Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

It is 7 o'clock. Welcome to the Tuesday, May 5th, 2026 regular meeting of the Pennsylvania County Planning Commission. Call the roll. Mr. Oaks here. Mr. Dalton here. Miss Me here. Mr. Web here. Mr. Miss Henderson here. Mr. Shelton. Mr. Barts here. Mr. Ferris.

If you would join me in a moment of silence. United States of America for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Item five, hearing of the citizens. Each person addressing the board under hearing of the citizens shall be a resident or land owner of the county or the registered agent of such restor land owner. Each person shall step up, give his her name and district in an audible tone of voice for the record and unless further time is granted by the chairman shall be li limit his her address to three minutes. No person shall be permitted to address the board more than

once during the hearing of citizens. All remarks shall be addressed to the board as a body and not to any individual member thereof. Hearing of the citizen shall last for a maximum of 45 minutes. Any individual that is signed up to speak during said section who does not get the opportunity to do so because of the affordmentioned time limit shall be given speaking priority at the next board meeting absent chairman's approval. No person shall be able to speak who has not signed up. Do we have anyone who has signed up? No sir. We are now open for a motion on the approval of the agenda.

Mr. Chairman, I make a motion we approve the agenda. Thank you, Miss Me. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, Mr. Barts. Any other motions, questions, comments? Please cast your vote. Item seven, approval of the minutes. Is there a motion on the minutes? Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion that we approve minutes from last meeting. Thank you, Mr. Oaks. Is there a second?

I'll second.

Thank you, Miss Henderson. Any other motions, questions, comments? Please cast your vote. Item eight, chairman's report. Uh, I mentioned this last month. Uh, I will reiterate it again. Uh it seems as several petition uh petitioners to the planning commission have received emails requesting funds from them for the process like a fee. That is not true. It's a scam. No one on this commission or connected to the county is going to ask you for any fee other than the processing fee for posting a case. So if if you're contacted by an email or a phone call, it is a scam. I know personally if I have an issue or a question about one of the cases before us, I will either ask the question during the regular scheduled hearing or I'll reach out to staff to get uh additional information. I will not contact you directly unless you have contacted me first. So again, if you receive any information requesting funds from you through an email or a phone call, please ignore it. Don't respond to it. Move to item nine, our public hearing. Pursuant to article five, division 7, the Pennsylvania county zoning ordinance, we, the planning commission, have been empowered to hear and decide specific applications in support of set ordinance and to make recommendations to

the board of supervisors or the board of zoning appeals. In accomplishing this important task, we are charged with promoting the health, safety, and general welfare of the citizens of Pennsylvania County. We must ensure that all our decisions and recommendations be directed to these goals and that each be consistent with the environment, the comprehensive plan, and in the best interest of Pennsylvania county, its citizens, and its posterity. Anyone here to speak to the board regarding zoning cases will be limited to three minutes. We will now open case R-26-018. Miss Smith. Good evening. First case tonight is R26-018. David C. Martin has petitioned to reszone 20.08 acres located on US Highway 29 in the Stanton River Election District. RC1 residential combined subdivision district to A1 agricultural district to allow for agricultural uses. Once the property is reszoned to A1, all uses under section 35-178 are permitted. The staff summary is in your board packet and I do believe that David Martin uh is here to represent the petition.

Mr. Martin, is there anything you would like to add? Does any board member have a question for Mr. Martin? Has anyone signed up to speak? No, sir. All right. at 70:07. Public hearing on case R-26-018 is closed. The floor is now open for a motion on the case. Mr. Chairman, in case R-26-018, I'll make a recommendation that we change the zoning from RC1 to A1. We have a first. Do we have a second? Second.

Thank you, Miss Me. Are there any emotions, questions, comments? Please cast your vote. Motion passes 5 to zero. At 708, we now open case R-26-019.

Case R. Sorry. R26-019 Barry M. and Caroline J. Lewis have petitioned to reszone 105.51 acres located on State Road 618 Farmers Road in the Banister Election District from double zoned uh R1 residential suburban subdivision district and A1 agricultural district to A1 agricultural district to allow farming, growing crops, raising livestock and uh agricultural buildings. Once the property is reszoned to A1, all uses listed under section 35-178 are permitted. Staff summary is included in your board packet. And um I believe Jeffrey Davis as special power of attorney is here to represent the petition.

Is there anything you would like to add? Oh, okay. Come to the mic. Is there anything you would like to add? Are there any questions for Miss Lewis? Could you come to the mic at the Could you come to the mic, ma'am?

I just I didn't I couldn't hear what you were saying. Oh, that's okay. Okay. Anyone have any questions? Miss Louis, my apologies. Has anyone signed up to speak to this case? Yes, sir. At 7:10, the case R-26-019, the public hearing is closed. Uh the floor is now open for a motion. Miss Henderson.

Um Mr. Chairman, in the case of R-26-019, u make a motion that we do recommend to the board of supervisors that this be um zoning application be changed. All right, we have a first. Is there a second? Our second. Thank you, Miss Me. Are there any other motions, questions,

comments? Please cast your vote. Motion carries 5 to zero. It's now 711. We open case R- 26-020. Miss Smith. Um Mark and Susan Bennett have petitioned to reszone 17.96 acres located on State Road 697 Dabney House Road in the Dan River Election District from R1 residential suburban subdivision district to A1 agricultural district to allow for agricultural uses. Once the property is reszoned to A1, all uses listed under section 35-178 are permitted. The staff summary is included in the board packet and I believe um Susan Bennett is here to represent the petition.

Miss Bennett, anything you'd like to add? Are there any questions for the Bennett? Has anyone signed up for this one? No, sir. At 7:12, uh public hearing on case R-26-020 is closed. Floor is now open for a motion. Mr. Barks. Yeah, Mr. Chairman, on case R-6-020, I recommend that it is reszoned from R1 to A1. Is there a first? Is there a second? I'll second.

Thank you, Mr. Oaks. Any other motions, questions, comments? Please cast your vote. Motion carries 5 to zero. It is now 712. Public hearing is now open for case R-26-021. Miss Smith Dana Sparks, trustee for Billianne Harmon living trust, has petitioned to reszone 8.06 06 total acres located on State Road 57 Halifax Road in the Cadam Blair's election district from R1 residential suburban subdivision district to A1 agricultural district to allow for agricultural uses. Once the property is reszoned to A1, all uses listed under section 35-178 are permitted. The staff summary is included in the board packet and I believe Dana Sparks is here to answer any questions on the petition.

Miss Sparks, do you have any anything to add? No, sir. Are there any questions from the sparks? Has anyone signed it to speak to this case? No, sir. 713 public hearing on case R-26-021 is closed. The floor uh the floor is now open for a motion. Mr. Chairman, in case R-26-021, I recommend that we change the zoning from R1 to A1. We have a first. Is there a second? Second.

Thank you, Mr. Bars. Any other motions, questions, comments? Please cast your vote. Motion carries five to zero. Excuse me. At 7:14, floor is now uh open for case R-26-022. Miss Smith

Kevin Amos as special power of attorney for Ringold Christ fellow trustees has petitioned to reszone 0.474 474 acres located on Sunshine Road off of Milton Highway in the Dan River Election District from A1 Agricultural District to R1 residential suburban subdivision district to allow the property to be combined with the adjacent R1 property. Once the property is reszoned to R1, all uses um under the zoning ordinance will be permitted and the staff summary is included in the board packet. Um Mr. Mr. Amos is here as well as Mr. Gardner um who is u also part of the petition.

Anything you would like to add? All right. Any questions for these two? Is anyone time to speak on this case? No, sir. At 7:15, public hearing is closed on case R-26-022. The floor is now open for a motion. Mr. Chairman, case R-26-022, I recommend that it is reszoned from A1 to R1. We have a first. Is there a second? I second. Thank you, Miss Me. Are there any other motions, questions, or comments?

Please cast your vote. Motion carries 5 to zero. At 7:16, public hearing for case R-26-023 is now open. Miss Smith.

Yes. Um, case 26-023, David Dixon has petitioned to reszone 5.42 42 acres located on State Road 845 Hill Creek Road in the Tenstol District from R1 residential suburban subdivision district to A1 agricultural to allow the property to be used for agricultural uses. Once the property is reszoned to A1, all uses listed under section 35-178 are permitted. The staff summary is included in your board packet and David Dixon is here to represent the petition. Mr. Dixon, is there anything you'd like to add? No, sir. All right. Are there any questions for Mr. Dixon?

Has anyone signed up to speak to this case? No, sir. At 7:17, the public hearing for case R-26-023 is closed. The floor is now open for a motion. Mr. Strokes. Mr. Chairman, in case R-26-023, I recommend that we change the zoning from R1 to A1. We have a first. Is there a second? A second. Thank you, Mr. Bars. Are any other motions, questions, comments?

Please cast your vote. Motion carries five to zero. is now 7:17. The floor is now open for Case R-26-024. Miss Smith,

Meckllinburgg Electric Co-op is requesting to reszone 38.034 acres from R1 residential suburban subdivision district to B2, Business District General. Contingent upon resoning approval for B2, the owner, applicant intends to use the property for an office, warehouse, and public facility storage yard. A future special use permit application will be required for the associated public facility storage yard. Um, the staff summary is in your board packet and Tim Bolt with Meckllinburgg Electric Co-op is here to answer any questions. Anything you would like to add? Are there any questions?

Has anyone signed up to speak to this case? No, sir. At 7:18, the public hearing for case R-26-024 is closed. Floor is now open for a motion. Miss Henderson. Mr. Mr. Chairman, in case R-26-024, I would like to make a recommendation to board of supervisors that we approve or that they approve um this R1 to B2. We have a first. Is there a second? I'll second it.

Thank you, Mr. Oaks. Are there any other motions, questions, or comments? Please cast your vote. Motion carries five to zero. It is now 719. Case S-26-015 I mean 10 is now open. Miss Smith,

case S26-010. Terry Stafford has petitioned for a special use permit on 2.02 02 acres located on State Road 803 Hawkins Road in the Kalen's Greta Election District to allow for the storage and occupancy of a camper travel trailer. Um the staff summary is included in the board packet. Um the staff summary does include several recommendations um should the board wish to recommend approval. Um and Miss Stafford is here to represent the petition. All right, Mr. Staffford, anything you'd like to add? Miss Staff?

Yes, ma'am. Pull the mic down just a little bit.

Ma'am. I don't see how my hammer could possibly at all and the purpose was put and the children wanted his grandchildren and whomever come out a good And that's what we've been doing now.

And we did. We had 34 out of the flood zone. So, and it's got a flat place and it's actually been there a couple weeks. So, I would like to be able to put it back, use it as a storage shed, and once a year wake up in the morning and have a cup of coffee and look at the lake. I mean, it's it's beautiful, and I really would like to do that. All right, the privy. Let me talk about that. That was a big question. Um, it's already 50 feet away from the water, so it meets that criteria. Dan Richardson brought a we have a a soil test done and you should have that maybe in your pocket in your packet and if you can read it, power to you. But anyway, uh, we hope that the health department will say something about that. Um, what we add we that's out of the flood zone and let's see whatever is necessary to make this a happy place for us and so we can go back to camping. I do not want to be in a tent. I do not I'm I'll be 76 this week. I do not want to sleep in a camp in a tent. That's not me. The bears roam Cadam. We take pictures of them and they I'm sure they roam Cher Lake. I know there's snakes out there and I know there spiders. I don't want to sleep in a tent. I've had that rodeo. That's over. So, I'm asking you,

can we go back to allowing a camper, trailer, trailer, travel, whatever on the property liked very much wake up and have a cup of coffee. And that's what we bought it for. When I bought it, I had no idea that you couldn't put a c that you can't sleep in a camper on your own property. I just And and most of the people I talked to, they never heard of this rule. and and and I'm not trying to say anything against it, but I don't see how letting me have it for the use of a storage shed as well for our things when we take them to the lake as well as a place that if we wanted to, we could go to bed at night and and sleep there. I don't think it's detrimental. It hadn't been for 35 years and now all of a sudden I that's all I

Any questions from staff? Um Miss Stafford now. How long have you said for Can you get louder cuz I can barely hear you. As loud as I can. Can you hear me? Yes. Did I understand you to say you've been there 35 years? The camper hasn't been there 35 years. Is that correct? The question was, we've had the camper there before, this camper. Yes.

Yes, we had it there because I thought I was told I could have a storage shed. So, we used it for a storage shed. And then in the middle of October, I got a letter asking us to remove it by the end of October, and we did. And what's funny is I can sleep in Chadam Gretna and hurt in this camper, but I can't in Pennsylvania County. I mean, on my own land. Well, there are a lot of rules and regulations and new codes.

I know you said something important, but I can't hear you. I know that we all have rules to go by now and things are changing codes and we have to abide by them.

Well, I hope that I I am not considered I've been in real estate 49 years and in Maryland and I'm the daughter of Overby Real Estate and I I hope you know that I love this county. I'm on the board for first Chattam Forest. I don't want to do anything that would be detrimental. There's not a house that can see the the camper. There's not a house that can see it. Now, you can float around on the lake and you might see it through the woods, but it's up over the flood zone. It's It's not trashy. It's right now sitting on Holt Street. You could ride by tonight and ride by it and see it. Um because it's allowed in but not in the county.

You're saying that you wanted to have somewhere to stay just on weekends or or you said once a year. You meant just on the what do on the weekends or

Well, yeah. Or we we're retired. We don't care. And the proposal says 180 days. That was the way it was set up and I agreed to it. Uh if I spend 180 days in a in a camper, have my head examined. That's just not happening. But I'm okay with it being in the request. And if y'all want to alter it around, that's okay. But I think you know what I'm trying to do. I want to give my grandchildren a place to go and have fun and be and change their bathing suit. I mean, I had one that fell in the grandson that fell in the lake three or four weeks ago and he had to come home to change. He didn't have a change of clothes out there. And that's okay. He didn't complain. He's fell in the lake and that's it. But I would love to have a place where we can do that. The land when my father bought it from Mr. Boswell, I promise you, he said, "What's the worst piece of property you have out here? I want to buy it." It is on the side of a hill like this down into a ravine. It's either underwater or it's Are you going to fall off of it? Um, I used to say billy goats would fall off it. However, my neighbor's billy goats have been down there for a couple of months. They keep getting loose and they're down there, which is not my idea. But anyway, they didn't fall off the land, but it's not conducive. We did daddy in the '9s had it perked and it's on the northern side, which is a little higher, and it's it we'd have to go again and see if it met

all the hoou, but it perked then. So, there's a chance that it'll probably meet the standards today. And I could do that and put a house up there, but that's not what I want. I just want a little camper that we can spend I I cannot see me spending a bunch of nights in the camper. However, I think that my proposal is written so that it covers other people in other parts of the county. And I understand that. I hope that you will look at this and if you're afraid that somebody else is going to come to you and then they're going to abuse the system and what we plan today, I hope you'll think about what can we do to make it so this lady can go back to camp and on a in a camper. Mr. Miss Stafford, are you aware of the conditions the additional conditions? Would you read those to her? Can you hear she's

the the staff? I have to have the privy right. I think I've got that going. What does she You have a copy you can share with her if she can't hear. Yeah. Sabrina, do we have an extra copy of the She can use mine. Just want to make sure you're aware of all the conditions. Yeah, I do with Thank you. Thank you. And I want her to go over them with you. is I got help. I think everybody would like to see people in their own land be able to take the grandchildren out and camp. She's going to read them out if you're a follower with your copy. All right.

So, these are the conditions that are in the staff report. No more than one travel trailer on the parcel at any time. The travel trailer shall be occupied no more than 180 days in any 365day period. The travel trailer is required to maintain current registration with the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles and remain in roadworthy condition capable of being transported to and from the property at any given time. The property owner shall obtain permits for all built structures located on the property in accordance with the Virginia Uniform Statewide Building Code. For existing unpermitted structures, post construction inspections and approvals from the Pennsylvania County Building Inspections Division of the Community Development Department are required. The applicant is required to construct a septic system or underground concrete vault privy approved and permitted by the Virginia Department of Health and designed by a certified on-site evaluator to properly manage sewage on site. Once constructed, the applicant must ensure the septic system remains in proper working condition and shall have the septic system or privy inspected and or pumped at least once every 5 years. Written proof of inspection/pumpout shall be provided to the Pennsylvania county zoning administrator. Any portion of the travel trailer, deck, stairs, fill, utilities, or other development located within the zone A or zone AE flood zones shall comply with chapter 23 flood plane management. All flood plane development shall be maintained so as to so as not to increase base flood elevations. Access structures in the flood zone shall remain freestanding

and not Thank you. I was aware. Let me just finish this last part. And not attached to the travel trailer and any utilities shall use quick disconnect connections to maintain the trailer's road ready status. Thank you. I was aware of these. you were. I think we've met everything.

I'm not sure how a privy gets pumped out, but we're willing to do what we have to do to make that happen. And um I'm not try trying to make a campground, trust me. And so I think that's not a problem. And um the structures when they were built, I had contractors build them for us and they assured me they were in code. And I said, "Are you sure? I think this one's too high." And he said, "No, it's in code." So if it's not, it has to be fixed. That that's it. We'll we'll deal with it and do what we have to do. But I think there's nothing in here. and thank you for bringing to my attention because I thought gosh maybe something new came up and I didn't know about. Um these I had read and I think I think we're okay and I I wonder if we don't have enough sewage in five years because I don't see this being a big use. It hasn't in the last I think it's been there about 15 years and I was told by different people in different departments it was wellmade. I mean who knew? Um it's not my favorite place.

Okay, that's all the questions I have. Anyone else? Any other question?

Thank you. But anything that you have, you've got my number, call me or you're if you're not allowed to, if you're allowed, call me and ask me and I'll be glad to tell you. And I want it to work because I'm I'm sure you're looking at this as if we give Terry this, what have we got to give this person and you know the the effects, the ripple of it. But I am in the woods. You can see it from the lake if you're out on a boat paddling along. And it's a lake that you It's the reservoir. You can't have anything gasoline on it. So, all of our things are either electric or manpower.

Mr. Chairman, I understand um the environmental health supervisor is going to speak tonight as you signed in from the health department. Did you ask me? something. Okay. Well, I'm not I'm not certain who was signed. Kelly Waller from the health department, environmental health supervisor. She's an authority on all this. So,

she got All right. I tell you what's really funny is Dan Richardson, who worked this thing, and I were in the hospital a week together, and we didn't even know it. So, he got put back. I got put back. Um, someone here in the room said, "See you tomorrow." And I went, "Tomorrow? I lost a whole week of my life." Um, anyway, I think it was slow getting to you. And she's she said, "I don't think I can get to it today, but we'll get to it as fast as we can." Okay.

But I was told by Dan and by Steve they didn't see any problems with the soil. And they all took out their little measure and measured to the lake. Call if anyone else has anyone else. There's a chandelier in the privy. I will tell you that Jason ball his son. Can we do what? Do I read it?

All right. Mr. Milner had emailed I believe Dave, Mr. Dalton, and Mr. Web this um email, and Mr. Milner had asked if I would read it. Gentlemen, I am writing to express my concerns and objections to the above request for a special use permit. While I have no personal animus toward the applicant, I cannot ignore the dangerous precedent that such a permit would set. If this case is approved as requested, there is then reason to believe that any lakefront property owner, either with or without an approved structure, would consider applying for permission to for equal treatment. This opens the door for short-term lease of any approved travel trailers and campers with no realistic oversight of the potential violations of other zoning and property use laws resulting resulting from them. Of particular concern in the case above is the obvious appearance of an outhouse on the most recent survey map of the lot in question. There are already strict laws in place around the disposal of solid waste or sewage near or around the reservoir. This outhouse is susceptible to flooding and subsequent leaking of raw sewage into the town drinking water supply. While there are laws in place relating to these issues, the enforcement of them would largely be left up to an honor system. According to a current county official, I do not think that the county can in good faith approve a special permit in this case without risking an onslaught of onslaught of additional permits leading to violations of laws and ordinances that it has no reasonable means to enforce. For these reasons, I request that this special use permit be denied. Thank you for your attention. Sincerely,

H. Victor Milner, II, 1792 Hawkins Road. Okay. Has anyone else signed up to speak? Um, Jason Ball,

please state your name in your district.

My name is Jason Ball. I'm in the Greta Cal district. Um, prepared a statement. I own seven acres or seven parcels on Cherrystone Lake and Chadam. four of which joined Miss Stafford's 2acre airshaped parcel for over a thousand feet. In 2017, community development informed me that I was required to provide an engineered campground design with water and sewer to submit a special use permit for a camper. Noticing there's no campground design, water, or sewer in this request, I must wonder why the rules aren't being applied unilaterally. In the nine years since selling a camper in defeat, five adjoining properties have built shacks or hauled in campers with the intention of part-time or full-time occupancy. Two of these properties were full-time habitation for months before the county forced the owners to vacate. While the campers have been removed, three of the unpermitted shacks remain today. Historically, this has been a major issue in my neighborhood with the lake. One of the campers situated on Miss Stafford's property as she discussed with the large deck approximately 50 feet from the lake. It's difficult difficult to make out the approximate flood zone on her survey submitted within the request, but the Virginia flood risk information system shows approximately half of her property is within Cherrystone Lakes flood plane along with the proposed camper site and existing outouse. an additional 25% or half acre on the northern edge of her property is a steep power line is meant to my house. The remaining half acre is roughly 20% grade within a setback. So she mentioned um the the land perking on the north end of the property that's about 100 foot elevation from where she's putting the camper. Nor does she have an easement or access as noted by note 7 on her survey on that side of her property. um approving it with an outhouse would be adverse to the intent of the seaw

warning conservation zone. Now this next portion I really struggled with whether to say this or not but I have two young kids. I feel obligated. I don't have a choice. Okay. So unfortunately is also an unresolved safety concern that I'm obligated to share. Earlier this year, Pennsylvania County Sheriff deputies came to my house while searching for the co-owner of Miss Stafford's property. I have almost had zero contact with the family, so I'm uncertain why police came specifically to my house. However, having young children, I reached out to Miss Stafford to create a buffer to resolve my safety concerns before preparing comments for this hearing. She was unwilling to work with me, and I request you deny the permit on this issue alone. Ultimately, I have submitted my own camper permit request to Miss Folks on April 7th to demonstrate that the Stafford request is not for one camper for a few months a year as proposed. If approved, this camper will inspire a dozen campers or shacks around the lake, probably without sewer. And I ask you tonight both requests to set a precedent for the future in the interest of the county, the neighborhood, and the water supply. Thank you, sir.

Thank you. Anyone else signed up to speak? No, sir. Uh,

there's a lot to consider on this particular uh request. Um, I'm to tell you the truth, I understand, can empathize with wanting to enjoy your own property and be able to stay on it, but I also have u big concerns about the county getting into the business of Ma'am, get closer so I can hear. Okay, ma'am.

Uh, I'll I'll I'll I'll speak up for you. I I understand and have empathy for for you wanting to do something on your land con connected to the lake. I am also though concerned uh and I think justifiably so about additional request for the same thing, additional requests for the same scenario that you're requesting. And I'm not real comfortable having the county personnel chase who's been staying 180 days on a property and who hasn't been. And in that case, I I do have uh a bit of an issue and and and we'll be voting no. Uh any other comments or questions?

I have some more. Um Mr. Miss Stafford, I really admire you for wanting to keep your family together on the lake for a weekend outing, but particularly with your grandchildren. However, I want you to understand if if this is started with your camper, then it's like Mr. Ball says, other owners will want to do the same. You said you love that area. That's the best kept secret, Cherish Stone Lake. It's my first visit when I went. It is a most beautiful lake. Very peaceful, quiet. Just keep in mind if you start with your camper, Mr. Ball wants to start all the neighbors. And what does that bring? more people, families out of town, more noise. Just consider that this board has to consider not only we understand I understand your pain. You've got land. You want to keep a little camper, but at the same time, we do have rules and regulations. And that's what this board is for, is to protect you, to protect not only you, your neighbors, and the town of Chadam. That is the reservoir for the town of Chadam where all the drinking water comes through. So, I'm going to say that I'm going to oppose it. I cannot vote for this considering everything involved.

Can I say something else? Uh, one moment, please. Was uh anyone else here uh who did not sign up who would like to speak to this case?

Yes, ma'am. I I definitely understand, but it's sad that people that have c I mean, you see them all over the county. They're sleeping in those campers at their houses and with their children and stuff. We are required to police ourselves on right now. That's how you found out about me was someone police. Who were the two people that talked? I couldn't hear.

Who are who are they? And I can speak to one of them about one. You direct your comments to the board. I'm sorry. Direct your comments to the board. Richard Thomasson. No, I said direct your comments Oh. to the board. Okay. Who were the two? There was someone that wrote a letter and that was I couldn't hear. I could not hear the letter. Victor Milner. Mr. Milner. It was who? Milner. Vic Milner. The

Vic Milner. Okay. All right. And the man that stood up, Mr. Ball.

Oh, that was Mr. Ball. Okay. I can speak to both of them. We'll start with Mr. Ball. You should have in your package a text where he said he would be glad to speak up for it if I would sell him a fourth of my land. So, I chose not to do that. That text should be in your package because I did send it to Mr. Arnold. As far as Victor, you cannot be. You can swim to his property, but you can't get there. I mean, it's not it's not there. There's no way he can see it. The only way I can see his property is if I swim out of my cove and I swim out into the middle of the lake. Can I see it? I can also tell you he's in a modular. His father built a modell there and I've had parties there up in there. I know exactly what he has. And I am sure that my camper will not endanger his property in any way. And I just am sad that you're saying, "Well, Terry, you can't keep doing that because somebody else might want to do it and they abuse it." They're already about they're abusing it. They're already doing it. I'm the one that wanted to come in and legally say the whole way I've said, "I want this to be legal." I've been told, "Go ahead and just stay there." No, I don't want to do anything illegal. And and that's something I can go home at night. I don't have to. I mean, it's just a couple of miles to home. There's no reason I can't go home and sleep there. But I can't even use it right now as a

storage shed. I can't park it on the property. That's wild. That on my own land, I can't even park it. can't use it as a storage shed. Now I can build a storage shed. What Mr. Ball doesn't know and Mr. Milner was too young to know is that land perks up there next to Mr. Ball. So if we put a house, it's going to be up there next to their properties and we'll be using the top of we'll be using the other right away to get in. I mean, and I don't want a house there, and I don't want to sleep on the ground. I don't want to sleep with the bears. I don't want to sleep in a tent. And I don't know how a bunch of tents would look better than one camper. you're in a tough position because if you let me have my camper there, you have to listen to other people and their request. And that is true. But I'm not trying to do something that I can't that it's horrible. I can do that in the town of Chadam. I can go out and sleep in that camper. But I can't in a county. We do not have an HOA at Cherry Stone Lake. There is no POA. There is no HOA. There is nothing. There are no guidelines like that. Now, there guidelines about where you can have live animals. They're guidelines about where

you can put a privy, all that kind of mess. But there are none about an HA. There's that's not an So you if you say no, I can't you can't have it. That means we're starting an HOA and I don't want that. I I lived with that in Maryland and sold that. That's not okay. Let's stick with the Okay. program here. and I I appreciate your votes, but I hope that you will not penalize me for something that you're afraid of in the future.

Now, Miss Stafford, you know that the board of zon and appeals has the final say so. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. And and I I I think it's wild. I love it. I love government. I like it the way it works. I like I like this. I like this and I appreciate it. And I do appreciate those of you that came down to the property because we have a little camera there and we watched the foxes and and deer and other people's goats. We watch all that and I know you came down and I'm glad. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Thank you. Any other questions, comments? It's 7:52. Public hearing on case S-26-010 is closed. Floor is now open for a motion. Miss Me. Mr. Chairman, in case S-26-0, I make a a recommendation to the Board of Zon and Appeals that this case be denied. We have a first. Is there a second? I'll second it.

Thank you, Mr. Oaks. Is there any other motions, questions, comments? Please cast your vote. Motion to deny.

The motion to deny is passed five to zero. It is now 753. Case S-26-015 is now open. Miss Smith,

I apologize in advance for um mispronouncing this name potentially, but Brandon and Rachel Gotautier have petitioned for a special use permit on 2.02 02 acres located on State Road 803 Hawkins Road in the Kalen's Gretina Election District to allow for a manufactured home and private garage. Staff summary is in the is enclosed in the board packet and the um property owners are here to represent the petition. Is there anything you'd like to add? Yeah. No. And I'm sorry. Yes. the um anything you'd like to add to your request?

Any questions for the Go ahead. Anyone want to sign up to speak to this case? No, sir. Is anyone here who would like to speak to this case? And Mr. Chairman, if I can just clarify, it's a 4 acre property located on State Road 792 Tucker Road in the Cens Breton election district. Good deal. discussed previously. It's now 7:54. Public hearing for case S-26-015 is now closed. Floor is now open for a motion. Miss Me. Mr. Chairman, in case S-26-015, I make a recommendation that this uh case be approved.

We have a first. Is there a second? I'll second it.

Thank you, Mr. Oaks. Any other motions, questions, or comments? Please cast your vote. Motion carries 5 to zero. We're now moving to old business. Uh the floor is open for a motion to reopen case R-26-011. We got to have a motion just to reop.

Mr. Chairman, in this case R-26-00001, I make a motion that we reopen this case to be heard. We have a first. Is there a second?

I'll second it. Thank you, Mr. Oaks. Please cast your vote. Motion carries 5 to zero. It's now 756. Case R-26-011 is now reopen. Miss Smith. Um, Leon Hall is requesting to reszone property located on State Road 666 Yates Store Road in the Banister Election District. Um, from R1 residential suburban subdivision to A1 agricultural district. Um, uh, they will uh, intended purposes for agricultural uses. Um, this item was heard at the last meeting and at the um conclusion of the public hearing, the planning commission voted to table um the vote um or any decision um to see if the objections could be um worked out or if any there's any additional information to be provided. Um the petitioners have provided some additional information. It was in your um agenda packet and I believe There may be also some other information that uh Sabrina had at the desk at your spots this evening.

Mr. Hall, anything you'd like to add to what you've submitted? Any questions for Mr. Hall? Do we have someone signed up to speak to this case? Yes, sir. Miss Emily Ragsdale. Before I start, do you mind providing an overview of what additional information was provided to you? That that may address some concerns. So, I would like to know what that is before I begin.

Yes. So there was a um up here there's a reasonzoning request statement. Um the farm roll call listing the um types and quantities of animals. There was a letter to Emily and Alan Ragsdale and a resoning support handout. Okay, I see that. And this is the only information. And then there were also also some photos.

Okay, I I see those. But this was the only information. There's no other there's nothing else that was submitted to you all. Nothing else has been submitted as of this time.

Okay. Um so I'm Emily Ragdale. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak to you again. Um, as I stated before, our main concern is not what he wants to do on the property. It's the fact that there is no need for this property to be reszoned. This application should have been a special use permit application to allow him to put a double wide or a single wide, which he has told us he would like to put a double wide on the property. That would allow him to live on the property. We would have had no objection. There are other manufactured homes in the area. Um once that was done, section 35-50 would allow him to have um incidental agriculture on residential property up to 5 acres. He only has 3 and 1/2 acres. He does not have the ability to exceed that 5 acre cap. If this was a 10 acre track, we would not be having this conversation. But those are our concerns. Once this property is reszoned, there is nothing that says he has to live on this property. If the animals do get out, if there are smells, noises, other things like that that are above, you know, what you would expect from having animals and it, you know, say he goes and puts 50 hogs on the property and it starts to smell, um, there's nothing that the county can do at that point. If his livestock is m maintained on his property, the county cannot make him put them back on his property because the county does not regulate chickens and they don't ensure that livestock stays on the property. that can only be done on R1. We did meet with Mr. Thorp um on Sunday and we discussed everything with him. Um you know, as overall I we don't have an objection with what he wants to do. We just want to make sure that someone is going to live on the property, is going to be there to maintain the animals to make sure that this is done in a responsible manner and it's not going to negatively impact the people that live

around him. Um, I asked if he would be willing to make a profer, that he would put a home on the property in 6 to 12 months and he would live there. He told us that he did not have an issue doing that. I explained to him that he would need to contact community development and that's why I asked to see this because I was hoping that that proper was here and that I would not have these concerns, but I don't see that proper. I also know that based on a foyer request, he's put in no well and septic permits to the health department. He's not gotten a SAT from the health department. All those things need to be done before you can get a building permit to put a house on the property. He's owned the property since December. To me, that's a red flag that you're not already doing these things. If you plan to live on the property, those will be your first steps. Um, I understand that sometimes timelines get thrown off, but those are our concerns that if it's reszoned, there may not be there may not be follow through and there's nothing that can ensure that there ever is a house on the property. And even if this is not if if even if he does everything he says he's going to do and we don't ever have an issue, there's nothing that says he won't sell the property in two years and we end up with a giant mess because the property has been reszoned to A1 and it's not big enough to be an A1 piece of property. And those are our concerns and that's why I'm here again. Thank you.

Anyone else?

Yes, Miss Wanda Ragsdale. I'm Wanda Ragdale. I'm in the Banister District and just to reiterate what Emily was discussing, that's my main concern. He told us Sunday that he planned on putting a home there as soon as possible. And if no septic permit has been applied for, no SAP, which is a safe, adequate, and proper evaluation of an existing septic system to asssure it can be used, there's no evidence that a home can ever be put on that property. So that's our concern. If it's turned to A1, he puts his animals there, no home is ever put there, who's going to be there to maintain and take care of the animals? So, we don't have a problem with him wanting to do agriculture because we're a egg family. We're all for agriculture. But our concern is is a home going to be put there because there's no evidence that has been checked. So, there can be.

Okay. Thank you. Anyone else? No, sir. Is there anyone else here who would like to speak to this case? State your name and district. Wait till you get to the mic.

My name Thomas Thornton. How y'all doing? I understand the concern but the concern should be according to the ordinance and the impact. Correct. So we looking at what the code say and if I look at it correctly 35-178 allows this. 35-177 allows this. So what would change from is it How can I say this? Is it because of what is the concern really? Is it because of the house not being there? Because the code doesn't said you have to have it. It allows for that to be there. It's not something that's mandatory. So if the if the house is not did that determines it can be uh change from R1 to a A1?

No, it it it does not indicate that it can't be. The question is, will it be so what what's the issue? Well, you've got neighbors who's got issues. Is it because of noise? Commissioner may have it was on R1 for a reason to begin with. So now you're requesting a change in that code and that's the reason you're here. Okay. But I mean, okay, we looking at it. How does what we have provided and done not allow that to be done? Is it I'm not understanding how it's not being satisfied based on what we provided.

Sir,

apologize. Mr. Thor, as y'all I'm the one that sent out the packet. Um the original um zoning of the property was actually zoned A1 originally. It got changed to R1 to feed feed a knee. We're changing it back. Um we did meet with Mrs. Rexdale on Sunday. I met with her. Um I did call u Mr. Sabrina yesterday to try to put the uh prefer um proverb into the effect. Um we wasn't able to contact each other. We was playing phone tag. We had emails and everything going back and forth. Today when I contacted her um she basically said it wasn't a reason because the the meeting was tonight. um so she could put it in as a condition. The two conditions that they asked when we spoke with them was that if we was to get a trim a trim line or a fence that we maintain the trim line and that we would have a house there between 6 to 12 months or to a year basically. Um and that's the condition I was willing to work with that I would definitely be on my site living within a year and I would maintain a trim tree line. That's something we was already going to do. So those two proverbs didn't or that condition didn't really, you know, have an issue with doing or conditions didn't have an issue with doing to please my neighbor. But we wasn't able to get that into effect between the meeting time. We literally just met Sunday. So trying to get all that worked in just didn't work out. So that's why I was we we did it right. We tried to make sure we would condone our neighbors and we we got everything according to in your packet. So it's not that it was zone something for a reason. It originally was A1 I mean um agriculture um the actual person that sold the property and split it is in the building as well if they wanted to speak on it but it was originally zone agriculture we zone it's got switched we just switching it back that's all

also as far as the animals are concerned somebody being oh no okay as far as somebody being down here I stay down here I'm like 20 minutes away and kneeling so I will be able to be coming to the property every day if that is the concern Mr. Chairman, could I make a comment, please? Yes. Mr. Hall, would you come back up to the mic, please? Thank you, sir. I understand you don't have a problem with the problems that your neighbor Yeah, it was two things basically that we

So, someone made a motion with that. the two things that I'll be on site within a year and that we maintain the trim line the tree line. Yes, that would be if that would be the approval of it. Yes. Yes. That would that would work to make it approve. That's we Yeah, that's what we met Sunday. We was trying to keep it, but it just didn't get in time frame with everything that worked out. So, and and as for everything else, we good.

All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, and the attorney can correct me if I'm wrong, but with a reasonzoning, it has to be in writing and offered by the applicant at the meeting when you vote. You cannot verbally add profers. You cannot place conditions as the board. They have to be offered in writing by the applicant at the time of the vote. That's why I encouraged them to reach out to the community development office yesterday um to make sure that that could be done and in place prior to the the meeting tonight. Um so that may be something that we can work on prior to the board meeting, but right now we don't have anything that can be added to the case that would make us feel comfortable. I don't have anything in writing right now that you all can attach to a recommendation to approve.

So I think it's the if I if I understand correctly and I I'm speaking off of the cuff here uh with no chance to research which is wonderful all the time uh but I think it's before before the reszoning occurs so it could be discussed tonight but it's not binding on anyone um until it's in writing before the board before the vote. So next month when it gets before the board if it's in writing then they can make a vote and make it binding. Yes. The board That's next month.

Well, next I say next month. The next meeting. It'll be the next meeting of this month. Yes. Of this month. When when when is when is the next board meeting? The 19th. Mr. Evans. Yes. Third Tuesday of the month. the board of supervisors will meet. Can that can that be in place by the 19th? If the owner, we'll do it. Yeah. So, yes, it it can. Can you live with that, Mr. Thorp? Well, we're just making a recommendation. The board of supervisors, you're willing to put it in writing those two two profers between ask before the board.

Yeah. Okay. So I will to Miss Rangdel's point the this this body does have it's not expressed in the code but has a similar standard that it should be held to with approval of or a recommendation of those same of of of for resoning that it is it is Um the fact that it's not in writing should be taken into account. The fact that it's not necessarily done voluntarily should be taken into account. The but as the applicant knows there is there's no uh legal prejudice for the the specific recommendation of the planning commission. It's denovo before or it's a new matter to be heard before the board of supervisors. I think the applicant appears to be anxious to move it forward and taking action tonight. What one way or the other will move it forward to that next stage. Um I think moving it that forward quickly is is the is the appears to be the the goal of the applicant.

All right. Any other Miss Henderson?

Um I do have a few questions. I am kind of um glad to hear because when I came tonight I this is exactly what I was thinking. Um one condition specifically was a fence. I think Mr. Daryl spoke to that. Um so if that was something that you all agreeable to that's a check off and then above and beyond that the other the house requirement. Um I did hear you mention that there has been kind of a email communication back and forth with the county. Um, could that be substantiated by the county that there at least has been I mean because I do see Miss um Ragdale's point of view as far as something in writing. Um and also what the county is stating about it doesn't have to be in writing just yet for until we meet or the board meets. Correct.

So So it it's not that it doesn't have to be in writing here. is that it's not it's not binding unless it's in writing. Correct. Okay. It's that it's not doesn't doesn't have any bearing on the case. Right. And the the the tech technical ruling of this body if it's not in writing. Okay. Uh I think it would be a a a good look if there was something in writing if um that email could be produced. email.

The email is basically just us saying, "Hey, we're playing phone talk." That's basically what it was. and we actually spoke today. So, it wasn't like a body email saying exactly what we're trying to do. It was more saying, "Hey, can you contact me? Hey, I contact you. Hey, basically what it was." Okay. Um

Okay. So, um with what I heard with that exchange, the first thing came to my mind was, okay, well, that looks like another table until profers are physically presented. But if that's not required, then my motion would be um to go along with what staff has recommended. So um I'm not ready to make a motion just yet, but I kind of wanted to make sure that issue is kind of flat before we move in any direction.

Can you make the motion with the conditions added? Yes, you can make the motion with conditions added. The the that is that is abnormal to not have the written profer as part of of the motion, but it's not prohibited. Uh just not binding in any way. Yeah, because we're just making a recommendation, right? So, we're making if we were to if we were to add those two profers, right? then their recommendation would be that the board of supervisors approve it if those are in place by the 19th.

Right? It's the same effect as as if saying um you move to deny it because it didn't have these profers in place u and it still moves it to the next to the board to be able to consider it on those same terms. So it's a little bit funny either way. my whole I mean I just I get that and I understand the situation I guess but it is really no situation it was voted first it was approved period

it came in again and the conditions was basically already in place what we're doing we're going to live there it's already in place electric we cut today we moving we got rotorooer came out check the well it's a well so it's we we already in place and we have those paperwork so I don't know where she get the fact that we didn't do anything and where you got that But we do have those paperwork that we actually are in motion to get things done. Um it just takes time. We had to clear out land. We had to do and money isn't just flourishers. We have to wait till we I work a full time. We work I mean it's just you know things we have to get in place. We are doing it. We have done it. So that part of living on site is automatically going to happen to maintain a tree line. If we put a fence up that's not a really a condition. That's just something that we was okay. We're going to do that anyway. We're going to mate maintain our trim line. The whole issue is that if we was to let it grow and we cut the bottom of the fence would have that over brush. That was the issue. If we would if we was to put a fence there. If we could leave it bare, there would be no profit for that. So my issue is that if we was to go through tonight and you try to deny it saying that the conditions wouldn't there, we still would have this motion of a denial when it was already approval. So I'm I'm just kind of Is there any way that we can approve with moving

moving to the 19th saying tonight that by the 19th we'll hand that paperwork? Yeah, I think that's what we're moving towards. But but he said a denial with that. I don't Oh, okay. Oh, okay. It's kind of a technicality. It is, but it isn't. It's going to move to the next step, but No, I'm saying we put that in place where say by the 19th, we'll have that in writing. So, yeah. And then it would be up to the board supervisor. I think ultimately we have the final say. So, okay. The board of supervisors has the final say. Are you good? Okay. Well,

uh, any other questions? Yeah, my my advice is to take M. Ragsdale's advice and to get a special use permit and get your house up and that does away with all these problems,

but it doesn't help me with my the animals. So, I can't get them there at first. So, it's it's a toss like we explained I explained with Miss Bra as well. I have them at other places that I'm paying for right now to house them whenever I can bring them home and take care of them. That'll be better. Right now they're spread out. I'm having to travel to take care and do that every single day. If I can get my zone where my land and what I want to do with my zoning of my property, I don't have to worry about extra expenses doing a special use to get my home. And that's 30 more days I have to wait. That's that's a long more waited time. I've been waiting since February 3rd. It was already approved. I'm not understanding this this now that we going through these stipulations of what we you could do this, you could do this, you could you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. But the sooner you get your special use permit, the sooner everything gets

the sooner I get agricultural approved, the sooner, too. So, I'm not trying. But that's just if that's what I want to do with my land, I'm going to use it for agricultural purposes. All agricultural purposes plus me living on to maintain those agricultural purposes. We explained to Miss Ragdale, we have gardens, we have agricultural items. It's not focused on residential. us having my property in residential isn't the use of my property is agricultural. Yes, I will be living on my property but my property in the whole overall is agriculture. I explained it in the whole statement that y'all had. Please read it. I deliberately broke it down and typed that so that you could and understand every portion of it. I gave you the legal binding backing of it in the document so that you could have the legal understanding of the outline of what we're doing on the property. So that it's no reason that this shouldn't go as an approval with any type of conditions. This is more so me and just trying to appease my neighbor. But the laws, the law, what I'm doing with the property and the breakdown with legality, it should be straight clear across the board like it was on February 3rd when y'all approved it with no conditions. So we're back here in the same place 3 months later that I have to go through these same I explained all this in that statement. So please read it. Please. Anything else? At 8:20, the public hearing is closed on case R-26-011. Miss Henderson.

All right, Mr. Chairman. In the case of R26-011, um I'd like to make a motion that we do u recommend to the board of supervisors. Are we adding conditions or as presented? Are we adding conditions here? It's it's up to you. Okay. As a moving party

with conditions of the the four stated two conditions that there will be maintenance of property, the tree line, the fence and and the home within 6 to 12 months. That's my motion. We have a first with two additional conditions. Is there a second? I'm going to second it. Thank you, Mr. Bars. Are there any other additional motions, questions, comments? Repeat that motion, please. That I didn't understand it. You was talking so low.

Yeah. Um, yes. In the case of R-26-00001, I'd like to make a motion that we request or recommend to the board of supervisors with two conditions to this um that it be approved.

And that was the fence line and the uh occupant home on the property in 6 to 12 months. Gary Okay. So, we have a first, a second. There any other uh motions, questions, comments?

Please cast your vote. Motion carries 4 to one. The floor is now open for a motion to reopen case S-26-014. Mr. Chairman, in case S-26-014, I'll make a motion that we reopen this case.

Is there a second? I'll second. Thank you, Miss Henderson. Please cast your vote. Motion passes 5 to zero. It is now 8:23. Case S-26-014 is now reopened. Miss Smith

Dakota Tim on behalf of Cascade Virginia USA Holdings LLC is requesting a special use permit for a public garage on an MHP mobile home park district property in accordance with Pennsylvania County Code 35-318. The property is 17.28 acres located on US Highway 58 Martinsville Highway in the Tenstol Election District. The case was heard at the April 7th, 2006 2026 planning commission meeting. A vote to deny a recommendation to the board of zoning appeals resulted in a 3 to3 tie and the case was left without a recommendation and therefore the case had to be brought back to the board tonight for a new motion. Um Mr. Tim is here. Um there was additional information in the packet. Um and if you have any questions, he can answer them. or Mr. Tam.

So, we went ahead and uh provided some extra materials in the uh the deck that we had sent. Um not sure if you guys had a chance to review it, but it just kind of gives a better picture of where the garage is and and the situation. Um you know, kind of if you if you if you like, you can go through it. Um, but it just kind of uh Oh, I do. Okay.

Down. Um, so here's just it's just a short quick overview, but basically um the location of the garage, how it's in the in the back of the the community kind of it's surrounded by and then the surroundings which kind of keeps it hidden and then just us meeting a community need. Um, so here's the garage currently not being used. Um, we've, you know, had lots of demand to to store uh vehicles there. Um, here's another photo of it. You can kind of see it's in the very back um from all the homes. There's um you can kind of see where the homes are and then that's what the star is. Um, and then here's a photo of the front of the community where it's not visible because uh due to the way there's like a hill and then it's kind of on the on the on the back side of the hill. Um, and then the surroundings that kind of keep it away. I've went ahead and kind of circled it in orange the tree lines kind of it kind of keeps it hidden from the rest of the community. Here's another photo using uh the GIS. Um, we do believe, you know, the the way it was kind of put back in the back of the community with these like tree lines surrounding was was intentional to kind of keep it hidden and and away from the rest of the community. Um, and then yeah, and then just kind of our community need. So, we went ahead and just posted on Facebook and within 30 days, these are all the different inquiries we got about it. This just only a few of them, too. We have we have more. Um, and then just some, you know, some final notes. Um, that, and actually, I have one of my business partners here that can probably speak a little bit better on this. Um, last time I had said that they were going to have the the tenant was going to have two cars in there. Found they're all going to have one. Um, and then that I thought there was going to be work being done, but but they're actually being stored. There's a vehicle being stored. Matt, you want to talk a little more about

what's going on? He he runs more of the operations side. State your name.

My name is Matthew Hecker. I'm one of the owners of Cascade. Sorry. Yeah. So, first of all, let me just apologize. Dakota came up here last time. He I sent him up here. I didn't quite have him prepared, but it's not going to be a garage where they work on cars. It's going to be for storage only. It's going to be one car and uh no like parking outside of the garage. Um and as far as enforcing that, we would do this. We would enforce that the same way that we enforce with any of the tenants that own homes on the park having trash outside. We we have a clean park. We're going to keep it clean. Um but yeah, that's that's about it. Okay, thank you. Any questions?

Yeah, Mr. Tim called me this morning and and I told him last meeting they had a list of things they could use it building for and the proximity to the trailers around it was really close and my objection was having a public garage. And so, you know, after I talked to him today, I told him that I was not against uh using this facility for storage. Um, anybody that wants to store the cars in now or any any household items, anything, I have no objection to it. Um, I told him that we need to respect the people that was living so close. There was one trailer looked like about 30 ft from the back of the building. Another one probably 40 45 ft to the side. And I know I wouldn't want anybody wrenching u that close to my house and we need to respect him people. So, um I think he understood where I was coming from and but I I have no objection far as storage. Um, I just want to add uh to the motion that you know later on that um there can't be any wrenching as far as autos, lawnmowers, equipment, but as far as storing cars in there or or anything else, I I have no objection to it. And it's, you know, they have a nice mobile home park. um riding around through it. There was no

jump sitting around like you see in a lot of places. And and um I don't want to start something that snowballs and and I think he understood where I was coming from and and I I think we reached an agreement this morning. Any other questions? Thank you. Anyone sign up to speak to this case? No, sir.

Is there anyone here who would like to speak to this case? At 8:30, public hearing on case S-26-014 is now closed. Floor is open for a motion. Mr. Oaks. Uh, Mr. Gentlemen, in case a d-26-014, I make a motion that we issue a special use permit uh for a garage with the condition that it can be no wrenching as far as working on cars, lawnmowers, equipment is for storage only. We have a first. Is there a second? Second.

Thank you, Mr. Bars. There any other motions, questions, comments? Please cast your vote.

I'm a yes.

She lost her screen. I'm a Yes. I did mine earlier. Thank you. Motion passes 5 Z. Moving on to item 11. Miss Smith.

Um tonight before you we have um an amendment to the subdivision ordinance. As I discussed last month, um, chapter 18 of the Pennsylvania County Code, the subdivision ordinance is proposed to be amended to add a new section establishing an administrative review process for minor subdivision plat. Um, the amendment before you also adds a definition for minor subdivision. This amendment formalizes long-standing review practices for boundary line adjustments, lot consolidations, family subdivisions, and other non-subdivision plats that require verification of zoning and access compliance prior to recordation. Included in the packet for the planning commission's review is the proposed ordinance language. Um, I did share the proposed ordinance with um the surveyors that submit um these types of documents most frequently. Um, I did get some good feedback and so the ordinance before you um does address some of the comments and concerns that they brought to me.

Okay. Any questions for Miss Smith? I thought it was pretty straightforward. So, um, is there anyone the public is it is it public to speak to this? You do have to open a public hearing for this. Public hearing for u an amendment to the Pennsylvania code chapter 18 subdivision ordinance is now open. Is there anyone uh here to speak to this case or item?

Not a item up for public. Anyone here who would like to speak to it? Public hearing closed at 8:33. Floor is now open for a motion. Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion that we accept phase one amendment to the Pennsylvania County Code Chapter 18. We have a first. Is there a second?

A second. Thank you, Miss Mee. Any other motions, questions, comments? Please cast your vote. Motion carries. Five to zero. Was there any additional uh old business? I kind of forgot to ask that question earlier. You got hung up on the other part. Uh any additional new business? If that's the case, at 8:34 we are journed.