Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

[laughter] Okay, test. We're on. I cut it off. We're on now. Are they on? Yes. test. Can you hear me? Okay. That's me. I think testing is ain't got to be that loud more in this school. You not I'm not as loud as you get. I know you It's like you Oh, your mic's holding. You get you be yelling at people, Marty. Sometimes. I don't see the light. Come on. Oh, I can hear myself. You're too up in the ceiling there.

I make sure we silence our cell phones when we get started. I did it myself to remind you guys. We good on the left? We're ready. Good on the right. Ready. Special counsel, we good? Okay, sounds good. Uh, the plan and zoning commission meeting is called to order. Uh, 604. Mr. Ken Crowd, please take role. Chairman William Hardrick here. Mayor Marty Little here. Steve Olsen here. Mark JRO here. I am here. Councilman Lee Furnus, excuse Janet Dietrich here. Angela Williams here. Special counsel Joe Bond here. Katie Sanders, Community Development here.

Diane Robinson, Community Development here. Thank you so much. Can we all stand for the pledge of allegiance and remain standing for our service members, please? Thank you. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Please remain standing.

Thank you. Please be seated. Appreciate you all coming out this evening. Thank you all in the audience. Thank you all also on the desk. Um I trust that everyone had has had a good week last couple of weeks here. Good holiday. Um I will open the floor for a motion to uh to approve the minute the previous minutes. So moved. Second. Thank you Mark for that. Thank you Ken for that second. All those in favor.

All those who oppose and motion does carry. Thank you. We will now begin the public hearing. I guess we're going to hop into this extensive agenda we have here this evening. Anyone here from 9889 Page Avenue? Come on up, my man. State your name for the record, please. Nate your business. Uh Eric Henkins, Henkins Construction Company with um representing Lincoln Construction at 989 page. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for joining us tonight. Appreciate it. I'll go straight to Miss Diane. more information. Thank you so much.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, this is an application related to the installation of fencing which exceeds the 4ft height limit as specified in section 400.360. D.2 height. The fence is a proposed 7-foot chain link with privacy strips and two electric gates located in two separate areas running uh north to south at the rear of the building to obstruct the passing of vehicles from one parking lot to another. The property is located within the plan development commercial zoning district and per section 400.360.E E special fences shall be subject to review and approval by the planning and zoning commission as to materials, construction, location, and height in the plan development district. During the site plan review, it was determined the building encroaches into the rear yard setback, but due to the continuing nonconformity of the site, it does not require variance at this time.

Thank you, Miss D. Special counsel, you have any additional comments? No additional comments. This is just [clears throat] something that we came up with as part of the uh fences changes that, you know, certain fences would have to come through this process. So, this is kind of the first run of it, but um here we are, you know. Thank you, special counsel. Any questions or comments from the commission? Yes. Go ahead, Mark. Um Katie, I'd like to to clarify what the issues are here. Um I understand the issue about the fence height and I believe that that the ordinance says 6 foot chain link is okay in this.

So to be clear, at the time of the original application, the new ordinance for fences had not been passed yet. So when Diane had referenced the 4 foot chain link, 4 foot chain link was the maximum height at that time. So they're still in violation because this is 7 foot with a six foot chain link maximum. Okay. And my second question is is there a problem with the location of the fence compared to the residences behind to the location of the proposed fence relative to the residential street behind it.

I don't see foresee that there's any issue. It's that the fencing is actually running north to south. So it's from the back of the building and connects to existing fencing that's there. Um, actually on the west side, the fencing that's on the east side doesn't completely connect to that residential fence back there because there's the building. Correct. Correct. Yeah, it disconnects two of our buildings. Perfect. Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir. Any other comments or questions from the commission? Question. Just just so I'm clear here, if this is Paige here, we're talking on the west side and then it curves around then all along the north side and then it connects with the building. Is that what we're looking at?

Do you mind if I approach? Please. [snorts] That's zoomed in. Yes. There is this is Paige and this is the neighborhood all the properties. And so we're connecting that line to our existing fence. And this was we took that one down. This is proposed connecting. Got it. Okay. Thank you. I don't know if that answer your question. It does. Yeah. Thanks. So, it wouldn't be along the north side, the long side. It's just on the two ends. Yes. Okay. Yeah. This is That's [clears throat] Yeah, that's north there. Yes.

Okay. Thank you, M. Atkins. Any other questions? Yes. Um, why did you feel like you had to have a seven foot high fence?

Honestly, it's um safety and security. We've had I've I didn't know how in detail they um had a vehicle stolen. I have two haven't filed a police report on these. Two trailers stolen. Um a walk. There's a lot of stuff. The list keeps growing. probably over $100,000 worth of equipment stolen the last probably five years. So that is a big thing of just and I say the word riff raff is well people going out in the back and just walking in the back. We just want to close that and I mean you're talking about people wearing hoods walking through and we don't know who these characters are and I employ safety. I was like we just need to stop this like and this is the biggest thing to get people from stop looking at our equipment and this is kind of best approach to that. That's why we wanted seven foot because no one will jump over it. It'll be taller and thought it was recommended by other companies. This is kind of our own yard for this equipment and this material.

So, you didn't have the gates there either when they were taking your stuff away. Correct. The It was um one fence was there, but it's been removed. But um that gate's probably been gone since my grandfather. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions or comments from the commission? I do. Um, have you asked the neighbors or has anybody pulled the neighbors or if they're opposed to having a 7 foot security fence there? I have not asked the neighbors um

because I I know me personally, you know, worrying about not only their safety since they've had so much theft over the last 5 years, but my safety of the same individuals walking up and down, you know, behind the houses and in that area. Can Can I go to K? Is that something we've done before in the past? Go ahead. So, I just wanted to make sure everybody understands this is the [snorts] opportunity for the neighbors to come if they have any opposition to it or if they are in favor of it. We advertise this in on our city's website. We posted at the front of city hall and we also put it in a paper newspaper of general circulation.

So, if they were opposed to this, they could come this evening and speak to the planning and zoning commission and express those feelings. Yeah. More times than not, if they if somebody doesn't show up, then they're okay with it. More times than not. And occasionally we would get a phone call and we've conveyed information written or emails, you know, to that commission as well and we received nothing. And I Good question, Mayor. I I might add that some of the folks behind there might uh be in favor of this too, just so people aren't coming from Paige, right through their backyards, too. I would second that.

Thank you. Thank you support. Thank you, Miss Henkins. Any questions? Any other questions from the commission? Anything from the audience? No. Okay. Well, seeing none, I'll open the floor for a motion to recommend approval with sip lance with the stipulations as presented. I'll make the motion. Chairman, just I apologize. I don't mean to cut you guys off, but I want to make sure everyone's clear. This is not a rec I mean, we're approving it. This doesn't go to city council. So, this it's just handled here this evening. If you actually recommend approval of this, then we will get the excuse me, [clears throat] building permit process tomorrow so that they can get it um issued and and paid for. Yes, ma'am. Thank you.

No worries. No worries. I recommend approval. Let me just Yeah. Comment here. One of the reasons we're doing this is to make it easier for folks like you. So, you know, the former process was multi-step and multi-board for stuff like this, you know, if it if it makes sense to the applicant of the business, then try to get things going as quickly as we can. So, that's why we made some of these changes, just so you know that. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you, mayor. Thank you, Katie. I I I see I see that first. Is there a second on the second? Second. Thank you, Mark. It's been moved and properly second. All those in favor? I.

All those who oppose. That motion does carry. Thank you so much, Mr. Henkins. I'm pretty sure Katie's gonna be and Miss Dian will be in contact with you for additional information.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Have a happy new year,

Miss Katie Sanders. Or Miss Diane, is there anything for the commission. Anything for your report? No, sir. There are no uh nothing to report at this time. Okay. I'll report it. Okay. Any any other comments from the from the committee? Old business? Yes, sir. Mark

Katie, an update on the dominoes on Woodson like still kicking around. So, I had actually sent an email out uh about a month ago just kind of giving an update to the mayor and Jason about some of our plan developments that were nearing expiration or had been expired. Um I did reach out to the uh folks involved with that project, letting them know it was coming up on expiration. They said they still intend to move forward with the project. So, I did make it clear that if it expires, they're going to have to reapply. They can also send in a written request to extend it, I believe, but I haven't heard anything further at this time. Do we have any idea what the holdup is?

I do not. Thank you. Anything anything about the the staking shake of Ashbian page. That's another one that I also had mentioned to the mayor. I thought the same email. Uh yeah, I haven't heard anything further about that one either. Mr. Ken Crowder. Katie, I made the stop sign this morning at Dar and Paige. The old auto tower now says Dobs. That is correct. Are they moving? They are not moving. They're opening another location. Thank you. Yes, sir. We don't want them to move. I I think that would be silly. They do very good business at Wackland and Woodson. They do. Yes, sir.

You know, for the written administration building, those people leave their cars and walk to work. Well, we do the same thing here. [laughter] Yes, sir. Correct me if I'm mistaken. Didn't they buy and demolish a house right behind them? Correct. That was demolished. They actually consolidated that lot. There are there's been talk, multiple talks about them actually putting in an additional parking lot in that area because as everybody knows, yeah,

they they do a lot of business and have a lot of cars and they kind of spread around the area a little bit. Um I've had two separate meetings over the course of probably the last two and a half years with different folks um regarding that parking lot, but they haven't uh moved on it. Thank you. Yes, sir. Do they own the lot that is also where the old Jack in the Box was? That was not They do not because I know sometimes they park over there. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard like through the grapevine that they have an agreement to do that. They don't just do it. I hope so. [laughter]

Any other additional question or comments from the commission? Well, I hope you all had a a merry Christmas and I hope you all have a great new year and be safe. You don't be out too late partying too hard. Ken Crowder, I'll do my best. You know, [clears throat] I'm sometimes I backslide. William, [laughter] you you watch the community. If you guys are shifting to night owls like me, I'm playing the Oyster Bar this Saturday from 10 p.m. to 2:30 a.m. What? On Saturday? What are you planning? Uh the Broadway Oyster Bar downtown. Amazing. Oh yeah, cool. It's been about 20 years since I've been there. Mayor, [laughter] I will be there awake for the first half and who knows about the second half.

See no additional comments or questions. They come around and tell you you got to hurry up and drink or something. I think so. Well, I don't really know. Open the floor. I've heard that. For a motion to adjourn. So move. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Angela, for that second. It's been a move and properly second. All those in favor? I I All those who oppose meetingjourned at 6:19. Thank you all for your time. Wow. Happy new year. Happy new year, Mark. Hey. Hey. Yes. Happy New Year. Joe, I want the koi be cute at the hookah