City Council - Regular Meeting

All right, we'd like to welcome everyone out tonight on Tuesday, March 24th, 2026 for Pleasant Grove City Council meeting on Mayor Jensen. And it looks like we have all council members present for tonight's city council uh meeting. Um our pledge of allegiance tonight will be count by council member Williams and opening remarks will be by Council Member Anderson. Stand repeat after me. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Our dear father in heaven, we're very grateful for this opportunity that we have to meet together as citizens of Pleasant Grove. We're grateful for the city. We're grateful for all those who work and serve and protect and uh spend their day serving us. We're grateful for the resources that we have at this time. We please ask for rain so that we will have enough for our needs. We also special we ask a special blessing for those who are protecting us. Um that our first responders and police officers will be safe. And we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Thank you, Council Member Williams and Council Member Anderson. Um Scott, on our meeting agenda, I notice we might have a few changes like the recognition of the the basketball champions and then yes. We've moved uh presentations 8A. We're going to move that to the 14th of the high school girls state champs. And then item 9C, uh we're going to continue date certain to April 14th, 2026.

Great. With that said, I'll entertain a motion for approval of tonight's meeting agenda. Mayor, I'll make a motion to approve tonight's meeting agenda with the adjustment of 8A and the already noted uh 9C uh continued to the next session. Great. Motion by Council Member Williams, second by Council Member Rogers. All those in favor? I It's unanimous. Thank you.

All right, we'll move into open session. Um we do have for those who are in attendance with us tonight, we do have some public hearings tonight. I think three uh public hearings. So, if you're here for those items, we ask that you wait for those items. Um, and then you can come forward at that time. But other than that, we'll open our open session. You'll have three minutes um to come up and share your thoughts and we'll open at this time. And if you do come forward, just uh state your name. Welcome. Thank you, council. Uh, my name is Jerry Bushman. I live at 1178 North, 1120 West. Um, thank you for your hard work with the city. I come here tonight to ask you to if you could review some of your city ordinances. Uh particularly in my neighborhood with the account of the number of wrecked and parked cars that are not licensed or are licensed but are just broke down and sitting on the front yards of people. And um about six months ago, my wife was in an R car accident in our culde-sac due to bushes that were too high. She couldn't see into the intersection of 1100 North. Police came, did an investigation, uh talked to somebody here that's over the ordinances. They came, I think, and talked to those people. They cut their bushes down, but now they've built a six-foot fence up right to the street, which I think is against your ordinance. Uh, they're on a corner. Uh, and I think it needs to be looked

at. I think I know what the ordinance says, but I'm not going to tell you because you guys know. Uh, but we have a real problem there. safety and it's turning into a junkyard in several yards in our culde-sac. And I would hope that the person that's over at city ordes would maybe come down and take a look at it uh or give me a call. I'd be happy to invite them down and show them what we're dealing with there. Um I don't want to get into a lot of particulars here because it's not necessary, but thank you very much for listening. Mr. Bushman, I'm gonna ask you to turn to your right and there's Director Cardennis right there. He's going to look at you and smile and he's going to follow you out and get your address and get information. Is that okay?

That's great. Great. Okay. Thank you. Mayor, can I ask for has it has his address? Yeah. Yes. There you go. General, thank you. And he'll he'll take care of you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Sorry. And then Mary, can you explain just what happens? And so if anyone's watching or anyone in the audience when someone comes to the complaint who that would go to generally after Daniel like our code enforcement officer generally it's like with Mr. Bushman if he has a complaint then we want to get him in touch with our community development director and then code enforcement Gell to to alleviate those issues. Right. And or at least listen and see what's going on and and go take a look. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like Gail's already been out there once. Yeah. It sounds like Yeah. Sounds like we need to send her out there again.

Yes. So Daniel will coordinate that. And mayor, can I also ask maybe for a report on if our ordinances don't allow for any kind of enforcement because I feel like there's an issue like this as well above and when I say above, I mean to the east of the junior high in some of those neighborhoods, the streets are real narrow and sometimes there's there's cars that are being worked on in the public rideway even sometimes. And so I'm just curious is if our ordinance doesn't allow for us to make sure that that those places are safe and then maybe we do need to review our ordinance.

Daniel, can you not address that, but can maybe send us an email on that and kind of let the ch council know on some of that stuff? Okay. And Mr. Bushman will follow up with you. Thank you. All right. Is there anyone else for open session would like to come forward? Okay. If not, we'll go ahead and close open in session and move on to if uh council me council members look uh I won't read through the consent items, but we have consent items here for and and I'll take a motion. I make the motion that we approve approve tonight's consent agenda items. Motion by council member Malone. Do I have a second? Second. Second by council member Anderson. All those in favor? I It's unanimous. Thank you.

All right, we'll move on to number seven. We don't have any board, commission, or committee appointments tonight. Um, we do have number eight. We do have one uh presentation just serve city proclamation. And who's going to take care of that for us, Scott? Oh, you want me to take care of it? Okay, I can take care of it. We didn't put your name on it, but I I believe you're the one that's been working on it.

Yeah, thank you. Okay. Um, we did have some uh the Just Serve uh it's called the Just Serve City Program, and I'll I'll send this out to all the council members. It's my fault. Sorry, not following through on that. Um, and some of you may be familiar with that. Um, uh, I'll just read their first paragraph. Just Serve believes in spreading hope, goodness, and unity through the vital role of volunteerism. With motivated individuals and communities, we can build united and humorous societies. Just Serve City program in conjunction with the free Just Serve volunteer program links individuals from every walk of life with local service projects. Through this program, we strive to partner with and recognize cities for their efforts. Together, we can recognize individuals for the selfless efforts that they are making to bring hope and goodness to others. Justserve.org uh strives to make it easier for residents to find and engage in volunteer opportunities and we'll regularly acknowledge and celebrate the contributions of volunteers. And I'll send that more out to you. It's basically them wanting to help us uh serve. And I think uh Dion, have you worked with with them? Can you come up for just a second? We're gonna put you on the spot here.

And so what we're trying to do is we're trying to become a just serve city and then also become a what they call a global just serve city. But it enables us then to uh recognize uh individuals within our community uh who who qualify for these. Go ahead. Yeah. So the past two years, I believe it's in September

that we do the day of service with just Serve and they've probably completed 15 or 20 projects citywide. Uh it's it's a huge amount of people and it you know we support them and and supplies that they need and getting those people and individuals uh whatever they need to accomplish their their project and it's it's us that comes up with the projects and then they support us and help us accomplish that. So it's a it's generally like a half a day on a Saturday. So great. They're really good to work with. And then it's the National Day of Service. So, it's a nationwide thing. It's usually the second Saturday in September. I believe this last year was like the 11th or something. Yeah. Of September.

I mean, initially it was tied to September 11th and but it is usually the second Saturday. Okay. Thank you, Dion. And then, like I said, they they do then recognize individuals uh within the Just Serve. It's called the Just Serve Hero Award. And if you have any suggestions, email them to me and to Dion and and we'll we'll recognize that. Um I don't know. Do we need to take a motion for Tina? Do we need to take a motion for this for the proclamation? Sure. I'll uh I'll entertain a motion to approve the just serve proclamation. Well, mayor, I'll make a motion that we approve the just serve city proclamation. Okay. We have a motion by council member. Do I have a second?

Second. Second by council member Leone. All those in favor? I I Okay, you're official there. And then Scott, I'll I've signed this and then Wendy I think they said we can either send this in or we can give it to the representative. They'll send it in then they'll come present to us in a council meeting that we are now we're official. We're official now. So that'd be great.

Awesome. Okay. All right. We'll move into our public hearings. Uh item number 9A, public hearing to consider ordinance 2026-012, amending the transportation master plan adding projects in the Pleasant Grove 700 South Industrial Corridor safety upgrade project and providing for effective date. Director Winterton, welcome.

Thank you. We we have amended the transportation master plan before. uh an amendment is different than a redo. And so I just wanted to show you uh the the road we're talking about 700 South um from basically Geneva Road to North County Boulevard. We have made the the necessary uh amendments in the regional transportation plan to to make this road regionally significant. Now the reason that's important is once it's regionally significant is we can then ask MAG or the Mountainlands Association of Government for help with funding on different types of projects. So we have uh made it regionally significant. We have made our technical uh presentation to uh move forward with some projects and now we need to amend our master plan to include these projects in our overall master plan so that uh that we can check that box essentially on that application. So 700 South, as you're aware, uh runs in front of public works, crosses some train tracks. Um we just had a couple of local maps here. This is to orient those who may not be as familiar as you are. I'm just giving the presentation uh with a little bit briefer updates compared to what we might have given it to people outside of our community. We did a study uh to show what projects may be needed. We counted the traffic. Uh, Avenue Consultants performed that for us.

Uh, 1300 west and 700 south as you can see there. And maybe you're familiar with that. Uh, warranted a signal under the MUTCD manual on uniform traffic control devices. This is not my decision. I don't go out and say, you know what, we need a signal there. You get one, you get one. I'm not Oprah of of signals or or that matter. There's some mathematics and some analysis that are involved. We showed that there's some backups in the morning. Um some buses, some heavy trucks use that. Uh we also requested uh counts at 800 West and 700 South. This is a future business that is currently under construction. We anticipate more uh traffic going there. And so if we can do this in conjunction or in the same time move some power poles, there's some economies scale there. And so we also had the study performed and uh a a signal light was warranted. You can see this car is actually coming clear over into the to the shoulder. That's not the travel lane that that car is in. took that picture showing that people are are backing up there.

And that's Spectrum Academy right in the background there. It happens to be that intersection as well. Yeah. Yeah. That's we're hoping that uh we can we can help alleviate some of those concerns and congestion there.

Some pictures there. We also have a set of train tracks right there. Uh if you're familiar with that's our main street or Geneva Road. We want to upgrade the intersection uh here at Geneva Road with some new sidewalk uh to complete some connectivity and then also create sidewalk across those railroad tracks. You can see that pedestrians will cross and you can see tire marks on th that narrow entryway. Uh we have some big trucks that use that turn. Um we just with with the way things go, you have to continue to improve your roads and your intersections and uh the the sidewalk just dies right there. We'd like to get the railroad crossing safer, get the pedestrians across. It is used. Um we have UD do UTA support. Uh any questions related to that?

Council member questions. What what's before you is our own transportation master plan amendment to include these projects in our master plan. Is that I think you mentioned something with regard to to funding these projects. Is that is is that part of the reason why we need to change the the master plan? That is correct. Part of the application says is or are these projects part of your transportation master plan? Once we have this on our application, we can mark yes and submit our application for that funding. Excellent. Thank you. Question on about the it being regionally significant. I was that the term?

Yes. Just to catch me up to speed is I that's probably a technical definition. What what does that mean?

Regionally significant means it connects uh two collectors that connect other cities. And so if you look at the the grid network um of this road, you can see that it it connects um State Street, Geneva Road, North County Boulevard, uh and our PG Boulevard. So when you add all that into combination, uh the the board looks at that, UD do looks at that, the people who make those decisions make a recommendation and it becomes regionally significant. Some of the regionally significant roads in our community are 2600 north connecting east to west 4,000 north east to west multiple communities. Uh first east um 1300 west was considered regionally significant with north county

traffic. While you do that, maybe my thought is it doesn't sound like you had to do anything to make it regionally significant, but just track and define to state it in the report that it is. Is that these these uh traffic counts and then petitioning with the traffic counts and the map that way uh allowed it to become that? Yeah. Well, and then the 1300, what we call 1300 West that turns into, I think, Lynon 2000. Correct. Eventually, we'll have the on andoff ramp there. Correct. Yeah. We're trying to be proactive.

Uh find funding. This is this is later funding, but uh in terms of regionally significant projects, this is pretty small. I know that you're like, "Wait a minute, two signals and railroad crossing and all this, but uh there's an opportunity potentially here where we can get say 2028 funding or 2030 funding. The city can self-fund this and then get reimbured through that. So, uh we're hopeful that we'll get funded and uh and then we'll proceed from there." So, would the project be completed before 2028 and then funded then like a reimbursement then? Are you saying the project wouldn't be done until like 2028? No, that's when the funding for which we are applying.

Okay. So, it would be done before then though. I if if we can make it work out. Okay. I mean Denise mentioned I I prefer not to work in pennies. I generally work in literally hundreds of thousands of dollars in my mind. I tens of thousand dollars at best. And uh I think with the the combination of some funding with impact fees and other we can build it and then reimburse ourselves with the funding that comes available at that time. But we'll we'll have those discussions uh when we get approved for funding for the project.

Okay. Well, I this is more of a comment than a question, Neil, but I just want to say that I appreciate you focusing on this area because I think it also is an important place for that for Spectrum. I think you had on one of your slides that is a regional school where people commute into it because it's a specialty school and it's here in our city and I think uh this is making good headway to make it safer to get into that school and there are some kids that walk and ride the bus and I think that uh it shows our commitment to also finding places and ways to make our school safer. So thank you Neil. And on top of that, that same street at that hour, not only are parents dropping off their kids, but it's also that's when people are going to work. Yeah.

And the work has increased. Those locations for businesses has increased along that street. And we're on the agenda tonight have a project in front of Spectrum. In fact, yeah. In fact, on 700, we have one, two, three, four. So, yeah. All right. Yeah. This is not something that that just came up. We we've actually been working on this for, you know, over a year's time to get to this point and and we're happy and hopeful and and pretty confident that we'll get uh our funding for this. Great. That's great.

We'll stay close public hearing at this time. Then uh we'll open it up for uh public hearing com comment and so if you have any comments, please come forward. Okay, seeing that we'll close our public hearing and bring it back up here to Director Winterton. Do you have any additional That's all I have. Thank you. Okay, council. With that said, then I'll entertain a motion. May I make a motion that we approve ordinance 2026-012 amending the transportation master plan. Motion by council member Anderson. Do I second by council member Rogers? This will be a roll call uh vote. Uh council member Anderson. Yes. Council member Leone.

Yes. Council member Rogers. Yes. Council member Williams. Yes. And Council Member Phillips. Yes.

Okay. It's unanimous. Thank you. Thank you, director. Um, next item is 9B public hearing to consider ordinance 2026-4 to amend section 10-6-2 definitions section 10-9 A-10 building height in rural residential zone and section 10-9B-9 building height in R1 zones. The pro purpose of this uh proposed text amendment is to amend the definition for building height in section 10-6-2 and provide for effective date in sections 10-9A-10 and 10-9B-9. Director Cardinis, that's a lot of section.

That was a lot, huh? That was a lot. Yeah.

That's what we go every week. every week when we have to decide exactly how we're gonna notice an item, make sure that it's clear for everybody because believe me, in five years, someone's going to look at it and they need to make sure that it's clear what what we were doing. Okay. So, uh, mayor and council, what we have in front of us is a code text amendment, uh, to modify the definition, uh, of of building height, how we measure building height. Okay. Uh let me tell you how we came to this uh to to start working on this on this ordinance. Uh you guys have been the recipients of emails from some uh neighbors and concerned neighbors of um subdivisions that the when a subdivision starts getting in place and then the neighbors realize what's going to happen next to them. They immediately have some some questions and concerns. Right? in my line of work, I get uh the developers coming to my front counter and tell me exactly what they want to do. Um but also I get the neighbors that come and talk to me and and and are concerned and they have some questions about it. So I get both sides. So this orance is trying to kind of like meet in the middle and trying to figure something out that can still work for both sides. Okay. So, we're going to go to planning 101. And that's a um I'm going to use the mouse. There we go. Let me see if I can do this. Here we go. This is how we It's a very simplistic way, but I did just so we can kind of have a visual of how we do it and what change we're making. Okay. Imagine that before this homes uh comes into place and this is the the front door. Uh this is the original grading is the red line right there. That's a natural grade. We're gonna call it original grade or natural grade. Okay, that's what's existing. And that happens in a lot of infield development. Okay. Every time we turn around and we see a lot that hasn't been developed, there's a natural grade. That's where

the where the dirt uh the the grading of the dirt. Eventually, as a a subdivision comes into in into place, there's going to be some changes because now we got to make sure that it drains toward the road and it makes sure that the that the sewer has enough uh um tilt and we got to make sure that it matches the existing road. So many things come into into play and then there's a race of the grade. So there's a finish grade as you guys have seen that there they haul dirt and they try to level it out or or race it up and stuff like that. Okay. So this is a natural grade. This red line, this blue line right here, this is the finished grade. Pretty typical. Pretty typical. Okay. Right now, our code says that the way we measure the height of a building is what this blue line is from here from the average of uh uh finish grade to the maximum or or or the top the top uh height. Okay. Uh the peak of the structure. That's how we measure. So we measure from here from the blue line till right here. And our code says that the maximum height is 35 ft. Okay. So that's how we review it. Now we know we don't see a plan like this. This is just this is just to give us an idea. But we measure all the sides and we make sure that it's below the 35 ft. Again, we only take into consideration the blue line. We measure from the blue line to there. All right. Um so that's that's that's practically I mean that's how we do it. However, uh like I say in our response to the to our our residents and to our concerned neighbors, they're they're they're asking me, well, what happens when the grading is raised way too much? How are we going to figure that out? It's gonna I I've been telling my staff this all the the easiest pieces of land to

develop, they already developed. We're facing the ones that that that has certain geographical constraints, something like that. So what we are proposing now is that we study before I get there we study multiple ordinances. We actually went and measured probably 20 homes and we review multiple plans and we try to figure out a way that is kind of like a balance. And what we're proposing is that we find now an average from existing grade or natural grade to finish grade and measure from that average to the peak of the roof of the structure. In other words, we're not only going to see finish grade, but we're going to try to see where the natural grade where the existing grade was, find an average, a midpoint, and measure from there. Okay? It's kind of like a compromise, right? So, we're trying to find that middle point and measure from there. Is it going to have an effect? Yes, it's going to affect some homes because they may have to be a little a little shorter. However, 35 ft is is plent. Recently, we had a code that says that the maximum height of a d maximum height of a dwelling was 35 feet or two and a half stories, whichever it was more restrictive. And we eliminated the two and a half and we left it at 35 for for uh to help us a lot. We're trying to figure out ways that we can measure the right way but also take it into consideration now we're throwing into the mix now the the grade. Okay. So that's pretty much what what we are doing at this point. Let me go to the next drawing. It's just a different example again. Red line natural grade existing one. Okay. Now,

someone comes and they have to fill in and they go and fill in because maybe they they they want to for geographical reasons, topographical reasons, they raise it and the way our code is written right now, we will measure from this line right here and then we'll go up 35. If we were measure it from original grade, this home wouldn't be able to be built because they would be too tall. However, we're going to find the middle point and go from there and it will still fit. It will still fit, but it will stop for something taller to go in. All right. So, having said that, I'm going to show you what the language says. Now, we changed the definitions. Now, the definition of how we're going to measure uh uh height is going to be the average uh elevation between the natural grade and the proposed finished grade. So, now we're taking into consideration uh natural grade. find the middle point and measure from there. Okay, we present this to the planning commission couple times. We went back and forth. They send it back a couple times and we did it like that. Um, one thing that the planning commission suggest suggested later on is to put an applicability uh clause right here that says the definition of a building high shall apply to all new developments within the old single family residential zones with with subdivisions that have been approved after after today. Meaning that if I if I all the subdivisions that have been approved before today, they will fall until the the old rule. The old rule, we still do it on the on the old rule. But anything from today forward, then we'll have to be they need to take a finish grade and natural grade into consideration. Okay, that's what I uh have uh mayor, city council, we presented this to the the planning commission, like I said a couple times. We went back and forth until we finally got a unanimous recommendation of approval to have it

this way. Okay, great. Thank you, director. Any questions for Director Cardinus? I Well, one, I just wanted to make sure that the record's clear. It says April 14th, not today's date. So, I wanted to make sure that everyone that's listening publicly, it doesn't go into an effect until April 14th. I I live in the future. Sorry, it's March. March. I'm actually gonna figure finish it right here. That date. Sure, council. I mean, in the Yeah. Okay. There you go. Okay. Yeah. March 24th. Thank you. So, they just we can leave that up and then when whoever makes the motion can put that in there.

But I'm glad you you call your in one spot it says April 24th and then another spot it said April 14th. So, yeah. Sorry. But it's is after today. Okay. Which so it should be March 24th. So we should amend it to be March 24th. Okay. We didn't know when we're going to bring it to the city council and that's why there was a confusion on the date. But it's March 24th. Is it is it pretty easy to in determine the natural grade and the finish grade so that you can actually average them or is this going to be a huge burden on us? Um the finish grade is going to be pretty easy. That's that's showing the plans. That makes sense.

Uh the natural grade will take a little bit extra work, but it's it's a it's extra work that staff is willing to take in order to help the residents to feel more um uh to feel that we're doing something about this. It's a concern that they usually have is probably the number one concern when a new subdivision comes is the the height of the building. So, it will be a little bit more work. I I talked to my staff already. We figure out how we're going to do it. uh an applicant comes to us before they even uh start working on their plans and it's something that we're going to bring up that we need to know the natural grade before. So, it will take an extra step, but we we'll do it.

All right. Any other questions before we open it up? Okay. All right. Since this is a public hearing, we'll go ahead and open it up to the public. If you have any comments, please come forward and just state your name. I thought this was what everyone was here for, but I guess I guess Oh, here we go. Okay. And council, thank you for your time. Uh my name is Russ Wilson. I work for Symphony Homes. Um we recently developed the Blossom Hill subdivision off of 200 South. And um I just Yeah, I'm I we've kind of been tracking this ordinance for a little while. It's been concerning because we've we've got some lots in that subdivision that would be negatively impacted by this. So, I'm grateful to staff for working and collaborating to include the grandfather grandfather clause because I I think we definitely need that. Um, we have a there was a stub street that came into our subdivision that we had to connect into and it was a really steep drop off off the end of the stub street. It was almost 20 feet. So, we built this road up 20 ft tall and now the lots that we have on either side are you know the native grid is essentially 20 ft down. So um this ordinance

ramblers ramblers with very low roofs. So that that was our concern and yeah well actually we've got the opposite problem on on the other end of our subdivision where the lots go uphill. So yeah actually that can make those homes be even taller um based on the averaging. But anyways just just wanted to Thank you. Um I think we're we're glad that our preapproved project is great. Thank you for your comments. Thank you. Anyone else?

Welcome.

Hello. Good evening. Uh my name is Haley Pratt. I'm here representing Castlewood Development. We built Sienna Heights and again I I I want to repeat what Symphony said, Russell. Um we really do appreciate staff and and just the city and how you've accommodated what our concerns have been. We built our project based off of city code um as at the time and and we built the road, you know, with staff direction and now we we have a road. we can't really adjust anything at this point and so adding this date is really impactful to us and um we appreciate it. So, thank you. Awesome. Thank you. Anyone else?

Come on forward.

More of just a general question. Justin Nelson, you guys probably seen him here before.

We Yes. Um, like they've kind of said before, natural grade is a hard thing to do because especially way a lot of these subdivisions are being built. Natural grade is going to throw you down when they have to build the roads up. So, it makes it really, I guess, hard on builders. Some place it may not matter. The benches are really particularly tricky. Um, I don't know if this is an allfits-all just due to Pleasant Grove topography and so I don't know if it's going to be benefit overall to make it 35 ft. I mean, my my house would probably be out of code on one side but not the other to natural grade. So, how do you determine where you take that line? I guess is probably

and we'll and we'll have director come up after you finish. We'll have him come up and address any. Yeah. Yeah. So, I guess that was probably my general question. It was just how do you determine where we set natural grade for a lot of our topography, I guess, would be the biggest thing. Okay. Okay. Thank you. All right. Director, come on back up. Unless you want to address from there.

Yeah. Well, there's there's a a topography study that needs to be done before every subdivision comes in. We're going to be requiring that. So, we'll see what the natural grade is. And then we look for the average. We look uh we look for we're going to see how much is going to be raised, find the average, and we also look for the average of the height of the structure. It's not just on one side. So, if in one side is is is 35 and then the other side is 30, then the average is 32. So we see the four points and with the four corners so as multiple corners not just one. But um mayor I would like to take just just a minute. I would like to say that for us to work on this ordinance it took us a a long time to go back and forth. We like I said we review multiple multiple different cities ordinances and we talk to the developers the residential developers to come to our city and we have to accommodate their their their ideas and desires with also the ideas and desires of our current existing residents. I think we were amicable to listen to what the developers have to say. And I just want to use couple sex to say that this is also a a kind of like I would like to encourage the residential developers to listen to the neighbors a little bit. In some cases they have a project say how about a couple trees that will help that that will help a lot or or let's let's work on a burm or let's try to figure out a fence something like that. And and we always uh tell the residents talk to the developers talk to the developers. So it's the same way that's how we were amicable and trying to find a middle point. I just I would like to encourage developers and residents to to have that conversation and make sure that they can reach to to middle points as well.

Great. Thank you. I forgot to close our public hearing but we'll close it at this time and then we'll come back to director here. Do we have any additional questions yet?

I did. Yeah. So I mean it brings up a good question. And so if on if on a lot they lower the grade, so then the average actually falls above the final grade, theoretically they would have a house taller than 35 ft from the actual final grade because they could move it from the average between final and natural. So if they dig down a lot because they have to put in a big retaining wall on the back and the natural grade slopes up significantly. My argument I'm just maybe as a lawyer I would say okay so the average grade is actually higher than the fi final grade by 15 feet. So, I'm going to build a 50 foot house because that's only 35 feet from the average grade. That would be allowed under this ordinance, wouldn't it?

Yes. Al although it would be almost impractical because sewer won't work out. You have to like pump it up. It will be extremely difficult for the drainage. You will be like all the water will come toward your house. And not just that, but if you sink it out also, what we're trying to protect is the view of the neighbors. So, if you sink it out, then doesn't I'm not talking about it out. I'm talking about if you have

an a a grade up on the bench where the grade of you have a road coming in here and then the grade of the lot comes up and then you have to dig it down in order to make it maybe buildable. Well, if you take the natural grade of that, right? I mean, you get to take a fairly high natural grade and then you have a fairly low finished grade and then you have a middle grade in the middle. That's the average, this green line that we're talking about. Wouldn't this ordinance then allow me to build 35 feet from the average? So, I could build a 50-ft house theoretically if there was a 15 foot if there was a 30 foot difference.

Yeah. Right. And so I mean I mean I guess it's up against a wall at the a wall at this point so we don't care but again that that seems stories down. Yeah. Yeah. But think about this that usually there's there's not a single lot that that happens. So it's similar the topographical constraints or um details that you're expressing is not pertaining to just one lot. So it happens to the other lot. So meaning the other lots are also a little higher than than that. So, if you want to sink the house and measure from there still, it will be it won't go over the 35 ft that you're that we're describing as the other homes can go a little higher as well. Does that make sense? Well, I'm just thinking of a subdivision by me that's across um 20 that's across Canyon View, Canyon Road

on the east side on the east side. It's the old Wadley Farm there. this big, gorgeous, beautiful house being built up along the just below the canal canal trail and they had to dig out quite a bit of dirt in order to build that house and there's a big retaining wall behind it.

Well, so I'm I'm just asking if we've thought about this, right? Because theoretically that house could have been built probably 50 to 55t tall because of the average grade compared to where their finished grade is at now. And so I mean I'm just saying are we okay with that I guess is the question because I think this ordinance would allow us to that person to do that. what we had in mind again the intent was not going higher than was existing and and and doing it like that I don't think it will higher than existing and I don't know if uh if Neil understood exactly the the the process because engineering will help me a lot determine exactly where the grading will be the final grading of it's not that everybody can raise it right they need to meet what the road is so

I think to protect what you're saying is to say or 35 ft from finished grade Max max whichever is more restrictive. I agree. But that's not in that's not in the current code. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't I didn't

the the existing grade and natural grade we can find out because every subdivision now comes in with existing contours. We have Google Earth. We have we have the tools necessary to establish natural grade. Now, uh, even going back, if someone tried to excavate and five years later come back, we have the tools necessary to be able to flesh that out. So, it's no more difficult to determine average height from finish grade because some people build their lots like this and do this and and and so that part is not an issue. But I agree to add a maximum height from finish grade would be a good addition if it's not already there. Okay, thank you.

I I drew a little bit of what you were saying, Council Rogers, and I can't Well, it's hard for me to draw it right now on the spot, but if you want to continue it, and I'll draw it and I can show how uh I'll bring it back to you. I see it very impractical, but I can bring it back to you and and show it what But adding that portion to and bringing it to planning commission can help us a lot. If you guys want to continue that, and we for sure can continue it and uh uh bring it back to you to address that. And I think I I I drew what you were saying and I can visit the site and and figure it out to give you an answer to that. So council, you have an option here to do that. Continue the item to a set date or

continue for a few minutes. Okay. No, what I'm saying is I I can visit the site then I can do a drawing kind of like this. So and because I would like to bring it back to planning commission then it doesn't change. Yes, sir. I can just ask a question.

Yeah, the way it's written right now, it goes from average. That's correct. I think the way it's written right now is you go from the green line no matter where it is. Yeah. Which would allow it to go to 50 ft in your example.

Maximum 35 from finished. Does that work Tina? Wait from finished or from um I will say as how it's written with the addition of or 35 ft from finish grade whichever is more restrictive. Yes. Okay. So, I already Yeah. Go ahead.

Unless there's some really matters tonight. I would suggest continu. The only thing I would suggest on top of that if we're going to do that is is if you can play with the concept and see if there's a scenario that you can think of where it would be detrimental to have that max statement on there where does that hurt it somehow and just maybe consider that. And if you can't think of it then then I'm fine with it. But if there's a potential detriment and maybe consult with your builders who do this every day and see what they think. But

um as you can see, I show you guys three of these ones. We did 20, but I didn't took a scenario like that. But that's why I said I'll visit the site that you you talked to me about. Yeah, I I'll I'll visit it. I'll map it out and then we'll bring it to planning commission, discuss it, and bring it back to you guys. Great. So maybe your April 14th date is just fine. No, because Ah, there you go. I was living in the future. I was living in the future. I told you guys I was living plan comes together. No, but I I I would recommend the next one because I would like to bring it back to planning commission if we're going to do that exercise. the one after April 14.

I also just had another question because we are doing a lot of infield and I have again I have this area I have this issue in in my area because we have a lot of steep grades kind of going around my neighborhood and that is that are there developments where we would not be able to put a road in and have adequate sewer drainage with houses that would then be like little hobbit houses, you know, that'd end up being 15 foot high. Like how do we deal with that? I I'm there that piece of property for instance I'm thinking of by the stake center that I go to that was that one I'm sure is maybe the impetus behind some of what we're talking about here today. They built it up and I think they had to build the road up though in order to get the sewer drainage correct. Maybe they didn't have to build it quite as high as they did.

You're right. And so that neighborhood would not have been able to be developed with this ordinance on the books. It it would it would it would have still that I guess that would have been a but it wouldn't have two and a half stories or three stories probably will be a a two stories or a rambler type of situation but it will still be able to develop. There's still uh there's still still going to be uh options to remediate. No ordinance will cover everything. Yeah. So there's always a chance to go for a variance or something like that. So there's there's avenues to explore.

Okay. But uh we're trying to cover as many as many spikes or as many offs as possible. So we'll we'll review the one that you're mentioning. Uh but like some of these developments that we're talking about, they they will be able to just not as high as they would like to do. Like we won't be able to do three stories or to do two and a half or they will have to cover the basement or something like that. Yeah. All right. Um you had some great comments from the public. So I I hope you get with Daniel and give you further input on this. Is that okay? All right. Um, so then council, I'll entertain a motion. Then it looks like we're going to continue this to April 14th. April Oh, sorry. No, he's going to take it back through planning comm to to date to a date certain. We'll renotice it.

Okay. Does that work, Tina? You want to That's fine. We'll renotice it. Okay. All right. We'll renotice. So, I'll take a motion to continue this item. I guess I'll make a motion to continue the public hearing on ordinance 2026-004 to uh to no particular date in the future but to subject to renotice. I will renotice it. Okay. We have a a motion by Council Member Rogers, a second by Council Member Leone, and this will be a roll call. Uh Council Member Leone, yes. Council Member Rogers, yes. Council member Anderson, yes. and Council Member Williams. Yes. And Council Member Phillips.

Yes. All right. We have a motion to continue. Thank you, Director. Um we're uh 10 C is uh we've moved that to April 14th. So, we're on to 10 uh 9D, a public hearing to consider ordinance 2026-13 to amend section 10-15-28, design, review, and amend the requirements of design of new buildings, including residences. Director Cardennis, welcome back.

Thank you. You'll have me here for quite some time now. Um, council, mayor, councel, uh, the ordinance that we're proposing to amend is to, uh, eliminate a extra portion of our code. Uh, I have it right here. Give me a second. Uh, 10 code 101528, design review. Okay. So, in our code, we have multiple zones and we have designs for every single zone. Okay. We have a specific designs for what's going to happen in the downtown. We have designs for what's going to happen in the growth. We have the type of materials that are needed. We have the type of uh the height. We have designs for every single family residential uh zone. So we do have a specific designs for districts or or or zones. However, we have another portion of code 101528 which I think is a remnant of what it in the past with different districts and um it's it's very um the way that we when we're trying to apply it is very subjective. It's very subjective and difficult to apply and sometimes it goes against what we already have existing in in our existing code. I'll give you an example. For example, I'll give an example. Uh I have something right here that I prepared for you guys. This what we have in the left is is very objective is what we already have in our code. Okay, this is uh um rules and regulations for the single family zone. For example, and this is what's in this in this portion of the code. For example, in the new portion of the code says, "New buildings, including residences, should be made sympathetic to scale, form, size, and proportion of existing buildings. This can be done by repeating building lines and surface treatments and by requiring some uniformity of detail, scale, proportion, texture, materials, colors, and building forms.

But it doesn't tell us how. It's complicated because uh it's very subjective. We have many cases when the neighbors come to us and says well my neighbor's house is not sympathetic to to my house in uh in a scale and and you know when I'm at the front counter I'm thinking okay how do you don't see sympathetic in a scale because I I live in a rambler this is a real case I live in a rambler and they're building a two-story home so I need you to force them to build a singlestory home to to make it sympathetic and then I I'm thinking well I go to the code that we actually have in the zones that tell me the specific height 35 feet that's the height of the building. Okay, in this in this zone um and then for a staff I can apply this I can review this I can approve or deny based on objective code that we already have existing. The other one is very difficult to implement is extremely complicated to to to even to um to review. Okay, here's another example. Uh, the height and bulk of new buildings should be rel related to the prevailing scale of development to avoid overwhelming or dominated existing development. How like he doesn't tell me how. So, uh, a neighbor and again this has happened multiple times comes to us and says like my doors are not that tall. My neighbor's doors are quite tall. Like I need you to tell them not to that they can't do that. and and it's complicated for staff. What do you say on those on those moments? Right? Said, well, the design is not similar to what I have. I have something in my code that says in an R1 zone, all buildings, including accessory buildings and structures structures should not cover more than 40% of the area of the lot or parcel of land. Right there, it's telling me if it's 41, it's something I can measure, something that I can apply. If it's 41, I deny it. If it's 40 or less, I I I

approve it. So again we have uh different um existing code right here on the right that is the the one that we are eliminating that is very subjective is contradictory to what we have and very difficult to implement. Okay. Um for example again the bulk of new buildings how do I control the bulk of a new building but the code that already exists tells me 40%. You have a lot and you can't occupy 40%. Anything more than 40% then you're coming out of the bulk of the building. So that's how that's what we have right there. Um here's another example in the code that we're proposing to eliminate. It says building addition should be designed to reflect existing buildings in a scale materials and colors. But how? Again the existing code tells me for example that additions to or accessory buildings larger than 500 square feet should match the primary dwelling. It's telling me right I can I can review that. I can approve that or deny that. And in the case when they're building a metal or vinyl or other seal u uh material like that on a carp or a garage, there needs to be a WS code 30%. So it is more specific. It's not subjective, but it's objective. The reality is that the other code is is creating a lot of um hard and is complicated to measure to apply it. I want to make sure that we're not running away from designed standards. Every zone has its own design standards. The Grove has its own design standards. Single family residentials have its own design standards. Downtown have its own design standards. Just these ones are really coming to um uh contradiction to what we already have. Okay, that's what I have. Mayor and council.

Great. Council, do you have any questions for director Cardinos? We're cleaning that up and making it more specific so better to understand. Thank you. Thank you. All right. This is our public hearing. So, we'll go ahead and open our public hearing at this time. If you have any comments, please come forward and state your name. All right. Seeing no uh public comments, we'll go ahead and close our public hearing, bring it back up here to the council. Do you have any additional questions for the director? If not, I'll entertain a motion.

Mayor, I'll make the motion to approve ordinance to amend section 10-15-38. Um, I'm sorry, that's the wrong one. How about I approve uh ordinance 2026-13 to amend section 10-15-28 uh as presented. Great. We have a motion by Council Member Phillips. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Council Member Leone. This will be a roll call vote. Uh, Council Member Phillips, yes. Council member Williams, yes. Council member Leone, yes. Council member Rogers, yes. And Council Member Anderson, yes.

Okay, unanimous. Thank you. All right, that ends our public hearings for tonight. We're going to move on to our action items ready for vote. 10A to consider commercial site plan located at approximately 545 South Pleasant Grove Boulevard, Sam Whites Lane neighborhood for a retail bank branch building in the Grove commercial sales sub district. Applicant Taylor Smith, Director Cardennis.

Council mayor, this is actually for a for a credit union and is uh in the corner of 550 South and Pleasant Grove Boulevard. It's across the street from the Hyatt. Let me bring this map and this is going to help us see. Pretty sure when you guys guys drive through the boulevard, you've seen this empty lot right there. Here's the Hyatt. So, it's across the street from the Hyatt. Okay. So, what the applicant is pro is proposing is um I'm going to go back to my images on that side is to come up with a um Cypress Credit Union. Okay. Uh again, this is uh Plen uh Grove Boulevard. This is 550 and we can see the building will be located on the on the corner on the corner of the lot. U the applicant did a good job working on the setbacks and the landscape area as you can see how uh how thick I'm going to say but the it meets the the requirements uh of the zone in regards to landscape. Um the the site for example requires only 11 parking stalls and the applicant is providing uh 52. So, he's going excited on the on the parking lot. I mean, they know better than their requirements, right? And um we brought this item to the design review board, and the design review board was uh glad to see the use of the heavy use of glass on the facade, which is a a material highly recommended on the zone. It's in the growth zone in the commercial district. And uh they they u sent a recommendation of approval. We also showed this to the planning commission. We presented to the planning commission the site plan, the landscape plan and they forwarded a unanimous recommendation of approval for a new uh credit union and we welcome them to to our city.

Great. Director, do we have any questions for the director? Uh I will see is Taylor Smith here the applicant. Looks like not any questions? No, just yeah, I think everything looks good to you, right? I think it was unanimously approved by the planning commission. So,

yeah, more than that also uh staff did the review, planning and zoning did the review, engineering did the review, and a project like this just to give us an idea the fastest we can do is is more than a couple months to get something like this because we review every single thing, every material, every parking lot and and landscape and everything like that. The landscaping across the street, not at the Hyatt, but it's some of those buildings kind of near the Burger King looks pretty dead. We'll take a look. I just want their landscaping maybe to survive longer than a couple years. And this is directly east of the Hyatt House. Yes. Yeah. I I'll show you right here the area again. We have the roof that's to the east of it. Yeah.

Yeah. So, this is the this is the Hyatt and the Golden West is right up there at that blue roof, right? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And Central Bank's right down the road. Yeah. All right. Uh with that, I'll entertain a motion. M. All right. I'll make a motion that we approve the commercial site plan. We have a motion by Council Member Anderson. Do we have a second? Second. Second by Council Member Leone. And all those in favor?

I I Looks like unanimous. Welcome to the hood. There we go. Um, moving on to item 10B to consider a one lot preliminary commercial subdivision plat located at approximately 877 West 700 South Sam Whites Lane neighborhood called Miler Industrial Subdivision Plat B on approximately 1.99 acres in the business and manufacturing park BMP zone. Applicant Ryan Little Oh, am I saying it right? Lit licky licky licky and director Cardennis hopefully he's here he'll correct me. So

all right the next three items this one and the next three items uh are about the same project but let's go one by one so then when we make the motions we don't uh mess it up. Not that you guys will but so this is Spectrum Academy right here. Okay. uh Sam White Lane and 800 West. This area right here is already platted. So the the address that the mayor just read is for this uh still a rectangle, almost a square, but the rectangle right there. We're talking um let me go back to the images that I have right here. And it's a it's a almost a twoacre lot. uh two acre uh yeah twoacre lot that of course is being subdivided is being reviewed the we're making sure that the dimensions are correct and of course is for a a development that we're going to um see that I'm going to explain in the next couple of minutes but again it's a it's a single single plat commercial plat in the BMP zone we present this to the planning commission and it received a unanimous recommendation of approval from them and from the engineering Are we gonna we're going to handle like you said 10 B, C, and D. Is that correct?

You want me to do it like that? You want to make a motion as we talk? We can do that. Okay. Okay. All right. So, the idea of what the applicant is doing or we just presented is to plat it this one right here. Okay. This rectangle. Now, we're going to call that the whole project is called the North Age project and we're going to call that the west uh lot and the east lot. All right. So, it was platted because the applicant is proposing to come out with a flex space. That area right there is a flex space all the way capital,

right? Flex space capital. Um we have similar uses to the to the west and similar uses to the south as well even across the street and we have more flex space right here. So but again the applicant is pro is proposing to put in this lot that we that we are platting one building. Okay, that will that will be occupied by only one building. That building it's um let me see. Yeah, that building is the one I have right here. Okay. So, again, this is the lot that we just barely uh review. That building will be about 32,000 square feet. 30,000 square feet multi-unit multi multi-unit flex space use. Okay. So, it will have uh the bay doors and it's pretty similar to what's already um for the uses on the surrounding areas. Now, how is the building going to look? It's going to look something like this. All right. So we have the materials. Uh the applicant work hard with the staff because even though is a manufacturing zone um manufacturing business zone, we still wanted some uh landscape and we still wanted some some some requirements on the on the looks of the building and we wanted different materials uh different elevations of the building and we work on that. Also the applicant has his own needs and his own budget I'm pretty sure. So he's trying to we're trying to to make sure that we meet in the middle right there and that he meets the code and that he provides a a good product for the city. Now the next lot or the uh project that we're going to call it the nor edge business park to the east as we can see that one is actually quite large. For that one we can or the applicant is proposing to do two buildings on that one. So in reality

the project has three buildings. one in in the in the um proposed platted and two on an existing subdivision. Okay. What we have right here at the south is right here here right on the south. That's the spectrum academy again that's pointing north. Uh engineering reviewed this this this plan as did planning and zoning. We make sure that it had a plenty of parking. It does meet the requirements of parking. We needed to make sure that there's landscape all around it. Uh and again like I said we talked to the applicant multiple times uh going back and forth on regards of the we wanted a variation of colors. We wanted a variation of elevations of the building trying to kill the the mass of a building. So we just didn't want to have a shoe box right there. So also with the landscape we we work hard because he's the requirements for trees and maybe the applicant can tell you we have a high requirement of trees. So, we needed to make sure that we can put those trees in the in the right place so they won't die later on the process. Okay. So, we work with the applicant on that. This building, I don't know if you guys can see it, but again, there's two buildings. The one on the north is 52,000 square feet and the one on the south is 51520 something like that. So they're quite large buildings but that provides for different type of uses is is having flex space and is right now is is in

it is flex space it's it's uh manufacturing is coming home is the number one is the number one uh but this it's called flex space not because there's flexibility in any use it's called flex space because allows flexibility on having office and slide uh uh manufacturing um manufacturing. Okay, so that's what we have. Again, we presented these three items to the planning commission and um they forward a a unanimous recommendation of approval for the three items. The plat the one building in in the in the lot and the two buildings in the lot to the west to the east. Great. Thank you. Is Ryan here the applicant here?

Do you want to come up? You don't have to, but if you want to come up and address, you don't have to come up if you don't want to, but if you want to come up and Yeah. council. Okay. Welcome. By the way, uh my name is Dustin Cutler here for the North Edge Business Park. Uh my business partner, Ryan Lick, he was the applicant, but he is out with family activity tonight. So, I am here in his state and um yeah, more than happy to answer any questions or Welcome from there. Welcome to town. Well, we actually did the project across the street from it about 10 years ago. So, yeah, we are we are the flex space that is across the street. Some of these units are capital.

These are designed specifically because we have a few tenants that needed larger spaces than uh in our Clear Lake project, which is the four buildings where Blade HQ was at. Yeah. Um there's a carpet store that is moving across to one of these units uh because they've outgrown their current space. And there's a few other tenants over there that are looking for a slightly larger unit. So um I've actually been trying to get Mr. Myar to sell me this property since before we did the Clear Lake um project 10 years ago. And he finally called up like six months ago and said, "If you build me my smaller building, I'll sell you the big lot." So that's kind of how this came about. Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you.

I I I don't know if this is better directed at at you, I'm sorry, or or at at at uh Director Cardinis, but I'm a little concerned if they're huge buildings, if there's going to be large semi-truckss coming in and out, and we have the Spectrum Academy that's sits right behind these big buildings. I don't know if that's something that happens with these size of buildings, a lot of big trucks and semis and things like that. For a house, 50,000 feet sounds big, but to give you a perspective, the buildings next door where like G2G bar is at are roughly 300,000 feet. So 50,000 ft will look pretty tiny comparative to those guys. We didn't do any loading bays or anything. Um right now, to be honest, our carpet store is about the only one that takes semis in that entire Clear Lake development. uh that will be over there, but they are usually our guys come in at 7 o'clock in the morning. I am I am a part owner of the Mountain West wholesale flooring. That's where my office is at. So, I've had the joy of driving down 700 South for the last nine years of going there. So, when you guys were going over the stop lights, I uh

I I see that every morning. It's be much appreciated, especially at 1300 West.

Um so, I would say the the amount of semis is is probably limited. Uh granted we don't know exactly who would come in but we did try to create a corridor down the back which you saw in the architectural. So all the bay doors all the parking and bay doors and car focus will be out of that center that will be the loading area. So all the bay doors in both buildings will be oriented towards that centered. Um, we do know as far as construction, we have already lined up p or fencing. Um, just in the little bit of work we've done over Christmas to try to make sure we didn't interrupt the traffic for the school as far as getting utilities out. Um, we found that the kids will just even if there's heavy equipment, it's like a magnet to them. Like they see a guy in a track hoe and they think they should go shake that guy's hand or something, a few of them. So, um it's been it's been a unique thing, but we are planning on doing security fence all through construction for that exact reason because of course the last thing any of our subs want is finding a kid walking on their scaffolding while the masons are there or still guys are flying still or anything. So, we are somewhat we're cognizant of it. All of us who work along 700 are aware of the traffic that comes up. Um, we were approached by parents from the school asking if if they would just give them a road on the what is the east side of the development so they could horseshoe around and we had to say no because the last thing we can have is 500 cars using the parking lot as a thorough fair in the middle of the afternoon. So, um, I think the light out on 8 at 800 in Sam White will be incredibly helpful. Um, as far as trucks go, without loading bays, it's it'll be a single drop off, but it won't be like something where you have trucks kind of it'll be limited. It'll be temporary use is what I should say. It's not like you're going to have a truck base backed in there 10 at a time and then waiting to load up and then leave again. will be maybe a small business like the carpet

store or something else that comes in that needs a box truck for delivery or anything but no loading base to to really facilitate semi traffic. Great. Thank you and welcome back again. Thank you very much.

Council Roy that was brought up the same idea to planning commission and it was discussed in planning commission. We had the city engineer there and explain how the traffic will flow and how it will work. Um we encouraged since the beginning uh conversations with the developer and the and the school and that's how the idea came about having a road right there. Um they this private property say decided not to put the road right there. Uh but the city engineer like I said review this check into it. The semi discussion came up during planning commission. One of the parents actually asked about that and and uh yes there will be some semis but there will be some at certain times where they will usually uh when there will be bus are when the kids won't be there but yes we discussed that. I asked Neil also to help us a little bit to talk about the how the traffic will flow in this area right here.

Director Winton 800 West is a city street. It is a city street that uh has an entrance for Spectrum Academy right about here. Spectrum Academy um has a responsibility to protect their students. Uh they have a pickup and drop off plan that they haven't been following. Their pickup and drop off plan shows going around

around their school. um down here and and following around this so that cars have the opportunity to queue and pick up, you know, if you can imagine the airport, that shorter pickup and drop off area creates problems. And so right now they come and only use this area for pickup and drop off. And if they were to do what their pickup and drop off plan originally proposed, I have sent multiple emails requesting that they follow that plan uh over the years actually. Um that's not going to solve every problem, but ultimately this is a city road. Uh it's almost used exclusively by Spectrum for pickup and drop off loading uh queuing here. But I will highly encourage the Spectrum school to open that up to either create a bus or or a car pooling system to stagger start and pickup times and drop off times to help alleviate their own site issues that they have. um this property owner has the the requirement to build what's in the zone and to the site requirements which they have. Uh so I don't know if that answers questions but um those are how some information to have.

Council any other questions? Well, I mean, I I I agree that our schools bear the responsibility of making sure that they have a plan that's being followed, but at the same time, we don't want to put kids at risk. Has the Was the school There were some parents apparently that showed up to the plan commission. Was the school contacted and were they did they provide any comment with regard to difficulties this may cause or

Yeah. Well, when we when we send the notices for planning commission, we make every item a public hearing. So that means that we send notices to everybody around. So they've been contacted. Like I said, we encourage from the beginning uh the conversations with them. It looks like as you know, they approached the applicant already. They had some conversations. So they they've been aware of the the site plan coming in place. But nobody on behalf of the school showed up at the planning commission or lodged any comments or complaints with the city. Okay. No. Anything else, council? All right. With that said, we're we're talking about items 10B, C, and D. So, when we make the motion, it'll be for those three three items. We'll have to do them individually. Yeah,

we can't do We can't I thought you said Yeah. Okay, I'll just Yeah, I'll make Yeah, go ahead. A motion for 10B. Sorry. I will. I'll make the motion to consider one lot preliminary commercial subdivision plot located approximately 877 west 700 South Sam Whites Lane called miler industrial subdivision plat B on approximately 1.99 acres in the BMP zone. We have a motion by council member loan. Do I have a second? I'll second. Second by council member Phillips. All those in favor I I

I Okay. Okay. Moving on to item 10 C. Do I have a motion? Mayor, I make a motion that we approve the commercial site plan located approximately 877 West 700 South. We have a motion by Council Member Anderson. Do we have a second? Second. Second. Council member Williams. Okay. And all those in favor? I I unanimous. Thank you. And then finally, uh uh item 10D. Do I have a motion? Mayor, I'll move that we approve uh commercial site plan located approximately 749 West Sam White Lane. We have a motion by Council Member Phillips. Do I have a second? Second.

Second by Council Member Ramone. All those in favor? I I unanimous. Thank you. Okay. All right, Daniel. This one I'm kind of excited about. Um item 10E to consider a request for a commercial site plan for a restaurant located on 108 South County Boulevard in the Grove Interchange subdist Daniel's going to tell us we might get a little emotional. I don't know. We'll see here.

Emotional is the word. Yes. You know, we we always get excited when business comes to our city, right? We get excited and we welcome it. We welcome him with open arms, but my stomach always appreciate a good restaurant, right? And there's we have have so many lately. So many something to uh to counter blessings. Um the site in question is uh right here along North County Boulevard and Mountain View, the new hotel that is is being built in St. Jones properties is right here so we can uh locate ourselves. I'm going to open up open it up a little bit so we can see where this is. And now I'm going to go back to the site. Okay. So again, it's in North County Boulevard and Mount Bane and it's a restaurant about 6,000 square feet. I I wasn't Oh, it says right there, but here comes on the site plan. There you go. They even put it on the sideline. It's a steakhouse. long way to stay house for for for for our city. Uh but recently, like I say, we we opened some amazing restaurants, but this is another one that we add to our city and we are uh grateful to have this opportunity. We review the the the site plan. We actually went a couple times to um to the design review board because the design review board was very specific of what they want to see along North County Boulevard. Um the building as we can see is facing actually the parking lot. Okay. So this is North County Boulevard right here. Actually, let's take a look at that a little better. This is North County Boulevard and the building itself is is facing uh toward the west. Um and the the design review board wanted to make sure that when people drive right here, North County Boulevard that it look pretty, right? I mean, they're the design review board, so they care about design. They care about how many windows they're going to have. they care about the the materials of the door and stuff like that. So, we work back and forth with the with the applicant. Um, as we can

see, the parking will be right here. Uh, they usually have a um, how do I say they have a tendency to provide extra parking of what's needed and that's what they did on on this side. The this is the elevation picture and again this is the west uh the west view or how the front is going to look and and this is difficult to see but the design board work hard on making sure the the where the the right lamps that they have uh the windows right here even though some of them are fault windows because that's where the kitchen will be. So they were trying to also to accommodate the requirements of the design board. We presented to the planning commission um and the planning commission was excited about this and also for a unanimous recommendation of of approval. Like I say, it's been on the works for quite some time and we're excited and we welcome a new uh site to our city. That's what I have. Mayor Council,

any questions? Go ahead. The fact that we can we can go stay in our city and get two stakes. Yes. At two different places, phenomenal stakes. Phenomenal is exceptional. The really cool thing is that this is also shared my parking. So my office building is literally like I park in their office. French onion soup at Marty. This is going to be a blessing. New new uh office meeting location for lunch. Hey, you know love it. We welcome them like say with open arms and there's more to come. So we're excited about about the project in our city. Is the applicant here? Steve, is he here?

Come come on forward. Welcome. We're excited. My name's not Steve. I'm I'm Braden Alab, but I'm with the civil uh on the civil side representing Steve for this project. Yeah. Happy to answer any questions. You'll be opening next week. Is that correct? That's the goal. Yeah. Quick construction turnaround here. What is the expected date? Uh there's not a date set yet, but it'll it'll move quickly into construction hopefully. So like tomorrow or let's hope. Exciting. Thank you. No, I mean like completion. I'm already gonna start making lunch. Any other question? No, but welcome. Welcome to our city. So wonderful.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Daniel. Anything else before we take a motion? All right. I'll entertain a a motion for item 10E. All right, mayor. I make a motion that we approve the commercial site plan for a restaurant located at 1008 South County Boulevard. We have a motion by Council Member Anderson. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Council Member Rogers. All those in favor? I. It's unanimous. Thank you. All right, we're halfway there, Daniel.

Okay. Uh item 10F to consider the request for St. John properties for a two-lot preliminary commercial subdivision plat called Valley Grove Business Park Plat S on approximately 4.55 acres lot located approximately 989 south 1300 west in the business and manufacturing park BMP zone director

thank you mayor council before I actually start this item I want to usually few times I talk about my design review board and their importance I always tell you they for recommendation of approval just to give an idea uh uh Longhorn State House went I think two three times went back to the design view board because they were working out on the materials they they care about the colors they care about the the facade how it's going to look and and and they were working with the applicant at the end of day they they try to again meet in the middle trying to figure things out but just uh few times we we give them the credit they deserve but they they work really hard for our city in regards of materials and colors. Um now the item that we have right in front of us mayor is uh actually the one that you just read and the next one are a plat and a site plan. So if it's okay with you guys I'll explain both of them and then we'll go from there. Okay. So the property is uh I have it right here in an aerial map so we can take a look at them. I actually put them in yellow. It's right here. Some um let me see. Yes, right here. Okay. So, the property doesn't uh fully face uh nor uh North County Boulevard, but it's right there in the vicinity. So, what the applicant is proposing is to do two different lots out of this area. Okay? Two different lots, and I'm going to show you the lots right here. That's how they're going to do it. One lot is one acre and the other lot is about three and a half acres. Um this is in the in the BMP zone as well. And what the applicant is proposing is in the BMPPS you saw is flex space and that's kind of like a rule now rule of thumb. So yeah that's what the applicant is proposing to do a flex space as well on lot for on what is called right here lot 42 there still we're going to do some some changing on the numbers but on what is

called right here lot two this is where uh the site plan will be located. Okay, as we can see, this one is left empty. Something else will come to us later, but right now it's uh what the applicant calls flex uh flex C and it's a 40,000 square feet building pretty similar to what St. Joe's property uh provides. It's a singlestory building. Uh but we are uh working with the applicant as well and we're great for the use of of glass even though it's not in the Grove zone. This is not in the Grove zone. is in the BMP but the applicant is trying to implement certain aspects and details of the of the growth zone. Okay. Do you have a question?

Yeah, I would just add is this the edge of the BMP zone here?

Yes, that's correct. Okay. So, that's what we're trying to make sure that there's kind of like a transition and if you guys can see the difference between this building and the previous ones that you saw on the on the VMP, there's a difference. These ones are single story. This building is pretty similar to what's uh behind Tesla pretty much. So, we're trying to make that transition right there. We presented both items to the planning commission. Uh, this one didn't go to the design review board, just the planning commission because it's not in the grove and they meet the requirements of parking, landscape, building height, and uh design for the zone. So, they forwarded a unanimous recommendation of approval for the plat, the two lot commercial plat, and for the site plan, the uh 40,000 foot uh building.

Great. Um, any questions for director on items 10F and 10G? Applicant is here. I see Marty. Marty, do you want to address anything or talk?

Start the timer. Sorry.

Um, no, great, great to be with you guys again. Uh we're excited to continue uh developing down here in Valley Grove. Um as you know um our product over there by Tesla is very successful. It's very full and needing we're needing more space and uh this is a great product, great great location to do that. It's not quite as tall as you will see from those manufacturing type buildings um that have kind of a higher um ceiling height in them. These have anywhere from 16 to 18 feet ceiling height. So it's a little bit different type of product um that we obviously love at Syn Properties. It's a majority of our portfolio consists of these types of buildings throughout the United States. And so this is uh again something that we're excited. We're working with the city. The city has been great to work with. You've got a detention facility plan behind it and we've been working with public works and engineering to coordinate all of the drainage and all the fun stuff into that and and I think it worked out really well. Your staff has been great. So, we en enjoyed getting this one going and we're excited to get it built here this year. So,

thank you. M usually your buildings are 16 to 18 feet high. Usually, uh a flex space goes from 30 30 to 38 something about that. So, it's we can see the the the difference of mass. Yeah. Y the outside height is 24 and 22, but the interior actual ceiling heights is what I was referring to as as a lower ceiling. So, you don't typically have like you're not able to stack like double stacks on on some of your storage shelving and things like that you would like you would typically do in a big um warehouse

warehouse and so it it brings in a different product as Daniel mentioned you can see that we brought the glass typically we have glass only partially through this area in our flex buildings because of its location and proximity to North County Boulevard you can see we kind of wrapped the end um unit there with glass all the way around would love to see a company come in there with a showroom that would to do a little bit of retail here as well. Um, you can see all of the glass goes all the way to the floor as well to just make it a fit a little bit better with the zone. So, great. Thanks, Marty. Any other questions? In the back. In the back there's they're not loading bays, but there's like a big open asphalt area in the back. That's There are four loading bays on this. Okay. Um, Steve, on the very north end, you can kind of see the

Oh, yeah. There you go. area there. Yeah. So, there are four loading bays on that. And, uh, yeah, they'll just be able to back up in there. We don't typically see a ton of um deliveries like the previous um person said here on that other you know it's about 40,000 square foot building. They're about 50,000 square foot. These aren't super large buildings but you know we needed to provide for a couple of the bays that could have some you know trucks and my delivery things of that nature. Um some of our tenants do like to have those not not used regularly though. Daniel, there's enough room back there and to get semiis in and out. So, yes,

it looks pretty tight. We design these all over the country. I know you do. I'm not our typical layouts for all of them and they work great. There's one in, one out, right? Um, yeah, I guess there's two outs right here. Yeah, it's it's a large enough truckard area that you can turn a fire truck around in, semi trucks, things of that nature. So, You just have the one access on the north edge of the building that'll come straight out to the to the road. And they've got great access out on North County and then also out on uh

once you get to 13th West obviously there's there's great access from there but but yeah to the site there'll be the main truck access you as you can see will be on the north side of the property there on the north side of the building to the back truckyard but that's for deliveries and such and then obviously second access to the front of the building. All right. Thanks Marty. Appreciate it. All right. With that, we have two different motions here. I'll entertain a motion on 10F. All right. Mayor, I'll make a motion that we approve the St. John Properties two lot preliminary commercial subdivision plat. We have a motion by council member Anderson. We have a second. I'll second.

I'll give that to Council Member Phillips if that's okay. Council member Williams. Okay. All those in favor? Ianous. Thank you. and then I'll entertain a motion on item 10G. I'll make the motion that we request um St. John Properties for a commercial site plan for industrial building located approximately 999 South and the BMP zone that we approve that request. We have a motion by Council Leone. Do we have a second? I'll second that one, too. Okay. Second by Council Member Phillips. All those in favor? I All those in favor? Oh, I unanimous. Okay. Thank you.

All right. Moving on to item 10H to consider resolution 2026-11 authorizing the mayor to execute a engineering master services agreement for professional service with Avenue Consultants Incorporated for engineering services on a project specific basis. Councilman director Winter

standard practice for us to engage with engineering firms to perform work. Uh we like to have competition and therefore we have created a master services agreement with a number of different uh groups. This is in line with that. Uh Tina has reviewed the agreement and uh all things seem in order. This will give us an opportunity to allow them to bid on future projects. Any questions for Director Winterton? Okay. If not, I'll entertain a motion.

I'll make the motion that we uh approve resolution 2026-011 authorizing the mayor to execute an engineering master services agreement for professional services with Avenue Consultants Incorporated for engineering services on a project specific basis. We have a motion by council member Leone. Do we have a second? Second. Second by council member Williams. And this will be a roll call. vote. Uh, Council Member Anderson, yes. Council member Rogers, yes. Council member Phillips, yes. Council member Leone, yes. Council Member Williams, yes. Thank you.

All right. Uh item 10 I to consider local authority consent for a retail alcohol license for a limited service restaurant for Misti Mickey Sushi Bar Maki Sushi Bar at 2085 West. Thank you. 40450 South Sweet 2C PG Utah.

Thank you Mayor Mayor and Council. This is the first of three requests tonight for local consent for various different types of retail alcohol licenses. The Misty Maki Sushi Bar is an existing restaurant who is open and operating for business. They are a limited service um restaurant under the state code and they are asking for local consent to serve um alcohol, beer, wine and saki to um pair with their uh Japanese style cuisine. And um this is the first step that they need to take in obtaining the state license. The state requires them to get local consent first. So um it'll be a little bit before they're actually serving the alcohol. This is just step number one in a process.

Great. Any questions for our attorney? I think I'm a top um CL customer. Oh wow. Great. It is very very good. Yeah, it's very good. Awesome. But so then I would love to approve the local authority consent for their retail alcohol license. So we have a motion by council member Anderson. Do we have a second by council member Leone? All those in favor? I. That sounded so. There we go. Like I was so excited.

Thank you. Unanimous. Oh, you have the next one, too. Okay. I do. uh to consider local authority consent for an off- premise beer retailer license for the true home to Pleasant Grove for Pleasant Grove Hotel Partners LLC at 1138 South Valley Grove Way, Pleasant Grove.

This application is for the new True Home um hotel that is being built in the um St. John Properties development in Valley Grove. They are um requesting to sell beer, canned and bottled beer at a convenience center located in the lobby of the hotel. Um they will not be serving wine. U with this type of license is possible to sell wine, but they're not requesting that. They still have some things they need to do to finish up their um application process, but they've asked us to um approve this local authority consent and then it will not be delivered to them until they've finished what they need to with with Melissa in the business license department.

Any questions? If not, I'll entertain a motion. Mayor, I'll make a motion that we approve the local authority consent for the off- premise beer retail license for True Home 2 in Pleasant Grove. We have a motion by Council Member Phillips. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Council Member Anderson. All those in favor? I. Unanimous. Okay. Moving on to item 10K to consider local authority consent for a retail alcohol license for a full service restaurant for urban kitchen located at 425 South County Boulevard number Den Grove, Utah.

Thank you, mayor. This is the third of the three. This is to consider a retail alcohol license for a fullervice restaurant as opposed to the limited service for Misty Maki. They are already open. This urban kitchen um is located on North County Boulevard. They have a license for um a business license currently for the restaurant for food service and they would like to serve alcohol and become a full-ervice restaurant. Great. Thank you. Any questions? With that said, I'll entertain a motion. I make Oh, go ahead.

No, go ahead. that we uh approve the local author that we consider to approve the local authority consent for retail alcohol license for a full service restaurant for Urban Kitchen at 425 South County Boulevard D. We have a motion by Council Member Leone. Do we have a second? Second. Second by Council Member Williams. All those in favor? I unanimous. Thank you. Thank you. I have Where is that at? It's over by um Misty Monkey I think. Right. I think so. Right side we looked. It's over. Is it? Okay. Well, I feel like a party. Let's go. Love the new restaurants. That's just wonderful. Yeah. Well, but they're serving food.

No. Have I made it sound like I'm just going for the alcohol, Scott? I'm glad we have that on record, Scott. There we go. There we go. Um, okay. That that concludes our action items for tonight. And we thank you for those who have made it through our council meeting tonight. But we're going to go back because I think we still have items for discussion. I think we continued. How are we going to handle this, Scott?

Well, there's a couple things. Um, we do I want to have Daniel real quick uh talk about the conservation program. Um, we've had a a couple citizen inquiries and city council inquiries on a program that's set up where our residents would have an opportunity to get grant money to do water conservation. So, this flipping the strip, I think, is sometimes what it's referred to. Um, we were approached about three years ago on this. There's requirements that we need to uh establish as a city if our residents are going to be uh able to access this grant money. Um, so I'm going to have Daniel go over the criteria. Um, if it's something that the council wants us to pursue, then we'd run it through planning commission and bring it back to you um for approval, which would then open the door for our residents to access this grant.

Why does it have to go through planning commission? Because it's uh because we have to change code and ordinances on new uh construction. And some things have changed since three years ago. Well, yeah, Daniel's going to cover that. Um and then we also found that they have opened it up to where you don't have to necessarily adopt um the new things, but you would only qualify for half the grant. Okay. And so the council does have options if if you want to do that option. So with that, I'll turn it over to Danny. All right. Director,

we're all yours. Let's see. Okay, questions. Mayor and council, this is what I found out with our friends from Central Utah Water Conservancy District. I had a couple conversations with them and uh by the way that's the website that our residents should can go to and I have some news that PG residents are right now they are eligible for the following landscape incentive program. They this is what they don't like to call it flip the flip the strip anymore. So they call it the law the loan replacement. So, if one of our residents would like to apply for it, they can apply. There's a a list of requirements of what they need to do and they will get $1.50 per square foot. Okay? It's kind of like a rebate program. They can also apply for the switch to drip program and for existing planting beds and they will get 50 cents in rebate for a square foot. Um, and the tree bait is $50 per tree. So, anybody right now, anybody right now can actually apply. And I'm gonna show you. This is the

Dustin. Hey, Dustin. I was like, "No, no, no, no. It's to plant a tree, not to take a tree. This is to plant a tree." To plant a tree. Text me that. I I'll I'll show you. I'll show you. So, you guys, so I'm gonna go back and I'm pretty sure this is going to be recorded so people can see where to go. But if you go to right here, they're going to give you a list of the cities that can apply to it. And actually in the second page right here, it's my favorite city. There we are. Okay. So Daniel, let me make sure I'm I'm clear here. So this was this was the program that they came I don't know year, two years ago, 2023 September.

And and uh and we we said no because of the limitations that were associated around that. We just didn't feel like it was a good deal for our residents. Mhm. Um, not that it wasn't not that it wasn't written positively to conserve water. We like that, but it literally took all freedom away from the landowner in in a lot of ways. Um, so is this I see that we're now we're on that website. What happened? Did they change it?

Yeah, they change it and I I'll I'll get to it. Okay. Okay. So, we can see right here that Plant Grove qualifies for what I was telling you. And if you click and actually name of our city, it's going to tell you right here. So, we qualify right now to have the loan replacement, $150 per square foot. And here's the eligibility. So, every one of our residents can take a look at it and follow these steps. Here's the regulations and rules for the switch to drip program where you qualify for 50 uh 50 cents per square foot. And then here's the tree bait. And it tells you right here is not the you don't remove the tree. You have to be planting the tree. And here's the rules and regulations. Okay. Now they made it available to us but okay everybody can apply and I'm gonna go back to these slides. This is what they will get. Okay $1.50 for that for the lawn replacement 50 cents for switch to drip and $50 for uh per tree if they still have the the the part of the I'm going to go to this second slide. Okay. If we adopt the following standards for all new for new projects, this this is not retroactive. So if we adopt an ordinance for new commercial, institutional, industrial and multif family construction that has these four rules, then they double what they can get. So then they get $3 per square foot for lawn replacement. They get $1 for a switch to drip and the three bait that that stays the same. Okay. Okay. So again, what are the

I'll show you the regulations. We This is something that I presented last time like two two three years ago. They made it a little bit more uh less restrictive because before uh to give an idea the lawn uh shouldn't exceed 35%. Now they went to 50. So they they went to 50%. So they they're a little more loosey goosey. That's a word that my dad just told me. You can have more lawn. can have more grass now. Okay. So, that's lucy. They they That's the legal term, right? Loosey goosey, Mexican asset. It's pretty

Oh, I have I have so much more words that I I've been learning. Uh farming aura. That's a a new one that I'm learning to farming or I have teenagers at home. Anyway, so these are these are the rules and regulations that we will have to adopt in every single one of our zones. Um so that's why it has to go back to planning commission because it's a code text amendment for multiple zones. Okay. So again right now just to uh recap everybody can apply. This is the the money that they will get back if these um standards are adopted into our code. Now they can double the amount they can get for the loan replacement and for the switch to drip. The treebait stays the same.

Okay. So, in the meantime, this is going to go back, but can we start um promoting at least the 50% of this amount, the half of the $150? I wouldn't I wouldn't market it as half 50%. I would mark it as a rebate. Yeah, just a rebate. That's fine. And and if and when we ever want to adopt something like that, double it. It'll it'll be doubled. But can we start promoting that on our city site and social media because a lot of in um residents have been interested in this program and we just I think we need to help get the word out about it. Yeah. To our understanding they changed the rules like a week ago

and so this is new information. So if the city council wants to just stick with that stick with the the plan we're already qualified for, we'll roll that out to the citizens. Yeah. Is there any appetite to pursue the um code changes? Well, I guess I guess I would ask Daniel now that it's up to 50%. That's very I would say that's uncommon for a lot of new construction that 50% of the lot is retained for lawn. I don't know if maybe you could look into that for us. The total landscaped areas, not the lot. Well, the landscaped areas. Yeah. I think it's rare for 50% of it to be.

You got to have an RV pad. You got to have this extra space. I I would be interested in what you're seeing now for development, Daniel, because I think, you know, 35% is pretty low. 50% seems like it's probably about right with with regard to like flower beds and then you have the lawn. What I did last time when I present this to you guys, I remember I went and took pictures of like 10 homes and then I map it out and I show you, hey, this is how much grass you can have. I mean, if that's the appetite, I can go and map out 50% or something like that. I don't know if that's the direction. I'd like to send it back to planning commission and just see what they say and tell residents that we thoroughly looked at this and start promoting what's in place right now. Well, we Yeah, we can promote what's there currently, but we're they're

eligible for and then we don't promote the other obviously the because it needs to go to planning commission, but I'd like to see what the planning commission says. Sorry. S I guess that's what I'm asking. Do we even want to go to that step? Yes, I would say yes. So, we want to pursue the the code We want to see what it would look like with what the developers and what things are happening now. Like if you go out to some of a lot of the new developments or even just the lots that are being developed and you say,

"Yeah, this affect that would this would maybe affect one in 10 lots because everyone's doing bigger homes and less lawn and bigger flower beds around and RV pads and boat pads and outuildings. Like I'm just curious, I guess, Scott space that's not part of the 50% So like an RV pad that h would not be landscape that's interesting your grass and your flower bed. But those are details we can figure out. That would be it's got that would be the way it's written. But when we talk about it and I I when I have a conversation with them is the the the front yard. So they we can have some I wonder if it's the landscapable space.

What what I suggest is that I do some extra work. I map it out and I bring it to you guys in a working session before even bringing it to planning commission. And the reason we said no was because of the restrictions on other things besides that residential area. It was going to affect the entire city. It affects commercial. And so if that's the case, I am not interested. I'm I'm not either. Well, I'm interested.

I like I like the 50% and I appreciate them doing that. And I think that's a great start and I think that's somewhere where we should start. Um, but for us to just to to tell a land owner these are his requirements as a city is not in my in my estimation a job of the city or the state to mandate that. So Daniel may or Scott both of you maybe we you can bring back because American Fork's done something of a hybrid of this too I think and some other cities right a little bit. Maybe we move forward like council member Lemon was saying with what's eligible now and then we we take it to planning commission and and see where it goes from there. Well,

are there restrictions attached to what is being No, I don't I don't believe that. It it just will that they go on and they link it. It was done it was done just last week. It has nothing to do with us for the first part. They go on to the application and fill out the link and they apply as a resident. There were there was a if no there isn't on that if was the No, we have no they can go do it right now. They don't need our approval. They can just go.

The city has nothing to do with it right now then then we help promote it. I mean we're in a drought. We have every obligation to make sure that we've told residents we have looked at every option to help save you money and to help you zero skate and save water because we're in a serious drought. So we have the obligation to look at it. The program has changed. they can go on right now and we should be heavily promoting this to let people know what they can be doing right now to start saving water. We're in trouble. I just want to make sure that there aren't any restrictions for there's not right now. Okay. There is in the second part, but not right now. Daniel,

I think we do need to have the opportunity to see what the regulations are completely right now because evidently they've changed things recently. So, let's let's make sure everyone has all the information. The other thing I would mention is part of the reason I think that it was not palatable before is we already have ordinances on the books for water conservation um practices. We already allow zero escape, right? What this requirement was was to enhance and restrict even further and say you can't have more than this not you can have this if you want which is the way our current ordinance reads right so it's not that we're not encouraging people or providing mechanisms for them to switch things this particular program was mandating saying you cannot have more than 35% of your front yard in lawn on and that was not palatable to most of the council at the time.

So, let let Daniel do his homework. Let him let me look at what their new requirements are and say whether or not it affects other areas besides just new residential front yards and we'll bring it back in a work session and the council can decide whether or not they're interested in having us draft an ordinance amendment from there. Okay. Yeah, I I agree. We don't need to draft anything and send it through planning. I would rather like I think Daniel you suggested hey let me go see if the because this only applies to new developments. That's what it's going to say.

And so I'm like is this even going to be a problem or all or or are all new developments already doing less than 50% and so it's not a big deal. And that's what I would like to know legally Tina if how it's written. Is it landscapable? Is it only the finished landscape area? Is it only front yard? Does it include backyard? like all those things are unknowns right now I think with the new update it sounds like so maybe if we could get that in a work session then we can know if we need I'll bring it back to you guys but just to give you an idea for example most of the developments in the BMP don't have even 5% of grass

they don't so we will qualify because their limit is 20 we just don't have it in our code but most of them don't even provide all the BMP developments that you guys can see they don't have grass anymore so we will qualify in those but I'll bring it up to you because it is multiple zones. It's not just residential, is BMP, is office, is retail, is all the ones. So, I'll bring different examples on how we can proceed. But the current one where they can just go on apply at the link, that's an existing resident. That's not new. It could be an existing resident. Is that correct? That's correct. Okay. So, that one, can we get out that link now? Okay. We'll we'll try to get that out tomorrow. Okay.

Can I ask a question on that one? selfishly over the last few months we've done that to a section of our yard just naturally. Do you have any idea on the the dates like would I is this eligible for people who start when this was approved or I'll send you the link I would just go on the link and make the application and see what they say. Yeah, because you see when I opened the link there were like 20 requirements things that you got to do. For example, you gota they tell you do not cut the grass take pictures first like figure out documented it. So, and there's a lot of stuff Google maps can help. And I also saw that there's multiple lists of cities some that apply for like the double some that

can qualify for just the kind of standard amount I'll call it. Can we send out the link so people are going to the correct list and so they see Pleasant Grove on that list and then they can click to apply because I think maybe some people are getting confused because they're going to the wrong link. Yes. Oh, they just So that's why that's crazy.

Oh, so that's great. Yeah, but I'll tell you why it's it's true. I got confused the same same thing. I got confused because there's two lists and there's two different districts and it gets confused. So, I'll make sure we send the right make sure we have the list that actually leads you to where Pleasant Grove residents can apply because I think that's cool that now we can do it. So, Scott Daniel work with Lisa then it okay. Okay. Thanks, Daniel. All right, Scott. We won. No, we don't have it. Sorry. If you have a question, we'll let you talk to afterwards because those those three people that were standing up there, we were like, "Yeah, we'll we'll have you address Daniel afterwards and and and that." So, um, Scott,

yeah, we just probably last thing budget-wise is to review, uh, utility rates and so we'll have Neil come up. What a great way to end our meeting. All right, Director Wton, we're gonna end on a fun note. Yeah. Sorry. Can you talk about water while you're up there after your thing? All right, I got to log in here. Let's talk. It's good thing we approved some of these alcohol license, you know, because that may be all that we have to drink.

Distilled. Distilled. I hate it when he does this. Okay, that's over there. Let's talk about this for a minute. You guys remember this map? Fires. Oh, whoops. These are not fires. This is our snowtail sites. I bet they fires though.

We we look at we look at a couple of different things. Temponogus Divide. Uh there's a snowbird and then there's a trial lake right there. And I'm going to pull these up. Wait, you're going you were moving near. I know. It's just Hold on. Get these over here so we can look at them. These are more fun to look at. So if we look at the graph here, gosh, I don't know. What

you can see the black line is where we are today. The red line is the worst in history. We are making history today. Green line is average. blue line was 2023. The rate that we're headed here, all that water is going to melt off. Normally, we melt off May 15th on temp divide. Earliest is usually around April 14th. That's coming down before that. I don't mean to alarm you, but I hope you're you're alarmed on your own. Um, here is Trial Lake. All right. This is the Provo River system. Little bit different. Coming down. Hopefully, we don't make uh history, but we're on that path to make history.

Can you send me those two? Sure can. Thank you. I could pull this. Oh my god.

This is Snowbird American Fort Canyon water. Let me just turn on uh 2023. There was 2023. Turn that back off. You can see we're just about ready to make history. So, um I also look at a couple other different um sites. This one's called Drought Monitor. You kind of see this slider here. This slides that was last year right there where we were this same almost day. This is where we are today. Last year today last year we had some rough conditions as well. So let's uh let's let's look at a couple of things here. I'm going to pull this over and we are going to start a slideshow. I love water. Have my whole life. If you look at my uh photo album, which I just did, I just put that in. Probably half my photos have water in them. This is below Lake Pal on Lease Ferry. I'd never been there. Last year, I went there on March 27th, 2025. That's my cousin. He is residing in Sierra Leone right now doing some good work. Um, 1993. There's Discovery Park. Uh, I live about right here. Actually, I want you to keep an eye on that Discovery Park for um, reference purposes. I want you to look at all that patchwork and the fieldwork around this area. Uh, 97 looks like Discovery Park's getting built. Few quilts gone.

2003 2004 6 10 16 20 20 2025 there's the last one that's picture was taken in August so there's where we where we were in 93 little bit different landscape right so our pleasant grove city had all those quilts, all those agricultural farms, whether they were beets or alalfa, uh, irrigation fed out of the canyons. Um, eventually we had some subdivisions. This is my second AI slide I made today.

The first one you saw uh earlier,

you the first one was in the uh budget and planning meeting as you might recall. Um anyway, uh now we have more homes than we do agricultural uh farms out there. We get our water from different places. Um Pleasant Grove Irrigation Company, we have a lot of shares in that. North Union Canal and Irrigation Company, Provo Bench Canal and Irrigation Company, Provo Reservoir Water Users Company. I don't even have Provo Reservoir WA or Provo River Water Users Association on here. I missed that one. Natural flow from the Provo River. Sounds Utah project otherwise known as Jordanell Grove Battle Creek and American Fork River. And what we did is we created the Pleasant Grove and Garden Citizen Irrigation Company. That's what we did essentially in 200 early 2000s 2004 567 we put in a secondary water system and created a company. Now when years of drought occurred with those farmers guess what happened to their crops? They lessened. they they they didn't get the yield on their apples or their alphaalfpha because they were all shareholders in the company. Well, we have the Pleasant Grove Yard and Garden Citizen Irrigation Company. And guess what's got to happen this year to our yield of turf grass? We have to recognize that we are all shareholders and we all need to use less water. We cannot use the water that we think we have uh are entitled to. It's a proportionate amount. And you saw the proportionate

amounts that were staring down the barrel of this is not a result of overdevelopment. Okay? When the homes from the irrigation farms turned into homes, guess what they did? They turned in all these shares to the city. So, so the city now has what formerly was alalfa or they gave us money and we went out and bought additional shares. We have a good supply of water in normal years. the farmers who built those quilts of farms back, this is 93. Imagine what 1966 looked like. Those farmers had to cut back. They had to recognize that that they were not going to get the yield on their areas or they had to not irrigate, let a piece of property go. That was the the reality. So, I am just sounding the alarm today that you've already heard on the radio and TV and everywhere else that I will be recommending restrictions on secondary water this year. How that's going to happen, we have to wait and see. Um because there are still things in play. There's still temperature and precipitation that isn't part of this. There's no amount of snow that's going to bring us back from that, right? Um we had a year in 20 15. That was really rough, but we had August rains. Uh anyway, um

yeah. Yeah. So, I I hate to bring the doom and gloom, but I'm trying to bring reality to the situation. It it is not because there's homes or not because there's apartments. It is not it is not that reason. It is the reason is because when I talked to the Provo River Commissioner uh yesterday he said by July August I am guessing the river will be at 25%. I've never seen 25%. I've seen 50 I've seen 60. I've seen everything else. Never seen 25% of the river flow. coming down the Provo River.

But is it possible to kind of get like a game plan in place so we're ready when the I've been game planning for months? Yeah. But can we send that out to residents so they can know and be aware about the restrictions that are coming if before like it's not the day before but they are aware that this could be possible because they can start doing things to their yards too. When can we get that out to the public? end of this week, first of next week, I'm going to work with Lisa to get uh the message out. This is about the time we normally send the message out and start really uh dialing in.

In February, I said I don't really start to worry till about mid-March. Well, I'm I'm concerned that we don't have the water supply that is going to be necessary for the use that we have had. We're going to be able to keep some lawns alive, our trees alive, our shrubs alive. We're not going to be able to grow rice. We're not going to be able to grow mushrooms. That's what we're going to ask residents not to do. So, no, are we you talking about you're going to ask for restrictions eventually, but are we just going to start this season with restrictions just to be safe or are we looking at the uh the season and the residents actually

ramp up to July? So, the water's coming. The temperatures are there. So, the water is there. Uh, we don't have storage on American Fork, Grove Creek, or Battle Creek. There's no storage whatsoever. So, whatever comes out of those mountains is available for us to use now. So, it makes sense for us to use what's available. We'll monitor it. And if it somehow doesn't meet predicted volumes or the residents are using more than what they have in past patterns, we will have to make adjustments. But I think through June, you know, we we'll make that uh time frame. So, is there a reason to wait till May?

Not with the temperatures the way they are. The water is coming. The water is coming down. Are we are we filled? Can we start? We are filling right now. Yeah. Okay. We're We're preparing to get things filled up, ready to go. Okay. You know, I just I just want to make sure we get the correct post out with the correct information and everything that it's coming from the city that that we that the citizens know that this is what's going on.

I I I wanted to make sure I had uh a few things in place and give it another few days, week to really feel where we are and and the temperatures. Uh there is some precipitation next week. We could just hope that comes every week uh for this entire summit. Yeah, I was just I was actually just looking at it. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, the the low of 39 with with rain, 65% chance of rain. So, um we're all faith faith-based people. We need to pray and and that that sharp curve is not going to go back up, but it can

it can flatten. Okay? And that's what we need it to do. and spring and spring rains are great for our water our water tables. So, well, I think it's important that we explain to the residents that early season watering is different because we don't have storage from some of our main sources because I think that makes a lot of sense that okay, you can water and maybe establish some of your your plants early, but then your grass may have to go dormant late in the summer because that's just the reality of when the water comes. So that I think education will be a super nuanced discussion and

and this is why we get a little hesitant to do anything other than May 1 is because we do that this year and then next year people are going to be saying hey you turn the water on early this year. Are you suggesting we're going to turn the water on like we will always ask residents not to water until May 1st. The water will generally be in the system so that it's available and we will start charging maybe as early as the 15th of April because it takes time for that water and for us to turn the valves in the system to make it down through the city.

But are we So you're saying we're going to stay with the original schedule of April 15th you're going to start charging the system. You're not suggesting that we start charging it now. Well, we are filling our our reservoirs now. Okay. Then we will open the valves into the system. Fill to a level. Open it. Open it. Open it. We'll ask the residents not to water their uh turf until May 1st. Um you know, if there's some spot watering trees or shrubs to keep them alive, you know, the temperatures if we get down uh and we get some rain,

the plants and and the grass will be fine. So, what about like additional water enforcement? We did that a few years ago in the drought. Are we doing that? I just I just want to be able to explain to residents because with the heat we've been having, it's on people's minds. They're wanting to get into their yard. And I think the better information we get them, the sooner it's just going to be all the way around education and they're going to be more on board with what's happening, especially with the restrictions. So, is there going to be additional enforcement? We've had enforcement in place for many years. Yeah. And it will continue. But will there be additional or how is that working now? Like is there because I don't I didn't think we had as much enforcement over the past because we haven't had a drought situation like this.

Last year we had enforcement and uh we give warnings to start with and then we start issuing fines. Okay. Can that be explained again in the message as well? Absolutely. Okay. Absolutely. Any other questions on that? I do have some more history lessons for us. water. No, you got to wait till May 1st. This is making me thirsty to talk about this dry state. May

I I was out looking for historic things related to Pleasant Grove and doing some searching and you go down those rabbit holes and I don't I don't know uh a new industrial firm came in 1962 as a result of a survey in the PG Chamber of Commerce efforts.

There we go. So the legacy is is strong there. And I don't know if anybody knew or or remembered people who worked this was a pretty big deal. The Bailey Manufacturing Company came in and started manufacturing clothing. Later up in my later on in my search, I found that they were lobbying to, you know, prohibit imports and do all sort of things on the national level. And uh I guess we know how that turned out because there's not a lot of manufacturing going on uh in Pleasant Grove or even in the United States. Um perch fillets were 49 cents a pound and you could get two pounds of ground beef for 89. Two pounds. I think we're up to five bucks a pound or so on that. Uh part of the article had uh someone there showing the the manufacturing of clothing. And then typical of beautiful homes in Pleasant Grove is this colonial style residence owned by HL Rabbush. And so some more stuff. Pleasant Grove City. Uh, if you read this article, it talks about how awesome we are, where we're beautifully situated. Battle Creek and Grove Creek and the trails right down in this area. Right down here, it starts getting into the cool stuff. We're forward thinking. We're fixing our water systems. We have 5,500 people and we're planning for 25,000 people in Pleasant Grove. We got a little a few more people than that.

Yeah. It say it says like, you know, we're ready to provide for 25,000. Uh this was in 1966. We built a new well, the Brimley well, and uh it's going to pump to the Monson storage tanks and uh the Battle Creek storage tanks combined. Looks like it holds almost 5 million gallons. Uh it's now time to replace the Monson tank and uh we've had to do some extensive work on the Brimley well,

but it's just uh interesting. This is this was just more budget related and and tied to our speeding traffic fines paid recently to the city court. Now, this was to the ORM court, but they published every ticket issued and their name as a part of public shaming. And I'd like to con you guys to consider bringing this back for water violations. Um, yeah. Ace Woodward,

Ed Ace Woodward and Garland Griston, this is the 150 people, they were fined 150 bucks for driving under the influence of intoxicants. So, I mean, I don't know if that's a revenue source or a or a way we can slow people down. Um, this is a more recent article. TSSD northern Utah residents face increases. This was 2025, February. Um 15% increase in 2025 and an additional 15% increase and a 40% increase effect January 1st, 2024. This was $387 in an American Fork newsletter. were not uh isolated to the rising increases at TSSD. This was from a anonymous city's Facebook uh post. They went 387 in uh in February and two bucks in February as well. Here's a couple of quotes from an article. Highland City doesn't control the rates. Rates collected from Highland citizens. 100% of the amount is passed directly to the temp sewer district. We feel it's important to highlight that TSSD is not a city entity. The decision to raise their rates blah blah blah. It's up to the individual city to char to charge per household or business connection. Those are going to vary. Adams said who's who's Adams? Uh John Adams was the manager uh when this article was written in 2014. So, uh, these types of issues, uh, are not unique. They come up. TSSD hadn't raised their rates, I think, probably since about this time. How about some more history? Painful

history that a lot of you guys uh were were involved with. What's going to happen since Prop 3 failed? Um, city council woman Diana Anderson explained Wednesday that the city realistically needs 3.8 8 million uh to get the good pavement condition index in the next 20 years. That's 2017. So we we've still got years to go, right? People have to understand even the million and a half doesn't take us very far when it comes to roads roads. Marty's gone. Dang it. Um makes sense for us to do the road at the same times as utility projects. That still holds true. Some sections needing road repair do not have funding yet for the utilities underneath them. That was the 10-year plan I sent you that coordinated all four of those utilities with the roads. Gosh, 2010. We're This history lesson's pretty good. Irrigation Darington. Nice. Fair price and fair usage. Did you

super I remember I mean where did you come up where did you come up with that? That's uh um there are people who run their secondary water for many hours a day every day. That's still true. Uh restrictions were put into place in July. This was 2010. Some people feel they can use as much as they want. Some of the possible options put in meters to measure the amount of water used. 2010

um 2018 8.45 per month implement the road fee. This is after we decided to do it. I wanted to go take a picture where that was but I couldn't quite tell exactly. But if it's on 500 East, 500 East got a nice new road all the way from 200 South to 1100 North. So just last year, 100% of the fees will go to road maintenance and engineering. I can absolutely stand here and tell you that I am the one who has spent these dollars and that is absolutely true. Every penny has gone to road maintenance and engineering. Fugal at the time said, "This has been going on for 20 to 30 years, and it's going to take another 20 to 30 years to get the roads fixed." That's true. It's going to take some time. In 2018, it was 8.45. If we would have just kept up with inflation, we'd have been at 1386. But instead, we reimplemented it in 2023 at 676. We're a little behind the eightball from what that plan was. All those comments, all those quotes are still true today. This is what we're here to talk about. There's only really one slide for us to talk about today. Uh the TSSD sewer that I want to rename on our utility bill TSSD sewer. the full amount that we collect to pay our treatment bill that's gone from 2.8 to almost $5 million, a little over. Uh I want to quantify that and put that directly on our residents bill because

there's a flat rate TSSD fee that was probably implemented from the 2014. That's I started piecing this together, but but we have a flat rate TSSD, then we have a a sewer rate tied to volume. I mean, I I would I would rather have it say TSSD TSSD sewer pass through.

Sure. Pass through for sure. Yeah. Because we collect that 100% of that is passed through to them. uh we want to implement that uh with the the May 1 bill. That's that is not money that is going into in fact that's money that we're losing right now until we implement $3.56. Scott Denise said I don't care about pennies. Scott on his email said 358. So uh all right, Scott, he's sandbagging.

Uh but but that that's where it calculates out. That checks out. You know, our sewer is better than American Forks. Theirs was 387. We're at 356. So, that's that's where the studies show not we don't need Bowen Collins to study that. That's straight pass through cost, bill, volume, pay, no study needed. uh the secondary water. Um we're looking to take the data that we get from this year, hit it hard, and then come March of next year, we uh we bring that as a as a bill for the residents.

So, Neil, I've been trying to be a good um disciple for this. So, I've been talking to people. They're all I've received this inquiry a couple of times and maybe they just have missed it in their bill, but they're they're wanting instructions from me and I honestly don't know what to tell them to how to connect to their meter so they know what they're going to be using next week or so. That's rolling out the whole process of how to get to your ion water bill. Okay. Yeah. Because I think a lot of people I' I've been warning them about, hey, this is just the reality of what's happening. And so I think people want to be informed. So I'm glad that we have that.

Jason has sent me uh all the info and social media blitz that we're going to put out there. Uh we've got to be ready for it because we anticipate residents calling us saying, "I just can't figure it out." Um and that that means we're going to have to get uh the front office in admin and public works ready to go answering those phones, walk people through signing up for the app. And uh is this a separate app that we have for the culinary same same app? Just different tab. Um secondary different tab. Yeah, for those with the culinary that we did a a test run on. Yeah, we can help you with that as well.

I mean, I like the idea of implementing this come March, but being able to look back and say this is what you would have been charged. That's our intention is to inform the residents based on your 2026 usage. And I like that. Here's what you would have been charged if we would have metered you. Right. Now, it's going to it's going to be a little tricky because we're going to be on restrictions. Sure. And so it's people are probably going to use less water. Yeah. But at least it gives them a standard as to where where they're head baseline. Yeah.

And everything we're shown is is is um average use. So, if we have people that are using way more, that's is it's going to be they're going to be paying more than 4374 or whatever. You know,

by by way of update, I and Denise and Scott, I haven't even seen this. Bowen Collins has sent me back uh a new proposal based on the feedback we received on the base rates and the and the graduating costs and the usage and and uh we'll we'll dive into that. But now we have time to dive into that and and we're going to keep the same rate structure this summer. Uh and I know a couple other communities are doing that. They just weren't didn't feel quite ready. Um and and although I feel like we'll be ready administratively with with all the integration that's required, it's probably maybe a good thing to do some trial run and say, "Oh, here's what your bill would have been uh before we start um billing officially. It's kind of a new territory for us is we've never built before this way and so um even with the culinary meters we collect the data differently. This is all collected from cellular messaging to us as well. We don't have to go out and collect this data. Very very good technology. All right. Uh highlighted in the light green there is what the study showed from Bowen Collins. I I'm not going to go into that. I have their presentation. We spent an hour last time. You guys have it. I sent you the PDF. That was what the recommendation was based on, remember fixed cost, debt, operations, and capital. uh we looked at things we're saying okay uh didn't seem like that was a a palatable uh approach. So adjusting the culinary water to 339 versus 639 implementing all these uh with your September bill. Um we feel like

October bill it'll be implemented in September but it'll be the October

October bill. Um we feel like we can we can move forward with that. Now there are some big projects in the water. I know that it said 23 months on that sheet that that Denise handed out. I've already spent half of that. All right. Um, we're spending a lot of money on water lines when we replace water lines with the road, which all of our projects this year we're doing. That money isn't accounted for yet because we haven't spent it, just so you know. Um and then in my mind I've spent the Monson well and well I've been kind of waiting for the Boulevard well the Cook Park to get done before we jump into a huge project 1012 million on the Monson rehab. Um but if we need to come back uh in a year or two we can we're going to look at these every year. So, we can drop that from 639 to 339. The city sewer side, you can see, is is less than half of what the TSSD side is. We still need operating dollar bills. Uh, and we still need to replace stuff when we fix roads. There are manhole covers that we have to fix. There are bellies and sewer lines. There's stuff we got to fix. It's all spelled out in that 10-year capital plan. um 393 for the storm drain. Probably our most behind fund is our storm drain fund. We had the benefit as you saw uh development from 93. We would drain into fields. We would deadend into orchards. We would dead end. We don't have those benefits anymore. We have to build the infrastructure to take the storm water from where it's generated all the way to Utah Lake. Uh we've made great strides. Cook Family Park, Channel the Lake, huge

good projects that that have uh helped, but we still have uh areas of concern. Transportation I showed you um it was 676. We if we want to keep pace with where we are going with our roadway preservation, we need to stick with uh 1276 down from 710 to $6. Um and that is is an ask but again that's what the study showed uh when we did the study in 2017 uh those costs have not come down just following inflation that's about that same area where we would be that's all I have believe it or not

just that just under three minutes thank you now any questions for director 20 minutes. Where was I? 28. Well, I I I would just say, I mean, this is new information to you. We'll bring this back uh April 14th. If there's any uh immediate questions right now for Neil, feel free to ask. If you start looking at this and have further questions, don't hesitate to call Neil or myself and we can talk through some of this. But we'll bring back this same chart and um and see where you're at. see if this is something that is workable or if there's still concerns and questions that we need to answer.

Okay. And you're always available, Neil. We can always reach out to you if questions arise. I might be on the lake, but I'll pick up my phone. Okay. Even on the weekend if there's a lake, right? Okay. Um I did I did have the water efficiency standards there. Daniel's already talked about that. I would really consider that for new builds. 10% of our community moving forward. 50% is a significant amount from a public works and water purveyor perspective. Um I think it is a a doable and not a huge ask uh for those minor items.

Right. Thanks. Still Scott review discussion of our 14th or do you want to do we have any more do you want to discuss on uh No. Yeah. Let's uh do department reports and um like I said, so we've hit you with a lot of information today. So we want to give you three weeks to kind of digest it, but feel free to hit us up with any questions and then we'll bring this back and have our next round of discussion on April 4th.

All right. So I'll I'll call on departments. If you don't have anything, you don't have to come up. But Carl, does the police have anything? Carl, it's good to have you here tonight.

That won't take as long as Neil. Uh, a couple things. Um, we're going to have a citizen academy starting April 15th. Um, we're teaming up with the fire department and there's be it'll be a lot of fun for the citizens. And so I encourage uh Mr. Phips and I think Russ or Roger Steve you haven't been to it so I'd like you to jump in there. Um anyway uh that's going to start up and it'll be a good program. Um so anyway there's that one. Send out an announcement for that. What's that? You'll send out an announcement with the timing or

Yeah, I can I'll have that sent out here. from 6 to 8. And it's progressive. You learn a little bit more each each time as we um each night learn a little bit more about police or fire. You need to do that, Dustin. Yeah. So, it's it's a it's a requirement for city council members. Be tased. Yeah. Steve, I have another one. I forgot. I'll get you. Do you want to? It's up to the It's up to the chief, though. Don't tase me, man. Uh, and then the other other thing we have, it's a

it's a positive thing, our K9 um Jerem Hris went to Vegas, just got back and uh K9 competition. There's lots of different competitions or areas and he came back with a third place on drug detection or detection and so um hats off to him and what he's accomplished with Freya. So, He would I'd have him come here tonight, but he's on his way to Disneyland uh to take some vacation. So anyway, that's the only two things I have. Any questions? Well, you do have something tomorrow night. Something about cadets. Oh, cadets. We have a swer in for our new cadetses. Um it's really cool. It's really cool if you're able to go right here, right?

Yeah, right here. They'll be big part of the community. They help out a lot with our uh strawberry days and lots of different events. So, um, anyway, it's just our opportunity to support them and show them that we we like, you know, love their service. So, is it what time? 6 or 6:30? 6. 6. Okay. So, if you are going to if I were like say I'm out of town a couple of these times, that's okay if I miss a couple. Start over. I can start all the way over. When you come back, you get taste. No, you get taste every time you miss one. No, that's fine. If it fits your schedule, um, be cool. the more you can attend, the better knowledge you have of what we do and how we do things and it's a good thing. Okay.

So, if you want to let me know and or send the chief an email or send me an email and we'll get you on that schedule. So, okay. Thank you. Thanks. Library, do you have anything? Well, I had Stacy here with me earlier for the budget discussion. Yeah,

but that's okay. She got dinner out of it. Um, we she was telling me there was a kid who comes to the library all the time. Um, and he's 10. And he said to, and Stacy overheard this to to his dad. So, how much does a library cost us? And the dad said, "Well, libraries are free. We don't have to pay for the for the library." And the and he said, "What? For everything we get here? I've got 20 bucks. I'll bring and pay them." I thought that was cute. Um, so, but we we're humming along. We're doing great. Um, we look forward to the next time we discuss budget so we can discuss things we want. Um, so uh I'll look forward to that. Thanks.

Okay. Thank you. I had a quick question for you because I noticed there there's something called like library drive or overdrive. Is that that's different than Libby? No, it's the same thing. Oh, okay. Overdrive is the parent company. Oh, okay. That's always one. Okay. Yeah. All right, HR, do you have anything for us, David?

Um, just one more quick reminder, April 16th, we're having our annual recognition event. Um, you should have a calendar invite. Hope you guys can make it. Um, and I did send you guys an email, too. If you haven't done it already, please do. Um, we're making our last selections for some of those awards and would love your input for employee of the year. Um, just follow the link in your email to make your vote. Maybe resend the link tonight and then if those I did. Yeah, you're supposed to voting for the voting. I'll send it right now. I was really confused. Yeah, we won't say that. Just resend it tonight. All right,

we'll do. Thanks. No, we need to know by tomorrow. Tomorrow afternoon. And please vote tonight because I'm closing it tomorrow. Thanks. There you go. See? Okay. You know, I made a special invite for our favorite intern to come up and talk to us tonight. Yeah. scary. You can hear my baby screaming

in the background. Sorry. Yeah, it's a beautiful sound. Um when you're not having to be around it 24/7, but she's a good baby. We're grateful for it. Anyways, um next council meeting will probably be my last council meeting working for the city. Um it's been an honor. I've been really grateful to have amazing mentorship here and opportunities to kind of have a seat at the table and see how the sausage gets made. um in the sense of like policym that you guys do and also just all the little things that the staff does behind the scenes. So thank you for being so supportive not just to me but to our staff. This is a great place to work and it's because of your efforts and because of the efforts of all the people behind. So um just wanted to say that um I don't know is there anything else you want me to report on?

What are you working on right now? What are you working on right now? Where do they have you? Um what am I working on right now? So, um, kind of my big project that I was doing before was the, u wage analysis study that we talked about at our last meeting. Um, so with that, um, kind of coming to a close, um, there's been a lot of updating files. Um, I got a couple paper cuts last week, updating paper files and putting stuff away. Get that guy some gloves. Preparing for our employee rubber gloves. preparing for our employee awards dinner in a few weeks.

Um as well as our volunteer recognition dinner which you all are all invited to. Um which is April 13th for all of our planning commission, arts commission and other volunteer board members and a plus one. It'll be a good event. Um I work on the city newsletter for the employees um and a bunch of other little clerical tasks. But it's good work. It's not just busy. I feel like I'm I'm making a difference and I hope that that's Thank you for having always a great smile in the office. So, thank you. Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you. So, um after that I'll there will be a little hiatus. I'm doing a two week study abroad in South Korea and Japan

right after the semester is over at the beginning of May. Um and then I'm going to be working in the city council office at Provo City for the summer. So, um and then that will that that'll go Yeah, I will be I will be begging to come back to Pleasant Grove City. I'm sure Mayor Mayor Jenkins will take care of you. Come back and report though. Yeah. Okay. I will. I will. Um so yeah, I'll be there for the summer and then throughout my second year of my master's program and then we'll see where life takes us. So hopefully there's a timeline where one of those um brings me back here to Pleasant Grove. Thank you. Yeah. Okay,

Dion, beat that. Dion, beat that. No, beat that.

Yeah, I'm not going to go there. Um, I did get a paper cut a little while ago, but um, just I just want you guys to know, uh, how well used your parks and trails are. Um, there's been multiple days the last couple weeks where Cook Park has reminded me of the ribbon cutting. It's just packed. And you go to the other parks, they're the same way. Your trails, they're moon dust already. We don't hit that until June or July. And so just pray for some rain because we could really use it especially if Neil's not going to let us water till May. So that's all I had.

Thank you. Chief Engleman if you have anything else. No, we we're good then. Yeah, they made it home uh last week. They made it back safe and sound. They asked to go out again, but we got some other training, some manning issues that we're working on. We couldn't get them out right away. So, get to get some training stuff going, we'll move on to do that. We're commenting on your shirt. We like your shirt. Well, thank you. I mean, it looks good on you, but shirt, but I have to start lifting. Oh, have to start going to start going to the rec center with the firemen.

Things are going good, though. We're moving right along. We got a couple guys in camp still. We do have two guys that are out on some injuries. One of our captains pulled his bicep, popped his bicep and pulled it up. So, trying to get a few shifts covered here and that we're like say we're plugging along, having a good time and and uh just been a busy year where it's already kicking up and um moving along. We're you'll probably see some trucks in the parking lot in the next month or two from training exercise we got coming up, some driving exercises, and we're working with this Alps committee. We're doing a little uh uh some SOP stuff. We're doing some high-rise buildings and some, you know, between us and Lehi and AF, they we have a lot of these five, six, seventory story apartment buildings. So, we're trying to get a a good plan on how to work with these uh types of buildings, how many is going to take, what we need to do, and stuff like that. So, other than that, we're just move.

Thank you, Chief. All right. Thanks, Daniel. Do you have anything else to add for us tonight? Neil, we're just gonna bypass you. Okay, Denise, do you have anything? Andy by Scott, Tina, Sierra, nothing. Okay. All right, Scott.

Just real quick, appreciate uh mayor, council, um sometimes obviously in city government, we have to have hard discussions about this. And our responsibility as staff is to represent what we feel is in the best interest of the city. Your responsibility of council is in the best interest of our citizens. So sometimes that's a little bit of a tough balance. We do not take offense if the council feels different than what we're recommending. It's it's okay for us to have that discussion. So we do recognize that there are decisions that are going to be made that um that you you will be the one that will be scrutinized on that. So we we'll proceed. I just I do appreciate you. It it is it's great. We have a great city here. We have great staff, great support from the elected officials.

Couldn't ask for any anything more than that. So, okay. Uh, scheduling, we already covered it. Volunteer dinner on the 13th. Employee awards on the 16th. Council meetings are going to be on the 14th and the 28th for April, the 2nd and fourth Tuesdays because of spring break in Utah League of Cities and Towns on the 1st and 3rd. So, just want to make sure you are aware of that. I've sent all those out as far as calendar items. There'll be one more calendar item coming tomorrow. There's a ribbon coming coming Friday, but there's a time to be determined to Yeah, send that to me and I'll pass that along. Okay, that's all I got. Thank you. All right. So, Sid, do you have anything for us tonight? Thank you, Dustin.

I just want to uh thank uh the fire department for hosting me. I was a dark cloud if I understood the terminology correctly. spent about five hours with our uh uh fire chief and the team and uh no calls during the five hours, but apparently as soon as I left uh they had what four the rest of the night? Yeah. So, you need to spend more time there. I can tell. Well, that's that's right. I would I would think I need to be there a lot more often and maybe the police station. I should spend some time there, too, to help uh minimize the activity. But um appreciated the opportunity, the hosting and making me feel welcome there. So, thank you.

Thank you, Council Member Rogers. I just had a a couple things I don't want to revisit too much about the budget, but one of the things that I'm, I guess, a little more interested in this year than we were last year, and we talked about it in the budget retreat, is the special events coordinator position. Um, I think we have a really talented individual that runs our special events. I think that's one of the things that people love about our city. and I would hate to miss out on an opportunity to make sure that that person feels like, you know, we're we're willing to to hire her on maybe full-time. I just feel like some of the things that make our city special um are those events and the community gathering that we have. So, I I would just I don't want to I know it wasn't recommended. I don't know why, but in the next budget meeting, that's something that I I think most of the council, if I read the room right, is interested in revisiting to having be funded.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, we'll we'll have that discussion on the 14th and council wants to fund it, then we'll we'll put it in there.

Okay. Yeah. No, I'll have other things to bring up during that meeting, but I I I appreciate the discussion about these items because, you know, we get them a little bit late in the in the deal because we have to approve, I think, by the end of May, our last meeting in May, end of June. And so, we'll approve like a provisional budget or whatever, a tenative budget in May. So, I mean, we only have a couple more meetings and I I suspect that we'll need to set aside a lot of time to deal with this because not only are our enterprises feeling the pinch because it's more expensive to maintain them, all of our residents are feeling the pinch because it's just so expensive to live. So, I think that all of our collective brains thinking about how we can maximize the limited resources we have as a city to make sure we have, you know, our utilities and all of those things running our public safety where it needs to be, but also to ensure that our city is livable for its residents financially. All of those things I think we can maybe come together on and make some some decisions that ensure that uh we're not forgetting just how how much our residents, some of them are feeling the pinch right now. So, I'm I'm excited to continue the discussion and thank you for uh you know, bringing all the information to us so we can start to to kind of digest it.

Thank you, Council Member Anderson. Yes. Um well said. Thank you. Um also, I know that the time and effort behind this conversation um as staff was intense and I know it's very thought out. Um I know that the um directors um are very very mindful of every penny and uh so I'm I'm also sending a big shout out to the all the staff. It I mean it's just I'm just always amazed at what they get done. Anyway, Todd,

uh, I just echo everything that's been said. I'm I'm I'm good. Thanks. I I forgot to mention, mayor, I'm sorry. I just for what Sierra provided, and I know Denise provided the information, I just want to make sure that it's it's clear some of the stuff that we're looking at is that the city right now has a rainy day fund of of $4 million. And I think that's important for the residents to know that we

and again, I think this is a product of having very talented staff. I made that clear last meeting that I really think our directors and our our people are just doing everything they can to help the city be stable and I think having a $4 million rainy day fund is, you know, exemplifies those efforts. So, thank you.

Great. Um, I just have a few items. Uh, this last week I had the opportunity to go out with um through Mag with Mills on Wheels a couple awesome residents. Um Aaron Kern has been a volunteer I think over three years. And then actually the lady that runs Mills on Wheels and kind of the PR Stephanie Benson actually lives in Pleasant Grove. And so it was it was a great opportunity to go out and engage and and see some of our uh senior citizens um and and talk with them and and and really just engage again with them and see what's important to them. And it really does matter because sometimes it is the only visit they get in a week or weeks. And so, uh, it was something special to do that. And so, thank you to our two great volunteers and many other volunteers that do so many things in our in our city. And so, thank you again, Aaron and and Stephanie. Um, tomorrow we I have a lunchon for the chamber and it's an old colleague of mine from high school. actually he's a renowned uh speaker and author and he's going to talk to people about the art of the closing the deal marketing and sales and so if you're interested come to the chamber around noon and we'll take care of you and feed you and that is it. Anything else Scott?

Okay. Um with that I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Mayor make a motion that we adjourn. Okay. We so excited. We have a motion by council member Anderson and a mot second by council member Rogers. All those in favor? I. Okay.