Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

The July 13th, 2026 Peachtree City Planning Commission meeting to order. If all in attendance who are citizens of the United States would please rise and join me in pledging allegiance to the flag of our country. Great. I want to welcome everyone this evening in attendance. Thank you. And I'd like to welcome everyone who may be online. We're going to go ahead and get things rolling. I'd like to go ahead and any announcements? Staff, do we have anything? No, sir. Okay. Any presentations this morning or this morning, this evening? Sorry about that. Wow. I'm sorry. I can't hear you.

Is your mic on? No, sir.

No, sir?

There we go, perfect. Okay, any agenda changes?

No, sir, not at this time.

Okay, so next item are the minutes for the June 8th, hard to believe, Planning Commission meeting. Hopefully everyone's had an opportunity to look those over. Do we have any? No, okay. With that, do we have a motion to approve the minutes for June 8th as submitted?

I'd like to make a motion that we approve the June 8th Planning Commission meetings as submitted.

Okay, so we have a motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. Okay, no other discussion. All those in favor of approving the minutes from the June 8th, 2026 Planning Commission meeting as submitted, signify by saying aye. Aye. Okay, minutes approved as submitted. No, apparently old agenda items. I don't see anything. New agenda items.

So the first one we have here this evening is the Building Elevations All Star Pediatrics, 19 East Brook Bend.

And I'm gonna turn that over to staff.

Hello, there we go.

to get really close to it um so yes these the owners for the all-star pediatrics building like you said located at 19 East Brook Bend desire to refresh their existing building with a new paint scheme the building is visible from highway 54 and the property is located within 500 feet of the center line of a major thoroughfare that would be highway 54 and per the land development ordinance the modifications require a review by the Planning Commission The building is, property is owned OI, Office Industrial, and this is 54 right here. Let's see, let's get rid of that. There we go. All right, so the existing building, here you see pictures of the existing building, all four sides. It is a beige stucco, and you'll see there's quite a bit of glass making up the facades here. This first picture is what faces Highway 54, This one faces East Brook Bend curve. So this one also faces East Brook Bend and this faces the parking lot. The colors being proposed are for paint. We've got three colors being proposed. The body basically will be painted useful gray and then accents iron ore and urbane bronze. There are some, here are some photos of the adjacent, some of the adjacent buildings, also very neutral looking, earth tone colors. And the proposed colors appear to blend with the adjacent surroundings and the natural environment. There are no changes being proposed to the existing building materials, just paint. Therefore, the building elevation upgrades for All-Star Pediatrics meet the ordinance requirements for exterior colors.

Is there a rendition?

No, just the photographs and the color samples there.

Okay, thank you, staff. Do we have the applicant or applicants represented? If you would please come up to the microphone and state your name and who you represent.

Jennifer Holloway with All Star Pediatrics. Great.

Thank you, Jennifer. Do you have anything else to add to staff's presentation?

I do not, no, sir. Okay.

Thank you. Okay. I'm going to open it up first for questions. Commissioner Gantt, any questions?

Yes, I do. Using any one of these pictures, could you just describe what you're going to do, where the colors are going to change?

So for the top picture here where the tan colors are is where useful gray will be. Okay. Any of the window trimmings and the door trimmings will be the urbane bronze, and then the railings for the stairs and then for the porch will be the iron ore.

Okay, thank you.

Commissioner Halverson, any questions? No, it's pretty straightforward.

I don't have any questions. I'll come back to you for any comments.

No comments.

Commissioner Allen, any comments?

No comments.

Commissioner Gantt, any comments? No comments. The only comment I have to say is that thank you for updating. It's always great to see existing structures and businesses do some updates. And I think the colors blend in wonderfully with the surrounding buildings, and I think those are some good choices for that staying in the neutral palette. So thank you very much.

All right. Thank you.

Okay. Do we have a motion from the dais?

I'll make a motion to approve the building elevations for All Star Pediatrics at 19 Eastbrook Bend.

Okay, so we have a motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. Okay, so we have a motion to approve and a second. Any other discussion?

No?

Okay, all those in favor of approving the Building Elevations All-Star Pediatrics 19 East Brook Bend signify by saying aye.

Aye.

Okay, Building Elevations All-Star Pediatrics 19 East Brook Bend is approved, thank you. Okay, we do have a public hearing this evening, so I'm gonna go ahead and go over the instructions, procedures for the public hearing, and then we'll go ahead and get things started. When the public hearing is opened, members of the Planning Commission will become hearers. No action on their part is in order until the chairperson declares the hearing complete. The chairperson will allow each side equal opportunity to the floor. Individual members of the public will be given up to five minutes to state their case. First, city staff will present the request and provide an assessment of compliance with city code. Second, those supporting the issue will be heard, and that includes the applicant. Third, those opposing the issue will be heard. Prior to closing the public hearing input portion of the meeting, city staff and the public will be given the opportunity to ask questions of either or both sides of the issue. When the chairperson is assured that the input is complete, the public hearing shall be ended and the planning commission may then debate the issue and render a decision. All speakers from the public are asked to follow these rules. One, come to the microphone and state your name and neighborhood prior to making the remarks. Two, keep remarks under five minutes and please do not repeat others' comments. And finally, address all comments to the chairperson. Thank you. And with that, I will turn it over to staff.

Greetings, planning commissioners. The item before you is a city-initiated discussion regarding push carts. And so during the June 4th city council meeting, the mayor initiated a discussion to consider REVISING OUR CURRENT CODE. AS YOUR PACKET SHOWS, THE CURRENT LANGUAGE FOR TODAY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WITHIN YOUR MOBILE FOOD CART OR MOBILE FOOD VENDING ORDINANCE. YOU'LL FIND THAT THE ACTUAL PUSH CART LANGUAGE IS FOUND THERE AND IS LISTED AS PROHIBITED. SO WHAT CURRENTLY HAPPENS TODAY, IF SOMEONE COMES IN TO REQUEST FOR A PERMIT OR THE ALLOWANCE OF A PUSH CARD, THEY'RE BEING TOLD NO, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT LANGUAGE PROVIDED BEFORE YOU SAYS PROHIBITED. SO TODAY'S DISCUSSION, COUNCIL HAS ASKED FOR THERE TO BE CONVERSATION FOR LANGUAGE TO COME BACK TO THEM FOR CONSIDERATION OF THAT REVISION. WALKING THROUGH THAT WITH YOU, I'VE LISTED OUT A FEW AREAS OF DISCUSSION. SO THE FIRST WOULD BE THE REGULATION OF PUSH CART. SO SHOULD WE OR SHOULD YOU RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL TO REMOVE, PROHIBIT AND ALLOW IT, WHAT REQUESTED OR SUGGESTED LANGUAGE COULD BE WOULD BE THAT PUSH CARTS HAVE THE SAME REGULATIONS AND PROCESSES AS A MOBILE FOOD VENDING VEHICLE. That means we wouldn't recreate rules, they just would apply just the same as any other mobile food vending would have. So that restriction applies to them both. So that's first. Then the definition of a push card, I've placed that inside of here. I'm just interested in learning would you like to keep that same definition. The only thing that raises an eyebrow, of course it says anything that's like food products, fruit, merchandise, drinks, or flowers. So that wouldn't necessarily be a food. So I just wanted to share that it wouldn't necessarily always be food allowed in those carts. It also mentions commissary prepared or prepackaged food. So just want to reiterate that. And then next would be a big discussion that's happening in our office, which is whether or not the allowance of a mixed use zoning should have these provisions. So currently right now your food court, excuse me, your food carts or food trucks are not allowed within the mixed use areas. As you know, mixed use does have a residential component added to it, whether it be for industrial, commercial, or residential for those mixed use. So that's L-U-C, L-U-R, L-U-I. Those three do not have the allowance for for food trucks, so wondering do you want to mimic that to follow the same for the actual food carts, or would you like to allow it for that mixed use? And if so, I gave some suggestive language that would say that if it was to be allowed in mixed use, staff was recommending to you limited use commercial, where it's more so commercial generated use, and then they would have to be a suggestive 30 feet away from other residential locations to allow for there to be peace and no issues there with operations for the residential area. So again, that is just language I've shared based on some thoughts from where staff has had conversations with vendors who were looking to come into the city or just kind of hearing the concerns and questions that was brought up at the council meeting. Thank you.

Okay, great. Thank you.

Okay, do we have anyone in attendance who would like to come up and speak in support of the issue?

Okay, do we have anyone in attendance who would like to come up and speak in opposition?

No?

Okay. With that, I'm going to go ahead and declare the public portion of the... Public portion of the public hearing closed. Okay, commissioners. Hopefully everyone's had a good opportunity to take a look at this. We're going to go ahead and if we have any questions of staff first, and then we'll go ahead and do comments. Commissioner Gantt, any questions to staff?

I have one question. I may have others, but the one that comes to my mind has to do with health regulations pertaining to food in these push carts. How is that addressed in our code of ordinance? Or is the health department involved? What have you?

So food trucks have those rules. In order to have such permitting, they must go through certain inspections and follow those steps with food trucks. We're asking if this was to be allowed, that they go through that same process. Not to say that the food trucks will, I mean, the health department will always say that it's a requirement for inspections, but they would at least need to start there with them to see if it is allowed. whatever the rules may be. There's no commissary kitchen or anything, I would assume, attached to push carts, so I would assume that there probably wouldn't be much involvement with the health department, but if so, they'll be identified to follow that same step with the food trucks.

Got it. Just one more question, if you don't mind. Absolutely. When I go to some of these events, whether they're push carts or they're trailers, Are food trailers considered the same way as push carts?

So your push cart, okay, so anything that operates without a motor engine, shall I say, is going to be what your push carts are. You're manually pushing that yourself. The vehicles are what we would identify to be a food truck. So you can identify if you want to have those trailers that pull to the rear, you can identify if that's what you would like. But right now we're stricking to the actual wheeled pushing carts in our language. But you can identify. Hand pushed carts. Yes, that's how your definition outlines.

Thank you. Commissioner Allen, questions?

I have a couple of questions. One, it says here that The carts aren't currently allowed. Food trucks aren't currently allowed in residential areas or near a home. But I've lived in two different neighborhoods where there's food trucks on the weekends. So how is that rule being bypassed?

I will say that I can't answer to it, one, because I'm not certain what's occurring. I don't know if they're getting permission to go there and just not coming into our office. I don't.

Or nobody's complaining. Right. All right. That's one question. The second question is, are you familiar with why push carts weren't allowed in the first place?

No, sir. I haven't had any background on it.

Okay. Commissioner Halverson, any questions?

I have two. Sure. Was there a recommendation by the city council as to their preference?

No. It was mentioned they would like to have the discussion open to them, and that was the only information we received. Okay.

And then the second question has to do with... permitting, I mean, it's gonna be the same as a mobile food truck, which would mean any licenses that need to require to actually distribute whatever they're gonna distribute. All of that would have to be included within what they're doing, so someone can't just make their own cart and say they're permitted. They would have to be permitted and approved by the city. And whatever it is that they're doing would have to be regulated by whatever it is that they're.

So currently food trucks have a very detailed process. Food trucks have to go through actual approval for a vending permit and then a vending permit site. So not only do you have to have the allowance for the food truck, but you also have to have a vending permit, but then you also have to have the site approved. which is why that question that Commissioner Allen asked was interesting because they have to go through a very detailed approval. But it's kind of one of those things where if you don't know, we don't know, but I would be very interested in learning what sites those are.

I'll make something up for you later. Okay. I'm not diving anybody out.

Yeah, I understand, but it's just one of those things where, you know, currently we are trying to learn the best way to regulate it if allowed. So I think that because we spend a good time with food trucks being regulated and it's done in a very detailed way, I think if you're going to allow this, it's almost the same exact thing. It's just the difference is one doesn't have a motor and the other one has hands.

So there's a business license involved and all of the other things that are associated with that.

So I don't think there's a business license necessarily allowed or required for the push cart. I guess we'll have to look at that because I do know that there is a business license requirement for the food truck. So I may have to look at that piece and go back to that. So that's a good point.

I guess one other comment, and it's not necessarily a cautionary comment, but If we follow the same rules as currently written for the mobile food trucks, which says no alcohol is allowed to be served, that would be great to keep consistent. I can easily see someone coming back to us at some other point in time and asking for a variance saying that can mobile food trucks and push carts get an alcohol license?

So the interesting thing about variances is variances aren't necessarily offered for a particular use to be allowed. And then in addition to that, To gain a variance, you have to identify a hardship. I'm not certain that there's a hardship at all there.

I probably used the wrong word. But just some type of provision that allows it. Correct.

Yeah, I can see that.

The only challenge with that is that it's not a location. Yeah.

He's trying to shut down my margarita pushcart. Yeah, exactly.

So anyway, those are the questions I had.

So I have a couple questions. Do you know how many requests we've had? Did council provide any of that information?

So I know there's one particular that has reached out to an elected official. I think our office may have received maybe, what, two or three maybe, if not that many. So we've had a few. We've had a few, yeah. It's not on an extreme regular basis, but it's here and there. And once they hear that it's not allowed, we don't hear from them again.

Okay, so we've probably seen the standard hand-pushed carts, person walking, but I've also seen the pedal carts.

I've seen those before.

So we don't have any language in there to cover that. Would that still be considered a push cart, or would that need to be added to manually pedal?

I can add that language. I think it would be helpful if you're interested in seeing the actual bicycle version of a push cart.

Because there may be somebody coming back and saying, hey, we'd like to have a bicycle version of it. It's not motor-driven, but it is bicycle pedal. Okay. There's a few items in Section F.

which covers the operational requirements for food trucks.

And if we're considering push carts as food trucks, there may be some items that either need to be specified just as a food truck. And just to give an example is if we look at item or section 908.10F8, It says the following safety regulations shall apply to any and all vehicles operating under this article or used for mobile food truck establishments. So it talks about reverse alarms, It talks about two rear vision mirrors. I don't expect we'll probably be seeing that on food push carts. And there's also some items here where it talks about the license for the business has to be displayed on a window or on the side. So I think we may need, or not on the side, it is... Yep, the vendor permit shall be firmly attached to the window adjacent to the ordering or serving window. So we may need to add some language in there saying it must be prominently displayed somewhere on the pushcart.

So what I can do for those provisions, I'll go back and kind of look at those a little bit more detail.

Yeah, it's basically Section F. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay.

Where it talks about the operational requirements. Okay. And like I said, some of them are pretty specific to an actual vehicle truck.

Yeah.

And not really to a food cart, so.

Absolutely. So I'll have that. I'll take a look at that. Okay. And then I may add language where it says where applicable or something of that nature to make it where it's, you know, not necessarily changing the full language. Right. But just identifying where it may not apply.

Yep. Okay. Okay. And one other thing, example of LUC areas. So I'm thinking, and please correct me if I'm wrong, so the Aberdeen, where the new, well, where the old Partners Pizza used to be, that's LUC. We could see push carts and pedal carts in there because there are already food trucks in there. What would some other LUC areas be where there would be a residential component?

So forgive me because I'm not still yet familiar with names. But I can tell you the area where 54 is where there's a Publix, you know, where the Zaxby's is across the street. That entire development on the side where Zaxby's is is identified as LUC and residential is immediately behind it.

So that's going back into Summerby. Okay. That's on the south side. Okay. Kind of the Stars Mill. Is that what you're?

Well, it's reflecting to where 54 is, and there's the Publix.

Oh, so you're looking at Lexington Park. Yes. Okay. Thank you. There's the Publix, and then the Zaxby's on the other side, same thing. Oh, that's right. On the south side.

Down 74 south, yeah. Sorry.

Yep. Which I think Summerby would probably be considered. That whole area would be all you see also. Is that? It is. Okay. Yes. So perfect example. So we could see somebody going back in there, and there's mostly condos that are back in that Lexington Park area.

So there's a side where food trucks can bring groups that are not necessarily part of that community, right? And so that could cause some level of disturbance for residents, right? And so I would want us to be cautious about what type of traffic it could bring, what may be at peace already. Commercial is inviting people tourism or groups from other areas into their establishments, not necessarily residential. So I just want to protect the peace of the residential side when we think about that.

Well, and that's why I was wondering, you know, we're talking 30 feet, you know, now allowing a food truck, and now typically food trucks have generators running. So now you're going to have the noise from a generator, and 30 feet is not –

So this was for push carts.

Okay, so that is just for push carts, okay.

If you were looking to bring in push carts.

Thank you for the clarification, because I was looking at that as being food trucks also, and I was concerned.

Yes, sir.

Another LUC is the, it hasn't been built yet, but the development that you approved in front of Smoke Rise Corners? Correct. On 54 West. 54 and Sumner?

54 East, I'm sorry, yes. Yeah.

Yeah. So that LUC doesn't actually have, well, in the past, it was all one thing. The smoke included Smoke Rise Corners, but it's still directly adjacent to that development. So it kind of has a residential component.

Yeah, and I guess let's go back to the 30 feet because if I'm reading this, and again, please, staff and commissioners, correct me if I'm wrong. So it says where residential commercial uses exist within the same development or on adjoining properties, push carts and mobile food trucks shall not operate within 30 feet. So it is calling out mobile food trucks.

Okay, let me go back to it. I'm sorry.

Yeah, and that's under –

Okay, I see it.

That's under mixed zoning districts, yes. So if we're only looking to keep that as push carts, then we'll need to either exclude the mobile food trucks or we'll need to expand the distance from there because those generators can get loud.

What would be your thought? I would lean on you to tell what would be your thought as to whether food trucks should have that provision or just leave it to where it's just the push carts. Yes.

continue to mean you're looking 30 feet I mean that's what from here to the wall here to the screen for a food truck parked in front of somebody's condo possibly or apartment is that something we really want to do I think we're being too restrictive

I would like to see some sort of language that, and maybe it exists and I'm not seeing it, but if a neighborhood like Plantera Ridge decided that they want to have a food truck there or a push cart there, on a Saturday, they should be allowed to do that. And if the neighbors wanna complain, they can complain to the HOA and let them know that they don't want that in the future. I don't see that as our responsibility. If you're talking about a general neighborhood that's next to a store or a, like Lion Creek Brewery, which is not near residential, but if there's an establishment like that that wants to have a food truck nearby, and I can see the issue of if it's going to bother three or four homeowners of them having a right to not have it there. But I don't want to be too restrictive.

Well, and correct me wrong, staff, as of right now, mobile food trucks are not permitted in residential areas.

That is my translation, yes.

So as of right now, unless we changed language totally to allow that, I think we're, I understand where you're coming from. And I think the way to handle that would be a special request provision saying, hey, we're going to be having, I hate to use a yard sale because that's probably not a great, example but putting in for a yard sale request in in a neighborhood whether it's an individual home or the neighborhood put in for a special event request from from the neighborhood and that would be then approved or reviewed and approved by by staff for that if not right now we would have to open it up for all residential neighborhoods and i think we're farther

If you don't mind. Sure. I would go farther. If there's an HOA, and I know some are not, they're unincorporated neighborhoods, if there's an HOA, the HOA should be able to make one request, one standing request that says we want to do this when we want to do this. We should be allowed. And again, if the neighborhood has an issue with it, they can tell the HOA they don't want it anymore. that they find it to be a burden. But for an HOA to have to make that request, let's say on a monthly basis, because Plain Territory Ridge did it every other week during the summer, they'd have to make that request every two weeks. Staff would have to review it every two weeks. And I think that's tedious on both ends.

I don't think there's a provision right now in the ordinances. I think it's a one-time request for something like that.

Now we're going to push carts, but I would, I would suggest that we change that language. And then as far as food trucks go, if I can make a couple of comments on that, I lived in DC for seven years and lived off of the things and the best hot dog food trucks and push carts, the best hot dog in the city was in a push cart right outside of my office. And they did, as similar as we just changed the rules for golf carts hanging their license, that's the same way that they hung their license. It was readily available, and they were required to follow the same health considerations as a restaurant. I think it's a fantastic idea to have push carts. I think it would help small business, and I'd like to see it approved.

And I agree with allowing for the push carts. I'm concerned of going in and opening it up to allow food trucks to park in residential neighborhoods without having any type of request or approval. And I think that's... putting an undue burden possibly on neighborhoods that aren't HOA driven, where they have no recourse to do it. I think that may be another discussion to do that. I think if we may be able to focus on allowing push carts, and then it may be a discussion possibly with city council as to whether or not they would want to allow food trucks or anything like that you know, push carts going into residential neighborhoods without, you know, a special use request.

Okay.

Because that's a big step. I'm not disagreeing. I think that's just a big step to go from where we're at with push cart allowance to going and changing that full ordinance to allow that to happen in residential. Well, let me ask you a question on that. Where it's not committed right now.

So if... I'm the coach of a baseball team, and the season's over, and we're going to have a team party at my pool, and I want to have a push cart there for hot dogs. You would not allow that?

Without putting a request in, the way the ordinance is stated right now, correct.

So we're talking about changing the ordinance.

To allow for push carts, but not allowing them in residential neighborhoods. I mean, I guess the question is, are we prepared to take that next step and say, we want to go ahead and open this up to basically everything in the city, or do we want to keep it within commercial, LUC, LUI-type areas?

Let me ask a question, if you don't mind. Sure. Why couldn't I go along with Jack's comments and yours? Overall, I don't think we should allow it to be a broad blanket saying that no neighborhoods, no residential neighborhoods. But why couldn't a homeowners association have a one-time permit for a year? So that you don't have this arduous process of having to get a renewal once a year or once every week or every month. So make an exception for homeowners association saying an association can come and do a once a year type of permit request.

I'm not disagreeing with that. I think that's good. I don't think right now and we'd have to take a look and probably request the staff to take a look. I don't know if there's provision to make a blanket for one year. I think it is a single use. For a special use.

So currently our special event permits are only allowed four times a year.

Okay. So it's only four times a year. Okay.

Right, 120 days, I think.

120 days, okay. Then they would have to come back and put another request in after that 120 days, is that correct? Or is it just one time, that's it?

Well, currently, I believe the permit application is such that you have to specify the time. So I don't know if the way it's currently laid out would allow you to... say we want to do this for 120 days.

So I think we're starting to touch on other ordinances if we want to go to that extent and I don't know if we have enough detail to do that. Can I clarify something? I don't want

So when I introduced the conversation about residential, it wasn't for the R10s, the R2s, 3s. It was primarily for the mixed use because the mixed use LUC, LUI both allow for residential. LUR, of course, allows for it's primarily residential, but LUC, which is commercially based as well as industrial based for LUI, they both allow for a level of residential. So I want to just be clear that I wasn't speaking of residential. your standard R2, R3, 10, so forth.

Right, and I think we understand that. I think the discussion has gone further to say, do we need to open that up for all residential, whether it's, you know.

I just want to be clear, staff wasn't recommending it.

Correct, and I understand that. So I think... So I think, and Commissioner Halverson, I'm sorry, you've been sitting down there, so any...

He's been talking to me.

I've been watching him go up and down and back and forth. Any comments, questions, concerns? You could have moved down.

We could have moved you down.

No, I'm honoring the places, Commissioner.

That's his chair.

My opinion is this. We should limit the conversation to the pushcart to the pushcart regarding opening it up to the residential piece. I think if any residential whatever category it is, if they want to do it, they should get a permit and do it that way. Opening up to be a free-for-all for whenever and however, I think would be against the intent. And they can still achieve what they want to achieve by just going through the right procedure and getting a permit. And so I think it's, most attorneys will tell you if you have an issue, you try and contain it and keep it smaller. And rather than opening it up, could cause more issues than we may want.

I think that to me is a bigger discussion than we need to have with staff and as well as with council to see if there is an appetite to expand that because of course this will end up going to council for that and I'd like to get their read on it if they want to see something go into residential beyond the LUR and the LUC. I think there's definitely some desire, as you heard, to do that. I think we also need to take a look and see about the ordinance. Is there something that can be done for a request such as that for a year from an HOA? Or unfortunately, there are quite a number of neighborhoods that don't have HOAs. So we'd have to give some provision to somebody.

That would be small in Box 10.

Yeah, it would. We won't go backyard chickens, but anyhow. So I think we need to take into account that also, that if that would be something that would be possibly considered, how would that be? But I'd like to keep it focused on getting the push carts out there, at least in the areas that's currently permitted for food trucks, and then let's go and take a look at something bigger if council has an appetite for that.

I hear what you're saying about... I just want to just share hearing what you're saying makes me think beyond the allowance of land use of residential. So when you have a R one R two 10, whatever it may be, and we're allowing for the sale of goods on these primarily residentially zoned lands and for long extensive times, as you're mentioning, You're changing the land use and you're doing it in a way that is not strongly residential. You're somewhat turning it into mixed use. You're giving it by description of council. You're giving it an R2 or R3, whatever it may be, but you're given the allowance of a LUR. which is not necessarily what it was.

So, so we, and I guess this kind of goes back to certain things. Um, you know, the microblading, things like that. We know it was occurring within the city. Um, there was no provisions to really cover that at the time. Um, we know, and I've had it in my neighborhood also, we've had a food truck come in. Um, And quite honestly, you know, I mean, it's been a while, but we did, it was mostly over COVID and things like that. We've heard Commissioner Allen, you know, he's familiar with food trucks, so we know it's happening out there. So I think it needs to be discussed as to what that looks like and what that means. You know, is it permitted for special events and consider that a special event? Is it not permitted? And if council and city manager decides it is something they don't want to have permitted within the city, then it's not permitted within the city. But I think it's definitely a question I think needs to be asked because we know it's occurring. We know it's occurring.

My next question would be where does an ice cream truck fall into this that's driving through a residential neighborhood? Good point.

So that's been a conversation. I have been a planner for at least 20 years, and there has been a discussion that has been very broad around many communities that I've been in. And that's because it is a mobile food truck. It is allowed to operate and have such a use um and it does drive through residential um i don't think we've we've we've hit that that as a as a actual answer as to how that would operate regarding any other standard food truck um i think it's because it's kind of still moving and not sitting still that has been kind of one of the things that we've identified that it hasn't locked itself into a site to have it zoned because it's not sitting still like a food truck would be.

So a moving taco truck is okay.

I guess you stop, you get, you go. I don't know. I think that needs to be added to the discussion.

We can have that conversation.

Yeah, we can kind of look deeper into it.

I would like to address the question that we're addressing tonight. Sure. And shut that down. Yep. Or open it up, you know. But I would like to have a conversation about – Because I think that language is restrictive, too restrictive. And I'd be interested in what other people think about it.

Which is too restrictive? Which?

The food truck not being able to be in a residential area. Got it.

But as far as the push carts out there right now.

We can stop. I don't want to drag you out.

Commissioner Gantt?

on the previous discussion regarding the permits being displayed on the food, on the push carts. Would those permit, again, I'm gonna go back to my original question. Big concern I have about these food trucks or these push carts is health.

They would have to have a health department. They're going to have to have a health department rating just like you see going to any restaurant. Is that correct?

Right. They're going to have to be required to go to the actual health department to receive whatever clearances that they're having. They come back with something that, like, for example, if we regulate it, this is going to sound silly, but if we regulate it as a food truck, would it be operating? I mentioned flowers because that's how your definition regulates. If the requirements that they have to confirm the health department has no issues with that, they'll have to come back with something where the health department says, we have no issues with flowers being sold. That would be some type of letter confirmation they give to us. We'll move it along. It would be the same for foods. It would be the same for anything listed within that definition that they would need to go to the health department to receive clearance from that. We receive our guidance from them.

Well, I would like to see some kind of – official health department stamp of approval. Yes, that's what we received. They will have to be displayed just like the restaurants in the region.

On the cart. They'll have to have that, yes.

Absolutely. That's their process or whatever they do it.

And then one other question. Have you looked at perhaps, maybe it's just too small of a subject, but how other cities are handling bush carts? Best practices.

Yeah, I can tell you that. Um, I haven't looked in detail to see how they were necessarily other cities were handling it because I see that in reviewing our code, we, we, we actually talk about it. We just have that one word prohibited. Um, I will tell you that after this discussion, it's raised a lot of concerns that I will see where I'm going back as we normally do with text amendments, go back and bring more back to you in another round. after this discussion I mean Commissioner Harrison brought something to my attention that makes me say hmm I didn't think about that so I will say that I will spend a little bit more time going back to research and I can add that as another provision to say that other cities because I'm sure there's several that are doing push cards and allowance and seeing how they're regulated and I can bring that detail back to you as well when you revisit it okay

So for this evening, are you looking for us to go ahead and make a recommendation?

No, sir.

Or is it just a discussion item more so?

I wanted to open it to the public to see their view. I wanted to see whether you had any concerns, and you have. So excited to do the research and bring that back to you all to share what my findings are so that when you take it to council, we can say that we've done the research, as we've always done with our text amendments. We've done a very thorough amount of research when we take it back to them.

No, that's great. I think we've done, we've definitely, you know, I think we're all in favor of seeing the push carts. I think it's a great opportunity. It's something we haven't had, and I can definitely see, you know, some push carts around, you know, Around the lake. Drake Field. Drake Field especially. You know, things such as that. We know we have food trucks over at the farmer's market every Saturday and Wednesday. But I can see them even going to maybe some of the other locations that, you know, typically you can't maybe get a food truck in, but you have an opportunity to go ahead and have something on a smaller push cart. Right. on the path or something like that, which would be great. I mean, that really would be. So I think we're all in favor of it. It's just, you know, we have raised some questions and some concerns as to what else. Yeah.

It's the how.

Exactly.

Right. And I guess we'll do more research and bring that back to you so the next discussion we'll have those questions answered.

Okay. So, yeah, from my side, definitely take a look at Section F, which is the operational requirements.

Okay.

Bye.

I think there's some things that may need to be either generalized or made more specific because it is talking about more of a motor vehicle than a standard push cart. And if we are thinking about pedal cart too, now you start, I hate to get that detail, but now you're starting to think about brakes and things and all those wonderful little things that go around with bicycles. But anyhow, just something to consider IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN WITH THAT. ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER KRIZ IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING. COMMISSIONER KRIZ IS OUR GULF CART PARKING EXPERT. CHAMPION. SO WE WILL HAVE TO HOLD OFF ON THAT UNTIL HE RETURNS.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

With that, I think you have some additional work and discussions to do, and I will close the public hearing. Awesome. Okay. It's always the simple ones that aren't so simple, is it not? Right. But very, very good discussion, and, again, it's something we don't have, and I would love to see him. I would love to see him, so. Okay. Um, member staff topics. I see we have two, so turn it back over to staff.

I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Sorry about that. I need to bring myself back together. So on the 27th, you have no items currently right now. Of course, as anything that has been identified as a meeting, we ask for you, if you would like to no longer have that as a meeting date, you would need to vote to no longer have that date. We do have items on your August meeting. The next, well, we don't have it for the 10th, but we do have one for the 24th.

So the 27th, would we look to utilize that? Is there anything that we would need to discuss as part of the UDL?

I guess we can bring, you want to bring this item back? I mean, that's kind of fast. I need to do a little bit more research, talk to council as you're requesting different things.

Would you be able to circle back around in two weeks for the 27th? If not, then, you know, would we look to the beginning of August? And then, like I said, the only other thing I can see is we have the UDO consultant update just for this evening. And I know Commissioner Hamner is not available this evening. Would we look to use that on the 27th or possibly August?

I would ask for a little bit more time than the 27th because I'll be primarily doing most of that research and I would ask for just a little bit more time if that's okay to have that August, I believe it's the August 10th date to have this item come back to you.

So we would like to go ahead and because of no meeting items, no agenda items, the July 27th, uh... but that we would look to possibly keep that the august tenth for this item as well as if there's anything with you know so quickly you know has been the second so that's your next item so you want me to scott and bring that into the conversation so

We are excited that Inspire, which is our consultant for the UDO, they've hit the ground running. They've done some great work. We've had weekly meetings with them and great information. And so they're excited to meet you all and introduce themselves as well as bring forth some ideas. They will be going to counsel on August 6th, and so they'll be introducing themselves the same as they're trying to do with you. They'll be doing it with council on the 6th, and then following you on the 20th of August. So, of course, council first to officially get, you know, an introduction to them, and then following over to you all as the steering committee next after. And so, I mean, we could meet still on the 27th, but not, I guess to give you an update on this item, I don't think it'd be ready for a vote. I would honestly believe that August 6th date would be the best date to bring back.

I hate to bring everybody together and all that just for an update on the 27th.

I mean, the August 10th.

If it's not ready for August 10th, then we would definitely have to have that added to the August 24th.

Okay.

And that gives two, I guess, meetings in front of council. Okay. Is that correct for the consultant? One on August 6th?

So they will meet with council on August 6th, and then they'll meet with you on August 24th. Okay.

So that's probably the best, because if they get any direction or any input or anything from council, that only gives them a few days to go ahead and digest that information. and prepare something else accordingly. So keeping it on the 24th of August gives them a bit more time as well as gives you a better opportunity also to go ahead and get everything together for the text amendment.

Okay, so you'd like to see it on the 24th for this item?

Because the only thing we would have on August 10th is the text amendment. That's it, yeah. And again, I hate to bring everybody together just for the text amendment if it's not necessary. I mean, if council wants it ASAP, then that's something we would have to take... taken into consideration, but if it's something we can hold until the 24th, I think that would be good.

Yeah, I haven't heard that is necessary like right now. I haven't received that guidance.

Does that make sense, everyone? Okay. So let's go ahead and take care of the 27th of July. So we have to have a motion. We have a motion to cancel the July 27th, 2026 Planning Commission meeting.

I will make the motion that we cancel the July 27th, 2026 meeting. Okay.

We have a motion to cancel the July 27th meeting. Do we have a second? Second. We have a motion to cancel in a second. All those in favor of canceling the July 27th meeting, signify by saying aye. Aye. So the July 27th, 2026 meeting is hereby canceled. Do we want to hold off? Do we want to see the text amendment? Is there anything else? There's nothing else coming in on the 10th. So again, I hate to bring everybody together if we don't have to and we can push that off to the 24th. Do we want to go ahead and do that?

Yeah, I'm out of town on the 10th. Okay, so it may be the best. Okay.

I just got a landscape light debate. Let's make sure you understand.

Okay, sorry about that. We're discussing applications. Yes. She's received an item today that could possibly be for the 10th.

Okay.

So we'll trust that it's ready for the 10th to not cancel that meeting if possible.

So as of right now, let's assume that we're going to have a meeting on the 10th unless something happens. Okay.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

Okay, so we'll continue to have the consultant meet with us at the second meeting. Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

That makes good sense. Okay. Okay, anything else, staff?

No, sir, none at this time.

Commissioners, anything else?

We want to discuss a dress code change.

Go ahead. Discuss away. No, no, I am not wearing a tie to every meeting. No, let's not do that. Nothing here.

Okay.

Nothing else?

Yes, sir.

Okay, thank you, Mr. Chair. Do we have a motion for adjournment? Move we adjourn. We have a motion for adjournment. Do we have a second?

Second.

Okay, motion adjourned in a second. All those in favor of adjournment, signify by saying aye. Aye. Meeting adjourned.