Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

It is 7 o'clock Tuesday, September 1, 2026. And welcome to the regularly scheduled Pittsburgh County Planning Commission regular meeting. Please call the roll.

Mr. Oaks. Here. Mr. Dalton. Here. Ms. Meese. Mr. Webb. Here. Ms. Henderson. Here. Mr. Shelton. Mr. Bartz. Here. Mr. Fares. Here.

If you would, join me in a moment of silence followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

Thanks be to God.

Is there a motion on the agenda?

Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion that we approve the agenda.

Thank you, Ms. Stokes. Is there a second?

I'll second.

Thank you, Ms. Henderson. Any other questions, comments, or motions? Please cast your vote. Motion passes 6-0. Next item is the approval of the minutes. Before we get to that, I have one minor issue with the minutes. It was related to the write-up on case R-26-034. We need to switch the opening and closing times. We had it opening at 16 and closing at 17. Well, I had that backwards. It was 17, we opened it, and 16, we closed it. So we just need to switch the times. Anyone else have issues with the minutes? Do I have a motion on the adjusted minutes? I'll make a motion to accept adjustment. Thank you, Mr. Ferris. Is there a second?

I'll second.

Thank you, Ms. Henderson. Are there any other motions, questions, comments? Please cast your vote. Motion passes six to zero. Next item, item seven, chairman's report. nothing really to report at this time other than to say thank you for everyone who has participated in the, uh, Pennsylvania County, uh, Comprehensive Plan, uh, project. I think the website has closed out for, uh, surveys. So, uh, again, thank you for those who have done it. Moving on to item eight, hearing of the citizens. Each person addressing the board under hearing the citizen shall be a resident or landowner of the county or the registered agent of such landowner. Each person shall step up, give his or her name and district in an audible tone of voice for the record, and unless further time is granted by the chairman, shall limit his or her address to three minutes. No person shall be permitted to address the board more than once during the hearing of citizens. All remarks shall be addressed to the board as a body and not to any individual member thereof. Hearing of the citizens shall last for a maximum of 45 minutes. Any individual that has signed up to speak during said section who does not get the opportunity to do so because of the aforementioned time limit shall be given speaking priority at the next board meeting. Absent chairman's approval, no person shall be able to speak who has not signed up. Has anyone signed up to speak?

Yes, sir. Ms. Lori Greco.

Yes, my name is Lori Greco. I'm from the Chatham District. I'm here once again to speak about this solar stuff that keeps going on in our neighborhoods and how it came in on the sneak, very deceitfully, with this rezoning stuff that you're constantly doing. It was only told that they were going to build a house and some hay across the street, but that's not what it was. There is a house going over there, but solar also is coming in with that rezoning. They're tearing down trees right now. And that certified letter that I got, the man I was supposed to contact who would not call me back is from your economic development committee. And his name and his number is also on that Pennsylvania County solar website. Same guy, same email. And so we lied about why we needed to be rezoned. And then we're supposed to trust you with more economic development? Are you out of your minds? What is really going on here? We're being plowed over. This is a wrecking ball in this community. You are destroying our neighborhoods. You are destroying our farms right at a time where, you know, they're selling out beef to other countries and there's problems with lettuce and genetically modified and lab-grown everything. And I'm speaking to everybody, not just the board. This is getting ridiculous. We have to support our farms and our farmers. This is your food. This is what you people eat. What are you supposed to eat? You're not going to eat solar. I mean, all it's doing is wrecking farmland. You know, one of you has mentioned the Bible. I don't think he's here today. I'm not allowed to address you specifically anyway. But I'll address the Bible too. Psalm 50 verses 10 and 11 says that all the beasts of the mountains and the animals of the field belong to him. And he knows every bird of the heavens. They belong to him. You know, your goldfish, Fluffy, that ain't yours either, so you better take care of it and give it fresh water and food every day. Because he's going to take account of that. Not one sparrow will fall without his knowing of it. That's what the Bible says. So how many sparrows have fallen to your crappy solar? Huh? Are these animals being relocated? Have they been to some Indian reservation? I hope so, because they care more about the land than you guys do. This is ridiculous. You are ruining everything about this county. And I'm speaking to all these citizens. Where are you tonight? You were warned about this. You were crying about this on Facebook and everywhere else, but you don't show up. None of you show up and then you cry because it's in your backyards. When are you people going to stop? You keep approving it. You give everything he wants to because he writes you checks. We were also told the last time, this is one of the few people that are writing you checks that are asking for more favors. Well, which ones aren't writing their checks? And are they still in operation? Are their bulldozers still plowing over box turtles and everything else? You know, what about the pileated woodpeckers and the Chatham Eagle? I haven't seen him since that one went on in Tight Squeeze Road. That's the last place I saw him when it was a field. It is no longer a field. It is a nightmare. This is getting really, really disgusting. I am so sick of this county and the decisions that you make are just absolutely horrific. You don't care about your citizens. We write you checks too. Every single citizen writes you a check or you confiscate our land. Like that belongs to you as well. It does not. It belongs to him. It all belongs to him. But you destroy it. And you care nothing. And these citizens, they care nothing either because they're not here. What is going on? Why do we not care about this land and this blessing which he has given us? And the food. What are you going to eat? Don't come banging on my door because I'll throw a rotten egg at your head. I'm sick and tired of this. What are you going to do? Eat your revenue? I hope you choke. I mean, this is getting disgusting. When are you going to stop?

You're three minutes.

Okay, good.

Anyone else sign up?

No, sir.

Moving on to item 9, public hearing. Pursuant to Article 5, Division 7 of the Pennsylvania County Zoning Ordinance, we, the Planning Commission, have been empowered to hear and decide specific applications in support of said ordinance and to make recommendations to the Board of Supervisors or the Board of Zoning Appeals In accomplishing this important task, we are charged with promoting the health, safety, and general welfare of the citizens of Pennsylvania County. We must ensure that all our decisions and recommendations be directed to these goals and that each be consistent with the environment, the comprehensive plan, and in the best interest of Pennsylvania County, its citizens, and its posterity. Anyone here to speak to the board regarding zoning cases will be limited to three minutes. It is now 7-10. Public hearing for case R-26-037 is now open. Ms. Smith.

Good evening. Case R-26-037, Fert Mitigation LLC requests rezoning of 15.41 acres from R-1 to A-1 on property located on Albeck Drive in the Stanton River Election District to allow for agricultural use. Continued upon approval of the rezoning, the applicant intends to combine the property with the adjacent A1 parcel. The application packet and staff summary are included in your agenda packet, and the petitioner is here to represent the petition should you have any questions.

Anything you'd like to add?

My name is David Jordan. I'm the owner of Burt Mitigation LLC. I purchased the property about a year ago. It's about 220 acres and it's four parcels. It was already put into a conservation easement with Blue Ridge Land Conservancy. But it only gives two subdivision rights and there's four parcels. So it doesn't make sense to have four partials and only two subdivision rights. So I'm consolidating the property, but there's an issue with one of the properties of it being R1, so I can't consolidate it with the other properties. I just want to explain a little bit of my business. I do wetland mitigation work, wetland and stream mitigation. It's all hydric soils in that floodplain, so we'll be doing a wetland mitigation bank, restoring Reed Creek, restoring the tributaries of Reed Creek, and planting about 600 trees per acre on the site. So that's what I'm planning on doing on the site. Just wanted to give you some heads up where it's going. Anyone have any questions?

Thank you. Anyone sign up to speak to this case?

No, sir.

Is there anyone here who would like to speak to this case? It is now 7-12. Public hearing for case R-26-037 is now closed. Mr. Ferris.

Mr. Chairman, in case R-26-037, I recommend approval as submitted.

We have a first. Is there a second?

I'll second.

Thank you, Ms. Henderson. Are there any other motions, questions, or comments? Seeing none, please cast your vote. Motion passes 6-0. It's now 7-13. Public hearing for case R-26-038 is now open. Ms. Smith.

Victor Hudson requests a rezoning of 0.77 acres from R-1 to A-1 on property located on U.S. Highway 29 in the Callens-Gretna Election District to allow for agricultural use. Contingent upon approval of the rezoning, the applicant intends to combine the parcel with the adjacent A1 property. The application packet and staff summary are included in your agenda packet, and the applicant is here should you have any questions.

Mr. Hudson, is there anything you need to add? Anyone have any questions? Anyone sign up to speak to this case?

No, sir.

Is anyone here who would like to speak to this case? No. Seeing none, it is now 7-14. Public hearing for case R-26-038 is now closed. Floor is open for a motion. Mr. Oaks.

Mr. Chairman, in case R-26-038, I make a recommendation that we change the zoning from R-1 to A-1.

Chair has a first. Is there a second? I'll second. Thank you, Mr. Ferris. Are there any other motions, questions, or comments?

Mr. Chairman, could I make a comment, please? Yes, sir. Right here. Thank you, sir. I just wanted to say that I haven't had any opposition, anybody complaining about this rezoning, so everything should be good. Good deal. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir.

All right. Minus any other motions, questions, or comments, please cast your vote. Motion passes 6-0. It's now 7-15. The public hearing for case R-26-039 is now open. Ms. Smith.

Reggie Todd, ISM requests a rezoning of 16.047 acres from R1 to A1 on property located on Keeling Drive in the Dan River Election District to allow for agricultural use. Contingent upon approval of the rezoning, the applicant intends to consolidate the parcel with the adjacent A1 property. The application packet and staff summary are included in the agenda packet, and the applicant is here should you have any questions.

Is there anything you would like to add to what was submitted, Mr. Eisen? Okay, does he need to add anything? Does anyone have any questions for Mr. Eisen? Thank you. Anyone sign up to speak to this case?

No, sir.

Is there anyone here who would like to speak to this case? Seeing no one, the floor is now the public hearing for case R-26-040. No, I got the wrong one. Case R-26-039 is now closed. The floor is open for a motion. Mr. Barks.

Mr. Chairman, with case R-26-039, I recommend that we rezone from R-1 to A-1.

Is there a first? Is there a second? I'll second. Thank you, Mr. Shelton. Are there any other motions, questions, or comments? Seeing none, please cast your vote. Motion passes 6-0. It's now 7-17. Public hearing for case R-26-040 is now open. Ms. Smith.

Jerome Adams of Bethel Lake Church of Christ, Incorporated, and is designated agent for Reginald Carter, requests a rezoning of 0.312 acres from A1 to RC1 on property located on Mount Cross Road, State Road 844 in the Tunstall Election District to allow for residential use and to combine the parcel with the adjacent RC1 property. Contingent upon approval of that rezoning, the applicant intends to combine the parcels. The applicant, the application packet and the staff summary are included in your agenda packet and Mr. Adams and Mr. Carter are both here should you have any questions.

Anything either one of you need to add? Does anyone have any questions? Did anyone sign up to speak to this case?

No, sir.

Is there anyone here who would like to speak to this case? Seeing no one, the Public hearing for case R-26-040 is now closed. The floor is open for a motion. Mr. Oaks.

Mr. Chairman, in case R-26-040, I recommend that we change the zoning from A1 to RC1. Chair heads first.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

Thank you, Ms. Henderson. Are there any other motions, questions, or comments? Seeing none, please cast your vote. Motion passes 6-0. It's now 7-18. Public hearing for case S-26-026 is now open. Ms. Smith.

Firefly Energy LLC, as designated agent for Larry Burnett, requests a special use permit for temporary construction access on 19.98 acres of A1 zoned property located on Cardwell Lane, State Road 899, in the Dan River Election District, in accordance with Pennsylvania County Code 35-179. The application packet and the staff summary are included in the agenda packet, and representatives from Firefly Energy LLC are here should you have any questions.

Anything you need to add to what was submitted before the panel has any questions? Okay. Anyone have any questions on this?

I have a question with where the zoning for the – entrance would be on these smaller back roads, would there be flagging? Because with these road conditions, they're not very wide if you had two large vehicles meet just looking at safety concerns.

Yes, please come forward.

my name is adam peterson i'm representative of firefly energy llc so these prior approved project in april 2022 this is to your question this additional entrance will still need to go through the building permit process with pennsylvania county also through vdot how this came up for need for additional access was to reduce land disturbance within the parcel and remove some stream crossings in order to access some areas. So, yeah, prepared to go through all the engineering as far as what BDOT will require and then also what the Pennsylvania County Building Department will, in their review.

Thank you. All right, one quick question. For each of these three cases tonight, they have the same five conditions, and you have no issues with the staff recommended conditions?

No issues with those conditions at all.

Good deal. Anyone else have any questions? Thank you. Does anyone sign up to speak to this case?

No, sir.

Does anyone here would like to speak to this case? Yes.

My name is Rob Phelps.

I live in Caswell County, just across the line, maybe 300 or 400 yards from the access point. And my questions are just purely informational. Will any other parcels be affected adjoining adjacent parcels? Will the exclusion zone, will it ever be increased to include any other parcels besides the parcels that are listed in the permit? I've got a couple parcel numbers for that. Has the NCDOT been contacted? Because there will be probably increased road traffic on Cardwell comes in from Highway 62. Also, Hunt Road and River Bend come in from the other side within probably 300 or 400 yards of where this access point will be. I'm just curious about the increased traffic there and how it will impact the roadways in Caswell County adjacent to that. I know Caswell is not the concern here, but has the NCDOT been contacted? I called the division office yesterday and they had not heard anything yet. And what's the likelihood or possibility of this becoming a permanent access road? I'm sure we'll have to have some additional permitting and things like that for this to be a permanent road surface.

Yes, we're only looking at a temporary road.

Correct, correct. But just a question for the fires.

So something else would have to come before us at a later date.

OK.

There is, to one of the supervisor's points, aside from being narrow, there's a lot of low hanging vegetation. You know, in that area that I have a camper that's about 11 foot 6, and I drag the trees when I go through there. So there will be a lot of truck traffic coming through there that probably needs 13-6 clearance. So there may be some considerations there. And mud and debris. I know I work for Duke Energy, and I know how construction entrances are, and they get to be muddy and they've got to be maintained because we'll have a lot of it. That's almost a daily driver for me. If I'm coming to Danville, that's my route. If I go to Roxburgh, I'll take a different route through the other side. But will these areas be maintained and kept clean and all like that? And finally, traffic obstructions. To the gentleman's concern about the narrow road, it is a narrow road, and delivering equipment and materials and things like that. But also, what other traffic obstructions can this cause? And it's just purely informational, and I'd just love to hear some rebuttals to those questions at some point. Okay. Thank you, sir. Sir.

State your name and district.

Yes, sir. My name is Chris Mullally and I, like Rob, am a Caswell County resident and we're butted up against the project. But I was invited to, I don't know that I was invited to speak necessarily, but I got a letter that said, hey, this is happening, feel free to come to this hearing. So I just have a couple of questions also. Do, should I go ahead or? Go ahead. First off, thank you so much for including us in this. We're obviously not Pennsylvania residents, but for you guys to send us a letter, that really means a lot. And it was notarized, or signature required, so I was guaranteed to get it, and I really appreciated that. So being informed in a major project like this, and congratulations obviously for Larry and his family too, because this is a huge development for you all to bring a lot of clean energy to the region and also It's a good development for the area in general, in my opinion. But I guess my concerns would basically be somewhat similar to what Rob had mentioned. But we live on Hunt Road, which is a small road. It's maybe 700 feet long. And I'm pretty much the only one, probably in the whole project, that the road bypasses, or excuse me, it bisects our property. So we have property on one side of the road on the other. And we hold that property very dear. It's well mowed. It's well maintained. Most traffic that comes through there that's local, like Larry and his family and like anybody who's just coming through, are very respectful overall of the property. But if there's out-of-towners or people that are doing jobs in the area, typically they'll drive a lot faster. They'll drive over the grass. They won't get the corners right on both ends. It'll be kind of, not scary, but like, Both my wife and I work from home, and so it's hard to carry on business calls when that much or with that excitement of traffic is coming through. You know, somebody who doesn't live here. So I know a lot of these guys that are coming through on these trucks potentially have a job to do. They need to get there quickly. They need to be efficient. So I just want to see, is there any information necessarily about the traffic Is there a possibility that we convert it on Caldwell to that entry point rather than on River Bend Road or Mountain Hill Road that comes to Hunt Road? If there's any way to do that where you're having the traffic come in through that highway on Caldwell, if you know what I mean, I would sincerely, sincerely appreciate it, considering that my wife and I both work from home, and it would be quite a nuisance to have to deal with 12 to whatever truck drives a day. Yeah, that's basically it. And then I guess if there's anybody that I can contact in the future, if we have complaints, like if we continue to see like any behavior that's like obstructive to our way of life, you know what I mean? If somebody could provide us a contact info for that. But yeah, that's basically my concerns that I wanted to share. So thanks a lot for the opportunity. Anyone else?

Would you like to address...

all great questions and if it's okay, kind of respond directly and then also definitely want to get you all the contact information.

Sorry, yeah, so again, Adam Peterson, Firefly Energy LLC. Just to start with, you know, this will need to get permitted and reviewed by VDOT. I don't have the answer about how VDOT will interact with NCDOT. One, UNIQUENESS OF THE FIREFLY PROJECT IS IT'S RIGHT ON THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY IS RIGHT ON THE BOUNDARY OF VIRGINIA AND NORTH CAROLINA. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A QUESTION WE'LL ASK. WE KNOW WE HAVE TO GET OUR PERMITS FROM VDOT IN PITTSLVANIA COUNTY, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE ANY INTERSTATE COORDINATION. TO THE POINT ABOUT AFFECTING OF ADJACENT PARCELS, THIS IS, YEAH, THE EASEMENT IS SHOWN FROM CARDWELL LANE INTO THE PROPERTY. That one uniqueness of Firefly, it was the first one approved after the ordinance revision where landscape buffers went from 15 feet to 100 feet. Also property line setbacks went from 150 to 200 feet. That was an increase from 35. So anyway, just kind of that place in time of where Firefly was. It was approved in April of 22 after the solar ordinance had been revised to decrease effects to adjacent neighbors. In terms of the mud track out, that's, yeah, a big issue in construction. One thing in the state of Virginia, obviously you guys know VDEQ will have to have a stormwater management permit. The entrances are all tied to that stormwater management permit. They'll also need a sediment erosion control and ESC permit from Pennsylvania County and inspections from both county and state folks. And part of that stormwater permit, which is to govern drainage within the project, is also to govern track out and bringing mud onto roads. And yeah, we'll be handling SOPs as far as making sure that doesn't happen. In terms of the, you know, we'll be doing a traffic analysis. VDOT definitely recognize we always want to make sure You know, kind of during construction, there's a, yeah, it's a very big project, and it's going to take approximately 21 months to construct. However, that's not all happening at one location at one time. So it is kind of a beehive of activity for like, let's say, the area we're talking about here for like two or three months. During that time, yeah, traffic plan. We need to run through VDOT and also Pennsylvania County and make sure we're going from point A to point B and there's not scattered traffic going on to some of these smaller feeder roads, which you mentioned. I think I covered everything. We'd love to get you all's information and we can continue the conversation and answer any other questions. But I'll kind of defer to you all if I kind of covered all the questions.

Thank you, sir. Anyone have any additional questions or comments? It's now 7.31. Public hearing for case S-26-026 is now closed. Mr. Barks.

Mr. Chairman, on case S-26-026, I recommend approval as long as they're following the recommendations that are listed.

Chair heads first. Is there a second?

I'll second it.

Thank you, Mr. Oaks. Any other motions, comments, questions? Seeing none, please cast your vote. Motion carries 6-0. It's now 7-31. Case S-26-027 is now open. Ms. Smith.

Firefly Energy LLC, as designated agent for Linda White, requests a special use permit for temporary construction access on 2.12 acres of R1 zone property located on Kearns Church Road, State Road 749 in the Dan River Election District in accordance with Pennsylvania County Code 35-179. The application and staff summary are included in your agenda packet. And representative from Firefly Energy is here should you have any questions.

your comments will be related to the first one as well, right? Did anyone sign up to speak to this case?

No, sir.

Anyone here would like to speak to this case? Seeing no one, it's now 7.32. The public hearing for case S-26-027 is now closed. Mr. Barks.

Mr. Chairman, case S-26-027 recommend approval that follow the conditions that are listed.

Chair has first. Is there a second? I'll second. Thank you, sir. Any other motions, questions, or comments? Seeing none, please cast your vote. Motion passes 6-0. It's now 7-33. The public hearing for case S-26-028 is now open. Ms. Smith?

Firefly Energy LLC, as designated agent for William Powell, requests a special use permit for temporary construction access on 55.7 acres of R1 zoned property located on Kearns Church Road, State Road 749 in the Dan River Election District. The application and staff summary are included in your agenda packet. The representative is here for any questions.

Anyone signed up to speak to this case?

No, sir.

Anyone here who'd like to speak to this case? Does any commissioners have questions on this case? Seeing none, 734, public hearing for case S-26-028 is now closed. Chair is over for a motion. Mr. Barks?

Mr. Chairman, case S-26-028 recommend approval as long as they're following the conditions that are listed.

Chair is first. Is there a second?

I'll second.

Thank you, Ms. Henderson. Are there any other motions, questions, or comments? Seeing none, please cast your vote. Motion carries, 6-0. Moving on to item 10, old business. Do we have any old business?

We do not.

Good deal. We'll now move to item 11, new business, 11A. Ms. Smith.

First item is a conservation easement request. David Jordan for Hurt Mitigation LLC is proposing a conservation easement on 219 acres located on Batterman Road in the Chatham-Blairs Election District and shown on tax maps as GPIN 2425-92-1329. The Pennsylvania County Comprehensive Plan Guidelines for Conservation Easement state, conservation easement requests have to be reviewed and approved by the Planning Commission to verify that the area of the potential easement is proposed for agricultural or conservation use on the future land use map, or that protection of the specific parcels involved is consistent with the overall intent of the future land use map, and there is a public benefit to that easement. The application and staff summary are in your packet. And Mr. Jordan is here. Should you have any questions?

You need to add anything?

Yes. The only thing I wanted to add is it's already in the easement. I'm just amending the easement. It's already in a conservation easement. You said you were proposing it's already in one. I'm consolidating the properties, so I have to amend the easement to do so. Okay.

Anyone have any questions? Thank you. Does anyone sign up to speak on this easement? I don't think so. Anyone here that needs to speak to this? Yes.

See, this was Mr. Ferris. Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion that we determine that this conversation, conservation easement, is in accordance with the Pennsylvania County Comprehensive Plan.

Chair, is there a second?

I'll second.

Thank you, Ms. Henderson. Are there any other motions, questions, comments? Please cast your vote. Motion passes 60-0. 737. Item B, Broadwater Innovations, LLC. Ms. Smith.

This is another conservation easement request. This one is by Broadwater Innovations on behalf of W.W. Holdings, LLC. For 74.55 acres located on Sugar Tree Church Road in the Tunstall Election District, And again, the conservation plan guidelines require that the planning commission determine whether or not the proposed conservation easement is in accordance with the county's comprehensive plan.

Is anyone here with Broadwater?

I don't think so.

Anyone have any questions, comments, or concerns about this?

Seeing none, 738, the floor is open for a motion.

Mr. Oaks. Mr. Chairman. I recommend that we approve this easement.

Chair, is there a first, is there a second? A second. I'm not certain who did that one. Mr. Ferris, any other motions, questions, or comments? Seeing none, please cast your vote. Motion passes 60-0. Moving on to item 12. Mr. Adams.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There's one matter that is designated for a closed session for the Planning Commission tonight, which is consultation with legal counsel employed or retained by a public body regarding specific legal matters requiring the provision of legal advice by such counsel. Nothing in this subdivision shall be construed to permit the closure of a meeting merely because an attorney representing the public body is in attendance or is consulted on a matter. Legal Authority of Virginia Code Section 2.23711A8, subject matter, planning, commission, procedures, purpose, consultation with legal counsel, legal advice, and discussion regarding the same. Mr. Chairman, it would now be appropriate to entertain a motion, second the discussion, and vote regarding entering closed session. Thank you, sir.

Chair is open for a motion to enter a closed session. Make a motion to enter a closed session. Is there a second? I'll second. Thank you. Any other motions, questions, comments? Seeing none, please cast your vote. Motion passes 6-0. It is now 7-40. We'll enter into a closed session. Now, 805. Mr. Evans.

Yes, Mr. Chairman. Be it resolved that the Pennsylvania County Planning Commission meeting held on September 1, 2026, the commission hereby certifies by a recorded vote that to the best of each commission member's knowledge, only business, public business matters lawfully exempted from the open meeting requirements of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act. and identified in the motion authorized in the closed meeting were heard, discussed, or considered in the closed meeting. If any commission member believes that there was a departure from the requirement of the act, he or she shall so state prior to the vote indicating the substance of the departure. The statement shall be recorded in the commission's minutes. We'll now have a roll call vote regarding said certification of closed session. Mr. Dalton? Yes. Mr. Ferris? Yes. Mr. Bartz? Yes. Mr. Oaks? Yes. Mr. Shelton? Yes. Ms. Henderson? Yes. Mr. Webb?

Yes.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

That concludes item 12. Item 13, we've done our certification. Unless there's anything else, we will stand adjourned at 8.06.