Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

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You got to quiet it down without saying a word. I didn't say anything. Okay, we got the record button. Do the TVs off. Uh, yeah. We good on the left, Mr. Furnace, you good? Good on the right. Good. Special counsel, we're good. Audience, we're good. Okay. Yeah, I went there first. You just wasn't looking at it. That's what happened. I'd like to call the August 26th planning zoning commission meeting to order. Uh Ken Crow, please call. Chairman William Hardrick here. Steve Olsen here.

Mark JRO here. Mayor Marty Little here. I am here. Councilman Lee Furnus here. Janet Dietrich here. Angela Williams here. Special counsel Joe Bond here. Katie Sanders, community development here. Diane Robinson, community development. Thank you. Uh, please rise for the pledge of alleg allegiance to stay standing for for our service members, please.

Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Please be seated. I thank you all for coming this evening to the planning and zoning commission meeting. Uh it's great to see our full house here tonight. Thank you all for coming. Good to see the council. Thank you all. So, let's kind of get rolling. I trust you have already read the previous minutes. So, I open the floor for a motion for approval of those minutes from July 29th.

Make the motion. Thank you, Ken Crowder. Second. Thank you, Mark Jerome. It's been moved and properly second. All those in favor? I I. All those who oppose. The motion does carry. Thank you. Going to read this for public record. We will now begin the public hearing. Please be advised the plan is zoning commission is an advisory board that makes recommendation of the city council. Final approvals are granted by the city council. So, do we have anyone here from 100088 Page Avenue? Please step forward. State your name. Nature of your business, please.

Name is Patricia Suzu and I'm planning to open a business, a bakery, cafe um called Roto SDL. A West African a West African cuisine um infusion um bakery and cafe. Yes, ma'am. Okay. I'm not used to it. We want to hear your pretty voice. Is there is there a specialty dish we should know about in this bakery?

Um there will be um something called masa which is a rice um based um cake. Um there will be meat pie which is not your meat pie that is actually like ground beef with a in a pastry. Um there'll be um something called my moy salad which is actually Nigerian. I'm from Ghana, but it's um a Nigerian dish that I will be adding to salads to ingredients that you know, mango, tomatoes, pickled onions. So, everything is actually American with a twist of African flavors.

Thank you. Getting hungry. Um Katie, any comments, please?

Thank you, Chairman Hardrick. Um, as Miss Patricia said, this is an application for a bakery specializing in West African baked goods with global inspiration. The location was previously occupied by an on-site wireless repair service. The applicant will be applying for a building permit for renovation of the interior. The floor plan is included within the packet. There will be no alcoholic beverages sold at this location. There will be no dining in service, but will provide a counter for customers to stand at while they wait for their order. The countertop has accessibility for up to six patrons. The proposed conditional use will contribute to and promote the welfare and convenience of the public, making specialized baked goods available that people may not otherwise have access to in Overland. The location is busy as it currently is a location of five restaurants located within the strip. However, the bakery's proposed hours Monday through Thursday 7:30 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. Friday and Saturday 7:30 a.m. to 6:00 pm and closed on Sunday does not cause a greater impact in the intensity of use since they will close earlier than most of the other restaurants. Oings closes at 300 p.m. according to their websites. I did go out and check to see what the other um businesses have. Sides of Soul closes at 7:30. Los Palmus closes at 10:00. Um, STO on the Rocks is one that we're not sure of, but their hours were till 1:30. And then Bougie Bites, which is also on our agenda this evening, um, previously had um, hours up till 2:00 a.m., but she has revised her letter of intent as well. I have nothing further at this time.

Thank you, Katie. I appreciate you. Yes, sir. Thank you. Special counsel. Yeah. So, if you take a look at exhibit B here, which is that conditional use permit, pretty straightforward. just you know required to maintain lensure uh business license from the city if there's any license you need from like the county to sell food all that's kind of integrated in this um Katie mentioned the hours um loading and unloading are are limited to the hours the business hours as well I don't assume that's really a big issue for loading and unloading I hope not yet

yeah I mean yeah if it is we we can cross that bridge when we get there. Usually we try to keep it so people aren't loading businesses at two in the morning or something. Um, other than that, you know, it's a pretty straightforward uh CP request. So, I think Katie uh hit it on the head. So, thank you, Special Counsel. Mayor, any additional comments? I was just in uh the UK last week and had my first sausage roll. So, I was glad to see that you had that on the list. Yes, because I I realized that there was a gap here in the States.

When you go to Canada, you find them there and northern America as in Boston, but not in the Midwest. So, that's the reason why I have it there. Although, it's not Ghanaian. But, we do have our own um version of sausage roll. But because I lived in England, that's why I'm having the original. Nice. And it's good to see you. Any other questions from Yes, sir. When do you plan to open? That's right.

My wish hope is end of October that with how things are going, I don't know because I'm I'm just about to submit my building permit. So, have a lot of Yes, sir. Do you have any other locations? I don't have any other locations. Oh, no. I'm a baby in this. Okay. She comes to us from the corporate world. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. Any additional questions from the commission? Yes, ma'am.

I have a question about the grease traps that are underneath. Are they they go into the basement? No, it's just a flat. The whole place is not as What do you mean by basement? There's no basement there. Okay. Have any basement? So, how is that collected?

What I know is that this is um I have a sink that I need to like wash stuff in. Let's say that I have I've cleaned up my cake pans or my bread pans. Um sometimes you know you have to um actually um grease your pants. So when I wash it then it goes in there. So what do you mean by how is it collected? I don't understand. Maybe it's too

I don't think she's going to have any kind of frying or anything like this. It's a bakery. So um there there won't be that level of like if she was having a fryer and dipping things into there and she has to get rid of grease or any of that stuff. Um, otherwise I I don't know that her business requires a greased or do you dispose of it like where it's put in the back in a dumpster? It's it's like a stew like let's say I make a a um gravy or um what's it called? A sauce. Yes. For bread. That's when So it's there isn't going to be a lot of frying in there.

So it's just like going to go down the sink drain. Yes, I got you. May I comment? I think the the grease trap is a surface container that collects the grease as it goes through the sinks. The water goes through, but it collects the grease because it floats up and they over to over time have it cleaned. Yeah. Clean. You know, a company comes in and clean it like a plumber. No, they have a special company. another company, a grease cleaning company. Come in and clean the trap every few months.

Yeah. There it it it it runs so it runs out of the sink into a tube. At least the old ones did that I have experience with. They would run it runs out of the sink through your drain pipe and then um like um um Councilman Burns was saying, there's there's a plumbing system that allows the grease to drop because it's heavier. So it drops to the bottom and then the water continues on out. So the grease never is at the same level as the exit pipe because the grease will automatically drop down into this box. Um you know it's just a g it's a grease trap box, you know. So that's what I'm that's what my experience is from from having to deal with those eons ago.

Yeah. For my own safety and publicity, right? Thank you, Miss Dietrich. Any additional questions? I just have one quick question. Um, what does the health department I don't know the current regulations, what do they say about having to have a restroom for customers because I noticed on your site plan that the restroom's all the way in the back even and it is ADA because there's no seating. Okay. So, it's just fixed service. But I still had an ADA for that. I have somebody working there has special needs and needs to use the bathroom, right? So I'm making sure that it's there for Okay. or somebody who really needs it. Okay.

I mean it could be a customer, but at least somebody anybody can go in there. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Any additional questions or comments from the commission? Anything from the audience? I thought they were Thank you. I wanted to say something for that. They have a current business license, which is why I mentioned them, but I I was under the impression that they had clothes. Thank you. Okay. Yeah. Quite a few months. Going in on one of those spots. One of those spots. Yeah.

Any additional questions? Okay. Well, seeing none, I will entertain a motion uh to recommend approval of conditional use permit for stipulations as presented. Make the motion. William, thank you. Ken Crowder. Second. Not sure. Steve Olet, you beat Mark to the to the punch on that one. Okay. Ken Nelson came with the quick draw. Okay. Is it moved and properly seconded? All those in favor? I. All those who oppose. And motion does carry. Open for motion to recommend approval with site plan and stipulations as presented. Make that motion. Thank you, mayor. Second. Thank you. Thank you for that second, Mark JRO. This is moved to property second. All those in favor? I.

All those who oppose the motion does carry. Thank you so much. Thank you for your time. So, ma'am, will you get your feet on the ground? Would you come to our business association and tell us about your business? I will definitely. I I think I met with um Mr. little the other time when bougie bites open and I said I will please I know a guy can make that happen. Will they need Will they need to be at the council meeting on the 8th? September 8th. September 8th here in the chamber 6 p.m. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Have a great day.

Anyone here from 1082 Paige Avenue? Come on up. Please state your name, nature of business just for public record. Latoya Thompson, Bougie Bites SEO. It's good to see you again. I'm gonna go straight to Katie on this one. Thank you, Chairman Hardrick. Thank you.

This is an application to amend a previously issued conditional use permit. The conditional use permit and site plan were approved by city council on February 24th of this year for the operation of a carryout only restaurant. The applicant is proposing to amend the conditional use permit to include limited sales of alcoholic beverages and limited dining and seating. Further, the applicant is proposing to slightly slightly reduce the hours of operation from what was originally approved 11:00 a.m. to 2:00 a.m. 7 days a week. She's now proposing Sunday 11:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m., Monday through Wednesday 11:00 a.m. to 12:00 a.m. and Thursday through Saturday 11:00 a.m. to 2 a.m. The business model brand does contribute to and promote community welfare and convenience, making vegan food more accessible to Overland residents. Um, one thing I did want to clarify, it was not requested in your letter of intent, but I want to make sure that we address there's no outside seating. um that sidewalk is about six foot wide. If we put any kind of tables out on that sidewalk, we would then lose our ADA compliance for the the sidewalk. So, I just wanted to make you aware of that. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Thank you. Correct. Yeah. Once the tables are out there, you lose the amount of space that you need according to ADA requirements and that somebody wouldn't be able to navigate around it. If somebody has their chair pushed back or any of that sort of thing, Okay. All done. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Katie. Yes, sir. Special counsel.

Sure. So, if you look at uh the exhibit B, which is the CUP of the amended CUP, um you'll see there's there's some language in here that this amended CUP supersedes the prior one, which makes sense. um because it's kind of adding to um as Katie said, uh there's a provision that I would want to seek added um that I didn't draft initially before you, but the tables are to remain inside uh due to the potential ADA issue. Um and then uh as it relates to hours, I had drafted it to be seven days a week, 11 to two. Uh, I will get the updated hours from Katie and revise that in line. Um, however, I've drafted in here that alcohol sales are specifically limited to 11 to 10 p.m. Um, I don't know if that's something that you were seeking. I I know um there there might be issues with serving all the way until two. I don't know if there's any bars in Overland that serve until two. Um but that's that's drafted in there from 11 to 10 p.m. Um otherwise uh the other thing that I have added into this amended uh cup is that the alcohol sold on premises just has to remain on premises. I don't think that's going to be a concern for you. That would implicate your liquor license in the first place. So,

yeah, but 10:00 p.m. if it can go until 11 or 12:00 p.m., but I don't want to serve anything after Sure. 12:00 p.m. But yeah, I I think 10 11 serving like to 10 p.m. Especially on the weekends if they're open past that. Yeah. But not to 2 a.m. Sure. I I think um I had just drafted it kind of with a sort of deadline. Obviously, the commission can can uh change that recommendation. I just came up with the time to be honest. I just didn't want it to be in line with two because Oh yeah. No, because it's not a board and that's not the intentions, right? Because then it's the late night spot. Yeah. Um

so other than that um those are the the only pieces that I would suggest adding based um on my initial draft. Essentially tables due to the ADA have to remain inside. Alcohol has to remain on premises which seems like a no duh. Um and then I need to update the hours based on what Katie had provided and um discussion about the limit on the sale of alcohol just times. So um I would leave that to the c the commission to discuss you know if 11 or midnight is something that you're willing to recommend as well.

Thank you. Thank you special counsel. Mayor, any comments? Uh, you wanted me first this week. We I mean, we can roll into conversation about that. No, I don't have any objection to extending that time frame um to 11 or midnight, whatever you're requesting here. Um, with the limitations here that alcohol is only to be served for the folks dining in, you know, we don't want to, I don't think this is your intent, but we don't want to turn the Bougie Bites restaurant into a nightclub. Yeah. No. Uh, so so long as the small square footage. Yeah. Exactly. There's not a whole lot of standing room up front. So, so long as that's the understanding of just to serve alcohol to people who are eating there, I have no objection to extending that time. Mike, uh, pardon me. Sorry.

One other thing I did want to mention is it's currently drafted to be two tables with a total of six seats. I think that was premised on a conversation you might have had, not with me, but with Jason. Um, do you know how many tables you might have or seats? We still I'm still like processing like that because like The tables are like circular tables when you said that about ads because like oh I have patio tables outside which I realized is handicap accessible. Um and I don't think that they're six feet tables either. They're probably four in like they're not that big. They're circular small tables that literally three chairs sit around them. So

how I guess it's it's 1,700 square feet. It's not that much space. So, um, I guess my question would be as it's drafted right now, it's two tables, six seats. Uh, if there's more than three and three. Okay. So, three chairs per table. Six seats in total. So, six seats in total. Yeah. And that was based off the revised letter of nine. No, six tables. Two two tables, three seats. Yeah, that's what I that's what I intended to say. Pardon me. Yeah. Is that is that is that still the intention to keep it just those two tables? Okay. I just I just want to make sure that can you tell we don't have to amend it again based on like

there being more tables used. Oh, gotcha. That's my question. The two tables and then in the event that the tables become too much, if I decide to put a like a walk up stand or something, that can be an option. But it's still Yeah, that would it's not going to be able to fit like 10 or 12 people. There's just no space. I do have a question, please. You are saying that this is not a bar, correct? Correct. Um with what you're describing, how does it differ from um a bar? Um bartenders, mixed drinks. Um

who will be preparing the drinks at your place? Some will be already I'm hoping that the drinks are already like prepackaged drinks, but it is a full liquor license. You just can't get like the license is not for just, you know, wine in a can. So today you're asking for um liquor sales to be added. You amend you want to amend it to liquor sales. Correct. Right. In six months from now, what is your intent for the alcohol? For yeah, for your business to continue to serve I mean the food and alcohol as well.

I think councelor just asked a few minutes ago, will you be expanding as far as construction? As as far as your your your clientele business, I mean, for me, I think the area business wants to grow. Um, well, I went for from a food truck to a ghost kitchen to a brick and mortar. I have no interest in trying to grow anything else. This is the third one. It's all in the same business. So, I just started it. So, it needs time to grow itself. I'm into a five-year lease. Brick and mortar is fine. And the food truck is still going. I used to have an active food truck. Yeah.

And and per her letter of intent, this is limited alcohol sales. She doesn't have a full bar with hard alcohol behind her. It's a lot of pre-made stuff, vegan style drinks, um, champagne and wine, I'm assuming, in the smaller bottles, that kind of thing. So, she's she is it's limited. So, and did you write that into exhibit B as well, but it's I didn't specify the kind of alcohol because to your point, I mean, our license doesn't really break that down. And okay, I I want this to be drafted in a way that's enforceable and it's like, oh, these are pre-made mark. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. That that's been my approach in drafting and and I guess to kind of Well, the state of Missouri and St. Louis County, you can't just say, "Oh, I want to give complimenting champagne without saying, you know, like

you still have to apply for that complete price." And the way that this is defined out, I guess this is another uh I I integrated in the uh so it's a restaurant with alcohol sales defined as a restaurant bar in accordance with section 600 uh 0110 which requires more than 50% of the sales be food. Um so there's there's two different definitions under our code. There's restaurant bar, which is essentially a classic restaurant that might serve like margaritas or something. And then there's taverns, which is more of like a sports bar or more of like bar alcohol focused that might serve food on the side for less than 50% of their um sale product or what what have you. Um so as it's drafted right now, the goal would be that and that I think based on what you've communicated, you're largely going to sell food and like maybe a beer while someone's waiting is my understanding.

Yeah. But the the primary sales at the end of the day is food, not alcohol.

Any other question, M Council? Thank you. Thank you. So, let's try to shore up the the seating here. Uh because again, you're here for a second time when probably a lot of other stuff you want to be doing this evening. um with the limitation on the number of seats and tables, it's better to be more expansive here. So, if you want to say, you know, to a limit of, you know, 10 seats or 12 seats or whatever, whatever you can fit in there, um I'd rather have you have that option available to you than limit it to two tables and then if you add a third table, then now you're violating the

So, we're not saying you have to put up 12 seats or 10 seats or whatever, but it's better to have you space for you now as opposed to, you know, violating the That's fine, but my only question with I I mean, I will put that. That's totally fine. But people still can stand up and wait and enjoy a lunch. Just so everybody's aware on the flip side of that, the reason that we ask for the number of seats and the tables is because parking calculations, that sort of thing, so that we can look at in this particular instance, there is parking variance on this site,

but we still want to try to make sure that the parking accommodates strip mall on some level. Okay. We could amend that to be like 12 seats for customers. But yeah, to your point, if people are standing and waiting, yeah, I mean the I don't know what the fire code says the number of people would be in there. Obviously, you'd have to comply with fire code, right? I don't think you intend to not. So, I have 25 people like crazy. Do you I guess while we're discussing, do you have like an occupancy limit based on the fire code that you're aware of? should be on the the permit they gave you. Oh, is it? Yeah. I'm not

Yeah. Sorry, I didn't mean to pop quiz. Uh I I mean, we could even draft this to say, you know, limited to patrons in compliance with the fire code. I mean, I think that's always kind of a given under this. Um yeah. Uh any minor change to the site plan required by community fire can be done by Katie. Uh yeah, I mean we can spell it out specifically that patrons are limited to the number of people in accordance with the fire code. Yes. If that's what everybody would prefer.

Yeah. And that way it would satisfy Mayor Little and satisfy Miss Thompson. You can have two chairs out. Well, what happens if you have a wedding party that comes by? You know, and you're gonna need more cheers. Okay. Yeah. Then you can pull those out. Yeah. Yeah. Hire the food truck to do the wedding, right? What happens? I'm curious with the fire code. Is it was it set for I could see because it was carry out only and was it only accordance to my number of employees? I don't know. I'm not sure how they base their Yeah, I'm trying to get this computer up to see if we have a copy of the fire district because I that's one thing that the fire district enforces all that anyway. So, it wouldn't Okay, so Okay.

I I I wish I could help. So, it's like I don't want to say like according to fire code and then I go back and look, it's like, oh, it's only for eight people. We don't want it to hurt you, right? I don't know. I feel like those numbers are usually pretty high with you know, I don't know. I've I've never really looked, I guess, that closely, but um I'm just trying to think of how best to draft this that accomplishes what everybody wants, which I think is just, you know, alcohol stays in the establishment and we're not limiting you to only like three people can sit in there at once because that's Yeah.

limiting for you as well. Um, I guess we could say in accordance with the fire code or or um yeah, because we that makes sense to me because we can't violate that anyways and it sets a maximum that's already set, right? Unless you use the space however you'd like. I can't imagine the fire code would say like I need to see. Yeah, I know. I know. What is that? What is that? Um or what the occas maximum is. Yeah. And was that based off of carry out only and based off the number of employees

that would that would actually be inside the site? Yeah. Yeah. Katie, are you able to I'm trying? Yeah. Okay. While while we're Sure. While she's pulling up, let's let's discuss the alcohol sales times. And I was initially asked about 2 a.m. Then special counsel mentioned 10 and you mentioned maybe 11 or 12. Well, yeah. I don't want to sell alcohol until closing time. Yes, ma'am. Yeah. Yes, ma'am. So, would 12:00 be sufficient for the commission? What do you all think? Let's discuss it more. What's a good time? 11. So, initially special counsel mention 10. She mentioned two.

What do you hope? I feel that if um if it's going to be alcohol sales and especially after 10, 11, 12, 1, 2 o'clock, then would the food sales be greater than the alcohol sales? Would the alcohol sales be greater than the food sales? Well, sales of alcohol will stop at 12:00. Um, will you serve food all the way to closing time at 12? Food is still going to continue to be sold. So rather you come in at 1:00 or 12:30 and you wanted to get a beer or something, you couldn't get that. What are some of your menu items?

Um, so it's 100% vegan. So burgers, tacos, nuggets, um, salads. It's fast casual. The burgers are really good. Oh yeah. Yeah, I was looking at it. So, with the with the alcohol sales, you do you think the alcohol sales would supersede the food sales? Absolutely not. No, there's no way.

Yeah. Because your intention isn't to have a tavern where your your amount of alcohol sales exceed your food sales. So, you're offering the the prepackaged alcohol as a convenience to your customers. Yeah, it's a convenience and additional, but it's not like I'm coming to Bougie Bites to get a canned beer when I can just go down to the Mexican place and get some tonic like that wouldn't Yeah. No. So, it's kind of like the the Shake Shacks that have like a draft beer. Nobody Chipotle. Yeah. There aren't guys going into Shake Shack to down a bunch of beers, you know, at a at a table. I was thinking Blue City Deli. You know, you eat your deli sandwich. Same idea. Same. Yeah. I love their sandwiches.

Blue City Deli down in the city. Yeah, they should live like across the street from So, unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the fire district's occupancy um in here. And I was trying to look in the business licensing section because they do require a copy of it, but I don't think they scan that information in. Um so, unfortunately, I don't have that number for you right now. Sorry about that. So special would it be could could we use the verbiage of a certain number or fire code whichever is greater? Sure. Okay. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, we So the whichever is greater, we're not going to be able to supersede what the fire code prescribes. Okay.

So if our number is like 30 and fire code says 25, 25 will be the limit. Okay. you know, um I what we could do is we could uh and I'm just trying to tool around with some language here. Uh we could say to be limited to a number of individuals on site uh as 20 unless otherwise limited by the fire code. Okay. Is that

because that's kind of I'm trying to set the upper limit unless the fire code says um I'm just picking a number if there's a a number everybody else prefers. Um

are you currently open? Yes. Do you have like open for business? Yeah, for business. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have an influx at a certain time or do you have a a slowdown at a certain time or influx at a certain time in the in the later hours? It varies depending on the day. Um, lunchtime is good and then again like at 6:00 to kind of like 11. Will you still be using your uh truck? Oh, yeah. The truck still functions.

So, you're still going to be selling out of the truck as well? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz people book the truck for private events or corporate catering or festivals, but the truck won't sell on the truck won't be selling on site, right? I didn't hear you. Will the truck be selling on site where you where your pardon where your M store is? So the No, the truck doesn't sell on premise. That's the brick and mortar. Okay. Yeah. She houses the truck there overnight. It is permitted to park there overnight. Okay. Based on the prior CUP and this one would still allow it to park there overnight. You'll see the truck like it like a like park events.

Okay. Just come back on this. So, we're okay to 12:00 p.m. for alcohol sales. We okay with that? We We're still discussing that. 12 p.m. 12 p.m. 12 p.m. Okay. Okay. Any addition? 12 a.m. 12 a.m. 12 12 a.m. I'm a 12 a.m. Yeah. Yeah, dude. I didn't Yeah, I was agreeing. One hour. Yeah, we all agree. Like, wait a minute. You get one hour of sleep. I knew what you were saying. So, alcohol to 10, store hours to to to 12. No, no, alcohol till 12. Alcohol to 12.

Yeah. And her her store hours will be will vary. So, Sunday 11 to 10, Monday through Wednesday 11 to 12. Uh, Thursday through Saturday 11 to 2. And since we're always talking about alcohol by the drink here, just thought I'd make everyone aware. Uh, Governor Kho signed House Bill 1041 into law. This law permits all establishments with a buy the drink liquor license within the state of Missouri to operate for 24 hours a day serving alcoholic beverages 24 hours a day during the 2026 FIFA World Cup June 11th to July 19th, 2026. Yeah, just so we know. Yeah. Uh, local governments are permitted to opt out, but yeah, that was just I just got that alert today. Yeah. Yeah.

I woke up. That's not exactly how I would have drafted that law. I probably would have said you can get a special license to do it rather than say, "Hey, everyone's a lot of chicken fingers." A lot of a lot of chicken fingers. Yeah. So,

um I'm sure there will be additional conversation about that law in the coming months. But, so as of right now, uh just so we're all on the same page, the cup, the one we're talking about right now, supersedes the prior because we don't need the prior. Um, it's going to be a restaurant bar as defined under the code, which is 50% or more of food instead of a tavern, which is, uh, you know, 50% or more of liquor. Um, the limited, it's smallcale dining service limited to a number of individuals on site of 20 unless otherwise limited by the fire code. She will

I have I have twin two-year-olds. So um further such tables shall remain inside the establishment due the ADA potential issues. Uh alcohols to remain on premises. Um, I'm going to integrate in the hours that Katie had mentioned. And then I had amended. Uh, alcohol sales are limited from 11 a.m. the following day. Um, and then I think that's it that I've amended based on our conversation. So, um, if there are any other amendments,

happy to hear them. Any additional questions or comment from the commission? No, I wanted to say it's very cute. Your place is very cute. Oh, thank you. Anything from the audience? Any questions or comments from the audience? Okay. Well, seeing none, I open the floor to recommen approval to the amend the continuous permit or stipulated as presented by special counsel. So move. Second. It's been moved by Steve Olsson. Probably second on Mark Gerro. I have it backwards. All those in favor?

All those who oppose. That motion does carry. Uh open the floor to motion approval of site plan with stipulations as presented. Motion to approve it. Thank you, Councilman Furnus. Second. Second by Steve Olsson. All those in favor? I. All those who oppose. Motion does carry. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Would you come on back here, Katie, with us? What's that? Wish you to come back here on the 8th. September 8th. September 8th. We'll see here in Cambridge at 6 p.m. Thank you. She was like, this conversation's going on too long. That poor thing.

Well, think about it. You wake up and all you can see is a bunch of scary people you don't know. She's like, I need some more food. Like, oh, they So for the entire um strip, yeah, there's not supposed to be any and all of that has to be taken into consideration in a site plan review for anything like that. And then also when there's supposed to be alcohol sales or anything like that, I believe it's supposed to have like fencing around it or something of that nature. But not the state um alcohol

not alcohol but I can also it does not but I'm just curious not alcohol just like in general now the first thing that my concern is is for ADA compliance and not for the customers to sit at your tables but for the people that are trying to navigate around those tables and when I'm looking that the site plan that was given to me, that sidewalk itself is six foot wide.

So if you have tables and chairs out there, then you reduce that sidewalk and by ADA requirements, it's not enough space for somebody to navigate around the tables if they are in a wheelchair or handicapped. But it's three in So it's not about getting in the door. It's about going around. If I'm in a wheelchair and I'm trying and somebody's got a table out there and there's chairs pushed back, how am I supposed to get my wheelchair past all of them? meaning I guess if they were trying to go past your restaurant and going down to another restaurant or another store that's down there

if they came off of but it in general it's the sidewalk in its totality has to be considered for ADA compliance Okay. itself. But when you add anything, Yes. I was able to measure. They are actually

not complying. But I'm pretty If if they were to like rebuild or remodel that building, they'd have to expand. So, usually ADA only comes into effect on buildings if they're a certain age once you're actually doing like big construction or renovation. So you might see old buildings uh that don't have elevators or something like that, but when they actually renovate buildings, they have to put those in.

So the issue is that's always a cost that comes into any building rena. It's like if it's not ADA compliant, kind of like the conversation we had earlier, right? If the bathroom weren't ADA compliant, that's an additional cost to make it so. But if it's before, Right. Right. I I I think the the issue is it's it complies technically legally because it was built before the ADA was in place. Right. You've lost your compliance. Right.

Yeah. But if they were to rebuild the building and expand that sidewalk to make it more compliant, it wouldn't necessarily be an issue, right? Yeah. So, thank you. Good. Good. I'll get those hours from you, Katie. Okay. I'll just draft them in. Any additional any additional comments, Katie? Please. Astra Autism Centers.

Sorry about that. Ad Astra Autism Centers LLC is proposing to expand their existing business. They are currently located at 1972 Interbelt Business Center Drive with an approved conditional use permit granted by the city council on November 25th, 2024. The proposed expansion is into neighboring unit 1974 Inner Belt Business Center Drive. The expansion will provide the business nearly 8,000 square feet of space and allow for an for additional employees as well as space to serve up to an additional 10 clients at this location. The conditional use permit was approved through an administrative amendment on August 20th, 2025. The expansion keeps with the intent and spirit of the original conditional use permit approval is an appropriate amendment in light of the operation of the conditional use permit since approval and not a substantial deviation from the original conditional use permit approval or conditions placed thereon.

Thank you. Yes, sir. That's all I have. Thank you. Do we have any any unfinished or new business or anything from the good of the group? Maybe a planning and zoning field trip to these two, you know, lovely places. We'll definitely see you all, you know. Okay. Uh, seeing no additional comments or questions, I open Ken Crowder. No, I'm just going to Okay. I open the floor for motion to adjurnn. I'll make the motion. Thank you, Ken.

Second. Thank you, Councilman. It's been moved and properly second. All those in favor? I. All those who oppose? Motion does carry. Meeting adjourn 649. Thank you. Thank you.