Pc Meeting - Regular Meeting

All right. What is the Where's the gigantic clock has died? 6:33. All right. I'm going to call this meeting to order. Uh this is the city of Plymouth's planning commission meeting for se for uh December 9th, 2025. It's 6:3 what 4 now? 3.

6:33 still pm. Um, but so I'd like to call this to order. Members of the public not attending in person may submit writen public comment prior to the meeting by emailing your comments to the city clerk at and it's a new address because Dana's departing from us and abandoning us, but Mr. Victoria is awesome. So v mckenry at cityofly.org before 3:30 p.m. on the day of the meeting. Emmailed public comments will be distributed to the commission and made part of the official record. And we're also on Zoom now. This is meeting ID 95685986982 and the passcode is 830313. And if you go to our website, you can find the Zoom link for that. Um, all right. And please silence your cell phones and similar devices. This meeting will be recorded. Council chambers are wheelchair accessible. Special accommodations may be requested by contacting the planning clerk 72 hours in advance of the meeting, but even aside from that, we'll make accommodations and get you in either way. Uh let's have a roll call. Uh roll call, please.

Commissioner Mickelson, here. Vice Chair Clap Roth here. Chair Sullivan here. Thank you. We have a quorum. Excellent. Let's all rise for the flag salute. Vice Chair Mickelson, would you like to lead us in the flag salute? Sure. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

All right, we can now be seated. Our next item is the approval of the planning commission special meeting agenda for December 9th, 2025, which is tonight. Uh, do we have any public comment on the approval of the agenda? Not necessarily public comment on anything that's on it, just on the agenda itself? None. All right. And then, uh, Victoria, we have any written public comment on that? All right. Can I get a motion to approve the agenda as presented? Make a motion to approve the agendas presented. How about a second? A second. Roll call vote, please. Commissioner Mickelson. I. Vice Chair Clapro. I. Chair Sullivan.

I. Thank you. Motion passes.

All right. Now, we'll move on to number three, public comment. Under provisions of the government code, citizens wishing to address the commission for any matter on the agenda may do so at this time by completing and submitting a speaker submitt form to the city clerk, which looks like this. or following the instructions noted on the agenda. Speakers will be called by the chair at the point on the agenda when the item will be heard. speaker should keep their comments to 3 minutes or less, state their name, community of residents, and under the pres provisions of the California Government Code, the commission is prohibited from materially discussing or taking action on any item not on the agenda unless it can be demonstrated to be of an emergency nature or an urgent need to take immediate action arose after the posting of the agenda. So again, this is public comment, not on anything that's on the agenda tonight, like we have a public hearing on number four. This is general stuff. Is there anyone in city hall that would like to make a public comment about anything not on the agenda? Anybody on Zoom or anywhere else in the world? All right. So, close public comment. Um, on to number four. We have a public hearing 4.1, which is a resolution of the planning commission of the city of Plymouth approving a major design review for exterior modifications and a conditional use permit of a bar with with alcohol sales and live entertainment PA 2025-10 for drink bar and restaurant located at 9451 Main Street, which is APN 010- 031- 012. And before we start discussing that, let's uh see if there is anyone in city hall who would like to make a public comment about this. Correct.

Okay. Good. All right. So, we have a speaker form submitted from Thomas Seth after. We do that after.

Oh, we do that after. Okay. I don't know. I'm used to this, but I don't this time. All right. All right. So, let's uh have Erica give us her presentation then. I'm not on. Sorry. The applicant is proposing a restaurant with bar and outside dining and drinking. They're planning to be open from breakfast through dinner. They're proposing modifications to the existing site which requires a major design review and they're also proposing live entertainment in addition to alcohol sales. Both of those require a conditional use permit. This is the proposed site plan. As you can see, there is an existing building. Uh they are planning to modify the interior of the existing building. Two new restrooms will be constructed outside of the existing building and then the entire site will get overhauled. Right now it's mostly uh dirt and some minimal plant materials. The applicant is proposing to uh increase landscaping on the site. So there'll be new trees throughout. There will be new landscaping at the street, a variety of species. And then interior interior in the site, as you can see, there'll be new um outdoor dining tables. At the rear, there's a trellis proposed. And within that trellis area, so located uh close to the top of that site plan is where the live entertainment area will be. So it will

be outside. There's some other um modifications to the site which include u the parking area um uh rehabbing that area. There's a condition of approval that we've included that would require them to fix the cracked uh driveway. And then they are proposing a new monument sign at the street which requires um planning commission review and those this the plans for that sign were included in the um project materials but it is a low low monument sign for the restaurant. Next slide. This is the floor plan. They're modifying the inside of that existing building. There will be some minimal seating as well as a small food prep area. Uh as far as the bar use goes, so for alcohol sales, uh the applicant is proposing to have offduty um police officers or security personnel during uh evening hours and on weekends um to maintain a secure site. They will be training their staff in responsible serving, ensuring that no one under 21 is served. And then in addition to their security plan which is included with the project application materials, staff has also included conditions of approval to ensure that the site operates in a safe ma manner. So in summary, those conditions of approval require them to u maintain peace and order at all times. They'll be required to prevent patrons from loitering on the sidewalk and the surrounding area. So they will need to uh sweep the site to ensure that that doesn't happen. Uh we are recommending that signage um advertising the sale of alcohol either temporary or permanent be prohibited and then they will have to incorporate all the security measures that they've included in their security plan. With regards to live entertainment, the

applicant is proposing to have live entertainment Friday through Sunday starting at 6 PM. They are not proposing any amplified sounds, but you will most likely hear whatever is is going on. Um, but we do have a noise ordinance and the noise ordinance prohibits um um audible noise more than 50 feet from the location of the property from 9:00 p.m. to 8:00 a.m. So that would mean that the noise has to stop at 9:00 p.m. And that's the way the noise ordinance is worded. Now I did the condition of approval requiring compliance with that is worded so that they always comply with the noise ordinance in case for some reason we ever change the noise ordinance they would then be required to comply with that. Um staff did have a few concerns or does have a few concerns regarding the live entertainment and some noise impacts particularly at the rear of the property because that is where the live entertainment area is. um that live entertainment is set back pretty far from the street, but there is a house located behind it. So, some conditions of approval have been included um requiring noise control, but specifically um they are proposing trees at the rear of the property, which will dull some of the noise. We're requesting that those be 24in box in size because that way they will grow bigger faster. And I did check the um the specifics for those trees and they will provide a good canopy, but it does take some time to get there. It will provide some noise attenuation. The existing fence is 6 feet in height. We're requesting that that fence go up to 8 ft, which should further block the noise. And as the planning commission, you can require the taller fence um other than what's required in our code because it would be for the noise attenuation. So, I've included those conditions of approval and then again the condition of approval that they have to comply with the city's noise ordinance.

So, tonight planning is uh recommending that you do approve the project. Of course, you could um modify the conditions of approval if you chose to do so. you could continue the public hearing if you um needed additional information or wanted to wanted staff to return with um a revised project. And then of course you can always deny the MA major design review and conditional use permit if you chose to do so.

Great. Thank you. Um do we know what which alcohol license they're applying for through ABC? So, the way I've worded it is full alcohol license, but I know that it's hard to get them in this in this area. So, if they can only get beer and wine, they're still covered. If they do manage to get the full liquor license, then they would have that ability. So, there's there's a general, which is the really expensive one that there's only x number per county. There's the type 47 that generally restaurants have that also sell spirits. M um but over 50% of your proceeds need to be food related and you can't close your kitchen um and continue your entertainment. Yeah.

And then there's beer and wine which then allows you to do more things again. Do we know which which they're going because I you believe at this they're just trying to get beer and wine because I believe the full liquor license is very hard to get in this area, right? Um so most of what we're seeing is just beer and wine. Okay. I have worded it that if they did manage to get the full one, they could still do it under this this approval. That being said, they are running that kitchen breakfast, lunch, and dinner. So, it will operate all day long.

Okay. And there was some information, I believe, in the packet or an earlier thing I read. I've I've read a few things on it about closing the kitchen and running the the um entertainment past the hour that the kitchen was closed. That's negated by the noise ordinance. Correct. That's negated by the noise ordinance. Yeah. The earlier request was to run until 10, right? And I did tell them that the noise ordinance is nine and they agreed that they would follow the noise ordinance. Okay. Good. All right. Do we have the applicant here by chance? The applicant is here and then he also has his uh designer on on Zoom.

Okay. Would you like to come up and and let us know a little bit more about your project? When you come up, uh, press the speaker button, tell us who you are and and what you're all about. And

my name is Izzy Bourjon and, uh, excuse me. I, uh, this is my project that I'm proposing. Do I keep holding it? Oh, I don't have to keep holding it. So, yeah. Um, just, uh, born and raised Amar County, Plymouth. Um, I don't know if you guys know who I am, but I own a winery up the road vineyard management company. So, I just kind of want to just keep the ball rolling for me and my family. And, um, we were able to acquire that property and, you know, the initial thought was to lease it out, rent it out to someone that wanted to do some kind of business. What kind of business? I don't know. Just um, it's commercial property on Main Street, you know, and I but I just just thought it'd be really cool to do some kind of something different. You know, it's an open lot. Um there's a lot of like restaurants and breweries everywhere, you know. Um uh excuse me, out of bounds and Fulsome, uh Moon Raker in Cameron Park. Obviously, this is way smaller than that, but outdoor seating, kid-friendly, burgers, sandwiches, tacos, music every once in a while. Um may maybe, yeah, be open for breakfast, but definitely for lunch and dinner, and um just I don't know, just do something different in Plymouth and that's it. And the the goal is to have a full liquor license. Um, however, we can obtain that. Um, but obviously for now it definitely be wine and beer till we get there. Um,

by full liquor license, are you talking the type 47 with food or the full general where you can where you either either either either or. Um, uh, but we'll always have the kitchen open. That's that's part of the whole thing. And then how about uh you know like you're you're talking about families and whatnot. Is it always going to be under 21 welcome like a type 47 license? That's the plan. Absolutely. Because if you go for on sale general then then you can't you can't anymore. Don't don't want that. I I have kids and I Yeah. There's I want kids there. So, you know. So, just to confirm, you're kind of not going for a nightclub. No. Absolutely not. type of No, no. You're you're going for a familyfriendly Yes, absolutely.

Okay. Yeah. And and do you have an application in with alcohol beverage control? Uh I've been I'm in contact with them. I'm asking I'm talking to them about different licenses that are available because there there are a few like you mentioned a few different ones and um they do that lottery every year where you can get one. We'll be applying for that as well. Um, I've been looking out for liquor licenses for sale an hour. They're not, but you know. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's, if I remember right, it's one per every couple of thousand residents, which makes them pretty tight. Yeah. In a county like this, like uh what kind of entertainment what would be some examples?

You know, uh little rock bands, you know what I mean? Um at the winery, I have like I just had an event this last Saturday. We had a um like a ' 80s rock cover band and something like that. We do mariachi and you know just Santana tribute bands, something like that. Yeah. And you know, you know that there's there's a house right behind you know your area and you're kind of in a lower area. So even with an 8 foot fence Noise is going to carry there's a you know the mobile manners behind there. Then Victorian village and all that. That's I mean we all know everybody lives in this town knows when the fair is in town. Yeah.

I I can hear it at my house. You know, everybody can hear it at their house when a band's playing. What are you going to do to kind of be a good neighbor and mitigate noise to those folks? I mean, I would like to say, you know, tell the bands not to bring any speakers, but, you know, I mean, I I don't if I, you know, if you tell them not to bring any speakers, they won't bring speakers, obviously, and they just play just, you know, acoustic, you know, just um but but you don't have a problem with Mariachi because that they don't carry speakers with them. But, um if if we were asked to not have any speakers, you know, when we have um live entertainment, then we would comply with that. I'm not trying to make anybody mad. So

So you're going to be a good neighbor and you know I mean you know we have our noise ordinance on the books and there's obviously you know 50 foot and I just want to make sure you're you're ready to to be aware that you're going to be held to mitigate that kind of stuff 100%. I mean if you guys say no live music at all I'm still I still want to do this. You know what I mean? I think it would just be really cool to have live entertainment just like you know across the street and farmers market or all you know that just something different you know what I mean and yeah I'm going to be a good neighbor I live right down the street and obviously the winery and I'm not going anywhere so great

yeah I have a question for Erica after but am I good I just have a quick question I know that the noise ordinances to 900 p.m. which is is somewhat late especially for people getting up early. Would you be willing to adjust that if the live music was approved? Yeah. I mean, yeah, absolutely. Yes.

All right. Um, if that's all all you have to present, stick around because there's probably going to be other questions.

Sounds good. we can uh we can move into public comment on this. The first one I have is uh Thomas Seth Robersonson who's turned in a uh a sled. Come on up. Good evening everybody. My name is Thomas Seth Robersonson. I'm a resident of Plymouth. I'm at 9466 Main Street right next door to the city hall and right directly across from the applicant's location. My main concern is of course the noise. My front door is 178 ft from the sound stage. Now I thought I heard Erica say no amplification. Is that is that part of the condition?

Their own plan say no amplification. Okay. So that becomes incorporated into their project.

And Mr. Warhol talked about rock bands which I've never heard an acoustic rock band yet. So the decibel level becomes important. Now in my research I've done, I've learned that a boom box to a school band generates anywhere from 100 to about 110 dB of pressure. At the distance from the stage to my door, that only drops down to about 65 dB, which is considered too high for an evening uh outside in a normal urban environment. So, it really just comes down to the sound and noise mitigation and what the requirements are. I want him to be successful, Mr. Warhan to have a great place, but it needs to have some type of consideration for the fact the neighbors are close. If there is no amplified sound, it's acoustic. I can see that working out pretty well. But if a good old cover rock band rolls in and hits those amplifiers real large, uh, yeah, then we'll have a problem. So hopefully we have some understanding on the noise and amplication at the live music venue. My other concern is the lighting on the street. That side of Main Street right now has no street lighting. It's very dark. I've seen close calls there with people who exit the vehicle to cross the street to the ATM. several gross calls in part because we have drivers that come through Plymouth that are a little unsafe and the lighting in that specific area is is very dim. So, those are my two main concerns and I thank you for the time. Great. Thank you. Uh before we move on really quick, I see a Cameron on the line. Is that the city manager?

Hey, how you doing, Commissioner? Great. Thank you. Hey, just curious based on that. So, if you know we're going to enforce our noise ordinance here and say no amplified sound and no sound greater than 50 ft from the the limits of the property. I know we don't have a police department. I know we have very limited code enforcement. What's the city's ability and willingness to enforce this? Um, as far as the noise ordinance, well, if there's a noise complaint, obviously citizens can um, address it with me personally um, the following day. We might not be able to get out there at night time when it's going on, but we'll definitely take every complaint seriously. If it becomes an issue, then we'll have to address it with the business owner. Um, additionally, if there is any law enforcement presence, we will definitely be aware of it and we can address that accordingly as well. So the city is is capable and in a position to enforce the

Abs absolutely sir. Okay. Great.

If I can add to that as part of the conditional use permit process if they do not abide by any part of this conditional use permit. So it's the noise is let's say we've said 9:00 and they're going past 9 or all of a sudden the restaurant isn't there anymore and it's just a bar. That's entirely different. their permit can be revoked and then they cannot operate. So, it is in their own best interest to follow all the requirements. So, like Cameron said, if there's a noise complaint, they can call Cameron or me and we'll start that process with the applicant to get them to correct it hopefully on their own. If they do not, it comes back before you for revocation. And once you have a permit revoked, you are probably not getting another permit from us for, you know, something similar, right? So, it also gives us the ability to remove their ability to have live entertainment if it becomes a problem.

Okay. Uh before I ask for any more public comment, Mr. Bahon, you you good with all that? I mean, no amplified sound is what's in the ordinance. No problem is what you said. Okay, that's on the record. No problem. I don't have any more speaker for forms, but anybody in city hall, come on up. Rosemary Marino Moody, a resident of Plymouth. Um, I've known the Bourjon family for many, many years and they're wonderful people and I know that they can bring something really nice to town. We do lack evening dining especially and there are certain days you can't get breakfast in town either. So, that's a great thing. Um, my big concern is the parking and I know that they're not responsible for parking, but the city needs to address that. Um, since the pizza place opened up here, it has impacted the parking, customer parking at the Plymouth Post Office. I am the retired postmaster of Plymouth. Um, I went to get my mail at six o'clock last week in the evening and there were only two spots left in the parking lot and when I went inside there was nobody there. There were the street was full and so I'm seeing the impact already from the pizza place to that that I know that this is also going to impact that. And being that their operation is from 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m., that is the same time the post office is open for business because the box section is open from 5:00 a.m. till 9:00 p.m. 7 days a week. And there are people coming in getting their mail in the evening um that work. I mean, it's a constant thing, even Saturday and Sundays. And I can speak from many

complaints I got just from the farmers market filling up that and people not being able to come in in the evening and get their mail. Um I got complaints during the flea market. Anytime there was something going on Main Street and people were using that parking lot, it became a real problem. The other issue is there's one handicap spot at the post office and people feel they are entitled to that wherever they go in the city of Plymouth which actually hurts the post office because it's for their building. So that's my big concern of where are these people going to park with this additional um we're talking a capacity of about 100 people between the inside and outside. So, even at two people, that's 50 more cars on Main Street. And I don't know where they're going to park. And I and it's an issue the city has to address because the city is making this them not being responsible. And I'm not saying them in particular, but the businesses on Main Street are no longer responsible for parking. What is going to happen? Is it going to go up into the subdivisions? Um, so then you have people walking up in the subdivisions at 10:00 at night when you know in residential areas. That's the concern I have and I really think the city needs to really look at the parking situation and and how they're going to accommodate additional because not only this restaurant, we have another restaurant going on in the old Wheeler building and so that should be coming up too. So, it's just going to really impact cuz if you drive in the evenings when Taste is open and the Plymouth Hotel is open and the pizza place now, it is full on Main Street. So, that's my only concern. I mean, I'm happy to see something new come in. I'm just loving the fact that they're going to do breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and it's going to be, you know, well, it seems seven days a week. You're pretty ambitious. So, thank you.

All right. I know the the city manager has a long list of of cleanup items and things he's working on, but uh it's not my power to order him to do something, but I would encourage him to have the city staff touch base with post office and touch base with uh local businesses to just work on parking mitigation on that. I think that it's important to make sure we're welcoming people down here and we have somewhere for them to park that doesn't impact the residents and whatnot. So, I' I'd hope they look into that and I'd encourage them to do so and I appreciate your comments on that.

Do we have anybody else in city hall with public comment on this item? All right. Anybody on Zoom? Oh, all right. Come on out. Say uh push the button. Say who you are, where you're from, and let us know your speaker piece. Uh my name is Micah Malcolm. Uh, I'm a 12-year Plymouth um, resident and I'm also the chef at Taste Restaurant here in town. Uh, so I both live and work here. Um, and Izzy is a good friend of mine as well. Uh, we've been friends for many years and also he is Plymouth resident as he mentioned earlier and the the aspect of being a good neighbor. I would like to say on record that he is a great neighbor and he is a good person for our community. He's done a lot of things for our community. His kids are here. He's great with kids. He wants them to be involved in what he's doing. His kids, my kids, people's kids to come over. So, I know when he says he wants it to be family style restaurant, that's what he's looking to have uh in the in the place, the restaurant, um bar, but also um we need this the all the restaurants here need more viability. We need people seeing from the streets. We need people driving by, coming down at taste. We need We're We're set in from the main drag. Like he's like he mentioned, it's dark. People don't see it. They're driving by. Now the pizza place is open. That's another light on. That's someone coming down Main Street, seeing into the Plymouth Hotel. The other facility uh that's going to be coming on as well. We need more lights on Main Street. And he's willing to put his mouth or his money where his mouth is to get people down on Main Street. We need that revenue for the city. Um, but also we need things to do in town. We like when I get off of work, there's nothing to do. When uh my days are off, there's not

a lot to do. Um, I live work here. I don't leave here very often. So, it would be nice, but there be things to do when I am off. So, I appreciate your time. Thank you. I appreciate your time coming down here and telling us that. All right. Anybody else in city hall? All right. Let's move it on to Zoom. Do we have Zoom? Yep. There's a handheld. All right, the person on Zoom, go ahead and say who you are and um where you're from and we'd love to hear from you.

Thank you very much, Sher Sullivan, members of the planning commission. My name is Miguel Victor. I'm the designer for Izzy. So, uh I currently reside in Arizona. So, I'm in Lichfield Park, Arizona doing some work for him. So, uh, as far as the site is concerned, I think this is a a great opportunity kind of at the beginning entrance of the downtown historic city hall. I' I've been down there several times kind of visiting Izzy and his winery. So, looking at the viability of how we can incorporate this out there. So, I think it's a great idea. We plan to abide by everything that uh Erica has presented. So, we are in compliance with that. As far as the sound attenuation, I think with the trees that we're proposing and the wall rising up, I I think that that'll help tremendously as far as

uh oh, is mitigating. We're never going to get 100% mitigation, but I think it's a great start to kind of get us in there and and and and get that vitality that we want to get down into the the historic downtown area. So, I just wanted to say that that that kind of we're ready to get this moving forward. Great. Thank you very much. Uh, do we have any submitted written comments? We do not.

Okay. Great. All right. Discussion of the commission. Um, you know, we've all spoken about this before that we want more things to come to Main Street, but you know, there's obviously the aspect of being a good neighbor on this as well. Um, so you know, my my suggestion and thoughts is that this is a a great project if it's going to stick to our ordinances and if this the city is has the resources and ability to make sure those those rules and conditions are held to as well. Um my other my other point on this and working with this kind of stuff before in my my old career um the conditions we set we can also communicate to ABC and they can put as a condition on the ABC license.

ABC will communicate whenever a ABC receives an application we have to sign off on it planning does. So it's both a we can catch someone if they aren't going through the proper process but because they have a conditional use permit they'll get all the conditions right. So you know even if the city is you know it's not this is not the greatest resources resourced city for enforcement of things and I understand that and ABC is much more resourced. So, if their um conditions mirror our conditions and we're communicating with them well and those become conditions of any license they receive, um I'm fairly comfortable with this. How do you guys feel?

Uh quick question. Uh was there something would they provide a handicap parking space? I think that was in the proposal. Yeah, they they do have um uh the stalls. So there's the on the site plan there was the the seats and then there's parking spaces right there. So there will be that area for parking. It's obviously not much. Um but we don't require parking in the downtown. It's just not a requirement in our code.

But there is some parking. Yes. That they're adding. Yeah. Go ahead. Yes. with that parking and that uh handicap parking section that we put in there. I know we're not required and we won't if we don't have to. That's part of us trying to be a good neighbor if everybody's going to be a good neighbor. That's the way I'm looking at it. No, that's that's great. And so I kind of wonder because I know that was an issue. Yeah. Um, yeah. I mean, again, I I knew right off the jump that, you know, maybe it'd be cool to have a handicap parking on on Main Street, but again, um, excuse me,

that's my way of trying to play ball if the city is willing to play ball, you know? That's that's the way I look at it. But if I don't have to do it, I won't do it. That's And that's in the current design though, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. And then uh well maybe another question. So lighting was mentioned as um as a potential opportunity, right? You mentioned um Mr. Robersonson that it's dark as you can see out there tonight. It's pretty dark, but um kind of what's the site because I know it's a lot of outdoor like what's the kind of lighting for you're proposing for that outdoor area in the parking space?

String lights. That's, you know, I mean, that's a kind of an outdoor outdoor thing. All the breweries that I've been to, they, you know, p poles and string lights and stuff like that. So, make it lit for the people that are there for sure. I mean, along the fence, I wouldn't mind putting a couple, you know, ornamental light fixtures. You know, we see them all over the place and stuff like that. But, um, definitely want people to be safe when they come in and out, but, you know. Yeah. Okay. And and the reason I asked is I think that would help mitigate some of the lighting issues because it it gets dark out there. It's it's actually unnerving to walk out there at night even tonight, right? But if you had some that overhead

be some globe definitely lighting for the people that are in there and if it's if if they can see enough that it's going to trickle into the street, I'm guarantee. Yeah. Thank you.

That was all the questions I had. Uh, I agree. We have been asking for stuff to come downtown. I think it's important that we that we do allow this. The only concern I have is with the the music, the fact that it's not amplified definitely helps alleviate my concerns. You know, one of the things that I had mentioned earlier was just in my experience in my past life as well was that if you say 9:00, um, most bands end at 9:10, 9:15. So if you did at 8:45, you had some wiggle room, make sure at 9:00 there was no other music. I think that might go a long way with the neighbors, but certainly not something I would, you know, hold things up on, but just a just a thought.

Sir, are you saying we end the music earlier than the 9 or the nine? I'm just saying a suggestion maybe 8:45 just so that we are we can ensure that there won't be any music at 9:00. But if uh everybody else feels that the no amplified and ended at nine, I'd be okay with that. I just um I'm just concerned with the neighbors.

Gotcha. Yeah. I think I think I think you make you probably make a good suggestion for the applicant, which is maybe tell the tell the band or whoever is playing like it has to stop by 9, which wrap it up by 8:45, kind of finish it off and um because I think that would be warrant, right? and and Mr. Robersonson being very close, you would probably be the one to hear that after 9. So, so uh um I think to your point, as long as it's stopped by 9, I don't know if we need to make a change to the current ordinance or approval for this uh particular project. Current current ordinance is it stops at 9, right? Yeah, current ordinance is at 9. There is no more sound.

Gotcha. All right. Anything else from you guys?

Just in just what you mentioned, uh, Commissioner Sullivan, is I think that the city as the city grows and gets more activity and we get more people downtown and and, uh, I think parking does, you know, at some point will need to be addressed. So, uh, I think from Cameron, the city manager, and Eric as we look at the future of the city, we we probably should consider how we would accommodate, right, with the pizza place and say this, this sounds like a great venue and we have taste and potentially another opportunity coming in as well. It's like it's fantastic, but at the same time, we have to ensure that we have the right space for people to come and enjoy it and and not create safety issues or or neighborhood another neighborhood concerns as well.

Right. Anything else from the floor? Anybody else have anything to add before we All right. Great. So, um, I'd like to float a motion that we adopt a resolution approving the minor design review and a resolution approving the conditional use permit. But I do want a couple of or I would move that a couple of things be emphasized in those. That one is that the music does end by 9:00 p.m. pursuant to the noise ordinance and that the city work with alcoholic beverage control to make sure that any license issued has conditions that mirror the conditions in our resolution. Do I have a second? and to and just to ensure that no amplified meeting started

as well as sorry um as well as expressly stating in addition to the 9pm that no amplified music is allowed per the ordinance. Do I have a second? Second. All right. Roll call vote. Commissioner Mickelson I. Vice Chair Clapro I. Chair Sullivan I.

Thank you. Motion passes. And I do want to say first off to the city staff, thank you for the great work on this, but most importantly, thank you to the applicant for um investing in Plymouth and investing in downtown. Uh this last weekend was a busy weekend downtown in Plymouth with the um home tour and the Christmas market. And there were a number of people I talked to that told me they didn't even know that Plymouth had a main street until that day. So, it's like, you know, you were talking about shining light on Main Street and and bringing some things downtown. Um, I think Micah mentioned that. I think that that's what we should be focusing on, but we should be doing it in a way that we're keeping to our ordinances and being good neighbors. And I really appreciate your willingness to do that and to listen to to people like Mr. Robersonson who, you know, have concerns and and be here to talk about this kind of stuff. So, thank you very much. All right. And next we have number five which is the adjournment. And uh I would like to adjourn this meeting. Give me 7:13 p.m. Thank you all for coming and and thank you online for coming as well.