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Alles klar. Nun, guten Abend zusammen. Wir sind bereit, anzufangen. Vielen Dank, dass Sie an unserem virtuellen Workshop der Stadtkommission teilnehmen, unserem ersten im August. Unsere Themen heute Abend sind zuerst Red Speed. Red Speed? Wir werden begleitet von Greg Parks und John Franklin, beide von Red Speed, um alle auf den neuesten Stand zu bringen. Und ich weiß, Commissioner Hughes hat einige Daten und Informationen, die er besprechen und teilen möchte. But as a reminder, the school starts next Monday, today in a week, on August 10th. And we will then go live with it. And then we will briefly talk about the Strong Towns Conference, in which we participated, and about some things that we plan with Urban3 to carry out an analysis of our district. We are accompanied here in my office by police chief Mark Smith and you can see one of his arms. But the deputy chief Chris Shaw is also present, together with the deputy city manager Jared Jones and the city attorney Nevin Zimmerman. Jared, would you like to give a short summary before we hand it over?

And only for those who are all commissioners online.

Uh, all five. I mean, they're all locked in. Yes, Mr. Branch is on his treadmill and is doing some work. Commissioner Street. That's Commissioner Granger. Thank you. Commissioner Hughes. Commissioner Lucas. There we have it. And Commissioner Lucas? How do you know she was in our office just now to pick up some paperwork? So I'm sure she'll show up soon, so let's go.

Yes, I think everyone in this commission is familiar with the automated school zone surveillance. But we're already working with Greg and his team at Redspeed. It feels like at least a year, if not even 18 months. Wir wollten dies zu Beginn des Schuljahres im Herbst 25 umsetzen. Und wir haben es bis zum Beitritt unserer neu gewählten Beamten zur Stadt bis zum nächsten Schuljahr verschoben. Dies ist aus einigen Recherchen hervorgegangen, die Greg für uns als Geschwindigkeitsstudie in unserer Stadt durchgeführt hat. There was a very short period of time for speed measurements in most of our school zones, and this has shown a very big problem with racing, especially on roads like Harrison Avenue, Eleventh Street, around these more popular school zones. Um das Problem zu beheben oder bei der Bewältigung zu helfen, hat uns Red Speed eine Menge Daten geliefert darüber, wie sie, ich meine, sie sind sozusagen im Geschäft, um sich bis zu einem gewissen Grad selbst überflüssig zu machen, und wie sie dieses Problem empirisch in anderen Gerichtsbarkeiten im Südosten gelöst haben, insbesondere in Georgia, woher, soweit ich mich erinnere, ein Großteil der Daten stammte. Und dazu weiß ich nicht, ob einer von Ihnen oder Herr Parks noch etwas hinzuzufügen hat.

Would you like to speak, Mr. Manager?

Yes, if you have any comments, we will pass the word on to the Commission.

That was a good report from Jared. We estimate, or good overview, excuse me. We estimate the possibility of being here again virtually. This time we have, as Jared said, worked on it for a few months, far over a year, and we are looking forward to the fact that it will bear fruit with its police station next week. Wir sind seit 1994 im Bereich der Fotoüberwachung tätig und haben inzwischen hunderte von Kunden, die dies nutzen und eine Reihe wie Jared erwähnte in Georgia und Florida und tatsächlich zwei ganz in ihrer Nähe, Tallahassee und Fort Walton Beach, die schon seit geraumer Zeit live sind und erstaunliche Sicherheitsergebnisse sehen. 60, 70, 80 percent reduction of robbery in a very short time. A repeat offender rate of about 10 percent, all without costs for the taxpayers. And that reflects again what we have seen in the last eight years in Georgia. We think, because our business is based on the fact that the less we earn, the better we work, this is our product and our solution. So we expect that the rush from Monday in Panama City will go back by more than 90% within the next year. It is in. And we look forward to the opportunity and can answer all your questions.

All right. Commissioner Hughes, are you still there, sir?

All right. Yes, sir. But I'm trying right now. I'm in my car. I'm trying to get three blocks further so I can park and it's less dangerous for me. So give me a minute. I need at least a moment. How would that be? I have questions. And I would like to thank Greg about ours. Greg, thank you. I'm... And John. Thank you for the cooperation. Thank you for your patience. Ich übernehme die Verantwortung dafür, dass wir letztes Jahr nicht angefangen haben, aber für mich zeigt das Warten und die Datenerhebung zur gleichen Zeit wirklich einige Muster. Und ich bin zuversichtlich, heute darüber zu sprechen. Aber ich wollte mich nur bedanken, dann gehe ich hier runter, parke und komme dann zurück und komme dann zurück. Überlasse es Ihnen, darüber zu sprechen.

Alles klar. I think my only questions are about transparency. You know, we had a bit of confusion this morning with a citizen who was confused by some reports. And I just want to make sure that we are transparent. And you know, confusion costs tax money and time for conversations.

So everyone wants to see the same data. That's why I'm interested in seeing what kind of portals Redspeed has and things like that.

No, thank you, Commissioner. We believe in... Oh, I'm sorry, Jerry.

No problem. Oh, no, no. This refers to both Redspeed, Greg, and the blog in general. And I just wanted to go to the blog page. There is a transparency portal that they offer for free. And we work with all surrounding authorities who participate in the Bayrock or Realtime Crime Center to implement something like this. so that we are all on the same page. But Greg, I hand over to you for what you offer.

Yes, thank you, Commissioner, for the question or the comment. And Jared, of course, we also believe in transparency. I have worked on the law. This law offers the greatest transparency of all laws on the implementation of school zones in the country, from the annual reporting on statistics to the commission, to the use of the generated funds and many other aspects. Es ist ein sehr transparentes Gesetz. Wir sind sehr datengesteuert und wir haben viele Berichte verfügbar für Sie oder Ihre Wähler in jedem beliebigen Rhythmus. Wir können Ihnen Kennzahlen liefern, die für Sie und die Menschen, die Sie vertreten, wichtig sind.

Wissen Sie, das war Teil eines Gesprächs, das wir heute früher hatten und ich werde Chief Smith und Deputy Chief Shaw jetzt direkt ansprechen, direkt ansprechen. I know that vlog cameras are often talked about, and I don't know if we should take the opportunity to highlight some of the protective measures and strict restrictions in this regard. I think people assume that vlog cameras monitor around the clock and that everyone can simply access it and get all kinds of data, but I know that's just not the case. If one of you wants to briefly talk about some of the highlights or the widespread misunderstandings about vlog cameras,

But if you compare a vlog camera with a red speed camera or any other camera, then they have completely different purposes. The red speed camera cannot function as a vlog camera. It is only used for speed disorders in school zones. And if the school zone is not in operation, i.e. not in this time window of 30 minutes before, during the day and 30 minutes afterwards, then the camera does not run. When the school is over for the day, the camera doesn't work. We have no access to turn it on or off. Redspeed switches the camera on and off. Did I understand that correctly so far, Mr. Parks? Excuse me, boss. I switched it off. Yes, that's correct. Oh, it's only done during the class on school days in the time you mentioned. Und wenn man sich eine Flockkamera ansieht, Flockkameras laufen zwar rund um die Uhr, werden aber in diesem 24 Stunden Zeitraum von niemandem offen überwacht. Und was unsere Behörde betrifft, so haben wir den Zugriff eingeschränkt. Nicht unser gesamtes Personal hat Zugriff, um irgendetwas damit zu tun, mitzutun. Only 11 people, including preventive and real-time crime analysts, have direct access to the Flock system to search, create hotlists or search for keywords that we want to report as stolen or similar. One of these 11 people needs that. The other around 40 employees I have can't do that. Wir haben es also begrenzt und Richtlinien eingeführt um dies zu überwachen, zu kontrollieren und zu prüfen.

And since your authority is accredited by a state test site, this is also something you have to stick to. This kind of examination of records and access controls is crucial in an office to achieve and maintain this status. Correct.

Our authority has received its third Excelsior rating in the last one and a half months. This means that we have been constantly reaching the Excelsior level for nine years now. Before that, it was 21 years on the accreditation level until we finally reached Excelsior. Only 3% of the authorities that are allowed to be accredited have ever made it to Excelsior. And this is our third award in a row. This proves that we are doing our work correctly, that our guidelines are correct and that we are conducting our audits and businesses within the framework of accreditation standards and guidelines. Ich würde sogar sagen, dass wir über die Akkreditierungsanforderungen hinausgehen. Die Akkreditierung erlaubt uns allen Beamten den Zugriff zu gewähren. Wir haben uns jedoch entschieden, den Zugriff nicht allen Beamten zu gestatten, um das Risiko von Problemen so gering wie möglich zu halten.

Another misunderstanding about vlog cameras is that you can watch people in real time and follow their movements. I also don't know if that's true.

Vlog cameras don't see people, they see cars. And what does that mean? You can see a person. If this person, for example, was on the road at the same time as the car was on the road, Then this person was caught by chance on the photo. Yes. But you can't say in the vlog cameras that you're looking for ... An individual 80 meter Caucasian man.

That's correct. Like in Deputy Chief Shaw. I think you have something to do with the size of the body.

I wanted to make him a little smaller. I stand upright. He wishes he was 90 years old. Oh, you know that ... Man kann nicht nach Personen suchen. Ah. Das System erfasst lediglich das Bild des vorbeifahrenden Autos sowie Marke, Farbe, Modell und das Nummernschild, das eigentlich dem Staat gehört. Und dabei werden keine persönlichen Daten erfasst. Genau das ist es, was erfasst. If we were to look for more, we would have to use other systems to access personal data, such as David. But for access to David, special conditions must be met to call this information.

This is another research tool for criminal prosecution agencies.

Another tool for which we have to justify ourselves and which is constantly audited.

Robbie has another question. Well, thank you very much for the short intermediate conversation about the fleet cameras. All right, Commissioner Houston. I assume your hand means that you are ready, sir. You have the word. Well, maybe.

I have some numbers that come from the boss. So what I'm going to talk about today with the numbers, Jonathan, who has it all or boss, who all, so that we all speak of the same. I can put it on the screen. It was sent to me. I can share it on the screen, sir, if you want. All right, page one would be wonderful. Okay. And you're out there, Sean, and you're just setting up the radar device. So thank you for that. Um, all right. So one of the things I said on the first day is that I 100% believe that we have to protect the children when bringing and picking them up. Uh... I'm not saying there's a big need for the day. But I asked and Greg agreed that we could do a test. And for 30 days, of course. That's what you want to do anyway. And based on the numbers, we can discuss whether we can switch some off for lunchtime. But you know you need them on Monday. I mean, tomorrow afternoon. So Greg, if you look at these numbers, would you say that there are no schools that come into question where you say, yes, the lunchtime is probably just not, it's not what we thought. It's not, you know, it's definitely not that high. Um, do you see anything of it in your numbers? Greg, when you speak, you're muted, sir.

I'm sorry. You should have thought I knew. I'm sorry. All right, man. Excuse me. You know, some obviously show a bigger activity in the morning and others, on the other hand, during lunchtime. The legislative intention was, as we discussed, that children arrive late, go to the gym early, go to medical care. Okay, let's take Nativity as an example for the mouth lifting.

Wir haben zwei Stoppschilder hinzugefügt oder eingerichtet und die Zahl ging auf null zurück zurück. Hm, das halte ich für ein gutes Beispiel. Ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob Nativity das braucht wegen der Wirkung der Stoppschilder, aber mein eigentlicher Punkt ist, es sind null. Ist null. Für mich ist das also ein gutes Beispiel dafür, dass wir es tagsüber nicht brauchen. These people cross Hamilton Street, which is secured by a teacher, and that's the only time they cross the street.

Well, that's certainly a big luxury for you. Yes, it is.

And a lady named Judy, who I call Mama, took a lot of effort to get this on this street. Uh, but it's for the kids. But Northside, for example, has several, uh, six... Kameras, glaube ich, am Flughafen, in der 19th und am Northside Drive. 19th Street. Ich verstehe, dass es im Umkreis von 500 Fuß um die Schule liegt. Aber in der 19th Street findet keinerlei Schulbetrieb statt. Man kommt von der 19th Street nicht einmal zur Schule. Also, eine Frage dazu, warum untersuchen wir das? Wenn es nicht nur um den Standort geht, warum sollten wir das sonst wissen wollen und Vielleicht am Flughafen, aber an der Northside findet das Ganze bringen und abholen statt und ich finde, wir sollten uns darauf konzentrieren. Wie bei der Bay High. Aber ich sage Ihnen was, dort wird viel zu schnell gefahren. Es stimmt, dass die meisten Unfälle morgens passieren, wie der Chef sagte. Es gibt also konkrete Beispiele, die ich gerade herausgreife. Wir werden uns gleich ausführlicher damit befassen. Und ich denke, darüber können wir sprechen. Ich würde gerne von den anderen Kommissaren hören, ob sie einen Nutzen darin sehen, sie den ganzen Tag laufen zu lassen, oder ob es Beispiele gibt, bei denen man sieht, dass man es wirklich nicht braucht. Ich weiß, Sie mögen den Begriff Geldgeier, Greg, nicht, aber genau da verlieren wir meiner Meinung nach das ursprüngliche Ziel aus den Augen.

That would be my introductory comments. Thank you, Commissioner. No, we certainly don't want pure money making. As some of you already said at the beginning, we want to produce less. So we go from one responsibility to the next. And we follow every instruction you give us. We work clearly for you, for the board and the people who represent you. A suggestion on my part, the sample size is very small here.

Maybe we'll change that for a quarter or six months and then come back with a complete sample for a complete committee meeting.

Then you could, I don't want to say, make a more thorough decision, but you would have more data to make a decision like this than after a short period of time.

Are 30 days your standard period for data collection in the federal states where you work?

Well, 30 days are the usual warning period. But when it comes to changes in the locations, the times or the limits of implementation, i.e. with all these variables, a slightly larger sample is useful. A 30-day window can contain anomalies and a longer period of time is statistically more significant. Okay. But we are open to what works best for you and all your voters.

What I also hear from the people concerns the camera and the flashing light. Let's see. It has to be before or after that. But it is confusing. Can we market it like this? When the light flashes, you are in the zone. Auch wenn es nicht ihre normale Geschwindigkeit ist. Denn in der Eleven Street gibt es drei Schulzonen, die man durchfährt, und keine beginnt zur gleichen Zeit. Man kann also an ein und derselben Straße um 9, 11 und 14 Uhr geblitzt werden. Wenn wir also eine Lösung finden, wie erkennt man, ob man in der Zone ist oder nicht? Das blinkende Licht ist das Beste, was diese Schulen gemeinsam haben.

Correct.

Before you answer, I think we have made some progress with the traffic control system of Bay County.

I wanted to ask if Deputy Chief Shaw or Chief Smith could say something about it.

Okay, thanks. Let's focus on the switching on and off of the lights.

Distribute the criminal record during the blinking and then all day long.

So we have real-time access to the blinking lights. Das bedeutet, dass das Verkehrsamt des Bezirks dies überwacht und steuert. Und sie haben die Startzeiten für jede Schule und stellen uns diese zur Verfügung. Und dann haben wir Zugriff auf deren Computersysteme und können tatsächlich auf die Sekunde genau sehen, wann das Blinklicht anging und wann es wieder ausging. So wissen wir, dass wir uns die Verstöße ansehen und diese mit der Zeit vergleichen können, in der das Licht an oder aus war. Does that answer the question? Totally. And Greg, if you want to switch it on?

Totally. Yes, sir. And I use the 11th Street as an example, Chief, because if we only worked with flashing lights, hey, that means you have to have the signs. I understand the legal procedure. If I drive along there and am in the Jinx Zone and there are flashing lights, then that's a middle school. In contrast to Palm Bay, which is a K-8 school and St. John's. Yes, I understand.

I think the answer to that is maybe that the speed is indicated on the sign and it says that if the light is on, this speed is the reduced speed in this street. During the day, the normal speed is also the 11th Street and you would have to be 11 miles per hour too fast to reach the threshold value for an interruption.

I mean, I always start every conversation with these people like this... Can we agree that you drove too fast in the shooting zone to even conduct this conversation?

That brings you a little to silence, but yes, let's get started. I got a warning, so I know about it.

Part of the problem we are facing are the legal requirements on the markings, the distances, the content of the signage and the like. Am I right, Greg?

Yes. Many of them, Jonathan or Chief. I'm not sure who said that.

Excuse me.

...is legally prescribed and we have requirements where we can place our equipment, in addition to a few other things, but we are open to any help. It would probably require a trip to Panama City or perhaps a slightly deeper discussion.

The word is free for everyone.

Let me get back to it. All right. Shoot.

To the civil service branch. They have reported. I don't think I have anything against starting with a larger cover-up through the cameras to check the data. But I think if our goal is public security, we should, as soon as we reach a certain threshold at which not so many criminal records are issued, drive back the measures. And I would also like to see that the funds that we have allocated are followed up and the public knows which projects we are working on for public safety.

And in fact, Mr. Mayor, the law is prescribed. So well done.

So my goal would be to be able to show a project and to say, as you can see, that this project is financed by additional taxes, that project is financed by Razor. And we take measures to ensure public safety and traffic safety on the roads where the cameras are. Sounds good.

Commissioner Street.

So, I love the idea of showing people where the money actually flows, if something is taken in. Or even if no money is taken in at all, because suddenly everyone stops rushing. That would be the ideal situation. I asked for ground markings in our individual conversations. How far have we come with that? I think the most important factor for people who say, hey, that's not fair, is that they can't see where a school zone is. And especially the one at Covenant was not marked very clearly. In the meantime it is marked, but my question was about the road markings.

Have we somehow made progress there?

Because if you draw a road mark, a sign or a flashing light, people, if you still drive 11 miles too fast, I don't know either.

We conducted an investigation on your request. At Covenant, we found that when applying the new asphalt on the southern part of Frankfurt from the 390 coming, the markings were covered. So we made contact to get it back in order. We also discussed Oscar Patterson.

I think the color markings there are already very faded.

So we asked them to renew them. Which ones exactly? There was another school. No, Palm Bay. If you drive to the north on the Balloa, you don't have it. And that's why we asked them to bring it there. So these are the three locations where we have requested the renewal of the railway markings to point to the school zone into which you drive in.

Very good. If we could approach that, that would be fantastic. And I think, from a communicative point of view, everyone should be clear. You have a flashing light, you have a clearly marked school sign. You have road markings. I mean, if you still decide to ignore that and drive eleven miles over the speed limit, I would like to see resources flow into a kind of public project where we can show, hey, look, the Razor paid for this. That's a great idea, Alan.

This week, you know, we will start a comprehensive campaign by Ms. Kennedy and her team to remind everyone, and we are running this kind of communication. Yes, Commissioner Lucas.

So, good afternoon. Thank you very much for the updated information and the presentation. For the future, I would like to have some context on the percentages of the fines and warnings. And this context would be the traffic incident. To say how many fines or warnings have been issued, triggered by the traffic incident. I think that only tells us a part of the overall picture and then we can see what the relationship is and what difference we make, not only with the number of the submitted criminal record, but as another method to compare the data across the different school zones.

We could report that, chief or manager or commissioner. It sounds like a great idea and we could make a report for you all or provide one that contains this good information.

Thank you, because I was quite surprised by the numbers at Covenant Christian.

But when I think of the 390 and 23rd Street and how people are trying to hurry and get past it, it made more sense.

But what does the percentage look like compared to Palm Bay? And so thank you very much.

Ich werde mich darum kümmern, dass das für Sie alle erstellt wird.

Danke.

Und nur zur Erinnerung, wegen der 100 Dollar Strafe, 39 Dollar gehen an die Stadt Panama City und müssen für die öffentliche Sicherheit verwendet werden. I will ask the chief of police in a few minutes to name a few examples for this. In any case, we will announce the follow-up. 21 dollars go to Redspeed. As a reminder to the public, the installation of these devices cost the city of Panama City 0 dollars. 20 dollars go to the state, 12 dollars to the school district, 5 dollars to the program for school way helpers and 3 dollars to the training fund for criminal prosecution authorities.

That's how we put it together.

Chief Smith could be an example for some of the public safety measures that we would consider for this part of the city.

Nun, bei dem Teil, der an die Stadt geht, könnten wir zum Beispiel die Finanzierung von Polizeifahrzeugen oder Ausrüstung in Betracht ziehen, die dabei helfen könnte. Vielleicht auch mehr Geschwindigkeitsanzeigetafeln, die wir ständig aufstellen. Mehr davon anzuschaffen oder mehr Lehrmaterialien zu diesem Thema bereitzustellen.

Vielleicht auch verbesserte Fußgängerüberwege und noch mehr Markierungen in der Umgebung.

And that includes the part that goes to the school authority for safety improvements in school zones.

So we could work with them and help them with the implementation of these projects, maybe carry them out internally, also with their share and certainly apply for them. I think you could also look at the north side. I think there is no sidewalk on the east side of the street. Mr. Bordstein. We could put a boulder and a sidewalk there. I think you could put a boulder and a sidewalk there on the north side to make it safer for the children, to stop there, to park and to walk and to improve walking paths.

I think the most important knowledge is that we can't just take the money and do what we want with it. I think that's it. Installing water tanks or something like that.

All right.

Yes, sir. Commissioner Hughes. Ich weiß nicht, warum das so hin und her springt. Da sind wir wieder.

Wie gesagt, noch einmal, ich weiß, dass das Gesetz innerhalb von 500 Fuß von der Brink- oder Abholzone besagt, 19th Airport, 11th, ich meine, äh, mal sehen, 11th Street, Oscar Patterson, das Bringen und Abholen ist in der Redwood, aber die Eleven Street ist eine Tempozone. Cherry Street, Harris Avenue, aber an der Cherry Street wird es eine Tempozone geben. Helfen Sie mir mal, die Zusammenhänge zu verstehen. Außer, dass Sie 500 Fuß von der Bringen und Abholstelle entfernt sind. Wenn diese Straßen keinen Bezug zur Schule haben, warum betrachten wir die dann? Warum stellen wir dort Kameras auf?

Greg, are we back to a legal provision? It is not legally prescribed that they are installed everywhere. I think a logical question is why there should be a school zone at all, regardless of the responsible authority, whether the Ministry of Transport or the district has determined it, but that is not up to us. But I think we were asked by you to bring them everywhere. I didn't know that.

Now, to make it clear, we are reflecting the existing school zones again. We are not expanding them.

No, no. No, I didn't mean that. And Jonathan, no. But I think we were asked to ensure a full cover. But as I said, we all work for you. All of us. So we have to. These locations where you are are already school zones. These are not school zones that we designed, created or expanded or anything like that. I know that I am often on the airport in the morning and afternoon. And I see children going to school and leaving school at the airport and on the north side. That's a really good point.

And I think, Robbie, that is also one of the things that protects it now, because school buses within a radius of two miles can no longer hold up a school. Man hat viel mehr Fußgängerverkehr, wenn das Wetter schön ist. Das sehen wir also bei. Und deshalb, wie Sie sagten, war es wohl die 19th und der Airport. Entschuldigung. Nein, es war der Airport und dort drüben bei der Northside. Deshalb sind einige dieser sehr kurzen Schulzonen immer noch enthalten, weil sie auch die Kinder sicher durch eine Kreuzung bringen. Nun, wie an der Northside, östlich der 19th Street ist es morgens bei 101. Es fällt tagsüber auf acht zurück. Am Nachmittag sollte man sich von den Bring- und Abholzonen fernhalten. Mann, diese Mütter und Väter, die ihre Kinder abholen, die fahren schnell, wie fern. Aber am Nachmittag nimmt es wieder zu. Für mich ergeben diese acht Personen in 30 Tagen an der 19th keinen Sinn. Ich stimme zu, es liegt in der bestehenden Schulzone, aber dort bekommt man heute nur einen Strafzettel, wenn ein Polizist vor Ort ist, und einen Blitz. Here, on the other hand, you definitely get one if you exceed the speed limit. And here it's not about the speed, but about the location and the proximity to the children. You know, it's a better argument to say that the Harrison Avenue for the children of the Bay High, which run to Dandy Donuts, needs this regulation all day. Compared to 19th Street on the north side, at least for me. Does that make sense to you? Or does anyone else make sense to you? Or am I completely wrong?

Hm.

Well, I know that you're not completely wrong. I would never claim that in any way. But I think we have reflected what is in the regulation, which by definition represents an increased safety risk according to the Commission. That's why I think we ended up where we are now, regardless of whether we need an examination. I think so. Consistency.

Yes, I think consistency is the key. And of course it is clear that there are definitely areas that represent a much larger problem. And you know, I think our goal is ultimately to get to zero. And therefore I think that we will definitely find much more activity based on the data in some of the other schoolyards as well as in certain corridors directly around this schoolyard. So do you want to add anything else?

I just wanted to briefly go into what you said about Cherry Street as a high-speed area. Maybe that would be a place where you could move the cameras from Holy Nativity to Cherry Street.

Das wäre meine nächste Bitte an Greg und John gewesen, ob wir das tun können. Ich weiß, es ist mit Kosten verbunden, aber wir können das nutzen.

Das kann absolut gemacht werden. Wir müssen wahrscheinlich ein informelles Treffen bezüglich Timing und Ablauf abhalten, aber ja, die Antwort lautet absolut ja.

Danke. Alles klar, Commissioner Street.

Um, yes. To get to Robbie's point, I support the idea of simply asking whether this street section can no longer be considered a school zone. To get to Greg's point, as far as I know, we haven't determined where a school zone is and where it isn't. And it's a bit strange why this area on the 19th is considered a school zone and what's the other street called, Robbie?

So it's the North Side.

It's the 19th. Yes, it's the 19th Street from Kreisverkehr an der Barlow in the direction of Lisenby. Directly from the Delwood Estates.

Yes, Delwood Estates. I suspect, to be honest, and I'm only speculating here, I would like to connect with the Bay District Schools and the county to... That's what I would say.

How... I would like to ensure that it should remain a school zone after your professional assessment and the prevailing data. But I suspect that many children will come from Delwood and go to Northside Elementary. That's my assumption.

My point is to come back to Robby's point. If it makes sense to set up a school zone, great, great. If not, then not. And that's why I never asked this question. I've never determined where a school zone is or not, but I would welcome it if you would look at it.

Excuse me, just to this special intersection. If, from the point of view of automated photo surveillance, it makes no sense, but a sign is still legally required, could we then use these resources from RedSpeed elsewhere?

Well, I would say if you want to assign a resource again, Nativity would probably be the right choice, as it seems that after the installation of the stop sign, no real speed bumps occur anymore. But I think for the sake of consistency, it would have been an even simpler guideline for us if it had been applied uniformly to every school zone. The fact that we can't do that because of the laws in Florida has actually led to some confusion. So my thought is, if it meets the requirements for a school zone and the relevant authority sets it up like that, it's okay. Let it exist and where it is. But if there is a way to take it out of the school zone and it is technically safe, I would much rather see the focus where the areas of danger are, instead of a school zone that is only arbitrarily there. And I'm not saying that this is the case with Lisa, but to get back to Robbie's point, she's pretty far from the school. And that may, as I said, have a legitimate reason, or maybe no one has asked or looked at it before. I don't know. Well, I mean, we talked about the University Academy and some other schools, and if possible, these devices would be useful there to ensure a uniform implementation in the entire urban area. But you know, it is what it is. There are certain restrictions, certain locations, and I know that you work within these framework conditions. However, I would like to emphasize that I do not want us to feel this when we do not have a clear description and that includes road markings. Whatever has to happen between now and the start to make these markings clear, I hope we can do it.

All right, Andrew. The school can, by the way ...

Yes, that's a great example. That's a good example. It will never be a school of the school authority again, so a school zone makes no sense.

No, no, no. So. On the street. All right, we'll check. All right. Commissioner Lukas, please, you have the word.

Yes. I just want to talk about 19th Street. I saw how traffic from the north side to 19th Street or very close to it has stalled back. When traffic on 19th Street moves east and west and there is school traffic while people are waiting for the end of school time to pick up their children. I can't say anything about the airport. I don't think it's enough to get to the airport drive, but I saw it on 19th Street and if people drive to the pick-up times on 19th Street to the east and west, you should consider that. Es scheint zumindest eine Beschilderung zu rechtfertigen, dass dort etwas mit der Schule zu tun hat.

Danke, Mom. Gibt es noch weitere Fragen an Herrn Parks oder Chief Smith? All right. Thank you both very much. We appreciate that. Thank you.

Thank you very much to you and John. And we'll be talking again soon.

Thank you. We appreciate your work very much. Let us know what we have to do. Have a nice day.

Definitely. All right. So, Mr. Mayor, Commissars, the only thing I wanted was to give a short update from our Strongtowns conference. Ich hatte ein paar Gespräche und einen E-Mail-Austausch mit Urban Three. Also, Sie kommen herein, analysieren Ihre gesamte Infrastruktur und betrachten alle Einnahmequellen, um in einem Art dreidimensionalen Diagramm darzustellen, woher die Ausgaben I remember that this was one of the presentations from which we were all really fascinated. And so we have already had several conversations. Sie haben in den letzten Wochen daran gearbeitet, die Stadt und das Projektgebiet zu sondieren, und ich hoffe, Ihnen diese Woche einen Vorschlag unterbreiten zu können, den ich dann dem Gremium zur Genehmigung vorlegen werde. Das nur als kurzes Update dazu, und ich freue mich darauf. Oh, äh... Ja, bitte. Kommissioner Lukas.

Ich möchte mich nur bedanken. The presentation at Strong Towns asked me many questions about how we do our work and what costs are associated with it. The realization that we have grown wider with Panama City North and that the costs for providing the necessary services are an important consideration there are certainly relevant. Can you tell us, since you have offered a large number of services, what you can do for us? Have you already determined whether it is about the sales modeling or the evaluation of the different district districts? Do you already know what it will ultimately be like, what you will present to us?

Not quite yet. I mean, there are a number of options that we check in the proposal, but the income was definitely one of the most important points. We shared our screen, showed you our map of Panama City and talked about the story, which I call the Handel Form. We have the 231 in the middle and then the two larger ends of our city with Panama City Proper and Panama City Proper and Panama City North. We explained that. They asked a few questions and I should add that I was not alone at the meeting. Ich hatte beide stellvertretenden Stadtmanager Waldron und Jones dabei, sowie den Leiter der Entwicklungsabteilung, Michael Fuller, unseren Stadtingenieur, und die stellvertretende Leiterin des Bauhofs, Stacy Rausch. Und wir haben also alle eine Menge verschiedener Fragen beantwortet und ihnen viele Informationen gegeben. Eben. Und wenn man sich ansieht, was wir herausfinden und lernen wollen, ist das der Vorschlag, den sie gerade für uns ausarbeiten und entwerfen.

I don't know if we can include this here, but if possible. The effects of redlining were one of the areas that he presented in the scenario and we certainly have these challenges. However, my research is limited to publicly accessible sources and that is not much for a city of our size. If we can get that and include it while we develop strategies for future growth and how we balance what is historically firmly anchored, I would very much appreciate that.

Absolutely. And one of the referents or one of the employees, I don't know if it was Tallahassee or Gainesville, but she was in one of these two cities. So she comes from Florida. Hard spoken for you. Yes, sir. Sample frozen. Oh, you're mute, sir.

No.

Not mute. Oh, yes. You still have a slight delay. It hung for a while, but now it's good again.

One of my most important points from Strongtowns was the... from the city administration that... Oh dear, was it Michigan? Where did you come from? Whatever the case may be, the city administration said Michigan. Sie sagte, Ihre Pläne werden sterben, wenn Sie nicht ständig auf jeder Tagesordnung darauf hinweisen. Jeder Tagesordnungspunkt sollte auf einen früheren strategischen Plan oder einen Beraterplan verweisen, um sich weiterhin daran auszuwichten. Andernfalls sterben die Pläne und wir geben viel Geld für Pläne aus, die wir nicht sterben sehen wollen.

Verstanden.

Ich möchte das mit dem DOT-Plan unterstreichen. information that we can use.

And when we wrote the DOT plan, I hadn't looked into it anymore.

And when I did it months later, I saw that DOT Coal had already analyzed the MLK corridor and made suggestions. We could have simply included that. We already had that in a plan when we approached the DOT.

Understood. Are there any further comments this evening? I have two short announcements. Just as a reminder, tomorrow morning at 9 o'clock, the show for Joe Moody, Harris Park, will take place. I really hope that as many people as possible from the public can participate in it. The mayor and the commissioners are very happy about it and the whole thing will take place at 9 o'clock. And then we have our monthly CAA board meeting in the government center of the county council at 4.30 p.m., 4.30 p.m. Yes, Commissioner Hughes. I see you raised your hand again, sir.

Yes, sir. I know we can't vote today, but I would like us to think about it in the committee meeting. I see no reason why it should be, because you update this list at Redspeed Holitivity or leave the St. Andrew School on the list, since the St. Andrew School does not exist and Holitivity is at zero. There are two infrastructure units that can be moved. The Cherry Street and the Mint School in the bay are now both qualifying. One did not exist at the time and the Cherry Street was under construction. So they both passed the speed test and qualify. So we have some that can be moved there and I have to talk to Redspeed about it. And then just for the sake of consistency, since that is probably the word, what would it be if we would take someone like them? Rosenwald has four during the day, but when bringing and picking up, it's a high school, in contrast to Bay, where there are high numbers all day, even if there is a decline. So we could... If we want to carry out a test, find a location to observe, in contrast to one that runs all day long and we do the right thing, if we turn it off in the middle of the day... I think so. I don't see the need to test it with everyone all day long if they have done it for 30 days and it has provided us with information. Please, please. If we needed more time, we should have done that when we collected the data. Just something to think about. And for the next session, I would like to vote. I would like to discuss it so that we can implement it and be ready for the beginning of school. I assume it starts on Monday? We have classes on Tuesday, right? We have a session on Tuesday. Is that how it works, Jonathan? That's correct.

Although, when the data shows that there are no problems, Mr. Zimmermann believes that I have the authority to remove the equipment. So I don't know that and I mean, but the experts have gone. But I mean, you can check that. Yes, I can check that.

Oakland Terrace no longer exists. There is no reason to conduct it there at all. No, I totally agree.

Also, the city director could make such adjustments.

And I will report on it by the end of business tomorrow.

And with the 19th Street, there are some descriptions that I do not agree with. I understand that there are school zones and that makes sense. But if you would talk to the school or if you would report to the superintendent and also talk to him about school zones, John.

I just wanted to agree with Robby.

And Commissioner Lucas?

Yes, I just wanted to say, I wish I had thought about saying that before the police chief and his deputies left. Thanks to the police department for accepting the unfortunate situation with the police officer in connection with the murder charge and for introducing the appropriate steps, not only the formalities, but the whole process. And that's why I thank the city director and the lawyer for today's press release for keeping their word and ensuring that we do the necessary within our department to ensure order. So a big praise to the police chief and the police department. And again, our condolences to the affected family.

Gut. Wenn es sonst nichts weiter gibt, sehen wir uns morgen früh um 9 Uhr in Joe Moody, Harris Park. Einen schönen Abend noch.