Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

for example. Okay, I'd like to call the meeting to order at 700 p.m.

Looks like we have all commissioners present except for the vacant spot. So, we'll start with item number two, citizen communication. Uh, the planning and zoning commission welcomes comment on items relevant to the planning and zoning not already scheduled on tonight's agenda in accordance with the Texas Attorney General's opinion. Any public comment that is made on item that is not on the published agenda will only be heard by the commission. No formal action, discussion, deliberation, or comment will be made by the commission. Each person providing public comment will be limited to three minutes and will be asked to state his or name and address for the public record. Got one.

Okay. Um, is there anyone present wishing to address the commission? I have one from Sarah Norman, but anybody else? Okay. And Sarah, did you want to speak now or for the item? Okay.

Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Uh, all right. So, we'll move on then to item three, which is the consent agenda. All matters listed under the consent agenda are considered routine by the commission and will be enacted by one motion. These items include preliminary and final plats where staff is found compliance with all minimum subdivision regulations. All items approved by consent are approved with any and all staff recommendations. There will not be separate discussion of these items. If any commissioner desires to discuss an item on the consent agenda, it'll be moved to the regular agenda for further consideration. Are there any commissioners that wish to remove something from the consent agenda? Okay, seeing none, we will go ahead and read them out. Um 3A 2025942 approve the planning and zoning commission minutes for November November 3rd, 2025 regular meeting. And I guess that's it. So I'll accept a motion and a second to approve the items in 3A.

So moved. Second. All right. Motion a second. All in favor? I. Any opposed?

No. Okay, that passes. [clears throat] Move on to item number four, which is the public hearing. The commission welcomes comment on the following items. Each person providing the public comment will be limited to three minutes and will be asked to state his or her name and address for the public record. Uh the first item is 4A OD0864. Um we'll hear from Michael Petroski. All right, good evening everyone. Uh, tonight's resoning request is for 604K Lane. Uh, the subject property is located in the Warner Heights edition, uh, to the east of the Tobias Acres. Um, we are, I believe there was one, uh, error in the staff report. We, just to clarify, we are to the west of, uh, 685 and we are to the east of North Railroad there. Um say the subject property is located along the northern portion of K Lane with the justice center here uh directly to the north. The subject property was annexed in 1995 where it was given the base zoning district of agricultural and development reserve. Uh this district identifies areas where agricultural uses may be appropriate and serves as an interim zoning uh classification for land that relatively is undeveloped but has been identified of having future potential growth. Um as you can see most of the subdivision is zoned with the A uh zoning district and then we have the single family suburban to the west and then we have the general business 2 directly to the north and then we have CL3 directly to the north as well. Um this year staff received a request to reszone 604 K lang here from uh from agricultural to single family estates. Uh the staff understanding that the applicant would like to reszone and then later subdivide the property so that

they can have their existing house and then build a second house on the new lot. Uh the single family estate district is intended to accommodate larger lot uh single family development generally with lots greater than 1/2 acres in size. New single family estate neighborhoods may be established within this district. Uh however, their location should be carefully considered uh to minimize sprawl and be uh consistent with utility and infrastructure master plans. Uh the uses that may be permitted are the uh permitted residential uses are the single family detached home. You may also have an accessory dwelling unit. Uh non-residential, there's a golf course, a park, a place of worship, and a school. Conditional uses may allow for an amenity center with utilities and then a specific use permit may be uh required for schools uh that are private or provocial. The future land use map designates this area as suburban residential uh which supports 100% residential product including cluster subdivisions, large lot single family, suburban single family, small lot single family and accessory dwelling units. Uh, additionally, the compreh identifies this area as the central district, a sub neighborhood that emphasizes the development of locally owned businesses, diversification of housing sought, and thoughtful infill development. Um, the comprehensive plan identifies this area as suburban residential and the requested reszoning supports the land and future growth uh goals number two of the Aspire 2040 comprehensive plan, which encourages residential of diverse backgrounds and housing preferences to make Fugerville home. Uh the proposed single family estate zoning district aligns with this goal by expanding housing options and supporting long-term home ownership within the community. Uh staff recommends approval of the resoning request from agriculture to sing family estates. Uh newspaper notification was published. Letters were mailed to property owners within 500 ft.

And I am here to answer any questions that you might have. Any questions? Mhm. size needed to establish the single family estate neighborhood or if if it were single family estate neighborhood, the minimum lot size is half and this lot to total is about two and a half. So there is room for to have two lots there. And I think you had mentioned you had mentioned that um it could be possible to build a school there. Is would a charter school for example be a private school or a public school? Do you know a charter school? I believe that would be private. Okay. Yeah. So, that would need a special use permit then.

Yes, sir. Okay. Okay. Um, yeah, I'll also accept a motion to close the public hearing. [clears throat] So, moved. Second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay. So, we'll close the public hearing on this item. Um, and then any other discussion, Commission? No. All right, I'll accept a motion. Move to approve. Second. Okay. All in favor of approving 4 A. I. Any oppose? Okay, that passes unanimously.

Thank you. We'll move on then to 4B, which is the 4B. Okay. Um, so we'll move on to 4B, which is OD 0862. and we'll hear from Jeremy on this one.

Good evening, commission. So, this item is another reasonzoning request, but this one is for property along the east side of Weiss Lane, generally southeast of Kelly and Weiss intersection, uh, northeast of the lake. Uh, it's represented on the, um, aerial there with the, uh, star on there. It's approximately a 2acre piece of property on east side Weiss Lane. West side is what villages of Hidden Lake. We also have Sarrento just to the south and the reserve at West Creek further to the north. Um little background on this. The the proposed property is the one that's outlined with the uh light blue color. Um but again it was annexed in roughly 2006 and was zoned to the agricultural conservation zoning district as the interim zoning district. Um later in 2008 the property became acquired and went through the process of um looking at creating a subdivision for the 20 acre piece of property intended to go for an industrial development. Then in 2009 it was zoned to that light industrial zoning district. um it went through a series of replats and you can see the properties um to the east and directly to the north are still zoned the light industrial district. You can also see further to the north and further to the south those properties have changed zoning districts and so those are now GB1 district. Um the one that's furthest to the north that GB1 district recently was reszoned um to allow for that retail use. [clears throat] Um so the proposed request is to reszone the property to the general business one district. As you recall um GB1 is usually utilized to establish opportunities for additional retail office types of development that help provide services to um nearby neighborhoods. Uh we have that type of

zoning district along 685. We have that along Flugerville Parkway. Um, example uses are listed there on the screen and there was a table that was provided with the staff report but basically looking at personal services, retail um, sales and service, restaurants, daycarees, those types of uses are allowed in the GB1 district would not be allowed in the light industrial zoning district. So, the applicant is looking to expand the opportunity for um, finding a a user for the property. It's not a known use at this time, but the GB1 district would um fit their needs better. The comprehensive plan identified this area as the Black Line Prairie District. Um that has a lot large focus on um there was conversation about um Seal Road as well as Flugerville Parkway. there's a large amount of residential within this district. Uh but the idea was to introduce mixed use and look at ways of increasing efficiencies when we were looking at infrastructure and also making sure that we were catering to catering towards those nearby neighborhoods um to provide goods and services to people within that area. Um, zooming into this particular property was identified in the comprehensive plan as neighborhood retail, office and commercial. Um, with the idea of expanding again the opportunities for that commercial development, providing some neighborhood shopping centers and neighborhood office and commercial. Uh, the proposed request is consistent with the comprehensive plan. Staff does recommend approval for the request. We did not receive any concerns or or inquiries even um on the reszoning request for this property. Um and I'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have.

Okay. Any questions for Jeremy right off the bat? Okay. Um we'll hear from Sarah Norman if you'd still like to speak on this one. I just wanted to say I'm here. Okay. All right. Excellent. Okay. So, let's uh let's get a motion then to close the public hearing. So, move. Second. All in favor? I. All right. And I vote I as well. Uh any opposed? Okay, that one passes. So, the public hearing is closed on this item. Um I guess my only question was what are those buildings behind it? What kind of use is that? to the south

east to the right that are in the light industrial zoning district. Yes. So today those are warehouse um uses as well as a self- storage facility. So the northernmost one if I could show the yeah the northernmost one is a um self- storage facility and then the other two are office warehouse type of uses. Would they have independent access to that or would they have to drive through this retail center? They have established access through the platting process and it was actually how the lots are established right now have flags that go out towards Weiss Lane. So there's common access. Okay. And we own those as well. So

all right, those are my only questions. Anything else? All right, I'll take a motion then. Move to approve. Second. All right. All in favor approving 4 B. I I I. Any opposed? Okay, that passes unanimously as well. Thank you. Thank you, Jeremy.

All right, then we will move on to the discuss and consider portion. So, um I don't believe we have any consent agenda items that were pulled here. So, we'll go straight to 5A. Uh we'll hear from Yasmin on this. Good evening, commission. My name is Dr. Jasmine Turk, planning manager for the city of Flugerville, and I'm here to present a subdivision waiver request to the subdivision process outlined in section 15.3 of the unified development code to allow for a construction plan to be submitted, reviewed, and approved without first obtaining an approved preliminary plan or final plat for property located generally southeast of the of East Flugerville Parkway and SH130 intersection between Baton Boulevard and Eastflugerville way. The applicant is requesting to install a wastewater mainline to extend wastewater service to the northern portion of the property. Currently, water service is located on the northern portion of the property and wastewater service is located on the southern portion of the property. Upon written request and demonstration by the applicant, the planning and zoning commission may consider a waiver or partial waiver from requirements of this subchapter in specific cases where owing to special conditions of the subject property, a literal enforcement of the provisions of the subchapter may not be physically obtainable or the requirement does not appear to be reasonably applicable in the specific case or compliance with the requirement would result in an undesirable situation. And in the commission's opinion, such a subdivision waiver would not be contrary to the public interest and would not destroy the intent of the provisions of this subchapter. Section 15.3 of the UDC outlines the

order of processes for a new subdivision within the city limits in ETJ. The process first requires a preliminary plan for the entire parent tract, which in general is the preliminary engineering of the subdivision and identifies any lot divisions, location of future streets and trails for the master mobility plan, utility extensions within approved utility assignments along with any necessary easements for those utilities to serve the subdivision, any public park land that may be proposed, and any phasing of the development. Following approval of the preliminary plan, the final plat process establishes one or more phases of the subdivision as noted in the preliminary plan to create a recorded document solidifying lot lines, easements, rightway, and boundaries of the subdivision. The final plat is not recorded until the public improvements necessary to serve the subdivision have been constructed and accepted by the city or fiscal is posted with the city by the applicant for the public improvements necessary to serve the final platted area. Per the subdivision process, construction plans are the third step in the process and finalize the engineering necessary for constructing the public improvements to serve the subdivision as noted in the approved preliminary plan and the respective final plat area. Once the construction plans are approved, the public infrastructure is constructed and ultimately accepted by the city. The UDC code allows for concurrent reviews provided the order of process is followed and the first round of review is conducted prior to submitting for the next process. Approval of each process is required sequentially. The city requires an approved preliminary plan and final plat for the entirety of the property before the proposed wastewater line may be installed. The city requests the applicant to obtain approval of a preliminary plan, final plat, and construction improvement plan for the property prior to installation of the proposed wastewater line. While staff understands that there are costs for the applicant associated with

the subdivision process, based on the review of the applicant's request and the current UDC code, the request does not qualify under the exemption provisions outlined in se section 15.1.4C 4C of the UDC. Therefore, staff does not support the granting of a subdivision waiver. The applicant is here as well.

Have to talk. Um, okay. Thank you, Dr. Turk. Um, I guess we'll start then. All right. This is not a a discussion. Um, okay. So, recommending uh denial of the requests. Okay. So, was the is the issue here that they're they're kind of trying to um cut out some of the the preliminary subdivision steps so they can just go straight to building the wastewater line without having to do the subdivision process first. That is correct. They want to start with the construction plan um and not with the preliminary plan and final plat since they want to focus specifically on the construction of the wastewater line. Okay.

Have they provided a reason for that? speak. The applicant would like to speak. Uh yeah, I think we'd like to hear from that. [clears throat]

All right. Hi, Blake Reed. Um I work with the land owner, developer. Um so the the main the main issue we have here is it's a large piece of property. We don't exactly know what we want to do with it. We just know um we're trying to build restaurants and retail up on the north end and every restaurant or retail group we talk to says they're not going to sit around and wait on us to go through this whole process so they go somewhere else. Um and so really we're just trying to bring sewer to the northern end of the property. Going through the platting process makes sense if you know what you're doing on a smaller piece of property maybe this is like 300 acres and we have zero idea what's going to happen on it. know going through the platting process um in in our opinion is a total waste of time, money. Um we we have engineered plans already. Travis County has already pretty much accepted them outside of SH Flugerville agrees. Uh this entire section is in the county. So it'll be a county road. We are well aware that building this line sets the alignment of the roadway. And you can see there we we have the water shown on the other side. We we plan only on building the wastewater in order to do commercial development uh on the north end and um generally the plats expire. So we'd have to go do plats we'd have to get to them approved through Travis County as well and then they expire two years later and so it's just then we just have to start again.

Okay. I I guess I have a question. Um, what's stopping you from potentially like putting the improvements in and platting and using that to bring in the restaurants? Well, we we'd have to plat the entire 300 acres and come up with land uses and lot lines and we don't even know what restaurants would So, we don't even know what the lot lines would look like at this point up on the north end until we have users that we're working with. So from y'all's perspective, it's it's really challenging to get interested parties without having the utilities in place.

Correct. And I I just had that conversation with your economic development man over there, old Jerry, just a second ago. It it's uh and I we also are do a lot in Hut in different areas and I I've spoken to several people that would come here, but instead they went to Hut, went to other places. Um they like this area. That's just that it'll probably set us back two to three years of time going through this process. I mean the um the actual facilities that would get built wouldn't get built until after the platting and subdivision process is done anyways, right? Uh we No, we'd go ahead and build it and have the line in the ground.

A potential partner or tenant or something like they wouldn't be able to build a restaurant here until the other subdivision process has been done anyways, right? You can't uh correct just for that front area. that that we wouldn't have to do the subdivision process over the entire 300 acres. It's multiple different lots and different family partnerships. Um so there's also different owners of different property within that 300 acres. Okay. So the the part that's being being kind of obstructed at the moment is um just being able to start talking to potential tenants and u and businesses that would want to build here. that it well having the sewer line would give them guarantees the utilities are there in existence.

Then they'd have everything they need and then it's just platting just the the frontage area up there. Uh which at that point in time you would know what the shape plats need to be, how the access will work. you'd be working all that out as a developer instead of just blindly guessing and then having to come back and redo it after it expires or redo it anyways because you just made something up just to satisfy checking a box.

So just for clarification sorry just for clarification for um the commission because the way that the code reads there would still have to be a preliminary plat. So you would even to get the final plat on the north end for service you would still have to preliminary that entire parent tract. So, it's going to have to be platted at some point. Um, I believe in our discussions, part of it was that you would have to do a TIA, but I believe most of this is going to be commercial either. Granted, it's in the county, but um, commercial land uses, but at least know some of them would be commercial land uses if you're talking to restaurants and more retail. Um, we would need to make sure that those lines are sized appropriately for those types of uses. But again, it does um, set that right ofway. um it does set that line because we need to make sure that those lines are not under the street and they're again sized appropriately for all of the flow through there um not just the retail restaurants up on Flugerville Parkway

and is TIA just for sorry analysis okay cool just double checking which we would have to do when we do develop no matter what and uh we we our engineer has come up with the sizing it it matches the the downhill where we're meeting up with we're very confident it serves serves our property. So, um it's just going to limit us. You're stating you've actually talked to a wastewater engineer and they we have engineer plans. Yes. They're ready. I mean, we we want to build this line. So, are you making sure that you're coming up with the correct uh assumptions of flow? Yes, ma'am. We believe and then you have your tie in somewhere.

Uh we're tying into the existing stub in the Colorado Sands and the Lake uh Lakeside Meadows. And if there was a reality [clears throat] where those lines ended up needing to be moved or a different size or if there there was any issues with the design that would be at obviously it would be at our cost. It serves our property with the developers. So I don't see the city, you know, doing it. I mean we're building it. So okay. I'm a little curious how how the lines were sized and what the capacity was calculated on if we don't have any idea what the land use is going to be.

Well, uh we we just used our best assumptions of generally higher use um users. Okay. Um Okay. But you would have the same issue if I came with a McDonald's to put on that corner there, which I might not by the way. But you but you know my point is Okay. Okay. So now I have one restaurant user. I have to size the whole line and I'm just guessing. And so no matter what it's it's a ginormous guess that expires in two years and we have to start over. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. So I have a question for the city since um we've referenced expiring plats multiple times in this discussion. Is there any anything else we have for the applicant? Yeah. Um maybe. Maybe. Okay. All right. That's fine.

Is there a way to renew those expiring plats? Yes. Okay. And we don't expire them if they're in the process of being constructed. So, as long as there's the forward movement, it doesn't just expire the two years. We have That's what I thought. I was like, I feel like I've seen developers come up here with plots that were approved multiple years ago and they hadn't expired like and then you Yes. Correct. So, you could have them um technically, yes, they would hit the two-year mark, but as long as you've had other final plots, then that prelim is good then because you've had a final plot recorded. Um, you can also do revised preliminaries or if you're final plotting everything, you can come back in with a replot um to distribute those lots a little bit differently. Yeah.

So, what is the level of detail that's so that's ownorous to your project that you can't get um Well, right now our only project is building the sewer line to be ready to have a project. So, but you know, you want restaurants. Sure. But I don't know what size. I don't know if it's going to be a a big sit down restaurant. I don't know if it's going to be. So, if you don't know what size, how do you know what size pipe you need? Well, the the size of the sewer line is is based off of uh overall assumptions from our engineer on the break down of like what you need for specific and so they're probably going for the max or the general.

So, why wouldn't you just give the plat while you were at it in the preliminary and then that would be additional information to give to your potential um customers uh partners. Yeah. So, I'm thinking what he's thinking is that if they platted out and they plat out $40,000 40,000 square feet of retail and then they end up only getting 20,000 retail users and that's including restaurants. Um, then they have to redo their plant and engineers cost a little bit. They do. They do cost a little bit. I mean, they're worth it. Yeah. Not saying anything. Just so they'd rather take the risk on building the pipe than hiring the engineers multiple times. We we have hired engineers. This is engineered, right?

Yeah. But she means again and and again like you you've hired engineers for the pipe which you're going to do regardless of the order of operations. But if you're you don't want to hire an engineer to do a plat until you have committed. Well, a prime example is we have LAL 685 uh right that new Quick Trip. We sold them that Quick Trip did a plat. That plat is now expired and I'm trying to do two more deals right next to Quake Trip right now. But now I have to redo the plat because it's expired. So it was inactive for two years. It was active for two years. Yes. But in act No, I mean if was it in Flugerville? Yeah, just right down street 685. Yeah, good point. It's only that's only Flugerville. [laughter] It hasn't changed. It's not death. So

it it is possible to extend plats. Uh but they they do get to a point where they expire if you're not moving quickly. And we are not actively moving quickly until we have something to act on. We are wanting to put a sewer line in to be able to create activity to bring something good to the area. We're hopefully targeting restaurants and uses that we've been told by council and other individuals uh that the city wants.

Great. Uh thank you. Uh Dr. Turk, I got a question for you. So when it comes to uh placing the line, it looks like I think the road has is the road RO already been established through that parcel. Do we know exactly where it is? Have y'all done all that? I believe No, it has not yet been um completed. So that's one of the concerns from the engineering group is that the wastewater line, if it goes in, it does set that um line for the city. So, it may not be at the best location for where the city is depending on topography that we don't know because we don't have that information um at this time.

Okay. And then um it looks like there's an interior boundary that isn't labeled. So, I my assumption is that's intended for single family of some sort. Uh the interior boundary is uh the city limits inside of that and the entirety of the sewer line would be outside of the city limits including it be a county road. Gotcha. Thank you. Um, but it's ETJ, correct? Yes. So, eventually we'll end up

So, just to make sure I'm understanding and other folks as well if people have questions in their mind, is kind of the main points of risk from the the city's perspective related to roads that'll need to go in. They're setting a line, but the line is through the property in which they are expecting to develop, but if there was ever changes needed from their plans on platting, they would pay for that or have to make those adjustments. What What are the kind of big risks from the city's mine and if this waiver was approved?

Mainly, I believe it's going to be the Colorado Sand alignment because that has not yet been set. So allowing the waste water to come through in an abnormal cycle um when we've got it all codified of how the platting process and development process works allowing it to jump from that typical um process would be a little awkward only because we don't know what the rest of it's going to look like. So if we set a street alignment because of a wastewater line with the street not going in anytime soon um we don't know where those curb cuts need to be. So if we put it in it would just be curbs all the way down. don't know how that development is going to end up occurring.

Along those same lines, it looks like on the drawing there's some there's some really faint lines that look like they might be your crossovers or tie-ins to Flugerville Parkway and then 130. So, is is that um do those align do those markings align with anything that's set by the city in terms of streets that navigate kind of I guess what is that west to north through that? You see those two point out that line right there? I see those. Yeah. And then over here sewer hasn't raised that align with that. There's also blue. Keep in mind we're not building the road right now. So the the road intersections where the breakoff could can change and the sewer line won't really Can you come up to the microp?

Sorry. Uh when we do build the road in the future, uh you can have roads coming off it anywhere along it. Uh it won't necessarily the sewer line won't really affect that. Yeah, I think kind of the what we're trying to figure out here is is whether the the risk on paper or the um the hardship on paper is worth granting an exception for. Um I think the the things that have to do with just construction risk and building infrastructure before you know exactly what's going to be there, it kind of exists anyways. And I think they'd be able to build the line and do whatever they wanted to if they just put a plat down. Um, so that's it seems to me like the only real difference one way or the other is whether or not they have to go through the process of showing a plat that

aligns with um aligns with the the sewer sizing and locations that they'd like to build it in. I think the the biggest challenge is time pressure, right? And you know the the thing that we've run into over the last you know the five years that I've been doing this is that there's constantly time and pressure and things and and there's always something happening and flugerville is late to the party in terms of development etc.

Um but you know the what strikes me is that the houses are already there. The people are already there. So the time pressure it's not it's not like oh if if this doesn't get built then these people aren't going to have this thing. It's no the people are already there. Um, and so if if this particular piece of property has been under consideration or been under ownership for years, then like those are considerations that could have been addressed in the past. And so, you know, for me, especially with considerations to all the work that was done with Aspire 2040 and establishing these processes in place, you know, just just follow the process that's necessary because the other stuff is going to be required in the future anyway. And then ultimately once that those those challenges are met then the people will be served at the appropriate time. Um because as as he was saying a second ago, it's still going to take, you know, from today, right? Uh I don't know, a year or two to get that line in the ground and serviceable and then another you can probably co-develop simultaneously another year or two or three to get a restaurant or two or three or four in that area. Um but but you know those things take time and then and then the ultimate impact is the the real challenge with the road tie-ins right and the sewer tie-ins and then what happens to the rest of it. Um because you know the while restaurants and everything would be great at that north end by HB whereas as soon as you could possibly get them you know really the where we see our housing issues and other commercial services issues and the pace of development that that'll meet the needs of the people that that live in live around here. So um anyway it's just my thoughts.

Yeah. I don't know. I guess it how does this work with like the company that we had last month come in and say how can we make things cheaper to make things bigger, better, beautiful and less like spend less time on it. I mean it seems like he's kind of doing that by adding water and waste water. So I mean I do understand about roads and figuring out. So yeah. Well, I think I think the challenge is is if if there's a process in place and the process uh is not suitable to all people and it should be changed, right? Right. But why I mean genuinely like why does the process change ad hoc,

right? You know, and if that's the case, if it's a bad process, then we change the process. Yeah. I think it might be possibly a cost prohibitive process for some and I I support and there's a lot of sums. Yeah, I so not just like one sum, right? I support that but I think our our our position here at the planning and zoning commission is to take into consideration the impact of the city, not necessarily the cost to individuals. Correct. Well, in but there is an impact to the city

and to jump. Yeah, there is an impact to the city and I I do get really nervous about putting a sewer line in without a plan and the sewer line and the engineers that designed it are expensive and the people who do the plats are expensive. But why did you why did why would you put something permanent and physical and you know probably millions of dollars of concrete into the ground before you had a plan? So I and I haven't really heard a compelling reason. Well, that's a developer risk, right? And like anybody anybody takes that risk, anybody that chooses to develop anywhere, especially in Flugerville,

we admire, right? That's it's tough to do. It's risky and um and all those things, but you know, our our job at this as this commission is to make sure that we're aligning with the planning and zoning goals and uh directives that that we've all participated in setting. And so, like I said, if there's a process that needs to be changed and we change the process, right, to make it more accommodating for anybody who comes forward, correct, to bring a project, you know, as applicable to their their condition.

Um, you know, and that and it's tough because, you know, I identify with wanting to have more things faster, quicker, etc. Um, but I just think that if if the process needs to be reexamined, that's where I would encourage our staff who spent considerable time doing this to really Yeah. dial in and figure out was is the process flawed? I see. Yeah. And I see it right because I I'm thinking, oh well, it's going to get hopefully affordable retail and affordable housing because we're getting pressure

cheaper. It's not cheap to build water either or to get water, but it's cheaper now than it may be four years from now. So, I'm seeing a cost benefit, but also we have rules and regulations. Well, and if it ends up being in the wrong place, moving it is a heck of a lot more expensive for them. Not well. And I think you also have to consider the fact that if the line goes in, if the say the line goes in, then it impacts future decisions about what the city wants to do because the the okay, now that now that's in there, well, we don't want to be in the position of having to rip that out or cause disruption to a restaurant that got built there and now it has to be ripped out and they're going to be down for business for six months. And that's not good. That's not

And you could argue that that's a really good way to I don't I'm not accusing anyone of doing that, but it is a good way to circumvent the process of planning to say, well, it's already in and it's already there and it's and I know you don't like it, but it's already there. Tearing it down is a lot harder than approving it when it's on paper. Yeah, I think this would be a great um like study for the company that came in and chatted with us. I can't remember their name all of a sudden, but um for the UDC. Yeah, for the UDC, we can certainly take those comments back

because it seems like they would be able to work with developers and like chat with them and the city at the same time and come up with like a game plan to figure out how we're not saying no or yes to something that may really hinder and we can also look at providing that predictability but also the speed in the process as we go through the UDC. Certainly, we can do that. Um, I will say in the time that we've looked at any of the subdivision waiverss, it's the first time we've been asked for this. Okay. So, this is a little bit different. Most of the times it's been um a different waiver of block lengths or something. Um you had one come through in April that was a little bit different and it's I mean nice for us that we get to hear it [clears throat and laughter] and that we get to say hey was here yesterday with Kster or Kister. We had a freezer Nichols.

Freezen Nichols. Yeah. Sorry. I work with a few so I don't know anymore. Um, so it would be nice to bring that up to them because this is obviously an issue and maybe maybe because nobody else go maybe because other engineers go we can't do it because of X Y and Z. Maybe it'd be great if Fluggerville changed some of that and we can certainly look at all of that with the UDC and have those bigger conversations and maybe it's an alternate process when it's something like this to where and that's pretty much where the subdivision waiver comes in is right they have the ability to ask but then we're still seeing some issues with the street alignment or

um even knowing I think the original request came in six months ago. So then if we are still working through the process of okay that doesn't work with the process and then six months later we've got the application um in to be able to present to you right um time is money and that was six months that we could have had right one also thing on the consideration just like they've got they've got some kind of conceptual road drawn in here right and and looks great makes a lot of sense but you know if the city says well we actually want the road to come down and snake over and do this because we're trying to limit speed on that road or trying to create more opportunities for development or you know we want it to look a different way or how however it's platted.

Um I think that's a you know where the where the lines go sets where people go. Correct. Right. And and the city is is very much invested in where the people go. The lines are underneath all that. And I think the the challenge we have, especially as we as we kind of start closing out our last large parcels that are in the really easily developed, you know, near desirable land as opposed to way out far on the EastJ. Correct.

Um just from accessibility and and traffic and potential future use, then, you know, our our responsibility absolutely lies with the city to say like, well, okay, let's let's just follow the process on on things like this. If it was if it was further out, right, I could imagine this conversation be a little differently, but since we have a Colorado Sand tie in that will ultimately be as busy most likely as 685. Like I could see that being a four-lane divided. And that's that's also why isn't why don't we have an like a future plan for Colorado? Why? We do. That's years or I don't know about the plan. It's not designed yet, but I mean isn't that one of the bond roads, bond projects? I don't believe so.

Is it not? It's not. Just kidding. The northern part was Okay. So, Colorado Sands, just not this part of Colorado Sands. Got it. Okay. So, it seems like the city should start chatting about Colorado Sands, but the way to do that is to get it flat. Correct. There you go. So, I think a lot of the a lot of the hang-up here is about timing. It seems to be kind of the thing that's that's motivating the waiver request and the thing that maybe is um that that some of us are saying, "Yeah, that's that's a pretty reasonable request is do things quicker, develop it faster." Right?

So, just to make sure that we're all working with the same data point here, what how much time is being saved if it's granted for going through that process like the the parts they're skipping? What like a normal for this size project, how long do you think that would take? So because it's not really a skip, it's more of a move it in front and then you'd still have to come back and plat. It's really just moving where that would be done in the process. Okay. Um essentially, but I mean our timelines are all the same. Um typically it's a 15-day business day upfront, then 10 days for each subsequent submitt, but we also do offer expedited review in the code. I believe that was added a few years ago. So we do that as well.

Um so I can't really say usually. I mean I know that um both the planning and engineering teams, bless you. um do respond within our time frames. Um just in a quick audit, doesn't look like we miss those time frames. Um so for that, I would say that if there are slowdowns, typically it's not going to be on the city side. It's going to be more on the residdle. Once you get your comments back, they've got work to do to resubmit. Um

so it' be fair to say that maybe around a month to 60 days would be a long enough range. There may be conversations that we should have with engineering just if we know that the area is going to be commercial, then what does that TIA look like? Do we actually need to have a full TIA or is it more of a statement of yes, we're going to meet our peak trip hours of 2,000?

Do we need the full TIA or what would um the other uses be? Does building the roadway right now make sense if it dead ends essentially right behind the um existing HB over there? um is that going to impact anything off of Ballatin and the 130 corridor um to have those homes come out to be able to access that retail or would it make more sense to go ahead and start building the road and what would that impact be or what would those roadway impacts end up paying for? So there's a lot of might reduce traffic too at the same time. Correct. So there's a lot of those considerations of not just where the roadway goes but who needs to use the roadway and is the impact necessary for somebody. So let me ask you a different question about platting. So, uh, you still have to plat it no matter what. Correct.

At some point. So, and it's 325 acres. Can it be platted in, uh, 300 acres and then 25 acres and then it's replatted at a certain point? So, the or you could prelim it out like that and then just have the final plot be that northern lot and then just revise a prelim later. Um, and once that final plot is recorded, I believe the code says that your prelim doesn't expire. Um there may be things that change within the code as far as that may not be vested at that point which I would need to look into a little bit further just to know the exact you know a lot of times he's leaning like he has a it does expire. I don't know of one that we've expired on.

Um [clears throat] I know our uh we we've had that issue before. You had a recorded final file. Okay. I can look into that one. Well, so I guess what I'm getting at is if you have this this whole big piece, right? And then and then the restaurants or whatever the retail is going to be right up here at the end of the line, which is what it seems like has been is what they're proposing. So if that's a final plat recorded and it's, you know, five acres with, you know, two big sitdowns and then three drive-throughs, right? Yeah. It's probably six acres. Then that becomes final and then the rest still is in preliminary. And so then that could still be cut up.

Yeah. Or or if it was a final plot, then you would just replplot. I've seen replats come through in a prior lifetime that I think we were in our 12th replat. I've seen we've seen ros

but is but see like that that's another aspect of that too. So if you if you so to get that final plat though to get the sewer line in there that would end up with that would go to the roadway and you'd know where that is and you all be it would all go through all that and then you'd have the final and that wouldn't take more than 30 or 60 extra days to get to there and then the rest remains untouched and then could be cut up for industrial use or single family or retail or or as needed and the line would then be in place. We'd know where the roads were going to be. We know where the stubs were going to be. know where the curbs are going to be and all that stuff. Correct.

A developer would still take the risk of sizing the line. Uh I mean according to the city's guidelines, but if they don't want to show what they expect to be there and it's misized, then it's, you know, they're the ones that are going to have to go in and resize it or do something different or be stuck with what they have. But then the city has the information they need to continue with their civil projects that are related to it and impacted by it. It's the timing and then just being locked in, although it's not really locked in because you can revise it.

Well, those 300 acres that you have, um, are you dedicating any of that for [clears throat] Colorado Sands to give back to the city? Because I know some developers do that to make things work smoothly. Uh, that hadn't been a conversation piece. We was working on getting the sewer and then Yeah, because [cough] our thought [clears throat] was the road would be built as things develop down. So, we're not looking at building the road at this time. Okay. Because I mean, I think that would I've I've had a developer um you know, give rights and then like carve out six or eight acres to make the road and then obviously the city saves money with the developer doing that. Sure. We've done that. We've done that in the past.

Yeah. I mean, have you brought [clears throat] that to your Have you brought that to the city and chatted with them about that? Uh we hadn't gotten that. Then you could potentially redo this whole meeting in January with going I'm going to dedicate Colorado Sands and then city goes, "Yep, great." Brings it to us and we're like, "Yeah, that works because we're changing out the DUDC code and we're trying to make everything match together to make everything cheaper and faster, better, and stronger." Just a thought. I don't know if you guys are desperately trying to get rid of property, but city of Flugerville love it. Are you speaking for the city?

I'm speaking for the city. I know I'm not, but I'm just saying like it just makes everything cheaper. I actually we are the city. I'm We're resident here. So, I mean, if you can save some of my tax dollars, that'd be great because I'm sure we're going to come to your retail centers and spend money. Well, the Timbermans have over the years donated quite a bit of land. I [laughter] mean, what I'm saying, it's not uncommon for developers to dedicate roadway. So, there's definitely some conversations that we still have if they had not yet. Yeah. And those are all good things that can happen during that process that that they're asking the waiver for. So, it's all it's all part of the existing existing process. Um,

it does help when the UDC codes change that we also like talk about parkland, talk about roadways, and make sure that all of those are syncing together and we don't have like an old code out there and then we're stuck. We we did actually donate the the Colorado sands and is existing. Okay, awesome. So, I think we've heard from everybody on the commission here that wants to speak. Any other comments from our side? Any other questions for applicant or the city? Uh yeah, one question. How quickly can the applicant come back to us or go through the process with you to come back to to revisit this particular item?

If we want to revisit um I don't believe there's anything in the code that says this is not similar to a variance where if it was denied then I don't believe it's more of a waiver. I don't believe there was anything that I read in the code that said you couldn't come back and reerequest and if it was slightly different I think we could make the argument if the request was different that we have something different to present. I think if it was the same request, we would not want to bring it back um on an agenda just, hey, it's the same thing. Lather, rinse, repeat. Um but if it was something new where we've had those conversations and maybe we've been able to work something out or hey, we now know the alignment and this is what we're willing to do. Maybe there's a separate development agreement, things like that, then maybe that would be um I think then it would be a separate request and I think we could make the argument.

All right. Thank you. Then I think we'll uh we probably do a motion here. And so the city recommended denial. So whoever makes the motion, please make that clear which uh which way the motion is. Motion to approve. Wait, did you want to did you want to approve the waiver or deny? Motion to align with the city recommendation to not approve the waiver. I will second the motion to deny the waiver. All right. So then good wording. All in favor of denying the request. I I

Any opposed to denying the request? Okay. Hearing none. That passes unanimously as well. Well, hey, waiver is denied. [laughter] Yeah, we'll just um I also do we have anybody else that wanted to speak on 4A? We can't change the decision, but uh be happy to hear any other public comments if there are if it's the K uh the K. So if you had any questions, we can reopen and recall the public hearing if you had any questions or comments. I just I live right next to it. So I just wanted to Yeah. You want to reopen?

I can move to reopen public hearing. Okay. On 4 A, I move, I have a motion and a second. Okay. Uh, all in favor of reopening the public discussion on 4A. I Any opposed? Okay.

Hello, my name is Jimmy Turk, 700 Kane. Lived there since 1978. Um, Old Man Warner when he sold the lots, he put in his contract single home each lot. And I think there's currently seven homes in that neighborhood and six of them are still I mean all seven are single homes. It's a cult and then we have this one lot now that they've only owned for a year and they want to make more houses out of it which I understand that's fine. One house is fine, but if they want to do five or six, you know, that'll increase the traffic. And this is a culde-sac. And then you have six other homes that are three acre lots that are single family homes. I'm just concerned about the traffic. Um cuz we already have the tea place and the pop shopping center. So getting in and out of Kane is horrible already.

So that's all I have. I just wanted to voice that and let y'all know that, you know, there are six other families that live on that culde-sac and traffic is already bad. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else that'd like to speak on the same topic?

As a reminder, please state your name and address for the record. Hing revol 604 605 kane I live right next to him and I'm also concerned about the traffic and um also concerned if there's a lot of traffic there that you need to put a traffic light on that that corner need to open that street you know I [snorts] don't know how that's going to work out um um there's no sewage a proper su I mean there's there's no no water collection system in there. So if you put multiple homes in that in that area then you know that's going to be a congestion issue uh based on what it is. That's all I have.

Thank you. Thank you. And this will come before city council, right? It does as well. There will be a separate hearing on this item and then u we do have staff uh you wanted staff to answer after the public hearing is closed. Um just to reiterate the lot size because it it cannot be um you know the multiple houses it was less than a half acres. So with the lot sizes right now I think that may help alleviate some of the concerns but certainly we do have staff here that can answer. So it's two and a half acres right now. Correct. And then they're going to make it two. So S does um halfacre lots. Yeah. I think they did request the largest lot size requirement possible for the updated zoning.

Right. Yeah. So, anybody with with concerns on this item should definitely uh speak to the city representatives here or any other business day, but I would say that they did intentionally pick the I I understand your concerns. I also live on a culde-sac um and have kids. Um, but it is it in reading through the materials for the for the packet for this, I I would say that they did intentionally pick uh as they're updating the zoning for this this lot that it is the fewest houses per acre option available. So, and it's a minimum lot size of a half acre, right? That's what we said earlier. Yeah. Okay.

Do we have to close public? Yeah. Move to close public to speak on this one. Uh I'll take a motion to close the public hearing again on 4 A. So moved. Second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay. So we'll reclose the public hearing on that one. And just a reminder that it already had passed. So it will go to city council.

Okay. So then uh skipping back to the last item in section five which is 5B res 1378. Hear from Kristen. All right. Good evening, chair um chair and commission. Tonight we're going to go over the community development block grant consolidated annual performance evaluation report. Um also known as the caper. Um so this is a report that is submitted annually and it lists all of the accomplishments in progress towards the consolidated plan goals for the last program year. Um so for program year 2024 this year um we continued to work on the design for Parkway Drive um which has turned um to be more complicated than originally anticipated. So plans are taking longer but we are making progress towards completing those with construction um and the later this year later next year um but still in this program year um [clears throat] we also completed the street light program which brought the infrastructure for new street lights which within the edge and windmir subdivisions. um that infrastructure has been completely um installed and is ready for Encore who has rightaway permits in with the city to install those lights um throughout those uh block groups. Um it also saw a continuation of the youth and senior scholarships with 19 total residents. We had 17 youth and two seniors um utilize the scholarship this year for programs through the parks and wreck as well as memberships to the park and recreation. um the recreation center. Um we also partnered with workforce again this year to fund six

residents for uh workforce training as well as uh providing um support to them in the form of gas cards or bus fair to get to their trainings um in and around the Austin area. Um total this year we expended $34,316 um to um CDBG dollars towards um programs and um projects that help the low to moderate income residents in our um within our city. Um so the next steps for this um from tonight will be to go to city council next week for a recommendation of approval and we'll it will be submitted to HUD by the end of the month for them um to meet their deadlines and then we'll go from there. Um we've Yeah. Yeah. Any other questions?

Are there any uh kind of lessons learned from this year that that you guys will take into next year to do anything differently? Um so going forward with [clears throat] um the 2025 annual action plan, we have um not chosen to take forward um the workforce solution um program at this time. It is not um meeting the um parameters that we were looking at. there is um the ability to bring that back later um once we have um a more established um I can't think of the word um relationship with them and and to move forward so that can come back. Um and then we are also going to be reaching out to our senior centers um in this city as well as the um we have um a few places that have housing for seniors. Um and then also promoting it more on our social medias and things like that to get out the new senior scholarship. This was the first year that we've had it. Um it did not get as utilized as we would like. So, we are going to really push that out and promote it more um by reaching out and finding them in the community where they are instead of having them come to us.

Sounds like a good idea. Yeah. Have you figured out or thought about how to do that? Um so, we have with ouride program [clears throat] um one of our other um planning staff members went out to those senior living. They provided me with that list. I will be doing the same thing. I will be going to them, offering presentations, providing them with the flyer that will get them to the application and things like that. So, that has worked really well for the Veteride program. So, we're going to mirror it for the recreation scholarships. That's really smart. Nice. Send out letters.

Um, we haven't um we could, but we we haven't sent them out to block groups. Um we've partnered with the school district before to get those out. Um that has been a little tough because the school district has more residents than just those who are who live in the city and the scholarship is just for those that live within the city. And so it has brought more traffic to us but not always those um that are part of the ISD but also in the city and meet the income requirements.

Correct. Um we do have um a block group that has an elementary school. So we will be targeting that elementary school as well um because it is firmly within our block group. So we um there is a reasonable um assumption that um we will target a lot of um residents there. So we are going to reach out to that um elementary school as well.

And are you but the senior citizens are not in senior centers are you reaching out how are you reaching out to them? Um, so we have the flyer at the rec center as well and rec staff is aware of it. So when if they um come to the rec center there, they can see it. Um, we also have social media that it will our comm's department will be putting it out to social media um there as well. It sounds like y'all are doing a really good job keeping things in alignment with the federal priorities right now, which is a good way to manage a grant right now and has a lot of implications on what you do in 2026. So, kudos. I know it's not been easy this year.

Yes. All right. Any other questions, comments? All right. I'll uh accept a motion then to approve the item. So moved. Second. All right. Um all those in favor? I I. Any opposed? Okay, that motion passes. Thank you. Okay. Uh I think this is our last scheduled meeting of the year. So just want to say thank you to other commissioners and especially big thank you to all the city staff and everything. So I think you all did a great job this year and uh hopefully it'll be great next year as well. Um

yeah, thank you so much. I know volunteering takes a lot of time and it is often thankless. So, thank you so much for actually taking time out of your lives to help make Flugerville better. Um, as a resident for almost 20 years, it does mean a lot. So, um, and now I get to be staff, too. But it does it means a lot to see how well um, the boards actually look at all of the issues and have thoughtful discussions. So, thank you so much and looking forward to next year. And if you want to reapply, reapply. We have four openings. Um, and of course we also have a ton of other boards. So if you are um happen to be coming off of this board because you get termed out, we also have other things you can do with the city. I know we're losing two. We lost one already. We decided to

and then certainly Yeah, if you need more family time, I fully understand that as well. Hey kids, are you listening? [laughter] Let me adjourn the meeting at 8:04. Thank you. All right. Thank you.