Village Council - Regular Meeting

Good afternoon, everybody. This is Tuesday, April 14th, 2026. It's 5.30 p.m. And this is the local planning agency meeting. I've called the meeting to order. We have a roll call of the members. These are sensitive.

You're getting a little bit of an echo on the new mics.

Yes, you are. How do you turn them off?

Member Furman? Here. Member Loprado?

Here.

I'm sorry, Member Greenberg? Here.

Yeah, here.

Member Meyer?

Here.

Chairperson Corradino?

I'm here. Quorum is present. All right, we'll get this one. Oh, okay. So do we need to... Nope, nope. Minutes of April 8th, 2025. It's been a while. Do we have those? And does anybody want...

They were included in the email. I did not print them. Okay.

Would anybody like to make a motion to comment on the minutes of April 8, 2020-2025?

Who moved? I'm sorry? Who moved?

Mr. Greenberg.

Okay.

I'll second. We have a motion to second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Anybody opposed? The minutes are Agenda and the order of business. We have a review and recommendation of four different things. I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Olmsted. Is that the appropriate person?

Yes, I'm going to read the ordinance titles for the record. This is for an ordinance of the Village of Pinecrest, Florida, adopting the Evaluation and Appraisal Report, EAR, based comprehensive development master plan amendments, including updates to the village's water supply facilities work plan, providing for inclusion in the comprehensive development master plan, providing for a transmittal, providing for conflicts, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. The second one is an ordinance of the Village of Pinecrest, Florida, amending the Village's Comprehensive Development Master Plan future land use map by approving a small-scale amendment expanding the Pinecrest Business Alternative District boundaries to include the properties located at 10420 Southwest 77th Avenue and 10500 Southwest 77th Court, providing for transmittal, providing for conflicts, providing for servability, providing for inclusion in the Comprehensive Development Master Plan, and providing for an effective date. The third one is an ordinance of the Village of Pinecrest, Florida, Comprehensively amending Chapter 30, the land development regulations of the Village Court of Ordinances, including Article 2, decision-making and administrative bodies, Article 3, development approval procedures, Article 4, zoning district regulations, Article 5, additional regulations, Article 6, environmental regulations, Article 7, signs, And Article 9, Rules of Construction and Definitions, providing for amendment and adoption, providing for inclusion in the Village of Pinecrest Court of Ordinances, providing for conflicts, providing for suburbability, and providing for ineffective data. And the last one is an ordinance of the Village of Pinecrest, Florida, amending the Village's... Official zoning map to extend the existing boundaries of the Pinecrest Business Alternative District to include properties located at 10420 Southwest 77th Avenue and 10500 Southwest 77th Court, providing for amendment and adoption, inclusion in the Code of Ordinances, conflict, severability, and ineffective dates.

Mr. Chair, as much as the Village Council sits as the local planning agency and we'll be hearing all of these items immediately following this local planning agency meeting in its regular meeting, it is within your discretion to simply take a motion to move all of these items forward to the regular meeting and adjourn the LPA. opening the floor for public hearing. But you do not have to have two presentations from staff.

Got it. I think it'd probably be more appropriate to have the presentation at the council meeting since people might be watching that more than they might be watching. It's not like the internet's not jam packed with people at this point in time. Because I got several emails.

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All right so with that I'll open the public hearing if anybody wants to comment on these changes. Seeing none we'll close the public hearing. Do we have a motion to refer this to the esteemed village council for their review? I'll second. We have a motion and second. All in favor? Aye. Anybody opposed? Okay, that's awesome. So with that, I think we're done, and we will adjourn this meeting, and we will reconvene with that same esteemed village council in 30 minutes.

Okay, that was simple.

Thank you. Thank you.

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So I'm, these things are picking up everything you said.

A goose concert or something. A what? A goose concert? It's a goose concert. Hell if I know, Joe. That's why I'm not there and I'm stuck here.

What do you think is the biggest agenda item for the crowd today?

Here we go. I just meant it as a general commentary.

Welcome, everybody. This is our regular meeting of Tuesday, April 14th, 2026. It's 6 p.m. Call the meeting to order. Can we have a roll call of the members, please?

Council Member Loprado. Here. Council Member Greenberg. Here. Council Member Meyer.

Here.

Vice Mayor Furman. Here. Mayor Cardino.

I'm here.

Mayor Macquarie. All right.

Let's do the Pledge of Allegiance. The flag is over here. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. All right, first on the list tonight, busy night, we have the Consent Agenda. There are seven tabs on the Consent Agenda. Does anybody want to pull anything from the Consent Agenda to review? Minutes, Mr. Mayor?

Do you want to pull the minutes? No, no, that's part of the Consent Agenda.

Come on, man, I have enough room to put this in right here.

I'd like to pull the minutes.

Yeah, pull all the minutes and we'll read them. I'd like to pull tab four, please. Pull tab four. Okay.

I'm up for tab five.

Tab five, okay. Anybody else?

I'm sorry, Joe. Mr. Mayor, tab six. Tab six, not five. Anybody want five?

Is anyone gonna pull a top five?

Yeah, I'll pull five.

All right, five.

So we have what?

We got four, five, and six.

At the risk of being that guy, I'm gonna pull three.

Top three?

Oh, and?

Okay, pull seven. Yeah, pull seven.

Seven has to be pulled, yeah.

Are you guys kidding?

No.

No.

So what's, I wanted to pull two. It sounds like nobody called that one.

Okay, so then all the consent agenda is now on the regular.

Except the minutes.

Except the minutes. Well, except TAP 7. No, that was pulled.

TAP 7 was also pulled?

Yeah, TAP 7 was pulled. Well, we don't know. All right, so we have a, does anybody want to speak on the minutes? Because that's the only thing left in the consent agenda. We'll have individual public comment for all of the other tabs. Seeing none, hopefully, we will close the public comment portion of the consent agenda and we'll ask for a motion on tab one. Do we have a second or is it going to fail?

Second.

Motion to second. All in favor? Aye. Anybody opposed? Okay, that'll be closed. Let's go to tab two.

That's a resolution of the Village of Pinecrest, Florida, authorizing the village manager to enter into a contract with Choice Engineering Consultants, Inc. for roadway design of Southwest 120th Street and Southwest 77th Avenue intersection, the True North Classical Academy, Betcher Rock Campus Project, providing for an effective date. That was deferred for March 10th, 2026. Thank you.

I pulled it because this was deferred from last month's meeting under the premise that the agenda packet included a redesign of the intersection that stems from the days of the True North hearing and the meetings. It is not a design that reflects, however, I think some of the best practices that we have discussed that we wanted to include in the design that protect the students as they cross the intersections, it's gonna be a wider intersection. It also does not consider the fact that we wanted to promote biking and walking to the true north and certainly to the schools in the area as a result of that. And so we decided to defer it to this month's meeting in the hopes that we could get more clarity on how those principles, how those practice and best standards, best practice standards will be applied to this design and that it won't necessarily that we're here approving to move forward with design that's in the packet.

Right, yes, the packet does not, we're awarding the contract to do the design, so the work and what is included in the packet are just backup information that they provided when they did their proposal, but that is not the actual design and the final product of what they're gonna produce. We are looking to doing improvements in that intersection from the discussions during True North, It involved adding a right turn lane on the northbound on 77th Avenue. We're looking to improve the pedestrian crossings and bicycle facilities throughout. We're also going to be looking at down the street in front of the high school and to north all the way to the parking lot that's on the south side of the school and how we can improve that whole area to be able to get the kids across that street from the parking lot into the high school safely, et cetera. So it'll be a longer, bigger project overall. Part of this is getting funded by what we received with the True North approval. And a good chunk of that is going to go towards the design. And then once we have a design, we'll have to bid that out. And then we would be constructing those improvements and using funding the balance from the True North money, as well as funding from transportation fund money.

OK, thank you. That's the clarity that I was seeking that we didn't get last month.

Anybody else want to comment on tab 2? OK, I'll open the public comments section for tab 2. Does anybody want to speak on tab 2?

Good evening. Elena Pasios, 7790 Southwest 120th Street. Just a quick question to clarify. Is there any place we can see how much of it is being paid by True North and how much is being paid by the transportation fund?

The amount that's being awarded right now is $306,000 or so. The True North allocation was, if about 400,000, so right now the full amount of design is being absorbed with the funding that has been given to the village by True North. We have to construct the actual facilities within five years. And at the time that we go, you know, once the design is done and we put it out to bid, then we'll know what the cost is. And at that point, we can allocate funding from the transportation fund.

We don't know a final cost yet.

No, not until there's design, all the design is completed.

But we'll get those numbers. And if you want, just email us and we'll be able to provide whatever.

Once the design is done, we'll have project estimates for the completion of everything.

Comments?

Please.

All right, anybody else want to comment on this one? Mr. Mayor, I do have one question. Yeah, let me close the public hearing. We'll close the public hearing, see if somebody has a comment and your question, sir.

To the village manager, so our public works director, does he work with these design people to bring in some of his thoughts? Because I know he's had a lot of thoughts about... The intersection.

Yes. Once this gets awarded, we have a pre-project meeting with the consultants, at which time they get all their instructions. The public works director is the person who takes the lead with that consultant. And then we have other consultants that work to support in-house staff. that we also run design work through, like the Dutch consultants take a look at stuff that would have to do with the pedestrian and bicycle network stuff. And we may have other experts that we use from outsourced consultants that dial in.

Any other questions? Seeing none, we have a motion.

I'll move.

We have a motion. We have a second.

Second.

All right. Motion to second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Resolution passed unanimously. Okay, number, tab three.

Tab three is a resolution of the Village of Pancras, Florida, authorizing the village manager to enter into a joint participation agreement with Miami-Dade County for repairs to Old Cutler Trail multi-use path within the village limits from Southwest 88th Street to Southwest 136th Street to enhance safety, continuity, and accessibility for pedestrians and bicyclists, further strengthening multimodal connectivity along the Old Cutler Trail, providing for an effective date.

I just pulled this because I simply wanted, this is an issue that's gotten a lot, I've gotten a lot of communications about over the last year. And I just, this is a big deal in a very good way. And I just wanted to note that and commend the manager and staff for getting this, moving this forward. The concept here is the county is gonna pay But we are accelerating the process, because if we just wait and let the county do all of this, we'll keep waiting. And this is a badly needed improvement of that shared use path covering between Kendall and the end there at 136th. It'll make it safer. It'll make it easier for all sorts of movement on there. And it'll happen in a much quicker time frame than it would have otherwise. So I think it's worth noting. This is a significant achievement, so I just wanted to flag that.

Anybody else? Okay, we'll open the public comment portion of the meeting for tab three. Anybody want to speak on that? Seeing none, we'll close the tab three. We have a motion.

I'll move.

I'll second. All right. Motion to second. All in favor? Aye. Anybody opposed? Anonymous. Number four.

Number four is a resolution of the Village of Pinecrest, Florida, revising certain fees assessed by the Parks and Recreation Department for the use of village facilities, providing for an effective date.

So I asked to pull this. This involves the rental rates for our new multipurpose room at Coral Pine Park. And we've discussed this in the past. The rate is going to go to $750 for three hours. And I was wondering if the council would be amenable to holding one night a month where we don't charge for not-for-profit organizations, Girl Scouts, homeowners associations, that type of thing, because it should be a community meeting space, right? And I don't object to us renting it to people for certain activities, but I'd like to see us reserve one or maybe two nights a month on less trafficked evenings where we can donate it to the community for that type of meeting.

I think it's a great idea. I mean, maybe there's a way to think of people like Girl Scouts or those things that just naturally discount or something like that, because they're different than if somebody was going to have a party. I would love that, too.

But at a minimum, if we could have one night a month where we make it available for free to the community for a not-for-profit use, that would be great.

I think it's a wonderful idea. I go further in terms of just clarification. Do we charge the same to residents and non-residents throughout this room? And it's available for anyone to rent, whether you're a Pinecrest resident or not?

Correct.

And we're not allowed to charge differently? We are not. We can charge different rates for the community center gym if you're a resident and a non-resident.

No, we cannot. No, we cannot.

I think there used to be different rates for residents and non-residents. Has that changed?

We are not allowed because the the monies that were used for acquisition of the pinecrest gardens complex which includes the land where the community center is built was built with Partially with funding from the safe neighborhood bond program and it was a condition of that that bond issuance that we not differentiate between resident and non-resident so all our parks are that were purchased or transferred over to us when we became incorporated have that caveat from the county, which is why we don't differentiate between resident and non-resident. I did want to mention, just for general knowledge of the council, that presently we have a 50% discount on nonprofit entities. We do partner with some nonprofit entities for programs, and when we partner with them, we host them for free, but it's usually a project that we're working on collaboratively with them. So my question would be if you want to have a one-day free for, you know, open to whatever. For example, we've done free for homeowners associations from the village, resident homeowners associations. We've comped them as opposed to comping the nonprofits. But do you want to do that for all our facilities or just that facility?

I was just speaking to this facility because this came to me. So I mean, I guess we could explore in strategic planning whether we want to expand that to other parks. But I was actually just making the motion with respect to Coral Pine Park.

So will we estimate it? how much more revenue we'll get from raising from 300 to 750? What impact does this have? Because what makes me uncomfortable about this is the residents have already contributed $6 million to the renovation of the park that's just about to be unveiled. And we're going to ask that the same residents that have contributed to the improvements to now pay more for renting the space going from 300 to 750. Unless this has a material impact on our finances, I don't really see the need to go up in the rental fee. And I would also support what Council Member Del Prado has suggested, that we also have a one day a month, that we make it available for free to an entity or, you know, it can be defined in terms of what sort of entity. But I just don't see why we should raise the fee. That's just gonna make it harder for some families to rent the room. For other families, maybe not as much. But the whole community has already paid for the renovation. Why do we need to charge more now for people to be able to use the room? That's kind of like where I'm struck on.

Well, I think that staff has probably implemented that because there have been budget discussions in which we have put heat on the parks and recs to close the gap between expenses and revenue. And so if we want to take our foot off the gas on that, then that's a conversation. But I think that we have put a little bit of pressure on them to close the gap between revenues and expenses.

This particular increase is being suggested because the caliber of that room has improved so much from what was there before. So it's more in line with other rental facilities that we also rent out at that rate. And it was just based on comparable rentals for that type of facility. And yes, it is something that is meant to increase revenues. I've just texted the Parks and Recreation director. He's saying the rental fee Currently is 500. Let me see what else he's saying. Just total rental, total revenue. He's listening in. Revenue for year. Year increased by what? And I will let you know what that answer to that is.

OK. I see. It's 300 for the. First three hours, and then there's $200 for the terrace. So that may be the $500.

They used to rent it separately. But typically, when people would rent the facility, they would rent the two together anyway. So now we're going to package that up. And I'm waiting for a response from him on how much new revenue we're anticipating that will generate for the year.

Do we want to defer this and maybe have, forgive me, I didn't mean to interrupt you. But do we want to defer this and maybe have Mr. Mattis come to the next hearing?

Yeah, he's driving right now, so he can't get back to us on the numbers. So if you want to defer.

We can always adjust it later. I'm good with it. My opinion is we're going to need it.

Madam Manager, what do we do for like the Rotary Club at Evelyn Greer or the Native Plant Society at the Gardens? Do you know what we charge organizations like that?

We typically charge 50% rental. The Rotary, I don't know, he's listening in, Rotary, and I apologize, he's on the road.

And this 750 seems to be like for a major function rental.

No, even when they have club use.

So a club would pay... $375 for a night to have a meeting?

They usually meet at Evelyn Greer.

Right.

Where do you pay? What amount?

I think it's a good idea to kick back to Rob to hear a little bit more about what they expect to use, how they expect to use that facility.

We can revisit the fees into budget discussion if you want during budget workshop. I could have the answers to all these questions and I guess he'll have to wait and not. make the extra money between now and budget.

Or we could discuss it next month. They pay zero.

Rotary pays zero. So we waived for Rotary because they have a monthly regular meeting at Evelyn Greer. So we waived the fees for Rotary the same. So perhaps, I mean, we don't have Kiwanis, but Rotarians, those types of regular type meaning clubs we could maybe deal with them separately and say these clubs we will comp if they have a one a month meeting or something like that.

So maybe this does merit a little more discussion. I will tell you that I called Palmetto Bay. They charge $150 and $450 for a three hour minimum. They have another one where they charge. South Miami allows a resident and a non-resident rate, and then a not-for-profit rate. I didn't mean to open up the whole discussion about the rate. If we want to talk about the rate, that's a different issue. What I wanted is a commitment from the village that we'll make the room available one night per month for not-for-profits free of charge.

To me, the question is also what we're doing, what we do at Greer, what we do at Sunnyland. Thank you. Sunnyland and the other. So because if we have different levels of options, this room, I haven't seen it. But if this room is state of the art, that may be the more expensive one. And maybe we can. My take is, I think, Council Member Meyer, I think everyone's making good points. I would be OK with this for now. And it could be something that we revisit entirely. I'd also be fine if we want to put it off a little bit. But I do like the idea, frankly, at all of them of having, these aren't in demand every single night. So having one night a month is fine. But I don't want to, I also, if we're going to consider it, I don't want to keep it unduly low in the meantime. So I personally would be okay raising it for now with the commitment that we're going to look at all of these fees and see what we can come up with.

Okay. So is there a motion?

A motion or? Yeah, sure. Are we moving to amend it to allow the one night?

So we're moving to allow the $750 for a three-hour rental and to implement one night per month in which it'll be available to the community free of charge for not-for-profit use.

Sounds like you just made the motion. All right. We have a motion.

Do we have a second? Do we have a second? All right. Greenberg seconded. Del Prado motion. All in favor?

Mayor, did you open up the public hearing?

Oh, I did not. Okay. We know what's going to happen, but either way, go ahead. Maybe we can change our minds. If anyone can change our minds. Somebody can change one mind.

Doug Kraft, 5945 Southwest 113th Street. I love the non-for-profit idea, but I think that everybody in this room could say that we did it for the Pinecrest Gardens, is that military veterans, active duty or veterans would get it for free. I would hope that that would be included. So maybe somebody wants to amend that.

For sure. I mean, I'm assuming that that would include organizations such as the Girl Scouts, the veterans.

Yeah, they're not for profit. But veterans, some veterans aren't in not for profit groups. But if they're a military veteran, active duty or veteran or retired, I would think, hope that we could give them that benefit. If we're giving it to non-for-profits, because I think our veterans are a little bit above non-for-profits. I agree. I don't think they make much of a profit.

Okay, do we have a motion? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm just so eager to get past this. Please, Harry, come on up.

Harry Spicer, 1001 Southwest 70th Avenue. First of all, I'm so glad that you're making it available to the neighborhood and to nonprofits. I'm a part of the neighborhood watch group and it's so important for us from time to time to be able to get together, to focus on our specific neighborhood. We have a great community right now, but to break it down even more into a specific neighborhood would be a wonderful thing. And I think that's a great motion, but I do want to add one more thing regarding the increase. To go from $300 for three hours to $750 is a shock to anybody. If you felt you were so out of line on the charges, you should have done it years ago, maybe a little bit here and a little bit there. I would suggest not making such a drastic change. You want to increase it a little bit. I think that's fine. You want to review it again next year? There are other communities that do charge less. Some charge the same. But gee whiz, how does it look when you go from $300 to $750? That's a big increase, and that's almost embarrassing for a community to do that to its own citizens. So I would ask you to hold the line a little bit on that. Please. Thank you.

Thank you, Harry. Anybody else? I'll close the public comment portion.

Mr. Mayor, so I'm not against this, but what I don't like is the way we're dealing with it. Staff came with this concept of the price pricing. I'd rather kick it back to staff and ask them to look into into the organizations and how they, maybe there's a different price structure. I'd like to see them coordinate with the other parks. I don't want to limit it to just one night if we have availability to do others. So I would just rather defer it, have them come back with something that includes what they're gonna do for non-profits, neighborhood groups, things like that, and see what they come up with.

When, and these are well taken, Points. When will the facility be usable, rentable? Do we know? I know we have a ribbon cutting soon.

When is the ribbon cutting? April 24th. So shortly thereafter it goes live and we can start renting it. We have a waiting list. There's people already renting the space, by the way.

And we meet May 4th. Is May 4th our next meeting? May 5th. May 5th.

if we're done with this one. I mean, look, I'm happy to, if the consensus is that we either want to start a lower number until then or kick it till May, kick it a few weeks to hear back from staff, I don't want this to be what I don't want. And the reason why I wanted to vote for it now is I don't want this to be, and I'm not saying this at all critically, I just don't want it to be that we're going to leave the status quo for too long, because I think it was part of the understanding that we would be raising. It is a much better facility. But if people want to wait a couple weeks to be more comfortable with it and think about whether there's an interim number, I honestly think we should vote.

It doesn't mean that it may not necessarily go in my way, but these kinds of things I think we should be able to make a decision on, unless we think it's part of a much larger problem that needs to be addressed. If it's just an isolated thing, We could just basically vote on it. I don't think it's going to solve the budget gap that we have in other public locations, which is, I think, to the comment that Council Member Del Prado said, I don't think this will have a material impact to budgets. But at the same time, it's a simple item. We can always amend it if we want to have carve-outs for other entities, etc. The vote may not go in the way I feel it should go, but it's OK.

If I can just clarify for the record, the current rental rate is the combined rate of the terrace and the room is $500. And it's going to be going up to $750, because now they've just combined those two things, because typically they were being rented together, not separately anyway. So I just wanted to clarify, it's a $250 increase. for three-hour use. So if you spread that out, obviously it's $75. All right.

Do we have a motion?

Should I repeat the motion? I would appreciate that. OK. That we will approve this subject to having one night a month available for free of charge to the community for not-for-profit use or veterans who want to come and use the room. And if the council is or wants to revisit it, certainly you can revisit it during the budget process. So that would be the motion. Do we have a second?

I'll second it.

We have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Four. Four to one. All right. Tap six.

Tap five. Tap six, which is item. Yes, tab five, a resolution of the Village of Pinecrest, Florida, awarding a bid to Waypoint Contracting, Inc. for the Aledo Mass Park construction project, providing for an effective deal. That was pulled by Greenberg.

Mr. Mayor, pink lemonade in the corner. Yes.

Only pink lemonade? Yes, only pink lemonade.

Mr. Mayor, if I may, on this resolution, we have a revised resolution that's on your desk that on the dais that talks about, clarifies that Presently, we would be authorizing the project in two phases, the first phase being what is currently in the fiscal year 25-26 budget, and we would have to come back to approve phase two in the future. We would need to make the decisions on how we would deal with the financing of the balance of this project in the next two months to be able to take advantage of the price guarantee of the low bidder. So between now and the June meeting, I'll be meeting with each council member individually and going over the nitty gritty of the construction plans and just walking you through the schedule of values and the potential solutions for the financing options for the balance of this budget.

OK, look, my thought on this, and I appreciate the clarification or the amendment from the manager, This is a tricky one, obviously. My view is that we should, as amended, I think it's, the amendment is significant because I think we cannot and should not bind ourselves or bind the village to anything beyond what's already been budgeted on this. That doesn't mean we're not gonna go above that going forward. It doesn't mean we're gonna abandon the park project. But what it means is that we're gonna, until we have clarity on the budget going forward, next year's budget and beyond, we have to be very careful about what we commit to. The council, the village has committed to this project. In prior years it was voted on. That's not changing, that shouldn't change, but we do have to be careful. And of course, that's the premise behind this. We just have to make sure that we stay within our means in doing this. And so to me, what needs to happen is we can approve up to the amount that's been budgeted. And the plans, as they're done, need to take into account the fact that we're not left with the equivalent of a bridge to nowhere where we start something and then it's not finished and the park looks unfinished. This can be done wisely in a way that it starts, we get it going, it's a usable, beautiful park, and then we figure out, whether it's through bonding or what have you, how to pay for the rest. I don't think that means we can kick the can down the road for too long, because as the manager's memo has made clear, prices are going to keep going up. And most likely, at least that's the trend. And we have to be careful of that. So I think we've got to strike a balance between staying within our means now, but making sure we're wise about getting this project finished. And I'm eager to hear everyone else's thoughts, but that's sort of the mindset that I think we need to approach this with, or at least that I'm approaching this with.

So I want to be clear. The revised resolution is approving only the balance remaining in the adopted budget, the 2026 adopted budget, correct? This is not an approval of future phases. This is approving what is in the adopted budget. If additional work spending is proposed later, it's going to come back through the budget process. It'll be fully voted through public hearings and all of that, correct?

It will. If we want to take advantage of the bid prices, which will only be guaranteed for 90 days, we're already 60 days in, we would have to make the decisions on what to do with this contract by the June meeting, essentially. So we get all the figures from a budgeting perspective from the state June 1st. So we're going to have a very short window for me to analyze. Obviously, we're already working on budget for next year. We have to solve for the financing issues that would be necessary to complete the project as is. If we cannot find a solution to that, then we would have to revisit the entire project and look for value engineering options. All that has to happen within the next two months. Now, we can award the contract 100% and do change orders retrospectively that could give us credit and work backwards, but when we had conversations ahead of this meeting with different council members, some of you felt uncomfortable doing it that way, which is what we had originally intended, was coming in, awarding the entire thing, and then working backwards where if we had to downsize the project or look at, and we ran into issues with financing, that we would, do change orders in the reverse where they would be giving us credit. This way it divides the project into what we currently have available in the bond. We know based on just the cost of doing these constructions that we will at a minimum spend what's in the bond that we already have issued and that we have currently in the budget. So the way that it's written, It phases the project up and it protects us so that if in the future something happens with the financing and we decide not to go forward, we're protected from a contractual perspective with the vendor. We won't get ourselves into trouble. And Mitch may want to add to that, but that's basically how it's been drafted at this point.

Well said.

Thank you.

I like the original way of doing it myself. I think that's probably going to save us more money in the long run and change it as we go. We don't have to spend it. That's my opinion. All right, anybody else? All right, well, seeing nobody, we'll open the public comment portion. Mr. Pena. Welcome back. It's been a while. Blake is still there, I'm assuming.

Thank you. Bob Pena of 11800 Southwest 69th Court, Pinecrest. This below bids over $13 million. And I assume that when they did it, they have something that shows the construction board with a progress, payments, stages, estimated time of completion. Is that available?

Yes.

Great. Has it been made available to the public?

It's part of the bid.

I mean, if they agreed to that in their bid, are they agreeing to that?

They are.

They're going to follow it. So I think that would be helpful to see that. And the other thing, is there an elevation of the intended construction, what it's going to look like when it's finished?

Yes.

Is that available also? Yes, online.

You can access it on our website.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Thank you.

Anyone else?

Question, will this park have... Your name and address, please, for the record.

Oh, I'm sorry. Alina Pasios, 7790 Southwest 120th Street.

Will this park have rentable space, or is it just a park?

It will have multi-purpose rooms that would be available for rental, but it's not meant to be rented out the same way. It's not going to compete, for example, with Pinecrest Gardens. It will not. It's not going to be a wedding venue or anything like that. No.

But we will have revenue producing?

Yes, absolutely. Same way that it would function, the building, if it's built out the way the concepts were done, it's meant to basically be a... like another community center, like we're calling it an adulting center. We would be moving a lot of the programs that are more adult centric to that facility. Um, because the community center sometimes competes with the kids and the afterschool kind of programs. So they're going to be moving more of that into that. All those programs are revenue generating because we offer those programs at a price and the village takes a 30% cut. as revenue for the village. So the revenues cover for the cost of the programs at the park. And then revenue, obviously, from rentals as well.

So there will be parking available? Yes. Oh, OK. I was under the understanding there was no parking.

No, there will be parking on property. Yes. It'll be similar feel to Coral Pine Park without the tennis courts. It's meant to be a passive park with a building that has indoor activities for programs. Thank you for clarifying. You're welcome.

Thank you.

Seeing none, we'll close the public comment.

Anybody want to make a motion?

I'll move.

Anybody want to second it? Just to be clear, the motion is to adopt the item as amended.

With the new resolution.

Correct. I move to adopt it as amended. Motion to second. All in favor? Aye. Anybody opposed? Unanimously.

That's for a resolution of the Village of Pinecrest, Florida, awarding a bid to SC contractor LLC for the Kendall Drive race crosswalks project, providing for an effective date.

While I am much in favor of these race crosswalks and giving them to see how well they work and to finish off the path on Kendall Drive, I have concerns about their construction and the way they're going to look I don't know if it really gives a pinecrest aesthetic. I see one, two, three, four different materials being used for the construction. And having seen how some of the traffic circles have fallen apart over time, I do have concerns about how well these things are going to hold up. And I think the worst thing to do is go into something that maybe doesn't look good and maybe doesn't hold up well. So I would like... to at least defer this and see if we can get some sort of better drawings or images of what this is supposed to look like and have some direct discussions with our public works director about materials to see how he feels that things are going to hold up. Anybody else?

I don't mind deferring it for a month if it gives us a chance to take a look at renderings or just have a more realistic perception on what they will be, what they will look like, and whether they will sustain traffic in time. Now, what I will say, though, is I don't think they'll behave the same way that a traffic circle behaves, because there's a lot more traffic on a traffic circle, typically, than there will be on something like this. But I do think it's a fair ask to at least take a look at one of the renderings and see what it would look like. Today, you can do renderings really easily. And that may help just provide more clarity in regards to what you're seeking. So I'm OK with deferring for a month. Does it affect the timeline as far as what needs to?

No, it should be OK. I just have to get somebody to do rendering so we could have a good look what I think the concern. And it is kind of weird because we had talked about it a little bit is we have the pavers that come up before you have the asphalt path that connects with the shared use path or the linear park. The issue is that to allow for the big landscape trucks and whatnot on the radius, they had designed a different surface that looks more like cobblestones. And I wasn't even happy with that so much, but that's what the suggestion was. The work around that was that we would put it into concrete that was at least the same color as the pavers we were looking at, so it would look a little more uniformed. But it definitely departs from what we would normally see out there. So I think doing an illustration might help frame it better, what we should anticipate.

And these are fairly sizable features. Kind of what it would look like. Very prominent.

Yeah. That's fine. We'll try to get that done by next year.

Does it affect, though, the allocation of the bond funds?

No, because with the ,, which is a big chunk, we should be fine as far as the. OK. Yeah.

All right. We can defer for a month.

All right. Anybody want to speak on this one?

Alternatively, I'm sorry, but alternatively, we can award it. And I just want to issue a notice to proceed until I bring you the illustrations. That would be the alternative if you want to, for the bond purposes, because now you've got me thinking. Let me verify that before we make a vote.

You still need to open up the public hearing. All right.

We're going to open up the public hearing and see if anybody wants to speak to that one. Going once while she's verifying. Going twice. Nobody wants it. All right. Close the public hearing.

Look, I'd filibuster and fire some time, but I have nothing to say on this one. I got nothing.

Can you pass this one and move on to the next issue, and then come back to this one so I can get an answer on the bond?

Does it matter to the motioner? Does not matter to me. Does it change your opinion, or would you just like to get rid of this one?

I don't know. I don't know how any changes might affect the cost. So I'm a little concerned about awarding it. Why don't you just make your motion? OK. So I move that we defer this for a month. All right. And that we receive better renderings of what it's going to look like prior to that.

We have a second? Second. Motion and second. All in favor?

Aye. She's still checking because we might have some implications over allocations of our money. We have some deadlines for that. That's, do you still need more time?

Let me, it's fine, I'll get an answer before the end of the night, so don't worry, we can always.

Somebody want to make a, what do you mean, table it?

Can we come back to it this evening? I recommend that the motion be to lay the item on the table so that you can pull it back up on tonight's agenda. If not, and you want to take it up at the next meeting, I recommend that you invite a motion to defer the item to the next.

Mr. Fairman, your choice.

What are my choices again? Lay it on the table.

Lay it on the table and take it up later tonight or defer it to the next meeting. I see no harm in laying it on the table.

Okay. Motion. Do we have a second to lay it on the table? I'll second. All right. All in favor of tabling? Aye. All right. Anonymous to table. So we come back to tab seven.

Top seven is a resolution of the Village of Pinecrest, Florida, establishing the Youth Advisory Council, providing for membership appointments, officers' meetings, absences, and duties, providing for an effective date.

I just pulled this. I have one. thing that I think we may want to talk about, which is in Section 2, which is the maximum membership of the Youth Advisory Council. Vice Mayor Fehrman, first of all, thank you for leading the YAC this year. I know, by the way, we have Mayor Lerner and former Councilmember Abbott here who have led the YAC in the past. And I just wanted to get everybody's thoughts or the thinking behind putting the number at 20. It's currently at 28. And from 2020 through 2025, it was 24 members. I certainly understand, based on everything I've learned, the impetus behind reducing it. I think that's great. I guess my only question is, do we want to give ourselves or the selection committee a little bit of flexibility and say, for example, up to 22 or 24, even if the target is on 20, just because if you have, I know this year there's a bunch of graduating seniors, but if in the future you have a bunch of returning people and we don't want to necessarily lock out future members. So I don't... you know, I don't think it's a huge, you know, I just would be open to, I want to see if there's any interest in maybe giving some flexibility. I don't mind making that adjustment. The target was 18.

We just put it to 20 just to give us a little bit of latitude should there be a lot of, but there was, you know, and this is a discussion on only the three board members who are here to talk tonight, but the group as a whole, we had these discussions and The 28 was kind of set upon us for a lot of different reasons. And it became a little bit, not everybody got to know each other very well. And so it wasn't a good number. And so this is more of a, let's set it for, let's see how 18 looks, run through a year of it, see how it does. And then, so it's a little bit of a learning curve. But I have no problem putting the up to 24 I still think our target in talking to Nicole and Priscilla, it's still 18, but I don't mind having some flexibility. But the 28 was a lot.

Sure. Yeah, I mean, I would go for 24 if you think it's fine. I don't want to be meddling in how you're doing it.

I'll split it with you. Go 22.

That's fine with me.

I think that's not a bad number either if we do go there. It's not like 22 and a half.

It's going to be 100.

So with that in mind, I mean, I would propose amending it to make it up to 22.

So just for your information, the group also liked the idea of you're not an automatic in just because you're a current member. So everybody will have to apply again. And they also requested that we do interviews. And Priscilla and Nicole and Rob have all volunteered to interview them. the applicants as well. So I think this is a, which I think is a great move.

All right. Mr. Mayor? Yes. I have an answer on the crosswalks. It can be postponed. So if you all want to take a vote on that.

Okay, let's dispense with this one first. Okay, any more comments on that? Go ahead. Oh, will you open the public comment portion? Yes, ma'am. Welcome back, Katie Abbott.

Hi, everyone. Katie Abbott, 6030 Southwest 116th Street. Former council member, former YAC co-coordinator. I always thought 24 was a really nice number, and I like your idea of making it flexible. If we can change the wording, if you consider up to 24, that way you have flexibility. In addition, the other change about... when the elections are held. So as you all know, the elections are for the chair, the vice chair, and the secretary. That was actually a change that was brought upon by the students themselves. It used to be at the beginning of the year. And they felt that the end of the year was better because there are new members who don't know anything about the candidates. It was the end of the year. It was a nice way to close out the year. It was a nice way to reflect upon those members who are running for council. So that was a little history about that, but I think the wording up to 24 is an excellent idea. Thanks.

Thank you. But it's up to 22, right? Right. Anybody else? All right. We'll close the public hearing.

Public comment portion.

We have a motion.

Okay. Can I amend to include up to 24? I think that Councilmember Abbott spent many, many years running the act, and perhaps Mayor Lerner has a thought on it. But I would move to amend to make it up to 24. It doesn't require you.

I have no problem with that. All right. You accept it? We have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. All right. Motion to second. All in favor? Aye. Anybody opposed? That one's unanimous. Back to tab six. I think your motion, Mr. Fairman.

How do I take it off the table? Motion to take it from the table. I move to take it from the table.

I'm going to second that. Okay. All in favor of taking it off the table?

Aye. That's unanimous. Now it's back before you for further motions. Thank you.

So I move to defer until the next meeting and the next meeting, prior to the next meeting, that we have some renderings of exactly what things will look like and have had a chance to discuss it with our public works director.

All right. That's a motion. Do we have a second? I'll second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Motion passes unanimously. The resolution passes. OK, perfect. OK, that was the easy part of the meeting. Now we'll go to the fun part of the meeting, and then we'll do the rest of the 27 tabs of the difficult part. All right, so we have our agenda and order of business. I'd like to take a moment of personal privilege. This is an important night for us tonight. be leaving us. And I just wanted to say a few words. Normally, she's decided to run for mayor. And as such, she is going to step down as council member. This will be the last meeting probably until November. So I just want to thank you for your service. Normally, when one of us would depart the council, it's a very sad time. But not tonight. I think it's the beginning of a very happy time and a great journey that you're going to take. There's a couple of gifts that we wanted to bestow on you, not the least of which I have a proclamation for you. And I want to read this because I think it's pretty important. This proclamation says, OK. All right. OK, perfect. This says that the Channon-Doprada has a long history of volunteerism in the community, including serving as the past president and treasurer of the Palmetto High School PTSA, co-chair of the Palmetto Elementary Science Task Force, and the board member of the Palmetto Elementary Act Committee. It's also important to know that because of all that involvement, Shannon ran in 2020 for seat three, and she won that election with more than 60% of the votes, following her service on the zoning board and demonstrating a strong commitment to local governments. As a result of that service, she was re-elected to council seat three in 2024 with 66% of the votes. Shannon had been a driving force behind. She also played an integral leadership role in the Pinecrest zoning referendum, leading the opposition to the sexual outcome of the village with 67% of the votes. So the vote totals keep going up each time you run for office. She's been a driving force behind creative initiatives, including the peacock program, the composting program, consistently demonstrated, as we've seen over the last six years, reasonable, thoughtful, rational leadership, remaining constantly accessible to her constituents, providing the highest quality of service. She's been instrumental in preserving Pinecrest's character while enhancing the community. So now, therefore, I, Joseph M. Cordino, as mayor of Pinecrest, on behalf of the citizens and the village council, present hereby proclaim that this day every year, June 2nd, which is your birthday, every year will be known as Shannon Del Prado Day.

I know the year, but I'm not going to tell you the year.

So with that, I want to present you this proclamation. You're welcome. We also have parting gifts. You can take these or what's behind door number three in the back. This is something that you can put under the proclamation.

Thank you.

I don't know what this is, but this is a paperwork that you can have also. You have that left over in the gift closet.

I just want to say that it has been a life privilege for me to sit here. I have made so many wonderful friends. I'm actually going to cry. No, I'm not going to cry. Don't cry. I'm crying in baseball. And I thank you tremendously, and all of our friends here in the audience, our staff. You leave very big shoes to Phil Mayer, and I hope to have the privilege to succeed you. They're like clown shoes sometimes. well i'm going to wear them but but i want to thank you so i'm humbled i i'm totally caught off guard i did not expect this thank you very much i actually thought about going and finding cute gifts for everybody on the dais and the day got away from me and i didn't get to that but i just i want to say thank you so much to the friends and the community who supported me um to my fellow council members it's been such a privilege i know we haven't always agreed but you know what we've always treated each other with respect we've come out stronger so thank you so much and our wonderful wonderful amazing staff our village attorney our police everybody in the village of pinecrest thank you so much thank you thank you thank you would you like to get a picture then you are about to cry i am

Skip had a concert tonight.

He said, do you want me to come to the concert? And I said, no.

Okay, resident concerns, school zone lights, council member Greenberg. What did I do? You are up next.

Is Miss Vicky Siegel here? She had confirmed.

She did confirm?

Yeah, Miss Siegel? Yes. Oh, she is here, okay.

Yeah, this was, I wasn't really, she just reached out to me to speak, so.

Welcome.

Hi, how are you?

Doing wonderful. What's ailing you?

Okay, Vicky Siegel. 7th Street. First, I wanted to know if I could drop off just some documents to each one of the council members.

Absolutely. I believe that's permissible.

Thank you.

Thank you.

about the school safety zone flashers malfunctioning in Pinecrest. It's only a $100 fine. No points will be assessed for this notice of violation, nor will it affect your vehicle insurance rates. If, however, you request a hearing and the violation is upheld, you will be responsible for the $100 fine and additional court costs not to exceed $250. Thank you. This was stated on the notice of violation and again at the beginning of my hearing. It's an amount few regard worth fighting, especially when it would take into account someone has to be away from work. Ultimately, the majority take it on the chin and just pay it. Regarding my January 6th ticket, I spoke with a Pinecrest school zone officer and mentioned the schools that school safety zone flashers were not flashing and i assumed that the school was still on winter break he said that even if the flashers were not flashing i should have gone on the school's website to know the dates of the school's winter break therefore i was to assume the school space safety zone flashers were malfunctioning then read at least five signs with conflicting statements and then do a Google search to find out when winter break, when the Gulliver School had winter break, all while driving over a curving canal bridge. The Pinecrest School Zone officer suggested I get the names of 15 people who felt school zone flashers should be flashing when school speed zone limits were in effect. I got 32 signatures within a week. Everyone I spoke with had received a school zone camera ticket or had a family member or a friend that had been ticketed due to school safety zone flashers not flashing when school speed zone limits were in effect. In every case, the individuals had not willfully broken the law. The Pinecrest school zone officer suggested I call the county and report the school safety zone flashers were not working. on Wednesday afternoon when I passed. So I phoned the county on February 10th. The Pinecrest police officer should have made this call, not me. After all, the Pinecrest School Zone Camera Safety Program aim, and I quote, aim is to create a safer environment for everyone. There is no rational reason in this technological age for school safety zone flashers to continuously malfunction. The school safety speed zone flasher mentioned above was observed not flashing on Wednesday afternoons in January and February when school speed zone limits were in effect. The school speed zone camera safety program on Pinecrest website states that school zones are camera enforced in the village of Pinecrest. And it lists the locations and times flashers operate. The Pinecrest website does not state that the flashers can and do malfunction and that the lower speed limit applies regardless of whether the lights are flashing. Regarding liability. If a student was hit by a car and seriously hurt or killed when the flashing lights were not operating, wouldn't the village be partially to blame? If the goal of the school zone camera safety program was to enhance the safety of our students, staff, and community members, why wouldn't Pinecrest make sure the school safety zone flashers were operating when the students, staff, and community members needed protection from fast-moving vehicles. School safety zone flashers effectively inform drivers that a school speed zone limit is in effect. In fiscal year 2025, the books show a new revenue source of $840,000 from school speed zone camera tickets. In May of 2020-25, signs stating speed limit 15 when flashing were replaced with signs stating speed limit 15. So Pinecrest's revenue windfall in school speed zone camera ticket revenue could have been over only five months, not the full 12 months. $840,000 in camera tickets in school speed zone camera tickets really equates to over 10,000 school speed zone camera tickets being issued in possibly five months. You should know that there is no line item in your budget for school speed zone ticket revenues in fiscal year 2024. I understand that Pinecrest is operating under the existing law that states the lower speed limit applies regardless of whether the lights are flashing. And I understand that there is currently a Florida state bill being considered that would limit speed cameras to operating only if any nearby yellow light beacons are flashing. In other words, establishing a law that many drivers think is currently in place. I'm here to call out the fact that student safety is compromised when school safety zone flashers are not working. I'm suggesting Pinecrest support the Florida State bill requiring speed cameras to operate only if any nearby yellow light beacons are flashing. I'm also suggesting Pine Press not issue any speed zone camera tickets until all school safety zone flashers are working as stated on the Pine Press website. Realistically, fixing malfunctioning flashers should take less than a week. In doing so, Pine Press will be at the forefront of a needed change that will create a safer environment for school children. Thank you for letting me speak to you today.

Thank you very much. We appreciate it. Chief, do you know if the lights are flat? Are they malfunctioning, or we don't flash them?

Good evening, everyone. So first, I want to clarify that, like I'm sorry, I don't remember your name, stated state statute does state that the flashers, regardless of they're on or off, the school zones are based on the times. I also wanna state that not every school, not only in Pinecrest, but all over the county has flashers. Flashers are considered enhancements. When the flashers are not working, it is because of a malfunction, and we are, constantly connecting with the county every time we're made aware of this to try to get it resolved. I believe if the school officer did state for this, lady to call it would be in addition to us already calling because sometimes dealing with the county is difficult and the more pressure they get not only from us but from also residents and citizens can maybe speed the process along okay thank you i appreciate that um i what i would suggest i get a lot of complaints i'm sure everybody else does the the major complaints are about the the one up there on on 88th street

I think it's 67th Avenue. I think we just need to look into it and see whatever changes we can make to the program that make sense, that abide by the law, and whichever. Anybody else have any comments on this? We don't do public comment on this, right, Mitch?

Right, this is just, there isn't a related item later, one of the first reading on an ordinance that will make some clarifications to our current speed enforcement ordinance. So at that time, there will be public comment. OK, so this isn't an action item.

So which debate, we'll take no action tonight. And the next one, I believe it's 9. that will take your comment.

So Vicki, thank you very much. This is actually fairly a topic that had been coming up with the council talking to our public works director, partly because I've gotten one of those tickets. And I think about how did that happen? How did I not notice this? And there's two-fold reasons. Number one, we should put the ticket people out of business. And we should do whatever we can to prevent an accident and keep our residents from getting these tickets. And I think that one of the problems is a lot of school zones, none of them are exactly the same. And of course, the times are all different. So we've all seen, I've talked to, Director Mendez about this. We've all seen the signs with the flashing crosswalk symbol that flashes, or the flashing stop sign. I think Pinecrest, and I think he's looking into this, could put up a standard signage for us in the village that has the timer that could be that initial reminder as we're driving that it's the school zone. Sometimes you're in those hours and there's not anybody around, And unless you look at your watch, you really don't. And then look at the sign at the same time, you don't know. So thank you for bringing it up because it's something that I think we need to do for a lot of reasons. And you did a good job of bringing them all up. So thank you.

Yeah, I just wanted to thank you, Ms. Siegel, for coming in. We had emailed about it. And I thank the chief for the explanation of it. And it's something we need to do our part. Obviously, the schools have to do their part in keeping these things working. But I think it's very important that we're aware of this. it's important that we just do everything we can to make sure they're working. And we only know about these issues when residents bring them up. So we appreciate both your raising it and coming in tonight and providing such information. So thank you.

I just want to add one thing. And this made a difference to me. The chief has indicated to me that we have a very low recidivism rate. So once our residents realize they're speeding in the zone, it does change behavior. And so to that extent, it makes our community safer. But certainly, we can. stand to improve and work together.

I have to admit that any time I go by a school zone, I don't care if it's during the speech or not.

Yeah, yeah. 15 miles an hour or whatever. Oh, totally.

I mentioned conflicting signs. One of the conflicting signs is 67, which you mentioned, and 88. The first sign says the school zone is from 805 to 405. And then the next sign breaks it down into individual days. What I do now is irrespective of when I go by a school, I'm going 15 miles an hour, even if it's at night. I'm sorry.

Wise choice.

I don't think anyone could argue that's a necessarily bad outcome, because then you're making the community safer. But I did want to highlight and really just call out how respectful you were bringing this up to us. You took the time to write a memo. You read calmly, and you were respectful the whole time. And that makes it just a lot easier for us to listen and to be able to help in finding the solutions, some of which you're proposing. So thank you for doing that.

All right, let's go to Youth Advisory Council Vice Mayor Fairman.

Okay, so we have the Youth Advisory Council board with us tonight that would like to introduce themselves and say a few words about the year and the future of YACC. So we have with us Juliana Kay, who is the chair, Sophie Perales, who is the vice chair, and Miles Messinger, who is the secretary treasurer.

All right, welcome, guys. How was the year?

Good evening, council members. My name is Juliana Kay, and I am a junior at Ransom Everglades High School. I have been a member of the Youth Advisory Council since eighth grade, serving as vice chair last year and chair this year. I have witnessed the growth and progress YACC has made, as well as the incredible students who join us. It has truly been a privilege to serve as chair this year. I understand that every year YACC comes before the council, but I believe we have reached a point where it is important to re-emphasize the backbone of YACC and why it matters so deeply to the Pinecrest community. A few days before one of our meetings, the YACC board met with council member Fairman and came up with the idea of having members share their visions for the future of YACC. At the following meeting, I can honestly say the outcome was incredible. Every member had something meaningful to contribute and no one was afraid to speak their mind. I believe that moment captured the true definition of YAC and why it is so important. YAC gives young, curious minds a platform to share their ideas and make an impact to those around them. It was truly inspiring to watch students from eighth grade through senior year of high school discuss what they want to see for the students of Pinecrest. Through these conversations, we reflected on both the strengths and challenges of the past year and began thinking of solutions for the year ahead. It is so important for teenagers to have a platform where they feel confident speaking, sharing their perspectives, and discussing ideas that directly affect their community. Too often, young people have strong ideas but do not always have the opportunity to voice them in a space where they know they will be heard and respected. When teenagers are given that confidence and support, they are not only able to speak up, but they are also empowered to turn those ideas into real action and meaningful change. That is exactly what YAC does for the teenagers of Pinecrest. It gives them a voice, a sense of purpose, and the ability to help shape the future of their community. Serving as chair this year has been such an honor, as it has allowed me to build lasting relationships and watch other students grow into inspiring individuals. So before I invite my fellow members to speak, I would like to thank the council on behalf of the Youth Advisory Council for consistently supporting us, promoting our work, and always showing appreciation for our organization.

Thank you.

Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, and council members. My name is Sophie Perales, and I am a junior at Palmetto, serving as the vice chair of YAC this year. I've been on YAC now for two years, and I can confidently say that it has been an amazing experience and has helped me so much in growing, not only with public speaking, but with finding my voice, like Juliana said. I'm going to be talking about what we've actually done this year to let everyone feel what we feel as board members. So to begin, one of YAC's main goals is connecting the youth and the community. Our council has enforced this by remaining very active in supporting Pancras, especially Parks and Rec, through many events and volunteering at these events. We volunteer at a wide range, including the Daddy Daughter Dance, the Veterans Day Celebration, Track or Treat, the Zombie Run, and many more. These experiences allowed us to give back while also becoming more engaged in Pinecrest community and increasing awareness of what we do as YACC. We also had the opportunity to better understand how our village operates behind the scenes. Through visits to the public works department and a tour of the police department, which the YACC members always enjoy, we learned more about the organization, planning, and safety efforts that keep Pinecrest running smoothly. We got to see a glimpse at the behind the scenes of Pinecrest and our members love it every year. In addition to enhance our understanding of the organization, we introduced a new project system this year. We divided our YACC members into groups of four, and we assigned them each a project. Amongst those projects included the property tax and management, pickleball, native plants, and we had many more, like recycling videos, and amongst those, other topics that would come up with Pinecrest. This project, we introduced it, and we had really high hopes for it. And it did do what it intended in increasing awareness of what happens in Pinecrest and the actual works of it and engaging students to make a difference and a direct impact. It wasn't as successful as we wanted it to, so we are going to bring it back next year. However, we are considering increasing the number of students in each group and reducing the amount of projects that we assign so that we can make them become more efficient and actually successful and having a greater impact in what the students do and really making everyone feel engaged in what they're doing. Beyond our work, we also wanted to get to know each other as a blended group of ages and schools. We did this with one amazing event that we introduced this year as an idea that Ken had. And this was a kickball event. And we held it at the beginning of the year. And it was a great success. We all loved it. And it was a super fun event. And I think that was a great start to our year. So overall, this year in YACC has been about learning more about policy and Franklin's government, while also incorporating elements of fun. We're proud of what we've accomplished and excited to continue growing as a group and strengthening YACC. Thank you, and I want to introduce Miles to discuss the future of YACC.

Good evening, Mayor Cordino, Vice Mayor Fehrman, and council members. My name is Miles Messenger. I'm a senior at Miami Palmetto Senior High School, and this is my third year on YACC, and I proudly serve as the secretary of the Youth Advisory Council. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak tonight. I'm really excited to share some of the wonderful plans that we have for the future of YACC. Over the past year, we've spent a lot of time reflecting, not just on what we've done, but on how we can improve as a group. We've looked at what worked well, where we've had challenges, and how we can make these experiences more meaningful for our members, while also increasing our impact in the community. As a result, we're moving forward with several changes that we believe will strengthen both the structure and purpose of our council. One of the biggest challenges we faced this year was how to approach projects. In the past, members have worked in smaller groups or, excuse me, This year, members have worked in smaller groups on separate initiatives. While that gave people some sorts of independence, we found that it sometimes have limited collaboration and didn't always lead to the strongest overall outcome. Moving forward, the entire council will probably work together on one large central project. Within that project, members will take on different roles such as marketing, design, outreach, and planning. This allows everyone to contribute in a way that will fit their strengths while still being part of a bigger impact. We believe that this approach will not only lead to a more meaningful final outcome, but also create a stronger sense of teamwork and accountability within the Youth Advisory Council. Another important focus for us is to make sure that members truly understand how councils operate. While we meet regularly, we realize that we haven't always taken the time to explicitly learn the structure behind the meetings. Next year, we plan to incorporate lessons on how formal councils function, such as motions, voting procedures, and of course, Robert's rule of order. These are skills that go beyond YAC. They help build confidence in public speaking, improve organization, and give students a clearer understanding of how decisions are actually made. Our goal is to make sure members don't just participate in our meetings, but fully understand the process behind them. We're also really excited to bring back our youth series. This was something that had a strong impact in the past, and we want to expand it even further. The purpose of these series is to connect young people in our community with real world topics and experiences. For instance, we hope to bring in formal council members to speak about college and life after high school, as well as working with organizations like the Pinecrest Police Department to talk about the dangers of distracted driving. More than anything, the Youth Series is about creating opportunities for students to learn, ask questions, and engage with topics that directly affect their lives. All of these changes are centered around one main idea, which is making the Youth Advisory Council more collaborative, more intentional, and more connected to the village of Pinecrest. We want members to feel like they are part of something meaningful, and we want our work to reflect that. To close, being part of the Youth Advisory Council has genuinely changed the way that I see local government. Before joining, it was really easy sometimes to overlook what happens at the local level. But through this experience, I've come to appreciate how much effort, discussion, and care which goes into decisions that directly impact our community. It's shown me that local governance isn't something distant, and it's something that's accessible right here in our hands. It's also important and shaped by the people involved in it. Thank you again for your time and your continued support of the Youth Advisory Council.

Thank you very much. Excellent work, you all. That was wonderful. Mr. Pearman, any final statements?

I'm glad we had a full house because it was evident why these three were elected by their peers to lead the group. And it wasn't always easy. It was kind of a transitional year. Communication was very difficult. We learned a lot of lessons about communication. But what a great group of young people. And I'm so excited about their view on the future. Good work. Thank you.

Anybody else?

All right, thank you, Vice Mayor Fairman, for doing that. Thank you, Vice Mayor.

Thank you all. Okay, we only have 11 ordinances tonight, so this ought to go pretty quick. All right, fire away, tab eight.

Tab eight, for first reading on ordinance of the Village of Pinecrest, Florida, creating section 36-5, establishing regulations for the operation of micromobility devices within the village, providing for severability, providing for conflicts, providing for codification, and providing for an effective date.

All right, Ms. Manager, what do you want to do here?

So just to refresh everybody's memory on this topic, we had discussions during strategic planning workshop about the possibility of coming in with new regulations to regulate class two e-bikes. We've seen an uptick in their use and some concerns have routed themselves through emails to council about reckless behavior of folks on these types of micromobility devices. We've defined micromobility to not just be about e-bikes, but anything that's powered by electricity. You have the little scooters and that sort of thing also that falls into the definition of micromobility. And so we had presented a framework to council that everyone was pretty much in consensus with. We drafted with the city attorneys. They did most of the drafting of the ordinance and then sat with myself and the chief to go over it in great detail to just make sure that all the things we were recommending in this ordinance were enforceable and something that we could actually administer with our current human resources. and we feel confident that everything that's in here is achievable. And so we had no concerns from staff with respect to any of the drafted language that's before you.

All right. Anybody got any questions?

Does the Chief have anything to add on this?

Chief, you got anything?

I'll put you on the spot. I WENT OVER THE ORDINANCE AS PROPOSED, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO START. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

EVERYTHING THAT'S DRAFTED IS ALSO, BY THE WAY, IN LINE WITH WHAT THE STATE HAS RECENTLY ADOPTED, SO THERE ARE NO CONFLICTS IN THIS PROPOSED LAW.

I ACTUALLY CALLED THE CHIEF AND ASKED WHAT HE THOUGHT ABOUT THE ORDINANCE AND SEEING IF HE APPRECIATES IT AS OUR CHIEF SAFETY OFFICER.

Yeah, I would just say, and again, also, thank you, Chief, for opining on this. I think it's a very important first step. It is truly one of the most frequent questions that we get. And I know a number of people in response to the survey that just went out in the village talked about concern about this. And while, as the Chief has explained, a lot of the concerns are things on the road and things that we can't really regulate. This is an issue on the sidewalks, and I think we are absolutely doing the right thing. I view this as just a start. Let's see how it goes. I know there's also the education component of this. I think it's ambitious. I think it's going to be challenging to enforce having people take courses and deciding who's underage and who lives in Pinecrest and who doesn't. Let's see how it goes. I don't view this by any means as the final version of what we're going to do. I view this as a start and an important step in the right direction. So thank you.

All right. Anybody? I'll have something to add.

Just to add. I appreciate the work from the attorneys, the chief, obviously the manager. I think this initial proposal, this proposal to me represents an ideal balance of... between public safety and also the protection of the independence of children who have seen their independence be taken away bit by bit, year by year. And the fact that there are now some of them adopting the use of some of these bikes and generating the right level of concerns amongst adults, et cetera, does not necessarily mean that all of them use them in ways that are irresponsible. So I'm glad that we've reached out a model here that will help us encourage them to always stay on the right side of things when they're using Class 2 e-bikes, especially. It is not on this It's an ordinance, right? It's not on this ordinance. But for the future, I would also encourage us to think beyond micro mobility devices and rethink our policy when it comes to golf carts. Right now, we don't allow them in the village at all. And I'd like for us to consider evaluating the possibility of changing that policy. It's certainly not for their use on sidewalks or sure paths. But frankly, I'd rather see an electric golf cart on our roads than a 6,000 pound heavy duty pickup truck. I think the latter represents a much greater risk to public safety and to others than a small family riding on a golf cart and respecting the rules as they do that. If we were to allow them, I think state statutes would require us to expect that the driver is 18 years of age. or has a valid driver license, and so on and so forth. So there are caveats. There are ways to ensure that the people using them are adults or behave like adults. And I would encourage us to have that conversation in the near future. But it's not within the scope of this ordinance. forward with protections of kids' independence, as well as the safety of the people who are using our sidewalks.

I have a question for the attorney on that. We effectively allow golf carts if they're low-speed vehicles, right? I mean, it's a safe golf cart. Is that true?

I don't believe that we do. The chief is more involved in the enforcement of that.

So a golf cart and a low-speed vehicle are technically two different things. You can have a golf cart converted to a low-speed vehicle if you put certain safety items on it and get it registered through DHSMV. So if it is a low-speed vehicle per statute, it is allowed on the roads, and that's state law.

OK. And so my comments on that, I think we addressed this years and years and years ago. I don't know if we should let golf carts on the road without seatbelts, without blinkers, without those types of things. I mean, that would make them dangerous. So, I mean, a low-speed vehicle is a golf cart with all those safety things on it. We got confused on that a while back. I just wanted to make that statement. Either way, we'll open the public comment section of this. If anybody wants to comment on tab 8, more than welcome to. Seeing none, we'll close it. We have a motion.

I'll move.

Second, anybody? Second. Motion is second. Voice vote for the ordinance.

Yes, Council Member Del Prado? Yes. Council Member Greenberg? Yes. Council Member Meyer?

Yes.

Vice Mayor Fuhrman?

Yes.

Mayor Cordino? Yes. Motion is approved. Second reading will be on May 5th, 2026.

All right, tab nine. Oh, that's gonna be a terrible move.

Okay, tab nine is an ordinance of the Village of Pinecrest, Florida, amending section 36-4 of the Village Code of Ordinances to clarify and confirm the authorization to place, install, and operate speed detection systems on roadways maintained at school zones, traffic enforcement procedures when speed detection systems are utilized to enforce school zone speed limit violations, and hearing procedures relating to such school zone speed limit violations, providing for implementation, providing for severability, providing for conflicts, providing for codification, and providing for an effective date.

All right, who belongs to this? I'm going to start this, Mr. Chair. It was brought to our attention that there was a portion of our speed zones that required clarification because the way that the study that justified the camera enforcement was written. And so the purpose of this ordinance is to correct that or clarify it so that we have a cleaner ordinance. In particular, it's specifically clarifying any confusion regarding the school zone roadway boundaries for the joint school zone around Palmetto Elementary and Palmetto Middle. In the original traffic study, Redspeed did collect traffic data for all four of the roadways that comprise the joint school zone, which are Southwest 73rd Avenue, Southwest 74th Avenue, Chapman Field Drive, and Southwest 128th Street. However, the traffic study that was included in the original ordinance made it appear that the school zone roadways for Palmetto Elementary were limited to Chapman Field Drive and 73rd Avenue and that the school zone roadways for Palmetto Middle were limited to 74th Avenue and Southwest 128th Street. The ordinance makes clear that all four of these roadways form a joint school zone and are active during all statutorily authorized enforcement hours for both schools. So we're also clearly taking the opportunity to more clearly identify some of the other school zone roadway boundaries throughout the village. We've worked with the administration and the police department as well as Red Speed to clarify this, and one of the people that was responsible for bringing it to our attention is here in the audience, and I think he had asked to speak earlier, so I assume he's going to speak. So we appreciate that, and this will clarify those issues that were brought to our attention.

Thank you. Any questions from the council?

Oh, and Roger Poe, he drafted this and has been working on all of the school speed zone items throughout the state authorization is here and available virtually.

Okay.

Good to hear you, Roger.

All right, let's go open the public comment portion. Would you be ready? Just give me your name and address first and then you go.

during Bay Drive. In regards to the flashers, the way the statute reads is that if you have signs, you don't necessarily have to have the flashers. But your ordinance 36.4, if you read it from original one back in 1993, the city required flashers the entire time. Any time, if you look at the time limits for 15 miles per hour, And a lot of times, they tell you when you go to this hearing, don't even mention the flashes because that's not a defense. The city, and this was a good thing for the city because you get people mad when the flashes are not on. The city required the flashes to be on as part of this. So it's really a defense. If you get a ticket, the flashes aren't working, you should be able to raise that. Thank you. But I don't have that information with me today. I had sent... the board of the council made emails regarding issues here. They were looking to amend, supposedly amend this ordinance from September of 2023. The ordinance that you had in 2023 was, it couldn't be any clearer. It says, and it lists each one of the seven different school zones, And Palmetto Elementary was one. Palmetto Middle School was one. It specifically said the boundaries of each school zone. And they're totally different, and they don't overlap. So there was no confusion. But what they did do after this, when they came in with the speed detection, they expanded the time that they could give speeding violations. I had received a student evaluation last November. I was going to send in a check. But when I started looking at it, I'm a retired lawyer that's practiced 54 years. And when I looked at it, I said, you know, something's not right with this. And I started digging into it. And the more I dig into it, and I found out that they were using for Palmetto Elementary the times for Palmetto Middle, which means that early in the morning times from Palm Meadow Elementary and vice versa. And when I started figuring this out, I went and did a schedule. I just took November as an example. And in November, I looked at all the speeding violations that were issued. All the ones in red were issued when the extra time, because they used the wrong school zone. So of this, You're talking about, you're not talking about a few dollars. This is a major, major issue because you've got thousands of people that receive violations and paid for those violations. And based upon the ordinance, which said, specifically said where the school zones were, and they did not apply the times for each individual school which they were required to do. So these were all issued in ballot. I've been working on this for two months. I thought this was my volunteer project. Just came up because I see someone wrong trying to get it corrected. And I spoke to the city attorney. I've been working on this for two months. I thought, well, they'll just correct it. I'm not looking to burn the farm down from before. Just going forward, get it straight. A week and a half ago, we agreed that the city would dismiss all of the pending violations that were unpaid from October of last year. But going forward, they would enforce the school zones for each school and do it the way they're supposed to do it. And if anyone's had their ticket prices suspended because of an invalid violation, the city would cooperate to help them resolve that. As far as all the fines that have been paid that should not have been paid, we agreed that the city would just, the council would discuss that and decide what they do and leave it to your discretion. And that was the end of it. As I had already been working this so long, I had worked up a complaint for a declaratory and an injunction review. I was ready to file it. Asked me to do it. But to my dismay, a week later, they said, we can't agree to any of that. We can't agree that we're going to follow the law. We can't agree to dismiss invalid tickets. And we can't agree to anything except to turn on the flashes. So now, this ordinance they're presenting now is a knee-jerk reaction to my complaint to begin with. And when I say it's a knee-jerk reaction, because now you're taking you're increasing their school zone speed limit over 300% than what it was. Because before, according to your ordinance, it was only on 73rd Avenue and 124th Street. That was it. Now it's a whole area. So the email I sent, I said, this amendment is not proper at this time because you don't have a proper study. The study that you're relying on was a study prepared by Red Speed that is not a traffic engineer. They have nothing to do with it. They're a vendor. And if you look at the Department of Transportation requirements, this ordinance violates every single one of them, four school zones. And at the very beginning, when we're talking about something against school zones, if they're approved, at least properly. And then along came the speed When you have a speed detection system under Statute 316-0776, you have to, you can install it, but it has to be permitted by the Department of Transportation in accordance with placement, installation, and specifications developed by the department. So the statute that allows this says you have to have it permitted by the Department of Transportation. Department of Transportation specifically prohibits, they require engineering study. They require a school zone established. They require school zones are determined based on an engineering study of a specific site. At a minimum, an engineering study should include, and it lists a number of different factors that are supposed to be included in it. And it's just for a, things it says in there is on the department's transportation is for the posted speeds of 35 miles per hour which is 124th street the school zone limit of 20 miles per hour shall be used we're using 15 in fact you're doing that in all the different school zones of 35 and they're they're using 15. okay all right thank you i

Are we putting – we're not installing any new traffic control devices, right? We're just putting the ordinance so that the speed zones are where the specific – the existing traffic control devices are? Am I correct?

This ordinance that you're considering tonight simply updates the traffic study that was supplied to us by the vendor. and more specifically identifies the zones. The zones for Palmetto Middle and Palmetto Elementary are overlapping zones and constitute one school zone, all the streets for both of them.

But they exist now.

They exist now. And the cameras are there. And the cameras have been supplied by the vendor. And the vendor had an obligation to us to do that in accordance with the Department of Transportation requirements. If there is some defect with that that's identified and if the speaker were correct about that, then it would be up to vendor to correct that and to defend

I'm thinking that the vendor put cameras in an existing school zone.

In existing school zones and further supported them with studies that were required under the statute in order to enforce the school zones through cameras. There's certainly no issue at all with live enforcement of our current school zones. If we had no cameras, all the school zones would still be in effect.

at all of the times that were previous and the traffic device and the and the and the devices the traffic control devices that were placed there they're not village of pinecrest traffic control devices right they're they're permitted by fdot they exist now and they're school board traffic devices right this we don't we're not in the school business no we do we have a vendor that the the

the zones are established by county law.

What I'm saying is that the flashing of beacons, the signage, the location of the school zone has nothing to do with Pinecrest. It exists already. It was put there when the schools were established, or it may have been changed over time. It was permitted by FDOT. The speed limit sign is permitted by FDOT and established by the county. They are Miami-Dade County rules, not Village of Pinecrest. We don't set necessarily school zone speed limits. So if the school zone speed limit is 15, not 20, that's Miami-Dade County school board problem, not a Village of Pinecrest problem. We simply authorize the camera to go up.

Yes, that's the impact of this.

All right, thank you. Can I say one more thing? Yes, but.

The way the statute reads, though, is when you install a speed detection device, you've got to go back to the Department of Transportation and get it approved. I would give you $100 for every speeding ticket issued before September 2023 for exceeding the 15 mile an hour limit where they are now giving tickets. They didn't give them. It was never applied. It's never been. There's no ticket ever. If you go back, I'd ask for public records. They will not have one single ticket in the history of that school where they would give you a ticket for mine was 9.24 in the morning. At 9.24 in the morning, you stand out in front of the school, there is nobody. Parents, there's no school, there's no teachers, no students.

Understood. Is 924 in the morning, is that in the school zone time?

Speaker's ticket was dismissed apparently, but it is within, yes, technically he was invited.

It's not within Pompano Elementary. It's not within theirs. Theirs ends at 905. And it's interesting that it ends at 905, which was there with the test lab. I'm looking at my speed. At 9.04, Tesla says it's 15. At 9.05 or 9.06, it's 35. So even Tesla knows the speed limit was 35, but all these people and the tickets you're getting here, with 10% of the time, you're getting 71% of the violations you're issuing right now pertain to just 10% of the time. And it's all because they've never used that speed limit sign for Palmetto Middle before the speed detection. They never used that for the middle school, ever. And I know no one has ever given a ticket for a violation of 15 miles per hour at 4 o'clock in the afternoon from elementary school. They've been gone for hours. But yet, these tickets are being issued right now. And the statute requires them. If you're going to have a speed detection system, it's pretty clear. You've got to go back and be permitted by the Department of Transportation. Matt? Thank you. This is new.

Is everything permitted by the Department of Transportation?

Our understanding from the vendor is that it is.

Thank you. Any other comments, questions? All right, no, we did that already in rebuttal. Does anybody else from the public want to speak on this?

Are you relying on the vendor to give you the information?

No, I'm relying on the orders. Does anybody else want to speak on this? Please, Mayor. Welcome back. Good to see you.

Cindy Lerner, 5901 Moss Ranch Road. You've got parents... and students who are relying on the regulation to assure safe passage, whether they're walking their children across street or the crosswalk is allowing them to go across street. And the hours are different for start time for Palmetto Elementary and start time for Palmetto Middle. I'm very surprised to hear that reliance would be placed on a vendor who's making money on ticketing for the study to expand the ability to ticket people beyond the start time at the elementary school and at the middle school. Just because they are adjacent doesn't mean people taking their children to the elementary school have anything to do with people taking their children to the middle school and vice versa. I just think it's a big mistake for the council to rely on information from a vendor who's making money, and the council, the village is making money as well. But who's losing out are the parents of the students at each school that are being unjustifiably ticketed. when they know better because they know when school starts and when it's supposed to, the times are supposed to start and stop. So I would just ask that you do a different traffic study and not rely on studies by a vendor who's making money

while you're making money at the same time thank you i appreciate that i guess my question is we're not changing the start and stops times of the uh of the school zones are we we're no those exist those exist and they've always existed the way they exist permitted by requested i guess by miami-dade county schools and permitted by dot and all others so we're simply i i'm trying we're just clarifying that the whole area is an overlapping district that is enforced during the entire period okay so help help me think so if the sign says that the that the school zone and again it's not a new sign if the school zone um the school time ends at 10 We're not giving we're not changing that that time and we're not giving tickets outside of that time are correct.

We're not changing.

Okay The vendor hasn't suggested to change the time the vendors

The traffic study, which was, yes, supplied by the vendor pursuant to the agreement with the vendor. But again, all traffic studies are done by vendors because we don't do traffic studies ourselves. So we're always paying someone for a traffic study. Who sets the time and the boundaries? The county.

The county does, period.

Based on?

Based on their own criteria, correct?

Based on their own criteria. The statute requires us, if we want to enforce that with camera enforcement, to, on top of that, have traffic studies that demonstrate that it's appropriate.

So if we have slow speed in front of Palmetto Elementary for an extra two hours that we that some would say is unnecessary because the kids are already gone, we have nothing to do with that. We have to enforce it, but we don't get to adjust or change it.

That is correct. It is up to us, however, as to when to operate the camera enforcement.

And we operate the camera enforcement when the school zone for the entirety of the time that this sign sets.

That is the intention.

OK. What do you think? Well, that gets a little bit tricky, because if we decided, OK, we can control our cameras, we'll cut them off at what we think is the appropriate time. What if there is an incident that falls within the time, and we're not enforcing, and therefore we're re-encouraging people to speed at an hour that's posted not to speed?

Look, we're enforcing it for the entire time that the school board said you can't speed. You can't go over 15 miles an hour. That's what it sounds like. We're not changing the time. We're just enforcing the entire time because that's the most fair thing to do, for the village to come in and enforce part of the time. That's not a good thing, right? We should enforce the entire time, or what?

Right, either have the cameras for the full time or don't have them, and just have our police officers there. Right.

Can I address that? Because that's totally wrong. I mean, it's wrong.

That's wrong? It's really not wrong. And also, no, we've done the public comment. So this is first reading.

If you wanted to ask for Red Speed to appear at second reading, you know, to other questions.

All right, is there anybody else that wants to give a public comment on this topic? All right, seeing none, we'll close the public hearing. Why don't we do this? Why don't we go through this and do what we're going to do tonight? And then maybe if you want to chat in between readings, get together to get a better understanding of maybe what the issue is. So this... doesn't look necessarily wrong to me. It doesn't look like necessary. We're enforcing when the signs say enforce. No new signs, no new times, no analysis of speed limits or any of that. This was simply placement of cameras. Okay, so we'll go over that, and you can help me understand when we get to second reading, and we can ask all the questions, because we shouldn't be debating this in a working meeting like this. But we'll get to the answer in between first and second reading. That way, when we get here again, there's a lot more clarity on all of this, and we can see our way through it a little bit better. How do we do that? Yeah, just send me an email. We'll get together. You okay with that? Yeah, I'm okay with that.

I mean, I think there are questions. Look, there are questions. We've had them in two separate settings tonight about the cameras, about the enforcement. I think on the whole, the program is a good and important one. I think it enhances safety, including some of our most vulnerable residents around the schools. That doesn't mean it's perfect. It doesn't mean it shouldn't be tweaked. I'm okay on the understanding that what's at issue in this program And this ordinance is limited what it's actually doing. I'm comfortable advancing this to second reading. As I've said in other settings, advancing to second reading doesn't mean it's passing. It doesn't mean I'm voting the same way then. But I'm comfortable that I think we, I did like, I think it was Mr. Berman's suggestion to have them here, have the experts here next time, and to engage in conversations with the community between now and then so that we can make the most informed decision possible. But I think the responsible thing for right now would be to move it forward.

With that understanding. In the meantime, by the way, the period of time that the speaker identified, it will not be enforced during that period of time, the camera enforcement. And the tickets that were issued during that time block for that particular location are, I believe, that the plan is to not collect those, to avoid those. Just for that location, though? Yes. But why? Because that particular time block wasn't called out sufficiently in the traffic study, which created the need for the updated traffic study.

Okay. I'm just going to need to understand that a little bit. But they didn't recommend times. They just recommend here's where you should put your camera.

They did study all the streets, but it appeared from the way that it was presented to us that that particular time block wasn't identified.

Through the chair and and Mitch, just just to give a little bit of. Of clarity to that.

Yeah, absolutely.

So, good evening mayor and members of the council. It's a pleasure to see you wish I was in person, but virtually will suffice. Of course. Just to clarify, the traffic study that the ordinance was based on, the original version, it identified two streets for Palmetto Elementary and Palmetto Middle. The reality is that the joint school zone encompasses all four streets that bound the joint school zone. Because of that, the two streets where you know, there appeared to not have been the traffic study results showing that that's the specific area. So for Palmetto Elementary, it would be the two streets that weren't associated with it in the traffic study incorrectly. And then for Palmetto Middle, the opposite. It's not an enforcement time issue. The enforcement times have been basically the same for a long, long, long time, regardless of the speed detection system program.

Thank you very much. Okay. We have a motion. I move. We have a second. I'll second. The motion is second. Ms. Clark?

Did we close the public hearing, Mayor?

Yes, I did that already.

Okay. Councilmember Del Prado?

Yes.

Councilmember Greenberg?

Yes.

Councilmember Meyer?

Yes.

Vice Mayor Furman?

Yes.

Mayor Cardino? Yes. Motion is approved. Second reading will be on May 5th, 2026.

Excellent. Let's get together and we'll go over this and make sure everything works out the right way. Okay, tab 10.

Tab 10, it's an ordinance of the Village of Pancras, Florida, adopting the Evaluation and Appraisal Report, EAR-based Comprehensive Development Master Plan amendments, including updates to the village's water supply facilities work plan, providing for inclusion in the Comprehensive Development Master Plan, providing for a transmittal, providing for conflicts, providing for stability, and providing for an effective date.

Mr. Olmsted, if I'm not wrong, this would be your last meeting. You're going to go out with a flourish of comp plan amendments. That's correct. There's no better way to go out as a planning director than amending the comp plan. So congratulations. By the way, you've done a great job.

Thank you. Appreciate it.

Thank you. Let's do it. I want you to read it verbatim, the entire comp plan, but with no notes. All right, how do you want to do this? If you want to just give a quick update, Mitch, do we do each one of these individually, vote them all at once, or vote them all?

Well, I think you can have the presentation on all of them, and then you'll take a vote on each one. Do you want the clerk to read the titles of all of them?

Yes, she should do those, and then Mr. Olmsted will give his presentation. Then we'll debate, have public hearing, and vote on them individually. So that will be tab 10? Oh, okay. I'm sorry. We're doing tab 10.

That's what I'm talking about. Tab 10 is the 300-page one.

Let's just do tab 10. It's next, right? That's what we're doing.

I think they have a presentation for us.

This is different than the code changes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a... Yeah, Jerry's going to do it. Let's take a two-minute break before you get started. Ms. Kirk will prepare. We'll read the thing, and then we'll get going on those things. It's 7.58. We'll start at the comp plan, the EAR, as many comp plans and the other things, the future venues maps and the comp plan. There's a lot of comp plans. There's a lot of stuff. They're tangentially dealing with the comp plan. Right. I don't want to confuse everybody. And this is our first look at it, too. We're on tab 10. Really quickly though I wanted to Welcome, Troop 457. Guys, thank you for being here. You got to see government from both sides. What happens when you have a really crowded meeting? You get to watch it out in the hall. We should probably have it through your council chambers. Welcome. We're going to make you stand because you're young and vibrant people. So we're not. So we get to sit. You get to stand. But it would be good for you. You'll thank us someday for all this.

Mr. Mayor, I don't know that they're going to stay much longer. We just wanted to acknowledge them having come in to learn how local government works and wish them good luck on their scouting stuff.

Good luck on your scouting stuff. This is how local government works. I think it's worked pretty well. No fisticuffs have broken out, and we've been relatively calm.

Thank you very much.

I'm not going to do that. Thank you. MR. Thank you all for being here.

All right, Mr. Olmsted. Mr. Clerk, you're going to read the titles. And Mr. Olmsted is going to give a presentation. Mr. Framren is going to hold the gavel for a moment.

This is for a tap turn.

I did read that one already, Mayor.

You did? I didn't hear it. I can read it again.

It's an ordinance of the Village of Pinecrest, Florida, adopting the Evaluation and Appraisal Report, the EAR-based Comprehensive Development Master Plan Amendments, including updates to the Village's Water Supply Facilities Work Plan, providing for inclusion in the Comprehensive Development Master Plan, providing for a transmittal, providing for conflicts, providing for solubility, and an effective date.

Mr. Olmstead, please take away. This is a 10, every 10 year event, correct?

Every seven years.

Oh, every seven years.

So thank you very much. I'm Steve Olmstead, Planning Director for the Village of Pinecrest. And what you have before you this evening is an ordinance for your consideration at first reading that would amend and update the Village's Comprehensive Development Master Plan. The original Master Plan was prepared by Solon and Associates and the Corradino Group. in 1999 and continues to serve the village well and is the basis for the entire comprehensive development master plan. Florida statutes require all communities and municipalities and counties in the state of Florida to complete a determination of need every seven years. So the last determination of need was prepared in 2018 and it was determined at that time that no amendments to the comp plan were required. So seven years later in 2025, 2025, last year, the village council adopted a determination of need as required by Florida statutes and determined that amendments to the comp plan are recommended and needed to comply with Florida statutes, including updated planning timeframes, 10 and 20 year timeframes, updated socioeconomic of obsolete goals, objectives, and policies, and the inclusion of new goals, objectives, and policies to address the Village Council's goals, particularly those of the strategic plan. The plan was last updated, you may remember, in 2016, and it was amended also in 2022 to include recommendations of the Pinecrest Parkway US-1 Vision Plan. But this is a statutory required amendment that is based on the determination of need that was adopted by the Village Council last year. Plans are required to be updated within one year of the determination of need. So the date for transmittal of these comprehensive plan amendments is April 21st of this year. And it will be reviewed and considered as part of these as part of the state coordinated review process. So once the proposed amendments are transmitted to the state of Florida, they'll give us notice of acceptance within five days. And then we're also required to notify all reviewing agencies, which is Miami-Dade County, the South Florida Water Management District, Department of Transportation District, And they have 30 days then to provide comments back to the state. And then the state will issue us a letter of objections, recommendations, and comments, or an ORC report. And from that point in time, we have, they'll do that within 60 days of receipt. And then we have 180 days to approve the comp plan amendments, make final revisions and approve the comp plan within six months or 180 days of receiving that report. So that's the timeframe. There are no substantive changes in the text necessarily. They're primarily updates to the socioeconomic data, background data and analysis to reflect the 10 and 20 year plan periods. There's some reorganization of the elements and chapters of the plan, deletion of obsolete goals, objectives, policies, et cetera. Melissa Henke, Matt Henke, and Kaylee Saver are three planners who are with us this evening. The village has hired MHCP CoLab, their consulting firm, to coordinate this update process. And so they have met with the village manager and staff senior staff they've met with the village council members there they've prepared a survey that was distributed to all pinecrest residents and they have the results of the survey that they'll discuss with you this evening and i want to thank them for the work that they've done it's been not a compressed time frame but a somewhat tight time frame and they've i think done an outstanding job so the education element i spoke with former council member katie abbott and she wants to make sure that ongoing communication continues to occur between the school district and village of pinecrest so we'll recommend a minor amendment to one of the are included in the capital improvements element, but there are some areas of the plan in the reorganization that might be – we would recommend be reinstated to emphasize the need for ongoing concurrency requirements. proposed amendment to the village's future land use map of the comprehensive plan. And that'll be considered as a separate item, a small scale amendment, it's called, because it's less than 10 acres an area. But you need to be aware of that, obviously. We're recommending that the Pinecrest Business Alternative District be extended to the south, the district that's adjacent to Southwest 104th Street on the west side of 77th Avenue, east of US 1. recommending that two properties, 10420 Southwest 77th Avenue and 10500 Southwest 77th Court, they're both zoned RU2 duplex. One is a former dental lab, the other's an existing medical office. They're both located west of Kendall United Methodist Church, and we're recommending extension of that Pinecrest Business Alternative District to include those two properties. They're formerly used for, and currently, used for commercial and office purposes, except for the former dental lab. I believe it's unoccupied currently. We've received correspondence. One letter from Felipe Marsilio. He's concerned, and I've given you a copy of the correspondence, just wants to make sure that any future development that occurs in the Pinecrest Business Alternative District is compatible with existing of Conference and Development Master Plan. Also heard from Mr. Perry Spicer. I had a conversation with him on the telephone and I'm pleased to report that he's in support of all of these proposed amendments. Other amendments beyond the goals, objectives, and policies in the future land use map, there are amendments to the water supply, the 10-year water supply facilities work plan. And we'll get to all this in time, but Miami-Dade County obviously provides water to the village of Pinecrest, but we're required to maintain and update what they call the 10-year water supply facilities work plan. It includes population projections so that they can forecast the demand for water. And it's required to be updated within 18 months of approval of the regional water supply plan. And so South Florida Water Management District updated the Lower East Coast water supply plan in April 2026. And I'm sorry, in 2025 2025. And so the state has determined that we should amend the water supply facilities work plan and the comprehensive development plan at the same time and will transmit those both at the same time. In terms of the water supply facilities work plan, gallons per capita per day has decreased a little bit. Water usage from 94.03 million gallons per day to, I mean, per capita per day to 89.9. comprehensive plan and to the 10-year water supply facilities work plan. And we'll discuss the small-scale amendment to the future land use map as a separate ordinance. So unless you have any questions for me right now, I know MHCP CoLab has a presentation that reviews all the proposed changes to that. All right.

Well, we're working to drag her here for nothing. So Ms. Hagee, would you... How long have you been working for the village at this point?

On this project?

No, in total.

So I actually worked with Yossi on the strategic plan in 2012, maybe? No, because it was when my second daughter was a baby. That's how I measure all my time. So it was 2009. 2009 was the strategic plan. Then we worked on the Pinecrest Parkway vision plan update, which was 2023. That wasn't that long ago. So you've been here a while.

You've done a great job.

Thank you. Thank you. We've enjoyed it. We have a put together presentation. And a lot of what Steve covered is in the presentation. So in the interest of time, we'll go through this quickly. And I know it's a lot of information. We'll try to answer all of your questions. But I just want to start by saying This is an opportunity for you to give us all of your input. So I know we've met with each of you. We've had community input with the survey. We've looked at previous studies that were done and previous input. But this is really an opportunity for us to take all of your comments, you've had a chance to review it, and address them and adjust the comprehensive plan as the first reading. It then goes to, as Steve said, it then goes to a safer transmittal. So everything you tell us tonight, we'll be able to adjust and revise in time for the transmittal April 21st. Okay. Like I said, I'm gonna go through this pretty quickly, but the project purpose, so the comprehensive plan is really your vision for your community, how you wanna grow. It's required by the state, so the Florida statute is 163.3177, and a lot of the changes in this particular version of your comprehensive plan, the comprehensive plan update, reflect some of the new statutes. It also reflects some of the population projections. Go to the next slide. What's important to state is that this is a document that you use when you're reviewing any kind of issue, any kind of policy, any kind of project that comes your way. Your comprehensive plan provides the framework for approving or denying projects. So it's really important because it guides your village, your growth, your character. And the last plan is up in 2016. What's changed is that it used to be you had a five year and a 10 year time horizon. Now it's changed to 10 and 20, meaning that All of the growth and all of the changes based on the population projections, those were developed by the county when they did the water supply plan. So now you have a 10 year projection and 20. So you'll see in the subsequent slides that those are the numbers that we're using. I could the next slide. Um, also something that was really important in developing the plan was what you did previous to this with your strategic plan, which was your vision statement and your value statement. So these are reflected in the plan as well. Next. We talked about this. We started November through January. We did the data and analysis, which is a requirement of the plan. So we look at the population projections and we look at all of the requirements for the public facilities, the housing, for all of the elements or certain data and analysis requirements. Again, that's required by the Florida statute. And we spent a lot of time updating this because some of the information was not included in the previous version that you had. So we felt it was important as policy changes at the state, we wanna make sure that we have everything in alignment so we don't have any surprises. The community engagement was January through March, that was a lot of the discussions we had with council, with leadership, and we had the community survey, which I'll spend a little bit more time on, and from February to April is when we were doing the drafting of the CDMP, and now we're in the adoption and approval process, which Steve explained. I can go to the next, thank you. Okay, so the community vision. We talked about this. We go to the next slide. This is what I want to focus on. So we had a 14-question survey. It was up for two and a half, three weeks. And we had very good response. We had 573 respondents, which is really good, I think, for an online survey. And we made sure that it was reflective of different age groups so we can kind of show you the demographic information as well. We go to the next slide. So the first question was what matters most to residents today? And what was really interesting was the public safety and low crime, 91%. So that's huge for me to have such consensus on that. Also tree canopying, green spaces, which is no surprise, high quality schools, parks. But I think, you know, so these are sort of, these are important as we were developing our plan. Public safety isn't something that's really governed by the comprehensive plan, but it's important to understand safety, not necessarily related to crime, but safety in terms of like walking around, mobility, and people feeling like safe crossing the street, for example. Go to the next slide. The top priorities, these were a little bit more split. Continuing high quality public services. This is obviously important is that the village provides very high quality services. Preserving estate residential lots was a second. So that became one of, that was added to the comprehensive plan and reinforced. Addressing invasive species was number three, so that also became more prominent in the comprehensive plan. Cooperating with schools for excellence, increasing tree canopy, so all of these things that you see here were incorporated to some degree into the comprehensive plan if they weren't already there, and in some places they were emphasized more strongly.

Sorry, can I ask a question? And I'm sorry to interrupt. Yeah. Is the data being normalized by the distribution, the demographic distribution of the population? Because it could be the case that your respondents over index on a certain group that tends to be more engaged than another group. So have you looked into that?

Yeah, it's in the presentation. I'll show you.

So is this data normalized by that?

It's in the slide presentation, so I'll show you the information that reflects the demographics in the population.

Right, but are the results normalized by the demographic distribution of the population? So let me explain what I mean. Maybe I'm not being clear. Say we have 40% of people living in the village that are older than 55 years old. However, 60% of the respondents are older than 55 years old. Therefore, you overindex on the responses of people that are over 55 years old. However, they represent 40% of the population in Pinecrest. So normally, what you would do is you would bring down or adjust for that over-indexing. And maybe a younger subset of the population tends to be less engaged. They respond less in the survey. However, they represent a larger share than what they represented in their responses. So you would up a little bit their responses to then normalize the percentages. So that's my question. Did you normalize those percentages, or is this just based on the responses?

So we adjusted how we reached different respondents based on the populations that were responding. So we worked with the communications department and with the villages communications and PR firm. It's not a statistically valid survey. We are not a survey company. So we adjusted based on, so if we saw that initially we had a high response rate from residents that were 65 and older, we pushed it out to a lower, a younger demographic. So you'll see that the split, it's not based on your population breakdown. So it's not based on if 80% of your residents are 65 and older, it's not skewed that way, but we have an equal representation from each of the age groups. We have an equal representation of families with children and without children, so half and half. So we're getting, it's not, it's not normalized in exactly the way you're saying it, but it's it covers a wider spectrum of your population. And so we feel like it's a good representation of the community.

So the responses that we've received are representative of the distribution of our population, both in age as well as in families with kids, families without kids.

Yeah, so I have a slide that shows the percentage breakdown further on.

But that's not my question, I'm sorry. My question is, the percentage breakdown of the respondents, does it match to the percentages of demographic distribution in our village? Or are certain groups more over-indexing over other groups, and therefore their responses carry greater weight in the outcome?

So if I understand what you're asking, You're asking if the representation of the people that participated is the same distribution as how your population is broken down.

Yeah, roughly the same. It doesn't have to match perfectly, but actually, OK.

No, it is not. It is broken down so that each of the age groups are generally equally represented and that half of the people that participated had children living at home and half of them did not. So those are the measurements that we used so that we were, because I know one of the things you had mentioned when we talked was making sure that we included families and we were representing everyone different populations, because I know that was important to you.

Well, I think it's important to the study, not to me.

It was an important point that you made.

I think it's important to the merits of the study, not that I care about it. I think it makes it a more higher quality study.

It's not a statistically valid survey. It's something that we did to enhance the outreach. It was not something that was required or requested, that level of engagement and the kind of fine-tuning of the participation. Okay. So I think it provides a good representation, but no, it's not providing the precision that you're requesting.

Okay, thank you.

Okay. Okay, so the next thing, so we go to the next slide. Um, we did have two questions. One was about mixed use development. One was about housing affordability and housing affordability has had more of a lower priority than we had originally thought as well as mixed use development. So you had 63% of residents that were supportive, that were not supportive of mixed use. If you had 65% that felt like housing affordability was not a priority. And then the next one. And then in terms of what residents want to see related to traffic. So intersection improvements was the most important, followed by sidewalks, bikeways, and then you have sort of an equal distribution between shuttles, lowering speed limit, shared use path, crosswalks, and then it sort of tapers down from there. Next slide. So this is to your question. How many years have people been living in Pinecrest? So 40% of the people have been living there for more than 20 years. You have 21% that have been living there five years or less. In terms of the age distribution, you have More or less, except for the 75 plus you have, we tried to get a pretty equal age distribution, obviously. Under 35 was hard. We did try to push that out a little bit with the social media, with your communications consultant. But that was when we didn't get great representation on that one. Go to the next slide. Oh, I'm sorry, go back one. There's something on the bottom. 53% of the households had no children, and then the other percentage had, 47% had children between the ages of under five up to 18. So you have sort of the breakdown, 24% five to nine, 20% 10 to 14. That's because some families have more than, you know, have both age groups, but generally speaking, you have a good split of families with children living at home and families without children living at home. You go to the next. Do you have any questions on that?

No, just for context, I mean, I don't know if we have this data. So we have almost half of the respondents have been in Pinecrest for more than 20 years. Do we know of the overall population, what percentage of the population has been in Pinecrest for more than 20 years?

We can find out, but I don't have that tonight.

Because if they say that it is 50%, then that's, I think, great. It's representative of the distribution. But if it's 30% of the residents have been in Pinecrest for more than 20 years and 70% have not, then the responses of that 70% are not weighted appropriately in the outcome of the study, in my opinion.

If this is something that's important, I would suggest going out and getting a more complete survey by a survey company.

That's fair, thank you.

Yeah, thank you. Okay, next slide. And this is just sort of the summary. Safety is paramount, preserving the green character. Residents that participated in the survey were long-term. They have a limited appetite for density, intersection, safety first, and then most residents prefer to be reached by email. That was for the communications department. Next slide. Okay, the data and analysis I'm going to go through rather quickly. Go to the next slide. So these are the population projections. I just want to emphasize that the projections came from the county in order to do the water supply plan, and we had several back and forths with them and meetings with them to confirm. They're showing 2,000 additional residents in 25 years. This is really for the water supply plan purposes and it's something that's required by the comprehensive plan. So it's a very modest increase and that modest increase is what we're using to do our whole data and analysis and the goals, objectives and policies. Next slide.

And that's based on future land use map?

This slide here?

No, the population.

The population was based, that's from the water supply plan at the county.

No, but when they did that, they looked at our future land use map and figured.

It's the, it's the.

It's based on traffic, so.

It was the traffic, yeah. Okay, so in terms of existing land use, you have 74.98, there's not a lot of vacant land, so Pinecrest is mostly built out. That's kind of the point from this. You go to the next slide. 90% of your property are single family, so we put together these tables that inventory all of the land, of the existing land and all the future land uses, but you're mostly residential community. Next slide. So one of the things you have to do is your housing, you have to estimate how you're gonna house a projected population. And most of the population could be housed within the green circled areas where the Pinecrest business alternative districts are. You don't really have a lot of vacant land in their residential neighborhoods. You couldn't really support what's projected. And so the only way that you could support additional units would be in the Pinecrest Business Alternative District. Now I just wanna say that the comprehensive plan requires you to demonstrate capacity for the additional units. It doesn't require you to build the units, but you have to show that you have the capacity. So it's not saying that we're gonna build that many units or that 2,000 people are gonna come. It's just showing that there's the capacity to do that and the infrastructure and the services could support that. Next slide. Um, just some, some quick things that are required again, the data and analysis in terms of the housing, the housing prices, the median, the condo sale prices, your gross gross rent, um, your prime crest, um, AMI, which is your, um, annual median income is 192,477. So when you look at your housing and your housing affordability, it's based on that number. Go to the next slide. We also have to provide information about cost burden, which is households that are paying more than 30% of their income on housing costs. And because you have a lot of homeowners that are retired, they don't have income, that's why that number went up. Go to the next slide. We also had to update the level of service. If you have any questions on that, we can answer that as well. But it was based on the Southeast Florida Regional Planning Model, and they look at employment projections, population projections, and plan development in order to evaluate what the level of service is gonna be in the future on those streets. And you can see there's decreasing on all of these streets, 57th, 104th, 82nd, 77th, so it's not a surprise. But a lot of these things are outside of the purview of the village. We can't necessarily impact them in a real meaningful way. Next slide. Um, talked about transit cause you have to show transit with the people mover. We have the freebie, you go to the next slide, um, plan transportation improvements. So the, the, the planning, the transportation planning agent organization, which is the, um, which is under the county, put together a 20 year long range transportation plan. And so these are the projects in their plan that are priority one projects that'll happen within the next five years, some of them already happening, including the kiss and ride, some of the trails. It's mostly bike pad improvements, which is interesting, because that came up a lot in our conversations with council. Next slide. Wastewater sanitary sewer, that's all based on your previous comprehensive plan and the water supply plan. Oh, I do want to point out, we updated some of the stormwater, some of the improvements that you're already making. Next slide. Conservation sustainability, we just identified some of the projects that were happening. I know there's some comments on that for tonight. The parks, your parks right now exceed your level of service. Your level of service is three acres of parks per 1,000 residents. And you currently provide four per 1,000 residents. So the parks is very strong for the village. Next slide.

Melissa, real quick question. The parks, you're including private parkland in the analysis for the LOS? Does that include... Some of the, no, that's just based on the villages. Can you go back to that slide real quick? I think there was something there that caught my eye. So 12, we need to verify that number because I think we were at 11.

Because I think we included the trail. It was included as a, right?

We have Red Road Linear Park, Kendall Linear Park. We have Future Aleda Moss Park, we have Gary Massner Park, Evelyn Greer Park, Sunnyland Park, Veterans Wayside Park, Flagler Grove Park, Coral Pine Park, and the Village Green, and Pinecrest Gardens, that's 11. So I'm not sure where the 12th one is, we need to look at that. Yeah, just. What we try to do is highlight some of the changes for the CDMP update so really quickly the first one is

The data analysis that we just presented was updated for the 10 and 20 year timeframe. So all of the information from the data analysis had to be updated in the comprehensive development master plan. We've included the water supply facilities work plan. We added an introduction because you didn't have an introduction and we included the vision and value statement from the strategic plan. We also combined the climate change element with conservation and renamed it conservation and sustainability. So all of the policies and objectives from the climate change element are in the new conservation sustainability chapter. We removed, so there was a lot of, with the Florida, there were a lot of, policies and objectives between the different elements that were redundant, repetitive, or no longer relevant. So we did a lot of cleaning up and consolidating. So that's why you might see something crossed out and wonder, why is it crossed out? Because it was moved to a different section for the most part. Then we added new goals, objectives and policies to support the community input. So specifically like the sense of community, which is really important and emphasize sidewalks, preservation of acre lots, supporting schools, like high quality schools, paths and trails, the peacock mitigation and the water quality and traffic. And then we removed, you have a monitoring and evaluation section at the end of the comprehensive plan. So we took the monitoring and evaluation out of each of the elements because it was redundant. So again, like anything that was repetitive, we removed. You can go to the next slide. So I'm going to... kind of quickly go through each slide. And if you want to stop me on each element, we can go through it. Maybe that would be the best way.

Is that OK with everybody? How do you want to go through your edit?

So I'm fine the way I just want to be. Some of my comments are sort of why was stuff removed. Some are specific, very specific wording type things. Would you rather we do that? I mean, I don't know.

However you feel most comfortable going through it. If you want to go, if you have issues that you want to go page by page, that's fine with me.

If you go, just go. Right now, policy 1-1.1.4 is the first highlighted section after the new section that talks about the value statement and the introduction and the vision statement. So if anyone has a comment on that.

What I've done is I've pulled out all the policies that were new. So the way it's set up, so you have your goal and your goal has, you have your element, you have one through nine or one through 10. And then you have a goal, so one represents the element, the second number represents the goal, the third number represents the objective, and the fourth number represents the policy. So to navigate that, so one is future land use, goal one, objective one, policy four, maintaining the village's appearance. The next one was policy 1-1.5.7, which is what I mentioned, preserving estate lots and making sure that that's really clear. Objective 1-2.1 was to add, what we did was we added the future land use table. So you had all of your description of each of your categories, but you didn't have it in one table. so you could kind of compare. So you have a table that shows all of your future land use categories, all of the requirements, the density, the allowable uses, so all of that information is in one consolidated place. We added a policy about reconfiguring commercial development along Pinecrest Parkway. And again, we removed redundant. The concurrency management objective is referenced in the capital improvement plan. We removed duplicate objectives and updated the map series.

So, Melissa. Okay. There was one policy that you all removed, which is the one that Steve commented on, which talked about the interlocal agreement for joint school park sites and the collaboration between the village and the school board. So that was it.

Yeah. So that, okay. So the, the joint, so in the educational element, we have that language language.

Okay.

And then also I think it's in the there's reference to that in the parks rec, sorry, the recreation element.

So educational element and parks. So that policy was just re, set in a different location.

Right, because it's more specific to the schools and parks. Right, so there were some policies that were in different elements that didn't seem to fit. We also put together, which you don't have, but a matrix which provides the 2016 goal objective policy and then the comment on it, how it changed, and the reference to the other, and the renumbering. That's something that would also be helpful once we kind of finalize everything so you could kind of understand how things changed, where they moved, and that they weren't completely stricken out, but they were relocated.

OK. And on one, if we're in the one, 1-3.5, the protection of natural resources, that all comes out. And forgive me if you said that already. But why is this all out? I know there's a bunch of stuff later on about natural resources.

Yeah.

Admittedly, I didn't go to see if it's all the same. Did 1-3.5 and the ensuing sections get moved somewhere else, or did they come out for a reason?

So that was double checking, but I believe that Protection of land. That was one of the ones that was moved, but she's just verifying.

Yeah, so all of the ones under 135, the similar language is covered in the conservation .

So those policies are somewhere else in your plan.

It was just really redundant to have it both in .

Thank you. Just also wanted to mention there was a font. on page 117, the objective 1-2.4 is in a different font, so just if you want to catch that.

Okay. Were there any other comments on the future land use?

Archaeological is misspelled.

I'm sorry. The policy 1-1.6.2, Village Management and Service Center, did that get relocated?

1-1.6-2. Can you repeat the letter?

The last line talks about considering future needs for facilities, possible fire protection or rescue department. I think in the future, something like this, if it's moved, it would be nice to have a footnote saying not just stricken, but moved to...

Or you could ask me and I'd type it into the AI.

OK, Mr. AI.

Yes, yes, yes. Ken, what was the number?

It's policy 1-1.6.2, page 1-9. Page 1-9, correct. Village Management and Service Center. The village shall conduct a land facility space study focused on existing and projected future needs for land and building area.

Right, so this is referencing a study A land and facility space study. So this was written in 2016.

Well, they were looking for the fire, considering a fire department. Right.

So if this, the assumption is that the study was done or is no longer needed, but it should, if it is, if that study hasn't been done and you want to keep it in here.

Okay, so it's more specific to the study than the concept.

Melissa, is there anything in the comp plan that talks about Because the council and strategic planning has established a goal that they would revisit the issue of whether or not to have its own fire rescue department every, I think it's seven years, in a seven-year cycle. So if we haven't caught that, we definitely should.

There was also the thought, would we be able to find land and then work with the county to even start maybe just another rescue station on the western part of the village or the southwest part of the village. So that's, I don't know if we'll ever do that, but I'd like to have that as part of our.

Yes, we can add that the every seven years to that policy.

That we would revisit the service provided through the Miami-Dade Fire Rescue Department. There was a typo in 1-27. Archaeological is misspelled in the first objective.

That's very good.

Is there anything else on the future land use?

I don't have anything. I had nothing in there.

I know. It's a lot of information.

And you said the table, the big table that's here is nothing new. It's just putting it on. It's a reordering, but not, or it's a presentation, but nothing is substantive.

Correct. Yes. Thank you.

I just don't, I don't see fully that we've, I know the policy that the manager referenced earlier regarding interlocal agreements for joint school and park sites, which was fairly explicit previously, and it was deleted from at least section one. And is that being covered? in the sort of like the education element, or is there an education specific element within the plan that's covering for this, or are we abandoning this as a policy altogether based on this draft? Yeah, and I'm sorry, I know the manager had asked this, but I don't see it being reflected elsewhere in the document as explicitly as it's referenced here.

It was an objective that talks about being able to have joint use of facilities. The way that the school board presently drafts these types of agreements, they're mutual agreements, so we just need to make sure that that particular objective that you struck out, that was something that all the council felt strongly should not be struck out. We just want to make sure that it's included somewhere in the comp plan, whether you want to put it in education or parks and recreation. Yeah.

Can you tell me the objective? I'll tell you which one it is.

I'll tell you where it was moved. Sure. It was policy 1-1.6.1. And then the other one that we were referring to, which could be tailored a little more towards the fire rescue issue, was 1.1.6.2, 1-1. So the interlocal was moved to 6-1.5.1, which is the

6-1.5.1.

Which is the recreation and open space element. Yeah, here it is.

It's on page 698. So it was, I guess, in two different locations. It was redundant because you have it here again.

So what's happened is that you have It was mostly in the future land use that you had a lot of policies that were repeated in other elements. And you don't need to have it in two places. And I think it makes it more, it's cleaner to have it in one place. Because I think it opens it up. If you change one, you don't change the other. Then it's in conflict. So we just tried to clean that up. So that's how that was changed.

So a similar policy is on page 6-98. Policy 6-1.5.1, joint school park concept. And that's already, there's no change to that. That's also already in the comp plan. But it captures the same information.

Yeah, it's the same.

Okay. Yeah.

This one, I know we've had a couple of comments. So goal two was enhanced because that was a new requirement of the Florida statute. So it just provides more information about sort of the whole gamut of all the different modes of transportation and ways of getting around. So that was added as new. We added the reference to the level of service. So that was required in the Florida statutes. And then for policy 2-1.1.3, we were addressing the multimodal transportation facilities. So that was a new policy. And then on the next slide.

Can we stay on that one? Sure. Number six, where we say on-demand service. The village will continue to fund on-demand rides in the village. Can we make that more? Aspirational? Will continue or will prioritize funding?

May consider.

Or will consider funding on demand rise?