Council - Regular Meeting

like to welcome everyone to the Monday, February 23rd Pine Bluffs Town Council meeting. Please join me for the pledge of allegiance. [clears throat] To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [snorts]

The next item is the agenda approval. I move to amend the agenda to add an executive session regarding personnel at the end of the meeting. We'll second it. Hearing a motion and a second. All those in favor? I opposed. Hearing none. Motion carries. Next. I I move to approve the agenda as amended. Okay. Second. All those in favor I opposed hearing none. Motion carries.

Next item is the [laughter] consent agenda. I'll move to approve the consent agenda. [clears throat] Second. Hearing motion and a second. All those in favor? I opposed. Hearing none. Motion carries. on the new business and action items. First item is conditional use permit for West 4th Street. I think the 429. Is that a typo? It is. It should be four 209. 209. Yeah, 209. Okay.

209. uh for the multif family unit [snorts] request. Um

mayor and town council, um I have a packet for you to review. Um, not only is it a conditional use permit application, um, which would, uh, in per our ordinance, uh, this is in zone, uh, B and in zone B, if you want to have a multifamily home, uh, you have to request a conditional use for that property. But in addition to the conditional use permit application, you also have a variance request. So that should the conditional use of the property be approved, uh with that would go a variance request, uh requesting a reduced setback requirement and a reduced lot area requirement. Uh the specifics are outlined in the documents that have been provided and the property owners are available for any further discussion. Kim, if I'm [clears throat] hearing you right, the first item, first action item is to approve the conditional use permit and then we'll go on to the variance after. Correct.

That is correct. Yes. Um I will move to approve the conditional use permit. Yes. In specific, this particular conditional use permit is for a triplex to be located at 209 West Fourth. I heard a motion and a second to approve the conditional use permit. All those in favor? I opposed. Hearing none. Motion carries on to now would be the variance request for that

request.

So currently the um the triplex would fit on the lot uh and could meet the front set back of 20 ft and each side set back of six feet. Uh but with this request, they would need to uh alter the configuration of that property so that the uh property faces Blair as opposed to West 4th Street. Uh so we would create an address change to Blair Street. But uh with that then the back of the property would abut the property at uh 207 West 4th. So that setback would normally be 25 ft. There would not be a remaining 25 ft if they were to meet the front setback requirement of 20T. That would only leave a 10-ft setback in the to the rear of the property between property lines. Um the proposal is to ensure that there is a clear walkway to the back of the property so that um anybody needing to respond for emergency purposes would be able to access the back of the property with ease. If the layout were reconfigured to be a duplex, could you still could you still make the project work for you is what I I guess what I would want to

ask. [clears throat] Yes.

Okay. Sorry, I wasn't sure if it was me or [laughter] um yes, we could do a duplex or a triplex. I was just trying to maximize that space. And so the only reason we came up, myself and um Megan Anderson were working on the triplex idea together. Um and that's where that layout came from. I can. I'm sure if if we can fit a triplex there, we can most definitely fit a duplex um with similar uh I guess I just I'm trying to not have like I'm trying to zero scape. I'm trying to not have yards so that we're not using water unnecessarily like trying to make this as uh productive as possible for that area.

If you were to change that to a duplex, does that even really change your setback issue? Um, not necessarily because so the duplex the only thing with the duplex configuration that we were looking at and I'm sure we could find a different one because they are designing these like as we come up with the the ideas for them. Um, my only fear with the duplex well we wouldn't necessarily have to change it to Blair. They were thinking of having two like long skinny units which I don't would just have two fourth street facing addresses. I'm I can do anything. I think uh it's just a matter of how much what we want to make it look like, I guess. So, luckily the people who are designing this are very helpful. [clears throat]

Well, I'd like to see I'd like to make it work, but I'm concerned about the total use of the area. It seems like we've exceeded the what's normally allowed for the the land space per housing unit on the lot. tonight, mayor. Yes.

Just for clarification um through YouTube, Kim, how close what's the what proximity is there for the structures that are adjacent to the property? I mean, are they crowded into or are they set back the full amount? Unfortunately, there's not a lot of comparable. There's there's nothing to really compare that to on the corner. So, currently that little house faces West Port Street. Um to the east of that

Yep. So, to the east of that house is uh 207 Westport. And that is another lot that looks almost identical to that lot. Um only it has like a little garage or shed or something on the back side of that property and a lot of stuff and a lot of junk. Yes. [laughter] Um so um how much are those ones set back from here from fourth street or from the property line because we're talking about the set back here it won't reach that correct. How far on the other property are they also Hang on. They all seem very close to the property like where the current building is where the building

you're picking up. Okay. Yes. Right. Thank you. Like it doesn't look like the footprint of the current building on 209 would change like like it's already too close. Oh, actually no. It it um you are correct. Let me look up that. Hang on. I have that. We actually took measurements today. Ashley, is this the most current one where you've got

I just did that today. Yeah, that was my solution. Uh because we talked about like where would people store things? Um and so like in brainstorming that I thought it would be nice to have a covered carport because our winters sometimes aren't pleasant. And then inside that carport, each unit would have its own storage space. Potentially you'd be looking at three separate Okay. three separate spots slashlocker areas. So, uh, currently from the east side of the house to the property line on the east is 15'9 in. So, just under 16 ft to the property line, correct? Yep. And this one would be 10.

Um, if we move it forward a little bit, like in the newer picture, I think it would be a little more than 10. Yeah. two different? No, not too different. [clears throat] Um, and I came up with the idea to have like a walking space so that it's for safety purposes to allow there's a a fire hydrant on the corner there. Um, the southwest corner. And so that way all sides um so I guess the west facing the north and the south would all be accessible via a fire truck. And then the back side of the building would be accessible through that walkway.

Mayor, one additional thought here. Um, so what [clears throat and snorts] I was really driving at, and I'm coming late to the party here, so forgive me if I got this mixed up, but as we look at this picture, is east, east, and north, north, I mean, are they all aimed the right direction? Correct. Yes. Yes. Okay. So when I'm at the very boundary, the very edge, you can see a couple of buildings and a bunch of cars to the east. Right. Correct. Somebody else owns that property, right? Mhm.

Have you approached them to see if they have any difficulty with that? I have not yet. I don't know who. I mean, I'm sure we could look it up, but I I mean, the reason being I mean, what we're really concerned about with setbacks is uh fire danger. Yeah, fire danger.

So, um in order to address that, there's a number of ways that we have gone uh on that. One is, you know, to assess how close those other buildings are to their line so that we get the total distance between. And uh this is this is probably going to prevent them from building something and coming and getting a variance to get close to the line because there's already somebody close to the line. So typically, you know, the other property owner has at least needs to be approached with that to see if they have some problem with that to treat them fairly.

Okay. So, [snorts] um, currently the house to the east is, uh, the side of that house is 15 feet from the property line. So, they're already encroached. Correct. figures there' be what about 25 ft between the two? Yes. So, so you're looking at 25 ft instead of 40 basically. Yeah. Could you get to 30?

Um, I'm sure we can if we pushed it forward because there's a lot more space on the front side on the Blair Street side. currently. So, I mean, if we if we change the front set back instead of the back one, we can accommodate the the rear set back very easily. And then we would just wouldn't have we would have like a small walking path and then a covered porch on the front part of the the building. So, each person would also have like their own outdoor space um in the front. I was just thinking about that part of town already kind of being on top of each other and how we could maybe mitigate that a little bit

from from this side and we can't from the things that are already there. But yeah 30 that way this Yeah. I I promise my goal is to make it look much nicer than it currently does. I am sure it will. Um, [clears throat] Ashley, can you talk about the uh the covered carport storage on the back that would be facing the alley?

Yes. So, I called to check if that was even or I I visited with Kim about I didn't even know if that was an option, but that's what I came up with. Um, because there's obviously tons of street parking, but it's nice to have designated parking spots. So, each unit would have a designated parking spot within that carport space. And then at the very edge, so like towards the building, the carport area would have like in I looked up ways you could put like lock storage lockers in essentially so that people could store a bicycle or a grill or something that they might want outside and not in their house. So would that be that be attached to this

to the carport part? I haven't really gone. So this was like really quickly done today. So yeah, I would definitely have like a an official measurement done and everything to make sure it would all work, but the goal would be that it would be attached to the carportion, not the actual building itself. Okay. I guess my question was um how close does the edge of the the north edge of the carport get to the alley? Um so it would go up like the I guess the overhang of the carport the alley wouldn't be impeded on, but it would be up to the alley line. Okay. Because I think technically don't we have like into the alley like is

yeah I on the survey map that I have like it showed that which is that was strange too. I called the surveyor this morning just to see that if you're looking at the assessor's map Amy and I were just talking about that so it's fresh in my brain on the west side of town. It's off a little. Okay. So it looks funky but [laughter] the way that it's drawn on this map is correct. Okay. So, I contacted a surveyor this morning who pulled it also from the county to check. And so, yeah, it's like a little bit of the alley, but um nothing that wouldn't it wouldn't impede on everyone else's use of that space, [snorts] which and I think there's a isn't it a business on the north side of that alley? The town shop. Yeah. [clears throat]

Expanding the substation. I mean, I think I would find it favorable to move the front [clears throat] the Blair set back to 15 and give that a 30 foot setback between the two properties to give that safety buffer. Are you guys okay with that moving the the whole structure to 15 feet off the curve? What do we say that is now? The house is it 20? The normal setback's 20.

Um I'm just for perspective. I'm just curious. It's uh 19 ft currently. So it will move it out some from what it from what the existing structure is. But I think I think that would be a better option to and I think seeing as there's stuff there like it gives some like those things aren't easily moved so it gives some [clears throat] movement for safety to

mayor. Another option is on the east walls you I mean the the fire code allows you to double up on drywall and stuff like that if you want to go to that much trouble and then you can get closer to things. So that might work better for you. I mean, I don't know how you feel about drywalling, but I don't I haven't gone into that kind of detail yet, but I will definitely there there are provisions in the fire and electric code that allow that. So, you're talking between the the the rear the east facing wall.

Yeah, the east facing wall. It it makes it more fire retardant because you have additional thickness in there. Okay. So that's so essentially if the neighbors area is on fire, it won't jump. Is that like the idea? Yeah. Okay. Works both ways. Yeah. Usually I would personally be fine with either solution. Yeah. I guess works best. What's most agreeable for you to get this done and started? Um whatever. It does not honestly like I I once I get approval from you guys, I get to move on to the next step. And so I they didn't want to put the energy into like bidding and everything yet until we knew if we were allowed to do it.

Um so but I can I'd be more than happy to keep everyone in the know while I go along this process. But I think updates are fine but I don't know. Yeah, I think [laughter] it's not ne like once we move on from today not so Kim we can meet the even with a triplex we can meet the the side setbacks then

um we would but the the idea of adding that carport kind of throws a little bit of a curve in there. I I think I'd just need to see more of a design plan on that piece of it. But the tri triplex alone would meet the sides. The only concern was going to be that that back uh what would be the back. But if we move the the whole structure closer to Blair, then it gives you a little more room on the back. Correct. For storage and bikes and

so it kind of alleviates some of that. Would there be room to to pull into the alley? I I assume that you would be pulling into the alley and then into a parking spot. Into a parking spot. Yes, there should be. Um, like I said, I'll I'll definitely do more boots on the ground um measuring, but we might need a separate one for the carport carport idea, right?

Well, I think at this point we would just move forward to the building permit process and then um so really the variance is going to be on the rear set back which would be between that property and the property to the east. Um and then the other variance request would be the minimum lot area requirements which tells you about how much uh lot square footage per family. um which this would exceed that but um we are looking at generously sized threebedroom units. So I think that Chief Smith, do you have something you'd like to add? I just want to point out it is one of the wideries that we do have on that.

Okay, great. Thank you. I'll move to issue a variance um to allow for the property to be built 15 feet from the um yeah from Blair Street allowing for 30 ft between the two properties. I'll second it. Hear a motion and a second. All those in favor I opposed hearing none. The motion carries. Thank you guys. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. That would be nice to have something go in there.

Visitor comments. So, on to visitor comments. [laughter] You're first. Your first.

My name is Shannon Shane and I've been a resident here for over 30 years. And you all received a more detailed um account of my complaint, but I am concerned about the growing issue of dogs running loose in Pine Bluffs. And I would like to see stricter policies and enforcement to discourage the owners from allowing their dogs to roam freely. Um, I think residents who enjoy walking, biking, running should be able to do so without fear of being attacked or approached by dogs. Um, I was recently bit and another time a dog and I just, you know, it kind of takes the fun out of and we've had some beautiful days. So I just would like something to be done to um you know perhaps stricter laws where you know it's maybe a bigger ding to them that they won't you know allow it to happen. So

this has been a reoccurring theme that we've been hearing over and over. What Shannon was anything done after you were bitten? Um, I did file a report and the dog was quarantined. So, you know, and everything was fine, but you know, you have to go on antibiotics, ruin my pants, ruin my shoes. I mean, which is fine, but I mean, yeah, but I mean, was anything done with the animal that then I have to walk a different route? Do do you know did the owner get a fine? What happened on that end of it?

Yeah. Um, owner received a fine. dog was quarantined um per statute and ordinance. Um this particular dog um was the first incident that we have on record of it um biting. Um so that was kind of the max of it. Make sure um good on its shots and everything like that. Um there's this same family, two different [clears throat] dogs that were involved in a different incident, sim similar incident that we did end up putting down because we had um ongoing issues with those two dogs and this third dog too. The third dog um though was more of a he's there he wasn't an active participant in the biting that that we could uh you know prove on record. Um after us issuing the citation, we did issue a dangerous dog um issuance as well, which necessarily isn't a fine, but it's us notifying him that we consider him a dangerous dog in the town of Pine Bluffs and a next, you know, bite on record, which hopefully does not happen, and the owner takes responsibility, um we can put it down as well, and that'll be issued through Judge Moran. Does it take another bite for that or just the dog is free and running?

Uh, it wouldn't even have to be a bite. Just any aggressive [clears throat] excuse me, any aggressive manner towards anyone. Um, charging, coming out of the yard and and just charging and nipping or or something to that effect would be enough to take action. Uh, doesn't have to be a bite. No. Does it have to come out of the yard? [clears throat] Yes. Yeah. So, at that point, you're already in imminent danger. Exactly. Yeah. Absolutely.

And I would fully support upping the fine on a lot of different things, but especially dog at large, because this is an ongoing issue that we've been having with a couple residents, not just this one. There's a couple couple others in town that we're having this disagreement with that they think of them on the farm. So, Chief, do you recall what the fine amount was? I think $50. Yeah, I think it's $50. I would I would not be against raising it to above 100 because I um I think there needs to be some sort of uh skin in the game for someone to actually want to build a fence or or kennel or something other than having to pay uh you know a $50 fine. They just pay the $50 fine and not fix their issue

if they were held more accountable. Finds all that. What's that? I don't think a $100 finds all that punitive.

No, I not in today's [clears throat] world. I think there's some some some things on dog at large and and other ordinances we have that could be uh that could go up especially uh you know underage uh you know tobacco use I think is like $25. We've talked about that in length of trying to you know make that go up and work with the schools um to combat the you know that ongoing issue but uh to get back on the dog issue I think that could definitely go up. Do do you happen to know, Chief Smith, what is there a precedence outside of our community of what this fine looks like to possibly encourage people to fence in leashes?

The only thing I can take is my Nebraska days and it was $150 fine um and an automatic uh court date. So, um, you had to go talk to a judge about why your dog got out and charged to someone. Now, a simple dog at large or off leash. No, I think it was 50 bucks. But, but aggressive,

but the aggressive nature, I think it was, you know, dog at large, aggressive nature, I think is what it's called, or something aggressive or aggressive dog, aggressive animal, I think it was. Um, [clears throat] that required you to go talk to a judge. Um, so I wouldn't be um against uh you know moving to something like that where you have to sit and talk to Judge Moran and get the talking to and and I you know do I think that's going to fix it? No. It's ultimately it's up to um holding the the animal owner accountable and making sure they mitigate their own selves. And that's in the nature of law. It's hard to do

with about everything. Sounds like it's per dog. Like the same owner had two dogs and had and we're talking about per dog. Is there a way that we can per owner because this owner goes and gets another dog that becomes aggressive or another. We just keep fighting.

And that that's the talk I had with him after this last incident. I said this is we have to do this with every dog you've ever owned. You know, at some point you got to look at yourself and stop buying dogs. Um I don't know if there's a way we can prevent someone from owning a dog. Um, but I I definitely um I definitely question, you know, how these dogs are being raised and treated because I think it's a lot of the times it's a owner issue, not necessarily a fully a dog issue. Sometimes it's a dog, but you know, a lot of times it's it's because the the way the owner is. I don't want to, you know, defame anyone, but [snorts]

that's just the truth. So, the ordinance on the website says that they don't have to be a dangerous dog. They just have to be off their property and off leash and that's that's findable right there. Yes. So, we don't have to wait for a dog to bite somebody. No, no. To I was talking about to put it down that that would be a different animal there. That's where I was going with that. So, it looks like right now um a third offense within 12 months They do have to mandatory appearance in court. Want that moved up to second offense? I think it should be first offense. I think you know, but fine plus coming to court and talking

for at large or being aggressive. Aggressive. The atlarge I think is fine. Well, state of Wyoming fine is $200 for a vicious dog or aggressive dog. And um it says that municipalities could be higher. Just letting you know at the state level it's 200. Yes. And the I I would propose a $250 fine. Kim, do you want to work on another ordinance? Sure. [laughter]

You've been there. I Well, I already have to touch the animal ordinance anyway, so I can absolutely work with Chief Smith and tidying that up. That seems appropriate.

Maybe there's a wording we could put in there. Instead of it being per dog, it's like per Yeah. Can we tie this back to the to the owner? Because it seems like people that have vicious dogs have vicious dogs and and it doesn't matter how many dogs they get. You could get rid of 20 of them and the 21st dog's still going to they're going to turn it into a vicious dog. Yeah. Can, Alex, can we tie it back to the to the incident per owner or

And I think we can encourage people to carry a nine iron with them. [laughter] As a as a newspaper boy at the age of nine, I learned real [laughter] fast how to deal with that problem. So, no, we can uh I I think we can tie it to I think we can tie it to ownership. And I agree, it's more an owner problem than it is a dog problem. There's some owners we've had good luck with. Hey, you know, let's work with, you know, let's work with the judge and mitigate this and then the fine goes away as long as you do these things that we asked. And some of them do it. And some of them, you know, just lazy and don't do it.

Second off the fence, they have to buy cats. Yeah. [laughter] Oh, we have a cat problem. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. But not vicious.

Yeah. It's a perennial problem. I mean, there's not a city or town that doesn't deal with this. And it always, mayor, it always seems to reflect on either the type of dog that the owner wants to have uh or, you know, just not raising the dog correctly and dealing with it. And if you get to that point and they're old enough, you know, I don't I don't know what you do except keep them penned up.

Yeah. I would say this this it's an older black lab and it it's set in his ways. I I don't think there's anything you can do to change that dog and the attitude even if you gave it a different owner. I I think it's it's going to always be like that now. It's been so um I don't want to say trained into him, but it's just it's what he's used to. That's what he knows and that's what he's going to continue to do. Unfortunately, um there's nothing on paper that I can do to stop that except for to get the owner that we're talking about to keep that kennel shut and not let the kids let it out because then they forget to shut the kennel doors and stuff like that. So, that's all beyond our control, unfortunately. Um but, uh yeah, I don't know. Like Alex said, I don't know if there's an easy fix for it. But [snorts] I think raising the fine would make someone think twice.

Raising the fine, maybe tying to an individual instead of a dog. Yeah. Yeah. I I would propose that we do that and we raise the fine to $250 and make a mandatory court appearance with the first offense. Yeah. And just go up. Yeah. And just escalate from there. We do have a section on um fighting animals, but it's not very Does it talk about fines? No, [clears throat] I don't think so. So, we don't have any we don't have any fines in place for aggressive animals. Um that falls under your for our bond schedule. Correct. Yeah.

Okay. Um there uh there's different layers for like breaking the skin and and stuff like that, but that's all can be killed. I'm just thinking our should have a section that not only addresses dogs that are that are on the loose, but also dogs that are aggressive. And right now it does not. It's very vague. It does say shall be punished by a fine of more than $750 for any person who violates this section.

Sure. So, when we discuss fines in any of our ordinances, whether it be the animal ordinance or uh the nuisance ordinance, things of that nature, so that we don't have to update that particular ordinance every time uh that we want to change a fine, we list this the maximum which is up to 750. Then our PD has an ordinance that is their bond schedule. Um, and that bond schedule is is updated as we update fines. So we would update the animal ordinance to discuss the specific language and then we would update our bond schedule to reflect that increased fine. Um, and as chief mentioned, he has some other things that he would like to update in that bond schedule anyway. So, we can tackle those both at the same time.

We'd be updating the ordinance as well, so we can change. Yeah, we'd be updating the language to make that a lot more clear, but it would still say up to some areas it's very specific like $50 fine. So, we can up Yes. Yeah. in those sections for the at large, not the Yes, absolutely. That was the dangerous fighting.

Thank you, Shannon.

I think Barb has something she'd like to tell us.

Any other bills or comments? I'm here tonight to report on how the Women of Faith Super Bowl bake sale went. And if those of you that don't know, all the money goes to the town, the Good Sams fund. And it's w basically it's the women of the all the churches here in Pine. So I have the the checks here. The checks were $936. One of the ladies made the didn't make it out to the CCW. So there's $15 more. So basically we made $951 for the town for the good Sam.

Congratulations. That's wonderful. [applause] And I have to say how how pleased I am and happy that you know this the community has supported this project so well for so long and I hope we can continue. But anyway, and the and Texas Trail Market staff is wonderful help. So, everybody pitches in and thank God it went very well this year. Thank you, Barbara. Thank you for doing this. Thank you. She just paid it up, but she made it up.

Okay, perfect. Thanks, Tone. Any other visitor comments? Hearing none. On to department reports. I have nothing. You have anything, Dave? I have nothing. I have nothing either.

Um, I have some good news. When direct distribution went to the Senate, uh the Senate did make an amendment to move that percentage from the seven that it left the House in to 8% which would put direct distribution at about 152 million per bienium. Um we'll just see how that falls through the Senate, but Wham is Wham staff is on it. So there

she's sending out updates all the time, but also um just just reminding us to thank and um talk to our representatives. So and our good friend Mark's just putting in all the good work for [clears throat] for everyone while session is going on too. So that's all I have. I don't have a committee, so nothing [laughter] to read. You're on the board of the senior center. Senior center. Yes. So, how about you report on what you know to be going on with the senior center?

I currently have the senior center, but [laughter] she's welcome to take it. Yes, she's welcome to take it because they meet at 9:30 when class starts. So, Okay. But you still got to find me one then, too. So on that the same we got more funds we were allotted it came through the senate and is going to the house so the exact opposite but they actually added it was 135,000 more wow

into the we're locally hoping to get so but Alicia is all over that and up there and letting them know and writing letters and sending it out. So we're very lucky to have her doing all that. Well, more money starting out of the house is a great that's that's a good silver lining. So, yeah, it is. You have nothing.

I don't have much. Our engineer for the quiet zone crossing is still working with the railroad. So, you know, they check in with me every couple weeks just to say we're still on it. Um but that's about it. Okay. Um we have issued the change orders for the industrial park at the north property. So um as soon as we can uh pair up the contractor that will be putting in the sewer lines and the one that we'll be putting in the electric system out there, uh we'll be uh good to go. We anticipate starting that by the beginning of April. Um, speaking of April, uh, we will actually in March be working with the department heads on starting our budget process. So during the month of April, uh, we'll be looking at starting our different workshops uh, to start going through our budget process uh, for FY27. And um with that, just again finishing up on audits and uh getting geared up to start the AWAS replacement project at the airport. [snorts]

Do I hear a motion to adjourn? Oh, wait. I think Austin has something. Oh, you have something? Yep. That's all right. Uh we are starting in two weeks our partnership with Lam County School District 2 and uh DARE classes. So between um deputies with the Lam County Sheriff's Office and Officer Ferdick, they'll be uh combating those classes in both Burns um Alban Carpenter and Pine. So what grade do they do that at now? Um I believe it's sixth. I think I believe it's sixth. I wanted to say fifth, but I knew I'd be wrong there. I think it's sixth, right? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's all I got.

Our our next meeting is Oh, meetings. Um, Monday, March 9th at 6:00 p.m. There won't be a workshop at that one. So, I have an EMS report. Amy does have one more. You have something? I just got an EMS report. They have two new hires. Um, Heather Egley as a driver and Tina I'm gonna say her name wrong. Will you What is your right? Is it Smith? That's not here. Um, as as an EMT. Oh, exciting. So, yeah. Great. Well, that's great. I think they're really full staff, so good for them. Thank you.

Very good. Um, I'll move to go into executive session. All those in favor? I. Motion carries. Forgot about them.