Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Mr. Dalton here, Mr. Oaks here, Miss Henderson here, and Mr. Web here. Thank you.

Let us all rise for a moment of silence followed by the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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All right. Item number five on the agenda is approval of the agenda. Can I get a motion to approve the agenda? Mr. Chairman, I make a motion that we approve the agenda. Thank you, Miss Me. And do I have a second? I'll second.

Thank you, Miss Henderson. You may now cast your votes. Say yes. motion passed 60.

All right. Thank you, Madam Clerk. We now move to item number six, chairman nomination and election. Please note that each nomination will require a second and if there are more than one nomination, each nomination will be voted on in the order that the nominations are made. I will now open the floor for nominations for chairman of the Pennsylvania County Planning Commission for a term of one year.

Make a motion to nominate Mr. Web, chairman of this board. All right. Thank you, sir. Do I have a second? I'll second.

Thank you, Mr. Oaks. Are there any other nominations? for chairman. All right. Hearing none, please cast your votes. motion passes 60.

All right. Thank you, Miss Clerk. And I guess looks like we might be having some technical difficulty tonight. Uh but that's very glad to hear, Mr. Webb. Congratulations on being reelected chairman. I now turn the meeting over to you. Thank you, Mr. Arnold. And we move to item number seven, nominations for vice chairman. U and then election. So, uh, the floor is open to a motion.

Make a motion from the citizens, the co-chair. A second.

Are there any other motions? Hearing none, please cast your vote. Got you. Motion passes seven to zero.

All right, moving to item eight, 2026 meeting schedule adoption. Chair is open for a motion to accept or to approve meeting dates for 2026.

I make a motion that the meeting schedule uh be approved as is. Is there a second? I'll second. Thank you, Miss Henderson. Please cast your vote. motion passes seven to zero. Brent,

moving to item nine, approval of Oh, okay. Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. Chair is open for uh a motion on the approval of the minutes.

I have a motion to approve. Is there a second? A second. Thank you, Miss Me. Any discussion on last month's meetings meeting meeting minutes? Seeing none, please cast your vote.

Motion passes 70. Thank you. Uh item number 10. I do not have a anything with the chairman's report this month. So we'll move to item 11, hearing of the citizens. Did anyone sign up for the hearing of the citizens? Yes, sir.

Okay. All right. Each person addressing the board under hearing of the citizen shall be a resident or land owner of the county or the registered agent of such restor land owner. Each person shall step up, give his her name and district in an audible tone of voice for the record, and unless further time is granted by the chairman, shall limit his her address to three minutes, no person shall be permitted to address the board more than once during the hearing of the citizens. All remark shall be addressed to the board as a body and not to any individual member thereof. Hearing of the citizens shall last for a maximum of 45 minutes. Any individual that has signed up to speak during said section who does not get the opportunity to do so because of the affordmentioned time limit shall be given speaking priority at the next board meeting. Absent chairman's approval, no person shall be able to speak who has not signed up. Who's the first to to speak?

Moren Wood. Good evening. I'm Moren Wood. I live in the Tonstall District. Uh earlier this year, a fire occurred at a residence on my street. It's uh 73 Hunter Ridge in Danville. Uh the fire was a significant fire. It was so significant they took the electrical meter out. The fire the fire chief did. Um recently it was purchased by an investor. They proceeded to remodel this home without a building permit. I in starting in September, I called the community development and since then on at least seven occasions asking about a building permit and they said it didn't have one. I said, "Well, then I need somebody to follow up on this because they're renovating this house that had a major fire without any inspections or anything." And it wasn't until December 16th that they finally went out and took a look at this property. Um, the reason I'm concerned you're it's going up for sale from an investor that I'm sure they're not going to disclose there was a fire there and you're going to put a new family in that house without having inspections. Well, they they did do the inspections. A bunch of stuff failed, but I'm under the impression that they're not making them take the drywall down to see where the fire damage was. the major fire damage was to see if the electrical and stuff was done correctly. And it's not fair to people that are going to buy that house. It's not fair to the residents that live in that neighborhood that the fire can maybe spread. Um, so I'm asking you guys to look into that and make sure that the proper inspections are being done, especially with the electrical stuff. Um, I also want to know, uh, let me see.

Um, what what is to be done about not getting a building permit and doing work on a if you're going to find the owner of this property, it's an investor and I can give you the name of the investor if you want. Uh, it's just it nothing that has happened with this house has been handled in the correct manner as far as I'm concerned. And I'm really upset about it. I've emailed your supervisors, never heard a word from anyone in the call, you know, and I get the blowoff on, you know, calling except on September 16th finally, you know, 3 months after I started calling about this house. So, I'm just I'm pretty upset about it and I want to know why a meter an electrical meter that was taken out by the fire marshal was put back in with no apparent inspections being done on that house. That's my major concern, how that happened. So, I just want you guys to be aware that of what's going on in your county and I want these people to be responsible for the work they did and possibly be fine. You guys are losing out on money without getting building permits.

Okay. So, thank you. Thank you. Anyone else?

No, sir. We'll now move to item 12, public hearing. Pursuant to article five, division 7, the Pennsylvania county zoning ordinance, we, the planning commission, have been empowered to hear and decide specific applications in support of said ordinance and to make recommendations to the board of supervisors or the board of zoning appeals. In accomplishing this important task, we are charged with promoting the health, safety, and general welfare of the citizens of Pennsylvania County. We must ensure that all our decisions and recommendations be directed to these goals and that each be consistent with the environment comprehensive plan, and in the best interest of Pennsylvania county, its citizens, and its posterity. Anyone here to speak to the board regarding zoning cases will be limited to three minutes. We will move to the first case. Case R-26-00001. Mr. Arnold.

Case R-26-00001. Joel and Kathy Wadell have petitioned to reszone 14.3 acres located on State Road 57's Road in the Kalen's Greta Election District from R1 residential suburban subdivision district to A1 agricultural district to allow for agricultural uses. Once the property is reszoned to A1, all uses listed under section 35-178 are permitted. The staff summary is enclosed in the board packet and Mr. Chairman, Mr. and Mrs. Wadell, I believe, are here to represent the petition. Thank you, Mr. Arnold. Is uh anything you would like to add the the Wadels to what Mr. Arnold has said? Okay. Has anyone signed up to speak on this case?

No, sir. Okay. At 7:16, the floor is open for a motion on case R-26-00001. Mr. Chairman, it's in my area. Um, in case R-26-00001, I recommend to the board of supervisors that this be approved as requested. I have had no opposition, no phone calls. floor has a first. Is there a second? I'll second that.

Thank you, Miss Henderson. Are there any additional questions, comments, or motions? Seeing and hearing none, please cast your vote. Motion passes 7 to zero. Case R-26-00002 is now up. Mr. Arnold,

case R-26-002. Charles WAC has petitioned to reszone 2.02 02 acres located on State Road 706 Abbott Place in the Banister Election District from R1 residential suburban subdivision district to A1 agricultural district to allow for a dog kennel. Once the property is reszoned to A1, all uses listed under section 35-178 are permitted. Please note kennels require a special use permit in the A1 zoning district as well as the resoning. Uh staff summaries enclosed in the board packet. Mr. Chairman, Mr. WAC is here to represent the petition. Mr. WAC, is there anything you would like to add?

Okay. Is there anyone here to speak to this case? Yes, sir. Miss Morin Wood, Miss Wood,

so you were not here to speak to this case. Okay. Is there anyone else that signed up? No, sir. Which one is that, ma'am? Yeah. One's R for reszoning and the other one is a special use permit. Okay. And no one else has signed up? No, sir. Okay.

Floor is now open for a motion on case R-26-002. Mr. Chairman, in the case of um R-26-00002, I'd like to make a motion that we do recommend for approval um to BZA for zoning approval or zoning. Reszoning resoning only at this time. Uh we have a first. Is there a second? A second.

Miss Me, thank you. Are there any additional motions, comments, or questions hearing? None. Please cast your vote. Motion passes 7 to zero. Floor is now open for case R-26-00003. Mr. Arnold.

Case R-26-00003. Larry Bernett has petitioned to reszone three parcels totaling 402.12 acres located on State Road 899 Cardwell Lane and State Road 62 Milton Highway in the Dan River Election District from R1 residential suburban subdivision district to A1 agricultural district to allow for agricultural uses grazing land and cattle. Once the property is reszoned to A1, all uses listed under section 35-178 are permitted. The staff summaries enclosed in the board packet. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Bernett is here to represent the petition. Mr. Bernett, is there anything you would like to add to what Mr. Arnold has said?

I thought he was in attendance, but he may not be. But if y'all have any questions, I'm happy to answer them on this. All right. I did not. Is anyone else have a question for Mr. Arnold? Is anyone signed up to speak on this case? No, sir. All right. Floor is now open for a motion on case R-26-003. Mr. Barts, as far as putting in the motion. Yes. Yes, sir.

Okay. As far as requesting uh to reszone 402.12 acres from R1 residential suburban subdivision district to A1 agricultural uh for property currently zoned R1 contingent upon reszoning approval to A1. The owner applicant intends to use property for agriculture grazing land with the cattle. I would approve that. All right, we have a first. Is there a second? I'll second it.

Thank you, Mr. Oaks. Are there any additional motions, questions, or comments? Hearing none, please cast your vote. Motion carries 7 to zero. Moving on to case R-26-004. Mr. KR-26-004 K. Guyire has petitioned to reszone 7.688 acres located on US Highway 29 in the Cadam Blair's election district from B2 Business District General and R1 residential suburban subdivision district to A1 agricultural district to allow the subject parcels to be consolidated with an adjacent A1 parcel. Once the property is reszoned to A1, all uses listed under section 35-178 are permitted. The staff summaries enclosed in the board packet. And Mr. Chairman, I believe Miss Guyer's sister is here to represent the petition tonight.

Is there anything you would like to add to what Mr. Arnold has said?

Please speak. Come speak to I'm K. State your name for the record. I'm Kendall Shelton. I'm in place of Ky sister Lynn here. She plans to run pigs and cattle across the land once reszoned to A1. Okay. Are there any questions? Thank you. Is anyone signed up to speak on this case? No, sir. Public hearing is closed. Let's move to uh requesting a motion on case R-26-00004.

Mr. Chairman, on case R-26-00004, I move that we recommend approval of the reszoning from B2 business district general and R1 residential suburban to A1 agricultural district on for this parcel. Thank you, Mr. Shelton. There is a first. Is there a second?

I'll second. Thank you, Miss Henderson. Are there any additional motions, questions, or comments? Hearing none, please cast your vote. Motion carries seven to zero. Now moving to case R-26-00005. Mr. Arnold. Case R-26-00005. Brian Potit on behalf of Cynthia Lathe has petitioned to reszone 2.79 acres located on State Road 862 Oakhill Road in the Tonsil election district from R1 residential suburban subdivision district to A1 agricultural district to allow for a manufactured home. Once the property is reszoned to A1, all uses listed under section 35-178 are permitted. The staff summaries enclosed in the board packet and Mr. Chairman Brian Potit is here to represent the petition. Mr. Patit, is there anything you would like to add?

Are there any questions for Mr. Petite? Has anyone signed up from this case? No, sir. All right. Floor is now open for a motion on case R-26-005. Mr. Chairman, in case R-26-00005, I recommend that we change the zoning from R1 to A1. All right, we have a first. Is there a second? A second.

Thank you, Mr. Henderson. Are there any additional motions, comments, or questions? Hearing none, please cast your vote. motion passes 7 to zero. Floor is now open for case R-26-00006. Mr. Arnold,

case R-26-00006, James and Lisa Austin have petitioned to reszone 0 002 acres located on State Road 1539 Ashworth Lane in the Westover Election District from RC1 Residential Combined Subdivision District to A1 Agricultural District to allow the property to be consolidated with and transferred to an adjacent parcel/propy owner. Once the property is reszoned to A1, all uses listed under section 35-178 are permitted. The staff summary is enclosed in the board packet and Mr. Chairman Joseph Fish who has special power of attorney writes on this case is here to represent the petition.

All right. Is there anything you'd like to add?

Okay. Um does anyone here on board have any questions? Um it's a shame you have to do it for 87 square ft. Uh and and you may recall uh an earlier case I don't was it last month at the other there was also a small a little bit larger area but this is all being done I believe to uh allow fencing to be at the edge of his property and uh you know just kind of cleans up that boundary a little bit. But

thank you. the and you said no one signed up to speak to this, correct? Okay. Uh is the floor is open or the chair is open for a motion on this. Mr. Chairman, I recommend approval of case R26-06 as submitted. Thank you, Mr. Ferris. Is there a second? A second.

Thank you. Are there any other motions, questions, or comments? Hearing none, please cast your vote. Motion passes 7 to zero. We will now move to case R-26-00007. Mr. Arnold.

Case R-26-00007. Pennsylvania County Board of Supervisors has petitioned to reszone a total of 224.24 acres located on or near US Highway 29, Main Street and Pocket Road in the Stanton River Election District from R1 uh which the portion that's R1 is 28.39 acres residential suburban subdivision district and A1 which that portion is 195.85 85 acres in the agricultural district to M2 industrial district heavy industry to allow the properties to be used for advanced manufacturing. Once the property is reszoned to M2, all uses listed under section 35-42 are permitted. The staff summaries enclosed in the board packet. And Mr. Chairman, the county's economic development director, Mr. Matt Row, is here to represent the petition on behalf of the board of supervisors.

Mr. Good evening, Mr. Chairman, planning commission members. I've been asked by the board to uh to be the face of this uh petition and uh and so again, the property itself uh obviously is uh comprised of the old Burlington Mills, Clman Mills facility. Uh and so uh there's a lot of players involved uh with that being the Stanton River Regional Industrial Facility Authority. is comprised of Pennsylvania county, the city of Danville, and the town of Hurt. And uh and again, the city and the county uh as far as uh and the town of Hurt obviously. Excuse me, Mr. Ro. Would you mind raising that mic? I'm so tall. You are.

Sorry. You can hold it if you need to. Yeah,

no worries. Um so again, uh you know, at the end of the day, those member locales are supportive uh of this uh particular request. what you see uh is is that when you're looking at the map of of you know this this contiguous acreage you actually have spot zoning within the heavy industrial uh where you have some A1 zone parcels in addition to R1 parcels um and so again the thought process from that authority that has been requested of to the board of supervisors for this initiation is to pretty much make that all one contiguous large single zoned area for advanced manufacturing. Um, I would say uh that obviously the authority has been working with the uh impacted uh property owners. When I say impacted property owners, the actual properties that are being petitioned for the reasonzoning uh and so again they are in support uh of that. Um again based upon the comprehensive plan uh that you have today again that area up there in her historically has been a large employment center. I think at the height of Burlington Mills they employed over 1300 uh folks and uh as we all know a lot of generations uh you know lived and and uh relied upon that particular asset. So again it is supported by the comp plan. Um I have seen and I have gotten uh several calls and again just kind of being the the face of this uh for the board regarding is this a power plant, is this a data center? Um, and I can go certainly on the record and and tell you that from what has been stated to directly to staff from the authority, uh, and from the board of supervisors, um, there is no interest to locate a data center or a power plant on the site. Not only is there no interest, again, people that know me know I'm always in the weeds looking at the infrastructure side of things. Um, at the end of the day, there's not enough gas on the site to generate power through a power plant. And the other component is is that you don't have enough electrical infrastructure to

justify a a large data center asset. So not only is the board not interested in that um but the actual infrastructure itself just doesn't support it. So it's it's just not feasible on the site. The other thing I would just say is again um you know one of the things you guys typically uh you know certainly review is is this a spot zoning? Is this a unique case? Uh you know is it adjacent to similar zone properties? And as you can see from the mapping I think that's in your packet, all of these properties touch uh heavy industrial zone property either in the town of Hurt as far as their town zoning designation or outside in the county. And uh and again I know that there had been I think some rumors about uh you know development of the property being imminent or anything like that based upon uh the uh uh timbering uh of the property. All of these properties are currently in active civil cultural use. So again, this is nothing to do with the county, nothing to do with the authority with regards to the uh the timbering that is visible on the site. If you have any uh specific questions, I can do my best to uh answer them given the u you know the conditions, but really from the uh from the board and from the authorities standpoint, this is kind of a speculative uh process of trying to prepare the property uh just based upon the types of inquiries that we've received from large uh advanced manufacturers. Any questions for Mr. Row?

Uh, Mr. Chairman, I do have a couple questions. Um, so I've checked my email and I've had actually two calls in reference to this. Um, had one call in support and and one call that uh really isn't forward. And the reason behind it and I guess the question is is the environmental impact uh of that spot and actually that area there. Um the u fell that called me is a resident and a business owner. So uh could you address that far as the site itself and any potential tenant that may come? you know what would be done for us looking into environmental impact of that?

Certainly, it's a good question. Um, and so what I would say is I would even take one step back and again we want to be totally transparent. Um, obviously the previous site it was a brownfield site, right? I mean it was it was a it was a textile mill. And so um if anyone in the town of Hurt wants a free Town of Hurt t-shirt, uh we have them in piles where they were dumped and buried. Uh, and so up to this point, the uh, property owners have taken out about $2 million worth of t-shirts to our county landfill. So, where I'm going with this is is that the actual standard or or or you know, status of the property because again, any kind of large industry that comes in has to have a clean phase one environmental, right? in order to get financing or investment or just go through the process. We actually before we even talk about another user coming into the property, the property currently is in a better condition than it ever was in the past. So all of those regional uh or recognized environmental concerns that are typically found in a phase one, they have to be addressed and they are in the process of being addressed moving forward. You know, that's a trick question. I mean, anybody that buy builds a house technically has a negative externality on the property. you're cutting down a tree, anything we do. But what I would say is is that certainly when you're looking at the types of uses in advanced manufacturing, when you look up the definition of advanced manufacturing, right, it's CNC machining. It's uh electric uh and robotics uh you know, types of uh of manufacturing. It's uh types of uh industries that obviously provide good sustainable long-term wages. that is really the focus of where the board is and with this property just as they are uh with other industrial parks in the in the county. So, you know, if we are to get to the fortunate uh portion here of where we're able to obviously, you know, have a public announcement and get a

tenant and everybody's feeling good about themselves and going down that path, they still have to obviously go through the state uh process of working with Virginia DEEQ uh with regards to when it comes to storm water, when it comes to surface water delineation for state wetlands. I mean, you name it, they'll have to work with our local uh erosion sediment control team. the county does a great job uh with that for ENS in addition to on the federal side. Again, if they're if if they are impacting stream channels or whatever that may look like uh long term in the future, right, you would have Army Corps of Engineers getting involved and going through that NEPA process. And then finally, if there were to be, you know, some form of minor air missions or anything like that, um again, you know, that would go through a state process with the Virginia DEEQ. So, where I'm going with this is is that there's not a specified identified user, you know, that we're able to say, "Yep, you know, this individual is, you know, tonight, you know, coming to this site." Um, but again, all of those mechanisms are in place when it comes to environmental review. That's the best answer I can give you.

Thank you. Any additional questions? Mr. Mr. Chairman, the only uh question I've had is of concern of a data center. And I think you've resolved the anxieties here tonight because most of us think that people were afraid that's what it would be. And I admire you for getting laying in order, doing your homework in case you do have a tenant that wants to come, you're ready, as ready as you can be. and I appreciate your hard work you've done is to get it in place.

You know, the credit goes, I think, to that, you know, to that, you know, regional industrial facility authority. I know Mr. Dalton's on that. So, again, um, you know, we just we just take the lead from them and I'm glad to see something of interest coming to the northern U county. We're we're hopeful. So that will be announced as of what you said once you have a tenant in place. Yes. Yes ma'am. I mean if if we're fortunate enough obviously to get a tenant um in place obviously with the types of projects that the the county and the authority are focusing on you know that would obviously warrant some form of I would imagine a state um announcement process. Yes.

Thank you. Well here's hope wishing you the best of luck in that regard. We're taking a shot. All right. I tell you, we've got some folks signed up for this one. We do. Jeff Love,

Jeff Love, Stanton River District. The proposed zoning change establishes some very dangerous precedents. The board of supervisors is requesting the zoning change instead of the property owners. Since the board makes the final decision, this is a way for the board to force a zoning change without any regard for citizen or property owner input. If this precedent is set, the board will be able to pl place any intrusive industry or business anywhere in the county. The board is hiding the potential business or industry that will use the site. Standard procedure involves the property owner disclosing the specific reason for the resoning request in order for the planning commission to make an informed decision. Industrial District M2 heavy industry is the least restrictive zoning and allows any large-scale manufacturing or industrial facility to be built, including data centers. Buildings can be up to 120 ft tall with no restrictions on the height of smoke stacks or chimneys. It's a huge jump to go from the current residential and agricultural zoning to heavy industry. Per Matt Row, the intent is to reszone the entire area between the two her exits and between 29 and Main Street, including over 1,000 acres. Be aware that there are residential properties, small businesses, schools, medical facilities, and Wayside Park in the immediate area. I lived in a suburban area that was within 5 miles of heavy industry. So, I can speak from experience. Any potential heavy industry will only agree to locate to an area if they receive large tax breaks and greatly reduced utility fees and other fees. potential employment numbers will be greatly inflated. The state of resoning

purpose is for advanced manufacturing which utilizes robotics and AI to reduce and or eliminate the need for employees. Heavy industry creates water pollution, air pollution, noise pollution, light pollution and traffic. The pollution will have negative impacts on health, environment, property, farms, livestock, crops, wildlife, and quality of life. This includes increased risk of cancer and other major health issues. The pollution would impact a large area, especially Hurt, Altistic, Gretina, Cadam, and beyond. Water pollution includes contamination of wells and the Rohanoke Stanton River, which travels up 410 miles through southern Virginia and northern northeastern North Carolina. Everything outdoors will be coated with and damaged by industrial pollutants. Forcing substantial zoning changes in the county before completing the comprehensive plan revision and before completing the zoning res revision is completely unethical is and is illconceived. The only entity that will benefit from this will be the heavy industry business. This will not increase employment opportunities. It will not increase county or town revenue and our rural way of life will be destroyed. Thank you. Tracy Love, Tracy Love from the Stan River District. And uh after hearing the presentation, I'm completely changing my presentation. Basically, I feel we are putting the cart before the horse.

This is the printout of the heavy uh industrial zoning, the M2 zoning that is in our zoning that we have in our county. In the permitted uses for NM2, there is a list that starts here, goes the entire second page and down through here. These things can be anything from manufacturing to health care to child care to um billboards, concrete mixing, feed lots, nurseries, some really cool things. Uh having nursery and big plant nursery, I'd be all for that. That would be great for our environment that would actually not be A1 driven and not robotics. I'd be all for that. But it also includes things like rendering plants. I don't know if you know what a rendering plant is, but it's basically disposable disposal of animal carcasses and rotting bulk food products and oil from restaurants. If you've been near one, it has a smell that cannot be be described. It's horrible. It reeks. If you've ever driven past one, you will never forget it. I have. I lived in a rural county. I grew up in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, Amish country. We spent our days growing up living outside, playing outside. My grandfather worked in hoposery. That was manufacturing.

that manufacturing was entirely different from what manufacturing is today. Yes, that employed a lot of people. They had people who actually sat at every single sewing machine sewing each sock and he and a couple other men kept all those machines going. They packed up all those socks and they were sent out all over the country. That was handson American manufacturing. That's not the way it's done now. Now you have robotic chains of events. We lived in York County, the Harley-Davidson final assembly plant. Yet a couple people overseeing the assembling line putting these Harley-Davidson motorcycles together. There were less hands that touched one Harley-Davidson in that plant than touched one pair of socks in my grandfather's hoposery plant. And when we lived in New York, I couldn't keep after the grunge that was on our furniture outside. There was a You think the pollen's bad around here? You talk about the pollining in the spring, that ain't nothing. You would pray to go back to the good old days of pollining compared to the gray dust that settles when you live in an area of industry from the soot of the plants. I know that my health has gotten 100% better since we moved out of the industrial area and moved down here. So

has my husband. So has my mother. I hate to lose that. Thank you Carl Clay. the advanced manufactur. says,

Katie Whitehead My name is Katie Whitehead. I live in Tight Squeeze in the Cadam Blair's district. I am a member of and I'm speaking I'm a member of the Coalition for the Protection of Pennsylvania County. I am representing the group this evening. So, I'm anticipating having as much as 10 minutes. Okay. Um, I'm speaking in the absence of those who usually speak for the group who have work and family commitments this evening. I can assure you that they and others involved in the coalition and those who follow the coalition on Facebook are paying attention. I've had to remind myself that this is a public hearing before the planning commission, not the board of supervisors, and that the topic is resoning proposed for the area surrounding the industrial site at Hurt, not the mega site. During the past three weeks, in the thick of the holiday season, the county has issued a confusing number of public notices and announcements, not just for this hearing, but also the one follow-up hearing on the hurt resoning before the supervisors at their regular meeting on January 20th, which is a month earlier than usual. In addition, there was an announcement for the board of supervisors special called session on December 30th where they adopted three

resolutions to initiate the hurt reszoning and reszoning of the southern Virginia mega site of Berry Hill as its own special zoning district. And of course, there has been public notice of your joint public hearing and meeting with the supervisors on January 15th regarding the mega site resoning. It's easy to get confused. I am concerned about all of these changes being fasttracked ahead of and outside the comprehensive plan overhaul process. A year ago, a draft update of the county's zoning ordinance was scheduled for a vote by our supervisors after three years of work by the previous board and consultants and county staff. The board voted to delay that vote until August, by which time the board had decided to delay updating the zoning ordinance until after the comprehensive plan was overhauled. There was a lot of talk and general consensus that the con comprehensive plan needed to be updated. That process has reportedly started, though as of yet there have been no public meetings and the citizen steering committee has yet to be appointed. Some supervisors have stated that they need that we need an updated comprehensive plan in order to avoid repeating the divisive controversy the county experienced over Balico's resoning proposal.

The current resoning applications may be different than balacos in that the resoning complies with the existing comprehensive plan. How however the current cases like balacos do lack transparency. Um, I am relatively informed regarding these resoning cases, but I'm still poorly informed. I am concerned about the near impossibility of informed, meaningful public participation in the review process for these cases. It is tempting to read between the lines, and I'm sure many people do at the risk of being either naively trusting or cynically paranoid. People have guessed rightly or wrongly without the benefit of Madro's explanation this evening that the reasonzoning is for data centers at either or both locations or a government project being rushed by the state at hurt or a gas power plant at Berry Hill. supervisors seem to think we should blindly trust them, but that's not how democracy is supposed to work. I have to wonder if you as members of the planning commission are any better informed than the rest of us who are not privy to the closed discussions of economic development by the two industrial authorities, the Danville, Pennsylvania Regional Industrial Facility Authority or ORIFA that

oversees the Cyber Park and the Southern Virginia Megaite at Berry Hill and the Stanton River Regional Industrial facility authority or Sant River RIFFA that oversees the Southern Virginia Multimodal Park at hurt or the Pennsylvania County Industrial Development Authority or IDA that works with staff to promote industry and trade. In the hurt resoning case before the commission this evening and the upcoming mega site resoning case, residents who have been invited to comment at this hearing and at the hearing on the 15th are not supposed to know what our supervisors have in mind in a any specific way. Um, we have been refused information about whether county le leaders have a particular company or companies or specific specific type of industry in mind. how we are supposed to comment. How are we and how are you supposed to vote on whether to recommend approval of a reasonzoning application if all you know for sure is the long list of byright businesses that could conceivably be developed on these sites. Each of you was nominated by your supervisor and approved by the board as a whole. Are you going to do anything but rubber stamp a request for reszoning initiated by and sure to be approved by

the board of supervisors. Before you vote, I hope you will share your thinking with us. Let us know what gives you confidence in your decision. Thank you, Travis Lineer. Good evening, members of the board. My name is Travis Lair. I'm from the Hurt community. Me and my wife and our two kids recently moved into well I moved like here. She's been here all her life. We just recently bought a home a year ago to literally to the exact date and now we're finding out that that the board wants to reszone this into an M M2 heavy industrial. Like I have two kids that are autistic, have ADHD, and they like to play outside. If that happens like no matter what the building is, if it if it comes with like pollution, it can come with complet it can come with pollution. It can definitely raise up it can definitely raise up rent mortgages and stuff like that. Usually with a big impact with it being good good or bad, it it comes with

other impacts. It's a domino effect. And before you get to our house, it's a community between somebody as young as young as me to up to that could be somebody's grandpa in that community. And we all know as as you get older and stuff like that, life gets harder. And they say you get cancer from everything. So you don't need to add to it with it with whatever that they have planned. Also like one of one of the people that's connected to me, his name is Larry Roach. He has he has property on both sides of 29 that one of it on on the east side going up toward Lynchburg. That's the where they did the big destruction of of the trees where they want to zone it. But also there's a sign on the other side that said want to be resone. And he has a little piece before you get to our house. Then he has another piece on the back end. And Mr. Mr. approach. Uh, I guess he knows Mr. Mr. Matt Mattro and um I saw him in communication but nothing's nothing's in writing. He's saying it's on the east side but they're still assigned to saying reszoning. So it's still got me and my family. Not only not only my not only my family but the whole community like like babbled because we don't know what's going on. We don't we don't know what the plans are. I'm asking I'm asking you not only as a American citizen but the flag that y'all salute. I was in the military eight years. I still work for the

community. I worked down the road at Green Rock. me not only as a patriot, I'm asking y'all to re like really think about what you're agreeing or disagreeing on with this decision cuz a lot of lives are in effect. Thank you. That is all that signed up to speak. Mr. Chairman, is there anyone else here that would like to speak to this case? Come forward. State your name, district.

Um, Amanda Walker, Stanton River District. I live on Pocket Road. The gentleman in the blue suit, I believe he knows exactly what is going to go there. And I think you also should be asking more questions and learning what is an an industrial advanced manufacturing. I was told by one of the land owners, there's only five of them. The town of Hurt, Mr. Gibson, the Robertsons, her partners LLC, and then Axeman. They had a meeting with the town of her. It's all about the water. They asked them to hold the land till March so they could get a decision. They said no. They threw a bunch of money at them that they can keep if this doesn't go through. These people don't care what's going to impact us environmentally.

They're just going to get the cash. They've already destroyed the land every day. All the woods are gone. Please speak to the mic, ma'am. Thank you. All the woods are gone. So, I see that you guys hardly ask a question. You've voted all along. You need to vote no on this. We need more time. This gentleman knows exactly what's going on in there. He said it's in the defense industry. Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to speak? State your name and district, sir.

My name's Aubrey Miles. I live in the Sten River District. Um, I've heard all the comments. The bottom line in this, the county needs economic development. The county needs jobs. I remember when Kloppman Mills was full operation employed 12,300 people. I worked there in 1972 to 1975 when I quit and went and spent 20 years in the army. The county needs the jobs. They need the tax base. regardless of what industry comes today. It's a good area and it's pretty much in a remote area cuz I checked it out a week or so ago. You know, it's not like, you know, I hate to bring it up, but the data center down chalk level road, you know, that was in sight of a house, but you can put an industry on this land and hurt and, you know, I don't think it' be in sight of anybody's house. Now I could be wrong but you know it can be in a remote location on the area that if it's reszoneed and uh I mean just the site advantages from this area you got the river running right down through there and I don't know about power natural gas and all that good stuff but this is an ideal site for industry to bring jobs back to the county. Thank you.

Is there anyone else? I think I saw a hand over here. Come forward, ma'am.

Wait till you get to the mic. Turn it down a little bit. Thank you.

Yeah. My name is Sheri Johnson and I'm take care of the property for my grandfather Ruben Graves and his land is adjacent to the land that they are trying to um reszone. My question is what does the reszoning do to our property? As of right now, they have taken all the woods down. Only woods that's standing in that area is my grandfather's land. So the road that was the the pro to um get to our land we could get to before they start cutting down all the trees. Now we can't even get to our property because they have um rerouted the road. And then if you go in off of Panel Lane, you can go only go in so far because they got an embankment there. Then if you go in off of 29 south, you can go only go in so far because they got an embankment there. So we have no access to our land. So my question is if they do reszone this district, what does that mean for our property? Cuz we got a family cemetery on that land also. So that's my question is if you do allow them to do this then what does that do to our property as far as us accessing it um getting to our family cemetery. So that's my question is and I think y'all should rethink reszoning this, you know, just not thinking about the money process. Think about the neighbors there too. My daughter live in her she live right above Wayside Park. So I'm just saying like everybody said, think of other people before you make a um you know a decision. Just think of the other people. And I would like to know um who do I need to talk to to find out how do I keep access to our grandfather's property? Cuz right now we can't access it. We went up there last week. We had to walk in and then when we

got to going down the it's a gravel road over there. You can't even go down there because they got a big embankment right there. We we can't even travel that road. Even if we wanted to ride in a truck, we cannot get in there. We tried from Pioneer Lane and we was blocked. Then we went in off 29, we was blocked again. So we had to walk in. So I would like to know what's going to happen and how do we remain access to our property and our family cemetery. Thank you.

Is there anyone else? My name is Kathy Grant and I'm from the Stanton River District. I live uh just a few miles from where this land will be reszoned and it is up above Wayside Park. And I know that no matter what anybody tries to come in here and tell us, it's going to negatively negatively affect Wayside Park. There's a playground there. There's a stream there. There are hiking trails there. And I can tell you right now, I don't want it because I know it's all about money. And the people with the money, they don't care about our children, our grandchildren, or the future. All they care about is now and how much money they're going to get in their hands. So, I'm saying no. Please, please say no. That's all I got to say.

Anyone else? Mr. Ro, is there anything you'd like to add after the comments? Okay. Is any any of the fellow commissioners have questions? I'd like to say something.

I'd like to um kind of point out and I hope I'm not out of order to make this mention. Um, our county has been through a lot and I'm not um here to reprimand anyone, but we have to keep a certain level of decorum and hurling attacks, especially unfounded is not this is not the place for that. This is a community meeting and we are a very um kind board so to speak. We keep things mellow and cool. We have rules that we follow and um I would just like to hope that going forward we can all agree to that. We're all adults here and to make accusations that's not acceptable. So I did want to make mention of that.

Thank you, Miss Henderson. Anyone else? I would like to make a comment. it. We have to trust our board of supervisors to bring the kind of industry in where will not be detrimental to our communities. And they do take this serious. And the northern end of the county has been neglected for a long time. and I trust that they will make the decisions that is best for the county.

Thank you, Mr. Oaks. Is there anyone else? Yes, Mr. Chairman. Excuse me, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to make a comment of that. Okay.

Thank you, sir. Yes. Uh, thank everybody for coming out and I am on the board of supervisors and I do take every every all these comments in in to heart and I really concerned about it. But also like Mr. Oak said, I'm not and I don't think there's no other board members that's going to make a decision to affect people's lives that you know of any kind of way. Anything we do, we're gonna do it like it should be done to protect the land owners and the people around it. I've been on the board four years and I've got beat I'm in the Calins Grant District, but that is one thing I have got beat up on. Nobody wants to bring anything to the northern end of the county. Y'all forget about us. You send everything to Danville or the southern end. Well, to get this land reszone, this may be an opportunity to get a good business here to support the northern end. Like you said, Klyman was there for I don't know how many years. They employed a lot of people and I mean just anytime people says, "Why don't y'all do something for the Northern End?" Well, we have this opportunity hopefully to be able to do a good thing for the Northern End and give our children a future place to come back to work. If they leave, at least they can come back home and have somewhere. Again, I'm not going to vote for anything that's going to affect anybody's lives or affect the streams or anything. As Mr. wrote made a comment earlier tonight. Probably Kloppman Meals at the time done more harm to the area than any industry around here. I mean, they run a die house. They had chemicals. They had their own waste water. I mean, they got had plenty of water rights coming out of Stanton River. Probably more than the town of

Her Alabusta's got if the truth's known. So, you know, they run a business. As far as I know, it didn't affect the neighborhoods. I don't know what we going to do. If something good comes, I hope it does to support the northern end of our county. I mean, I don't know. I don't want if I was still working, I want to drive to Lynchburg or to North Carolina to get a job. I would like to have a job in Pennsylvania County. And this gives an opportunity if we get something in here. So yes, I would like to see it reszone so if something does come, we ready for it. You know, everybody tells me y'all fix or have an industrial park, get infrastructure in place so we got a place for a business. A business ain't going to come if you're not ready for them. They going to go on down to the next state or or wherever and just going to bypass Pennsylvania County. So I I hate to see that opportunity if you know if we have that if we sit here and turn our heads because we don't want our industry to come. I don't think we really doing what's right for the other citizens and but I do hear the people that concerns too. I do. And again, I'm not going to vote for anything to harm anybody, any stream, any animal, or any person, but I don't think there's no other board members would support that. Also, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Dalton. Anyone else?

Mr. Chairman, um I think we all agree in order to have progress, we have to change. Nobody likes change. Nobody wants it in your back door, but we want a better future for our children and our grandchildren. Mr. Oaks mentioned something about and all of you, not all of you, but some of you said tonight, it's all about the money. How many of y'all have seen that advertisement? I think it's an attorney in Reno and she starts out it's all about the money and then what does she say? Yes, it is all about the money. Now, I'm not saying it's all about the money here, but we all know if we have money for our communities, what can we have? What does that bring? It brings better schools. It brings better protection for our communities deputies. It brings better health security rescue squads. Yes, nobody wants to make a change, but in order to have progress, we have to change. I think what Mr. Dalton said tonight speaks volumes. We have to be ready when an opportunity comes. And I I hope an opportunity does come and the board and uh all that have been involved in trying to get this location.

I think it was brought out tonight. Very few people will live around this the housing. But thank y'all all for coming out. We all that's why we in the in the great America that we can express our differences and that's what we're here for. And if one if someone does come a tenant we I'm sure we'll have public hearing and you can vent for that as well. Thank you all for coming. Thank you, Miss Me. Anyone else? Mr. Chair, if I may, Mr. Ferris,

thank everyone for coming. Appreciate you coming out. Um, I hear your concerns. And if I may say, um, I have grandchildren to go to school. I have some go to Faith Christian Academy. as some go to Hurt Elementary. Of course, I got some go to GR. Um, we used that park down there and hurt and before that park got renovated back when I was a kid. We used that park. In fact, that was our field trip from Manary Elementary School. would go over there and eat lunch, so forth, so on. And we thought that was the biggest thing since sliced bread. On the flip side of that, I was raised pretty much by my grandparents. Now, my grandfather raised the Bible. Wasn't a big farm. And I'm probably getting out in the fields little and tobacco farmers. You know what I'm talking about. The little pig and they miss a plant when the plant you put their pig in there. You put the plant in there and then as a crop grows of course you get the tops and back then you you put offshoot tea on the stalk and that stuff ran down my arm. It may affect me eventually. I don't know. There wasn't no good stuff. But with that to the point of plot meals, my grandmother worked second shift there to make ends meet. Um,

you know, with that said, I am concerned because of my grandchildren. But the flip side of it is too is I like for them to have a place to work in the county. as long as long if this site is developed. And we do have the environmental study that is going to protect my grandchildren, our citizens, their children and grandchildren. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Ferris, anyone else? Let me just say that again appreciate everyone coming out. Um, I hear you. I also know that when you look at demographics for the county over the past decades in the decline in population, the decline in opportunities, we do need to be prepared and find the way to keep young people here, middle-aged people here, and even draw new people here. We do have to trust at times our elected officials to look out after what's best for Pennsylvania County and the type of company they bring here and hope that they are a good corporate citizen and will look after not only their neighbors but the county and the state. So, I understand your concerns, but we as a county have got to do a few things differently going forward, or else we're all going to pay more down the road when we continually to lose population. Anyone else? He hearing's closed. Floor is open for a motion on case R-26-00007. Mr. Ferris,

Mr. Chairman, in case R26-07, I make a motion that we submit this recommend this as submitted. Is there a second? A second.

Thank you, Miss Me. Are there any additional motions, comments, or questions? Seeing and hearing none, please cast your vote. Motion passes 7 to zero. Let's take a fivem minute break before we move to uh this first special use case.

Right. All right. Well, thank you.

I'm glad to be back. It did. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I feel good. I felt good. All right, let's move to item H. Uh, floor is now open for case S-26-00001. Mr. Army

case S-26-00001. Bethanne James has petitioned for a special use permit on 18.51 acres located on State Road 882 West Sunrise Drive in the Tons Election District to allow for a micro resort and retreat center. The staff summaries enclosed in the board packet and Mr. Chairman Bethanne James is here to represent the petition. I would also like to add that at each of your seats on the dis uh there is an updated site plan in hard copy this large plot right here. Uh so this is updated as of today and therefore was not available when the agenda packet uh was published last week last Tuesday. Thank you Mr. Chairman. the change.

Good evening. To our family, this project is My name is Beth Anne James and I am one of the partners in this project and sort of the primary lead. Um to our family, this project is far more than a business venture. It's a living love letter. It's a love letter to our grandparents whose strength and vision allowed them to secure this land in 1889, just 24 years after the end of slavery. It's also a love letter to our children and our children's children, ensuring that they have a place of beauty, history, and belonging to call their own. Because we view this as a legacy for more than for the next 135 years, we acknowledge that our site plan is a binding exhibit. We have enlisted highly reputable professionals to guide this project from our land surveyor, land engineer, land landscape architect and our to be determined builder. We will ensure that every structure from the 1st to the 15th is plotted with the professional precision required to meet section 35-138 and protect the land that we love. We want to be very clear. We desire to get along with our neighbors. We are members of this community ourselves and we believe that the power of open dialogue exists. To that end, it is it was disheartening that despite our proactive outreach, including a personal letter to each mailbox in our neighborhood, no one attended our community meeting on August 30th. We remain committed to promoting civility and transparency. And we will want to assure that the board and our neighbors that our priority is to a safe peaceful environment where guests can enjoy the high quality visit to our neighborhood. Echo Valley Micro Resort is a multigenerational project. As such, we are fully committed to obtaining every required local, state, and federal permit be before a single shovel is put

in the ground. We're not here for quick development to make money. We're here to implement a professional phased resort that meets 21st century safety standards without compromising any of our ancestral roots. I appreciate your time. Is this a time for me to take questions? Yes. Are there questions for Miss James? Yes, I have one. Um, are you familiar with the conditions brought forth by this staff? I am. Okay. Are you okay with those? I'm sorry. I mean, they're they're they're fairly lengthy. Are are are you okay with all of the conditions?

Yes. And we we've responded um to those to asssure that we are we intend to be in compliance. Um we agree. The one thing that we would request is that our operating hours on Friday and Saturday be extended to midnight instead of 10 o'clock um seven days a week. So, that's the only thing that we would ask would be amended. Any other questions?

I've just got one comment. That's that neighborhood down there is um good neighborhood. I've never heard anything from it. And they put these times in here to protect your neighbors. And I would really hate to see them lengthened. Um I I know if if there is a problem with noise or or um any other problem, you know, they can pull it permit. And so I I would hate to see any change in it.

I can appreciate that. And I I want to say that I have two cousins here. Um we grew up in that neighborhood. And so most of the people who live in that neighborhood are our family.

Um you know, I think that maybe the event center, retreat center might give people an idea of what they think it is, but this is a nature immersed retreat center where we hope to have people come and gather to do yoga and meditation. um on a Friday or a Saturday if we have an event that runs until 10:00 and then we need to clean up and we need to get people out of there, you know, I don't want to be out of compliance if I'm there until 11:00. You know, I don't want to go until 2 o'clock in the morning. The other thing I want to that I think that as we've been talking to staff, we want to be very clear that this is not an event center where we want to have rock and roll concerts. You know, it would fly in the face of our vision. We want it to be a quiet again nature immersed zen space for people to come and digital detox and all of that. But but I do want to you know I'm not asking for 2 o'clock. I'm asking for 12:00 to make sure that we're able to get everybody out of there in a safe way um and not be out of compliance

or or against the regulations. But, you know, if if there was a concert or anything like that, ending at 10:00, cleaning up is is is, you know, beyond that time. But it's it's the actual part that when you would have uh music or any kind of uh thing that that would be uh something that the neighbors would be disturbed about.

Yeah. We also have on the new plan, you'll see that we have the setbacks listed around. So that diminishes the noise for the neighbors. You know, I I don't want to push the issue, but I do want to push the issue. Um we have put everything in place to try and make sure that it does stay quiet, that you know, there's the, you know, we'll comply with the dustable um requirement, that there's no stadium lights. This is not a concert hall. Um um I just I feel very strongly about the request for midnight and I will of course comply with whatever the board requires, but um that would be my only um requested amendment to the very extensive list of um of uh conditions

conditions. Mr. Arnold. Yes, sir. the timeline to 10 o'clock. That is for the actual event to close and not dispersement and cleanup. That's correct. So like if it if it was music, music needs to stop at 10:00 and then the crowd leaves and you still clean up regardless of how long that takes.

That's right. We understand that the to support the operation to support the facility uh there will be activities out beyond the event both before and after. Uh so certainly uh in Miss James example of staff needing to stay beyond 1000 p.m. on a Friday or Saturday night she'd still be in compliance. Yeah. Abs I would say absolutely. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. So even if if the crowd is still there at 9:59 and and and the last drum beat is hit at 10, then the cars can disperse if it takes them a half hour or more to do it.

That's right. I think you would say that the official event is closing at 10 p.m. Okay. I mean, just from my perspective as the current zoning administrator, I don't see how it would be realistic or a reasonable expectation for something to abruptly cease right at 10 p.m. All right. Does does that delay any of your fears?

You know, the cleanup is is one example, but you know, there's also there may be some economic impact if someone wants to have an event there. a you know a a social gathering and you know we may not be able to um take advantage of that revenue if somebody wants something past 10 o'clock if they rent from 7 o'clock in the evening 7 to 10 you know so I I think that midnight is reasonable but again I will comply are there any other questions from M James Mr. Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. Just one comment. So, if y'all extend it to 12 and it takes another 2 hours, then that pushes it on after 2 or 3:00 the next morning.

So, I don't know whe that would be an issue or not. I mean, if you if you quit at 10 and it takes you two hours to clean up, then you're done at 12. But if you keep extending it, when you going to get done? That's true. I mean, that's just just my thought. But I understand what the young lady is saying, too. I think it's I think it's a good thing. And again, I'm asking for Fridays and Saturdays only. These are evenings where, you know, I understand there's also a regulation for starting late on Sunday, you know, in rep, you know, in recognition of maybe church hours. You know, I'm not asking for every day of the week. Just, you know, my only request.

Okay. Is there anything else before we open the floor to I think we have someone signed up for this one.

We do. Um Calvin Yarboro. Yeah. Hi, my name is Calvin Yarbert with the Thompson District. Uh, mainly I just want to say that uh I own a house less than a quarter of a mile from the facility, you know, from from the uh from the from the uh the land. My mother lives in the house and uh my brother and myself have purchased it from her. I come home quite frequently, so I still stay in the house when I'm here. Um, I'm very comfortable with the project. I'm very intimately involved um with what they're doing. I'm a part of the committee, so I'm very comfortable with what they're doing. I know the hearts of everybody involved. The fact that they want to be good neighbors and that they're very open and want to make sure this thing works. The bottom line is we want to do a business. We have the land. We want to do a business. We don't want to have what the the the argument or the issue that was on the on the that was online before we came up. We're not doing that. We could say, "Let's sell the land and let some other company come in, but this is a family-owned business. We want to make it work. We want to be good neighbors." So, I I want to say I'm all for it and I'm in the neighborhood and I know the heart of of everybody that's involved and they've been very open to what you guys are saying. And I'm also saying that if we have an opportunity to you keep talking about crowds and and and events, but if we just have a family reunion, uh we end at 10 o'clock. That's what I'm saying. It might take a couple hours to clean it up. So, it's not going to be bands and concerts and all that like I think you guys are envisioning. So, I just just want to leave you with that. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, Kathy Grant. Okay, Amanda Walker. Thank you. That is all I have.

That was it. All right. Uh, as far as the time of the project, uh, as far as closing the events, um, I do see your point. Um, I personally, Mr. strokes your motion to make um maybe at least on Friday evenings extending it for an hour maybe two probably not Saturday night but that would be kind of my my thoughts along those uh lines but uh I'll I'll I'll support what what you think is is best.

Okay.

Yeah. I think you know if you're having a family reunion or something like that, nobody knows if it's extended. It's what we trying to prevent. Say if it was a music concert and so see we we don't we don't know what's going to be 10 years from now. We know what what what you going to do, but who takes it over after you? His special permit just runs on from now on. And so we're trying to look after the future as much as we are the neighbors now. And so it's it's basically where noise is involved. Well, it's, you know, music is not noise, but I hope you understand what I'm saying it. Uh,

yes. Yes, I absolutely understand. And, um, and you make a very good point that that's today and what our the current partners have in play. And, you know, uh, 50 years from now, my great-grandchildren may want to have a rock concert. you know, I understand the special use permit.

Um, I think that, you know, this is our neighborhood. Um, I would welcome the opportunity for you to hear from my cousin whose land abuts this property and, you know, I would be happy to compromise with the one day, maybe just Friday. Um, but you know, this is a business and there's an economic proposition here. So, you know, if it if uh you know, if somebody wants to have something until 12:00 um that is aligned with our vision and we can't we have to close at 10:00 and then they go to um someone's barnium and they get the revenue instead of a I mean, it's a business. We got to make money. So, you know, I'm willing to compromise. You know, I'm I'm asking that you perhaps hear from a true neighbor who lives there. And um I'm like I said willing to compromise on maybe just Friday.

Okay. Mr. Arnold. Uh, a quick question regarding uh if if if we issues the county issues a special use permit, whether it's 10, 11:00, 12:00, whatever it be, if she would want to request an additional hours at a later date. Is that just a new special use permit or bound by what we do now? It's my understanding it would be an amendment to the they would have to the special use permit application that's being considered today. It' be an amendment to that. Mr. Evans, is that your understanding as well?

That is my understanding. Yes, sir. Again, I would invite you to hear from a neighbor who, you know, his property abuts ours. So, um, if he's willing to speak State your name, sir.

Reggie Marta. Um, as uh Bethanne said, I I live there. My uh farm is adjacent to hers down to the creek. But the uh I don't think in my opinion 12:00 was uh unreasonable because it's already going on. We have individuals, a couple individuals there. they have parties any any time and most of the time um past 12:00 uh I live right right behind the church and then you know it's family all of us family we family and um we don't have any um to my knowledge any complaints about uh those individuals that are uh there right now well doing you know events fourth of July birthday parties they have four or five a year. They're there to at least 12 1:00. Uh every now and then, every now and then because of the multitude of people that be there, sometime the police will come and have to get them off the street uh the cars off the street and put them elsewhere, but other than that, uh there's uh never any problem there. So, I I don't see any reason why 12:00 should be an issue uh because it's going on anyway. So, that's all I have to say.

Thanks, sir. Mr. Chairman, if I may. Yes, Mr. Sh. I would recommend we split the baby and just do 11 o'clock both Friday and Saturday night. Uh I think that would align with most of the public events that take place in Danville and Pennsylvania County. I know I know we're in Pennsylvania County, but if you host an event in Danville, you have to be done lights off, music off by 11 o'clock on Friday or Saturday night. I don't see why that if you just gave that additional hour two days, Friday, Saturday, you kind of split the baby and hit a sweet spot in my opinion. Thank you, Mr. Shelton. Any other questions, comments?

Is there anyone else here that would like to speak to this case? Mr. Oaks. Mr. Gentlemen, in case S-26-1, I recommend that we give a special use permit with the uh conditions brought forth by staff with the change in time on Friday and Saturday nights to 11:00 11 p.m. Is that a problem? All right, we have we have a motion. Do we have a second? I second.

Thank you, Miss Me. Are there any other motions, questions, or comments?

Please cast your vote. Motion passes 7 to zero. Next case S-26-00002 is now open. Mr. Arm. Case S-26-00002. Kimell and Stephanie Thaxton and Cara Moses Lawrence have the third have petitioned for a special use permit on 1.01 total acres located on State Road 1279 Meadowwood Court in the Tontol action district to allow for a manufactured home staff summaries enclosed in the board packet. Mr. Chairman, Mr. and Mrs. Staxton are here to represent the petition.

All right. Is there anything you would like to add to what's been said? Okay. Any questions? All right. Discussions closed. Mr. Chairman, what's Oh, I didn't I didn't see you, ma'am. Oh, come forward. Give your name.

Sorry. I live right next door to the the lot. Oh gosh. Now I just lost my place. Anyway, um the only concern I have is in your special use section, it specifies and it's written single wide manufactured slash mobile home and I don't want a single wide on I mean it is all double wides in there and I want to make sure that something specifies that it has to be either a manufactured home or a double wide. That's my only concern about this this property here. So that's it. Thank you.

And you're putting a double wide. Okay. I think your your contract in your packet had a double wide listed, right? Is that correct, Mr. Arm? Let me look and see. Mr. Chairman,

I thought I saw that in the application. You're right. The residential contract that's

So the contract is to buy Mr. Chairman, I believe we'll need to use the mic and and follow the the public hearing procedure.

Good deal. I'm not seeing anything in the agenda packet that explicitly states it will there will be a double wide manufactured home. Uh so I would say as you know one option here could be a recommendation uh of a condition Mr. Evans, that would you could have a condition that would state that it would be a double wide manufactured home. That was the planning commission's pleasure.

Okay. Um, Mr. Oaks, is that And you did state it was going to be a double wide. Okay. So, just add that when you make the motion. I I I disagree with doing that. Okay. that that language is going to prohibit I don't I don't what is considered a double wide that that now you're getting into they these folks could violate that what what is legally a double wide I think it needs to be approved as written it's it's written well so that these folks will not uh violate it with some obscure interpretation of what is a double that's my opinion on the matter

and that's why we have an attorney on it boy come forward. While he's walking up, I don't I don't mean not to approve it. I I I would recommend us approve it as written. I would rephrase that. It's going to be either a double wide or a modular home. There's no single wide involved. Okay. Thank you.

I have a question and not to belabor the point. Um this isn't in my district so I'm not too super familiar with it but I have a concern um with the zoning that is going to I know it was special use but that particular zoning does it allow for single wide. That's correct. Okay. So, I'm opposed to any um language that could prohibit a single wife. We we we never know what economic situations may happen or even future. So, I would be averse to anything prohibiting a single wide. That's land rights to the individual,

right? So, right now it would need to be in the R1 zoning district. would need to be uh only allowed by right or basically stick built um single family dwellings. And so by special use permit, you can have a manufactured home, which a manufactured home uh and we can look up the exact verbiage in the zoning ordinance, but that can be of a single wide or a double wide variety or even a triple wide variety. It's my understanding the definition of a modular, as the applicant just said, those are actually considered to be stick built homes. They're just built offsite um and then located there. So, um but back to the original point here as far as single wide versus double wide, the current verbiage in the zoning ordinance does not both are considered fair game. Uh if a special use permit is approved by the board of zoning appeals. Yeah.

In R1 zoning district. Any other questions or comments?

Mr. Oaks, Mr. Chowman in case S-26-00002 I recommend we issue a special use permit for the placement of a manufactured home. Is there a second? I second.

Thank you, Mr. Shelton. Are there any other motions, comments, or questions? Seeing none, please cast your vote. motion passes 7 to zero. Next case, V-26-00001. Mr. Arnold, case V-26-00001. Brian and Robin Lobe have petitioned for a variance on State Road 703 Irish Road on a 3.2 acre piece of property located in the Ken's Gretina election district. The variance applies to section 35-74.2.D. quote, "No detached accessory building may be located in the front yard or a lot." And that pertains to residential districts only in section 34 35-74 uh of the Pittsi County zoning ordinance. The staff summaries enclosed in the board packet and Mr. Chairman Brian and Robin Loe are here to represent the petition. the loads. Anything you'd like to add to what was said?

No, sir. Is anyone signed up to speak on this case? No, sir. Okay. Um, any questions or comments? Floor is now open for a motion. Miss in case B- 26-001, excuse me. I make a recommendation to the board of supervisors that we honor this request. I have a first. Is there a second? I'll second it.

Mr. Oaks. Thank you. Any other motions, questions, or comments? Please cast your vote. Motion passes seven to zero. Old business. I don't have any. No, sir. Nor do I.

All right. Moving on to number 14. New business. I would remind my fellow commissioners about our meeting next Thursday evening. It is here in this chamber at 6 o'clock. I would encourage all of you to to to make every effort to be here. It's going to be an important meeting. Uh Mr. Arnold sent out a packet of information to read through. Um, and we'll keep us updated if anything changes. Uh, I also have uh because I was neglectful last year and was right at the deadline, but by the end of the month, we have our disclosure of real estate holdings due by the end of uh January. So, make sure you get that filed with Miss uh McCcluster. Uh, I've got a couple copies here if you need one. So, uh, again, uh, thank you for this evening and your vote of confidence in me. I'll work towards making this run smoother. Any other new business, Mr. Arnold?

No, sir. Anyone else have anything else? Mr. Chairman, I just like to welcome our new member, Mr. Barts. Sure enough. Yeah. Thank you, sir. Congrats. Anything else? If not, we stand adjourned at 9:04.