Community Redevelopment Board - Regular Meeting

all right the Community Redevelopment  Agency board meeting for Tuesday June   3rd 2025 is hereby called to order we're  going to have the opening prayer with   Reverend James Barker pastor of Holy  Hills Baptist Church followed by the   Pledge of Allegiance led by board member  Brian Granger would you please stand amen let's go before the Lord heavenly Father  we thank you we praise you we give you glory   and honor we ask you to continue to just look  down upon us and smile from heaven oh God and   just you to bless each and everyone that's here  give them wisdom knowledge and understanding and   do the things that need to be done in the way  that would give you glory heavenly fathers and   to guide this city oh God in the way that it  should be guided that everyone heavenly father   can be righteously in what they're doing oh  God we ask you to just bless above anything   we could ask or think because you are the one  that ultimately God know what tomorrow holds   and we give you the praise and glory in Jesus  name we pray amen amen you'll join me in the   pledge of allegiance i pledge algiance to the  flag of the United States of America and to   the republic for which it stands one nation under  God with liisible and justice and justice for all   thank you Pastor Barker and happy anniversary to  you and your lovely bride right all right take   her somewhere nice all right all right miss Sage  Horn please call the role board member Hughes oh   I'm here board member Lucas present board member  Granger present my understanding board member   street will not be here that is correct ma'am  and chairman Branch here present right all right   we have a quorum um uh board members item number  four is the approval of the meeting minutes from   the meeting of May 6 2025 uh those meetings are  minutes are in your packets and we would entertain   a motion to approve a motion to approve second we  have a motion to second is there any discussion  

miss H1 please call the role board member Hughes  yes board member Lucas yes board member Granger   yes chairman Branch yes motion passes thank  you all right item number five is any addition   additions deletions or modifications to this  evening's agenda uh are there any modifications   i do not believe there are any from staff uh any  from any of the board members i have one all right   Mr chairman go ahead i'd like to discuss uh  virtual workshops non- voting uh as soon as   possible for collaboration and better guidelines  for staff and ideas all right specifically for   CRA yes that would if adopted that would be item  number 13 and then motion to adjurnn would become   item number 14 um uh so there is a a motion uh  to add that is there a second second all right   any discussion on adding the virtual workshops as  an item of discussion this evening all right miss   Sedron please call the role board member Hughes  yes board member Lucas yes board member Granger   yes chairman Branch yes motion passes great and  any other additions deletions or modifications   to this evening's agenda yes i'd like to add a  have a motion to add a discussion on um a letter   potential letter to the TDC as part of the CRA  board in support of the St andrews uh Drews Hall   hall thank you got it all right is there a second  to that motion second all right i that would be   item number 14 if adopted and then the motion to  adjurnn would become item number 15 is there any   discussion on the motion on the floor one question  Brian you want the letter to come from this CRA to   the TDC right to TDC okay all right no further  discussion miss Horn please call the role board   member Hughes yes board member Lucas yes board  member Granger yes chairman Branch yes motion   passes all right any other additions deletions  or modifications to this evening's agenda all  

right those two items were added unanimously  uh moving on now to audience participation   item number six uh any any issue related to the  Panama City CRA's authority and remarks will be   limited to 3 minutes please come to the podium  and give your first and last name and address michelle Bryant 409 East 9th Street see  I'm pulling the mic just seems like I'm   loud okay um welcome to the new chairman  and committee members for the CRA board   um kind of what I spoke on at the um city  commissioner meeting which was sent back here   which is regarding the Glenwood property project  of 15th Street in MLK as shared previously stated   back in 2017 this property was purchased um as  you know many residents didn't have anywhere to   go the plan was to make this property a modest  affordable home area so that people could aspire   to home ownership rather than rentals and of  course adding some commercial space um in 2012   the CRA did a study um and building homes was  the primary result of wanting to keep the area   historical and keeping the feel of the community  of course now we are 13 years past those sharetses   those conversations as well as a dova coal that  was approved for the Glenwood area May of 2021   so while we are entertaining a um conversation  with an organization or developer that is looking   to develop that area I would ask in this  developer and any other developer's case   that those desires be taken in consideration  as you move forward in building up what will   be historical for the Glenwood area so to sum all  that up what I'm saying is whomever you choose to  

look at let's make sure and part of their design  is homes versus apartments small business versus   big box businesses as well as we would absolutely  love to see a grocery store in the Glenwood area   but more importantly for this particular project  bringing back the homes that Dr daffin and so many   were looking forward to being rebuilt in that  area my last thing on the agenda that I wanted   to mention is no longer on my paper here oh thank  you to the CRA for the upgrades and the additions   that they'll be making at Henry Davis Park we  met there this morning with people from all   over the district it wasn't just Glennwood it  was the Cove it was St andrews we had a really   good time and when I shared the upcoming updates  they all requested those updates for all parks   in Bay County and they want a garden as well so I  thought I'd share thank you guys so much thank you good afternoon congratulations to the  newly elected persons what are you   laughing at me don't start my time he He  doesn't control the time at this meeting good afternoon brenda Lewis Williams 10007 North  Central Avenue Panama City Florida 32401 i'm   coming uh in reference to uh the letter about Ad  Harris and it's ineligibility i believe that is   erroneous given that there are several uh items  of criteria to determine that ad Harris formerly   Glennwood Elementary School formerly Rosenwall  I believe high school and those schools were  

established during Jim Crow and after my  conversation with um I don't remember what   his name is but I haven't I have it to send an  email to send to each and every one of you what he   said to me that what there's a a process that we  have to go through go through that process which   has not been established on March 1 2024 at 4 pm  Commissioner Lucas um Michelle Bryant Tony Bostik   Jared uh Jones and myself met and Commissioner  Lucas stated that she would do everything in her   power to secure that designation uh thus far  that has not been done you may not remember   it that way but uh I do and I don't I can't go  with intent i can only go with what you say so   um uh my request is is that this item be tabled  until we get pure clarification from the state   of Florida historical uh group to determine  whether this is to be designated as such so I   request that this be tabled and then in reference  to the um development on between Carver Roosevelt   and Washington I believe there is a breach of  contract in that uh Mr zimmerman may not agree   with me uh there has been conveyance if you will  because the Daffins afforded the city $200,000   when they purchased that property and that may be  a stretch but I'm going to say it anyway there has   been conveyance of $200,000 which was afforded the  city cuz the it was valued at 600,000 and it was   purchased for $400,000 so to me any development  on that property should be a moot issue until the  

verbal yes verbal contract with uh the da M doc  daffen is uh clarified uh a verbal contract is   just as good as a written contract at least that's  what I learned in business law in college so and   that's and I don't think they've changed those  laws at this time and there was conveyance that   $200,000 with conveyance thank you thank you  Miss Liz Williams any other public comment good afternoon Nancy Hudson  1701 Mound Avenue Panama City   and again yes congratulations and glad y'all  are here um I just wanted to provide you   with a couple of pieces of information in your  discussion with St andrew School Drews Hall um   why is that relevant to CRA business and I will  tell you a couple of things one is the original   1989 CRA plan and subsequent updates all refer to  revitalize this community using a historic center   strategy so use the history to revitalize this  neighborhood this CRA um second thing is is this   CRA board not you all seeing people but this CRA  paid for half of the cost of the historic marker   when the building was put on the National Register  those I think are at about $3,000 now it was 2500   back then and the CRA paid half that cost for that  sign and the rest was a grant from the state so   just wanted to give y'all that information thank  you Miss Hudson you look like you had a question  

Mr hughes no I'm just Okay he's a little You got  my number yeah yep that item's on the agenda so   are there any other public comments in regards  to tonight's agenda or any business of the CRA all right seeing none audience participation  is hereby closed uh so all of the comments   and I'll just quickly skim over them they're  all part of the agenda tonight so they'll be   discussed and I'll I'll remind uh the board  of the comments uh that were received during   that time but Miss Bryant uh spoke about the  15th Street and MLK project item number 10 and   expressed appreciation for Henry Davis Park and  the investments that were being made uh Miss Lewis   Williams uh spoke about item number nine disagrees  uh with the memo uh and the uh and the premise   uh and then also spoke about number 10 uh and  a potential breach of contract uh and then   Miss Hudson spoke about uh the new item number  14 in Drew Hall and just gave some background   uh uh in regards to that so uh I do know that um  uh board member Lucas you were uh addressed uh   during the comments i don't know if you'd like  to respond to that ma'am oh yes I was okay uh   so yes I do recall that meeting uh with uh the  Glenwood Revitalization Project uh leadership uh   Miss Brenda Lewis Williams Miss Michelle Bryant  and Mr tony Bastik and uh I offered to support   uh that effort and that in my mind support meaning  the effort coming from uh the community to do that   and would welcome the opportunity to sit down  and discuss that uh and see where we can have   a meeting of the minds uh or we can continue  to meet like this it's it's your preference   all right any other board members wish to make  content comments at this time all right moving on  

item number seven is presentation of the AD Harris  management agreement progress report miss Pilson good evening i do have a slide presentation i  don't know if y'all Okay it is it is showing   there and if you'll just give your name and  title just Thank you ma'am yes so my name is   Donna Pilson i'm a I'm the executive director  of Rebuild Bay County Inc um we are a 501c3   nonprofit organization and I thank you for the  opportunity to provide this update on behalf of   Rebuild Bay County Inc our management regarding  our management of the 80 Harris Learning Village so I um I did want to to provide just a little  bit of history um within my time limit limit   since we do have some new folks to the um to  the board um in January 2024 the CRA asked for   an organization that could assume management  responsibility for the facility for something   that would be productive for the community and in  line with the community plans that were developed   in years past and those were provided as part of  the um RFA uh RFP package that was um given to   um that was uh put out there our vision um for  Rebuild Bay County what we proposed was for a   community resilience center that will be a hub of  services on site and access to services that the   community could count on in blue skies and in gray  skies some of the goals that we were looking at   was to stabilize and maintain the facility at the  time it was our understanding that the facility   was operating in the red we were looking at a  long-term plan for productive use uh the facility   productive community use we wanted to support  such such programming like workforce development   education and resilience um activities identify  funding sources to support sustainable operations  

look at partnerships uh strategic partnerships  um toward community resilience with that we   considered and continue to consider facility  projects and programming to uh for that facility since assuming management um responsibility we've  reviewed the facility's condition and then started   considering what projects we could do to open  up and get the spaces to where they would be   suitable for programs that we envisioned with the  priority project being opening up the kitchen and   cafeteria um that we deemed that as the most  versatile space so that um that's one that we   wanted to look at first immediate improvements  and upgrades have included um and I have a whole   list of projects that we're looking at but they've  included some outdoor cleanup uh opening up some   of the storage and meeting space meeting rooms  that we have and then transforming the kitchen and   um kitchen and cafeteria some of the desired  and planned programming we assumed leases of the   tenants that provide a variety of services and in  some cases we've expanded those services and then   added a couple more tenants where it made sense  and then we've taken steps to prepare for other   programming considering funding opportunities  and strategic partnerships as the spaces are   ready and as it makes sense already we've hosted  several community events through partnerships with   other organizations and as we open up space and we  expect to be able to do more again all we looked   at those partic uh um particular uh uh given  uh activities and events that were proposed and   looked at those that would make sense at the time  based off the spaces that we were able to open up   we continue uh some of the challenges that  we've spa uh faced since uh since being  

on site we continued to see a steady flow of  homeless population come through the facility   there was initial uptick following the warming  center operations in January but we've been able   to manage that this is not a huge problem but  it does force us to consider our operations   and and make plans for it there have been some  delayed maintenance issues and we expect that   we'll continue to see those as we continue to  open up space for use even with um with the   challenges that we've seen our relationship with  the city departments particularly the CRA staff   has been absolutely amazing and we appreciate that  we've been able to work through the issues as they   come up and expect to continue to do so so thank  you to the staff for that so I'd like to end on a   good note a good note so here's some good news um  on our cafeteria kitchen project this year alone   we've had nearly a 100 volunteers come in and give  over 800 hours of labor more than $25,000 value to   our efforts to date we've increased revenue by  $3,200 a month and decreased expenses by nearly   $1,000 a month this has allowed us to start  looking at how we can expend funds on projects   um like installing security cameras throughout  the facility which we've been able to do some   other accomplishments we're looking forward to the  HRP funds for projects like paving the parking lot   exterior lighting and interior fencing since  March we've been executing a grant with United   Way for community resilience efforts from the  center just recently and not formally announced   we have received a significant donation that will  allow us to replace the walk-in freezer a freezer   that hasn't been operational in so long that  it was rotten from the inside out and had vines   growing out of it we're opening up more spaces  for more programming some activities include  

uh summer stem camp health fair and community  resilience workshops and then as part of the   grant effort with United Way we've begun the work  of establishing a community organizations active   in disasters which will provide that structure and  formal operational plan for organizations working   together before during and after disasters much  of which can be done from Ad Harris and lastly   the Rebuild Bay board of directors has started  on a strategic plan for the center that will   formally document the goals and objectives of  the center and allow the staff to better plan   facility upgrades and programming for the near  and far terms the board is just getting that   effort started and we expect that that will grow  into more of a community effort so this first   year under the agreement has been productive  we've learned a lot but um but also made some   pretty significant strides toward opening opening  a community resilience center just as we suspected   when we proposed just by designating the facility  as a community resilience center um that can   provide a variety of resources for our community  we have unlocked several funding opportunities and   other resources many of which require some type  of application or proposal for sure but still   resources that may not have been otherwise  available we thank you for this opportunity   um to provide this update we thank you for your  ongoing support and trust um in Rebuild Bay County   and happy to take any questions or feedback yep  uh board members uh any questions for Miss Pilson   or any comments regards to this project um  yes can you go back to your tenants sure all right so do you seek them out or do they come  to you so those tenants were already in place u   most of those tenants were already in place when  we um when we signed the management agreement  

we've added um two tenants and that's because of  the space that um that they were requesting it   just made sense okay um and the programs that  you want to add where there's space obviously   in the school for that and where does that money  come from the grants from United Way is that how   does that work right so uh we've been able to  uh apply for programming grants um and we would   add those programmings based on the funds and the  organizations that can provide those services or   those programs uh so Rebuild Bay does not provide  the services so for example so like workforce   development that's not something that Rebuild  Bay would provide but we are looking at from that   facility opening up the space so that that type  of program can come in so in some cases we expect   that those organizations or entities that will  provide that programming can will can come in with   their own um their own funds but it just depends  if it's um what we've seen is so um we've looked   at um uh partnership with like Haney G Coast  um and they're wanting to kind of expand their   services where the location might be a place where  some of their students can come in and take some   of their classes in that case we would not fund  the programming they would have their own funding   but we would provide the space for that i like  that idea okay and so that would be a mix right so   that's one case we have we may have some um some  nonprofits that may want to provide a program that   um as we as an organization try to provide access  to resources if there are organizations that need   some assistance with that and we can include that  type of programming in a grant opportunity and   then bring that organization in to um to perform  that then we would do that as well you've been   busy said I have been very busy work I've been  very busy thank you do we get as the landlord  

are we getting updates per year from this or is  this in in the contract or just whenever we feel   like it the So this is our first year and um and  that is um we do keep the CRA staff informed and   can certainly do um regular updates sure this was  awesome i like to brag on what we're doing at the   facility how often quarterly Mr chairman whatever  it's up to you i mean once a year i thought I'd   Okay i think once a year is reasonable and like  I said we get periodic updates i mean we're in   regular communication with them and I know board  member Lucas is as well so and and I'll go back   to the language in the agreement and see um I I  know it does say sometime something about updates   i just don't remember off hand what the frequency  is but I think we do have some language in there   review or something like that in the we put  this presentation like on the website somewhere   absolutely yep sure so thank you for um all that  you've done and it's only been what six or seven   months uh certainly like the uh direction that the  bottom line is going income going up outgo going   down so thank you yep any other board members have  any questions or comments all right thank you Miss   Filson oh I guess I'm nobody i looked I looked  right at you you hesitated sir so I'm I'm the   fastest mover up here right so um No comment the  uh yeah so thank you thank you for for presenting   this thank you for giving us the update um the  one of the things that was kind of sticking out   my mind and I was trying to find more information  on it um was that uh United Way with other cities   has had certain partnerships um it seems like some  of the tenants that you have service homelessness   right and um I I know that that's that's something  that needs to be serviced even more here in in Bay  

County u but I do know that United Way does have  programs in other cities where they they work with   housing partners and act as not just a financial  fund but or or financial funnel but also just a   resource funnel too um I'm not sure I don't know  the local United Way folks here probably as well   as you do um I don't know if any of that has been  explored so yes so it definitely strengthening our   relationship with United Way in um in services  um in meeting the needs now on site one of the   tenants is Doorways and Doorways is the is the  lead for our area um as the lead of the continuum   of care they are the lead for the home homeless  population and so we do that's another reason why   we see quite quite a few of that population that  that actually comes to the center so they do have   those type of programs we are working with them um  with that as well and um just trying to see how we   uh work more with them uh not necessarily looking  at using the facility as a more than a service   type facility um so it's a yeah I wasn't I I don't  to correct anybody who might think otherwise i was   not suggesting that it become a shelter other than  in emergency situations where we where we open   up a shelter right that's that's different that's  open all right um but I was more looking at it as   if you got second chance there and I'm not again  I'm not saying that it needs to be in the shelter   that's not what I'm I'm presenting i'm just saying  there may be some synergies there with United Way   to open up even more funding sure um Sure we  actually are so having them on site actually   gives us a better opportunity to kind of um gauge  the need right so we're seeing that on the daily   one of the things that Rebuild Bay is doing to  address the affordable housing and to address  

that need is actually we just about 3 weeks ago we  just cut the ribbon on a uh transition home and so   that's a that's in the partnership with uh Habitat  for Humanity where we were a able to purchase that   house from them and uh provide a place uh for  folks to kind of recover up to about 6 months   and and so we are we just put our first our first  client in on yesterday so we're super proud about   that but um for this area one of the things um the  one of the things we've identified is that we do   have a shortage of transitional homes um and so we  are we we take that fair uh fairly seriously as an   organization and we're trying to get at that  so whether that's partnering with United Way   Doorways Lead Coalition Habitat for Humanity  we're trying to figure out ways to get to it   um when so when we are um Rebuild Bay is writing  for grants we are looking at that as well and to   answer your question say it again are they paying  to live in this house so we have um those that   would go in would be program participants for  us and there is a program participant fee that   um that does cover some of the expenses but  is not uh nothing close to what they would pay   um for a um a more permanent solution so to your  point about the the the bigger need um United Way   Rebel Bay Lead Coalition and others have been  working with uh the rescue mission under their   leadership they actually have a building that  uh they would like to see turned into a shelter   however they have made it clear that they don't  want to be the organization to run it solely so uh   been working to uh put our heads together to get  funding to to open that very much needed shelter   good to know thank you right and actually and I  I'll just since since you pulled us into it we   pulled we pulled a group of folks together around  that effort to strategize what that might look  

like and what that campaign to be able to raise  funds might look like um in their grant proposal   we support that as well because we have been  able to provide some of the data from doorways as   well as what we've seen at the emergency shelter  awesome well thank you very much i appreciate that   you're welcome bye all right thank you Miss Pilson  all right uh item number eight is consideration   and approval to sell CRA owned property located at  551 East 6th Street parcel number 20387-0000-0000 in the downtown north district relevant  background information is included in   your packet staff recommends approval of  the public notice for the subsequent sale   of the CRA parcel located at 551 East  6th Street parcel number 2038700-0000 situated within the downtown North CRA district  the sale of this parcel is intended to support   strategic redevelopment goals as well as provide  revenue for the district staff would entertain a   motion to approve i'll make a motion to approve  second all right is there any discussion we have   a motion and a second on the floor yes please i um  we've been talking about this board's been talking   about getting rid of properties for a year or so  or two years um and I think there's a number of   ways to look at it uh I'd love to see a process  for this across the board um looking at this   property we could go sell it for market value and  hope that something goes on there uh the person   sits on it for 10 years and nothing happens um  or or we incentivize it uh and I'd love to see   more investment in those areas that are harder to  get investment that create ripple effects of other   people doing things uh and so uh I I would love to  see this property go to someone who's going to put   it back on the tax uh that would build something  awesome and uh get them to open a new business how  

would you incentivize because this is CRA property  we're required to notice the sale of disposal of   an asset um for 30 days so part of that notice we  are going to include that they have a a plan that   you know um lays out how they're going to further  the CRA plans and objectives um so that we're not   just selling it to to sell it but we're selling  it for economic development purpose um that aligns   with the downtown north in this case CRA plan  nevin did I plan to add anything to that yeah the   uh so it's really a request for proposal and  so and in the proposal it would be what is your   intended use of this property and how does it fit  our CRA plan and we would expect them to explain   how that would fit also we could uh when this uh  comes the commission could say "Well we need you   to implement whatever it is you're say you're  going to do it within 2 years or the city has a   right to reacquire the property for whatever you  paid for it." So there is some mechanism to make   sure it doesn't sit and it's not done and then  also in the proposal they um would be a price mhm   so the price it may be the highest price that you  want to go with but it doesn't need to be but it   does have to be pursuant a use pursuant to the CRA  plan and so that's something to consider meet the   setbacks of our our code right yeah any anything  that is done there would have to meet our setbacks   uh unless they come and get a variance or  something but that's that's uh it would Yes   it would be to acquire the property what are  you going to do and how and also what can you  

do in compliance with our current codes yes which  this does fall into the um the map that you know   were were just updated back in February for the  downtown um general district I believe is downtown   general district so the this which encourages you  know de developing closer to the road parking in   the rear you know like the the do coal plan it  encourages that so the setbacks are a little   different than what it used to be i'd like to see  us delineate that language in the CRA plans that   speaks specifically to economic development  as part of the um RFA because if we leave it   general they may say "Well we're fitting the plan  here but it doesn't specifically address economic   development." Okay the we have not prepared  the notice yet but when we do prepare it we can   circulate it just so everyone sees it as far as  what we would expect in a request for a proposal   thank you yeah and this ties into why I want to  have workshops so we can already start talking   about this to have staff understand where we're  going we don't have to wait another 30 days to go   that's why I want to start workshopping ideas  right any other deliberation from the board   all right we have a motion uh and a second uh to  grant staff the approval to uh provide the public   notice and I'm sensing the sentiment is that we  want to bring back some type of um some type of   agreement that incentivizes uh development uh on  this particular parcel all right well in the in   the notice we say that and then they we're going  to get all we're going to get we're going to get   we're going to get proposal we're Yeah this is  a request for proposals basically so all right   any further discussion all right seeing none Mr  s please call the role board member Hughes yes   board member Lucas yes yes board member Granger  yes chairman Branch yes motion passes all right  

uh item number nine is uh a memo regarding uh  the classification of 80 Harris as a registered   historical site uh this was one of the uh public  comments that received earlier in the meeting uh   there has been a lot of discussion uh over this  in regards to listing AD Harris on the state or   national register for historic places um I do  believe that um and I will confirm this uh Miss   Lewis Williams if I think maybe the person you've  been talking to is Chuck Helmer does that sound   right okay well staff has been in contact with  Mr chuck Helmer with the historical preservation   he's an architect asking for his opinion on that  we continue to work through this uh he's served   on several historic grant panels in the past uh  right now at a minimum uh we are proceeding with   a historic plaque um uh at this particular site  my goal is to have that in place by the end of   the month uh we obviously coordinate that with  um you know with the board uh specifically Miss   Lucas being in her ward uh and uh and and  the public affairs team to promote that but   um the memo in front of you this is more about  the uh more of a formal process uh in designating   uh the AD Harris facility on the state  or national registry of historic places   uh evaluates uh the the benefits and the drawbacks  um to this um and we staff recommendation and our   conclusion after looking at that and comparing  both the pros uh in the cons um we we acknowledge   it can offer valuable benefits um but it's our  opinion that AD Harris School is ineligible due to   a lack of original structures and and just a loss  of the integrity of the structures over the years   pursuing the listing would not be productive use  of resources instead again efforts might be better   directed towards local recognition uh interpretive  signage or oral history projects that would honor   the site significance without requiring any type  of formal designation that could have unintended   consequences for the long-term uh options around  that facility so again I do want to be clear we  

do want to uh highlight the the rich history  of Ad Harris and and the role that it played   in our community uh and and highlight that with  one of our historical plaques that you've seen   around the community and that's something that  we really have uh the authority to do however   um this is just information that was brought  back at the board's uh request um happy to   be a part of a conversation right now uh and  take direction from the board on moving forward so historically the site is um where the Glenwood  Elementary School was first purchased in 1927 um   after Milville and Panama City merged uh the  African-American leaders in Shintown which is   what Glenwood was called at that time uh secured  Rosenwall funds to build a two- room schoolhouse   for black students renamed Glenwood Elementary in  1950 the school served grades 1 through six and   became a cornerstone of education and pride  in the Glenwood neighborhood that original   uh building was moved to the current Rosenwall  site um and has since been uh destroyed so   uh it the site uh at Ad Harris evolved into the  sixth grade center and later Ad Harris High School   uh upon the uh school district's decision  to uh make that school a surplus uh property   uh an organization was formed the Ad Harris  Improvement Society um and for a number of   years uh worked to make the Ad Harris Learning  Village um a reality uh the CRA then assumed   uh control of the property and that's what brings  us uh to this day so I think that uh I'd like to   see us move forward not only with a a local marker  but pursuing the state designation in the way that  

uh it has been pursued at the um at the Rosenwall  site and also to continue uh meeting so that we   can come to a meeting of the minds as to  the eligibility uh of the uh of the site um does anything that Mrs pilson's doing if we if  this designation does it hurt it from expanding or   doing the services that she's doing now that is a  question that would need to be okay answered um as   I as I in my layman's understanding of it it would  not okay um because you're asking for the site to   be recognized not the building uh at this point  uh the report coming back from our staff needs   to be fleshed out uh to better understand  how to move forward uh if we were to have   uh the buildings pursued as historical  buildings that's a separate designation i own a home on the National Register and um the  sap house and I thought uh it would just open up   doors of just oh three windows and nothing uh it  basically just keeps you if you want to keep that   designation you can't change things um and so  once you get on the national register it kind   of locks if you want to keep the you know it's  like when the presidential ward uh when you're   in PE in sixth grade there's no real thing behind  it um I would love to see lots of buildings on the   National Register i know Nancy would too um but  it doesn't really from what I've seen open up   major doors of opportunity um more restrictions  more restrictions of what so if we wanted to add   another building there they would say it doesn't  match or you have to apply for it to match to   look like what was there previously um so I was  kind I personally was kind of disappointed in   the whole national register process what about  you said the site it's historical site yes so  

that being a historical site in the building is  not that doesn't mess with expansion right well   that I don't know okay i think we would need  lock our hands with being able to move forward   uh it sounds like we're doing a lot of good  i went to Andy Harris loved it was wonderful   school and I would do what we can to help but  that don't I don't want to put restrictions   on there that we can't move forward and say  "Well we made a decision a couple years ago."   you know would would you like staff to look at  the difference between a historical site versus a   historic buildings if that is a distinction okay  yep we we can do that and again I think I can't   imagine being an objection but we still plan to  proceed with the historical plaque in my mind as   soon as possible i mean that that's something the  city can do we do that all over the city already   and I and I would I would encourage that both  at Ad Harris and at Rosenwald are you wanting   us to vote on this it's just a member yeah you  are you looking for a motion are we motioning i'm sorry what was the question board member  Granger how are we moving forward so the   process for a historical mark a local historical  marker does not require a vote of this board   to uh to move forward on it to pursue the state  registration marker which is similar to what is at   Rosenwall uh we can vote to do that that does not  hamper or tie the uh owner's um abilities to do   something with the site or the properties and to  pursue uh fleshing out the determination uh with   community about the buildings as a registrate  as national historic building um at the state   level well I think what you were looking and then  comparing buildings versus the site i think that's   what we want to understand is what what impact  if we recognize the site what impact that might  

have on the building that I think that's what we  need to get clarity on that's my understanding i   don't think there's going to be any with the state  marker like what we have at Rosenwall there's no   bearing on what the school district can do with  that uh building facility um so I think as a next   step that's a natural next step to take um and  then to look into the building designations as it   has come back to us uh our staff recommendation  is that the buildings don't qualify so um the   state uh Miss Brenda Lewis Williams has said she  has something different so we can at least pursue   that conversation to have a meeting of the minds  there but to move forward with the state marker   and the local art okay good do you need a motion  i think that'd be appropriate specifically for   the to engage with the state yes now the local  marker we staff has the authority to do that   and we would do that in coordination with the  community and with the and with the appropriate   board member uh but I think to you know to go more  you know more formal with the state uh and that's   a slightly more involved process i think a motion  would be appropriate so moved there pursuing the   state historical model okay we have a motion and a  second any further discussion mr zimmerman i think   you're seeking clarification on something it's my  understanding that we'll also report back on the   issues that you raised Commissioner as far as the  building is the site right right thank you yep all   right any further discussion all right miss Sage  please call the role board member Hughes yes board   member Lucas yes board member Granger yes chairman  Pratt Branch yes motion passes got ahead of myself   all good ma'am all right uh item number 10 is a  memo to update the board on the 15th Street in   MLK Boulevard development uh we have uh a a slide  here just number one this was at the direction uh  

of the of the commission uh and the board uh we're  going to have public meetings uh this Thursday uh   June 5th from 5:30 to 7:00 will be meeting with  the community uh to discuss this uh the proposed   development of the southwest intersection of  15th Street and MLK Junior Boulevard uh that'll   be again from 5:30 to 7:00 p.m at the Glenwood  Community Center um we provided just this memo   to give an update on the ongoing discussions um  this is following the CRA's board vote on April   15th of this year authoring authorizing staff  to enter negotiations with the Sanc Kofa group   um we've been having bi-weekly meetings between  CRA staff and representatives of Sanca uh as well   as the legal team to advance towards a development  agreement uh we've been focusing on project scope   timelines design considerations and the community  alignment again one of the directions was to have   a community meeting so we will do that uh we  remain very optimistic that a complete development   agreement will be ready for the board's  consideration at either the July or maybe the   August CRA board meeting so again public meeting  this coming Thursday and uh staff would entertain   any questions uh from uh from the board but no  no voting action or motion on this particular   um item just an update m Waldry anything to add  okay staff anything to add so I just want to thank   uh staff and city management for moving forward  uh with the discuss discussions and negotiations   uh this is uh exciting for our community it  is a proposal and we are going through the   stages of doing our due diligence uh not only  uh legally and through our planning department   uh but also with our community as we have promised  thank you any other comments from the board or   questions regarding this item all right seeing  none moving on to uh item number 11 item number 11   uh is discussion and consideration of the  expansion of the CRA districts uh this memo  

outlines the legal and procedural steps required  to expand an existing community redevelopment area   within the state of Florida pursuant to chapter  163 part 3 of the Florida statutes uh the relevant   background information and expansion process  overview was provided in your packet uh again   uh conclusion uh expanding a CRA is a complex  multi-step process requiring legal diligent   stakeholder engagement and adherence to state  statutes proper planning and documentation will   ensure legally sound and publicly supported  expansion effort as the board knows we just   completed this with an expansion of uh the St  andrew CRA at the time that we uh considered and   approved that uh there was a question kind  of at the last minute about maybe possibly   further expanding the St andrew CRA i think um  a little bit further to the north uh at board   member street's discussion a little bit further  to the east at Commissioner Lucas's discussion   uh and request and we were informed that if we  did that you know it would potentially you know   delay that and so we you know decided prior to  proceed with approving that and the county went   on to approve it and that's now uh in place so if  there was a desire to further expand the Senator   CRA and also have had conversations with board  member Lucas and Chairman Branch about expanding   possibly the Millville CRA as well um we could  do that and staff could at your direction uh   start that process so uh Mr chairman oh yes  i'd love to see Thank you i'd love to see the   um from 7th Street to 11th Street expanded um  that's mostly in Janice with Janice's support   um and then potentially from where's that line um  basically filling that gap he's got like a dog leg   left right um but expanding her district for more  opportunities going Joseph North but not going   east i'd love to see so they this is the gap right  there and that's 7th to 11th basically that northb

No is it Everett it's Everett Avenue everett  Avenue where the city limit is on the east end   is ever yes so so that's a little island that  is not um benefited although it has the same uh   demographics geography uh socioeconomic status as  what is in u the Millville district so any further   nope i I think that's good mr i'd just like to add  we are still currently in the process of updating   as you go through the process of expanding a  CRA district like we did just get approved for   St andrews to expand the next is to then update  your CRA plan to include that new expanded area   so we are we are staff is currently reviewing our  draft plans which we were also in the process of   updating all all four plans so we did the  expansion for St andrews and then also are   updating all four districts plans um utilizing our  do coal neighborhood plans as our guide for those   so we are we're reviewing those now and should  have those to the board for final approval but if   we were to want to expand more then we would have  to then amend our plans i just want to make I just   want to be clear to so that way we can include  that expanded area in the plans and spend money   on those areas and it's also my understanding just  so the board knows so the the process if we were   to you know if y'all were to vote to direct us to  initiate the expansion in both St andrews and also   Milville it's about a 9 to 12month process uh so  if we hit go today you're probably looking at next   spring uh before we bring that recommendation  back to look at further expansion and with that   recommendation include uh potentially either  calling this a new district or expanding north  

over or Milville up or or and even even within  this I don't know the cost beyond the adjusting   the uh CRA plans is there a cost for these studies  that we are approving there's definitely a study   cost there's a finding of necessity study that  is first done and we'll define the area and and   we can work with each of the board members  to determine what and then bring back maybe   the expanded um an expanded map that y'all could  agree on or approve and then we would initiate the   finding of necessity for that area and that's the  first step really is to do that study to determine   if if it's eligible for um expansion who knows  that study we usually No we we hire it out we've   been using GI consulting um to do that study  for us so yeah I I don't know that that I would   necessarily suggest creating a new CRA district  um that that's a really good question Mr chairman   my inclination would be no it would be better to  expand the existing CRA districts that we have uh   at least for sure the one in Millville uh I don't  know yes I agree the one in St andrews is getting   much bigger but if you look at downtown north  I mean it's pretty big it it goes from downtown   uh all the way up to uh you know all the way up  to to the Panama City Mall uh and that site and   you know both uh board member Lucas and board  member Hughes share some of that property so I   do know we want to try to go a little bit further  uh north uh on the kind of to the east of Lismbby   which would allow board member Granger to have a  little bit of a CRA area cuz he has none and so a   little little bit yeah so he's the only board  member without any CRA in his side of his his   city ward so that's because the property values  are higher there there's no blight he's not wrong   i don't know if y'all know the answer to that if  there's I mean I don't I don't we wouldn't create  

I don't think we would want to create another one  yeah i think we just would extend both of them and   so I know we've had some conversations with board  member Lucas and board member Street about kind of   moving north and moving um uh kind of east out of  St andrews and we've also had conversations with   Chairman Branch and board member Lucas about what  to do over in Millville so um I I think you know I   think that's what we would we would proceed just  to expand those two i want to kind of just point   out to the audience those watching online and and  the new board members that anytime we do anything   uh with another government agency generally  speaking we can't use our own staff to come up   with the study we have to hire somebody else okay  that is true thank you sir so is this action just   we're going to come back with the cost analysis  of like oh the stud is going to cost or is this   you're going to go right at a no we would we would  proceed i mean I think we would want to kind of   look at the areas we're looking at and maybe get  some some buy in on that um but you know the board   could authorize us to kind of work with the the  appropriate um uh board member and recite of their   award to put that forward but um I think I think  we would want to be able to proceed with if you   guys give us that authorization to proceed with  engaging with GI on that and we will get a quote   or or a task order to do the the final necessity  of course and then whether and either include it   in next year's budget or see if we can afford to  do it in in this year's budgets um you know moving   some projects around or you know depending on the  cost but I don't think the cost of the finding   a necessity is over $100,000 so to answer your  question that cost may not come back to to this   board to approve if but we can definitely work  with y'all to determine the areas that y'all   want to expand and we can bring a a map back for  y'all's approval um and and with the cost and if   we can um fund it in this year's budget or if we  need to build it into next year's budget you may  

have to do both depending on the funding depending  on the funding i know it's doing our plan updates   has cost quite a bit but that's all four districts  and it hadn't been they haven't been updated in a   while but to do a plan amendment might not be  as much um but the first step is that finding   a necessity study and I can't remember how much  St andrews cost um off to do all of the updates   and the expansion was right about a hundred so  that was for St andrews yes yes well that was   the planned updating plans for all four which were  split between the four yes and do all the wards   share the cost of that study or does it come out  of for for the finding of necessity for St andrews   only St andrews paid for that but to update the  plans that was split amongst all four cuz we're   updating all four plans so so when we sit up here  we have four different boards basically that have   convened all at the same time because the same  board members just how we kind of process through   that so depending on which one CRA may not have  enough money to to do both both things update   and so one while one CRA may have to get u span  it across budget seasons another one may be able   to pay it in full so I mean staff as long like  she said the entirety of updating it was and St   andrews was less than $100,000 right no I was like  right there it was right at $100,000 so the point   is is that none of this should probably come back  to us because that was shared by the Ford correct   the hunter so yes yeah if if there's consensus  that y'all want us to at least do the finding of   necessity and y'all support expanding it then I  would grant staff the authority to not come back   so that we can proceed without delay but if you'd  like to take a look at the map absolutely happy to  

submit to that as well so I would submit I mean I  would move what you said first and include the um   bringing a map back okay for us all to sign off on  second all right there's a motion and a second on   the floor is there any discussion all right miss  Storm please call the role board member Hughes yes   board member Lucas yes board member Granger yes  chairman Branch yes motion passes all right item   number 12 is discussion of the July and August  CRA meetings uh board member Branch is going to   be unavailable for the uh first meeting in July  uh and potentially the first meeting in August uh   and I will also be out the first week of August as  well and so we have a few options for the board to   consider uh at this time um he is requesting  that we consider uh rescheduling them we did   look at July 15th um here uh in the chambers  at 4 pm uh that would be the third uh Tuesday   uh the challenge is the county uses some of this  and they have a planning board meeting and then   the exact time uh of ending is is kind of unknown  so it could be a bit of a challenge plus you'll   have a destination Panama City Board meeting that  day uh the other option is July 29th which is the   week prior uh July has extra week in it and so we  could do that at Tuesday July 29th uh at at 4 pm   and um or sorry I don't know that that's a Tuesday  i believe that actually might be a third is it it   is sorry correct yep tuesday July 29th at 4 p.m  or uh if you want uh we could also do it following   the commission meeting uh of July 8th that be  that's a morning meeting it begins at 8:00 a.m uh   we could finish the meeting and then immediately  move into uh to the CRA board meeting with a fall   with a short recess i think the only advantage  of the July 29th meeting is is you know it does   uh get us a little bit closer to that August time  frame so any anything that we might consider in  

August we'll have more time to get it uh on the  July 29th agenda um and then uh otherwise uh if we   do it on July 8th we wouldn't have another meeting  potentially until uh you know until September so   So are you suggesting just one meeting just one  yeah collapsing the two into one is what we're   suggesting either July 15th at 4 p.m July 29th at  4 p.m or following the commission meeting on July   8th that meeting begins at 8 a.m and as soon as  it would conclude uh that would be good i don't   know if staff has any additional information on  potential agenda items for for August that would   uh that would dictate waiting until later in July  or if we feel comfortable that that first week   in July would be or second week in July would be  fine i I would recommend doing July 29th because   we will need to bring the CRA budgets to the CRA  board and um before they're heard in September   with the city's budgets so um I would recommend  July 29th if we're if we're not going to have an   August meeting yep okay should we move forward  with July 29th for condensed meeting is there a   second is that the one that's after the commission  meeting no that would be the very la that would be   the fifth week of July at 4 PM july has an extra  week this week my wife says yes I can make a   second yes is that date all right we've got we ran  the dates by your uh by check yep uh any any other   comments or questions it' be a 4:00 meeting it'd  be a 4 p.m yes sir we we try to keep all the CRA   meetings at 4 p.m for consistency so all right  miss Sageorn please call the role board member   Hughes yes board member Lucas yes board member  Granger yes chairman Branch yes motion passes   all right thank you all right item number 13 is  a discussion on virtual workshops mr chairman   yes um I would like frequent uh virtual non-  voting workshop meetings with with limited staff  

um just for us to uh collaborate on ideas faster  um and what I want to avoid is the situation that   I felt being on that side of the oak which is what  Jan Lucas says um which is showing up to a meeting   um with the the item on the finish line and  you wait 3 hours and then they you go give your   feedback and then they're like well it's kind of  already on the finish line and I'd love to get the   shaping of ideas out to the public much sooner so  they can give feedback much sooner in the process   um one for for wisdom of our perspective of  giving more perspectives from the citizens and   uh and us just helping staff know the direction  we're wanting to go um so yeah uh virtual Zoom   low cost there would be nothing to set up besides  a Zoom call um but that's I like to maybe weekly   maybe every other week something like that but  especially early in the sort of of us all working   together getting to know each other I'd like to  see them more often that's the idea 100% agree   what if your I what if your IT challenge and Zoom  is a Well you're Are you getting an iPad yeah I I   got one yeah there we go we can get that set up  for you no I think it's a great idea or teams or   whatever information to the public on the front  side that's our job what they do with it spin it   however they want to do but we've given them an  opportunity and and that's what we're supposed   to do is listen and it's a great idea are you open  to hybrid meetings sure where it's virtual but for   those who are IT challenged um they could come to  a designated place and participate as well board   member Hughes can join me in my office for these  meetings i'll take care of you sir principal's   office yeah well even for me you know virtual  keeps us from having to drive here it's it's an   hour savings of just time um and so yeah whatever  you're comfortable doing I'm comfortable on Zoom   or in person doesn't matter but the idea of just  meeting more often you know and it's the intent  

that we give kind of an update on upcoming ideas  and projects or listen and hey I want this this or   both i think it's I think it's a variety of both  we're all kind of learning we're all learning the   positions especially you and I the feedback loops  and and ideas and maybe you come I'm a Google   document person i have to write everything down i  have to see it and I have to digest it and so you   for me a lot of times I'll start off with an idea  of a Google document i'll say what do you think   about this and not that these are non- voting  meetings but maybe it's hey next time we meet   give me notes on this you know or something like  that just to where we're able to I also I need   time to digest a thought too so yeah having things  in writing and time to discuss is important to me   so I would just suggest that maybe we look at  keeping them constrained to the the different   boards on which we we sit um because conversation  can very easily drift to say TPC or if we're doing   this with the commission hat on could drift into  CRA and sometimes that happens and and you know it   probably will continue to happen um but I think I  think for the public's benefit it would be best to   say okay this workshop's going to be focused on  CRA things and then this other workshop's going   to be focused on commission things um and  I'm fine with you and I think we mentioned   publishing agenda cuz workshops are not you're  not voting so it's not required you may go I don't   care anything about playgrounds for under fivey  olds and and you might not want to attend but   um so to me it's it's casual meetings more often  short based on the other topics that I don't don't   wander yeah i can't collaborate for 12 hours yeah  so I'm looking for frequent short meetings i would   also request that they be in the evenings after  four sure i I work what's that i haven't done   that since December january so I mean I think it's  a great idea i do need I think it'd be appropriate   for the attorney to kind of weigh in on some  of that i know we want to be obviously want  

to follow state law and u careful not to create  public records uh in in in the workshop because it   is not considered an official meeting so well it's  it's a meeting it's just no official action that's   what I mean official meeting of action so I I get  the sense that what we're talking about here is a   um a free flow back and forth between  commissioners of CRA board members and   then the public and so information will be given  you'll take feedback it would be not it would be   noticed that there would not it is a workshop only  no vote will be taken and so if you have that type   of meeting it is important that um it's noticed  the public has an opportunity to to view it to   watch it if you want them to participate then  that's obviously something that we would do um   you could since it's not a meeting that action's  going to be taken on it's not critical that I mean   all the commissioners could be virtual it's the  the virtual the what's what you can't do virtually   today you could during co but you can't vote  virtually uh but you can certainly participate   virtually so um and it could be virtual and you  could have one station in room 10 at city hall   or something so um we could we could kind of  sketch through an idea some proposal and some   ideas on on how to do it and I'm sure uh city  manager Hayes will can get back with a memo on   that with our input great idea yep thank you uh  you're you're already mayoring in your chairman   role of the CRA uh I support this i support  the opportunity for us uh to come together with   citizens and have the dialogues i would suggest  frameworks uh for structure so that um we don't  

have um meetings that um become uh deteriorating  but versus uh uplifting and when I say uplifting I   don't mean you know everybody's all happy but that  we have done the the work of getting to a point of   agreement common ground for moving forward and  so sometimes that that can be a little tense but   that we have a framework to work through that  i would also suggest that um from a technical   standpoint when you have a hybrid meeting u  those in the room um when when two people are   talking at the same time online you cannot hear  what is being said it is it is because both both   things get transmitted you don't have the uh the  luxury of of you know regular hearing so it just   becomes a big jumble uh which is why I stopped  uh doing all things virtual and started coming   to all the meetings because when you're watching  online and you can't hear what people are saying   because people are talking at the same time so  so that would that would need to be um controlled so part of this could we set a meeting date at the  first meeting let's put let's put put let's pedal   Sure um are we wanting to do one by the end of  the month oh yeah okay i'll take like next week   yeah I'm down and I can do it virtually from Rome  next week yeah exactly rome Georgia is beautiful   rome Georgia i mean we could do one uh June  11th that's a Wednesday at 4 p.m i can do that and is this the CR is there a Where is that  beeping coming from is it just reasonable notice  

Nevin yes okay that's fine does anybody  see a conflict with June 11th at 4 p.m so am I just want to be clear though it  sounds like um that that would not be a   broadly publicized meeting but we would record  it and then make it available after the fact   it would it would need to be noticed i don't know  if the legal can get that done by tomorrow yeah I   I I think that I think that's the issue yeah  Mr zimmerman I believe the belief of the CRA   has a different notice requirements it's 7 days  right but let me ask a question though i believe   there has been some research done that if there  if it truly is a workshop where no voting will   be taken place where no money will be expended uh  that there is flexibility in the state of Florida   for that i think that's what you're suggesting Mr  chairman for CRAAS as well yes correct so I think   we can proceed and then have Mr zimmerman check  okay and if for some reason he has a concern I   think he I know he will for city commission it's  not an issue at all it's plenty of notice cra is   a little different yeah the issue is is that  there are lots of other cities that are doing   this from Pensacola to Key West uh with again  and it's a workshop it's not a meeting uh and   so it is a little bit different no decisions are  made conversations are had and then the meeting   is recorded uh and made public and flip it to a  commission workshop instead of a CR workshop we   can do that as well but then to your point though  but some CRA issues might be discussed so I still   I'd still want to make sure just to affirm to  have you know trust but verify i think that   would be good do will there be a topic or I can  provide topics okay and what time it would be 4  

p.m on June 11th so yeah I do do you want them now  well I don't Do we need to notice the topics i I   don't we wanted structured right or do we need  an agenda i I I I think I would say I think the   first meeting like this is not going to be very  structured i I just I think we need to manage   expectations and be real it's going to be a very  It's the first time we've done it so discussion   adjournment yeah that's it that's the agenda yeah  uh start discuss adjourn so but you really don't   you don't really have a formal adjournment though  with a workshop just to be clear then you'd have   to vote cuz then you have to vote do you think  we ought to notice something that states what the   meeting is so that people don't show up wanting  to talk about um items that are not under the   um authority of the CRA i I think there's nowhere  to show up to yeah I think that's well virtual is   showing up i mean you know you've heard of bean  me up Scotty right yeah the public's going to   be asked to talk is my understanding in this first  workshop i mean no this is this is for the elected   officials oh I thought you were No this is a  workshop for the elected officials and there   are examples of cities from Key West that have  been doing this going to be able to No I I I Okay   let's let's get it straight I understand about  having workshops without public participation that   is okay legally however I heard I thought I heard  is that the intent for this one or was the intent   so the intent wasn't to get free information from  the public the intent is just for the five of you  

to talk and then to allow people to watch yeah i  think this is a between us that it obviously the   the citizen can show up and and watch virtually  or watch it later but this is us talking to then   seed conversation for the public to then come  back to his vag email or phone calls this is the   start of an idea yeah that's what you and I have  talked about but then I didn't understand when you   introduced it that's where you were heading so so  just to be clear the concept is to have the five   of you talk talk to staff find out whatever you  want to talk you know it's it's talk but then uh   there the public watches but does not participate  at that particular workshop correct okay so I have   a better understanding my my statements were made  in reference to public being able to speak to what   I don't want is an early idea getting beat up  by the public because we haven't even done the   research right because it may be here's an idea  and you go "Oh my gosh I haven't done any research   on this i need but here's my initial reaction and  because we don't have an opportunity to speak to   each other outside of a formal noticed meeting  or workshop." So okay so do we do we feel like   uh Mr hayes if they give you ideas on what would  you like us to know have you five know what you're   thinking about talking about or just notice it and  then come and have a free flow of back and forth   i think the first one probably be best free flow  okay I agree with that that'll be easy to notice okay so June 11th is that what I'm hearing do  we need a motion for that uh we would sure i'll   make a motion that we have a virtual workshop on  June 11th at 4 p.m is there a second i'll second  

all right and with the understanding if if Mr  zimmerman goes and finds any legal concerns   we'll circle back post haste so all right is there  any further discussion from the board all right   miss Sagehorn call the role board member Hughes  yes board member Lucas yes board member Granger   yes chairman Branch yes motion passes right item  number 14 is uh was added by board member Granger   to discuss a letter to the TDC mr granger yeah  so we um as Miss Hudson said earlier um can you   you can't hear me all right how about now there  we go okay i We don't have speakers back here so   um uh being that Drews Hall is inside of a CRA  being that it is a historical uh building being   that um DPC is requesting the TDC to to help  fund the repairs to that building so that it   can become a functional um draw for tourism and  locals alike uh become event space it can become   um a mini museum and and an art draw if you will  uh become a functional building again for that   neighborhood that is in a CRA area i feel that  it would be right and proper for this board to   um support that uh in a in a letter to the TDC and  so my idea was is that if if we agree to that that   staff then could could write a letter of support  uh as such and and allow our our chairman to to   sign it as representative of of the rest of the  board to be given to the TDC in support of right   is there a second to proceed with his motion  to discuss yes all right so we have a motion  

and a second um I will say I did meet with Miss  Vigil today and shared with her our conversation   Mr granger by this and I think she's overall  appreciative and supportive of it but but did   ask that we maybe um pause just a minute uh to um  get some language that we could specifically make   an ask so that we're making a specific ask  of the TDC rather than just general support   um because they can support it just with a  resolution or verbally so I think there's a   desire to get a a specific ask so um I I think I  would just ask in in in the deliberation in the   motion is that you know um we you know be directed  to coordinate that uh the verbiage for that with   Miss Vigil prior to submitting it on behalf  of the CRA board i would modify my motion to   include the cooperation and collaboration  with DPC to determine what the specific   ask should be does your second still stand Mr  branch yes any other discussion from the board all right miss Horn please call the role  board member Hayes i'm not I'm not a board   member sorry my bad uh board member Lucas  yes board member Granger yes board member   uh Chairman Branch yes motion passes all  right if there are no uh other items for   the good of the order from the board we  will entertain a motion to adjurnn motion   to adjurnn oh motion to adjurnn i'll second  all right there we go we have a motion in a   second please call the ro Sageorn board member  Hughes yes board member Lucas yes board member   Granger yes chairman Branch yes motion  passes motion is Our meeting is adjourned