Planning and Zoning Board - Regular Meeting

One: Planning and zoning board for January 8 to order. Will you call the roll, Marlene, please? Member Alloy? Here. Member Gonzalez? Doris Gonzalez? Present. Member LeBate? Present. Vice Chair Goldich?

Present. Here.

Chair Linda Gonzales? Here. Alternate member Jones? Here. Alternate member Zacharias? We have a quorum. Thank you. Anyone have any forms to submit, disclosure forms? No? Okay. Do you have any corrections to the December 11 meeting minutes?

Actually, yeah, because only that I don't know if I read this wrong or not, but oh, maybe I did read it wrong. Okay. I could have sworn it said October. Okay. Oh, never mind.

No? So there are no corrections to the minutes. Can I have a motion to approve the minutes on December 11 meeting? Motion to approve. Can I have a second?

Second.

Motion made by Doris Gonzalez, seconded by Rosalie Labate. All those in favor? Aye. Motion passes unanimously. We have one item on the consent agenda.

Could we pull that, please? Could we pull that, please?

Okay.

I hadn't asked that yet. But yes, you can pull it. Are there any members of the public who would like to speak on this item first? Okay. Well, are you making a public comment? Are you presenting your Okay.

It. You don't have to be here.

You've to come up here, please.

You have to put

the mic on, please. It's not on.

Thank you. I'm here to answer any questions the committee may have as to the application. My name is Anthony Rodriguez. I'm from the law firm of Goldberg Scholar. We represent BJ's Wholesale.

Do you want me to go? Okay.

Member Jones. No,

I just really, any time there, just for future reference for staff, any time that any business has just gone ahead and done the work without getting prior approval, I'm going to pull it if it's on the consent agenda because it's not very sunshiny, I think. So I'm always going to pull anything where they've gone ahead and done the work. Was there a reason they didn't get the approval beforehand?

My understanding is that BJ's submitted this development application as a means of rectifying a violation. The violation was indepartent. BJ's did not intend in any way to proceed unpermitted with work at the store. But they have been in contact with the senior planner here, Mr. Williams, regarding the application and that this was a means of rectifying the issue was to submit this unified application before the board today.

Certainly BJ should know to get prior approval. But could you tell me why they chose such a bold color? The building was mostly all white before or light color. They put a very bold stripe all the way around.

Do you know

how that came about?

That's an internal initiative BJ's has with all their stores. They are looking to keep the stores in line with their corporate logo and branding. As you can see, red stripe and white overlay that is consistent with BJ's corporate colors. This is uniform amongst all the BJ's stores throughout Florida. And it's been part of the corporate initiative. I believe it began early last year.

Because this red is much deeper. It doesn't really show in the photograph as much. But if you go there, it's deep a kind of brownie red. And there have other signage, like the BJ's initials itself. And then there's some other signage that was literally placed by the door on top of it that's brighter red that is a little questionable together with the deeper reds. I was wondering how that came about.

So you're objecting to the color choice? Is that what you're objecting to?

I'm just asking about things I would have asked if they had come in before.

It's over and done with.

Does any of the other members have questions about this item?

Yes. I

have one question. Member Goldich?

So just to be clear, you guys have already painted.

Work has already been done. Yes. Work has already been done.

You guys have already cited them. It's already been taken care of, right?

Correct. They're here after citation. Then

I make a motion to accept.

Second. Seconded Motion to by

Before we close this off, can we just get a guarantee or some verbal acknowledgment that in the future, before any changes, you'll come to us before that?

Absolutely.

Even if it's a corporate national incentive.

Yes, absolutely. This is something that we've dealt with internally. Thank you.

Do you second it? Yes, ma'am. Motion made by Member Goldish, seconded by Member Lawoy. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion passes unanimously. You can leave your colors up. Thank you. Thank you.

We'll get right along. Numbers two and three. Two, three, four, and five are quasi judicial items. And if anyone will be speaking on any of these, they need to be sworn in by the city attorney. On this, right?

It goes into the record. But you can mention it. You could read it. I read it last time. For

the record, if we could just swear, anybody who who's going to be speaking on items this is two or three for Memorial Manor.

I guess not.

Do you swear or affirm those who claim to speak, testimony to give you the truth and nothing but the truth this evening?

I do.

And if I could also add, Madam Chair, for the record, there are two quasi judicial affected persons forms submitted for each of the two applications, both item two and item three. Both forms will be provided into the record as part of the quasi judicial record. Thank you.

Evening. Duane Dickerson on behalf of the applicant, attorney with the law firm, Misko Backman, offices at 14 Southeast 4th Street in Boca Raton. Happy New Year. I haven't seen you all yet, so I hope all is going well so far. As you know, this is a continuation of a variance request actually multiple variance requests, I believe, your last planning and zoning board hearing.

Based

on some of the feedback that was received at that hearing and subsequent to that hearing and working with staff, I wanted to briefly kind of go through the applications that we're asking for this evening and hopefully make it very clear what we're requesting. And then I also want to tell you what we've done since last hearing based on the feedback that we received. So this is hopefully a user friendly chart of all the variances that we're asking for. So the way it's broken down is there are essentially two different facilities on this campus. One is the emergency center or standalone emergency facility.

And then the other one is what we call Memorial Manor, which is a skilled nursing and rehabilitation facility. So because of that and the segregation of those uses on the site, different signage and different access sign and monument signs is appropriate to make sure that we're designating the location and access to the different facilities within the campus. And so as it's set up, the emergency room facility is one site. And so your code allows for a certain amount of signage, total sign square footage per site. So the first variance that we ask for is ZV twenty twenty Five-eighteen.

And that's for the emergency facility monument sign. Your code allows for each monument sign to be a maximum of 24 square feet, and we're asking for a variance to allow for that monument sign the emergency facility to be 43.57 square feet. So that's variance number 18. The companion variance dealing with that monument sign for the emergency facility is zoning variance ZV twenty twenty five-twenty. And once again, that is the variance that deals with the total amount of signage that you can have for a site.

In the city, you're allowed up to 120 total square feet, And we are asking for additional square footage for all of our signs. And so that is ZV20 20. And we'll go through them individually in a second. But I just wanted you to see the big picture. And then the next sign is the Memorial Emergency Care sign.

That's one of the signs on the primary facade. And that sign needs two variances. One is that same 20 based on the total square footage that's permitted for the emergency site at 120 square feet. And then the second component of that is to allow for two primary signs on the facade that are more than 60 square feet. The code says on a primary facade, you are allowed to have a maximum of 60 square feet.

We have two signs on our primary facade that total about 88 square feet. So that is that variance dealing with 21. So then the next sign is our emergency sign, and it has with the memorial glove on it. That's once again that variance number 20 that goes into the 120 total or exceeding the 120 total. And then same thing.

That is the second sign that's on the primary facade, and that's the second sign that totals the 88 square feet instead of the 60 that's permitted by code. And then the last two signs are emergency canopy and our ambulance canopy are two signs that also go into variance number 20 into the total square footage for the emergency facility site. Now a separate variance is dealing with the Memorial Manor monument sign. And it's the same section of the code. It's variance number 19.

But it allows for a maximum of 24 square feet. And we're asking for 43.57 square feet. So that is kind of how the zoning numbers match up to each of the variances that we're asking for. I know that there's a if you're a Miami Hurricane fan, there's a game on tonight, so I'm not going to read this whole slide. I'm a Florida Gator, but my heart is kind of I wouldn't mind if Miami won. I don't

know what's

wrong with me. But maybe it's just hometown. But anyway, so I'm not going to read through this. I think my colleague last meeting did a very thorough job of the code requirements and the justification. But as you know, this is a critical care facility.

So we have to have signage that allows our visitors, emergency responders, patients, and anybody that needs this facility to easily access it safely and quickly to not have confusion and be clear in terms of the signage and where they are to go. There are different entrances throughout this campus and each one of them needs to be signed properly and safely. So I'm happy to go through that specifically if you like, but I think that's been well established. This is the overall site plan, and this shows where each of the signs kind of go in relationship to one another. I believe you've seen this.

If we need to get into detail, I can. But I just want you to see there is a site plan. And each one of the signs lay out appropriately where they're supposed to. We do look at orientation. We do look at massing of the buildings and separation of signs. And all that's a part of the decision here. So this is the zoning variance 19. And this is the Memorial Manor monument sign where we're asking for this to be 43.57 square feet instead of 24 square feet provided by your code. Now, on the top, it was my understanding there were some questions about illumination and how the sign would look. So the top is an accurate rendering of what the sign looks like at night.

The blue in the background does not illuminate, just the lettering. And what we asked our renderer to do was add the headlights from the vehicle so you can get a frame of reference of the signs. They are not obnoxious. They don't spill over off of our property. Are very appropriate and proportional to what's required in terms of safety, but not doing anything that's obnoxious or spilling off of the sign.

So I think that's a very fair rendering so you can kind of get a frame of reference with the brightness. And the location of this sign is on the left side where red arrow is. This sign was initially proposed at over 60 square feet. When it came to you last time, As my understanding, that was probably your biggest concern. This sign has been reduced by almost 30%, and now we're requesting the 43.57. So I hope you would agree that that's appropriate. And we heard you loud and clear what it seemed like what your major concern was. Similar scenario here. This is the second monument sign emergency at 43.57 square feet. You can see the illumination.

You can see the location with the red arrow. And the sizing is consistent. Now this is variance 18, right? And then remember, this is for the emergency facility. So this then sign also goes into the total square footage for that site that we're asking for.

So that total is 163 square feet instead of the 100 and And so that's why you keep seeing variance 20 over and over again because it goes into that total pot of square footage. Okay. And these are the wall signs. Remember we talked about on the facade, the total square footage you can have is 60. These two signs collectively this one is the memorial emergency with the glove the total is about 88 square feet.

So that's the variance. It's not really the number, because your code doesn't really limit the number that you can have on the facade, but it does limit the total square footage. So with the two signs together, that's why we're asking for that variance to go from 60 total to about 88 square feet total. So that's those two variances tied to the sign.

And Wayne, what exposure, what direction is this sign facing? Is it facing south?

This is the west elevation.

This is the west elevation.

This is the west elevation of the building.

GREGORY And that's where this sign is showing right now?

GREGORY Correct. This is glowing on the west elevation. And that's a good point. If you look at it, on the top is in the day, and the bottom is at night. So I wanted you to be able to see what it would look like in terms of the brightness.

GREGORY But facing west, there is nothing for it to be seen from. And that's why I questioned the direction the last time we were here. If you put it on the south end of the building or the north end of the building, it's a very different exposure. But facing it west, it faces right into the community. And there's nothing there except the four buildings that are in the front and then a golf course behind it. So I don't understand the rationale for that exposure.

So on the west side, if you're coming into the site, you're facing the west side of the building. So once navigating from Douglas and you get on the site, it's critical for you to understand where you're going and you're coming

straight That's into the rationale for it?

Yeah. Yeah. So if you're coming in the West Side is if I'm coming off of Douglas and I'm heading into the buildings, that's what I'm going to see. So if I need to get to the emergency or if I'm in an ambulance and I need to get to the ambulance drop off, those signs highlight

Is there nothing on the south side of it that's going to be directing them into the building?

I think that what's proposed is the monument sign.

The regular monument sign is there. Right.

The two monument signs are perpendicular to Douglas. And if you're coming from the south heading north, you would identify those monument signs to enter the site. If you're going through a manner, the monument sign will direct you to the left. If you go in an emergency, you stay to the right. And then you enter the site and you see the signs on the building.

I just don't understand. I mean, understand what you're suggesting, that it's to be seen from the street driving in. But it's four stories high. And it's going to reflect right into DELL: the apartments, the buildings that directly across the street from it.

And that city has a point there. What can you do about it?

Right. GREGORY Well, I'll tell you what we have done about it, which I think eliminates that concern, is looking at the brightness of the sign and how the sign shines. And now with the technology of signage and lighting, signage and lights shine exactly where they're supposed to. They don't spill your city like most cities now. It's very particular about spillage of light or glare of lights. And you have very strong codes and photometric plans that require that not be the case. So in terms of the design of the site, and they call it the lumens, which is the measurement of the brightness of a sign, we make sure we do it technically appropriate DELL: so that it doesn't spill off or become a

What kind of lumens are you putting in on that? Do you know? Think

we have a

GREGORY Did you answer her question? I didn't hear that.

Yeah, yeah. To eliminate any glare or any nuisance to adjacent property owners.

JOSEPH I know, but you're saying you can't do anything about it? It's going to be that way?

JOSEPH Well, it identifies a significant component of the building. So in terms of its orientation, it is a critical sign that needs to be where it's located. But I think to eliminate any nuisance, we can make sure it doesn't shine in a way that impacts adjacent property owners. So that's what we were able to do in terms of the design of it, where the light shines, the brightness of it. Those are things we can do to eliminate any negative impacts. But in terms of the orientation and the location and what it identifies, really needs to be in that location based on this being a critical facility.

I appreciate you going with your team and listening to us because my main concern was the size of the signage, the monuments. They were, like you stated, over 60 square feet, and when the requirement is 24. So I really appreciate you listening, working it, and bringing it back to 43. That's a more acceptable number. So at least my concerns were met. Just want to share that.

GREGORY Thank you. Thank you. And Member LeBate, I understand your concerns. We don't like to be deferred. Obviously, projects want to move forward. But we understood your concerns. So they did look at those things. Our assigned consultant is here. If you have additional specific questions about the Lumens and stuff like that, we can definitely address that. But what I can tell you is that we really wanted to make sure and I know there was some outreach to Holly Brook. But we really wanted to make sure that that community adjacent to us was not impacted by the sign. It is a critical facility, but it is in the community as well. So it has to have that balance. So with

And we are supportive of We are in support of it. But there residents who are adjacent to that particular spot. And it does impact them. And particularly, it impacts, there are three buildings that are directly opposite the facility, plus our six story building. And I was concerned about the orientation of that emergency sign.

I thought it was on the southern exposure. And I'm sorry to hear that it's on the western exposure But of I was concerned about the southern exposure as well because that would impact the people in our high rise building there. So I guess maybe it's better that it's on the Western exposure. So maybe that may be a plus to it. But I am very concerned about the kind of lumens that are going to be on that particular sign. Because I think if reflect and flare into those units,

the level of the

building is above the three story buildings that we have. So it's a major concern. I could live with the monument signs at this point because they have been adjusted. But I'm a little bit concerned about that sign on the top of the building.

Sure. I have a question.

Ambira Goldich? Vice Chair Goldich. He walked away from you.

I know he did. He doesn't want to talk to me.

Order in the court.

Regarding GREGORY that

particular I'm trying to get some support here from staff.

GREGORY But regarding that particular sign, overall, it looks fine. But I understand what she's saying. Once it's constructed, once it's up and lit and when the building's finished, do you know if they're going to be able to go back and revisit the light that that sign emits and maybe be able to dim it down if they can? Do you know if

that's JOSHUA we were just talking about I think the picture may make the signs look a little bigger than they are. I mean, this one that you're seeing here, the memorial emergency sign with the glove is two feet eight inches high. And then this emergency sign is one foot ten inches high. So they're not obnoxious signs in terms of size. In terms of lumens, which is the technical Oh,

I've

never seen above my statements.

I've noticed that, yeah.

Yeah. But in terms of lumens, if you look, this emergency sign has approximately sixteen twenty lumens, which for a wall sign, I think any would sign tell you that that's a very modest in terms of brightness sign and is not one that's intended send light glaring off or be a nuisance. So I think you can always evaluate things once they're installed and work with your community if there is an issue. But based on the design and the technical components of the brightness of that sign, it was designed JOSHUA GREEN:

to not shine off or glare off onto adjacent properties or be any sort of nuisance. It would not, is what you're

Yes, it's not. It's actually designed DELL: that

way in terms of the brightness, the size of it, the location of it. It was designed to take that into consideration that we're in a community and to not be a nuisance.

Is the brightness adjustable or not?

That's a little bit above my pay grade. Can you adjust a bulb, or would you have to replace it? There's a dimmer bulb, and these will have dimmer in them? Oh, I like

Depending that. On the time of day, if it's dusk or night or whatever.

So our assigned consultant is saying these are dimmer bulbs. So I think there would be an opportunity to evaluate it if it became a nuisance.

It's GREGORY still an awfully big fine. It's like half the width of that side of the building.

Which one? This emergency? 22.

21. The one that Mosley was referring to.

Yeah, I think this building is approximately 150 feet wide. So I think in terms of proportionality, it's in line with the size of the building and not obnoxious. But I like the fact that we'll have dimmer bulbs. So there would be an opportunity to evaluate that. Have

any questions? The

existing building

Yes, sir.

We all know that's been there for forty years or so.

Yes, sir.

What's the difference of the and I know there's emergency sign on the existing building, I know old building, if you want

to call it that.

Right. Walk in what we used to call it. Is this bigger than that, or is Patty, it about the same

do you know?

You could never see the other sign.

Right, because it was so far back.

It was so far back.

MICHAEL Right. Yeah. I'm not sure the comparison of that. But that's a good point. I think the goal is to modernize it without being obnoxious, really. That's really the balance that you need to have. And we're very careful about the community. We've had a great relationship with Holly Brook and some of the other communities. So we surely don't want to do anything to disturb that. And so that's been part of our design program.

So I, you know, I have it seems like you guys are ready to get to the Miami game, so I can continue to take questions. But the other signage, you know, emergency in front of our main entrance makes perfect sense. The ambulance sign in front of where the ambulance has to go, I mean, makes perfect sense. And so I think I hope you agree that the comments that you had, we did take into consideration. So we appreciate the opportunity to defer and have a little more time to work with our team on that.

And as a critical facility, are really important signs. They're not just naming the building. I think they are very clearly letting our customers and patients know what's going on. So with that, I'll field any more questions that you have. And I appreciate your time.

I have a question for staff. Is there any kind of a restriction or variance requirement with respect to the amount of lumens that are

In our code, we only have it for lighting of parking lot areas. The themselves I mean, the signs themselves do not have a restriction on lumens. I guess if the attorney wanted to work with your community to try to work on dimming those levels, then perhaps that's something they could offer. But otherwise, we don't have a standard for that.

Okay. And could we make that a condition of approval that we have some kind of conversation with them or some kind of

GREGORY I think they would have to voluntarily agree to do that. I think it would be very hard for us when a permit came in to stop the permit from going in if it was legal.

You know if the intention of the hospital is to divert some of the folks from the west emergency room over to this facility?

I can speak on that because firsthand information. I won't go into why. What they did was it used to be the old walk in. We used call it the walk in facility. What Memorial did was they were kind of doing away with that particular thing and creating a they're calling it the 20 fourseven facility, a regular, almost a standalone emergency room, full facility, which it wasn't before.

That's why it's so big, and that's what they're doing. It's not meant to take away from anything. From what I understand, they're still if it's a critical patient, there's no beds for them to be housed there, so they would still have to go to other facilities. But I guess it would take some of the stress off even though the other hospitals, even though it would end up going back there anyway, if that's the case. I mean, they get a lot of drop offs from Dade County and from other places there. And

And it's right now trauma facility, so a lot of accidents that happen in the highways end up there in West.

Sometimes, yeah. And what happens is, though, I think right now the ambulances are not going there as an emergency drop off, as far as I know, unless they need to go there because they go to the hospital. Now they would be able to go there, if I'm not mistaken.

I think that's a fair assessment.

Rosalie, if they move that sign more to the middle of the building, would that change the effect on your residence?

No, I think it would get worse. It's better in that corner where it is because it's closer to the gate. There's no housing there.

That's right.

It's a better location than in the middle of the building.

Could I ask you, so where it says emergency and then that entrance there, is that literally where the emergency entrance is?

Correct.

Yeah. Okay. I think the main problem is just that each of those nine letters, capital letters in red, are two feet high, shining. And the only place they shine toward is Holly

Brook. And

so anyone going in there for emergency services, they're going to be looking for the actual entrance sign. I mean, to me, and if anything, it's a little confusing. But if I were in an actual emergency, the fact that it's close to the actual emergency entrance is helpful. But they're going to be looking for that actual emergency entrance. I mean, to have emergency that huge facing Holly Brook, it does bother me.

Well, I think maybe if it gives you some comfort, I want to show you something really quickly. So remember we talked about this and

let me

see if you can see my pointer. Can you see my pointer on So your this is where that sign goes. This is the emergency area right here. So it is consistent with where we want people to go in an emergency. And as you can imagine, you surely don't want somebody where seconds count going to the wrong entrance and they need to get into the emergency room quickly.

But this portion of the building is not directly parallel with the road or with the adjacent community. You see it jogs a little bit. So I think that would offset any impact just on the orientation of that portion of the facade of the building. Now, I don't want to say that was part of our design intent because I think that's what it is. But I think it surely is a benefit that that is not flushed, that you're looking directly into that facade. That facade is tilted a bit, as you can see in this picture, which I think would offset any line of sight issues from the signage.

Right. But in finding it, you have people driving in. You also have the signs as you're driving in. Have several signs that have emergency. You're directing them for where they need to go. It just seems like really

overbearing. Well, I'll say in terms of our site plan, I represent a lot of commercial developers, and it's really just for commercial business. Signage is very important. Any client that Dennis and I have will tell you that signage is one of the top three things that they think is important to their success. Now having said that, when you're dealing with a critical care facility like this, it's not about selling ourselves.

It's not

about emergency word. It's about letting a customer or a patient know as quickly as possible where they need to go to get critical care. So our program is not based on just blasting ourselves. It's based on providing critical information when seconds count to get our patients to the right place. So I want to assure you that it's not just us overdoing it.

This is really what we believe is required to get people in safely and quickly and get the care that they need. And where we could, you see we worked with you. We did reduce some of the signage. But that one, I respectfully request that you move that one forward because it is critical to the most important piece of that, which is letting them know where that entrance is to get emergency care as quickly as possible.

How about if you just make that one sign what's required and allowed?

I'm sorry?

What if you just made that one sign the size that's required and allowed instead of bigger than what's allowed?

GREGORY Well, it's 60 that sign

is GREGORY It's directing you where to go. It's not really directing anyone where to go.

That might be

a big

GREGORY So if on it was one the facade, that sign could be 60 square feet. That sign that we're talking about is 43.54 square feet. So I think it is well below what the intention of the code is in terms of any individual sign. Now, because we have two signs on that primary facade, that's why we're kind of splitting the baby, and that's why we've gone over the 60. But we could just have one primary sign on the primary facade, and that sign could be up to 60 square feet. So I think your code clearly the size of this sign is clearly well below what your code intention is of a maximum sign on a primary facade.

I have a question.

I'm still not happy with it.

I know, but is Remember why? I don't think we're asking for more than is critically needed. Yes, sir?

What is the industry set standard for those emergency signs? Don't all hospitals have is there like a standard what the size should be?

100%. There is a uniform sign package that any facility will present. And I think that was pretty consistent with what you saw the first time, which was larger signs. But when you're in a community, you do need to listen to their concerns as well. So we've done that. I think going below what you see tonight would impact the ability to provide the services that we need to provide. And I would be really concerned about that. But there is an industry standards line package, and that's what was presented last time. And we've really kind of reduced that, I think, to address your major concerns.

Could you refresh my memory on one thing? Is this facility I mean, it's been an urgent care. Is this facility now critical trauma have critical trauma abilities?

It's an emergency room. There are levels, right? Exactly. What's the level of life?

Did it change from before?

Well, listen. If you're hurt really badly and the helicopter's coming, you're not coming to this facility. You're going to Memorial Regional, right? Or you're going to Broward General. Because those are two major trauma ones. But this emergency room is a standalone emergency facility, it can handle a lot of stuff. So it definitely a step above what you would typically see in an urgent care scenario. And this does handle critical scenarios. But depending on the level of the scenario would determine what trauma level facility that you ultimately go to.

But that's sort of the point why I said it was such an overbearing sign because it's not even entirely accurate in my mind. If I saw that sign, that big emergency sign, I would think that was a full critical trauma care location.

Right. Right. But like I say, there are significant medical distinctions and levels and how they differentiate between the different trauma designations for the hospitals and if it's a lifeflight, certain things depending on the level. But this facility can handle quite a bit. And it is a full service emergency room. And that's what its

But function it's a critical trauma care facility. They would be sent or taken somewhere else if they came?

GREGORY It is critical. If you have issues, you go there. If this is your closest facility and you have a significant heart issue, this facility can handle all

of that stuff. There

are levels of the trauma unit, but this is a full service emergency room. Like I said

I would agree with you. We were told when they came to us initially that there would be complete full services there. They will have their own MRI and CAT scan facilities in the unit, which is not existent right now. So it will be a full service trauma unit.

And not every emergency room, not every hospital has a trauma It's only one or two designated by county. So it is a full

It's a full suite.

Right. And I'm just saying, it just seems like the I just want to make sure that the sign matches the services. Think that's a very

fair Based on what you have

the sign I mean, really, it's not a trauma center. We know that. What would you have them say other than emergency? That's why I'm asking you. I'm asking you. What would you have it say?

I was asking what they do there. If it's

I'm not going to say that on the side. It's an emergency room. It's upgraded from what it was before. It's a full service emergency room. They can handle trauma if they have to. They get traumas in there all the time because they get gunshot wounds. They get traumas. But most of the time, that's brought in because people drive in there. Ambulance as a general rule, currently the way it's set up now, do not go there. They will be able to if they have to now with the new facility.

But he just said they might be referred to another facility. So it's not a complete it's not a full emergency sense.

Madam Chair,

Madam Chair, I don't know if there's anybody in the public who wants to speak on the item.

I can't hear you.

I don't

know if there's anybody who wants to speak in the public about the item.

Any way that the public wish to speak on this item?

If I may, Madam Chair, on behalf of some of the residents who have voiced their concerns to me privately and in writing to the commission, there are certain of us who object to certain aspects of it. In the same breath, we understand the significance and we appreciate the value of having the memorial system there. But we are a little bit concerned about some of these sites. And I was wondering if it's at all possible that through counsel and with the administration at Holly Brook that perhaps we can discuss how to deal with the lumens of the lights if we can make some kind of an arrangement with that and if the committee would permit that to happen.

Madam Chair, if I may?

Are you talking about just the one wall? Yeah. He wants to know if he can answer. Is that a separate item, Joe, or is it intertwined with other ones?

Again, I think she's asking the applicant whether or not they would meet and put that as part of the record. If that's something the applicant wants to do, then obviously that may impact the decision here. But in no way can we condition the zoning on that. It would just be from the applicant to meet with you guys.

I would appreciate that.

Madam Chair, when it's appropriate, I'd like to

respond. Do

you need to read this into the record? There was an affected person report. It goes into the record.

There's a number of them that have

been But did you need to read? Oh, Okay.

There are a number of As long as it's acknowledged that there are a number of individuals who

It's the same objected at the last meeting, that you're buying into an area by residential properties. No variance should be granted 24.5 feet is enough. Don't like this law. Go somewhere else. Anyway, he wrote two letters on it.

Madam Chair, the applicant asked if he is able to speak towards her request.

Thank you, Madam Chair. So I've spoken to our consultant. And the technology of this emergency sign that is on that primary facade is a I guess it has a dimmer on that bulb. And so I am comfortable, and I've been authorized to state if there is an issue with the brightness of that emergency sign on the primary facade, that we would be happy to work with Holly Brook or any of the adjacent communities to make sure that there are no issues or that we can adjust it if necessary.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

So how do we put that in a motion? We don't? I don't think we

have to. I report it. I will talk to the administration at Holly Brook, and we will be in touch with counsel.

Sure, absolutely. And my partner, Hope Calhoun, who's smarter and better looking, will be the one that she would deal with directly. But I'm just filling in for her this evening. But I will relay that to her. And I believe she's already had some direct outreach. And so I'm sure that's not going to be an issue.

I appreciate that.

Thank you.

Thank you, Member LeBaith.

And just for the record, when the building permit comes for that, we will reach out to Duane's firm to make sure that they've met their commitment on that.

Thank you.

Okay. We need separate motions for each of these items. 2020 five-eighteen, table 155.69, 43.57 square feet of signage, outparcels, freestanding building monument sign. And you have to specify one, two, or three as to the reason you would be voting for Would anyone like to make a motion on that one?

I'll make a motion on '18 that we approve on letter C.

Twenty twenty five-eighteen? Correct. Okay. And you have to pick a reason.

Yes, C.

I'm sorry.

C.

C? Okay. Do I have a second?

Second.

Motion made by member Doris Gonzalez, seconded by Vice Chair Goldich. All those in favor on twenty twenty five-eighteen say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. ZZ25-nineteen, It's again permanent signed outparcels, freestanding building monument sign. 43.57 square feet of signage is at request.

Have a motion to approve. And there's C.

C? C. Do I have a second?

I'll second. Okay. Go ahead. I'll move it.

Motion made by Member Goldich, seconded by Member Doris Gonzalez. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. ZV2025-twenty, they're requesting 160 square feet of footage, again, for permanent sign out parcels, freestanding building wall signs. Do I have a motion on that one?

I make a motion to accept the part to approve I'm sorry also under C.

Do I have a second?

I'll second.

Motion made by Member Goldich, seconded by Member Alloy. All those in favor? Aye. Anyone opposed? Okay. ZV2025-twenty1. They're requesting 88 square feet of signage on the primary facade. Do I have a motion on I'll I'll make make motion. Motion. Second?

C. Do I have a second?

Second.

Motion made by Member Alloy, seconded by Member Goldich, with the reason being C. All those in favor? Anyone opposed? Motion passes. And Duane or his representative will get together with Rosalie and her representatives to see what they can do about the wattage on the emergency sign.

Madam Chair, that's Hope's problem now. I'm out

of here.

No, I'll make sure I share that with Hope. Like I say, I know she's already reached out. So I'll make sure that communication continues. Thank you, guys. Have a

good evening. And we thank you for your cooperation and your efforts to satisfy our needs.

You. Sure. You're welcome. Thank you.

Okay, moving right along. We're finally to number four. Number four is where's the number? ZV2020Five-ten. It's a request to take the required parking from 124 parking spaces down to 70 parking spaces.

I couldn't hear what you said. Did you ask him to waive his rights? It's a quasi judicial item. Do you waive your quasi judicial rights? Yes. Your turn.

Good evening. I'm Doctor. Michael Sasoni, one of the managersowners of Property 26 To 67 Can

you get closer to the mic?

Sorry.

Or pick it up or something?

Yeah, I'm a little taller. Doing a variance request for parking going from 70 to 124 to accommodate the restrictions that each particular tenant has depending on their business to accommodate the overall building. So as you see, that's the building. It's right on Pembroke Road. We have a pretty decent sized parking lot, usually empty most of the day.

Our biggest business in the lot is a restaurant that theoretically is supposed to take up most of the spots. They are mostly a takeout center. 90% of their businesses pick up through either Uber Eats or individuals that pick up and go. So they have very little footprint on our parking situation. We also have a church that's currently applying for tenancy, but it has a little bit of a restriction because of the cap parking availability.

I do have some pictures that show various days, usually during peak hours, that show that we're mostly empty. Especially in the back, you'll see only a few cars. This is around 01:00. I have some other times at four or three on different days, Mondays being the most busiest. So you'll see that we're mostly empty there. Predominantly, there are offices. There's two, three churches there and the restaurant. That's kind of the anchor. But very little parking spots taken. Here's some more pics.

Again, different days, different times, weekends, during the week. And you'll see that it's mostly empty. As we said, the restaurant is the biggest occupier of the parking lot. And any questions? Simple. Keep it easy.

Just one.

Tell

me. Existing parking space was already reading it. Existing parking spaces is currently 70 anyway on the property, right? It is. So Okay. That's all I had. No. That's all I was asking.

Simple. Anyone else?

So currently, are three churches on the property?

There will be a third church. Yes,

there are There are three churches currently on the property.

Third one in process. Third one in process. He's applying to get his license.

And there's one restaurant, you say?

There's one restaurant that has about four actual lots. Yeah.

But if you had a fourth church, there's no way setting it?

No, no.

It's the third church.

Excuse me. Just to clarify, based off the tenant mixture chart that was provided by the applicant, this would be the fourth church.

Oh, it is the fourth church. I apologize. It would be the fourth church. Okay.

So there are three churches on the property?

Yes. Yeah.

Okay. And if you had a fourth church, there's no way 70 parking spaces are going to be adequate on a Sunday?

So some of those pics are on Sundays. And they have different times. We've had arrangements with the various churches that they actually provide service. They stagger their services. So they work in conjunction, which is really nice. But they're not all there at the same time. And they're different denominations, different times. And they really do have a very small footprint overall. Sunday would be typically the busiest, but it's definitely not full. There's pictures on Sundays that you'll see midday, early morning. Not empty, there's about maybe, I'd say about 60% of it, the lots full. We do have some of those pictures, correct?

So right now you're at 70 and you don't have an issue? You have 70 spaces?

No, I would never have an issue with Over Park, no, never.

I don't think you heard what you're asking. Currently 70 spaces, correct?

GREGORY DELL: Yes.

GREGORY So

is it an issue now?

So it's restrictions, right?

So when every They tenant had a fourth church.

GREGORY Any tenant, really. So if we have someone else that comes in

GREGORY If you had a retail, it would be different because that would be during the week, not on Sunday usually.

GREGORY DELL: Yes. Yeah. I mean, depends on business.

The problem we've had in the past is that we had a very small church on Johnson or US 27, and they had enough parking when they started. And they got very popular. Now they have six guys, double and triple parking cars because they can't fit in the lot.

We definitely

do Because not of have the same type of situation as this.

And to add to it, we actually have one or two of the churches have a van that they bring people in. So So they don't even it's very small. They're very small churches, very small denomination, really a very small footprint. You guys

are Well, welcome I'm to little come back to parking spaces that you're giving up. So you've never had 124 parking spaces?

Have I ever had 124

parking spaces? The required is 124 parking spaces. You've never had that?

No. Excuse me. If I can clarify a little

bit about the current parking situation. So the center has had a non concurrent parking agreement for quite some time now to accommodate the current tenants. So it's always been 70 parking spaces and they have been exceeding that, but the non concurrent parking was working for them. With this new tenant proposed, the non concurrent was no longer feasible, that's why they're here before you for the variance.

Okay. Appreciate that.

Thank you. Any

board members have questions?

That's why I asked about the parking spaces because

That's not very many parking spaces.

Well, there's no room for expansion either for parking, right?

No. What

if there's a change in tenancy, like with that restaurant?

Sure. So you mean if the restaurant leaves? So that would be a big gap. Mean, Cole, how much does the restaurant?

I believe the restaurant is required 27 parking spaces.

It's a big portion of what we use in terms of their spots. So whatever we would replace it with, we would have to fit that in.

You'd have to work with that.

Yeah, we'd have to work with it. But they are the biggest. If they leave, that would open up a significant amount of spots.

Well, I'm assuming you would replace it

with Yeah, we'll another it Yes.

But

if that

were a dine in restaurant that replaced it, what would happen then with the parking? You'd require more parking.

I guess it all depends on

You wouldn't be able to rent to a dine in, basically.

Right. Would have to be kind of like what we have.

Excuse me. To clarify, this restaurant does offer dine in even though, as he alluded to, a majority of their services is pick up and to go. A dine in restaurant would have the same code parking requirement of 27 spaces.

I'm more concerned if you had a fourth church. Even if they stagger their time, have other activities on Sunday. I don't see how 70 parking spaces are going to accommodate four churches, even if they're small

They are very small.

And a restaurant.

Are any of them on Saturday?

No. I will ask my partner. Is any of the churches on Saturday? Yes. There is. Okay.

Rosalie, do have any questions?

Yeah, no, I don't. I move to be approved the application.

Second this.

Excuse me, madam chair. If

want to open up to the public comment. Oh, sorry.

Motion made by member Lebowitz.

No, Is there anybody in public that wants to speak on this issue?

There's no public left. Dennis doesn't count.

Thank you. Okay.

Motion made by Member LeVade, seconded by Member Doris Gonzalez. All those in favor? Aye. All those opposed? No.

Excuse me. Did you give one of the letters for the justification?

Can't hear that.

Sorry, I didn't. Sorry, I didn't.

I don't know what he said.

Can you repeat that?

I would go with C also.

Okay, thank you.

Two? C. C? I think you're making a big mistake.

Thank you. Thank you.

All right.

I'll have

agenda item number Have a good night. ZC2020Four-five, Octane Garage. And we have Mr. Dennis Mealy, who we haven't seen for a long time.

Thank you. Good evening. My name is Dennis Mealy, 200 East Broward Boulevard, Fort Lauderdale. On behalf of the applicant, we have not done any work without a permit. We're not asking for any variances. And we have all the parking we need.

So anyway, I

have a few slides. You don't want an emergency sign, right?

No. So this is our location. In April, the city commission unanimously approved the rezoning for the property. And we were very specific when we came in for the rezoning that this is what we wanted to do. And I think those of you who were on the board at the time probably recall this So as this is our location.

And you see we're kind of behind other buildings here. We're not right up on Pines Boulevard. And then as we zero in a little bit, you see the uses around us. So as all schools do during pickup and drop off, that whole driveway there is full of cars. So we had to come up with a use that would be desirable, that would be financially feasible, but that could be, certain times of the day, be difficult to get to. But it would still be Okay. Because for this kind of use, the major usage is on the weekend. If you own a number of cars and you collect them, when do you really have time to go do it? It's mostly on the weekend. And of course, the school's not open then.

But also, the school is making improvements to the drop off that should make it better going forward. So we rezoned from B3 to C1. We did a restrictive covenant. So the permitted uses on this property are all B3 uses plus storage. No other C1 uses are allowed. No auto repair or any of that kind of stuff. And that's why we have the little asterisk there to show that it's C1, but it's kind of like C1 light, I guess you might say. And then just some renderings of the building. So we can have as many as 24 units. The way I say as many as, if you came in and say, I want to buy two, you could do that.

And you could have a double wide unit, so to speak, just like a high rise condo building, where someone might say, I want two units, so leave the wall out in between. I'll have a bigger space. Same thing here. This is just the building layout, elevations. Any questions at any point, please stop me. And then this is just, again, the building layout and the parking lot. If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them. Thank you very much.

So you said only for Mr. Maitland, over here. Hi, how are you? You said only for cars and what other kind of storage?

Just automobiles, just vehicles. Okay.

No boats? Would there be also boats or trucks or just No. Just cars.

Just cars. Just the cars.

And one thing, know it's hard when you do the colors that you've chosen, the yellow I'm very sensitive to the yellows that are used over there. And the picture, it's hard to get on the picture. I know exactly how it comes out. I want to make sure it doesn't come out too bright because I looked here. Decisive yellow is very subdued.

Just

so So you we Do

you have the paint chips?

The staff has advised us about the sensitivity of yellow. And I assure you we do not have the bright color that

you consider.

Yeah, because it looks very bright in the photo.

And I

just want to make sure that I just want to acknowledge that it's a very subdued color. The decisive yellow is very subdued. That's very much brighter than is on here. That's very much brighter than the decisive yellow here.

Well, keep in mind, first of all, it's an accent color.

Secondly It's really not. Aside from the white, it's the prime

And it's behind other buildings. You can't see it from Pines Boulevard. What? And the white is the main color. The yellow is the accent. And we know the sensitivity to the yellow from the other buildings that I heard there was a concern about.

Are the doors the same yellow as No.

It is not the same as the other one down the street.

Because you don't have two yellows there.

GREGORY DELL: This is shadow.

DELL: the doors are not yellow. They're brown?

Madam Chair, they match. GREGORY The doors and the accents

Are the same color.

GREGORY See, when I saw this, when I looked it up, the color to double check, I thought it was going to match or attempt to come close to like the Mont Essori Building or the other more subdued golden yellows that are around there. This is very bright. It's not compatible. It's not compatible.

We're not right up on Pines Boulevard. We're not asking for any form

of Is it such a big deal to make it more compatible? I'm sorry? Is it such a big deal to make it more compatible?

We think this is the right color for what we're doing here.

It's actually a school, right?

Is there any signage or anything? Or there won't be any signage?

Yeah, there's signage. But it'll just be regular code required signage. Just a regular signage permit. We're not asking to make them bigger or brighter or anything else.

I don't remember from the initial thing. Is this a twenty four hour facility?

But you stated that no one sleeps there, right? No one

sleeps No, no, no. At

No one can live there. It's not set up for that at all. But yes, you can access it. But only if you own your unit, you're a member, then you have a key fob, whatever to get in, that sort

of thing. And they know there might be additional fire requirements when they do we're

comfortable with that. We have no problem with that.

I'm not too crazy about that yellow either.

It's still in a planning stage. I don't know why it's such a big deal to make sure the color is more subdued and more compatible with what's surrounding.

This is for classy cars, right? You should have a classy car color.

This yellow is also known as racing yellow. Like, we're familiar with racing green, right? This is racing yellow.

Well, this is not We're not

right up on Pines Boulevard. We're in the back.

The race park left a

long time ago.

How far is it from the roadway? You had a diagram of the pictures there. So it's not on Pines, Willow, Water, at It's well off

it. And

the adjacent what are the adjacent buildings to The the Franklin Academy. The building in front

of it is a storage building. The building to the west is a storage, and then there's a school. We're well off of Pines

And the school and the storage are not things that are people walking around constantly. And the view is going to be impeded by the other buildings is what I'm really trying to say, I think.

It's a lot of activity at school.

We're fortunate that this is not something you drive by and decide to go to. This is a destination

you go

to because you bought a unit and a member.

It's a storage facility next to correct?

Yeah. Although the other storage facilities are general self storage, whereas this is something very specific.

They're not for fancy cars.

Now in front of it, I see there's a body of water. So that's not a vacant lot. That's a lake that's in front. That's next to the school. So you're talking No,

it's an empty lot.

It a

You mean,

it's an empty lot.

Come on, this space right here.

Storage. Yes.

I'm not sure

what's coming there.

So that area, you guys may recall, you approved a retail center up front.

Okay. So there's going be a business there.

So there's going to be another building in front of

us. So

That's already in the works.

What's the white thing to the left of it?

I'm sorry. In What did you

front of it, there's like

a little white box. There's a big white rectangular next to it.

So this is a storage building that is associated with this storage That

one. Okay.

These two. This one and this one.

Then The

white one. As Joe just mentioned, you've got a retail building coming here. And then we're

back here.

That's a

storage unit?

Yeah. That's right there.

It's next to the storage unit?

In field.

Yes. This is us. That's the storage unit. That's the other storage building. This is where the retail is coming in the future. And that's the school.

Okay. Any other questions? I really

would urge you not to go with the bright color. And I have to say, Mr. Mealy, for many years, I can't believe you don't want to do something you would want to do something incompatible with other buildings in that area.

We don't feel that it's incompatible. And the DRC review didn't find it was incompatible either.

How can you say it's not incompatible?

I just said it because it's true.

I think it's obviously not

true.

Compatible doesn't mean exactly the same. Compatible means compatible. If it was exactly the same, you'd say exactly the same.

What I'm Bright yellow is not compatible with a lot of things. And I think that's very distracting. It shouldn't matter that the building is behind other buildings. I think it's not an appropriate color for Pembroke Pines.

It's kind of behind of the other structures, though.

I make a motion to accept the site plan for 18810 Pines Boulevard.

Letter C? No, you don't need a

letter for this one.

C. C. No, there's no A. B. It's it.

Do I have a second? Second.

Just for

clarification, Mr. Gorbachev, with city conditions.

I can't hear you.

So I apologize. Just a clarification. So you're recommending approval with the city conditions that are in the staff report.

Yes,

of course. Well, that's always the case, isn't it?

Well, it may not be one of these days. So I just want to make sure it's clarification.

Do we need to amend a motion?

No, as long as we heard from you guys and you guys all understand what you're voting upon.

Yeah. Okay. Yes. A motion made by Member Goldich, seconded by Member Doris Gonzalez. Those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion passes unanimously. We want to see pictures of your cars.

Okay.

Any members of the board have any questions for staff? Does staff have any questions for us?

No. I just hope you guys get home. If you want to watch the football game like Dwayne, please.

07:30. Oh, it's already starting. Well, it probably hasn't started yet.

There's a hockey game that started

a little bit about half

an hour ago, but we're

already losing It's the you. It's the you. Okay, our meeting is adjourned. Thank you.