Board - Regular Meeting

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Order. Charter Township of Plymouth Board of Trustees regular meeting Tuesday, April 21, 2026, 6:30 p.m. Roll call. Roll call. Okay. Jim Buckley here. Trusty Clinton here. Supervisor Kermy here. Treasurer Dora Sephits here. Trusty Gro. So nice to see our deputy clerk stepping up here. Trusty Stewart here. And Jay Borba is absent. All right. Pledge of allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Agenda.

First item, we're going to have a a recognition of Arbor Day, which is also a requirement to be a tree city. So, I'll just read the Arbor Day. Foundation is celebrating its 50th anniversary of the Tree City USA program. This is a Plymouth Township's fifth year receiving recognition as a tree city community. This well-deserved recognition is a testament to our community's unwavering commitment to the planting, care, and celebration of trees. Pumma Township has planted over 700 provided over 700 trees in the last few years. Um, and we uh if you look at a map from 1950, uh we had almost no trees in Plymouth Township. Now we have many. Well, that's one reason that you have maybe less reliable electricity. Um,

blame the trees. Blame the trees. Yep. Uh, so approval of the agenda. Do we have a motion for that? I move to approve the agenda. submitted.

We have a second. It's Mark Clinton. Uh I want to before we uh move to the first item, which is a close session, introduce you to John Clark, who is our interim general counsel. Kevin Bennett has taken a medical and in order to continue the operations of the township, we have to have uh counsel and he is filling that role until we um develop an request for proposal and seek uh law firms to be our official general counsel. It'll be opened up using bidnet and the network of uh the legal profession. So, the first item will be a close session. Um, so, uh, we're going to have somebody, uh, move this, um, and then we'll have a second and then we would go into close session and then we will return and then we will do the consent agenda and proceed with the rest of the uh, agenda uh, including comments and all the other usual things. Mr. Supervisor, I move that we the board of trustees convene in a close session pursuant to Michigan Open Meetings Act MCL15.268 subsection H to discuss a memorandum that is exempt from disclosure as attorney client privileged.

Second. All right, roll call vote. Supervisor Kermy. Yes. Trustee Dor, sorry, Treasure Dora Severs. Yes. Jerry Borber is absent. Trusty Buckley. Yes. Trusty Clinton. Yes. Trusty Gro. Yes. Trusty Stewart. Yes. Pass unanimously. All right. Close session.

Supervisor 7:02 return to close session or open session, excuse me. I move to return to open session. Second. So, roll call on uh Supervisor Kermy. Yes. Treasure Dor Chevitz. Yes. Jerry Borba is absent. Trusty Buckley. Yes. Trusty Clinton. Yes. Trusty Gro. Yes. Trusty Stewart. Yes. All right. Back in open session.

Item E, which is approval of the consent agenda, which has two items or three items that uh uh we have a storm agreement that we'll have to have a resolution on and then the communications. So, uh, any questions on the consent agenda? No. All right. So, uh, we'll because there's a resolution for the storm grain agreement, we'll need to, uh, take a roll call vote. I think that is all we need to do to ensure that it's correct.

May I just make one quick comment? Um, Chief Kylin, I just want to applaud you and thank you for the clarification on the Clemus reports that specify the rescue and EMS runs. And I appreciate all the work that went into that. Okay, ready for the roll call? We need a motion. Okay, can I get a motion to approve approve the consent agender? I move to approve the consent agenda. Second. Second by Dorch Shavitz. Okay. All right. Trusty Stewart. Yes.

Trust and by the way, it was my privilege to spend two hours inside Township Hall yesterday morning uh going over two months worth of bills cuz we haven't had a m a meeting in a month and then I uh briefly spoke with uh Carol Rashan and uh left the building without anybody a call. Excuse me. Thank you. All right. Trust Trusty Growth. Yes. Trustee Clinton, yes. Trusty Buckley, yes. Jerry Borv, absent. Treasurer Dor Chevitz, yes. Supervisor Kermy, yes. Consent agenda is passed.

All right. Now, we're going to move to public comment, but um on non-aggenda items, so you will also be able to speak on the agenda item. And I'm sure most people want to speak about three and four. Um but we can take comments now from anybody that has Yeah, come on up. Yeah, you come up there and speak into the microphone. Just tell us who you are and be clear, conscise and truthful. No ad homon.

Nobody knows what that Latin term where it means. So we just call that civil. All right. Good evening. Uh my name is Jeff Doway. I live at uh on Beacon Hill Court. I'm here to speak about the uh pitbull attack, the Cane Corsal pitbull attack that took place about 3 weeks ago is about three blocks from my house. I understand that the man that was attacked, the jogger at 6:30 in the morning on a Saturday has recently lost his arm and so yeah, it's a gasp, right? So I've got kids sure that that's true. That's what I've heard through through the great but is in intensive care. Maybe a rumor.

Okay, so So, here's what I'd like to to ask the board. I I would like a ban on pit bulls and other vicious dogs. There's been 464 people killed in America over the last 5 years by dog attacks. About 78% of those are related to pit bulls. There's over a million attacks a year from pit bulls. Um, the funny part is the dog owners would say, "Well, that these are nice dogs." But 48% of those are unprovoked and 53% of the attacks happen against family members. Pit bulls have about a third of the people attacked have surgery, which is about five times higher than any other breed that of of a dog attack that gets if somebody that's attacked by a different breed. which was five times higher if you get attacked by a pitull that you'll likely have a serious injury, surgery, etc. There's 11 cities in Michigan that currently ban pit bulls. There's another 19 that have um high restrictions on vicious dogs. So, I don't I don't know what it takes to get a ban in place, but I would like to know what it is. If we have to go out and get signatures, a thousand signatures, whatever it is, I would like to know because I've got kids that I walk the neighborhood. I walk by this house every day. I didn't know that they had pit bulls. We don't have fences in Plymouth. This house did, but somehow they still got they still got out. So, I don't know what it takes, but I've got a daughter that rides her bike through the neighborhood all the time. I walk every day through that neighborhood, and I don't know where pit bulls are. If you're a pedophile, you have to register and people have to know that you're a pedophile where you live. But I don't know what type of thing we have for, hey, if I have a vicious dog at my house, how do I know? So, I feel right now it's when we we just go about our

day and if I to go for a walk, do we take a weapon? So, that that's unrealistic. It's it's it's not reasonable. I get that. But my my point is these dogs are vicious. They kill. They have done it in the past. There's a history of this and we don't need them in a residential neighborhood. I'm not against dogs, but I'm against these dogs. So, I'd like to know what does it take to get a ban on pit bulls. And we could start there, but there's probably another two or three breeds, Rottweilers, the cane corso. Those are what I was told was those are drug dealer dogs. And so it fits because that house I always smell dope coming out of the house when I walk by it.

So I'll answer your question about what it takes is the township board would have to vote to create an ordinance to ban. Um there is a strong resistance to do that because I think you pointed out where do you stop banning what breed? We can figure that out and then how do you enforce it? Well, we don't have that's not the job of policemen to be enforcing that kind of an ordinance.

How hard was it to c Well, hold on. Those dogs were the one dog the the one out of the three was out and about for 3 days. So, I was calling his office every day. Did you catch them? What's the location? Did you It was Saturday morning 6:30 till Tuesday midday. So I felt like I was in lockdown and I couldn't go out because they they went from Hagerty from from my house around between um Sheldon and Beck. They went down to Hagerty. They went downtown and I think they were caught. I'm not sure where they

we will contemplate it. We contemplated it 20 years ago and at that time the direction from council and the consensus was it was too difficult to enforce. Also, what do you do about the people that have the dogs already? Take him away. No, you're not gonna be able You're not gonna be able to do that. Go ask the guy. Go ask the guy that got that that got attacked. Ask him how he would feel. You'd say, "Take him away." Yeah. But you you don't ban cars because people get in crashes. So it's You got to kind of So you don't ban dogs because they bite people either, right? Yeah, you do. These dogs kill. All right. These dogs kill. Okay. We have a question here from the uh

I would I would like to add relevance to your comment and chief um doing the bills yesterday morning. I came across and I was hoping the media would cover it. Some did, but I came across hundreds of dollars and thousands of dollars of bills to the taxpayers of Plymouth Township to desanitize the blood that was all over the car, the vehicle, and the police officer who apprehended the third dog. I want to thank as someone who got who went through a dog bite as a a youth in middle school. I I I just want to thank whoever apprehended that third dog and we paid hundreds of dollars if not over $1,000. Chief, would you like to edify?

Well, I'll tell you, John, that we are tracking every expense was related to this incident. So, uh, as the case progresses, I said we are tracking every expense related to this incident. As as this case, uh, progresses, certainly we would look for restitution. Restitution. Mhm. Yeah. I was surprised. But we paid the bills up front. Correct. Cuz it was necessary. Absolutely. Who was the officer? You want to give credit? There was a team. Team was multiple officers. Yeah. And multiple including the city of Plymouth. Yes. Okay.

All right. We heard you and we are uh contemplating, but we're not committing to any action to make an ordinance at this time. Thank you for coming to address us.

Thank you though. We're glad you came. Good evening, members of the board. Howard Hamri here, 10306 Normandy Drive. Uh, this uh comment is directed to our treasurer. Um, I heard and I've received a number of concerns and complaints for p people who are receiving a bill that $75 assessment for the sidewalk survey. Now, I was at the board meeting. I am not in any way chastising anyone here. We were trying to recoup the cost of that survey and the delineation of where the sidewalks were. All I would like to suggest is that you, the treasurer, get this back out again to people so they can stop complaining about paying $75 in addition to the cost that they incurred to replace those sidewalks. It just seems there's a lot of misinformation floating around and there's really I mean, if they didn't attend the meeting, they wouldn't know and if they didn't view the video, they wouldn't know. But the the information was set out and if they threw it out or what they did with it, I don't know. I'm just saying maybe it's time a little blast go out on the township uh communications and say folks, we're just trying to remind you that this was part of something feedback. Uh the um it's not the people that got sidewalks replaced didn't get bills. What happened was that this board passed uh uh a resolution that said when we do the sidewalk survey, we have to pay the engineering firm uh to you know assess

the sidewalks uh go out for bid uh send do all the work and the engineering costs get baked into that total project cost. And so if somebody opts out, that cost would be borne by the township. So what we didn't do a good job doing was explaining in the letter because it was late in the first page. But the only people that got bills were those that opted out and either hired their own contractor, did the work themselves. if they got uh if they got a bill from the township for the sidewalk replacement, that was already baked into the cost because we don't we're not trying to make a profit on it. We're just trying to cover our costs. So So th those people that got sidewalks replaced by the township, the price that they paid included a small amount for the overhead. Uh and that's why they went out. And ne this year we're going to do a better job of explaining that. and it's down at the bottom of page one and I could understand people didn't read it or they didn't understand it. Um, so thank you for that feedback.

Yes. Uh, Tre, Treasurer Dor Chevitz, is it true to say that the people that are incurring this cost are people that in general have come as a subdivision to request that the township look into the replacement of the sidewalks or is it something that is done by ordinance or how is that chosen? We we split the township up into five zones and we started zone one east to west.

First, east side. We went east to west and we were in zone five right now. So the only question we And when you get a sidewalk replaced, it's a good deal because you're getting a ball rate and um uh and you uh you can pay it off over five years with no interest. Now that we've done all five zones, we don't know if we're going to continue to do a no interest thing over. But you but I don't I have uh sidewalks that I'm liable for this year. It was my turn and I wouldn't even think of going and hiring somebody else and using the township's contractor and paying it off over 5 years. So,

thank you.

All right. So, we're going to tighten up that process so people understand the $77 is administrative and engineering fees for those who decide to not use the township contractor. And the reason sidewalks are being repaired is the Supreme Court says it's the responsibility of the Plymouth Township. If a trip and fall accident happens, we are one of the defendants in the case. In fact, usually the only one. And you you probably see the ads for trip and fall cases on TV and on the billboards. And it's a change from 30 plus years ago when it used to be called open and obvious. And the assumption then was that a reasonable person would see that crack and not trip over it. And if they did, it was their own fault. That was turned over two and a half years ago by a new Supreme Court. So it tells you when you vote for the Supreme Court, there are consequences uh in your neighborhood. It's not just somebody who's far away in Lancing who wears a robe. They can affect your life.

They do wear robes. So, all right. Anyone else with non-aggenda items?

No. All right. So, we'll go to new business now. And the first one is relatively routine and let me turn to it. It is a um organization that's nonprofit, a charity wants to have uh a lottery or bingo. Let me see what where you find it. Um the group is called Accelerating Hope and they will fill out the miss it's a Michigan lottery form. Um and they will um then receive approval from the Michigan Gaming Commission and and there's a charitable gaming division uh division as part of that and we only have to acknowledge that they are a charitable organization that is recognized. And so that's the purpose of this is to get them to the next step so they can be approved by the state of Michigan to carry on this fundraiser which has an element of gambling or chance. Any questions? Otherwise, we'll need a motion.

Mr. Supervisor, I move to approve resolution 2026-04-21-28 approving the local governing body, resolution for charitable gaming. I I was reading off of your screen, Bob. I'm sorry. Um, licenses for Accelerating Hope. Yes. Second. All right. All right. Roll call. Uh, Clerk Rover absent. Supervisor Kermy. Yes. Trusty Clinton, yes. Trusty Gro, yes. Treasurer Dor Chevus, yes. Trusty Stewart, yes. Trusty Buckley, yes.

Motion passes. Item two is as part of the state law uh we have to uh authorize the distribution of the master plan which is a guideline for future zoning and land use in Plymouth Township. It's been worked on for nearly a year. It's something that normally would be done every five years and we haven't done one since 2015. And we will be asking the board to uh uh distribute this online. By the way, it's online and there's a hard copy in the clerk's office. It's pretty big. Um for the 63-day public comment period. And then from now, uh, Liz Hart, our, uh, township planner, who's a a consultant for McKenna and Associates in Northville, Michigan, will give us the details, uh, of how the process works and the timing plan.

Thank you, Supervisor Kermy. Good evening, trustees. Liz Hart with McKenna. So tonight before you as supervisor Kermy said is the ma the draft master plan the 2026 plan the planning commission's been working on it since 2005 has held many study sessions and public engagement throughout the process um and as required tonight you are approving pretty much for this to be distributed for public comment for 63 days. This is to receive public comment from the township citizens. After this, um, all comments will be taken in by staff, reviewed, uh, and presented to the planning commission, which they will, uh, discuss and determine pretty much essentially which comments they want to have addressed in the master plan, which ones they don't. From there, they'll hold a public hearing and then recommend then at another meeting, recommend approval or denial of the master plan to you. and then you guys will uh approve or deny the master plan in a final step. Um I believe our timeline is June right now. I would have to look it up. I apologize

for the 63 days but then probably July for township board approval. Yes.

So I urge you to look at it. There's a lot of data in here. Uh remember it doesn't mean that uh what is in here will happen. It's a guideline a road map. Um there is a lot of pressure to uh include accessory dwelling units which would be in your backyard or missing middle housing which is a duplex in your um neighborhood next door. Um, the state of Michigan is considering five to nine bills, I think, that will essentially vacate the zoning ordinances at the local level and force uh new uh zoning requirements that will substantially increase density and local choice or local control. Uh if you are opposed to that, I strongly urge you to contact your state representatives. One is Jason Morgan who is the east western half of Plymouth Township and the other is um Matt Kolazar who is the eastern portion and then any one else you know um to voice your opinion. If you support him, tell them that. If you don't support it, make sure you tell them that also. Sheldon's the dividing line, right?

I think it's farther west. I'm not certain. I think it's Beck. Yeah. Uh and today was the filing day for um people to be on the ballot. So, I'm sure they've waited maybe until after the filing date to take action on this so that it wouldn't attract a lot of potential competition as a result of their position on these five to nine bills that are being considered. Yes.

Um, Mr. Supervisor, I would like to acknowledge I am new to the planning commission, so I take no credit for this master plan, but it a tremendous amount of hard work, hours, and effort have gone into putting it together. And we have our chairperson of the planning commission, uh, Mr. Sabolski in the back here. Um, our secretary, Mr. Boyd, um, uh, one of our planning commissioners, Mr. IS treasurer Doris Chevitz was involved for a long time with the planning commission and putting this plan together as well as our former planning commissioner Mr. Ladawick. I just want and I hope I didn't miss anyone if I did. Oh, I'm sorry Mr. Callahan. I apologize and I missed Mr. Callahan but I just

Boyd is back there. I did mention you did. But I I just want to acknowledge that I am very cognizant of all the effort and time that was put into it and I think that it's pretty impressive and we look forward to hearing your comments and concerns relative to as you view the master plan.

So these people have essentially volunteered hundreds of hours at essentially no pay. And so when you hear people say, "I don't have time to do something." You need to follow the leadership that these people have expended of giving up their personal time to ensure that Plymouth Township remains the high quality of life place that it has a reputation for. So they definitely do way above what is normally required in order to achieve a master plan that's usable. And I apologize for not mentioning you planner Hart and McKenna and associates because there are several of you who are working on that and you get to go to the meetings and hear our comments then you get to go back and change them only to come to the next meeting and hear we don't want this and we don't want this and we want that. So I appreciate all of the effort that everyone put into the uh development and distribution of the master plan. So we need a motion. Well, first of all, is there any discussion? Any comments from the audience? And then we will take discussion from the board.

Okay, Mr. Supervisor. Well, hold on. Anybody from the board with any comments or any other questions? Okay, go ahead. Move to authorize the 63-day distribution and public comment period for the draft master plan as recommended by the planning commission. Second. Roll call. Okay. Clerk Bora absent. Trusty Buckley. Yes. Supervisor Kermy. Yes. Trusty Clinton. Yes. Treasurer Dora Chevitz. Yes. Trustee Growth. Yes. Trusty Stewart. Yes. So Vorva is excused. Not necessarily absent. Well, he's absent and excused. Excused.

All right. Now, what you all come here to, I'm sure, um, be part of item three, uh, is a discussion and possible, and I stress possible, selection of a new township clerk. The clerk has a key job that many people don't know. Of course, we know it's elections, but they also have the job of a financial and accounting side where they approve the payroll and approve uh expenditures to vendors. Um in the absence of the clerk, the deputy clerk does that. So, uh, we've, uh, been fortunate enough that, uh, Paula Jefferson has been gracious to stay on, um, and Jerry Borva is still on the payroll. So, we've done that to preserve the operations of the township and not shut it down. There's not an easy way. I know a lot of people say, "Well, you just hire someone to do that." It's with the state law, it's cumbersome. it isn't as easy as it sounds. So, that's why we're doing uh the situation with keeping the deputy on. Um, under Michigan law, the clerk and deputy clerk are indispensable. So, uh, tonight we're going to hear what people have to say. We're going to hear what the board says, of course, and we may or may not select somebody. Uh, if we don't select somebody, then we go to the next step. Uh, this has happened before. We've used the same process. Two of the people here were affected by it. Mark Clinton and treasurer Dvitz uh became treasurer using a nearly identical process. Uh so this is not some engineered crazy idea. So what is your pleasure board? We want

to hear from them first or you guys want to say something first? All right. We'll hear from anyone who has anything to say or anyone from the audience that comes forward that maybe you want to be considered. Say it. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has worked in the Plymouth Township Clerk's Office. Like, well, don't put anybody on the spot. My seven decade friend Deb Douly. Wow, you guys are right. But she is not uh someone who wants to be a public speaker. Okay. Sandi is

my my friend Subandi from Lake Point is approaching them. But I would I would appreciate if you would not be so humble and would recite your corporate work experience. John, just what? All that all that I've done. Well, 40 years. Oh, yes. Well, I've done 40 years of be as clear and concise as possible so that we don't use up the entire night uh with three minutes. Go ahead.

Okay. I've been a teacher for probably 20 years, but I also did a lot of corporate training for Viston, Ford, um can't remember the why can't I remember down in Monroe. Um, I've worked for GM Huelet Packard. So, I was global uh communications manager for a Huelet Packard and GM project. Um, I've worked in the the um clerk's office during elections primarily. I've worked under Jerry Vorva as clerk and Sandy as deputy.

Talk to us. And I would have to say that initially Jerry couldn't have done the job if he didn't have Sandy. Okay? Sandy knew the job, did the job well, and she was a stickler for doing things legally. And I do mean legally. I can't say when um she was, you know, when they found a way to dismiss her because um and so on. And at that time I personally believed that um the ultimate responsibility for that was in Jerry Vorvvis's hands. But unfortunately, she took the the brunt. But after she left, I served in another election where Jerry was still the supervisor and Paula was the deputy. I can tell you that that election was not run with the integrity that it had been previously. Um I I I can personally say that you know um basically um re average citizens were allowed to run operations that I don't believe they should have run. Okay, I won't go into any further details, but do I believe that Sandy could do that job? I think she could step into it tomorrow and do the job. Okay. Um, so that's that's my personal experience having worked in the office. Thank you.

Next, my name is Dale Burnernhard. Hello, board. Hello. I want to make sure I get this right. Are there multiple trustees that are running for this clerk position? According to the newspaper, there is. There is just hometown life published that. Okay.

Every one of you on this board was elected by who? The residents of this township. And what did we entrust you to do? The best job possible. And that also means putting the most qualified servants in open positions. All of you need to take a deep look at yourself and ask if you are doing that. And if you desire a position that you are not qualified for, when there is someone else that is much more qualified, we expect you to honor the commitment you made to the residents to also get positions filled with the best. This should not be about satis satisfying the desires of a past fired supervisor. It is about fulfilling your duty to the residents with the highest degree of integrity and prayerful thought. So board, how do you want to be remembered? A board who did the right thing for the residents or a board who acted on motives not consistent with their oath of office. Board, we implore you to do the right thing tonight and every night. here.

Thank you.

I'll just put a check mark next to my name. Howard Hammer. in I think the topic it was elucidated by this young lady here of fair competently managed elections is a paramount issue in this country right now if you look at the polls therefore any discrepancies in election become a alienation of the electorate so in the next 6 months whoever replaces the clerk clerk will have two elections to end up supervising. This time frame doesn't allow for a lot of on the job training. Some things have been done. I quote from the township's website. what the clerk's statement was. One of the visible responsibilities of the township clerk is election administration, which includes everything from registering voters to managing each and every election. Less visible to residents is the clerk's responsibility for managing the financial operations which were alluded to of the township including the general budget, the general ledger, preparing detailed accounting records, utilizing state prescribed uniform chart of accounts and handling all the records including meeting minutes, ordinances, contracts, and all other official documents. In addition to the above statutory duties, the township clerk office handles all freedom of information requests and is a certified passport facility. It would seem that these responsibilities would preclude an effective on the job training.

When lowinformation voters elect a person who lacks skills for position, the voters are responsible for their action and the option they have is to have informed electors mount of recall. When informed board members elect a person who lacks skills for a position, the only option is for informed electors to mount a recall for that person and the imprudent board members who voted for that person. The prudent person rule states, "A prudent person has the ability to govern and discipline oneself by the use of reason to plan ahead for dis with using discernment and the ability to prepare. A prudent person wouldn't jump in front of a moving train or run with eyes closed across a busy street. I recommend you exercise prudence as board members and act in the best interests of this community. Thank you for your attention. I'll try to make it legible, but I don't promise anything. Hi, Jessica Debcowski. I live in Green Meadows. Longtime listener, first time caller. I wanted to take this opportunity to thank the board um for the trustees that took the time to meet with me over the course of the last week when I expressed my interest in the open clerk position. I understand that the board feels this

is not my time and I hope to continue to build my resume in a way that will support my greater involvement in the future. Please let me know if there are other ways I can be of service to the township. Thank you. Thank you. So, she's current she's currently serving as our representative on the Michigan International Technology Center, which is a joint venture between Northville Township and Plymouth Township. Go ahead. I have not met you, but we an email.

We emailed back and forth. And I must admit, in spite of my friend Patty Posios with her Michigan shirt on, I I I have a strong favoritism for Albian undergrads and Notre Dame Law School graduates. Uh your your resume is uh very impressive and but most importantly, thank you for your service to the people of Plymouth Township and your willingness to step forward. I don't know if this is exactly the position for you, but you're a shining star. Hello. He's happy now. Anybody else?

Okay. Richard Beers, uh, 9651 Fellows Hill Court. Uh, how many people have applied for the clerk's position besides the two trustees? We have not had a a formal application process. Okay. So, my recommendation is interview as many people as you can for the job. Obviously, you have a candidate that has some experience in the job previous. Another one has expressed interest on the board. I would highly encourage encourage people from outside the board to apply for the job if you're interested. Um hopefully the lady gets some votes here. Um the other question I have for the board, for the two that are applying for the job, are you going to excuse yourself for votes because of a conflict of interest or are you going to vote for yourself or vote against it yourself?

You have the right to vote for yourself. Yeah, they can themselves. All right. Um, I just was wondering another thing why it took so long for you guys to do this. I would have hoped that you would had the vote already. Uh, you've known for a while that clerk has resigned. So, I was hoping in the future if that happens again that you guys would move a little more quickly and get a replacement since the elections are coming. So, that's the only thing I'm really saying right now. Just in the future, try to be a little more proactive and move quicker if you can. I know it was a shock to the system. be resigned and wish him the best. But that's all I have to say for now. Thank you. Thank you.

Mary Tavverzi, uh 46649 Arboritum Circle. Uh, a year and a half ago, the majority of you ran for office on a platform promoting more transparency, more public input, fiscal responsibility, and an end to autocratic one-man rule. We stand here now with minimal transparency, limited opportunity for public input before decisions are already made, frequent instances of failure to adhere to township purchasing, procurement, and vendor contract policies, board meetings which are canceled at critical points when public input is cru crucial and critical, particularly again before decisions are made. Key committees such as the election committee made up of some of you elected officials met for only seven minutes to approve a major overall of voter precincts and polling places. When the voters went to the polls to vote for all of your township positions, it was reasonable to expect that anyone unable or unwilling to complete their term would trigger the opportunity for the citizens to vote again to select their preferred replacement. That's what we do in a representative democracy. The slow walking of this for over two months has now prevented that opportunity for the citizens of Plymouth Township. It is sad that the intelligence of the township voters is being denigrated by this board. To ask citizens to believe that there have been no behind closed doors discussions and planning among all of you before tonight is not only a sad commentary on your perception of the intelligence of the citizens of this township. It is also the total and complete opposite of the transparency and end to oneman rule that you promised the voters less than 18 months ago. Beginning this evening and going forward, we the citizens deserve and are expecting to see more open and robust dialogue with public increased

transparency, introduction of creative and more collaborative solutions to problems, and responsible stewardship. Thank you. I always screw this up, don't I? Okay. Bill Pine, uh, the last administration set the precedent of delayed appointments when Mark Clinton was forced to resign as treasurer for a stroke. The supervisor delayed replacement for 6 months to avoid an election. Bob Doris Chevitz became treasur. Jen Buckley became trustee. Chuck Kermy has followed that precedent by delaying only one month when Jerry Vorva chose to resign for health reasons that predated his ever running, seeking the most qualified, experienced person to be clerk. This avoids the expense of a special election. So, an experienced clerk with core competencies in elections, budgeting, and finance can take over. Sandy Growth and now Jen Buckley have expressed interest. So, let's compare performance as a trustee. Jen, over the past four or so years, you've been the least knowledgeable, least experienced trustee. Sandy is the most competent, qualified, knowledgeable trustee, making the most positive impact for the residents by reading the board packet to prepare documents and goals. Job experience? Do you know how the clerk's office works? Jen? No. Sandy? Yes. Have you ever worked in a clerk's office? Jen, no. Sandy, yes. Have you ever run a clerk's office? Jen, no. Sandy, yes. Have you ever run an election? Jen, no. Sandy, yes. Do you have the skill to run two elections in 2026? Jen, no. Sandy, yes. Are you

certified to be a clerk to run an election? Jen, no. Sandy, yes. Do you know the current status of the township clerk's office and the qualifications of its personnel? Jen, no. Sandy, yes. Do you know the current problems in the clerk's office? Jen, no. Sandy, yes. Do you have experience in township budgeting and finance? Jen, no. Sandy, yes. Do you have the integrity to stand up to abusive politicians, even at personal risk to yourself? Jen appears to be carrying the water for folks like that now. So, probably no. Sandy has already done that. So yes, she has grit, exceptional integrity, and has proven her ability to stand up those to those above her, some of the folks who orch orchestrating what's going on right now and who have not properly served the residents. Successful delegation depends on a leader with enough knowledge to build a framework for their subordinates to follow and having subordinates who are knowledgeable enough to carry out the task they have been that have been delegated to them. Sandy as a knowledgeable subordinate actually did that for years for Jerry Vorvo when he was when he was ill. In fact, she built the framework to accomplish the needed work. Jen doesn't know enough to establish that framework to be able to lead. It is irresponsible to talk of delegation, leadership, calling, and duty with no qualification or background experience. The results could be disastrous for the township. Also, a successful leader must be willing and able to put in the 8 to 10 and an election time 16-hour work days every day uh to prop properly fulfill their duties. is clerk. Finally, a number of former uh clerk employees are requesting to come back and work for Sandy because she is a leader with a positive work environment. This is not being considered by three of the board members. I'm almost done. Mark, Jen, and Bob, based on what happened years ago, stop being hypocrites. He lost. Stop

enabling him. You're tarnishing your reputations. Plymouth Township deserves better. A sensible compromise if you really want to do this, Jen, would be to have Sandy step in as interim clerk, mentor you so you can learn some stuff, and then let the voters decide in 2028. Thank you. Thank you.

Anyone else? No. All right. Speak again. Pardon? Chuck, pardon. Can I add a couple comments? No. Just just very quick. No, just Well, there's no one else that wants to talk, so you can go one more time, but not for three minutes. No, I don't. I don't have three minutes. I want everyone to consider the importance. If we didn't have two solid elections, you

got to talk to us cuz we're going to make the decision. Okay, I'll get if we didn't have two very important elections happening this year. I could see going through the effort of running a special election and voting. I get that. But I'm telling you, we need somebody that is extremely qualified. I only know of two people that would be qualified to step into this position. Sandy is number one definitely because she has run it more recently. She knows the problems of the office and it's a very it's a very complex if you've never worked an election. It's a very complex situation. I'll tell you one thing. My son-in-law was head of operations manager at Plymouth Canton. And one of the things that he complained about Jerry about every year there was election was the lack of communication, he would last minute call up and say, "Oh, we need room this and this and we need so many chairs and so forth." And they didn't even know there was an election running at one one time. So, I'm just telling you that you have to consider the importance of these elections and that we need somebody qualified who can step in. Now,

we have some other PE. Well, okay. I guess we got some other people. Hi. Speak into you. Put that mic down. There we go.

Okay. I wanted to say that one day I came into township hall to talk to Sandy and she convinced me to fill out a form to count ballots at election time and I did I believe it was three elections with you Sandy. I'm not sure. But she is the most organized, efficient person I have ever worked with. And she taught me a whole lot about elections because she knows a whole lot. So if somebody is going to be voted in tonight that knows nothing about elections, that's just the wrong move by our board. And the board is here to represent the citizens, not a former supervisor. We need to do the right thing here. And can I mention something about a previous thing? The sidewalk program. I didn't have my sidewalk fixed, but I got a bill in the mail last week for $77. So I called Bob's office on Thursday. The girl told me he was busy so he would call me back Friday. I got no call on Friday so I sent him an email.

We sent you a correct email. I got no response back from email. We sent you a correct email. So I sent another email. That's not true. Don't Don't ever diminish my employees. I do not have a response from your email. That's not true. Anyway, yes, I haven't gotten there was something on next door tonight before I came to this meeting. And there was a postcard there because she's lying about my employees. Bob, just just wait. Just wait, Bob. Okay, finish what you're saying. Okay. So there was this postcard and the lady had her sidewalk fixed in 24 and I believe it came from is it ddecker that was doing

smolding deck or s anyway they said if you did it yourself that you wouldn't even need a permit didn't say anything about a fee in there and as far as that fee goes I pay taxes you all pay taxes and our taxes go for the wages for those inspectors So, shouldn't that cover the fee of them looking at the sidewalk? No. And the reason why is it's called a special assessment district. Sidewalks are a completely separate entity. We don't put tax money towards the repair of sidewalks. No, not repairs for them to inspect it after.

That's part of the package. It's a It's a project that spiral getting a thing that's saying if I use my own company, I have to pay a fee. That's because there's administration overhead and otherwise. Did it come in the mail to all residents? Pardon? Did it come in the mail to all residents?

Only residents received the letter who had sidewalks that were considered for repair. Not 100%. only residents addresses that indicated the sidewalks needed repair. So that's where the $77 came from. Prior to that, the township was absorbing some trailwood is the one that kicked it off. There was a person in this room was really smart, got all their neighbors together, and it caused us to absorb about $35,000 uh that we can't continue to do. So we that's why we put that fee in there.

Okay. And I didn't get an answer back from Bob. It might have come in the US mail. Okay. Did it come in the was sent by US mail, Bob? Yeah. And it says zero on it. Yeah. So, the new invoice is zero. So what happened is most likely Spalding Decker made an error and showed that you had repairs done and so there was a correction. Okay, we are working to streamline the process. So this is only the second year we've used the fee.

Okay. Well, I'm just one one final thing. I hope the board does the right thing tonight. Thank you. Hi, my name is Stacy Roine. I live in Plymouth Township in the Twin Arbors sub on the east side. Um, I have some prepared comments. However, it's unsure to me if we're going to have a vote or decision tonight or not. So, my comments may or may not be uh fully applicable.

Say them anyway.

I will do my best. They're all jumbled at this point because of of uh not knowing that. Um, I have an extensive background in corporate human resources for 33 years with Mazda and Ford Motor Company. And in part of that time, I spent time in US recruiting. So, I have background in recruiting. Regarding politics, each of the candidates that we're talking about tonight that I know of is Miss Buckley and Miss Growth. Each of these candidates already has a position on the board of trustees and will continue in their roles. So, at the end of the evening, if we do happen to make a decision, there is no gain or loss to the township or their constituents in that regard. So, I hope our trustees can focus on the decision today and that is about who is best qualified for the role and to step into the clerk position for our township. With a primary election coming up in roughly 3 months and a general election in roughly six months, the board has a responsibility to the township to choose a candidate who has the best experience and credentials to meet the legal requirements and the scrutiny that faces every election in any location. So with my full respect given to the candidates and thank you for putting your names forward honestly my commentary is to specifically in regards to the roles and responsibilities and qualifications for the position of township clerk. That is what you do when you recruit a candidate for a position. That's what you look at. So I we need a candidate who can or a person who can execute all the legal requirements for the township and face any scrutiny or audit audits that may arise. Hopefully, we don't have any. Respectfully, we have a qualified candidate on hand who is ready to serve. I believe it's a responsible decision for the township if a decision is to be made between these two candidates to

select Miss Gro Miss Growth based on her experience. Meanwhile, with regard to politics and the future, each can continue their role in the bo board of trustees. It's very important to the community. We have respect for all of you here. Um, but you can choose to uh run for the position as a township clerk at the next election. I know a lot there's a lot of water under the bridge to get get us to where we are today. A lot of bad feelings on how this happened when when things are happening and I'm sorry for all that. But at the end of the day, we have a decision to fill the job with a candidate who can step in and do the job to the best of the ability for our township today. Thank you for your time.

So, I'll just make a few. Well, what? Let's finish with them and then you anyone else? All right. So, we're done with comments from the audience. Now, the township board can deliberate and it'll be a little different than what you're used to with. It'll be more of a free form discussion I assume so that we can get out uh what we want to say and get to the right decision. Remember if we don't have a decision today then we'll have to do another process and we can we'll discuss that afterwards. So who want you want to go first?

Yeah. I'd just like to make a few comments that I have heard some of the citizens speak and I Sorry, I have heard the concerns that are being brought uh forth today. That's no surprise. Of course, um I expected to hear that. Um one of the biggest um things that I would like to contribute or to advocate for myself here in in this particular um position that I find myself in, which is putting myself out there um for this role. And that's just the rapport um and the special connection that I already have with the uh the clerk's staff right now. Um I am very uh honored that they would uh even look to me um to step into the role. Um, and I know while some of you are are giggling and everything like that, um, I have worked with these ladies and and I feel that is rather offensive. Um, these are good and dedicated staff members. Um, our deputy chief here, Paula, has worked several elections. Um, and you must know that the clerk and the deputy chief go hand in hand. Okay? Um, and they work together. So, the clerk, should that be me tonight, who steps into that role, I'm not alone. I'm I'm not out there just trying to wing it and figure it out. Okay? I have someone that will be walking with me. I I would have a dedicated staff for all the functions, roles, and responsibilities that everyone is referring to tonight. I absolutely take that seriously. Um, and I just want you to be assured, okay, of that. Now, if Sandy were to be chosen tonight, my understanding is most

of the staff would resign and a new deputy clerk would have to Oh, hold on. No, don't don't make comments.

You already laughed at them, so I don't know what the grumbles are about. Um, but then she'd have to appoint a a deputy clerk to go with her who would be also inexperienced. So, it's kind of like a a switch here. Okay. So, um yeah. So, I'm just giving you um I'm just giving you the scenario, the situations, the feel for the situation. Um, and I can also tell you that um, as a veteran um, I have quiet very disrespectful honestly. Really? I'll just leave it there. Oh, finish your comment.

No. Oh, so I had uh to address one of the questions. Um, I had written a guest editorial. I think it was when Price was elected supervisor. Get closer.

Arguing that uh the first choice should be somebody that is on currently on the board and then if we can't fill it then to go out to the public because I believe that uh while they weren't elected into that position, they were elected. Um so uh I stand behind that. I don't want to say this is really uncomfortable forum for me to say why I would make the decision I would make because I don't want to disparage people. Um and I have had all the private conversations that I'm having. Uh and that's and and that's where I'll come to my decision from. But I'm not going to publicly run somebody down because they're my colleagues on the board and I like the I like Sandy and I like Jen and I'm going to hope we can continue to work together whoever uh emerges as the as the the candidate.

Um I got a question. the the most important thing is is uh is uh Paula. Paula is the assistant clerk. She's been doing there for six years and she's been doing that flawlessly. Yeah. The most important thing is we need Paula. So my question and I'll start with you Jen. Um, if you would elect and you won, would you keep Paula? 100%. Oh, this is confusing. Sandy, I've already Sandy, if you uh were elected, would you keep Paula?

No, I would not. Okay, I've made my decision. Okay. I come from a Dutch Presbyterian family and we can barbecue or have fried sermon every Sunday. But I don't understand your willingness to impugn the word impugn pug gn assign a false motive to somebody. I don't understand your willingness to do hypotheticals. That's morally, ethically wrong, and intellectually dishonest.

Who are you talking to? Morally. Don't. There you go. You You accuse me of interrupting you when the record reflects you interrupt me more than Are you questioning me? Keep talking. Keep talking. Explain some more. This is what you guys Explain some more. Honestly, John,

25 years ago, I had a unnecessary recount imposed upon my family. I won a state rep race by 81 votes. I came to the Plymouth Township board and Sandy pulled out this ubiquitous white notebook, three- ring binder, and said, "We're going to follow the rules. You can't ask anything more than follow the rules from A to Z." And I and you know this is reprehensible if people don't want to just stick to the do you know that early voting starts in 60 days June 20 the supervisor with with my support and I have no input he has moved the early voting to town Oh, absentees in 60 or 60 over 100 days to August 4

over just over 100 days. What do you mean? I have seen and had to read the vitriol, the venom, you know,

from a couple of you in the Detroit news and in local papers and it's just dis I mean I I Beth and I are not going to be speaking to a couple of people for the rest of our lives. Bottom line, I never saw anything like this in 42 years of law practice. And I took six years off, went to the state legislature because, you know, my fellow reps, Democrats and Republicans, said to me, he votes his district. There's only one consideration we ought to have here tonight. What is in the best interest of the people? And as somebody who's been self-employed for over 40 years in the same office on Main Street in Plymouth, you provide three things. Service, service, and service. I I don't want to talk at these meetings. We have a petulant child and I call him that on on the record for a former supervisor. And now Peter Lucito is going to have to deal with him. I find that delightful. I find that delightful. So, uh, let's talk about who is in our best interest. I had to drive to Lancing 25 years ago. My imagine selling sending your college age daughters to the clerk's offices. They were honors graduates and I know Bob dislikes this because he likes to badmouth my daughters. They're honors graduates of Grand Valley and Western Michigan. And they went to the clerk's offices in Leavonia city of and and township of Plymouth City and Township of North. I drove to Lancing. I had to have Chris Thomas tell me, "John, you're in the clear." And Richard knows what I'm talking about. There's never been a recount in Michigan that has overturned over six or seven votes, but Carl Barry put me through it. And then in 2006,

my wife was unemployed for two years, but for a buling permit. Plymouth Township does not. And that resonated in Lancing. I had to go back to the state legislature for 6 months and go into the caucus room and say, "What's up with your wife using a bulk mailing permit?" I said, "Well, she got permission from the local post office." So, let's go back to the focus here. Who can provide service? Who can provide? Who is going to do what is in the best interest of the people? I, you know, when I die and I turn 77, a week from Friday, law day, May 1, I hope it's, you know, I voted in the best interest of the people. I have no problem believing that Paula and Sandy can't get along or can't work something out that would be compatible. I greatly admired Kevin Bennett for 14 years. We had a very congen extremely positive congenial relationship collegial but he has some serious medical problems that he's facing and that's why he is resigning. So we we don't know. I'm not going to assess that Paul is going to be wedded to the to to the deputy job. That shouldn't be a contingent on who you vote for. But it is. I you know reality what is is. And if you have integrity, then nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, then nothing else matters. So, thank you very much.

I don't know. I I don't know why so many people allow Kurt Heisy to live rentree in your head. I don't I never talk to him. He has nothing to do with any position I take. But so many of the election's over the election and and I support Chuck and I and he knows that because I want him to be successful. Uh because I live in this township too, right, Chuck? Right. Um although on this one, we'll see what happens. Well, but

that means that you know I don't but people just let Heisy live rentree in your heads. Why do you do that? Forget about him. He's gone. It's a good way of putting it.

Okay. Re relevant to that subject. There was a Detroit News photographer here three months ago, a lady. I was the only one, even including the audience and the board of members who introduced myself to them. And then I knew we were going to be set up. Then it was Chad Liveveng. Good. And then it was Francis X. Donn Lee and Bill Iikes has challenged me. He's challenged me to put it on record that Francis X Donnelly told me that Kurt Heisy had provided the information. He wanted to provide the the chaos and he wanted to take me down to get to Kermy because he turned 60. He turned 60 in February and he wants to run for supervisor in 24 months. Francis X Donnelly I got to look at him in the eye face to face. I've invited him to my office and not to stand in front of my desk for 19 minutes and stare at me

with two of my tenants right there observing same. Okay, John.

But but let me let me finish. We we have got to look I mean we get all around the issue and we have good intellects that aren't being used by the Plymouth Rock. Laura Povven's here from O and she gets published in the free press. I mean my wife use your imagination. Everybody knows Beth Stewart. 99.9% of all people like Beth Stewart. And if you can't get along with her, you can't get along with anybody. What do you think she thinks about this whole thing? I'll tell you what she thinks. It's been a feces job on Sandy. Those of you who know I don't like to swear publicly. It's been a feces job on Sandy Growth or a lynching. But just remember, who's going to get us in shape for 60 days from tomorrow for absentee voting, early voting inside this township hall? Who's going to have us in shape? Who is talking with the lady who ran nine clean elections and was torpedoed by a cheap shot because she put something mistakenly on her credit card. Nancy Councilman. Well, I'm telling you something. Sandy Growth has a collegial relationship. God forbid she has a D after her name, but Sandy Growth talks to Nancy Councilman. I think she talk I think she can talk to anybody. I think she and Paula can come to a mutually agreement and it would be by consent. So I I you know, but I can't change anybody's vote. You're you're you're So let's let's

Do you have any idea what a lynching is? No. Bob. Bob, you are not well. Okay. Bob, you are not well. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. These are all unrelated things. All right. Just let's go to the next. Let uh Sandy Growth, your turn. First off, I want to thank

Get close to the mic. First off, I want to thank all of you who came here tonight and spoke on my behalf. Um, the clerk and the treasurer have the legal authority to choose their deputy. It is not anyone else's business or job. I do not tell the treasurer who to employ. No one is going to tell me if I'm the clerk because I'm going to choose the person I believe to be in the best interest of this township. Two years ago at election time, we had citizens who were let me the the nicest way I can say it is that uh the the clerk's office staff was weaponized against the citizens and any citizen who is sitting here who got a ticket for being in a parking lot and maybe violating the 100 ft rule but maybe Not I don't know why anyone here would question why I would not choose deputy clerk not deputy chief Paula Jefferson. Paula Jefferson was hired when I was here. I have no problem personally with Paula Jefferson. I'm glad that Mr. Trustee Clinton thinks

Paula Jefferson is the primary issue here because I think it's all of you and I think elections are about integrity and I think they're about proven experience and I am so disgusted by our former supervisor Kurt Heisy and our former soon to be former clerk Jerry Vorva who have gone out publicly and lied lied about me and attacked me when I did his job the entire time I was here. Why did he hire me? Because I'm experienced and knowledgeable. because I have integrity and because in the end I am here for one reason. You and I am very troubled by the fact that I have fellow board members sitting here tonight who know me and know my background and are saying the entire staff of the clerk's office would leave if I'm selected. See you later, guys. Because you don't belong here if that's the way you do your job. I am I am disgusted that people sitting up here who've known me for a long time, who I helped get elected, have taken a stand against me because they've decided that our our deputy clerk does such a great job that it's more important for her to be here. So, we have a trustee candidate stepping up to be clerk so that our deputy can do her job for the elections because she

doesn't know it. And I have an email between us respectfully where she asked me if I would throw my hat in the ring and I explained my experience and she said that Treasurer Dor Chevitz told her there were only two or three people in the entire township qualified to do the clerk's job. That means hit the ground running and get us through the two elections. I'm not here to be popular. I'm here to represent you, follow the law, show integrity, and if people don't want to work with me, maybe they don't belong here. You know, YOU OKAY. Is there an email from Trustee Buckley saying I would support you?

Yes. Yeah. That's before information was given to me so I could make a better decision on if you're able to get along with our staff. Hours you've changed your mind. Absolutely. What staff? What staff is not able to get along with me? The ones that you came into the office and said you people disgust me. Why do you votes for us talk to people that way? How do you manage the department if you can't get along with them? Excuse me. You have to redo the entire staff with a new clerk. You would be completely solo. You know what? I can do it cuz I know the job. Sandy, can you or can you not get along with people?

Actually, I get along very well with people. And if there is anyone sitting here who's saying otherwise, they've never told me they have a problem with me. And why is it that I have three people that used to work in the clerk's office who have contacted me and said, "If you happen to be appointed clerk, give me a call, name it. I will be there and I will help you." So I won't be alone. I'll have three more people, experienced previous employees with me. You okay, John? You have copies of that email. John, sit down. It's It's irrelevant if I said I would support. I can change my decision just like some board members will change their decision.

You You also said, Trusty Buckley, that you can't You said that you would like to help if I was appointed, but you couldn't do it full-time, but you might be able to do it part-time. So, I question if you're going to be the same kind of clerk as the one we're going to lose who makes $120,000 a year to work part-time.

Unbelievable. Are you ready for John? All right. Yeah, we're ready. John, go John. According to the agenda, it says name or appoint and recommend. You have to move. What? What? I have to make a motion. Okay. All right. Page 115. Move that. May I proceed?

Yes. moved that the board states its intent to appoint Sandy Growth as township clerk with the appointment to take effect upon the board of trustes formal acceptance of the current clerk's resignation ensuring a seamless transition and no gap in the authority second yes of course

you want me to repeat it Okay. All right. I think uh has has has approved this resolution also because there's a motion there's a contingent preceding in here that we have to vacate uh or accept the resignation. Let let me finish. Move that the board states its intent to appoint Sandy Growth as township clerk with the appointment to take effect upon the board of trustees formal acceptance of the clerk's resignation ensuring a seamless transition and a no gap in authority. That was written by a layman and probably approved by a lawyer. Second. Okay. Third.

So call the call the bone. Now you I have just a couple of things to say. We want to maintain operations here. We have to have a clerk and a deputy to do that correctly. We have not only elections, we have financial issues which require payroll and paying vendors. So um I have spoken with MTA. There's not an easy way to do this without having the right people on board. So, we're ready for a roll call. Okay. Roll call. Clerk Rover, excused. Uh, Supervisor Kermit,

do you want to do the the waiver issue? Yeah, we need to put the Yeah, I don't I I'm not going to make an issue of it. Okay, Mr. Supervisor, I have language here. We can add it if you think it would be. We probably should add it. Yeah. But how do we weave that in? Well, it's just part of the motion. It's part of the motion. So, he's got to add it in then. And we got to

here. But all right. What this concerns is uh uh Sy's severance agreement. Um, we're going to add that this resolution rescends and/or waves any contractual provision that may prohibit Sandy Grove from being appointed as township clerk. Second or I accept that. Is that right? Correct. All right. Okay. So, uh, last week Sandy Growth walked around and gave you a piece of paper. I was prohibited from doing that in February of 2025. So, I'm doing it now. And I've never touched anyone without the consent.

D. John. Okay. Well, I got a lot of light and resentment. Yeah, I know. But, this is the place to express it. Punky Con is ready. Do No, stop, John. All right. Okay. We're going to vote. We're voting on whether Sandy Growth should be the consensus appointment for clerk. Okay. All right. Supervisor Kermy, yes. Trusty Clinton, no. Trusty Gro, yes. Treasurer Doris Chevz, no. Trusty Stewart, yes. Okay. And then Trusty Buckley, no. Deadlock.

So, have a deadlock, which means no decision was made. So, I'll move that the board states to intent its intent to support Jennifer Buckley as township clerk with the appointment to take effect upon the board of trustees formal acceptance of the current clerk's resignation ensuring a seamless transition and no gap in authority. Second. Second. Didn't know you're done. Second.

Oh, okay. So when there are no payables and no employee checks or any other checks are signed because upon the acceptance of our resignation of clerk Vorva, Deputy Clerk Jefferson will not be here. So

no, excuse me. We are going to say this because we are responsible adults. We owe it to our community to move forward, stop relying on things that are not true, and accept the fact that we shut it down when we're not cap when we're not if we don't have a clerk. We can't pay bills. We can't keep running the government. And you have six people up here, all of whom are elected, all of whom are entitled to their own opinions. And I don't have a problem with it. I don't respect it. But we are here to do what is best for you and only you.

Okay. There's a motion on the floor to uh consensus appoint Jennifer Buckley to clerk. So, do we have a roll call? Okay. Jerry Borrett excused. Supervisor Kermy. No. Okay. Trustee Clinton. Yes. Trusty Growth. No. Treasurer Doris Evans. Yes. Trusty Stewart. No. Trusty Buckley. Yes. Okay. No decision. Impass.

So, this is one. This is the reason why you don't take the resignation before you have a candidate because tomorrow morning we have $2 million worth of bills to be signed off on by the deputy clerk. She's graciously doing that as an employee and as a continuing deputy. So oper keeping operations uh moving is important. I see some people shaking their head that don't believe that this is the issue. MTA three attorneys have all said this is an issue. Uh because we don't have a clerk that died. Uh if they died, it'd be a different story. So we might be able to arrange that.

So we need to open it up to the public then. Well, we're going to we're going to discuss that. We're going to discuss that. Uh so we won't be going on to the next item which is to discuss a date to uh accept the resignation. We could have a special meeting on May 5th uh to continue the deliberations. Um opening it up to the public is one idea. Let's let me check the calendar. See if May 5th is the date of a Tuesday. We don't want to do it next week if we can avoid it because we don't have time to prepare. So the question is, should we open it up to the public and get more candidates?

So it's May 5th. One, let's do the some of the pros and cons about opening up to the public. Um, if you select somebody who's a total stranger to the job, you do impart a whole lot of risk because they have to run an election. We have we've mitigated their if we'd had done it the way some people want where we would have gone to an election the person would have had to have campaign and spend their own money in two elections and run to elections and they'd never done that before. That's too high risk. I know some people think the job is that simple that you could just drop in or you'd hire somebody to do it or uh

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you yeah whatever. So delegate uh you can I guess so we're in a box and right now there's no quick answer. Uh the other thing that nobody's talked about well a little bit people have alluded to it. Uh Jerry Vorva was a Republican and I want to see a Republican in that office. Um because the voters voted for somebody who's a Republican. I know that Democrats feel they should have a shot at it. Well, you'll get that shot in 2028, but right now I want it to remain Republican. So uh that reduces the pool of people who are available in my mind since I won't agree to someone unless they are a Republican or can show that they have values that are consistent with um small government and uh maybe more strict election uh scrutiny. Do we have that authority though?

No, this is just a want. Oh, sure you have an authority. You don't have to vote for somebody because of their party, but this is a partisan. Many people, you know, the city of Plymouth is nonpartisan, but here by township law, it's partisan. And that's the way the 1963 constitution set it up. But we what I'm saying is we can't bar them from applying.

Oh, absolutely not. No, absolutely not. No, I'm just talking about some of the pros and cons of uh putting it out to the public. Uh we would probably do that uh and have done it uh if a trustee spot opened up, but this one is too complex of a job and elections are looming. It is not we can't have a on the-job learner. Uh so it already for the last months even before the resignation there's been more burden distributed throughout the township because we don't have a clerk here every day. So uh what do you think about having a meeting special meeting on May 5th with one item is to attempt to send select the clerk again. There is also another alternative, but I don't know much about it. We'll have to learn about it. Is the um I don't know if it still applies, but at one time the Republican um sixth congressional district committee um could be involved in making the selection, but I don't know the mechanism.

I think that's if we accept the resignation in for after 45 days. Uh You mean if we go beyond 45 days, we'll have to check into that. We'll have to lawyer that a little bit. Uh because amazingly, a lot of this stuff is not black and white. Uh there are people that have differing opinions who are attorneys andor MTA, Michigan Townships Association. And beyond 40 days, a county

45 days, the county would get involved if we can't find somebody. Well, what maybe maybe Paula maybe the deputy clerk Paula and I mean delicate compromise and consensus maybe Sandy Growth and Paula can come back to us with a recommendation the 1 of May and maybe we ought to follow it. Yeah, we can. You know that is Mark Clinton's biggest objection is the loss of uh Paula Jefferson, right? Paula has been the one running the elections for the last what eight years. I mean the last time Sandy ran an election was over eight years ago and the laws have changed.

I are you suggesting I don't know the laws the changes? I don't know what you know and what you don't know but Paula's been successfully running the elections for eight years. That's why we want to keep her on. Paula does not even live here Bob. So why is that more important than putting someone in who's a res? We've seen eight years. I've witnessed eight years of successful election. You guys were touting experience and she's we've had eight or nine years of high and you prohibited me. We're going from distributing this. So I'm going to give it to you right now. John John, just stay over there.

John, stay over there. Don't create another incident that I have to deal with. This is part of the toxic culture. Just so you know, it's a battery. Yeah, you're you're fueling. I was prohibiting handing this up. Why are you attacking Mark? He's just sitting here being nice and quiet. He committed a battery on me. John, you confine. John, please make a motion that we adjourn the meeting. Well, okay. So May 5th is going to be the uh No, I'm not adjourning the meeting because I don't know what's going to change yet, but we're going to see if we can Why did you elect him? I just want to know. I'm absolutely sick and tired of this show.

Okay. All right. So, comments before we adjourn. Do we have any? Otherwise, I have a few. I want to thank the Plymouth Library. No, sit down, John. Stop creating problems. You have a couple residents. Well, no. If you'd get control of the meeting, you wouldn't create problems. Stop. Stop. Stop. Please. All right. What What about uh Hold on. We don't know what he's talking about. Um All right. What you want to say something? Go ahead.

So, what about uh if we open it up to the public? We'd still have these two candidates. What we could do is we could announce it tomorrow morning, get it out on all the channels, all the get it out in the community. It'll get out there on by the end of the day tomorrow. We can give them 12 days, which would include two weekends. So, all the applications would be due back a week from Sunday, say at 3:00. And then if we had more than four, we could we could uh have a special meeting on Monday and short list them to four and then have a second special meeting that first week of May and give each candidate 30 minutes and and then have a we can develop a system for a point system or something that we can choose a candidate from.

All right. We'll we could we'll discuss some process but your dates I don't understand what you uh next week is the 28th. Don't want that because we're not ready. The next week after that is May 5th. It's a Tuesday. Yeah. So, let me get the calendar out. Here it is. Uh are you encouraging trustee growth and deputy? Just wait, John. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. Let's Let's do some logistics here. Don't make issues for me because then I have to clean it up.

I'm just going to say, Trustee Stewart, what I said before, the the clerks and the treasurer get to appoint their deputies. And I was just told tonight that our deputy clerk is going to leave if I'm appointed and half of the office. So tell me where you're going to find the trust in all of that and why you would want to effectively move forward for the benefit of the citizens when there's no trust in the leadership. Exactly. Say that again. Exactly. Okay. I have trust.

We're working on the date here, John. So, just wait to be recognized. I've got the calendar here. May 5th is a Tuesday. April 28th is a Tuesday. So, we could wait and collect uh letters of interest, which creates a jump ball, but we don't have to make any decisions on it right now. They would be due on by let's say by 3:00 on Sunday the uh the what the first Sunday in May. So that doesn't give you enough time to distribute them in a packet.

Well, we somebody might have to work on a Sunday for a few hours. Uh so yeah, but okay. 18 hours or whatever. So, uh if they came if Monday we if we had more than four uh uh applicants then um on Monday they would uh we would shortlist them and um when we do the interviews each candidate would be asked the same question and we couldn't pro you can't pro prohibit them from being in the room because it's an open meeting, but out of courtesy, the candidates would

Do I understand you correctly? You're reopening this to anybody and everybody. He's he's just I'm brainstorming. He's brainstorming. Bring it out loud. We We don't have to do what he's saying. We're listening to him. So, let's listen to him. And when he's finished, could we hear what some citizens? Yeah, we'll we'll do that in at the end of when we have public comment again. So, we're at a we're at a deadlock right now,

right? And this is this is not new. We did that before when Jennifer Buckley got appointed. We had a deadlock too and went to another meeting. And I know you don't remember it, but I do. And I got the documentation right here. Okay. May 3rd, 20 19 uh 2022. So we've done this before. Yeah. So it's not something radical. Third. Third. Uh, so, uh, that's a Sunday. No, no, we're talking about years ago. 2022. I'm sorry. Oh, okay. So, right here. May's law day, my birthday.

So, all right. Uh, we're going to do something else. We We're uh I'll contemplate this and then we can uh consider opening it up. Um, I know there's a group of people here in the front row uh that want that. Um, and we're going to do something. Um, don't know what it is yet. We don't have to commit tonight. So, um, like I said, this has been done before, so people shouldn't be surprised at what we're doing. It's part of keeping stability, uh, in the clerk's office. We did it with the treasurer's office. Um, all right. Any other comments on process process here? I would hope you would encourage I have confidence in Paula Jefferson.

All right. Well, that that's I have confidence in Sandy that they can come to some mutual agreement and perhaps persuade one of the voter one of the trustees to vote. I have confidence Jefferson. If we kept Schwalla Jefferson as an employee, Mark, would that be acceptable to you? No. I didn't. Who said no? The law is clear on that. It's up to the clerk. You You got to come up here. But no, hold on. I said employee. I didn't say deputy.

Didn't say deputy. So, uh, Mark, if we kept her as an employee, in other words, not lose her job, and she would be in the clerk's office. I I I don't know. Okay. I I interpret that as no, right? Well, it hasn't been proposed before. Yeah. Okay. Do you know, Sandy, who you would appoint? Yes, I do. Oh, okay. Could you let us know? Well, no, we don't need to talk about that now. going to do that because none of these might give people more confidence because it's a team effort. Trusty Buckley, I don't need you to question my integrity. It's already in question. Wait, wait, let's leave the discussion up here.

So, we would like to know I have declared who I would have as my deputy. Why can't you tell people who do you have in mind? Because it is none of you. Why is it a secret? It's not a secret of what you're saying. I hear everything you saying. Good for you. The point the point being is that people on the board now the audience is going to start going at it. The point being is that I think people on the board maybe if you'd like to sway a vote any particular way maybe they would have more confidence in the the combination of to whom you would be joined to. That is important. All right. We've had we've taken that statement. So, she's not prepared to take that as a no. Okay. Um,

you could take that. It's like a presidential candidate named their running mate, I guess. Pardon? Never mind. No, it is not, Bob. No one chose your deputy. And no one told you when you stepped into Treasurer Clinton's job when he was unable to do it for 6 months and received full pay along with a $25,000 bonus to his deputy. No one said to you, "We're going to put you in his treasur and we're going to select your deputy." It's not anyone's right. But it's not about that. It's about everybody getting all fired up that Jen isn't qualified. And so we're saying that that person goes hand in hand.

Sandy, you were the reason my deputy almost quit in the first place. Oh, and you know what? Isn't that interesting? You weren't here at the time or you were Are you talking about Amy? Amy Hammy who was spreading rumors about me on Facebook when she did I didn't want to have this in public forum. Yeah, this is there's a lot more than meets the eye. No, there's not a lot more. I had an issue with her. Okay. Yes, I did. Yeah. And you created an issue in the in the uh between the departments.

Okay. So, let's This is not going to be productive. So, we're going to we're going to come back here on May 5th and uh we will have an opportunity uh for people to say they want to be on here. They'll sit maybe they'll I'm not committing to anything what the process is, but we're going to do something. We also could do nothing and just come back and see if we change our votes. Um so, um All right. May 5th. So, any more comments? Uh, well, no, hold on. We can have closing comments, but we also need to do public comment as a closing. John, the usual thing before we end our meeting.

Hang on. I got to get the pardon. It's updating the computer. I'm going to have to Yeah, we don't need the computer anyway. We need the clock. Oh, okay. Well, you can do it manually, right? Right on your manually. Wait a minute. Okay, we got to start the clock. Start the clock. It's I'm going to be quiet. Speak into Speak to us and speak into the microphone, but wait until he says go. Not yet.

Here, find my clock here. Let's see if I got it. You got a clock? Yeah. Let's see if I got it. Okay. Yeah, you go a timer. So, I have a timer. Okay, three minutes, right? Yep. Let's see if I got it. Three minutes. Okay, I'm going to go for it.

Go. Hi, Estella Oolansky. What I don't understand is I'm hearing Trustee Buckley telling us that she doesn't know how to do the job and she has a staff that's going to do it for her. So, we're supposed to pay her $120,000 a year to have the staff train her when we have a person right here who knows how to do the job from the minute that we start. So, why why do we even need a clerk if you're going to let the staff run the office? Thank you. There's there's over a hundred people that were there in any election. I guess hold on.

Most of you know me. My name is Dwayne Zantop. Um, I'm the guy that was falsely charged by people that are in this clerk's office now. I've never been in trouble in my life. I got a few traffic tickets, but that's about all when I was a child. I was charged with a crime that I not did not do. I did not violate any election laws. There was people in that office over there that accused me. It cost me over $3,000 for an attorney. I did not do anything wrong. The another thing, Jen Buckley, you told us, "Do not call my house before 7:00 at night because I have children." After 7.

Ever after 7:00. There's a lady right here in this room now that called you and you just ripped her to pieces. Do never don't ever call me again at this time of day. How can you work in the clerk's office? That's my personal Dwayne. It's It's public comments. You don't even have to talk. I don't understand how you can do it now. I thought you Wait a minute. You're out of hand. It's my turn to talk. You You don't have to answer me. It's public comments. So, I don't understand how you can possibly do it now when we'll be admonished for calling you before 7 or 8:00 at night. Thank you.

Anyone else? Right. Isn't politics cool? Hey, my name is Pamela Stouter and I've lived in the township for 43 years and I'm very proud of living in the township, but I am very disgusted and embarrassed right now that I've watched tonight people get along and not get along and attack each other for some people I elected to represent us as us the residents of this township. There is no excuse for the way people are acting tonight and I am truly um just embarrassed to what is I have witnessed tonight. Um to the point that I think that the public people that care enough to come to this meeting tonight should be allowed their voice in a voting. If it's deadlocked, if people that were elected cannot decide what is right and what is wrong, then people that are sitting here should be allowed to have a chance to vote on it. I have just a few questions that I think the anyone who is planning to uh run for this office should be able to answer and that is I'd like to know I believe it's rather something important. I realize elections have gotten more complex. Okay. And and whatever, but how many employees worked in the clerk's office under Sandy and Jerry Vorva? How many now work in that office? How many of those currently working were

hired under the current Vorva Jefferson group? Okay. and who handled the selection of absentee and and not only handled the selection but the running of absentee voter workers during the last few elections. It wasn't Paula. Okay, Bill Pine again. Uh this time I've got time. Uh, I've lived here for 48 years. I'm a veteran, too. Uh, I don't like extraneous stuff brought up for something that's important is our elections. Mark, you talked about the fact, and I I respect you, Paula. You talked about the fact that Paula had six years of experience here. Sandy, how many years of experience do you have?

Total about 25. Oh, Bob, you talked about the fact that Paula has run the last several elections successfully. Thank you. How many elections have you run successfully, Sandy? I couldn't even tell you. Over 25 years. A lot. You need to think about that. And Jen, I have five kids. You have eight kids. Five of whom are at home that you homeschool. Please don't bring my kids into this conversation. Let me say this. Let me do I'm talking. What is the matter with you? Honestly, stop. All right, Jen, let him speak. Go ahead. Seriously. Oh, thank you.

I've I have my new friend here, Mr. Leblanc. Put Put the microphone up to your face. Yeah, we can't hear you. Mr. Leblanc and I were talking about how much time it would take to run an election. And I said, man, 23 or 16 hours and you said something higher, right?

You did. The regular job is 8 to 10 hours. You know, I don't regardless of what your family situation is, you have other commitments that are very important. Can you commit before God country in this room that you will spend 8, 10, 16, 20 hours a day every day working as the clerk and it's going to it's going to be tougher for you because you don't know what you're doing. Something that someone experienced could do in 10 hours, it would take you longer. So, can you commit to everyone here that you will spend the time necessary to do the job that people are willing to pay $120,000 for you to do?

Okay, that's my answer. And shame on you guys. Seriously, you guys should be more responsible when you do stuff like this. Square away. All right. Anyone else? Go ahead. For the three no votes on the board, get it close to your face.

How can you in good conscience vote no for Sandy when Jennifer is not even qualified to do the job and this is an election year. You're not representing the people in the township. You don't really care about the people in the township. This whole fiasco tonight has been engineered by our former supervisor and he needs to learn to step down. He lost the election and you guys are still with him voting for what's best for the township.

NO, once again he's living rentree in your head. I have not talked to Heisy since he since probably since he left office. No, I resent being accused of being somebody else's puppet. That's [ __ ] I make my own decisions and and Heisy lives rentree in your head because you can't entertain the the possibility that I may have a different opinion. So, you say he engineered it? It's [ __ ] I don't talk to Heisy. I don't uh have any relationship with him. Let him get him out of your head for God's sakes.

Okay. So, all right. Hi, my name is Eileen Coleman and I've been Get close to your face. I've been a resident of John, get over here. We can't hear you. I Oh, you can't hear? No. I've been a resident of Plymouth Township. This meeting is going on 2 and a half hours and we haven't had a break. Stop. Just I got a crap in my leg. I'm all right then. Then go go to the men's room. I'm sorry. All right. I've been a resident of Plummetia my entire life and I am very disappointed in this group. So, we are all conservatives. We're all Republicans.

On the board on the board. Okay. We are conservatives. It's not the pro. Well, the thing that that you realize now is that you are to come together for the good of this community. This is divisive. There was a common sense decision here and you made it political. It's it's unconscionable what just happened here this evening. May I ask who would you recommend to be treasur to to be clerk? Sandy. Okay. Thank you. obvious decision. There's there's this is even debatable. Okay.

Thank you.

Mary Teoszi again. Um I think tonight was a master class and what's wrong with the board. Um the uh the toxicity, the frequent uh bouts of incivility, um lack of cooperation. It's it's almost a tie as to what's the most shameful moment tonight, but uh because there have been so many uh you know, clearly the board cannot agree on a candidate, and that's a shame. Uh it's also a shame that it had to wait until late this evening to even have a process discussed and then to have the supervisor say he'll think about what the process might be after today, but not come away with a firm plan. Uh and then probably tied for most shameful than the supervisor saying that uh if this is opened up that it has to be a Republican who fills the spot. Where why they would think that qualified candidates would even propose to put in an application after that kind of a comment is really beyond the pale of consideration. And again, I think that today was just an indication of how things have devolved and continue to devolve on this board. And as I said earlier today, I pled I really plead that you please get your act together, be more collaborative, be more transparent, and be more nonpartisan for the good of the township. Thank you,

Richard. uh watching the board. I've watched from afar for a while. I spoke last year on Salem Springs and um disappointing what I saw here, but I think you guys just take a deep breath, step back, do what's right for the community. If you guys can't decide, you're deadlocked. I'm not arguing your reasons pro or con for either candidate right now. If you can't decide, you're hard set on that candidate and you guys are deadlocked. The lady suggested put it out to the voters then. more like we are Republican community generally. You're probably going to be Republican in that job then. But you guys need to think about the community. Both candidates, one you have that's somebody's new, it's younger, maybe a little fresh eyes approach to the job. The other one many years of experience, both have pros and cons, but the only thing I would recommend whoever the clerk ends up being, do not bring a yoga mat and a bag lunch to the park for your employees a lunch form.

I got it. I couldn't hear you. We didn't I didn't hear that last statement. Don't bring a yoga mat and a bag lunch for your employees if you become the clerk. A yoga mat. I don't get it. I can't hear it. That was It goes back to the comments about the weights and Oh. Oh, okay. We don't need to bring that one up for all the women to the park.

Okay. All right. Anyone else? Otherwise, we'll close the comments. That's one thing. You're in Plymouth Township. you get to say speak your mind. If you were somewhere else, you wouldn't get to speak as often. Uh I can assure you go to other meetings. So, all right, let me get this timer kicked off. All right, board comments. We'll start with Mark Clinton. Uh I guess I'm going to just make one more comment which basically I said before. Um, Paul is the most important most important to run the election right now. It's the most important thing. Unfortunately, she doesn't live here in Plymouth. That's the most important. If if uh if you lived in Plymouth, we wouldn't be having a conversation. That's the whole issue for me. The most important thing for me is Paula. Now, the next thing we have to do since Paula cannot run because she does uh because um she doesn't live in Plymouth, then I got to think what else to do. That's my whole decision for me. That's the thing, right? John Stewart. It's a public record that Paula Jefferson ran for clerk as a Democrat in Superior Township. She had political aspirations and she did that while she was serving and a full-time employee of Plymouth Township. It's undeniable. Now, I maybe she aspires to do especially with the wind with the way the midterms are looking. Uh maybe she aspires to do that again. I you know the obvious thing to a practicing lawyer is

that you put Paula in one room and you and you send Sandy Growth into that room and I'm sure they're not going to touch each other. Now a year ago, February before the $10 million lawsuit, I had a piece of paper that I showed Sandy Growth in my law office. I had a piece of paper that that I showed Bill I in my law office and nobody would print it. It was Dale Burnernhard's evidence that of the Carlo brothers income, 4% was from the anacronistic harness racing. Not exactly Ben her. 96% came from gambling. Let's roll out the blueprint with the word casino on it. Let's roll out the slot machines. Let's roll out the blackjack tables. I have had lengthy conversations with the deputy legal counsel of the Michigan Gaming and Control Board and they are about an opposite ends is that as you could imagine with Kurt Heisy they didn't know where he was coming from even suggesting that there was well okay I never got a chance to deliver that piece of paper in the closed session a year ago February but now it's out there and I pray that some media person will post it. I was shouted down in the meeting by Jerry Borva. There was an iron control and a and a power. You everybody knows that the past nine years Vorba and Heisy gathered power and now we're seeing some of it dissipate. But I want somebody who's objective and somebody who is, you know, looks me in the eyes and says, "John, these are what the rules. This is what we're going to be. This is what we're going to do." and that was Sandy Growth. And I've had a 25- year working relationship. I remember when Sandy was

part-time at the city clerk's office. So, I mean, and people 60 days and early voting starts over a 100 days on August. Well, early June 20th.

Well, it it will start right right around that. Yeah. Shortly thereafter. And it's going to certainly start by July 1 or the politicians in the parades are going to be in trouble. And then you've got the over 100 days to August 4th. So I I I I pray that Paula and Sandy will come back with a joint decision. Maybe uh Deb Kowski can moderate it and uh with her skills and and then we can have a recommendation that we can adopt May uh five. Cinco de Mayo. What a treat. Oh, by the way, ending on a positive note, do you know what happened in our community? We don't have a local newspaper. So, the Plymouth Community Library, God love them and I do. Here's Cara Gavin, a monthly newspaper. The Plymouth Express. All you got to do is pay them 20 bucks a month. Articles in here by highly credible people, really good writers. Cara Gavin and Robert Cohen. I've known them 35 years. Uh, I've got extra copies and they're substantive articles about Miller Woods and then the chief the fire chief said, "Oh yeah, we know all about that." But you know what? The third page headline, Plymouth Township firefighters go beyond the call. They will work with the Billy Moore Foundation. Dang it. biples. The Plymouth Township firefighters are

now working with meals for critically ill, purchasing beds for children, providing temporary lodging and hotels. They are doing fundraisers for Miracle League, Salvation Army, United Way Breast Cancer Awareness Campaign, Trinity Health, Oncology Department, and Kuanas. I didn't read about that or know about that. I'm sorry, chief. I'll I'll I'll attribute it to your humility, but you know, it took the the the the the Plymouth Library to publish a local newspaper and you're welcome to have it. I got 20 of them. God love them. So, okay. I I'm I've recommendation and and and I'm and I'm I'm confident in Paula and I'm asking Sandy to show up and sit down and talk to Paula and see what's what's going to happen here. So, um let's let's go onward and forward, folks. Jen Buckley,

no comments. You don't have any

anything? I got nothing to add. All right. I got a couple of things. One is uh last week was uh National Public Safety Telecommunications Week. Thanks to our great dispatchers for their steady hand and voice. Uh our team is continuing to take care of the city of Plymouth and Plymouth Township. Great example of local cooperation. The DEA National Drug Takeback Day is this upcoming Saturday, 10 to 2 at Kroger only. No drop off here in the township hall. So Kroger, Saturday the 25th. Um and the planning commission, thank you. Now they're gone, but thank you for what they did. Uh let me give you a little update on this room. Um, we're going to be putting some acoustic fixes in here in that dome area which will be to try to reduce the reverberation. We'll have new microphones. The target is June 1 to be completed. So hopefully people can hear better then. when you're in the front in those rows there, sometimes it's difficult to pick up what's being said because of the reverberation in that um chamber up there. Um can't think of anything else that is blowing my hair back. Takes quite a bit to do that. Um all right. Do we have a motion to adjurnn?

Second. All in favor? I I opposed. All right, turn off your mics.