Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Oh, yeah. One of the things is Yeah, we're we've got approval of minutes on there. So, we do. Okay. So, actually, I guess that's that's first item. So, I guess first thing on the roll call, we'll make sure that Rick's Rick's included on the agenda for the roll call. So, that's for this this month's agenda for the minutes approval. We can take his name on. Oh, jeez. Yeah, we can just take his name on. And it does say Charlie instead of Harley. Don't be picky, Charlie. That's my fault.

When you didn't add the approval of the minutes, I went both so I copied them from another. Also, also it always auto corrects to Charlie cuz I'm naive. So, I'm not offended by that. No, same. So, we wanted to do Yeah. I thought it was across the way he was talking. Yeah. I don't know where it was going to be, but Yeah. Well, we consider that first of the year. Yeah. I mean, we'll probably people put their stuff down and then meander over there. We have site plan. Okay. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah. We'll do that. Well, we'll again looks like we're not going to have applications for December. We're not have a So sad. I mean, hi Jared. Yes. You're you are welcome. Is it A or B? Not physically next time. Just here.

We did the straight. That's what I was going to say. Here. So, yeah, we'll we'll figure it out when we get there. Yeah. That way we don't have to be like, "All right, where am I today?" Yeah, figure it out when we get there. We'll plan on him like after the first of the year. Um, okay. So removing that name and then on the on the minutes for October did the I'm trying to find is the I don't think I have all the church is the church I only have up to application I was thinking that sounds

in my packet there there's like five and six right I don't know are. What the heck? Not a big deal. We No, I can run up and print them real quick. I was going to say or we can just save meeting minutes for, you know, next meeting if we want to adopt on the next meeting. Yeah. Do the trick. That That's fine. Yeah, that's fine. We can wait until the next We can just hold and wait adoption of meeting. You sure? Yeah. till the next meetings and then you can take your time to print them, make sure they're all set, plan,

go from there. In the meantime, uh we do have one application tonight which is essentially removal of an existing fire scheme. I've got time. I'm gonna run up and do one lesson. Okay. I was going to save you the chair.

If you'd like, that's fine. Is it 66 Brinker too? Yeah, this is the street. Yeah, that's the street sign placement that was supposed a few weeks ago, right? Emily, did you have any specifics you've thought and either review that were notable for the board or No. Okay. Just a standard approval. Okay. Along with the ship recommendation,

I was going to say we do have a ship in it in there, but the full letter in there. Uh we do have a short one seeker.

I I'm confused. Okay. My This is all stapled together. 98 Ohio Road, but my shipo letter and and yours as well says 66 Brinker Hoff. It's just a whole project. Mine says does say 66 Brinker looks which page I I looked at the one from earlier like the right one is online. Like there is one for 98 Ohio. Yeah, I saw it online today. Oh, sign replacement. Yeah, I think it's just the wrong one. So, the 98 Ohio is not in there at all. It's 66,

but it seems like the other stuff is like this is right. It must be the wrong letter. I'm pretty sure it says like that was the one from last week probably. That's October 7. Yep. Oh, so then the form as well. A couple of them got were grabbed incorrectly. Oh, the staff report too. The staff report.

I was going to say so county referral. Yeah. The whole back of the packets. Yes. Forms there.

Yeah. Emily just went too small. heads for the day.

Just on calls all day. It's just natural at that point. It's just Yeah. Yep. Love it that it's the historical association to the planning board. Historic site planning. It's a nice con. We said it's nice that it's it's funny that it's the historical association coming in front of the planning board for for historical site planning review. You know,

probably tell us something about you tell us this.

I wish they Yeah, there's a lot of really really wonderful old buildings maybe they're not in like in the point historical district but in my opinion should be looked at closer our power is limited by what's nominated you guys go to the uh planning board meetings down lately we did not I did not make it to that one I heard it was lively what that it was very lively what came up

it was that I both of them um there were a lot of people people are very passionate they're very scared sure and very angry sure yeah like and they I've been on a pl chair I've done all I did all the training you know and um But people don't understand is because they don't comfortably don't want that. The board really had no choice. Right. Exactly. If it fits who you know. Yeah.

Can't vote no just because you don't like it. Was the useless not right.

Okay. So it's not, you know, our building has gone through multiple uses prior to this one and this one is seems like the least in less intensive use than any of the other. I'll convince you since building code has inspector has reviewed it.

Yeah. that there's no need for that as a egress route then seems pretty straightforward. I was going to say as long as the building inspector has cleared Yeah. What was the what was that building used for when it was the base when the base had it? The fan was building. I'm sorry. bad building and we like to put a marker but we can't prove that it was bad building but then we have pictures it was a post office um it was um I can't remember after the uh airport's office was seated as a an office building

okay and then it was left vacant and I've seen pictures from when it was given to the park gave it to the society in 2006 pictures. Oh yeah, absolutely. President of our board was this is before who was the shop teacher in good person to have on your great volunteer.

Yeah. says it says in I was looking at the uh building structure inventory form for MIDI's nomination if house members of the band but what what what's the band? Sorry, I'm not familiar. Would have been the army band. It's like a musical. Yeah, musical band. I didn't know the army had a musical band. Musical absolutely has a band. Somebody's got to be playing the drums out front. March them in battle, I guess. Yeah. I mean it was ground when Teddy Roosevelt came up to like the grounds and the still a big thing in the military to like be a part of the band. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Now it's more you know that side of the base was army before the air force came.

It was also Navy and it also had Marines here for a bit. Had the Marines here as well. They had come for training. Yeah. So like the main oval section of that I mean they they use that for true like uh drill almost. Yeah. So parade even parade like a parade route. Yeah. In the battle of Platsburg there was Fort Maro was um the end where the chapel is but on the old Okay. And Scott was down behind where the hoging trail. Yeah, there's the there's a little thing there. Yeah, for Scott

monument. I think my dogs love to sniff at it. I was doing some research on the history of Valkor Island in that area. I had one job to do and I screwed up. That was very formative last time. Remember I had the wrong one? It's a Okay. Thanks. We got nothing but Yeah. Not a lot going on tonight. I'm sorry. What' you say? Anybody? I think he just came in to get warm.

Jerry, here is more than me. No, that's one to use that. Do you have another set? I do have one more set. Well, I have Do you have two copies of this? Just whatever you just ran off. Yes. Great. Thank you. Oh, sorry. Did I steal yours?

There is no money referral form. Yeah. So now this and then now our meeting minutes go from I was going to say

this which would there's a number of meeting minutes for like house of prayer justice. Yeah. for them today. So the minutes won't necessarily contain all the conditions. I mean, if you have

or would they should they if you have things within the minutes that aren't captured or stated differently and you bring it up before we leave? Is that something that we were looking to do or is that just Andrew's preference for this that we all review the minutes before we send them out? I think we well I think we just in review is my understanding that minutes were being prepared and posted but they weren't becoming in front they weren't coming in front of the little guy. I was not aware. Yeah. So it was decided if we have you know we have minutes they should be in front of Okay.

Yeah. I was just Yeah. the training I just did in um Lake Placid. It's the same guy every year. It's the planning board head association was saying Lake Placid, whatever the planning board federation one does. It's like a one day get all your credits or whatever. So he's the he's the head guy and he's a lawyer. So he was saying it's you can review the minutes and approve them, but you can also just enter them like into the record for whatever legal yes, you know, planning the that you need for it. So tomato tomato for me doesn't matter but I didn't know if we were doing it like the like the department reviews going to the appointment uh for the county as a requirement or not but anyway

what have we asked about before for the historic structures on the base I Remember somebody came in for a fence, but they were trying to attach to the structure. This is removing that structure that fence from the structure. In this case, we were really just looking for that, right? How are you going to attach that? Where does what is it going to look like when you're gone? We had that bus windows. I'm all screwed up figuring out what the hell they did the roofs on all the old officers buildings. I think that was just looking when the apartment one of the apartment buildings adjacent to the uh where the Y is. Yeah. That was being renovated in front of us.

Uh this building has been in front of us before. I think you did some improvements on the front porch. Yes. And repairs that this has been Yeah. It also says they got an approval in 2020 for windows. Yeah. should, but we won't tell anybody. You did. You did. You did. Okay. She was on the board. Yeah. She's our bookkeeper. Oh, yeah. Believe it.

We should have been here. We would have been she she might have been on the board then. She might have been. Yeah. She she so scary. And that's good. Yeah. Yeah. Glad about that. So the only maybe only significant comment is that any kind of mortar repair or pointing that was shipp's main boards with appropriate materials. Think

I think they'll do building. Yeah, I would hope you guys would do it. So I guess any other discussion about we have a few more minutes. I just wanted to I think one of the note conditions I wanted to note one of the conditions for the for the discussion items for the We do that as previous for the meeting. Yeah.

Yes. For number seven, the plastic coast of fair. I think uh we didn't just ask for calculations of the volume that the landscape uh the rainwater swells would hold but also asked for a detail uh typical detail showing the u like the construction of it so that it actually functions because we talked about how if it's already paved area you're unpaving it. It's just compacted ground. So really nothing would absorb there. It needs to have I just wanted like a section. Well, you know your standard detail sheet you show like a rain garden and what those different

soil layers should be. Sorry, I'm not a civil engineer, so I don't have all the language, but get it right. That kind of Yeah, that kind of standard detail should be indicated. Okay. On the drawings with curve cuts and everything else that we ask for. I believe I remember having that conversation and I thought that that had been a request as part of that conversation with um because we talked about the grass it's like okay well grass is fine but also what's on your really impacts the absorption yeah infiltration. Sure. And for all intents and purposes, we ask for construction level details,

right? It goes hand in hand with all these other things. We're asking for the typical Yeah. details. It would be for a rain bar infiltration basin. Sure.

Oh, maybe it's down here, but it's not it's it I think it's the second last point, but I think we should just Oh, yeah. I see where I see where it is. Yeah. Yeah, that was more that was that was specific to the curb detailing showing. Well, oh, I see what you're saying. Requested cross-sectional detailing regard, you know, regarding

Yeah, say what it's regarding and then you're guard. storm water managed. Okay. So, we'll put back didn't jive with my

uh is this the final? We're going to say that's tenative. That's tenative. It could change, but for now, that's what we want. So, this is just for us to see and then you're going to run it through like the building department and make sure they're good with it. Um they've seen it. uh going on two weeks now. So, okay. Okay. Final unless you sounds that way. Sounds like it's final unless something comes up. Yeah. Okay.

Send it to my office manager to prove right at home. So, we're always the the fourth Monday, not the last Monday. See, correct. Okay. Is this synchronized with the county review then? Uh I think they try to county after the county board, right? Um deadline. That way they can still submit.

I think this is the way that they had tried to do it. The biggest question is whether you can make the referrals in line with the planning meeting which I don't I think that generally aligned but Andrew said he was trying to do that after the first meeting. So he said basically after that first meeting it should get back in in line just that first one maybe. Guess I should probably have the school breaks on here, but I don't know if they're in goes through.

Yeah, but I think we're okay. It's usually the middle of the month. The only one I'll I guess I'll bring up is the um Memorial Day holiday is the day before the one on the in in May there like we're moving that to Tuesday. So it's May 26th. Yeah, May 26. So that's the Tuesday right after the holiday. I don't know if we usually go the day after the holiday or not. Yeah, we have. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Otherwise, you're in the you'd be in the Well, unless you did the Monday before

did the Monday before, but then I think probably you're doing too short because that's the same day. You can't do it that day because that's the same day as the zoning board. That's where the problem is usually, right? Between between that and common council, right? Yeah. Trying to arrange arrange just the space. Yep. Okay. That may also be Is zoning board in here, too? Yeah. Obviously, I don't know why I thought they were somewhere else because we say we're sending it off to them. I just think they're somewhere else. I think they're in a different building. I think it comes down to weren't anything. I think so. They have that capability. I just don't know why it's never occurred to me that they would be here too. I honestly thought that they also existed in the whole

somewhere else. They're in another year. I'm not seeing that it overlaps with any school calendar. your sites has them on here. And then the only thing that fluctuates obviously is they've automatically adjusted the planning board date for Christmas. Yeah. Or the Christmas grave. Normally Normally it would fall like the 28th. The 28th. Yeah. That's always a problem, right? Having a

Yeah. And in in that case, it's actually coordinated that the zoning board moved back a week as well. It looks like Yeah, I think so. Yep. They actually named that. It's 6 o' rise for the pledge of allegiance. Sorry. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Um, roll call, please. Jim Abdala, yes. Abby Muser, yes. Tom Cost, yes. Carly Liry,

yes. And then let's see, Andrew is uh present. Emily and Barbara here. Uh we do have uh meeting minutes which we reviewed in the premeating. Maybe there was one comment in regards to let's see it' be the last application item 7 pl 25-02 detailed review um barb all the way to the let's see the second to last bullet there was some added verbage that Abby wanted to add to that statement.

Okay, I think that gave you update.

So, which application number? So, it's the it's the last page. So, if you go to the last page, uh second to last bullet for application seven. Okay, it says uh Abby uh her request requested cross-sectional detail showing excavation and base layers. Uhhuh. Want to add regarding rain gardening slash storm water maning? Yeah. regarding rain garden gardening and

slash storm water management storm water management. Okay. Y thank you. And if there's no other comments that that's acceptable. Uh do I have a motion to accept the minutes? Make a motion to accept the minutes. Second. Second. Roll call. Jim Abdala. Yes. Abby Merur. Yes. Tom Castro. Yes. Carly Larry. Yes. Okay. And then also I apologize. Uh in the premeating we discussed on the agenda that Rick's name should be removed from the roll call in the agenda.

Yeah. I've gotten by Rick Perry and correct Carly Lir's name corrected Carly. So, and then we do have one application tonight. Uh, it's planning board application number 25-13 historic site review. Uh, this is for a project at 98 Ohio Avenue or Firecape 8.

Yes, that's correct. So, again, it's 98 Ohio a Fire escape removal. The applicant requests to remove the existing fire escape stairs on the exterior of the north side of the building located at 98 Ohio AB. The parcel is zoned RC2 recreational and related uses. The applicant is Jerry Fabro who is present tonight. This is the front view of the building. Um, this is the current location of the Clinton County Historical Association Museum. Property was constructed in 1905 and has an interesting history. Originally built by the US Army to house the 21st infiltr band and later the 26 infilt bands were a very important part of military and social life on the base. Band members were housed and fed in the building. Other uses under the army were as the first home of the ROC on the base and as a post office. When the Air Force took over the base in 55, the additional uses were air division headquarters, housing for security, police, disaster preparedness, services squandrum, and scout center. And lastly, the building became the home of the Clinton County Historical Association in 2007. This is a look of that scape. trust that one support

back to you for one second. Yep. Is that a window or a door above the window?

Thank you. We sent out um this application for ship review. And they came back and said that based on this review, they have no concerns of the proposed removal, but that any necessary repairs or mortar patching should be done with historically appropriate materials. And then we staff recommend is a type two action for this application. We did not have any comments or concerns from any city departments on this application and staff recommends acceptance of the historic site review as it is with um consideration of the ship letter.

Thank you. Um, Mrs. Fabro, did you have anything else you wanted to add? No, Dr. Lee, I think we said that will take care of and and we will make sure that if there's any repairs that be done, right? Okay. Thank you. Any other questions?

Okay. Um, thank you. We do have uh recommendation from staff uh to find this as a type two actually. We have a public hearing for this application. You put it out, right? Yeah. You don't have it on the agenda.

Yeah. So, I advertised it.

You did advertise it. Yeah, we can still do it. Yeah, I was going to say we'll uh Okay, move to open public hearing. Does anybody have comment in the public? Okay, no one online. No, there's no one online tonight. Okay, not a hot topic to close the public short.

Oh, I'm a little bit confused. The ship letter says that they are a US old value increase historic system. contributing resource to US storage and US in the US historic district. Don't think that we are. I think we're outside. We are in the designated designated war. So

So there are some there are based on my understanding some definite different interpretations of the oval historic and and substantially contiguous city areas. Um so that's okay with me. I'm all right with that. Yeah. Yeah. Did we go to anyway? Yes. Anytime he's in our gate. Yes. Yes. Maybe maybe we can try to look in the record and clarify some of those questions in future.

Um, so we've held a public hearing. Um I guess do I have a motion uh from someone on the board to accept it's uh dering this as a type two actions with no you know no further review necessary. I'll make a motion to classify it as a type two seeker with no further action necessary. Okay. Second. I'll second. Roll call. Jim Abdala. Yes. Abby Muser. Yes. Tom Cospro. Yes. Carly Liry. Yes.

And final final item is to uh for a motion before the applications. Any other comment or condition? Whoever adopts a motion. I think just including that if they have to do any repairs that they do them historic would how to ship word it uh done with historically appropriate materials in accordance with NPS preservation briefing too. Yeah. Just including that the motion.

Sure. Okay. Have a second. Second. Roll call. Jim Abdala. Yes. Abby Nerd. Yes. Tom Costro. Yes. Carly Liry. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Have a great night.

Last item. Uh others business. So the planning board is looking for regular and alternative members regarded to apply. So when you can elaborate a little Yeah, we've put out um several various means of communicating that we're looking for for members um the council, our website, word of mouth. We very briefly had something up on social media. Um, but we have not had much luck at all getting any interest at

Oh, sorry. Oh, I was just going to say I ran into one of the former alternates who did not express interest um when I asked him if he would if he would uh join because they had just got off all the other boards. But um I had the same conversation. Yeah. If there was anybody else that uh was looking to rejoin. Well, and our other alternate is now in charge. What about uh is it Sarah? The other alternate you had was Yeah, Sarah. I didn't I She also I think had her baby and probably is like good for now. Is it How many people do we need to be able to vote? Three.

Okay. Great. But it does put it does it does put an applicant at a little bit of a disadvantage with the just four, right? Because if we were deadlocked, someone would have to come in over us. Or if or if for whatever reason the county disapproved it, well, now they need a majority vote from or or a full all four, okay, to vote it. So it has to be unanimous. Has to be unanimous again, right? So Yeah. Um I guess if anybody knows anybody two or six.

Did we already talk about where those are? Two and six. Do you have a map of the wards? Honestly, it's okay. I don't even know that many people in Platsburg. I don't I don't know if I'm going to know them by neighborhood. W two is the south part of the city. It is south, right? And then w six is does include the base I think doesn't it? Six the oval. No one is the oval. Well the oval. So six the opposite side of six would be the new base. Then the new base. Yeah. The only person I know is already on the zoning board. Thanks. Thanksgiving's coming up. Ask around the table. So,

I mean it honestly at this point I mean open members anywhere in the city as long as the mayor's office is is anybody except I I don't know. I'm assuming question mayor know can the mayor appoint somebody or I'm assuming the counselors are also reaching out to some of their constituents. I've talked to them. Yeah. And I have not gotten any leads from the counselors at all about from the mayor. Um, Andrew was going to talk to him about going to the Rotary and but I don't know if he has yet. So hopefully something come with that. Great. So in the meantime,

if somebody's interested, we just have them reach out to you. Yep. And then I just have a little short application. Okay. Say they were here observing a board meeting. Say they were observing a board meeting and they were curious about how to join. Is that why you're here? Uh, it could be. Even if it was for class credit. Uh, yeah. You can't do it. You picked a good a very quick one. Yeah. This has been a incredibly weird experience, but yeah. I mean, should have been here last month. Picked a good meeting to come to. Last month we had

we were here till 900 p.m. We had seven items. Yeah. Okay. Well, I make a motion to adjurnn. All in favor? No.