopt uh the housing plan, uh you know, it the uh we are susceptible to builder's remedy lawsuits. Um so the role of the planning board is to adopt uh the housing plan element, but unlike the master plan, it's entirely adopted by the planning board. In this case for a housing plan element and fair share plan it needs to be endorsed by the governing body. So the next step would be uh at the next meeting the governing body would endorse this. Um they have to adopt spending plans supporting resolutions ordinances etc etc. Um so I go on to the next. What are the required contents of a housing plan element? So uh you know the document that I submitted is basically based on uh what's required by statute. So we look at what the population demographic changes um employment characteristics, housing stock. Uh we also look at lands most appropriate for construction of low and moderate income housing. um uh and uh you know if it's within highlands we analyze compliance with highlands and also look at consistency with the New Jersey state development and redevelopment law uh plan sorry. So um based on the DCA uh number we have two or two things that we need

to satisfy. First is present need which is rehabilitation share. It's an estimate of existing uh deficient housing uh currently occupied by low and mod income housing. Um they use census data. There's a whole process that they've been using for the past 45 years. Um so our al obligation is 45 and what that means is we don't have to um do anything except have a program in place which we've had we um I think uh we have triad who is our affordable housing administrator. So um this is just a continuation of that. But then a new thing is uh which is new construction obligation which is prospective need and this reflects the number of units that must be created or zoned or planned for the period from 2025 uh until 2035. So the next 10 years and that obligation is a total of 105. So um the statutes changed and you know basically um there are certain percentage that needs to be uh allocated to family housing there's a threshold for age restricted housing rental housing and um low income very low income uh and there is that threshold as I mentioned uh here that is applicable able to all affordable housing plans throughout the state. Um this is as per the statutes. So uh now really what is important is can we really plan all the 105 units um which we all know that the town is built out

right but the statutes allow for something called as a vacant land uh analysis. Uh so when a municipality like Pontton Lake lacks sufficient developable land um then it's entitled to a vacant land uh adjustment where a municipality is required to identify how much of vacant land uh is truly available and and based on that they create uh they must create a realistic development of opportunity uh which is called as the realist uh RDP the acronym is RD IDP and we did um an analysis. We looked at all the vacant parcels uh environmental constraints etc etc which have been included in the appendix and um you know uh uh quantum lakes has no vacant land available. So therefore the RDP is zero. Uh the 105 units then is now what we call as unmet need. And what that means is it has changed with the new statutes with the APOR legislation. In the past you could just say okay this is your unmet need we understand we need to satisfy. In this iteration um the legislation wants to um adj u wants to provide mechanisms to um address at least 25% of of the adjusted numbers. So 25% of 105 is about 27 and again the legislation is not clear. We are not sure what it means but this is the most conservative approach. So uh we have taken that into consideration. So again uh the vacant land uh I've submitted plans showing how it's enuumbered

as you can see from here it's either built or it's encumbered by uh green acres the red building are all public property which are in the Rossi or easements etc etc so we really don't have um land available um So moving on to the next slide. So how are we going to address the 27 units and our prior round and I'd mentioned this in uh at our main meeting. The prior round had anticipated planning for the future rounds and in that one uh was the you know the Tilco uh Til Tilcon quarry site and the areas around it which was um proposed to be reszoned to um AH1 which the governing body uh did that in December on December 4th, 2019 through ordinance number 1926. So we already have that uh affordable housing zone and um we anticipate that uh this will create a total of um 27 affordable units which can be used to address our uh uh affordable housing need. So this shows the Tilcom quarry area and um you can see from this uh image which you know the area that got reszoned and uh as I mentioned uh to approximately 136 units with uh 27 affordable which is a 20% set aside. Oops. So this is it. I'm at the end of my presentation and you know there to take any questions.

Thank you. Okay, I will go to the board first to see if you all have any questions about the presentation and what the state numbers are and what our method is of satisfying the state numbers. I general my questions answered last. Okay. Anybody on the board have any questions? Okay. This is we're required to have a public session on this so that the public has a chance to comment on this. It becomes part of the record. If you care to uh comment on this, come forward again, state your name, your address, and you will be sworn in for this because it needs to go on the record to the state. So, with that said, does anyone in the audience uh care to participate in the open session? Uh seeing none, I'm going to close the public session. We'll just note that there were no comments. There's no comments. Mhm. Uh and if the board is satisfied doesn't have any questions, you do have a resolution uh that I prepared that we prepared. I think sure he did or we did. Um but it's on for the resolutions. It's the adopting the ele the housing element fair share plan and amending your master plan. So uh if there are no questions and you're satisfied, I would recommend that that be considered for approval. Okay. So I need a motion to approve the resolution adopting the housing element and fair share plan and amending master plan for the borrow of pump and lakes. I need a motion in a second. I'll make the motion. Mr. Trost second, Mr. Key. Okay. Any discussion on the resolution which was prepared for this specific reason? Seeing none, um I will take a roll call vote on this, please. Okay. Mr. Simone. Yes. Mr. Yes. Mr. Tro, yes. Mr. Baldby, yes. Mr. Kading, yes. Mayor

Sarah, yes. Councilman Quinn, yes. Um, Mr. BSMA, yes. And Mr. Foster, yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you everyone. Thanks Assan for taking the time. This has put a lot of hours between the board administrator son even myself the attorneys to put this together to bring it to these boards. This is a year process to make this happen and it's on a time. So thank you for all the time and then once you get it for your next meeting then it's and I'll note that this is not son's first this week. She has more and she has more next week too. So this is every municipality in the state of New Jersey. Next week next week I'll see you. As I said earlier this correspondence at Oakland is be going to be doing this exact same thing. M thank you son. Mhm. Okay. So the next item now we're going to go to for expedience is the uh high school which was application number 25-03 land associates engineering planning architecture and surveying Pumble Lakes Board of Education 14 Hersburg Park Place 8706 lots one and four zone R4. It's a capital review PL project for synthetic track bleachers and press box. And if you would briefly explain the purpose of this and our limitations on reviewing this. Thank you. Uh again, this is one of the the different tasks that the committee board has. You've had a few of these come before you. It's called a capital review. It's section 31 of the municipal land use law. If a governmental entity in the municipality is going to be expending funds on a land use project development, um they come to the board to present. This is not an application. It's not there's no reason for people to be sworn in, although I'm sure they'll all tell the truth, but it is an explanation of what the board intends to do. Your job is to review it

and to give comments on uh its consistency with the master plan, any other other recommendations you may have. Um, and it's kind of open-ended whether you know if there's any inconsistencies with your ordinance or your master plan on how they might want to build it. It might might be perfectly consistent, but it is not something that you approve or disapprove. They are obligated to present to you. you you pro you provide uh your thoughts on it consistency with master plan and any other comments and at the end I think I do have a resolution for you to consider at the end essentially checking off this box that they have done their capital review that being said I would turn it over to welcome thank you uh so what you have in front of you is a proposed plan for improvements to the port of edown owned property down at Hersfield Park it includes a uh replacement of the bleachers on both sides, replacing the existing press box and uh replacing the cinder track with syn all weather synthetic track. Uh that the limitation on the project for various reasons uh is that uh the board of us to stay within the existing footprint. Um so in looking at all of the possible options and uh it's been a priority of the board for a number of years to make improvements down at Hersfield. Uh this is what we think is the best path forward. Uh to my right is FA Shei. She is an engineer with LAN Associates which is the uh architectural and engineering firm that the board uses. Thank you for introduction. Hi everyone, my name is Fi. I'm a professional engineer licensed in state of New Jersey. My l my current license is valid until April 2026. I'm currently employed by land

associates in Midland Park um Bergen County. I have been testified as as um a professional engineer in Pamis Bergen County Pacstone Somerset County and also I've been testified at this board for the Lakeside Middle School bleacher project um last year I think. Um so I will quickly walk through the scope of work and some background information on this project. Just you know the electronic copy um very it's different than the u latest site plan that I have sent to the professionals and the board. So this is a little bit slight change on the screen right now. Um the district wishes to improve their athletic facilities by replacing the running track, press box and the bleachers along with um the fencings parameter fencings um sidewalk installation. So this is the this shows the new improvement that we have um about oop sorry fire alarm um we are going to propose four lanes of the rubberized running track um and we're going to provide about 800 seating for the home site which is plan north where my first is and we're providing five about 500 seating capacities for the visitor bleacher at the plan south and just you know the river is at the bottom of the plan and the north is to the left hand side um

and our site is um currently located um sits on Horsch View Park Place and the site is bordered with the borrow property piece. Um, so I cover. Um, because the disturbance is over 1 acre, this triggers the project to be a major development defined by NGAC78. We have proposed a two and a half deep storm water basin at this location. Um two at this location uh no just just one. Yeah, we we combined it. So it's showing two basin right now but uh we have to we have revised it to be just one basin at this location. Um uh so the basin is to address the additional storm water runoffs. Um we have sized the outlet control and the basin to meet the current and projected storm events required by NJD. Um we are going to let me move to the next slide. Oh, I don't have We're going to pipe the storm water and connect to the catch basin on the street which is uh this one if you can see my mouse. Um so all the all the work will be done within the school district properties except for the

demolition of the current press box which is at the plan um south. Um we we will have the borrow to sign off the property owner certificate at one point in the future to allow us to um officially removing the current press box. We will back fill and stabilize the ground once the foundation has been removed. I'm going to cover the curt review comments provided by Kolier. Um so the first comment is we have to address that the applicant may wish to provide testimony as to whether these items will be salvaged and reutilized. So the school will be reusing the batting page. Um for so the school will be reutilized the batting page we have to we have confirmed with with the school. The second comment is um the applicant should provide confirmation of the presence or absence of either the um asbestous removal. So we are working with the school to get the records or reports of whether the current press box has asbestous or not. So it's in the process. Should I go over these comments at at the board? Yeah, she you should because if not she will have to as well. Okay. Okay. So we'll just coordinate it

between the two of you. Um okay the common C is um ADA compliant [Music] appears both these um so so most of these are just uh nothing for me to address. Um I think come and see is a statement clearly about the sidewalks. It was not a question. Right. Right. Right. I agree with you on that one. Okay. Yeah. Also, you are the engineer. Um, so I would move to number two, gradings drainage site. Uh, number D, the site plan proposed to vegetate storm water infiltration basin. Initially, yes. Um, but we have revised the plan because we did the storm water analysis that we can just combine them in into one. I think you probably received our latest site plan physical. Okay. So all all the updates are there. There was just a discrepancy between the plans and then you had drainage plans within the storm water report and they were they were different. So yes. Yes. Because this were um very schematic that we used for the um department department of education submission. So um later we had the full design. Okay. Thank you. Um so number E is still the same testimony on the storm water regulations. Uh number F is applicant should provide testimony to confirm the lighting. So because the existing lighting that the school district has rarely use it um and it's also going to be conflict with the new bleacher and the press box installation. So the school has agreed to remove it completely.

So there will be no lighting of the field whatsoever. Right. So those existing lights, those are the old lights on the one side. We used to use those when the clocks changed and we were uh the season was beyond the uh daylight savings time. Now uh if and when that happens, the football team just moves up to Lakeside to practice where we have the lights. So there's really no need for those lights. And the press box is going to the other side. uh because we can fit more bleachers uh on that side and uh without disrupting the batting cage which is on the current home side. Um so there's no plan at this time to add lighting. So we would continue playing Saturday afternoon. Thank you for confirming. Yeah, I just noticed you were removing lights and that there were none going back in. So in terms of timing when the kids use the field, that's what my concern was. Yeah, there's just three set three or four set banks of lights that they've been there for 30 years at the emergency lights for the police. Sure. Yeah. Uh I think I address all your comments. Um does anyone have additional comments or questions? Anybody on the engineering portion of it? I would assume that it the reason that there's four lanes is because you can't get another couple of lanes in there to make it like an official, right? So, we looked at a 400 meter regulation, six lane track, even a five lane track, four lane track, and it would that track would extend beyond the existing footprint. It would have to be angled actually um on about a 30° angle and it it would encroach upon a designated green acres space. Um, so we we had a meeting with the D and yeah, it just seemed that that could potentially delay the project many years and and not even not even

being sure at the end of that review that we'll be able to do anything. So I think it's a 330 yard track. Uh, but it would be four consistent lanes. Uh, synthetic, you know, all rubberized track. uh we would the advantage would be that our at least our sprinters. Uh it's a 110 meter run on the the north side which is uh enough for uh the spring boys hurdles uh girls hurdles 100 meter sprinters. So uh right now we don't even have that uh for the kids and of course it would be open to the community and I think an improvement for everyone. Do you have a time frame when this would start and how long it would take to complete? um start I think it's a 14month lead time yet um is it before yeah because first um after like a final design we have to submit for D to get individual permit because it's in a flat way so that's going to take about at least I would say half year to a month sure or a year of of review um then once we get permits we we can go how to be that's so we had slotted uh after the fall of 2026 football season if if things kind of move along so okay that's about a year year and a half um does any board member have any questions right now I have an additional question just going off of the lighting question that we talked about a little bit earlier I understand that you know you can use lakeside as a resource and that it's best to just get it going as quick as possible the only question is you you know, in the event that lakeside becomes an overutilized resource if the school system expands, if more people want to use that field, is there the possibility for, you know, possibly adding in lighting at a later date? Do you have the space for that or have you

considered that? So, I think the the lights that exist shine on a small portion of what's considered the practice football field. So, it's not they've never been used for actual games or or large uh spectator events. It's really just to shine some light when it gets dark early in the fall on on the practice uh on a 30 40 yard practice uh portion of the practice field. Um we I mean down the road it's possible that lights could be added if they're allowed to be added. I would defer to the engineer on what the limitations are. That would be another capital review that we got back. Sure. Yeah. We we h um after the running track this project, we have the space for the sidelining. It's just uh for school to come consider for next space. All I needed to know. Thank you. So it could be added here. Just want to make everybody aware, you know, we put a lot of money and time into Hersville Park right now where we're doing the walkways where we're going get a new bridge. We're putting new uh playground that's already in. Um, this is just going to enhance what we're doing now. They're making the whole area look brand new coming in to what we're doing. So, it's a good time to do this project because we hope to have our project. We're going to have a new uh wreck house there. The old garage is going to be all redone and stone. So, it's going to make the whole area look really nice, including with this, I think. Uh, okay. There's no more right now questions from the board. I'll open this to the public. Is anyone from the public here to make a comment or have a question about this project? Seeing none, I'll close the public session. Um, so at this point, there's really nothing that we're adding to, you know, what's going on. We truly don't have any recommendations, per se. So, this will be um I prepared a resolution. I did prepare. You did prepare. Okay. A resolution prepared that it finds that it is not inconsistent with the master plan and acknowledging that they have

satisfied their the obligation to come and present to the board. I did uh put the wrong date of the plans that were submitted. So the resolutions that before you will correct that date, but apart from that you're if you so choose that you can um consider that resolution which again just uh recognizes that they've satisfied their obligation and it is not inconsistent. I know that's funny but that's what it's saying. Okay. Um okay. So, with that said, we have resolution um basically consenting, so to speak, uh with what's going on here that it's consistent or as you said, not inconsistent. I love that. Um and basically, that's what we're going to approve tonight. And it's all we need is a motion and a second on that. Motion. Motion, Mr. Oy. Bobby. Second. Second, Mr. Otto. Otto. Okay. Any discussion on that? All right. You have the resolution. You'll have that prepared to go prepared. I don't know if we got distributed. I sent it to you. The resolution is basically saying what you just said. Exactly. And uh aside from the date being changed and me signing it, we're good to go on that. That is correct. Okay. So with that, can we have a roll call, please? We don't have to get out. Okay. Uh Mr. Simone, yes. Mr. Otto, yes. Mr. Tro, yes. Mr. Bulby, yes. Mr. Kading, yes. M. Uh, Mayor Sarah, yes. Uh, Councilman Quinn, yes. Uh, Mr. BSMA, yes. And Mr. Foster, yes. Thank you all. Thanks, Paul, for coming out and presentation. Jared, good luck with the project. Thank you very much. Doing anything with the snapst. Thank you. Okay. Uh, that's two down. Next one is uh PB25-01

Sarah Realy LLC 714 720 Hamburg turnpike pump and lakes block 901 lot 111 zone GWD um also M welcome Mr. Mallet thank you Mr. I think we did switch them. I think it's two first. Did we switch the other one? Yes, sir. Oh, yeah. That's true. I'm sorry. You're right. You're right. Sorry. Uh, so PB2502 61 Q Avenue urban renewal. Uh, 61 Q Avenue makes block 2400 lot one zone DR82. Mr. So, floor is yours. Very good. We're just going to set up a computer real quick. While that's happening, good evening, chairman, members of the board. Good to see you all again. We are here. Yeah, you can plug your Yeah, why don't we get set up first? [Music] You guys get the award for the biggest set of plants tonight. The other one's pale by comparison. All right, that's [Music] There we go. All right. Let's start over. Good evening, members of the board. Good to see you all again. You

are likely familiar with this project. that's been before you in the capacity that you approved uh or at least reviewed amendments to the redevelopment plan uh specific to this project just a few months ago. Uh those amendments which did pass by the council render the project that's before you fully compliant, no variances and design waiver free. Uh we are excited however to present this application. Uh this has been many years in the making working with your redevelopment agency, your council and now uh with you uh at the municipal level but also at the county level where we have full final approval uh the state level where we have our D approvals um and as we'll talk about in a minute with various other properties um in which easements were required to be obtained. Um this application is for a residential development of 23 units uh which is uh the subject to a redevelopment agreement that was approved by the redevelopment agency and compliant with your affordable housing uh obligations. It is a 23 unit building with ingress and egress coming off of Wanuk and egress only onto Grove Avenue. And that design was at the recommendation of the county planning board which we were able to accommodate. Uh but being that it was their request, one of the uh issues was we don't own the property uh that connects from ours onto group that is a right of way owned by the county. So we had to negotiate uh an easement uh through the county which we have uh which we have done obviously it's not signed yet. It's pending approval by this board but it will be signed and as a condition of approval will have to be. Um, additionally, we are proposing uh parking compliant with your redevelopment plan with 26 parking spaces on site for use by our tenants as well as an additional offsite uh eight spaces to be located at the uh county property just down the road uh via license agreement that we are um going to have to negotiate with the county. We've had those discussions. In fact, they are meeting right now at the same time of years, and we are confident that

we have uh an approval to have those eight spaces uh licensed by them offsite. Um we also have a an easement that was negotiated with the neighboring property. Okay, you'll you'll be familiar perhaps uh there is the little building right next to us on Grove Street. Uh presently, that's a lot too of this block. um issues had arisen at the redevelopment agency at the county and also before the council as to the impact to that property visav parking um in con in u discussions with that owner. We've negotiated an access agreement and are going to be building two parking spaces for them which you'll see on the plan. So, the plans currently show 28 parking spaces, 26 to be used by our applicant, uh, and two to be reserved for use by the neighbor next door via an easement that we've negotiated. Uh, so tonight, the plan is to present two witnesses. Uh, Marvin Bleton, who's to my right, as the project engineer, and who has control of the the screen in front of you, and then the project architect will testify as well. Uh, so unless there are any questions about preliminary um comments that I've made, I'll ask uh Mr. I'd love to be swearing. Please raise your right hand. State your name. Spell your last. Uh Marvin R. Blean. B L E T H E N. Do you swear or affirm the testimony that you'll give this evening before this board will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So I hope you got it. I do. They proceed. All right. Could you provide the board with the benefit of your uh experience and education? Uh 45 years of a being an engineer. I've testified in front of multiple boards in multiple states. Uh in New Jersey, I've been before, uh Payic County, uh several municipalities in Essex County, uh Cumberland County, Salem County, the RDA, uh here. Uh so I've been doing uh engineering for 45 years and my

currently licensed in New Jersey is active. Expires uh uh April 2026. Thank you. Acceptable. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Okay, Mr. Bleton, can you um explain to the board what you were retained to do and the plans that you pres prepared in connection with this application? Okay. I was the uh the replacement engineer from the other engineering firm, but uh that was here doing these plans. Uh so what we've done is took their plans and rearranged them a little bit to make them complaint with what was going on. Uh we have been before the the county planning board. uh a lot of the information, several review letters and and meetings with their engineers uh because there's several things that have to be done on the county right away uh as far as where the parking areas go, the sidewalks, uh some of the landscaping, all those, the the rightway issues, the uh turning issues, access to Grove Street, access to OneQ Avenue. Uh so we we we got through the county process on all of their comments uh as far as alleviating their concerns of us being in the rightway or close to the rightway parking specifically. Uh the other thing was uh going to the RDA uh we went ahead and and submitted the same plans to them that were approved by the county. Uh RDA had some comments that we had to comply with. Uh a lot of those were kind of architectural details. you know, parking details, things like that. Uh, and then we got through that and now we're here finally uh before you uh to present the plans for the final application to be able to develop this thing. Uh we had the set of plans that was reviewed by Cyers. Uh what you have in front of you is the plans that was submitted. What is on the board is actually the changes made to

those plans within the last week. So we can show you what is going on as far as go. So if you So now that you've identified what it is in front of us, if you can say what the date of this the revision date of this uh document is and then we can mark it as an exhibit. Uh revision date on this document is the full one is June 12, 2025. And this document was prepared to make changes in connection with the June 4th letter from Collier. Correct. Okay. So, Mr. Brewer, this will be marked as A1. And are there hard copies that have been provided to Karm where the There they could be. Yeah, they're gonna have to be. Okay. So that's what sheet does that that this is sheet four which is the site plan. Sheet four. Yeah. Site plan. If you don't mind, I'd like to go through the the comments just real quick from the uh engineering firm to show what has been changed and and and what we're talking about as far as I think they have like 20ome comments. Uh some of them are architectural. I won't I won't touch on those, but but as far as the site plan goes and what what they were looking for, uh proposed front yard setback, there was a mistake in that. That was a carry from the previous engineer. Uh they actually measured from the front rightway uh down to the dumpster enclosure instead of the front of the building. They use that ancillary building as the as the setback. The setback of the building is the uh is the 65.7 chunks that's been corrected in the zoning table. uh the easements are obtained and when we have the easements from Gro Street, those are the county easements. Uh those are the surveyors taking care of those things. Uh the EV spaces um I've actually swapped the EV spaces

over here on the left hand side uh to make it compliant. Uh because there's a there's a EV ballard plugging charging station here and there's one on the other side of the parking lot as well. These are regular. Uh my original plan had a 8T here and 11 ft opposite it. But in order to have any kind of a EV van or whatever park, I swap those spaces to make it more accessible to that. uh on these EV calculations, uh it's 15% of parking uh has to be EV. Uh we have four spaces here. We have the other eight additional spaces offsite that will have some EV parking as well, but as far as the handicap goes, uh it it's 5% of the EVA spaces. So, you're only required to have one uh ADA per 20 EV spaces. So here we actually have one uh EV space within the whole within the whole system. It's only 5% of the EVAs. So we have the one that's required uh because we don't have 20 total EV spaces. So that has been corrected to show the van can park there and plug into it. That that should satisfy that requirement. And there are two other EV spaces going to be installed in the eight offsite space. In the offsite park, there's two more EV. They're all level two uh uh chargers. uh the front elevations on the details of dumpsters that has been provided. Uh and one of the things that the questions that was asked was about the the actual what that EV dumpster looks like. I mean the uh the dumpster looks like

down here. Is this again? Is this a revised plan? This is on the revised plan. Yes. So what sheet is this? A2. Uh this is sheet uh 12 and revision date uh 615. 615. 615. Yes, that's going to be 82. And the question was uh what are the what are the elevations uh for the uh side top of the walls? Uh this is a standard dumpster enclosure. uh six foot high walls around the area. The bottom of the wall is 206 and the top of the wall around it will be 212. And one of the things that was provided was what does this dumpster look like? Uh so I've added a typical, you know, dumpster that that is supposed to be built. Uh it can be built similar to this, but at least this shows what the dumpster look like with the gates in front of double gates, two dumpsters in there. The side parts of these walls will be matching what the architecture of the building will be. So it blends in. So it's just not that sand's out there. So it'll be a nice blended a blended look to it. And these are prefab things. You can get these things made. But this is for a double dumpster a size that is 20 by 10 to hold the two standard dumpers that we have uh planned for. So that was one of the questions that was asked on that. [Music] Uh the signage that that's something else at a later date. Uh [Music] some minor details, a lot boundary, the zoning map, the town map should match the boundary provided. Those were changed. Uh even though the tax map is wrong, by the way, you know, I went ahead and overlaid those on the title sheet uh to make sure that the actual survey matches the actual uh

property line. [Music] As you can see in here, tax map doesn't help me actually match it, but I went ahead and put the correct uh correct survey in there. Just a minor detail. If that's a change, then you're talking about it. Let's make that A3. Yeah. Is that a change from what is the current plans? That is a change. Yes. Okay. That's A3. What What sheet is it? Sheet one. Sheet one. Yep. Sheet one. 615. Thank you. Now, the limit of disturbance on these plans, uh, the limit of disturbance did not include the original sidewalk on WQ Avenue. Uh, so we've increased that. It was 18,400 ft of disturbed area. That is increased to 21,000 21,300 foot. So, I went ahead and redid the limit of disturbance which is on sheet uh two, sheet two. A4 would be revised. Sheet two revised through 615. Yes. Yeah. Could we might want to adjust the entire set sheet been changed? No, just so it's your preference, Mr. Brewer. You want to I'd like to see the whole set complete instead of trying to pick out sheets. So, as you know, normally what we would do is we'd come in here and say we'll do this resolution compliance. We're happy to satisfy. We wanted to see because we had some time to show what we're going to say, but ultimately it will be a matter of your engineer signing off on what is in her letter, which we're in agreement. There may be additional changes, but let's just I I agree sheets all of them have been presented as so we're going to make this A4 is the remainder all other of your pack. Just how many of them are there and what are the what's the revised through date? I guess it's all any any that's been

revised. The latest is 615. 615. Correct. Y two through where? Um two through what? It's going to be sheets one through how many? Uh 18. 18. 1 through 18. 6 25. 65 25. Yeah. Okay. That' be that's going to be exhibit four. the rest. That'll make it easy. I think some parking changes, couple things. Yeah, you can talk about them without having to go. Okay, cool. So, anyway, the uh the uh it's in a 80 zone on the flood plane. Uh so, we've already we have a copy of the DE permit. We've had that since like 2022. Uh and there's been a dimminimous change. I already talked to D about this. I have to do a do an amendment to that. uh it deals with like 50 square foot of either a change from impervious to pvious or pvious to impervious. So it's not everything is within the same boundary, the same footprint, the same everything as far as the D flood plane goes, but you're they're kind of tricky on the pvious impervious thing. So that's a dimminimous thing and the guy at the D said just send me an amendment plan and and we're good. So So that'll be done as soon as we get approval here. Yeah, that'll be subject to anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Uh as far as the storm water goes, it's not a major development. It's less than an acre. Uh so we don't have to comply with the major storm water regulations. Uh the storm water on site. Uh there's there's two inlets in the parking lot and that's part of the one of the comments down here. Uh those are going to be raised since we're raising the parking lot a bit. So they will be reused and raised uh which still capture all the water within the parking lot. The water from Grove Street drains through our parking lot and it actually currently comes into the parking lot and

goes out to WQ River. What the plan will show will be uh two new manholes that dog leg out around the existing pipe. We're going to use some of the existing pipe uh put two manholes in around like dog leg around where the building is and then put it back into the head wall. But right now there's an easement for the storm water for Grove Street to go into our parking lot. So that that will not change the easement is still alive and active, but we're using the existing drainage system. We're just modifying it slightly to keep our runoff. The the building roof will drain into one of the new uh manholes that we're putting in. So that will capture all the rain and everything else is still the parking lot and impervious. The plans are in there as far as how much is purbous, how much is impervious before and after. We have those drainage calculations. Uh shoot 17 and 18. And you confident that the existing pipe that you're going to use is in good condition? Yes. I'd hate to see, you know, something compromise your surface products. No, we've had it uh because one of the things that the county wanted to know was was the water still flowing through there. So, we had, you know, somebody go out and pipe the thing to make sure it's clear and runs out and it still runs out. Okay. So, all we're doing is just, you know, taking part of it out where the building is and just dog baiting around it just tighten back into it. Same size, same uh type of pipe that existing there to drain that. And the only thing we're putting into it is the building structure itself, the roof drains, and it'll go to a clean out and go down. How will you treat the existing pipe to remain? The pipe that you're bypassing, how will you treat that? You're leaving it in the ground or you're taking it out? Uh, that will be van in place and it'll be filled with concrete. Concrete, correct? Thank you. Yep. [Music]

As a matter of fact, this is the layout right here identify which sheet you're looking at. Please, sheet six. And there's no there's no changes on sheet six, but right now the existing uh these these two inlets right now will be raised. Uh we're abandoning what's in place underneath the building right here and we're putting in 55 ft of RCP uh 28T of RCP over here to tie into the existing line and then let it draw on out. So that that will that will handle that. And that's an existing head wall at the U river. Yes, existing headwall at the river which is actually still on our property. The head wall is for the river for the public. I think RCP is reinforced concrete pipe. reinforced concrete pipe, right? Which is what is existing in there right now up under the parking lot that drains Gro Street. Now, since since we're not we're under the the the major storm water, we're not doing that because we're under an acre. Uh normally, and I've done this in the past, is you have a and there's a comment in in the letters, you have to do a storm water management operator's manual to make sure everything is clean. that usually deals with something that is on site whether it's a detention basin or underground retention or whatever it be to make sure those things are cleaned out here it's a it's a pass through pipe uh but what I will do on that on that account will be you know since the easement stops at the one inlet in our parking lot we'll just make sure that part of the process of this is to inspect that inlet and the roof drains to make sure that they are clean you every 6 months or once a year, whatever it would be, make sure those are clean.

So, it won't be full-blown storm water operators manual to where you got to go send somebody down in clean out basins and and you know, underground you things like that, storm filters and all these things. Uh, since we're just putting it straight into it, uh, it's an existing pipe, we'll just make sure they're clean. That'll be pretty simple on that one. [Music] No loading areas proposed. Uh the the one comment that we have uh is on number 15 specifically uh recommended six foot sidewalk to be used along the front of the building in case there's a car that goes over two foot uh since there's 4ft proposed sidewalks. Uh and we went through this with the county because the county wanted us to move our parking lot back away from their WQ Avenue right away. Uh we are we are up against the D permitted area on the back side of the building. So we can't move the building back. Uh so what we have is the 20ft stalls with a 24 ft minimum driveway width and then 20ft stalls and then a 4ft sidewalk. If we go 6 foot then we don't meet the minimum 24. It'd be a variance to go 22. So, the easiest thing to do is what we did with the county uh up in the one corner to where we were close to the rightway was put wheel stops back away from the sidewalk to keep the cars from, you know, headbutting over top of the uh you know, the sidewall 2T. So, that seems to it appease the county cuz they were trying to do the same thing. and they want to move our parking lot back and we can't to meet the minimum 24 width of 20ft parking. So the solution would be to put wheel stops and we proposed you know as part of the plan we put wheel stops on all the parking spaces along the front of the uh building in front of the sidewalk

and the propo the proposed depressed curbs and aprons and sidewalks and all those things. Those are all in the county and the county's already said that, you know, our plans meet with their, you know, the state county's uh plans for for uh for curbs and depressed curbs and sidewalks. That's according to their specifications. Uh the overhead plan, the overhead existing poles, I mean, that's okay. All that stuff will be removed. Uh the gas station, I don't think there's anything left at the gas station. I think that's all been dug out and gone, I think. uh site illumination. Uh the only thing that is on the plans is what the building uh facade and the uh the lighting on the front of the building is projecting in the parking lot. Uh it meets the parking lot requirements halfway because it's one foot candle within the parking lot area. Uh what we did uh is actually have an electrician go out and had a meter uh couple nights ago uh came out and actually did a foot candle reading 9:30 at night or something uh and then did on that side of the parking lot that's on the Wanq Avenue uh and it exceeded one foot candle. So based upon the one foot candle, you know, covering half the parking lot and that foot candle covering the other part, then that met the requirements for the whole parking lot with the street two street lights out front on WQ Avenue and our facade uh lighting on the front. So it it meets the one candle within the parking lot area. I mean, and this testimony is to provide the board as much knowledge as possible, but obviously it would still be a condition of approval that we prove this out to the engineer during resolution compliance, right? But we want to make sure I mean that my recommendation to go and just have somebody up there just do a foot can understand. So go ahead. Anyway, so that's all taken care of. Uh existing storm water in I've already explained those. Uh storm water operation

maintenance manual. I've already explained that and that pretty well covers all the comments that the uh planning board engineer had. Okay. What I'll do is ask our engineer to just give her give her your thoughts on what the applicant is proposing and see what we have any issues left. The changes appear to be very minor and they appear to be conforming or I should say addressing most of our comments. Um the one thing I did not see was the permit and if you sent it to us I apologize but I just want to make sure that um the permit is [Music] because it's not a major development. I assume that D did not review the storm water portion of it or did they did they comment on the storm water design at all? Uh they did not comment on storm water design at all. Okay. Because we haven't had that part done yet. Uh but they looked at where the drainage was coming from and part of their permit was you know really what's what is the impervious impervious existing impervious impervious coming in but is it a flood plane is a flood hazard permit uh and that was really the only thing that were like key was the impervious purpose before and after. Are you increasing the motor vehicle surface? No. No, we're actually decreasing decreasing that as well. Yeah. because I actually thought it's almost all paved in there right now and we're actually taking some of that paving out and there's a landscape around the edges of it. And is there any um deadline? The permits are usually good I believe for 5 years. It's 5 years. Yeah. So we're up by 2027. I talked to the administrator about this particular one and told him what we had done and he had said to submit a uh a dimminimous revised thing to show the new the new set of plans. So, whatever plans we have approved here, I got to send it to them and uh Can you copy us on the correspondence for that? Yeah.

Okay. I'll copy out the emails. We'll get it. Yep. And the comment on the 6ft sidewalk. U Mr. Chairman, too. In design, we typically will do the 4ft sidewalk, but we will put little stops in because of the overhang. So the question was not really for you to analyze whether you need to move a building back and give us the six foot, but your answer to the wheel stops was very appropriate. Yeah. Um some people don't like the wheel stops because it encumbers snow plows and things like that. So maintenance of them too. The maintenance. Exactly. That's why that that was kind of brought up. But yeah. Yeah. Okay. Are you good with that? Okay. Mr. Mike, I I'm not sure I agree with the proposal to use outside lighting as part of your lighting plan. Um, you're relying on an outside fixture furnished by the burrow or the county, whoever's paying for that light, and if it goes out, who knows how long it takes to get be lit, but it affects your site. So, I'd like to just hit on that a little bit because you're not you're basically taking credit for for outside lighting that you have no control over. If anybody took that light out, you'd be minus something in your parking lot. So, how would you like to address that? I understand the concern. I can let Mr. Blein answer that from an engineering point of view and then we can have a discussion. From an engineering point of view, I look at it this way. Okay, you have existing lighting out there, right? whether it's on or off. I mean, our our sconces could be on or off, too. Same thing. Uh, but we're responsible for that. Uh, I look at it and say, okay, sufficient light as is where it is. Uh, once you start putting like like more lighting up, then I look at it and say, you know, then you have light pollution, for lack of a better word. It's just you have more lights than necessary for what the the purpose is. Uh, trust me, I live

across from a school and the school all of a sudden decided there's street lights out in front of my the school decided they wanted to put flood lights on my side of the, you know, the building and I have to pull the shades at night because it's just like boom just flares in there. So, I understand that. But to me, they have plenty of light over there. Here we have plenty of light. I worry about the light pollution if that's okay. If it's not, then we can propose to put a couple poles out there. Yeah. I'm not sure what it would take to You're only doing you're only putting one foot candle out. So, uh it's not like, you know, if you doubled it, two foot candles is not very bright, but I'm just saying I'm not sure if there's any legal requirement for them that, but can you use can you use good lighting? Let's say, let me show you this slide real quick. Uh this is what our uh electrician went out and did along the street. She looked at 2.9 amp 361. Before you get into the details, let's describe the document so we can mark it. Uh this is a phototric survey done by Tony Quail. Quail electric New Jersey licensed electrician for uh Mr. Souan Thursday June 12th 2025. Is that one of the sheets or is that something new here? This is a new exhibit. Yeah. Oh, we don't have exhibit. No, a new Okay. Well, should represent bees. A5. Watch the wire. Just watch the wires. And what this will show is the foot candle readings out there on that night at 9:30 p.m. that shows what the existing street lights are putting within our parking lot area at this point.

So the lighting plan that was provided in the original set, those photometrics are based on the wall packs that you're proposing for the building. That's correct. If you were to combine these numbers with what's existing, yes, you would have another set of numbers. Correct. Will that be presented to us or submitted? Well, we think it would need to be actually. You're going to have it combined, right? But if I have to have the electrician give me what those lights are and the heights and all those things so I can actually model it. I mean, you know how to do that, but I have to have exactly what the they are, heights, locations of them, and then put that in the photoment model. But to I think you're you're you're what you're getting at um is I think there is a way for Mr. through in order to articulate a condition of approval based on engineering review of what your board engineers just requested of us to do in the resolution. I'm okay with that. I'm just concerned that we know exactly what's going on and this is telling me a different picture than what we were just told. I mean, he didn't mention this before. All he did was say, you know, there's enough light based on He didn't testify about the electrician going out and and doing these readings. Yeah. Well, we didn't put, but he said there was more than one foot candle everywhere here. I'm working at 314383 with this 34. This is Yeah. Yeah. With this Can you you can clarify for the Yeah. I Let's Let's start the simple way. We can just put a condition on it. This has to meet the requirements of the engineer. So, if you deal with her and she deals with you and you guys come up to a a correct conclusion that it's not overdone, it's not underdone, then I'm fine with that. We leave it at that for now or uh Okay. Yeah. And I can model that and provision. Yep. I have a few questions. Sure. Um can you clarify your signage is down the

road and when and if there's signage you'll submit that for review at that time. That's correct. Yeah. Okay. Um will somebody be presenting on the the architecture of the facade tonight? Yes. Okay. Um, and can you could you repeat for clarification the um the parking, what's EV, what's um ADA and where those spaces are located. Yeah. Uh what we have is based upon the number of buildings uh number of units uh is the Okay. The one bedroom, there's 18 of those. The two bedrooms, there's two. So, we have to have a total of 28 required parking spaces. Uh-huh. Uh, so we have 28. Two of those are dedicated to lot two with an agreement because we're taking up some of their area where they need to park. We're dedicating two of those spaces which leaves 26. Uhhuh. Uh offsite we have eight additional spaces in addition to the 26. In addition to 26. Uh-huh. So the EV calculation comes up to five. Uh if you look at 15% of the 28 that's on site uh or 15 or 15 of the 26, you still come to the same number. You're still coming up at five. You're always rounding up. Are you suggesting that you don't need to provide EV for the eight? No. So the eight the eight are part of the county's project. It's a much larger parking lot. The those eight spaces are part of the project. We're doing a license for a period of time. So they're going to have to install EV spaces based on those eight. Okay. So you have on site 28 spaces, five of which are EVA. Four EVA. Four of which

are EVA. Yeah. Four EVA on site. And how many ADA spaces? Uh, two on the EV one. How long? So, three. You have two one EV ADA and two regular ADA. Three regular. Three regular EV. One ADA. EV. How many How many regular ADA spaces do you have? Not EV. Uh, two on site. Okay. One of those, but one of those is ED, but that one doesn't count towards ADA, correct? So, you have one regular ADA space, right? Of the 26 on onsite parking spaces. The 26 for our building, we have two more that are dedicated by 26 for our parking and then and then eight also. Okay. I'm just trying to make this as clear as possible. On site, you have 26 parking spaces, correct? Four of them are EV spaces. Correct. One of them is a regular ADA space. Correct. Okay. And that meets the ADA requirement. Yes. Okay. Because you need 5% of the existing EV uh which means you need one ADA per 20 Essential. But the EV ADA space is separate from the ADA space. Yes, there's ADA space and then there's EVA, right? But the regular ADA space, you can't use the EVADA to count towards your ADA, which is why Okay, thank you. Mr. Min, you made a comment just now about you have this easement with Pay County for a time define for a time. Oh, I it's it's I think it's going to it's not negotiated. is not signed because we haven't gotten this approval, but the negotiations that have been happening

are 99 years or 100 years. Okay. I mean, I would expect that it would not be something that would expire in the reasonable life of the building. No, not at all. And I'd be very comfortable if you wanted to put a minimum duration in as a condition of approval because that's our plan. Okay. I I'd have to just make a note of that somewhere whether you want to do a condition or not. That it's got to be for requirement. I got a star which means that's a condition. I say it's got to be 99 years or more. that that would be 99 years is viewed as property ownership in I won't be checking it by the way the chairman yes sir follow up on that so the eight that are being requested from the county are they going to be designated so they're going to be designated specific spots okay but they're going to be reserved time so it's going to be operating on like a shared parking analysis if this board has ever reviewed something like that uh where their their users are users during the Our users are users typically at night, weekends, uh, non-b businessiness days. So, they're operating in a shared model that they're exclusively reserved for our tenants only from the hours of I think it's 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 a.m. during the week and 24 hours on non-b businessiness days. Okay. Because the last time I remember the county plan, the EV parking was going to be off of Ringwood A in the front. Where they put their EV is is is obviously up to them. But what the deal that we are negotiating with them is obviously to put two spaces, two EV spaces in those eight. Uh in addition, we've negotiated with them as part of the financial structure that we may compens contribute towards the their EV costs on their site. Got it. But if they're all the EVs are together on the county, it will be by the Ringwood add entrance if that's what they're planning. I Yeah. Right. So roughly how do far do you think that would be from your site? the the spaces that we're proposing are the closest in the parking lot to our particular site

just down the road. I as far as distance I don't No, but those those spaces won't be even two of them will be two. Okay. Cuz Mr. Ke was just saying that the EV at the county level is going to be by Rain would have and you just said yes if that's where they decide to put it. So their their parking lot is much larger than our eight. Mhm. So they have uh an obligation to install much more than two two uh chargers. Our deal with them is specific to what is going to happen in these eight spaces. Two of which are going to be EVs for us and of course their users can use them during the day as well. Okay. where they put the balance of their chargers is irrespective of our 188 pieces. Okay. Okay. Anything else for Mr. Blacking? Yes. Um in regards to before you guys start talking about the survey and your property, but then the neighbors property. I got confused when you said about some of that is county in front of their property, but it's not on that. So this is I can give a little history here. This was rather confusing for a long time here. There is a piece of property um Arvin could probably point to it right in front of that building which is neither on our lot or their lot and it's not deed to the county. It is part of the county right of way. In speaking with the county engineer as part of the planning board process, his suspicion of what happened is years ago this road extended to that area and was modified when they installed the bridge in this whole area and it just probably wasn't papered the way it should. So out of an abundance of question, we are taking an easement for whatever interest the county has in that property which is right in front of that building. So if if you look at the property you're drive past it now where that building right there on lot two is parking is actually

in the county right away that the county has allowed. Got it. All right. So then the two dedicated parking spots that you're offering to them is where on the Okay. So the one right there is right there that is partially on the county property and partially on our property. So, we're both both county and and and our property are giving easements to that lot to to use that. And the second space is right here right in front of the building which is in the county space and again part of our access agreement with the county. Can I add some information just what John's asking? I called for a meeting with the county when the uh owners of the property reached out to me and I said, "Is there something we can do working out with the county, with the developer, with the town to make them, even though they don't have any dedicated parking that came with that building?" They've been there a long time. They've been residents of the town a long time. So, is there any way we could work out an arrangement with all the groups? We all sat down and discussed it. And I got to say, all the groups, including the county, were helpful in making that happen. This was no requirement of anybody to make that happen. This was added on as an extra after the fact to get them the two spots, which by the way, the owners of that property had asked. That's what the number they asked. So that's what we have. And and thank you, Mayor Sarah, for setting that up. And and to the mayor's point, I'm sure you can appreciate the fact that they didn't have parting. Parking shouldn't be really a factor of our application. I'm sure a lot of you know our our applicant, he wanted to do whatever he could to to to satisfy them. And that's what the result was, which was a very good result for everybody. Okay. And again, those that commercials, there's two stores there. They were satisfied with the Yes. the owners of the property, the tenants, those tenants, right? Okay. Cuz again, just the the common uh business that's

there. there's drive up to pick up, you know, service and then you're going to have somebody getting a haircut. You have one next person at a time. Okay. Anyone else on the board have any questions? Yes. Uh separate topic. Uh you mentioned about a gas station permits and so forth. Anything in regards to soiling the soil itself, soil testing since it was mentioned it was a gas station. I if you I don't think we have any environmental concerns or I haven't seen any phase one requirement testing. Well, there's for phase one environmental. It's not a zoning. It's not a checklist item to provide environmental phase one prior gas station. It'll obviously have to be closed out in accordance with D standards. So those are still on the ground. I can't answer that. The resolution always has is always subject to all state, local, county regulations and laws. So that's a catch all. If there is a requirement to satisfy the D, do anything and they're not in compliance, they would then not be in compliance with the site. And as you all know from living here, those IT station has been abandoned for many, many, many years. [Music] Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. But also, typically the details of what the DP requirement gas station is not typically part of the site plan um approval process. If they knew it, they could talked about it, but they have to be in compliance or they'll not be in compliance with if you choose to approve this. Okay. Thanks. Okay. There no other questions for the engineer. You can bring up the architecture and then we'll have a public session at the end. Shut down properly. Any certain regulations in order to shut it down? I'm sure they have anything else. [Music] How long? So, Carmel, we're going to use

this computer. Uh, do you have to log in? that long. [Music] 30 years just [Music] [Music] [Music] Sometimes you wish [Music] [Music] There you go. Thank you. You're welcome. All right. Seat to my right is the project architect, Jeff Broading. I'll ask him to be sworn in. Raise your right hand. State your name. Spell your last. Frank Jeffroy. R A W D I N G. Do you swear or please keep your hand up? You swear our friend. The testimony you'll give this evening before this board will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help you God. I swing. Can you give the board the benefit of your education and experience, please? Uh certainly. Uh

I'm a uh graduate of Ohio State University, uh 1979. I've been a licensed architect since 1984. Uh I'm licensed in this in nine other states. Uh uh I own a firm in Morristown called FJ Roing AIA. Uh I've testified before numerous boards throughout the state as an expert architect. I don't believe I've been in front of this board though, but uh I have been qualified as such and my license is acceptable. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Roing, can you explain um what you did in connection to this application and the architectural plans that are and renderings that were submitted? Certainly. uh we've been uh engaged on this project for a number of years. Uh and uh we we were asked to design uh different concepts. Uh ultimately the one before you is uh a four-story building proposed with 23 units. Uh we have uh we have uh uh set this units back behind the parking space uh parking lot drive. And if you like, I'll go through the design of the building itself. And everything that's on the screen is part of the application package. Yes. Um I I I'm 100% positive that it was filed. Uh this is a this is a going back to this is A1. This is the front elevation of the building. It's a rendered front elevation of the building. Uh as I said, the building is four stories. Uh it's uh composed of a brick and composite material on the u on the bays. Uh you'll see two distinct uh raised bay windows left and right and a center tower. Um there's a entry in the in the center of the front elevation along with a candle lever um canopy over the top of the entrance. Uh and it fronts on uh Wanuk. So uh Wanq would then for for your purposes Wanuk is on the lower left hand side of this room. uh that the the white cube represents

the existing building that you were just discussing relative to the two parking spaces. Um as as we move around the building, this is another perspective is if you're looking uh you know past the dumpster enclosure uh to the to the side of the uh side of the building, you'll see uh again the fourstory aspect of it. Uh the brick here carries slightly around the returns on the side. You'll see that in a minute. And then we go to a uh 100 plank siding on the uh on the rear end side of the building. The uh this is on the back left corner of the site. Looking back, uh there's a uh this is the drop off you'll see down to the river on the right hand side. Uh this is the rear left right corner of the building. Uh you'll see bay projections on this uh side of the building as well. Um, so we've carried that bay component around the edge of the building. This again is like looking for the rear of the building. You'll see one, two, three, four bay components on the back side of the building. And again, the four stories uh the bays are made out of a composite material um a uh like a a type material and the u symmetric siding is in between. Um, and then we have a cornis up at the top of the building that's composed as also synthetic uh or composite I should say. Uh, the the peak most roof up at the top is going to be asphalt shingles. Uh, this rendering is just a little streetscape rendering showing some of the landscaping uh along the front of the building and some landscaping in front of the uh in front of the parking as well. Uh this is a little more photo realistic with the telephone poles and the uh and the street lights as superimposed. So that's uh that's more of a photo uh type uh aspect uh rendering. Uh as I said the building is four floors. Uh they have uh five units on

the first floor. There's a total of 23 units, five of which are twobedroom. Uh they range in size from uh 977 ft² to 996 ft². Uh 15 of them are onebedroom. They range from 645 ft to 692 ft. And then we have three studios. The three studios are on the upper levels. Um I'll show you that in a second. This is the first floor. Uh with the entry being at the top of the top of the building. Uh you come in through a vestibule. Uh there's an elevator uh to your right as you come in and then the staircase up as well. Uh and you're in a you're in a lobby area where we'll provide uh you know mail drop off and the like uh for the tenants. Uh the the uh two blue uh colored uh apartments are the two-bedroom apartments uh fronting on the front of the building on the first floor. Uh and the uh beige buildings on the back are the uh one-bedroom apartments for a total of five on this space. Uh you'll see the the lighter uh pickish corridor uh takes you from one stair to the other. There's a secondary exit on the left hand side of the on the plan left uh side of the building uh that gives you the uh required second means of eress. Uh there's some mechanical space uh shown here in green as well. And this is the first floor and there's five units on this floor. Now, if you move up to the second floor, uh you come off the elevator, the staircase again, there's a lobby here. And then there's uh the blue again is the two-bedroom unit, the beige or the onebedroom units, the three beige units on the back side and one on the front. And the bluish purple uh unit is the studio. Um and each one of these and and again the two staircases each one of these uh two through floor uh two

through four are the same floor plan. Uh essentially they have studios on each on each floor and then just a composite of the roof here showing we're concealing the uh mechanical equipment uh from view behind the tower here. Uh again, we can go through the materials, but essentially uh it's it's two uh baylike units on the front of the building and then the unit windows on the on the first floor beneath it and then the canopy in the in the front entrance here. There's a little bit of an arch detail in the center. Uh three distinct uh elements of the building. Um the the entry tower is slightly set back uh from the front facade, excuse me. And again, this will just carry around the building in plan form as opposed to rendering form, but it's virtually the same as what you saw before. So, you can see it here on the back side of the building as well. And uh the bu the overall building height uh is uh 48 ft to the corners. Uh and then uh we have uh the little appendage over the tower that gets a little higher. Um, that is pretty much my direct testimony and I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have. This this design was the product of multiple meetings with the redevelopment agency and and comments that were received and accepted and modified until it was approved to the redevelopment group. Is that correct? A number of times. Yes. Yes. Number. No further questions from you. Thank you. Um just again the members to the board that this was pre-approved in its appearance and setbacks and all parking with u with the redevelopment agency. So we really don't have um any per say discussion on the insides of the buildings or the number of units. Um we

can we have site issues that we can discuss but that's primarily the main scope here. So does anyone have any questions for the architect? Mr. Chairman, John. Um, all right. So, sprinkler or stamp pipe system? Sprinkler. Sprinkler. Stamp pipe. Stand pipe as well. No, I'm sorry. We don't need a stamp pipe. Um, I think we're required to have it once for over five stories. Okay. So, fourth floor compartment, fire department access. No stand pipe in the stairwell. We I'm sorry. We we we have the ability to put stand pipes in the stairwell. Um I thought you could do access in the elevator though too, right? Yeah. I'm talking fire suppression. So hope Yeah. Uh yeah, we can we can provide standpoint. I think that'll be and then where would the FDC be? That's too we can easily put that on the left on the right side of the building. Um, next to mechanical mechanical rooms here, sprinkler room. Okay. So, something could happen, you know, right on anywhere on that side of the building would be what what's going to be provided? Stand pipe and a and a uh fire departments. Yeah. All right. Um the stair tower too could accommodate because I know on that side where you just highlighted where the exit is, it's only about 7 ft from I think the uh property line, right? Uh it is. Uh but it's got a full width sidewalk running down there. Full width. Okay. Cuz that's going to be your exit discharge as well, right? So you're going to be exiting and then Yes. This is why so they'd exit right here and they'd go to the front of the property here. Okay. So, because

obviously preferred FDC would be on the front side of the building if possible. Uh that that could be done too. Uh so it would have to be to the left of the entrance, the right of the entrance as you're looking at it from the front though. Uh but that could be done. Would you that would be ideal? Yeah. Yeah. Would be that could be spot. Um, would the applicant have a problem with the NOX box also? No. Okay. Um, vehicle entrance. Now, I know right now there's two access points existing. So, the proposed with the one driveway coming in, so for the engine to come in, what would be the preferred way for the fire truck to enter? Because I noticed there's an island. So, I I would think that the the entrance on the what would be closest to uh downtown would be a little bit more accessible uh than than the one down on the other end, but from a planning standpoint, I think it's easier access past the dumpster there. Okay. And the fire department did raise no issue with the design. Okay. Except for item number one. So attach was the turning radius of the apparatus and I didn't get a response. Was there one of the fire department? I'm sorry. No. So my my response is we're accepting it the we'll provided everything we need to to satisfy the fire department and the resolution. Okay. Good. All right. Cuz I think that island there might be if it needs to be you know a mountable island we can talk about doing that. Okay. Now again my concern was the 7 ft that is in between the building. So is there any reason why that building just can't be shifted to give a proper like say 10 ft from the property line rather than just 7 ft? We can bring up Mr. Blein back again. I'm not sure if that's related to

the D envelope as well, but we can have that answer. Yeah, I have to defer that. Okay. Do you have any uh plans for a generator in the building? Not that I'm aware of. No. Mhm. Okay, that's all I Thank you. Anybody else have any questions? Just a a very quick qualification. Uh what what exactly is um with I know that this went through the redevelopment agency and all of that. I'm just wondering what would be uh forgive my inexperience within the scope for this project for us to discuss. Well, the redevelopment agency is the one that's responsible to get the project approved. And because this is in a redevelopment zone, their their approval basically fixes the site to what was approved there, which limits, and this is by regulation, which limits the planning board to instead of talking about whether they like the building that goes like this or like this, we're fixed to things that affect the site issues. So, if there was an entry problem, if there was a site problem, if there was uh somebody said, "I don't like the landscaping," you can play with that. Parking certainly, we we went over that at length, but um the site development is really done here, but the rest of it's done at the redevelopment agency. So, that's why we really we don't get a chance to say, "Oh, well, I don't like, you know, five units in a floor. I only want four." understood that's that's not in our control. Yeah. You can you can ask about anything on the plans that are being presented. The board's ability to deny this is limited as the chair said, but it is your is your perview to ask anything you want to understand so you have a full understanding of what's being presented. But that's that's really that's where it's kind of limited after they have as

he explained a conforming application. can do this as of right, but you get you every all board members have the right to ask so you have a full understanding of what you're voting for. I hope that answers you. Yeah, that that answers my question. I I will say it's very well put together project plans. I read them through thoroughly. Uh I I enjoy the aesthetic of the um of the building and the way that fits into the town. However, that again may not be our decision-making authority and I don't Well, we get to we get to approve it. Yes. Or not depending on the presentation and you're free to make a comment at that time. Uh what you do or don't like. U but as the mayor and as the attorney and I said we're limited. All right. At this point in time, I'm going to open this up. I'm sorry. Mayor, um I always ask on all the projects we always forget. Is it going there going to be a pet area even though it's small enough to take out? Is this a pet building? respond. Uh I don't think that's been determined yet. Um but I do know that we have a little bit of a fenced in area uh to the rear of the property that uh could accommodate. Somewhere where you take a fence out, right? Didn't weren't you offering your property for that? Okay. At this point, I'm going to open up the meeting to uh the public. If there are any questions for this gentleman or the previous gentleman on this project, please let me know. Seeing none, I will close the public session. Uh, board members have any other comments before we go to uh a motion. Seeing none, I'll wait for the other side to finish. You only get a chance on one side, John. I want here. Yes, sir. All right. So, I guess before we vote, um, one of the things I am uncomfortable about is the parking spots, the eight parking spots because I know that the EV is going to be a pretty far distance. So, I'm not sure what the county is going to be offering, you know. Um, I probably would

have liked the traditional Wik setting where there was a commercial on the first floor and residential up top. I think also I was not I guess when we made the recommendation back to the mayor and council we did say and we had a recommendation no one room suites and again there is one room suit. So again I think in my opinion I think there could have been a better building suited for that spot and I'm kind of not agreeing with what's being proposed. So just wanted to share my opinion. Okay. Any other comments? The engineering planner have anything? Okay. I'll look for a motion. Anyone want to make a motion? I'll make a motion. Okay. You make a motion to approve the project. Is he voting tonight? Uh is Yeah. Is he voting tonight as a No, we have enough. So, all right. Did I Sorry. Okay. Do I have a motion from one of the board members? Maybe I'll make the motion. Okay. Um, you can make a motion. Motion to accept. Let me He's okay for that, right? He's not okay. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz we're missing one anyway. So, okay. One. If he tried. I was going. He's okay for making the motion. Yeah, we alternate one more. Yes. Okay. Sure. Motion to accept. Okay. To approve this project as presented. Yes. And then we'll subject to the conditions any conditions that has been brought up during the um presentation and that the attorney has recorded. Yes, please. Okay. And a second to that motion. I'll second. Okay. Seconded by Mr. Otto. Okay. We have a motion in a second. Roll

call, please. Mr. Simone. Yes. Mr. Otto. Yes. Mr. Trost. Yes. Um Mr. Bulby. Yes. Mr. Kitty, no. Uh, Mayor Sarah, yes. Councilman Quinn, yes. Uh, Mr. Bzma, yes. And we're good to go on. Thank you for the demonstration, gentlemen. I think we're all very excited to You have promised this would be 15 minutes, correct? Yes. You should know better by now. We don't do anything in 15 minutes. Although I have to say that was the fastest presentation of fair share and housing plan I've seen thus far. We were feeling good about the Yes, we were. And it was presented well and it was, you know, in preparation. They had previous discussions on it. So yeah, but this one's been through a lot of issues as well. So move on. Hopefully everything was okay. We're looking forward to Andy will be in touch. Good good evening. That's what we're just looking for. I'll get over that. Everything will be ordered to me. Um after [Music] you want to do the old destroy them. I just wanted to get you to put on. Okay. [Music] [Music] Okay, the next application is PB25-01 Sarah Realy LLC 714 to 720 Hamburg turnpike Pton Lakes block 901

lot 11 zone GWD which is Gateway District and welcome and who are we going to be talking tonight. That would be me. Okay. Uh so good evening members of the planning board. My name is Justine Noveo and I am an attorney with Greenbound Row Smith and Davis. Uh tonight I'm representing Sabra Realy with regards to an application for preliminary and final site plan approval with bulk variances for construction of a three-story mixeduse building located at 714 to 720 Hamburg Turnpike in Pmpton Lakes. It's also known as block 9001, lot 11 on the burough's cap stamps. The property is currently improved with a singlestory commercial building and the applicant is seeking to construct an additional two stories that will contain 10 residential units. The project will also contain approximately 5,612 ft of commercial retail space and 45 physical parking spaces. Tonight you will hear first from the engineer Adnan Khan regarding the engineering plans he prepared. You will then hear from the architect Yogesh Mystery regarding the architectural plans he prepared. And finally you will hear from the applicant planner Paul Richie regarding the justification for the variances for Could you spell your last name? I didn't catch it. Sure. Uh it's D E L V E C H IO. B E C B is in Victor. E h it's a tough one. Okay, thanks. Okay, I will move to my first witness. Uh can you please describe your call for Thank you. Let me swear first. Go ahead. Please uh I'm glad you got your hand up. State your name, spell your last kh a n. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you'll give this evening before this board will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help me God. I do. Can you please elaborate on your licenses and qualifications as a professional engineer? Sure. Uh I have a bachelor's degree in civil engineering,

master's degree in construction management from NGIT. Uh I have appeared in front of federal court, superior court, hundreds of boards throughout New Jersey as an expert witness. I'm a professional l professional engineer in multiple states including New Jersey. My licenses are current and I've been doing it for close to 35 years. That's acceptable. Thank you. Okay. Uh, so you were retained to draft the engineering plan for this project, correct? That's correct. Okay. Can you please describe the existing site conditions and the plans that you were retained for him? Sure. Uh, uh, first of all, these plans are the exact same plans that were submitted to the board and uh, believed date on these plans are April 21st, 2025. Uh uh the site is a retail site. Currently it's a retail establishment one-story building. It's located on Hamburg turnpike and uh the nearest cross street or at the intersection of Hamburg turnpike and Tuanic Avenue. Uh currently there are four retail stores uh that occupies the existing building. actually I'm looking at sheet C I showed two which shows the existing conditions so the existing onetory building with four retail stores there's a parking in front of the uh retail store facing right on Hamilton pipe approximately nine parking spaces are present in the front and we have about 13 spaces marked spaces along the northern property line uh of the lot Again, the lot is an L-shaped lot uh as you can see on your screens or on the screen. Uh so, Piconic Avenue is to the

plan right, Hamburg Pike is to the plan bottom. And uh so that's the site. As far as the access to the site, current access, there is a right, there's a curve cut on Equinic Avenue that serves the retail store building and also we have a curve cut or access from Hamburg that also serves the retail stores. Uh the proposal for the Oh, should I go to the proposed? Okay. So the proposal uh for the site is the existing structure will remain and the applicant is proposing to add two more stories to the existing building and construct a residential component to this uh use and make it a mixed use uh for the property. So the retail will be on the ground floor or the first floor and second and third floor will have 10 apartment units. our architect will go in detail about the layout and elevations. Uh so that is the proposal. Also as part of the proposal we are proposing lot of uh site improvements on the property. Uh we are keeping the guideway on Viconic. We are keeping the driveway on Hamburg turnpike. We are relocating slightly modifying making it more per standard. uh currently the driveways are either too big or too little. So we are making it based on the uh vehicle circulation that we anticipate uh the sizes of the driveway. The driveway on Piconic Avenue will be one way in only to the property as and driveway on Hamburg 10pike will be a full access to in and out ingress and egress drive. We are also repaving and restriping the parking area. uh providing uh parking

spaces 45 parking spaces that are proposed for this project and I will quickly go over uh my parking calculations uh after I finished the site layout. Uh so there will be 45 parking spaces that uh we are proposing two handicapped spaces are also proposed. These handicapped spaces are van accessible both of them. So it's an 8ft aisle for parking, 8 foot van accessible aisle and then the second part second indicated spaces. So both of these parking spaces are van accessible as as required. Actually one is required but we are proposing both. Uh the addition to the existing building will be the stairs leading to the uh second floor and the third floor apartments. We are proposing a small addition to the right of the existing structure and one staircase addition on to the rear of the property and again the architect will go on the how it's going to be worked out with the floor finish with the floor layout of each apartment but so this is a addition right here and an addition in the back. As I said the existing building is going to remain as is. We have a trash enclosure uh pretty big trash enclosure. It's about I think 10 by 20 18 by 20 uh trash enclosure which can easily accommodate uh the trash generated both from the residential use as well as retail including solid waste and recyclables. Uh we are seeking some waiverss and variances and I'm going to touch base and then we are we have a planner who's going to go in detail for the justification. There are two shade trees proposed along Hamburg turnpike and one shade tree is proposed on Puquanic Avenue. Uh we are also proposing some landscaping to screen uh landscaping with the shrubs uh to screen the parking

lot that Lshaped element from Hamburg turn. Uh also uh uh as for the ordinance requirement, there are certain requirements to break the parking lot with certain green spaces like if you have more than 10 spaces, it has to be broken. So what we are trying to do is trying to add that element wherever we can. We are uh providing some green islands in between the parking. Again, we don't comply with the requirement. We still require a variance for that. But we are trying to accommodate uh by providing two one green island along uh uh the right side of the building and one to the rear. Uh oh and just a clarifying question, can you discuss the shade trees in the rear parking area? How many we're proposing? Uh we on the parking we're proposing one one shade tree in that green island uh by the parking. And how many are required of you? uh I I believe it's uh for the shade trees I think we are required every 40 ft but again uh because of our limitation of the existing parking in the front of the retail which is currently being used uh we're not proposing any in that area uh because that is an access for the cars coming in and out to the retail stores that is an existing uh non-conforming uh quickly go over uh our loading table which is on sheet 01 one. Uh as far as the bulk requirements, we are seeking one variance. Everything else is conforming. Uh the lot area, a lot width, the building height, uh sideyards, rear yards, they are uh conforming. The one lot impervious coverage we are seeking is the lot coverage. 50% is required in a gateway district. The existing site is 89.20

a little shy of 90% impervious. We are proposing an increase of slightly less than 5% which is 93.84. Uh so that is one of the variance that we are seeking. Uh the other is uh the parking. Now I'll quickly go over the requirements. Uh the retail component which is approximately 5,611 square ft. Uh based on the bureau's ordinance 108 spaces are required. We are proposing 25 spaces to serve the need. So that's a short of three parking spaces which is an open for residential unit 10 units two spaces for each unit is required when these spaces are required we are proposing 30 spaces. So if you do the math uh adding the retail and residential component 48 spaces are required and we are proposing 45 spaces. However, since this uh proposal or this proposed project is more than five residential units, it qualifies for the EV. We are required to provide EV charging stations and we are required to take credit of 10% of them. So, if you do our math, we are required to provide three part three EV spaces, EV charge uh spaces and we can take credit up to two cars. So if you rearrange the map uh 48 spaces as I mentioned required so that will go down to 46 spaces we are providing 45 spaces. So we are short of one parking spaces. One parking space for the combined use after taking the credit for even okay the next uh slide I'm going to or the next sheet is the C-4 uh which shows the grading and drainage. Currently there is no onsite drainage

system on the property. So everything from um the existing pvious and impervious areas the sheet flows uh some of it is based on the existing grading some of it flows towards Hampton pike some of it flows towards the back of the property to the south what we are proposing is uh based on the borrow again this project is not qualified as a major development for D so we don't have to follow the major development uh storm water management rules however we are proposing uh storm water management by providing dry wells uh on the property based on the bureau's requirements. And uh the idea there is that all the water the water that will flow down from the let's say middle half of the property to the right and to the back will be contained in those dry wells. We have some pipe file some inlets and the pipe connecting to the dry well. So the idea here is to collect all this undetained existing undetained runoff into the dry well systems. Uh the two systems that we are proposing the grading is uh the proposed grading will match as close as possible to existing. So there will be not a significant change in the grading or the overall uh drainage factor change uh for the project. uh as part of the grading we are proposing a retaining wall and I know there are some questions which uh in the colle's report which I'm going to address. The retaining wall runs along the western property line or to the plan north uh uh turns around to that uh uh to the site and then goes to again to the uh property line to that area which is next close to the puani. The wall is I would say the maximum height is 3 and 1/2 ft or less. So it's not one of the structural retaining wall. It will be

more designed as a gravity retaining wall. So and I believe there was a question in uh in the engineers report is that how the geogra will be fixed. Again we are planning the design is not finalized yet and again that is we will work on the wall design if uh this application gets the approval but it will be designed as a gravity wall which doesn't need any tube uh that will extend to the neighboring properties because it's less than 3 ft and again it tapers down up and down as it goes. Uh site lighting uh we are proposing all new lighting on the site. Uh it's a combination of light bulbs and uh wall panels along the property. The light fixtures that we selected are all LED type light fixtures full cut off downward throw to avoid any glow and uh glare to adjacent properties. Uh we have based on the comments we received on the first round of plans uh that were submitted and we received the report from Kers. So the plans that you see now are the result of I would say quite a few of those comments already being addressed. So the comments about the lighting as far as providing the average lighting uh we showed all those numbers and we comply uh with those comments. Uh traffic circulation uh we we are proposing uh actually we are showing uh two vehicle circulation. One is for the garbage truck circulation that can access the trash enclosure. It can access from either side whether it's coming from Tonic or from Hamburg. They can pull up to the trash enclosure. It will be a rear end loading and loading. They will load and then they can turn around and leave. Uh, of course is one way in so they can leave through Hamburg

turbine. The same situation is for passenger cars. We are showing the parking again there is a concern and there is a river or a variance we are seeking is the way uh and again that aisle weight for a 90° parking is required is 24 ft for most of the areas we are proposing 24 ft however in certain areas uh we have less than 24 ft and one of the area is uh to the right of the existing building because of this proposed addition uh we have 20.17 7. So we made sure that the circulation by showing the circulation that even even though it's less than 24 ft cars can come in and out of the parking spaces and then they can maneuver either way uh going or coming out of the parking spaces they utilize in those areas. So overall uh based on my professional opinion uh this traffic circulation works with the access to the vehicles that we anticipate uh as far as coming in and out of the property. One other comment is about loading unloading. There is no designated loading unloading provided on the property. However, what uh we discussed uh amongst our project team is that we have an area next to the parking spaces in front of the store that we are hatching for a what do you call proper circulation of the cars in and out. Right now there is no such hatching. So it's more like to delineate the car traffic flow the passenger car traffic flow or any traffic flow to come in and out follow the lanes coming out of the parking. So we have this hash area that we are basically uh reserving as for the vehicles that are traveling for the parking areas not to come in not to occupy that. But temporarily this area can be used as loading unloading both

for the residential or move in and move outs. Again we don't anticipate it's only tennis stores. We don't anticipate moveins and move outs very frequently. There will be a yearly lease or a 2-year lease or whatever. So it might happen very infrequently but again I think this space can be utilized as move in move out or any deliveries to the retail stores uh for that matter. Okay, now let's see. I will just quickly over some of the waiverss, design waiverss and variances that we are seeking and of course our planner is going to go in detail. Uh I will just touch base on them. Uh as I mentioned lot coverage we are asking for lot coverage variance. uh as I mentioned 50% is allowed. We are little less than 90% existing. We are asking for 93.8 so slightly over than existing. We are proposing car parking uh in the front yard which is not allowed as per the ordinance. Uh parking is 0 ft side yard 1 ft from the rear yard. Again there is a 10-ft requirement. Uh I believe it's 10t but we are not uh complying with that. So we are seeking for that number of parking spaces 48/46 spaces are required after the EV credit we are proposing 45. So technically we are one short of the requirement. Trash enclosure is 1 ft from the side property line and 1 ft from the rear yard. However, it should be 17.5 ft because it's considered as an accessory structure in the burough ordinance. But we think like the location of the trash and throer is stuck in the back where we have a natural uh landscaping buffer between our property and the property in

the back. There is fully mature trees buffer that currently exist. So that will scream uh the trash enclosure. Uh freestanding sign uh right now I mean this is just a concept of a sign that applicant would like. It's not finalized yet. We are trying to of course it will be done more tastefully based on approval from the board. Uh but again this is just an idea like 10t height is required. The applicant uh is proposing 12 ft and the reason for that is that because we have four businesses we want their names to be displayed. Again uh if the board ratios or if the board desires like this can be the height can be reduced to 10 ft to comply with the height. uh the square footage of the sign uh 15 square ft is required. We are proposing 32 square ft which is again little uh which is more but the idea here is this four store retail. So we want to have proper coverage for all the retail stores. The other uh comment is the location of the sign where it sits on the property. uh 10 foot is required from the property line in the front here and we are proposing the sign the free uh the freestanding sign to be located 2.75 ft from the property line but there is additional I would say 8 to 10 ft from the curb so however the reason for this is uh because the visibility of the sign we want this sign or the applicant wants the sign to be visible for any patrons that want to utilize these stores. So pushing it 10 ft back first of all it will impede the driveway access and uh uh parking area parking

area. Uh so and plus it will uh push the visibility of the sign a little bit more further back than uh it should be and uh as I would say is uh practical to have it for the cars traveling on Hamburg turn five or piconic to visibly see them. So those are some of the variances we are seeking and I believe I've covered everything. We can go over the report if you want. And just a clarifying question, uh the last design waiver listed uh in your table, can you just speak to that just a little bit to uh Yes. I have to go back. Okay. Uh the interior parking shall be landscaped and again as I mentioned the landscape island. So again that's a waiver that we are seeking. It's a design waiver. We are seeking for that because uh again uh in order to comply with getting close to the parking requirements, we are proposing green islands wherever we can to break that impact of uh complete landscape uh parking and drive. But again, that's a waiver that we are seeking. Okay. Then we can address the engineering report. Yes. Uh Mr. Chairman, would you like us to go through each of the comments in the engineering report? Yeah. I think that'd be the first thing to do is because it was a lengthy letter. Before that, I just I want to explain like as I mentioned like again these plans were originally submitted. We got the first round of comments from colleers. We revised and again as you can see in the latest report most not both but quite a few of those items are satisfied because uh we try to address as many comments uh then but there are some open comments uh that I can either

testify and go over them item by item and Okay. How would you like to see him handle that? you want to go over stuff or you want him to give you responses or I had a few questions which were based on some of the comments that were not addressed. So instead of keeping everybody here to go through each individual one I can just ask them if that's okay with you Mr. Chairman. Um just number one I wanted to ask about the relationship of the site to the 100y year plane and if any um deep regulations are um pertaining to this particular site. uh the site is uh uh it's not under the DP flood hazard area mapping or requirements. The the site is located in zone X with minimal chances of flood. Uh we did look at the FEMA mapping and the elevation the flood hazard elevation in the area which is delineated by these different colors and you can see is around 190 to 192 in the area where our property lies. our property is clearly out of the flood plane. In addition uh if we try uh compare this elevation 192 to 190 that is the maximum flood flood flood hazard area elevation our site is much higher. Our grades are in the range the lowest grade is 206. So we are well above uh flood hazard elevation requirement. Very good. Just wanted to get that on the record because I didn't know the the finished score. I did not have that information. Um, just a question actually not related to the letter. You mentioned hatching before. Hatching certain areas. You're going to stripe those. That is correct. Okay. Um, is it going to be white striping, yellow striping? It's not indicated on the planet shown hatched, but we can do either. We can do yellow or white, whatever the board wishes. I'll leave it to the board. I would say

white. White is typical. Um I would on that though I would add that um I mean you provided testimony that it would be infrequent use of um move in move out but I can tell you that there will be multiple deliveries a day when we're thinking about Amazon UPS and FedEx. So that space will be occupied frequently. Um so I'm not saying that that is a positive or a negative. I'm just saying we should be mindful of the fact that that will not occasionally be occupied. It will be occupied several times a day. and whatever um however it is marked. It may even be prudent to put a sign up, you know, like the size of like say a handicap sign that says for deliveries or something like that because if it's striped um I would think that like an Amazon van would think that they're not allowed to park there when in fact that's the intent of that space. Yeah, we we can actually do a sign and we can also park deliveries only. Yeah, that's not a problem. You can do that and we can do that as part of resolution compliance. Oh, yeah. Change your plans. Okay. So, that that'll be addressed in the um res I guess should the project be approved tonight in the resolution compliance set. Um, the bumpout in the back, I know that's probably more for the architect, but was there any consideration to reconfigure it or like is there a reason it's it's so, you know, it's narrow, long and narrow and not more square to the building, so it's not protruding as much. I don't know if you can answer that. I I would leave it to the architecture. Okay. And then the landscape island that's right behind it. Was there any

consideration because I'm assuming you did that just to keep your lot coverage, you know, a certain number. Is there a way or any thought of putting that somewhere else on site so you don't have such a narrow drive aisle in that spot? Uh, we can uh then yeah, we can we can move around. The only thing is then we'll lose the parking spaces. What if you move it all the way to the left? Uh we will lose couple of parking spaces because uh this area if you add parking spaces the drywall still will be less if we replace it with the parking spaces. Okay. And again as far as the small dry line which is dry line which is 16 ft it only serves these three spaces uh if you look at it. So basically like at 16 ft and again as I mentioned like we run the template and it if I mean the three first of all this is residential parking so I don't anticipate like a lot of traveling back and forth back and forth but this 16 ft is only serving three cars so in case if there is any conflict of a car coming in car coming out I believe 16 ft is enough for them to pass but of course but you have an auto parts store the next building over that runs behind this building all day Yeah. Uh they run deliveries out of there and they are constantly behind this building. So there's there's probably more traffic behind the building than there will be in the parking spaces in the front of the building. Oh, okay. And I think I I will leave it to applicant. I think in order to avoid that, you can always put a fence. But again, I don't know like how the arrangement will work between them though. Yeah. At the moment, I don't think that that's contemplated because we haven't, as far as I know, spoken with the owner next door. But, you know, this is just concerning our parking, not

necessarily how they're delivering. Well, I'm just She was making a point of how narrow it is. It's, you know, it's the width of a couple parking spaces. So, you have three parking spaces. So, if you move this to the left to the last parking space, you're going to gain that space back over here for two more parking spaces. Yeah. Uh we Yeah, we will. The only thing is uh if the car is parked there, then the drive element is still like 16 maybe 18 ft. So uh or if the board wishes I mean uh uh we can as far as the retail I know like the the the parking variance is basically created by the requirement for retail stores. Currently I counted is approximately only 23 spaces that serves these stores and there are no changes anticipated in the store as far as what the uses are in the parking but the requirement takes us to 28 requirement. So currently 23 spaces are serving. I think we have more than enough parking as long as we keep 20 spaces reserved for the residents. I don't know if there's uh I believe uh any variance in that it's enough. I mean whatever parking is left will be good enough for the people. So if the board decision might we can work it out. Maybe a loss of one or two parking spaces but yeah we can work that out. Well let me ask you this. Um I'm not sure who would know this more. The property that runs along the back, is that common area or is that private property? My house, please. Please. Um, you will definitely property that runs across the back of the the other building where the bagel place is in the and the auto store is. Are those separated in any way legally or, you know, how how is the how is it that the guy that's in the 02 can drive around the back and then drive across your property to come out? Is there a

easement or is what's just it's just a pavement right across the map. He tried to fence it probably 20 25 years ago and it was open for so long that they uh they they made them open up again basically that it's been a throughway for so long uh that um they won't let them close it off. They actually had it fenced for a short time and 002 went uh uh they might have got a lawyer involved or something. So, I'm very familiar with it. Okay. And um they made him open it up again because um it was open for so long they couldn't let them you know they let him use it as a throughway for so many years that they they told them they couldn't close it off. The only thing is it impacts this development right now this project. So that's why I'm asking it does. So, but I I don't know how to ask. Yeah. You know, as as far as I know, like there is no legal easement or rights granted to the neighbor. And again, as part of this application, that's a concern and I think that is a valid concern. Well, it's a question. Yeah. So, I think the they owners the owners of two at the point at that time, but it went to a court or just It might have it might have. Okay. Now, you might want to look into that. I'm not trying to say to block it. I'm just trying what I'm trying to do is figure out how much the adjacent properties traffic impacts what you're trying to do here. There's a lot of constraints on your site. It's not clean. And so every every little thing that's not in accordance with our plan has to have an impact and be discussed. So, I I think the landscaped uh square could be moved. I don't think you're going to lose much, but the point of the point of the matter is there's a lot of constraints on this site with parking.

And I'm not sure how each one would be dealt with. Um I agree with uh the comment about this addition out the back. I don't know if it can be flipped 90° so it's parallel to the building. There's dead space in the back in one spot. There's too tight in another spot. Um, you've got 22 feet of clearance on the main entry to the back. You've got 20 ft for the cars backing out along what used to be the old uh I think it was a photo. Yeah. Um, so I don't know whether that that uh shrugged area can be moved to give you more space there. I have a lot of questions about that. So, I think each one you're going to have to address and you know, you guys bring up good points. Um, but there's questions and I'm sure once we get to the public, there'll be more. So, um, I I will say though, he he is offering a lot of parking spaces. Yes. For the size of the project, more than some of the other projects that have come here. So, I I I think to his comment there there I believe there's adequate parking whether there's adequate navigation that remains well that becomes a problem and you know we have we have the ability to to provide a variance on parking as you know but not just willy-nilly I I mean I like I said I am concerned with the fact that there's very narrow access areas and while there's a straight in approach which could accommodate fire equipment I'm sure Mr. Keing will get into that as well with you. So, um I'm not sure who started the thing about the parking, but it's going to continue with a lot more than just that one item. So, um is Mr. Khan done with

his presentation portion? Question. I had one last on that. Okay, go ahead. Just one last one. Um comment number 16 on the wall. I think you addressed it very clearly in your testimony that it's a three three and 1/2t high wall. The detail you provided was very hefty, very hefty geogrid and whatnot. So that'll be revised. Are is there going to be any screening on that wall cuz we don't show any fence on the proposed site plan. I know there's an existing fence. There's a chain link fence and that there's a board on board that's kind of falling apart for lack of a better word. What is happening with the screening back there? Is that fence staying? Is it on your property? Is it on resident's property behind you? And how are we addressing that? Yeah, the chain link fence is on the property behind us. So, it's not on our property. Okay. So I mean it's of course it's going to stay because we don't have the right to remove that. What about the wooden fence? Uh wooden fence is also on the edge of back property. Will you be providing any screening on top of the wall? I think it's required because that residences behind you whether you have a fence on the fence you know. Yeah. What we can do is we can provide like the decorative decorative safety fence metal fence or something mounted on top of the wall for safety like so that people don't transfer board or the vinyl test whatever we can do that. Thank you. [Music]

else jumps out to me. Um, when you talk about the parking that's for residents, will that be specific spaces assigned to residents or where there will be a batch of parking spaces that say resident parking only? How will that work? Uh, the idea again here is like there will be dedicated spaces for each uh unit owner. Okay. And then after the store hours, they can utilize the other parking as well if they need to during the night time when the store closes up until the morning 6:00 similar. Is is it going to be marked? We can mark or we can place I don't care. I'm just asking. That was my question. Yeah, we can we can put signs or we can mark them numbers and assign each other number. Okay. And similarly, speaking of shared type of things, um the the refues, the dumpster, um will that be for both residents and the businesses and how will that work with there being I believe there's a restaurant there which is kind of a more difficult trash situation. Um so how will that be handled? the the sizing or the size of the structure itself is enough big enough that we can accommodate if there's any special requirement for special waste like say restaurant use they would be responsible to take care of that they have to arrange for whatever uh pickups are required and but as far as the storage is going for solid waste and recycling okay but so but we are clear that if there is a business whose trash does not go into that dumpster shown. They can't add another dumpster. There's not room on the site. That is correct. Exactly. Okay. Um [Music] I think that's it. I mean, not so much a

question, but just an observation. It's unfortunate that those spaces on the front of the site couldn't be eliminated. I understand that you're meeting the parking requirements, but those it's just not even safe. Um, but it's a existing condition. I know. Have you gone to the county yet? Uh, no, not yet. Okay. Cuz they'll have something to say, I'm sure. But this kind of arrangement is pretty much for the whole block of the retail like they you see like they have the parking. That may be, but that doesn't mean it's desirable. I mean, no, I just Yeah. What made you select the back corner of the building for the handicap spots as opposed to closer to where that hash mark is going to be so the handicap can service the retail locations? Uh the the accessibility is mostly to the residences. Uh we can always provide one handicap in the front. uh uh like one of the park space and one in the back for retail. So I mean those they can be rearranged and they can be provided one for retail in the front. I was just wondering if it if it satisfied the requirement for retail space for handicap parking. It's supposed to be the shortest distance uh to the excess but again like we have four uh retails. So it depends like if you provide here it will be a shortest to the first one but it's not going to be the shortest to the last one but it's certainly shorter to the last than it is back here in the back. So yeah we we can definitely add another handicap for the retail. Hey Mike, could you knock that air conditioning off? Yeah, I think people are cold in here. You think you can turn it down? Yeah, we'll turn it up. You want hot? Not really. Warmer. Yes. Warmer. Little

bit warmer. That's what it doesn't. I think it's wonderful, but Mr. J, just staying on the parking. Um, so the ones up front currently right now are just for commercial. Is there a way to keep that just commercial? So there's no overnight parking in the front. That is the intent like again there are existing commercial and that's the intent that there will be commercial uh a sign can be added saying that commercial parking so we can only so we can always yeah we can always add that. Perfect. Thank you. Mr. Chairman are are there garbage can are there garbage containers now separate for each uh building or how how's it working right now? I'm not sure about that though. So I think you can ask the applicant. I mean it would if we knew that there was three containers for example and now you're going to one container that's that's improved um instead of having you know containers all around the back of the building. And I don't really ask we can certainly find that out. Today there seemed to be two containers. I visited the site. There were two in the back. Mr. Chairman. Yeah sure. Uh I I know that the engineers already did their comments, but there was an earlier comment that I don't know whether or not it was resolved. I seem to remember something about uh structural difficulty, you know, uh with the feasibility of getting it from a one-story building to a three-story building. I know that that was not commented on today. Is that something that has been resolved? Architect. Architect. Oh, and we also did provide a structural uh feasibility study for the board's review. So, we can take a look at that. You'll have an architect next, right? Yes, we have the architect.

Um, well, let's see. I think the architect's going to have to address the issue of that proposed addition in the side in the back. The parking we've gone over, but I I'm not content with yet. Um, the strip along Hamper Turnpike that has the shrubbery that looks like it's probably what 8 to 10 ft. Can that be reduced to make it a little bit more of a pass through? I know it's been increased in pvious, but yeah, 20 ft's kind of tight. Yeah, it's very tight. I I don't think you have that much room there. I think that shrub's maybe 3 or 4 feet. That that shrub line if you will between the sidewalk and the parking lot between here and there. The the sign is still that wide. Yeah. Is that the scale? Cuz you got you got about 2 and 3/4 ft to the edge of the sign. That is correct. So if you make it like 4 ft, we will get 24 ft back up to those mark. So I think we have room that we can shrink the landscape area and add the backup height to 24. Well, that's what I'm getting at is that that may be a possibility where, you know, you could increase that takes care of that one spot. Um, the 22 ft, I don't know how big the addition has to be. We'll talk to the architect about that. Um, the number of spots, uh, I would like to see the least impact on the adjacent properties one way or the other. the fencing will help. Um, does board have any other questions about the engineer's testimony? Otherwise, I'll go to the architect. One more. Yes. I'm concerned about the stripe the the hatch parts just what you were bringing up. How are we stopping retail from parking in the hatch if there's no spots? So, if I'm going

running into a store to pick up something really quick, there's no spots. I'm going to park in that hatched area. I even though it's illegal. I understand that. Um it's you're asking people to park their bike because of the space it's open. Yeah. And I think we can put the signs and uh caution signs and things like that. Yeah. Of course, human behavior is like we're going to change that. So if they couldn't find the parking, they will try to just go in there. But but the applicant is willing to you know do as much as they can to prevent that by putting proper signs like for deliveries only, no parking. I I think what I'm going to do is I'm going to open the public session just for what Mr. Khan has discussed. Not anything to do with the architecture and the building adjustments that we just talked about, but just to get their input on the site layout of course. So, if you're prepared to answer questions, I'm going to open up the meeting to the public just for what Mr. Khan has discussed. So, if any of you have questions about that part, there'll be another open session for the architect and then there'll be one final one before we take a vote if we get that far. So, just to should assure you, you got chances to speak. So, questions. Questions? Yeah. So, um just your name and your address and come up here to the microphone, please. Sir, am I allowed to make comments or just question? Questions first and then we'll have comments. Questions first. Then you can stand. If you want to say, you can say, you can stand. Your choice. Thank you. First of all, um I want to um say thank you. Just question. Okay. Do you want to know who I am? Yes. Your name and your address. My name. Okay. My name is Kimberly Adams. This is my husband, Mark Adams. We live at 10 Quanic Avenue.

We're lot 8 in Compton Lakes. We our home and backyard is located right behind the dumpster that's in the picture um in the back side corner. Um I have we have comments that we'll share later, but for the questions, I made a few notes. Um I was just going to read what I wrote. This is not my first time in here, so I want to make sure that I'm following your rules. Um let's talk um quickly or my question about the parking spots. Um was there a a study done? So I'm hearing a lot of numbers. Um in the notification we got I believe that they were looking for 48 parking spots. Um 48 parking spots. Um, and now it's gone down to 45 parking spots and we've been that's being discussed. Um, I wanted to know if there's been um what kind of cars are used for your parking spaces. Is there going to be like two cars per unit? Is there going to be for the two bedrooms maybe three cars per unit? And they'll be will they be assigned? They will be assigned. And again as per the requirements we require two parking spaces for each unit and that's that's what we so one bedroom two bedroom are do you have three bedrooms as well? I I think we have one threebedroom uh four onebedrooms and five two bedrooms. So, if all the apartment stations um if the apartments are full and there's families who have more than two cars um and there's they're not assigned spots, where do you think the overflow of that parking is going to go? I believe that is when they're going to contemplating the lease, they would be told that there are only two spaces. So, if that doesn't work for them, they would have to find

another space. Would it be permissible to say that they would go to Pawanic Avenue, which is right there, um, and leave their cars in front of homes and residences? I would say that that's probably outside the purview of the engineer's testimony. And, you know, this is just how we calculate the number of required parking spaces. Okay. So I guess that I would raise question if you're telling people too and they have three cars ch like teenagers with cars, motorcycles, um trucks, um and I don't know how large the spaces are. I don't know if like a large SUV is will fit in next to a smaller vehicle um or not, but could you explain that to me, please? Each parking space is 9 ft by 18 ft which is an standard engineering uh requirement or requirements for RSIS which is residential site improvement standards. So the state gives you certain standards that it has to meet those requirements and the standard is 9 ft by 18 ft and that's what we are proposing. Uh usually your SUV let's say Ford 150 or slightly bigger trucks they're about 16 ft long 16 and 1/2. Suburban is 16 1/2 ft long. So these 9 by 18 ft spaces are good enough to find the building. Okay. Um how many lights are in the complex right now of this property? Uh I'm not sure. I didn't count it existing. And how many lights are you going to put in? Uh we are proposing see We are proposing a light board uh right here which is by Ember. Another one here. One uh uh on this side in this green island. Again I believe your house

is here. I believe that's correct. Yeah. So again there will be all away from your house. The second one is by the trash enclosure right in front of the house. That's our house. That's my house. That is your house. Yeah. But these light fixtures are facing towards the parking lot. And again as I mentioned like the pictures we selected are all LED they're full cut off which means like you don't see the glow or shine going across and they're all down. And can I ask right now there is a hole holding wires that is in between um our home and um Frank's house here on right on the lot on the corner to put it all the way to the corner. Is there a proposal to move that all the way back where the trash is? Yes. Uh it's existing pool to be relocated and we have the new location right here. And can you explain um what does that do? What's that going to entail? How's that what's what height is that? And it's the same poll like usually what the the process for the utility pool relocation is first you have to find out which util utility company are using that pole. It can be Verizon, it can be optimum, it can be two or three different companies. So you have to coordinate with them. But one company would be the owner of the utility. So you have to contact them, you have to find and that's all done part of the construction process. So before anything any work is done on the property, you contact the utility company, they contact the other utilities and then this uh basically give you a proposal or whatever. Every applicant has to pick up the tab schedule and then it will be done. So will the wires then be coming from the street now all the way through the backyards of our homes that are right there in addition um to the highrising of the units you're trying to put in. No actually what will happen is like the utility pole is shifting from here to

here. So the the path of the wires will remain the same. It's not shifting. It's only the location of the pole has been shifted. So they don't the the um wires don't shift down with the pole. They shift while like wherever the pole like whatever is connecting right now. So if it's connecting from the street to the pole and the pole moves up but it's going to still connect from the street to the pole but the pole is even further up. The pole is going to be the pole is there to support the street lines. That's why that pole is there. So, you're going to have a big cable going straight across in my view in front of in my backyard going to the other side. Correct. Uh yeah. Yes. And the the dumpster the setback for a dumpster in this in this should be how far from my property? Uh I think it's 17 ft. 17 ft. 17.5. Yes. 17.5. So, and you requested how much? Uh we are putting right on the property now. So, zero out. Yeah. Okay. Just want to confirm that. And so that is for a trash um receptacle. Is it fenced in? Yeah, it's all like a vinyl fence. It's like an enclosure with vinyl fence. And what is your um what have you built in? And maybe it's not for you, it's for someone else. But for rodents because we the the trash from the pizzeria from the adding all all of these two floors and the smell and the odor. How how is it how are you going to prevent that from happening? You you have to put the dumpster if it's going right and we object to that. It's a it's a permitted use currently like the whatever the uses are on the property they have permitted use. Yeah. And if I may that don't sit outside of the engineers per Okay. So, who would would we ask that question? She someone who's here tonight. The best person to ask that would be the applicant. So, we have to put the applicant. We sure that Yeah. We just want to make sure we fully understand.

We're here to, you know, legitimate question and it needs to be answered. Yes. Yes, that's fine. Um Okay. Um so, that's a like that. Um the rodents um the structure wall, the retaining wall. Um, we there is a wall there now. Is that being taken out and redone? Uh, 3.5 ft. Is that correct? So, it's going to be right on the property line. It's going to be on the property line. It's going to be right next to my fence. So, we have a fence that's up um and that and people sit on it and smoke on it. I think as far as the comment from them, they want us to put some kind of a screen on top of the wall. So, something is going to prevent it. Okay. We'll prevent people from doing that sitting on the fence. Even though I just want to say for the record that we do object to it being zero. Well, I know we'll get there. We'll get there, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Um, okay. Let me just see. I've just made some notes. Um the large signs that you have um those are out of scope as well. Those out of the ordinances correct for the town. The free shing sign. I mean this is this is not the sign that's going to be there. It's just like a placeholder for now. So yeah, we are asking for a few variances for that and it's being raised up higher than a regular the lot the allotted amount for um right now 10 ft is required. We are 12 ft but uh we can work out and we can push it back to 10. Okay. And I believe that you wanted um the signs um you had testified that you said the um the intentional for the larger sign is that you want um people to really see the signs when they're coming down. Is that correct? Yeah. It's

not doesn't mean like it's going to McDonald's or I mean the gas station type sign. It will be just like you see like you go to like a retail store where they're about to build uh hence you just put their signs. And just to clarify th that sign that you're referring to will be at the towards the front of the property. Correct. Not on the side. That is that's right here. Yeah, it's right there. September. Okay. And that is one of the things that the board has a say in. So, you know, you ask your questions and then we'll deal with it. Okay. I think that Let me just I made some notes. I'm sorry. I wasn't aware it was question only. I was just going to read something. Um Okay. Can I ask is uh from the last time is this a pet building that's going to be coming in? That's not really a question for the No. Okay. I heard someone ask it on an earlier hearing. So I was curious about that as well because that makes a difference with the yarding and the grass. May have asked about for pets pet area. Oh no. Oh well. I may chair person. I just asked for a walking area for the dogs. Yes. Would there be that? I guess I'm wondering. Yeah, I can confirm this is not going to be a pet building. No. Yes, the applicant has Okay. Um, anything else for right now, Mark? Uh, the a lot of green space that's supposed to be for the uh lot. Um, you're putting free trees. There used to be on that wall. There used to be multiple trees shading us from seeing that building and they were taken down. So now it's just supposed to be questions. Oh, questions. Yeah, let me let me explain why. Um the the way the municipal land use law is set up is applicants are allowed to put on their case and and everybody's really to question it and then afterwards anybody that wants to say anything, bring in a witness, bring testimony, give your opinions all the time. You'll

have another shot all the time in the world. But it just that's how it's designed. It is not limiting you. It's setting the time when people do it. Please, sure. Everybody's got a comment. You'll get to do it. But I should say they the applicant gets to go and then the public says everything that they want. And the reason I I separated out the engineer from the architect is because sometimes people don't they have questions, they don't want to wait till the end. So we get everything addressed that he dealt with. Architect comes up and we'll have questions for what he dealt with. Okay. Then come the comments. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um my last um question just for right now. um the back wall um that borders where the trash is going in our fence. Um we used to have all green trees, all beautiful green trees that blocked the view. Um they were all cut down. You mean on property right here? Behind? Yes. Mhm. There on the wall. There were trees on the wall. They were probably wild grown trees if I had to guess. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. plan. So the if the wall is put where they claim it's going to be, they already addressed it. They would be putting in some kind of fencing that would be kind of like the equivalent of trees. It's just going to be solid. Okay. So like a a higher height which will also hopefully prevent people from parking on the wall. How is it when you propose to take away that wall? How is what are you going to support my property from falling into your property when you take that wall down? Usually like 3 3 and 1/2 ft with you dig like when you take this listing wall and put it uh usually it's not like unless you have like really sandy soil and you have a drainage conditions like uh uh like water intrusion high ground water then you will be worried about slope stability otherwise I I know in this area it's mostly clay semi soil so it's not something that once you remove

3 ft and everything's going to fall that soil back there is it's not sandy it's not sandy but it is grally it's uh clay at all and usually there are mechanisms like you can provide a temporary shoring to show that bank whatever is there if it's that kind of a soil that you can see like you can have the stability issues you can always show it only three three and 1/2 ft based on my experience I think you can just do with wood planks or plywood hood it and then construct the new walls and restore it I think we can address that by making sure that there's a condition in the if there's an approval a condition could be made to say that Any work that disturbs an adjacent property has to be restored to the original condition regardless. So, so if it stands and it doesn't need anything, so be it. But if all of a sudden there's a problem or you come across a huge boulder and it goes inside a property line, it's on you to or on your applicant to make it good. So, I think we can just leave that assurance for now that it'll help you to understand that if for any reason they disturb your property, they would have to fix it. And my last question, um, the stories for the apartments, uh, there's balconies, I'm sorry, on the back. Were we starting to talk about that or no? I will leave it to the architect. Oh, that's right. Okay. Thank you. That's we'll be questioning. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry. Thank you very much. No problem. No problem. Super important to us. So, everything. Does anyone else have any questions for Mr. Khan? Yes, sir. come up. Let your name and your address, please. Chris Verante, 26 for Quantica. My question is in regards to the garbage right there. Have you considered swapping that with this landscape or moving it farther away from the residential backyards to maybe over here, which I think borders maybe some town property back. Have you have you and then then you I know then the

architect would have to move this stair here but this would solve numerous complaints by moving the garbage away from the most of the residents after this. Yeah. Yeah. We looked at it originally. I think if I'm not mistaken I think original plan was yeah to was the garbage in this area. Uh we can definitely look into I think one of those things like the accessibility. I know it will be convenient for the retail I mean for the tenants but for the retail it will be a long run to go there. So that's why we kept it here so that is convenient for both the residents as well as the I think all the retail have back doors here. So I don't think I don't think it's a long run. So the question is can they relocate relocate the garbage? He can look into it and okay that's a valid question. The applicant is certainly willing to look into it but it could mean the loss of garbage spaces. Okay. So, you'll actually gain a parking space if you moved this all the way over here and put this in the corner. You'll actually gain a parking space right there. I don't think the truck come back in that space. We may have to lose parking. I think we'll just be something we can look into. We're going to Yeah, we're going to leave it as a question that it's a legitimate question for you to look into it and we'll uh we'll see how it goes. Anything else we can do? Okay. Thank you. Anyone else from the public? Yes, sir. Come on up. Again, your name and your address, please. Uh, Prep Blake, 11 Pani. Uh, couple quick questions. The structure in the back that's projecting out. Uh, did you get any consultation from the fire department? turning radius apparatus. Is there any fire lane marking and is that affect the parking in there? We actually did get a review letter from the uh fire department today

and I don't believe that that was a comment that they made. Mr. King. Yeah. The only thing I was concerned about, sir, was the access to it not getting a fire truck all the way around it. I just wanted the 22 ft which the engineer brought up so we can get a fire apparatus to that dumpster area just in case there's a dumpster fire or a car vehicle fire. So I did not want to uh commit an apparatus that far into behind the building could get trapped in the back there too easily. Yeah. And and just to your point that that was not a comment in the fire department. Correct. Mr. Keing's our fire official so you get the comments from him and you get the questions from him. My question is, cuz I'm a retired firefighter, as you come in off a Hamburg turnpike, you're not going to be able to make that turn to get to the back of the building. And if you come in the other way from 002 with that projection, you're not going to be able to get to the back of the building. And that's one question. And my other question is, you have traffic coming from the 2 flow and you're going to have traffic going this way. What's going to happen with all that congestion in there? How are people going to navigate with parking and there's no flow? There's not going to be any room to get around the building. They're going to have to address that because we have some similar questions. Um my other question was on the the old photo mat lot. I don't know how big they're saying that area is, but if you have head-end parking, are you gonna have enough room to back out with the shrub line and all that? I mean, how big is that? Um, yeah, I think that's one of the comment that the chairman asked us like 20 ft. Right now, we have 20 ft, but we have a room we can push it to 24 ft, which is again required for backing up. They're going to have to address some of

these issues. And um yeah, I mean reality what it says on the paper and reality is another thing. If you pull in head in and there's five cars parked, you're not going to be able to cut back to back out without running over these shrubs or whatever. I mean, I walk through that lot many times a day. It's just not that big. Okay, we'll address the question. The comments you can hold for later. Um, my other question is the mayor brought it up about the striping the deliveries. What about the deliveries to the commercial businesses? They're going to park in there. But now if they're parked in there, people are trying to come into the lot to park. You're going to have congestion on Hamburg turn. You're going to have people backing up uh with traffic there because there's just not going to be enough room for all these cars to get into this property. That's what we have right now. Yeah. exist and I I believe the engineer did testify that this is also an existing condition not only here but on several of the adjacent commercial lots as well. So it's not something that doesn't the county will have to address that as well because it's on a county road. So this has to be um when we're done with it they can't go anywhere until they get a county approval. [Applause] That's that'll do for now. Thanks. Thank you. Anyone else? Seeing no one, I'm going to close the public session for Mr. Khan and thank you and we'll just keep you on hand for a little while and see what goes on next. Thank you very much. 10:30. Yeah, I know it's u we'll stop the meeting at about 11. Okay. So, I was going to ask for a 5m minute recess if that's possible. We've been having 3 hours. So, that's fine. Or just maybe. It's okay. If you want five minutes, go ahead. Uh there's going to hold off for five minutes. It's now um 10:35. 8 minutes. Yeah. 5 minutes.

10:35. 5 minutes. Yeah. 5 minutes. Are we back on? Um, okay. So, we're resuming at uh what was that? 10:37. Okay. Um, what we're going to do, just so everyone knows, the 11 11:00 is our bewitching hour. So, uh, we'll hear from the architect, probably carry questions for the architect to next month. Uh, we're certainly not going to complete the application tonight. So, um, we'll start with the presentation now. Yeah. And thank you, Mr. Chairman. That was going to be uh my suggestion. Uh we'll we'd like to get some preliminary testimony in for the architect and you know we've had some good feedback from the board members from the public. We'd like to take that try and work on what we can and see if we can submit some revised plans taking into account all the comments that we've heard today. And while we're on that topic, yes, um, a suggestion that we would make, several of the board members agree, you might want to contact the county and discuss with them what you're trying to do because what while you don't have to do that, I mean, that's certainly your choice, but it may affect what you bring back to the board. And so my my biggest concern is the area along the front of the property. The county has issues with anything that fronts on the county road and it may affect drainage. It may affect parking. It may affect setbacks. I don't know. It's just it would be prudent if you care to to just have a discussion with them. Certainly. And this way it maybe guide you a little bit. We can absolutely reach out to them. Okay. Look, please go ahead then.

Please raise your right hand, state your name, and spell your last. Yogish mystery. Y O G E S H M I S T R Y. Do you swear or affirm the testimonial you'll give this evening before this board will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help you got Yes, I do. You any relation to mystery? Uh I I know that person, but not related. Okay. Uh so can you please elaborate on your licenses and qualifications as a professional architect? Sure. Uh I am a licensed architect in New Jersey. Uh have been since 2000. Uh I have a bachelor's degree in architecture from New Jersey Institute of Technology as well as a masters in management. I've been practicing over 25 years. I currently have a practice in Bud Lake, New Jersey. Um I've testified as a professional architect in many uh zoning and planning boards throughout Northern New Jersey, including this one. And are your New Jersey licenses? Yes. Thank you. Acceptable. Okay. Uh so you were retained to draft the architectural plans for this project correct? Yes sir. Okay. So please walk us through the plans you prepared and what is being proposed. Sure. Um I'll just start with uh this exhibit. I believe this was submitted as part of the the package that was uh submitted uh on behalf of our firm. Um this is a 3D color rendering of the proposed project. It doesn't have a date on it. Uh just says 7:14 720 Hamburg turnpike mixed use jersey on it. Pardon me for interrupting. Uh this would this was actually not part of the original uh application. So this would be uh applicants A1. Yeah. Do you have any hard copies? Because you have to have a hard copy that the board can maintain. So do we have any I don't have a rendering of this. I apologize. I I I did have hard copies 11 by 17 and I I left them at home thinking this was all digital. We will provide them at the office. We will provide the exit. So describe a little bit. Yeah. A1. What exactly is it? And you'll provide a hard

copy. Sure. It's a 3D color rendering prepared by our office showing the front and kind of right side of the project in this proposed manner. It's also showing to the left slightly the auto parts store that's currently existing and showing the the you know the immediate parking in the front. So this would be uh exhibit A1 A1 A1. Um I just wanted to start with this because it kind of gives you a general overview. Um I think the the engineer kind of described the general intent of our project which is to keep uh there's an existing one-story strip I guess strip center retail center. Um believe there's three stores currently there. There's kind of four slots for the retail stores. Two of them are a liquor store and I believe there's a pharmacy and a pizza to the left side of the uh the building. Um those are going to remain. There's also a basement. Um the the footprint of the building is 5,630 ft approximately and the basement is essentially the same footprint down and the basement is just essentially just storage. Um so we want to retain that and then we want to put two stories of uh residential apartments uh directly on top of the building. Um and the two stories of apartments will compose of 10 new apartments. Um those 10 apartments are broken down into four onebedroom, three twobedroom and one threebedroom. Is that right? Four four onebedroom, three two bedroom uh five twobedroom and one threebedroom. So, a total of 10 units and and um so and the proposed total height of the building is three stories and it's going to be 40 ft 6 1/2 in from average grade

to the to the top. Um there also will be I'm I'm going to kind of switch uh exhibits. Switching to the uh these are the architectural drawings that were submitted as part of the application. Um I don't know if I need to mark this but these are the same drawings. Um again this is this first page A1.01 shows the existing conditions. There's the two floor plans of the first floor and the basement at the the bottom of the page. You kind of see the photos uh running along the top. This is kind of a simple uh sort of an outdated strip mall. And these are the proposed floor plans. Uh starting on the bottom right, um the basement is going to remain as is. We are going to add uh a stairs elevator tower to the right that will connect all the floors includ including the basement and then there's a stair tower in the rear of the building which would only uh serve the residential portion of the uh building. Uh uh to the left of that is the first floor plan. Again, the the uh the retail tenants would stay the same. To the right is the stair and elevator tower for the residential apartments. And then at the rear is the fair uh fire stair tower uh at the rear just to serve the residential units. Um and then the second and third floor which are almost identical will have five units per floor. again uh broken down into the uh the ratio I just mentioned in terms of one bedrooms, two bedrooms or three bedrooms. Um there'd be kind of a u three units that face the Hamburg turnpike and then two units that face the rear of the property. Um just a corridor down the middle and it kind of connects the two uh fire stairs. Uh they will all all the units will be ADA

adaptable. They'll be ADA accessible through the elevator. Um and and they'll be uh you know all new upto-date uh modern apartments. Um they'll all be sprinklered. Uh the the onebedroom will have 790 ft at minimum. Two bedrooms are 1,090 ft or larger. And then three bedroom is 1,270 ft. Um and then these are the uh elevations that I think it's better depicted on the uh the rendering. Um you know we do we are looking to kind of redo the whole facade of the building uh including the uh the ground floor and of course the upper upper floors. Our idea on this was to do kind of these bay windows that face the uh the street just to give the residents some kind of a nicer nicer view towards the street as well as just to articulate the facade and and kind of break up the colors as well. Um we do want to do um kind of clean up the the signage band that's going across the the retail. Um it will the area the signage will stay the same and just kind of re reconstruct that. Um, we do want to do some facade renovation. We're going to put some brick veneer over the uh the sort of the ground floor level um along the front. Um, the upper floors uh and the kind of residential areas will be uh ea stucco kind of kind of two-toned colors there. Um, and yeah, I I know there was a a comment regarding the stair in the back, uh, and why it was oriented, you know, kind of perpendicular to the building versus sort of parallel. It is really essent essentially because of what's going on in the back. There's um exit doors for the retail tenants in the back. So, if

I, you know, if I rotated that 90°, it would, you know, impede on those exits. In addition, anything on the second and third floors kind of block all the windows. So, um, you know, kind of uh positioned it the way it is because of that reason. Um, I know there were also fire comments regarding uh fire department connections and and uh locations for fire alarm panels. We have no problem kind of coordinating that with the fire department and you know wherever is appropriate for them we could uh you know we could locate it accordingly. Um and as well as providing a knockbox uh where they feel it's required. Um yeah that that's really it. I think it's you know uh we we feel it's a it's a great improvement to the property. It provides mixed use uh to something that you know to a property that's kind of underutilized. You know, I've been there many times and you know the parking lot is definitely not full. You know, there's people that kind of come in and out of the liquor store and and then, you know, I think the the other two tents are use. Um you know, one thing I know there was a comment regarding the access to the back between the two properties. U my understanding with discussing with the client is that um you know they his intention is to block that and just put a fence up because he doesn't want people from that side you once this development is done to kind of go onto his property and you know use his parking stalls. Um he doesn't know of any easements or any restrictions and you know preventing him from doing that. Um, but I think that's that's about it for me. Yeah. Any questions from the board? Okay. I think uh rather than have

questions from us or the uh public, we'll u call it a night, I believe. Anyone have a problem with that? Would you rather? No. Okay. Um the amount the announcement will be that this will continue at the next planning board meeting which is scheduled what you say July 22nd. July 22nd. July 22nd at 7:30 p.m. Uh those in Got Legacy 15th 15th. Yeah. 22nd is too far out. Yeah. July 15th at 7:30 p.m. right here with u continuation questions for the architect, any other testimony they want to bring and then um we'll have discussion or have comments and we'll see where we go with that. Uh and just to clarify, we will not need to renotice for this meeting. No notice required. Note that this continues on to July 15th. Thank you. And the notice that the U planner puts out, planning department puts out will also show it. So if anybody has any questions, that'll be in the newspaper anyway. Um, are you good with all that? Okay. So the applicant's okay. Um, board is okay. We're not done yet, guys. We got a few more quick questions. Okay. So I'm just going to uh stop the public meeting now and then you guys are free to leave. Um, we just have a couple more minor things to go over and then we can go ahead. Thank you. Great. Thanks for stopping in and helping us. My pleasure. The next meeting you're going to ask? Yeah, possibly. Uh, as far as I have

back or you want to hear me for now? still doing stuff. We're still going. Okay. Thank you. I'm not giving you board to discuss a recommendation to council for a change in regarding correspondence from Wayne. Is that on the photographs? So, I have those copy. I wasn't sure I was going to discuss it tonight, so I did hand them out to everybody, but they they'd been handed out like several times and then we just keep pushing it and then we were waiting for um you to um review and respond. Okay. I don't know. Um do you want me to pass them out? If you want to discuss this or pass them out, we can discuss it next month or pass them out. We'll all be on the same page then. All right. I'll I'll I can forward that to actually Yeah, just send it send it by email. And uh did we did that? We did that. Okay. I'm going to open the meeting one more time for public discussion on any matter. Everybody's gone, so I'll close it. And anybody have anything else they want to bring up? No. Motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn. Second. Motion in a second. You can stay the motion. I'm sorry. I did. Okay. The two musketeers over here. [Music] Wow, that was something.