City Council - Regular Meeting

to a future meeting and the city council uh will be going into a closed door session before the city council meeting. So we'll have that note. Appreciate uh Lieutenant Jameson coming in a different time and appreciate his flexibility and doing that, but that will give us some time to cover um a closed door matter. So with that, I will turn the time over. Oh, Steve, I baronowski. It was Finowski.

Baronowski. Okay, we're going to turn the time over to Mr. Baronowski from Home Serve USA and he's the manager of Partner Success and Home Serve USA. They're the company that we partner with to do water and sewer line insurance. So, I'll turn it over to

Thanks, Mayor. Uh Steve here. We've been working with Steve for quite some time uh since we started the program. Um and talking about saving water. These guys help our citizens save water in a certain way. And so uh without further ado, I'm I'm kind of the liazison. So uh he come out several times to just discuss different elements with I thought it might be a good point which um and council has actually come and talked with council for a little while. I thought now would be a good time to have you come out and do that. Thank you.

Well, thank you Brandon. Yes. Uh good afternoon. I'm Steve Fernowski, your account manager for the service line program. Uh it's actually been uh quite a few years I believe three years since I've last addressed council and it was um well we just surpassed a million dollars uh in residential savings. So um I'm very appreciative of you updating me on your program because I do see a lot of new faces around since the last time I was out here. So um you I can put a a name to the face of the the program and I'll be happy to answer any questions that that you have. But I just really wanted to kind of talk about for anyone that's unfamiliar. We are what we do as a program, give you a little bit of um program oversight and then dive into the the statistics for orum and then kind of want to um talk about ways that we can continue educating the residents of ORM that the the program is out there. So who we are, we partner with over 1300 municipalities and utilities throughout the United States to really educate residents on their water and sewer responsibilities. Most people don't know the water and sewer lines are their responsibility until something happens and then the first thing they they tend to do is call city hall and say, "Hey, the guys are in my front yard. You guys need to come fix it." And have to have that unfortunate conversation that on the private side. This is actually your responsibility. So, what we've been doing since uh 2015 is we've partnered with the city of ORM to send out direct mailers to your residents letting them know that hey, your water and sewer line are your responsibility and we offer optional coverage if residents are uh interested. So, we did a survey in 2025 and it showed that, you know, 81% of um residents or customers didn't have or had a home repair emergency in the last

12 months. And then one in four didn't have $500 in their account to be able to pay for any such emergency that that would pop up. So currently with the city of ORM, we have two coverages. The first being the water service line that is currently priced at $4.7 a month and that is unlimited coverage. So if a resident becomes one of our customers and they having an issue, they give us a call. We are staffed 24/7, 365 to deal with any type of emergency. So, even if it's 1 or 2:00 in the morning and something's happening, they'll be able to call us and we'll get somebody dispatched out to their residence ASAP. And the nice thing is they only have to pay that $4.7 a month. If they do file a claim, there is no service charge. There is no deductible. And then, um, with the coverage cap being unlimited, you know, if it's uh a complete line replacement, the residents don't have to worry about any out-of- pocket cost. So typically it could be few hundred just to the line but you know if it's discovered that you know this lead service line that bring up the federal guidelines it's a complete placement and residents don't have to worry about the out of pocket. So, for the the sewer septic line, uh that is currently priced at $657 a month, but same as the water, no coverage cap. There's no deductible, no service charge if they have to file a there's no limit how many claims they can file in a year. So if if they they file a claim in January and you know it was a pretty um you know just a tree route or something we can um it opens up as many claims as they need to. So later on the year if later on down the line uh is acting up they can

give us a call and we'll send somebody out. Uh again there would be no coverage cap no out of pocket expense. So, is is repair sneaking the line or what is repair? Is it do you blockage?

It just depends. So, we work with the local contractors that will come out, look at what's going on, maybe camera the the line to see what it is and um you know, fix whatever the issue is. Now, if they can get away with just jetting the line, they you know, we can certainly do that. But if the lines shape Yeah. um and they recommend that hey we need to do a full or partial replacement um they'll call our team our contractor team and my company and you know discuss the different options and what best for the resident right so to an important slide so we currently have uh little more than 2500 customers in ORM that have signed up for a total of 4,300 00 policies. Now, we've not mailed City War since 2021, but we still have over 2500 customers with, as you can see down there, the 90% retention rate year-over-year. Residents are keeping the coverage mainly because it's it it's cheap, it's reasonable, and you know, you just you never know with a water and sewer line where you're going to have an issue. Um, and it kind of gives them that that peace of mind. So, um, I really like that 90% retention rate. Um on average I would say um 75% is pretty reasonable is pretty good what we see with other partnerships. So um definitely ahead on that. And then also uh we've completed over 1,200 claims saving to date uh a little more than $1.7 million. So you know hopefully in a few months I'll be able to come back and present $2 million saved as I did a couple years ago for the $1 million mark. That's always a cool milestone to hit. And then after each claim, we do send out customer satisfaction surveys, make sure that they were happy with the service they had. Did anything pop up

that, you know, they were unsure about? And um we have uh the current 4.82 out of five. So considering the partnership's been around for over 10 years, that's a solid number that we're very happy about. And um you know if anything was to go wrong or they do put a note in there that they were not happy with a certain aspect, we do reach out and say, "Hey, what happened? What can we do to make it right?" And this is just a little bit of a breakdown between the two different coverages. As far as the enrollments are pretty much dead even. Um see there's a little bit higher claims for the sewer septic line and same with the cost which is pretty normal. Uh regardless of where you are in the country, sewer rock tends to be a little bit more expensive than a waterline coverage uh when it comes to the claims. But um yeah, it's great to see that saving almost a million dollars just on sewer itself.

And then I included in the packet, this is some more recent uh I think from um the end of 2025 some customer satisfaction feedback. what I was talking about the the survey that we send out, it does give them an option for any type of feedback and um a lot of times they just, you know, will rate us, you know, four or five stars, but you know, these residents did have um some nice words about the program. And one thing that I do like to point out every time I meet with a partner is we have uh homes cares. That is our foundation where we try to give back to the community. The main one that I like to call out is the caring for people. This will be for any resident in a bullworm that is not a current customer. Then something happens that really puts them in a tough position. Uh and either the city or the residents themselves can go on the home serve cares website and file to have a claim uh uh taken care of by a local contractor at no cost to the homeowner. And again, this is for anybody that's not currently a customer. So being that you're a partner, this is always open for you. I've I've had different partners from New Mexico to Florida that have reached out and utilized this that is here whenever you would need it. So just something to keep in the back of your mind if you know later on down the road catch wind that's somebody that's might may be on a fixed income or something like that is having an issue. Home serve care is is here for that. And then just moving forward, um you know, there's different ways that we can communicate that. Wow, I'd love to get another mailer out. There's definitely some different content that we can do. I know you have a nice um spot on your website for, you know, welcome to ORM for new residents, but even, you know, current residents if we wanted to get some social content up just letting them know that, hey, this program is available. You're going to have uh links

to my company or the call center. I have all the digital um assets that you would need to to upload and make it part of um the website. If you're interested, you just let me know and I I'm happy to work with whoever in charge of the city website to to get that up. Uh and then yeah, same thing uh social media. I mean, social media is done for everything nowadays. So, you know, we can always put blasts out on social media just letting people know that uh hey, this program is still around or say one president of ORMS $1.7 million on this program. For more information, please go to their website or you know give us a call at um you know the 800 update and I have post II that you're more than welcome to utilize and that's really it. I I decided to keep it short and sweet. Um, anybody have any questions for me?

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I do. And maybe it's not as much for you even as it is for Brandon or somebody. And that is if if I mean, we got the postcard whenever it was. And I was like, what what is this? How is this? And how do you decide I guess who you partner with or how does how does that decision get made if residents ask us? um back in the day um when they first approached us uh Steve DS and research into looking into the company and how they were rated and uh with these customer ratings type of things to try to determine if um other entities that use them. So ref from a reference standpoint and he discussed that those and did some research in that regard and that's how we then settled on them and they've been a good partner since then. So that's really how that has come to be where we're at today. If I can add to that what what they provide us is quite unique and you may have some that attempt to feed. I think that someone could go and and and you know this isn't forced on any residents. So if someone wanted to try and see if they could get another insured ensure the sewer lines city's line what's what's not in their house what's the line that is being insured through the service. Many cities find that they get residents that come and inspect the city to make those repairs when it's between the house and the city's connection. And um I mean I think previous to this partnership maybe we tried to find a way to help or direct them to you know good contractor. we provided what help we could, but

typically cities just say that isn't the city's responsibility. So, this was a way for us to kind of proactively find an option and a solution for residents and you know it uh we've got to keep the distinction and make sure our residents know that we are distinct and separate but also provide a solution. And so that's that's kind of the partnership that that we try to engage in. I don't I don't know of anyone else who who um partners with cities to in this way. Absolutely. So I mean at the end of the day we could we're a company we could market to anybody in the United States. the approach that we take, we we will not market uh to a city unless we have a partnership or an agreement with a city because there are so many fraudulent, you know, pieces of mail that people get every day. You know, I I get it. And, you know, with the partnership through the city, it kind of just catches the resident's eyes and at the end of the day, it gets uh the conversation started. even if they don't want the program, the optional coverage, at least they're aware of it that the water and sugar line are their responsibilities. Or they might reach out to their homeowners to see that, hey, it's my home. I thought this was my homeowners. And nine times out of 10, it's not covered by the homeowners. Um if it is, they might be able to do, you know, rider, but there's still a standard um deductible, service charge, all that that stuff that applies whenever you file homeowners claim. And that's kind of where we differ. Just um trying to give residents. I love the educational aspect of this actually. I think there's a lot of value in that. Is there any interest in doing another mailer? You said 2015 was the last one you did.

We've been a partner since 21. So it's been 5 years now. Yeah, absolutely. But and before we mail, we always get the city's feedback. You're always eligible to to take a look at it and say, you know, we like this, we don't like that. There's going to be certain things we need to leave, even though for legal purposes, but our marketing team is very good about customizing the letter for you. You know your resonance. you know what they're going to like, what they're not going to like. So, before we mail anything out, we always get the okay from the city. Thank you.

Can you share uh what some of the common repairs are? I'm I'm just curious as to how often one of our residents uh has to replace a whole line, water or sewer, and what what would we expect to see uh from residents in ORM in terms of issues that come up that might be covered by what you do and how often does that happen?

Yeah. So, there was I believe about uh 1,200 claims. So that's give or take what in 10 years 120 a year. Um so we definitely um towards the beginning of the the partnership it's it's always slow there's there's more enrollments than there are um claims and actually let me look here think one thing I forgot to point out in 2015 I'm sorry in 2025 we did 102 claims for over $163,000 so you know that could be anything uh as I mentioned it could just be tree roots or it could be a faulty line and um even if say it is just a tree root something that typically would just be a jet or clear it out but it's discovered it is like a lead line that needs to be replaced we're not just going to jet the line we have to bring it up to local state and federal guidelines. So, um you know, we would replace a full line in that instance. And it just it really depends on um each individual kind of how the the house is situated. You know, there's a lot of trees. Obviously, we I'm from western Pennsylvania, so we have a lot of uh trees out there, same as you do here, and that that's tree roots are a very big problem where I'm from. Um whereas I also work in um New Mexico where tree roots are not a huge problem. So uh it it really just kind of depends on the uh individual cities that we work with. Uh but you know over 100 claims a year is is pretty good.

You have any any guess as to how many of those 102 claims would be replacements? Not off the top of my head. I I just the report that I I typically receive on a monthly basis just has the breakdown on the different um types of coverages. But if you like I I when I get back um later this week I can do a little bit more digging and I can provide you more information. I can give you an email. Thank you. Absolutely. I have a question. So is there a a life expectancy of a In other words, um we have a lot of overs, you know,

some are on borrowed time maybe as far as that those pipes go from the city connection to their home. Is there like a time where you should really be thinking about it's been in this home for 20 years or 25 years or 35 years. Is there any kind of data or research that shows this is when you're going to have a problem after so many years?

Yeah. So, it depends on the type of line that was utilized. Um, a lot of times when there's like a galvanized or like orange or I not sure what all in form your lines are made up of for some of the the older infrastructure, but really anything over probably 20 or 30 years going to, you know, maybe they they want to look into this coverage. If you have a new housing plan that's was built in the last 5 years, you know, they're good. That's not really what this is this program is for. It's those older houses that uh were built in the early 1900s that who might have had three or four different owners knows that there's ever been an issue or a line replacement because you know everything's underground and you don't know until there's an issue that you know oh this is what my pipe's made of. So, um, but yeah, I would say 20 to probably closer to 30 years would be, um, the lacing expectancy.

Jeff, when I I found my in my neighborhood, the homes are between 40 and 50 years old. And this is sad because it it does affect my neighbors, but I begin to see when other neighbors start seeing the trench in their start seeing this, you start seeing that happening. And it's not just a oneoff and and so you kind of because if you're in a subdivision uh probably built with the same materials about the same time. So if you do have neighbors who've who've experienced that that's probably a a sign that they're looking three in our neighborhood at the 35 40 year mark. Yeah. That's what inflame water.

I bet you most of their customers come from seeing a neighbor who has something happen and they go, "Oh, I'm right here. Maybe you better go do that. Yeah, I think if they know about it, right? And I would say, you know, for a partnership plus years like ORM, word of mouth is our best marketing. And that's why we take customer service seriously, not just because, you know, they're your residents and we want to make sure that we're shining a good light on ORM, but

yes, one of our customers could have an issue and they said, "Oh yeah, they came out, fixed everything, it was super easy." They tell their neighbor. Who tells their neighbor? and the mailers that go out are great for letting new like new residents and older residents that haven't got in in a while. But um word of mouth is is really the best marketing tool that we can have. And if I can emphasize with that and and again part of the uniqueness of this service if we were getting a lot of complaints from our residents saying they're trying to get out of or easy to work with or didn't bring a subcontractor that was going to do quality work and and bring it up to standard current standards then we wouldn't we wouldn't be continuing with this partnership. So, so unless you've heard of any complaints from residents that I have a um that's really been a big big part of why wanted to continue this.

So, how would someone how do people contact you? How does that how does that happen if someone's interested to sign up to sign up for your service? So, if we want to get another mailer out, um there are um a self-addressed return envelope that residents can fill out. Marketing still are um enrollment numbers that we see that roll in are still through the direct mail. Uh but, you know, residents can go on on our website today or give us a call. call centers located in Chattanooga, Tennessee. And they can sign up on on the website or through the call center today if they wanted to.

What's your web address? It's SL. We have we have links on our website. Oh, do we have links on the website? Center, too. Our staff immediately directs them to the call center. Do you know where those links are? I was just going to say I was going to go and know they were there once upon a time. So, it's probably a good idea that I check with 311 to make sure that they still have the contact information and that yeah that it's still out there on our utility billing. It would be nice to have a specific page to uh send people to if they have

orum.govservice service line service line again it's Pete and you know I can order Brandon too get you know some updated materials on on there as well but um yes so they can if they go on the city website and they see that they can click the link go right to our website or again call our call center thank you so it's not on our that welcome page we have service line. Is it worth putting it on that welcome page? I

think we'll put it on our, you know, just like with anything, we shine light on occasion certain services. So, I think we wanted to make sure that you were all, you know, feeling good about this partnership and and we happy to reemphasize, highlight. I definitely feel great about this partnership. Okay. And there's no cost for the city to do anything. We incur all the marketing char uh costs and everything like that. Right. If there aren't any more questions. Thank you. That was informative. Very informative.

I uh I appreciate you letting me join and uh I look forward to We are also partner with uh Ormfest. So hopefully I'll be able to come out in uh it's June, correct? June again. I a couple years ago worked car show and that was a lot of fun. Nice. So, where did you come? Where do you come from? I'm from Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh. Okay. So, yes. Heading back home tomorrow. And uh I will love I mean this is absolutely gorgeous. So, I wouldn't mind a second home out here. I'm very jealous of you all. I'd have the Steelers, Pirates, and Penguins. Let's have

Well, safe travels. Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. Thank you. All right. Thank you. The next item on the agenda is a presentation by Mland Association of Governments, MAG. Now, is this is it are we going to be talking about the transportation? Yes. Okay. Let me give you a little background as they're getting set up. One of my uh responsibilities as mayor is I serve on represent ORM on what the MO which is metropolitan planning organization. I think that's the right did I correct? Good. um a gold star

and we talk all things transportation in Utah County and everything from talking about the federal monies that we may receive different projects that will be coming and on be on plans and and so last the last meeting I was at I asked if they could come and present to you because I thought the information was so valuable as we make decisions uh in in planning and and in governing the city that I I wanted to have you have at least know what information is available to us as as we go forward on that. So turn the time over to you two.

Well, thank you, Mayor Mckendless, and uh it's nice to see some familiar faces. I worked with a lot of you over the time and and we're glad to have glad to be here and present. My name is Bob Allen. I'm the programming manager at MAG and Deon Felt here is the transportation manager um for us as well. Um Len Stavenport, unfortunately, she wanted to be here but couldn't be. She actually serves on the planning commission for her community and they had a meeting tonight so she couldn't make it. Um we're here to talk about what you want to talk about. We have a very highlevel presentation about what MAG is and what we do, but please don't hesitate to stop and say, "Bob, we really want to talk about this or we really have questions about that." And we're happy to have those conversations with you. Um, just very high level, MAG is one of Utah's seven association of governments. We're a regional organization that brings local communities together to think regionally and and work together to plan for the future. Um we advocate for local priorities but also help communities to think regionally. Um we have three main focus areas. We have our aging services. Many of you have probably seen our meals on wheels trucks running around. Um so there's a lot of aging services that we do. We also do community and economic development work. And uh of course Kevin and I and what the mayor was talking about is we're we're certainly heavily invested in planning for the future for growth. We cover summit Utah and Wasatch counties. Um, our MO the as the mayor mentioned actually only just covers Utah County or the urban area of Utah County and we do run an RPO which is kind of what an it's an MO light which uh is in Wasach and Summit counties we call the Wasatch back RPO. Um we again we administer community and economic

development planning programs. We support regional transportation and land use visioning uh through the was choice vision and we certainly provide a forum for regional discussion and collaboration. Um a lot a lot of times it's easy for communities to start thinking about just my community and not worry too much about what's happening on the borders and and we are an organization that tries to help bring those together. Um an NO is a federally designated group. uh anytime an urban population gets above 50,000 in in population, they're required to have an NO. Um and so that's what we're here to do is help create um a plan for our transportation future. We'll talk about two of the big products that we uh create in just a moment. Um we're broken up into three divisions. We have our transportation v division that uh Kevin and I both work in focusing on again transportation planning. We have our analytics division um that is as you would guess data analytics GIS mapping um our transport our travel demand models our real estate models etc. And then community planning division that um provides community planning s assistance uh to communities uh stationary panning. There's a local uh administrative advisor that they do and again we also do economic development as part of as well. Um I'm not going to go through all of these but these are just some of the programs that we do. Um, many of you may have heard of the unified planning work or I'm sorry, the Utah's unified transportation plan, community development block grants, um, the regional transportation plan, the tip, technical assistance, you know, we do many different things. Corridor

preservation program. Many of you notice when you register your car, there's a $10 fee that goes directly to purchasing rightaway or corridors for future roads. we administer that. There's a lot of different things that we do and we're happy to talk through any of the any or all of these as you have time. Um,

as I mentioned, we're a Utah County's federal designated NO. Um, the two primary products that most people are aware of that we create are the regional transportation plan or you probably heard RTP and the transportation improvement program, the TIP. It's a very important difference between the two. An RTP is a good example of what an RTP would be is like your general plan. It's you looking out into the future 10, 15, 20, 30 years and saying this is what we want to be in the future and these are policies and steps that we want to take to meet that future goals, objectives, etc., etc. The transportation improvement program is where actual funding comes into play. This is like a capital facilities plan that you have that's five years out that you say in 2027 we have a million dollars and we're going to build this with it. That's what the tip is. So the RTP is that long range plan and the tip is kind of how we implement the RTP. And we'll talk more specifically about both of those. Um we're governed by our locally elected officials. As Mayor McCandless said, she serves on our board. That that board includes all of the elected officials or or mayors and the county commission as well as partners with U. UTA division of air quality, federal highways. Um we also have uh Camp Williams as an exopicio member. Um it's staffed by again professional planners, data analysts, and transportation experts such as ourselves. Um, and why it matters is transportation projects must be in the RTP to receive federal and state funding. So, you know, cities do a great job of dealing with local roads and and they're built through development, maintained, etc. We're talking about regionally significant roads, the the

big stuff. Uh, let me go ahead. Uh, regional transportation plan. Kevin, you want to talk a little bit about that? Um really the the purpose of it is again Bob mentioned we're f federally required to have a metropolitan planning organization for any area over 50,000 people and obviously this Utah Valley Utah County is is over 50,000. So, we have the MO and our charge is to really long-term plan for the all modes of transportation, roads, transit, active transportation, all of those things. And hopefully some of the things we do um positively impact your city as well as help you understand what that future um network of transportation opportunities are so that you can better plan your land uses and those types of things. We really try to provide um planning work for safe and efficient modes of transportation which improves the mobility, safe movement of goods and people and also for your growth as I mentioned. Um so we we we do this regionally. So what we're looking at is urbanized area of Utah County, which is all the cities all the way from what Geneva up to Santa Quinn all the way up to Lehi and over to um Fair View and the whole organized area of the county. Um so we we do that by looking at it on our end quantitative perspective. You know, is the project needed based on conditions and those types of things. And then many of the the subjective or the qualitative um aspects of that plan come from the board and and the folks that that don't really have the um they have the purview of looking over it,

making sure we've done our job basically is what you're saying. Um and what we try to do is align that with the needs of of the region. Also because our region explains others particularly to North and Wesley Front Regional Council which serves as the Metropolitan Organization in Salt Lake County. We have to coordinate with them to make sure that there's a lot of folks here in the county that that work up there or vice versa. They live up in Salt Lake County and work down here. So we have to make sure that we coordinate with all of that as well. We update this every four years. Um right now we're in a cycle to update it. Um it'll be adopted hopefully adopted um next June and that'll last until um the horizon year is 2055 and then we'll do another plan hopefully will be adopted in 2031 which may have the same horizon year but it may also go to identify that yet. What I do want to also mention is what is the regional transportation council? Again, it's a unified transportation blueprint for all of Utah County. Um, it plans it the plan actually helps you in your growth. Um, improves your regional mobility for all the modes again, highways, transit, uh, active transportation. We also what we do is when we start building the plan within with a lot of projects in it look at all of the local government um plans as well to try to get all those projects in. What I will mention is that all of the projects that end up in the plan at the end at at adoption have to be what we call um fiscally constrained and that's kind of a a misnomer in a sense. But what we do is we also look out and see not only what are our transportation needs for those years, we also look out and see what

financial um revenues that we might be obtaining in that time period. So our plan has to be um something we can afford is what it really comes down to. What it is not is not a a mechanism to allocate specific dollars. That's what Bob's going to talk about in a minute with the transportation improvement program. What we're doing in a nutshell is we are if if you wanted to purchase um a new home and you've got four or five different revenue sources that you have. You have um your income from your your job, you have income from interest, you have income from, you know, stocks and bonds and whatever other things you may have. But you're not assigned any specific dollars from those pots of money that you have. That's what the RTP is. We're just a big pot of money and a bunch of projects that add up to the same amount. That's kind of kind of what we do. We don't do land use policy. We do look at land use from the perspective of population and employment, but we do not do land use policy. That is perview of the local governments and we stay out of that that that stuff. Um, it's also not intended for local streets. All the local dollars that you have go to those local streets. That is not part of our plan. So, if you wanted to widen 600 north, it's not a a regionally significant roadway. So, that would be the dollars that you would spend on not be involved in that at all. And I think the big thing is this this blue bar at the bottom. And Bob's already talked about it in a sense. If a project is receiving federal or state funding, it has to be in the regional transportation plan.

That I'll turn it back over to Bob. Talk about the transportation improve.

So transportation improvement program and the tip again very high level. This is where the money hits the road. You know, the rubber hits the road. This is where money hits the road. Um it's again another federally required plan. Uh but instead of looking out through 2055, we're only looking out through 2030, 2031 and identifying the projects that will be built, what kind of money will be going to them, what year that money will be available and and getting that project up and going. Um it covers again all transportation modes and we have to maintain fiscal constraint as well. It it includes all in regionally significant projects whether they're funded through MAG through UD do through UTA and you can see kind of on the chart on the right our TIP is comprised of those MO funded projects UD do funded projects UTA funded projects they all get compiled together into our TIP our TIP is compiled with all the other NPOS's TIPS as well as UT rural projects that rolls into the STIP the statewide transportation improvement program. This plan we update every year um as per requirements but MAG for our our process of assigning funds to projects that only happens every two years. So at a glance I'll go through the slide then we'll maybe stop and see if there's any questions. So question we often get is how does an idea of become a reality? Well, it starts with identifying a need. And often times that's the communities helping us identify that. Whether that's through congestion that's existing or growth issues, maybe there's a safety concern. Maybe there's new transportation modes. Can't tell you how many times people are starting to talk

about air mobility and all these kinds of things and asking about it. Maybe there's a regional trail or there's a gap somewhere that we need to fix. any number of ways that say, "Hey, this is a regionally significant pro project. We have a need. Let's start talking about it." Then it goes into the RTP that Kevin talked about. It goes through that process where we start looking at the project and say, does it meet local needs? Um, it gets phased and prioritized based on the goals and policies that our board gives us. uh we run through a data driven process to identify uh what is most important of it. Sometimes we uh do specific corridor plans to identify are we making the right decision or building the right project for the to fix the problem and of course we need to make sure that it meets air quality standards. They're strict air quality standards that we have to cover as part of that. So then that project hopefully gets listed in the RTP and says, "Okay, it's a a phase one need. We need it in the next 10 years." Then it goes to the prioritization or programming process. And really that's where things kind of split ways a little bit. There's the UD do or state prioritization process. They, you know, it depends on the year anywhere between a little bit less than a billion. Some years they don't do much of anything depending on the state budget. And then there's other years where there's multiple billions of dollars of

So these are annual. The billion and 110 million are annually. So the top one is annually. Every two years,

correct? And that is these are the big projects. We're building a freeway. We're putting in a new interchange. We're um building major arterial kind of roads. That's that's where most of those projects come from because simply you can see MAG's pot of money is only $110 million every two years. You you guys probably know this stuff's expensive. You know, an interchange these days can be anywhere from 60 to hundreds of millions of dollars. Um but UD do their process is annually. So they have a prioritization process annually and the transportation commission is the people that make the final decision of what should be funded and what shouldn't. For MAX process, we do it by annually and we only have $110 million. These are some more of the kind of what I would call kind of missing middle projects. Cities do a great job with local roads, but it's hard for communities to fund those nonUD do facilities in the middle.

Could you maybe give an example or two um from the last handful of years of of what regional projects MAG has programmed in ORM?

Sure. So, Lake View Parkway is a great example. Um, uh, the new roundabout down on 12th and 4th, the proposed roundabout that turned into not a roundabout up on 16th and 4th. Um, there is a widening of Center Street between the freeway and Geneva Road. That's a upcoming project. Those are kind of those missing middle. There may not be a UD do facility and it's pretty expensive for a city to come up and build that but it's not on UD do's I won't say it's not on their radar it's just not their facility they don't tend to spend money on somebody else's facilities so it's those kinds of that scale of project and one of the reasons we do only do it every two years is because really we only generate about 55 to60 million in revenue every And we've got a lot of mouths to feed, so to speak, a lot of demands. And so when somebody comes in and says, "So Center Street, the widening of Center Street, I think that was 112 million is what we're awarded for that." It's really hard to give $11 million when the pot is only 550 million when there's so many other people that have $10 million projects. But when it's 110, okay, it's a little easier to say, okay, yeah, let's give ORM that or let's give Lehi or Sanquin or wherever that. So that's why we do that. And the MO board is the final meeting. We're right in the middle of a process right now. Your staff has submitted a couple of ideas to us and we're working through that process to um find some projects to potentially fund an ORAM. It's a pretty competitive process for sure and because there's lots of needs and not a lot of money but great question. Any other questions about like programming how a project becomes a thing?

I just want to mention to the council that it's important when that why this is one reason why our master transportation plan is so important because it is my understanding is if it can it has to be on our master transportation plan to be part of their RTP. So I I can't just come in and say, "Oh, you know what? As a resident, or come to city and say there's this gap in this trail, it has that gap has to be on the master transportation plan as being something we want to do before it can even get this far." Is that right?

That's correct. Your plans are the building block of our building blocks of our plan. And it's it's there's got to be a pretty significant issue for us to come in and say, "Hey, ORM city, you really need to put this in your plan because we got to put it in our plan to fit regional needs or whatever the case may be." Great point. And if you're going to apply for at least MAGS funding, it is a requirement. It has to be in your plan. And and we make sure the mayor says, "Yes, I know what my people are asking for and I'm okay with that." you surprised where some people say, "Wait, what are my guys asking for?" And I'm No, I had to sign something that I letters that the two I think there were three of them.

Okay. Three applications saying this is what we're thinking about and just say that like maybe nothing that would happen what years and years and years down the road. Yeah. Yeah. So, Orum staff communicates really well with their elected officials. Well, we we force them to at least in this state. I saw ahead, please. How would I know if I'm on a regionally significant road qualify for

That's a really good question. Um, if you uh we So, the technical way that we would signify that is it's a major collector or higher. If you know what the difference between a local a collector versus an arterial road is that hierarchy of roads,

that's typically what we do. And UD do has a map that's called the functional classified map. And basically every road that is not a local street has been designated by MAG, UD do and Federal Highway Administration to say this is a collector road, this is a arterial typically. But for the lay person driving down the road, if it's got signal traffic signals on it and it's got three lanes and it gets you from one side of your community to another or connects you into the next community, those are going to be the lower level of regionally significant roads. Obviously, I-15, State Street, um 8th North, um the Parkway, all of those are obvious. um regionally significant roads, Geneva Road, Center Street, go on and off, but that's generally how you would know that we have a classification system that we could certainly share that link with you and you could put yourself to sleep trying to decide what is what. But yeah, we we certainly can help you understand that.

Did I answer your question? I saw another hand. Yeah. So what um h how much opportunity do you have to um to get so to your point you know the resident says problem here yada yada they come to us we come to you so and I'm just going to give an example because we have this Lynen Temple open house in company I've received several calls and emails about traffic on 400 west in ORM traveling to 2000 How are you guys going to you know and then that brings up the whole discussion why is Lynon and Pleasant Grove coming to our city.

So that and I know you're working on the Lyndon uh the additional little off there between that PG. So at what point ho how do we facilitate those conversations that says hey we would love to see you before things get super bad plan ahead and figure out a way because there's more growth happening in those cities or or is it just when things get super bad what what has been your experience

that is a great question and the answer is yes and well and and I'll answer that by saying the ideal is certainly helping us understand and I could go to a slide uh what we need from you is but really early identification of some of these needs helping us understand what's happening in your city what's your plan for the future and helping us understand how that could change the transportation system um in your community because unfortunately one of the hard parts about transportation planning is it's a very much a long game, right? When we're talking about those projects that are in the tips, those projects, we've already b we do and this is standard practice across the country. We've already identified we've spent all our money out through 2030 2031. So if you came to us and said, "Hey, we got this problem. We need to fix it now." And it was big expensive kind of thing, we'd kind of have to say, "I wish you would have talked to us five years ago." Right? Um, so being very involved and engaged in helping us understand your plans for the future to hopefully help avoid that become before it becomes a problem is the ideal way and the best way to do it. Unfortunately, the flip side of it too is sometimes, well, and we see this a lot, we are growing so fast that there's lots of fires out there that were trying to get a hold and put out fires and so it makes it we do end up sometimes playing catchup as well. And a great example of that is anybody that's driven to Saratoga Springs, Eagle Mountain lately or you know we can think I could name a handful of places where you're like oh going to vineyard shoot you know they build a city and a I I

call it a fishbowl right with between the railroad tracks and the lake and the you know it there's lots of issues out there and so we're scrambling out there trying to catch up and deal with some of those things as well. So really the best part is being engaged in our process really thinking hard about what's ORM's priorities what what are the issues that we see or foresee and let's see if we can work with MAG to figure out what's the best solutions to those problem allow us to work with you U you do UTA whoever the right partnership is to say okay how do we get this done because a lot of times especially with the big projects. It's it's a coalition of a lot of people, a lot of work, and a lot of coordination. And that's what we're trying to do best we can is to bring the group together and have those conversations. Yeah.

Any kind of related to this? I actually have two questions. One not related to this one. I we're noticing a lot more traffic coming out of Provo Canyon. So, I wonder if you can talk to us about what you see happening there. you know, Canyon, I I think that is my my my personal read on that is mostly a lot of that is due to usage of the canyon, especially in the summer, right? Um it's become a destination for recreation and to just the growth in Wasach and Summit counties. You guys probably all know this, but a big problem they have is they're growing like crazy. But only I think the last time I saw 30 to 35% of units or homes built up there are owner o not owner occupied, but they're are primary residents. A vast majority of the of those are second homes. And so one of the problems they have is a school teacher or anybody that works up there just can't afford to live up there. So there's probably a lot of commute up there as well is probably part of it. It's growing like crazy up there for sure and just the growth down here. So I think that's a lot of the issues that you're probably seeing and it's probably going to continue. I would assume so just with growth and I mean I'm a I grew up in Lehi when Lehi didn't have a traffic signal in town and there was 100 kids in my graduating class and now it's it's I can't I don't recognize the place anymore. Right. It's just the pluses and minuses of living in a good economically thriving place like Utah is. And that's something we got to deal with.

Well, I would love to see that just at least address because in the summer you get lines from the light at the bottom of the hill all like miles back. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You do. I know is does have plans to look at that mini interchange and they've worked with your group a lot to talk about that. So there's there's plans in the works. I don't know if they have a funded project in the next five or 10 years. I can highlight something that he said was a lot of times he's take sort of multi- jurisdictional partnerships.

Absolutely. So, um, Ryan could give just a brief update on what he heard from you do as it relates to the continuous, uh, turn into ORM from the canyon. Yeah, they're they're currently working on a design for a project. Um, I don't remember the year though off the top of my head. Have to look it up. Do you remember? It was relatively soon though. Yeah, they're working on design. I would assume they usually don't start design until they've got money to build it relatively quickly. So if they're working on design design, I'm guessing I could look it up and tell you in a little bit. It would take me a few minutes. So yeah. Yeah.

Okay. My next question just tangential is um you talked about you look at new modes of transportation. Have you addressed at all um these this proliferation of electric transportation? So electric bikes, wheels, all those things.

We we get we get it all. Right. Um, that is a that is a great question and we're starting to get more and more questions about that. You know, five years ago we were we're building like the Murdoch Canal Trail seemed like huge. It seemed like this huge wide trail. Why could we have where why could we ever have uh problems on it? And now with prolition pro excuse me proliferation of that we don't really have a great solution for it. right now it's really in an enforcement and unfortunately it's kind of at the city's feets to kind of say well how are we going to deal with that? I would imagine that more and more if we start to see more and more use of those kinds of transportation modes that we might see a proliferation of things like um cycle tracks where it's kind of like a trail but only for cyclists and and it's a little bit more safe than just being in a bike lane or just off the side of the road. If we re really start seeing a lot of that, we'll start probably planning for more of those kinds of things. UD do has the Utah trans Utah trail network that they're dealing with a lot of that kind of stuff, but we also we we grapple with a lot of different transportation mode issues like on demand air mobility. We're actually working with UD do right now to start UD do's actually working on identifying potential locations where it could work and sharing with cities best practices to identify locations and regulation about how that could be in the future. We also get lots of questions about a lot of different things like connected and autonomous vehicles. If you if all of our if everybody drove a Tesla that talked to each other, we could actually they're so efficient that we could actually get lots more capacity out of our existing system. But we just got to

catch up to the technology. Another big one that we've dealt with in the past is people that work from home. During before the pandemic, I think Utah was pretty high and we had roughly like I want to say 10% of people with that work from home full-time during the pandemic that skyrocketed and everybody loved it because when you drove you're like wow where did all the congestion go? This is great. And at the time we grappled with well what and people would say nobody's going to go back to work. Nobody's going to have to go back to the office. Well we've seen that that's changed but we had to grapple with what does that mean? Because if we think we're going to jump to 20 or 30% in the future, you know, that can have big effects on our long range plants that we don't want to undersshoot, so to speak. So, there's lots of different technology aspects that we deal with. We don't get a lot into the regulation of those electric um scooters and bicycles and so forth just because that's kind of outside our that pol that that policy and regulation is kind of outside of our purview. We certainly could act as a maybe a gathering point to have conversations about it. I know Wasach County's really struggled with this and they all came together to kind of do a standardized regulation of it so to speak. I was going to say that's what we would like your help with because you know you already provide a a venue for all of the mayors to together and elected officials and so we we want to make we want to approach it in a with a unified front and so we've been pairing materials to bring you know what some cities and and counties do and so

for the April MO meeting. Okay, great. Yeah, for that. So

let me just throw something else on answering your question. Um, a lot of that then happens at the transit agency level. For instance, um, UTA looks at a lot of that what we call first mile, last mile type connections to their to their facilities, to their stations and to their systems. So, a lot of that planning work from that perspective happens with them. Again, that's more local. So, it's not so much our purview from a regional perspective. And also as as Bob mentioned with the regulation and the and the codifying of of those regulations that falls on to the the local government level. Madame Mayor, I will also let you know that one of the things you will hear at the uh NO board meeting on Thursday, you we had talked separate committee under the no for kind of looking at growth topics and things, but we decided to maybe back from that and make it more of a regional forum. So these are some of the topics that we'd like to see in that regional forum is that you guys can all talk about them together and and come to some maybe maybe ORM as the as the initial legislation and then Provo adopts it and Lehi adopts it some of those kind of things. So we don't like to make that as a part of our regional growth a great topics. How do we deal with this micro transportation?

Y we've we've got to go to a closed door session. So about five more minutes and and any other questions we're happy also you can always request us to come back. We're here to serve you and answer your question. So you may council Ryan an answer on the mouth of the can. Yeah. So UD do's currently in a concept and estimate phase without consultants. It's not done. Um, I don't think that means it's funded, but that's the first step to get funding is to have the concept in

Yeah. And then I just wanted to share that Bob meets with our engineering team every month and with UD do and UTA and we are always talking about all these projects together and and he's fantastic to work with and look forward to bringing Kevin more. I know Kevin's fairly new, but I'm better than Kevin. But

Oram's your favorite city. 100%. This isn't being recorded, right? Are actually moving, so don't say that. I I appreciate you. I'm sorry that to probably cut your presentation a little bit. the council. Of course, we can have them come back. There's so much more. I know you haven't covered that. I This was one of those things is when I became mayor was a fire hose. There's several fire hose. This was this was probably fire hose with a capital F and that's why you have us to help you through that.

We also have the presentation and our contact information is in there along with all those links. You need to get in touch with us. We've got we've got business cards and brochures and things that we'll leave with you that you can share or use as confetti and and we're happy to have amazing resources on their website too. All this Thank you for your time. Thank you so much. Thank you. Grateful you can. All right, council. Our food is here. Um I've asked council member Lamson if he would earlier if he would offer a blessing on the food and then after we get our food and we will adjourn to the close session.

Our father in heaven before thee in gratitude to thank thee for this day to thank thee for the opportunity of being together to thank thee for the opportunity of serving. Thank you heavenly father for this food. We ask of thee to bless it that it will be nourishing and strengthening to our bodies that we might use that strength to do good and to serve thee and to serve our fellow citizens. We pray for thy spirit to be with us throughout our meetings this evening that we might have thy spirit to guide and direct us uh here and always. We humbly humbly pray in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Thank you. Before we go to get our food meet, do you want to should we do the motion to adjourn before

mayor? Just to note, I think that we have uh the close session is listed as item 13. So I think you're proposing to take that out of order. Is that right? Yes. Basically move it up. Um and I and maybe you want to kind of split it because I think maybe you want to do a close session partly now and partly now and partly later. Yes. So um just to note for the record, that's what we're doing. Okay. We're splitting up item number 13. And so I would look for a motion to adjourn to a closed door session in the summit conference room to discuss pending or reasonably imminent litigation, the character or professional competence of an individual or the purchase or lease of real property. So moved. All right. Thank you. We have a motion. Is there a second?

Second. Second. Thank you. All those in favor say I. I. U. Any opposed? All right. We met the five threshold for the five. So, thank you. We got the food and taking food upstairs. Go upstairs. I don't mean to sound boss. You're welcome. We invite you to take some food.

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We're going to wait for Councilman Kilpac for just another minute and then we'll go ahead and get started. We have 15 people signed up for personal appearances. So, you know what? I think we can do 3 minutes each, but if you want to do less, great. Whatever you want to do, but the max will be 3 minutes on that. And it's a mix tonight. So, I feel like I feel like a a server at a restaurant. Tonight's specials are short-term rentals and the North Union Canal and then something I Okay, I could read it. So, it looks like that's what's on the menu tonight. So, um not to make light of their comments, but that's what we're Looks like those are all the what the comments will be about. Canal trails, bike trails. So, yeah, we'll wait for Council Member Kilpac.

All right, welcome welcome to our city council meeting here on March 10th, 2026. We're glad to have you here today. Um, just to tell you a little bit we had about our work session items. We had went and had a ribbon cutting. It felt like spring earlier today and then when it came time to cut the ribbon, a great wind rose and it felt like it felt like it was going to start snowing. So, um, so we have a great new water reuse facility that is is going to be coming online that will save millions of gallons, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of gallons of water of of our culinary water that's being used to water uh, golf course, sleepy ridge, and then parks over on the west side. And so we that's we had that today and we had a couple of presentations on that and appreciate you waiting for us. We had a closed door session and and got here as soon as we can soon as we could. Excuse me. So, we'll start with invocation, inspirational thought by Jeff Madson, and the pledge of allegiance will be led by Susan Madson. Turn that over to you. Our father in heaven, we're grateful to live in this beautiful city and for the opportunity to be together to we are grateful for those who see to our needs and help keep us safe and pray a blessing upon them as we begin this meeting. We pray for harmony, mutual respect, and productivity as we see to the needs of our beautiful city in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. You all rise and you can join me in the pledge.

I pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, U Madson. Um, Susan is a new one of our newest members of our planning commission and appreciate your service. Thank you. All right, we have two presentations this evening. Uh, we have the water reuse facility ribbon cutting recap and so invite um Chris, is it you? Are you coming up? And then Chris Shery, our public works director, as well as Reed Price, our assistant public works director. Thank you.

Thank you, Mayor and Council. It was a beautiful day today out at the water reclamation facility. We appreciate your support. It's been 25 years in the making. So, finally had this great day to have the ribbon cutting. Um, I'd like to have turn the time over to Reed to present kind of a recap summary for those that who weren't present and to give a summary of of all of the good things that are happening in or read. Yeah, it was a great day. Um, a monumental day, one that we've been waiting for for quite some time and appreciate the efforts of of my staff to get the facility uh looking so nice. Um, also for Peter Wolfley and the communications team for their helping us uh to look at the little details and make sure that it was a good a good and inviting event. So, wanted to recog recognize them and appreciate your attendance as well. I know it means a lot to uh to our staff to see a support um from you. So, thank you for being there. So, this water reuse facility, when you hear the term water reuse, it you you kind of think it should be reuse water. Well, that's what we're doing. Uh it could also be called recycled water. Um and so we we call it the uh the water reuse and uh nutrient removal facility. This facility has a dual purpose. The first is to treat waste water and use it as a valuable irrigation resource and the second is to uh the facility can also remove phosphorus from the wastewater stream. Um this it has an advanced filtering uh uh um equipment in there that uh will reduce will eliminate phosphorus and uh decrease the amount of nutrients that flow to Utah Lake and and aid in its health. So, I'd like to first talk about the water reuse portion. Um, this has been decades in the making.

It was envisioned back in the late 1990s and efforts were made to uh to to submit an application to reuse um our our wastewater. And it took a bit, but in 2003 uh the application was approved and plans were made to uh uh to knowing that we would be uh developing that someday. And we put pipes in the ground so that we could supply water to the golf course that had not yet uh been been uh constructed. Um as well as extended that pipe to our lakeside sports park which was under construction at the time. Uh but uh it's been a long time. Uh we started in about 2019 with an engineering firm to design it and started construction uh a little over a little under 3 years ago and today was the final day. So why was this vision uh made back in the late 1990s? Well, there's three key reasons. Um, one is as as uh the mayor and Chris mentioned, it saves millions of gallons of drinking water. We're essentially using water two times. Water that would have just gone on our um uh would have gone on our lawns uh now can be or sorry, not on our lawns, on the the uh turf at Sleepy Ridge Golf Course and Lakeside Golf Course. water. The drinking water that would have gone there will now be uh reused water. Water that went through our system through a rigorous treatment process um and made clean and suitable for irrigation. It's also a natural fertilizer. Um reuse water contains nutrients such as phosphorus and nitrogen. Those are things that our parks won't

have to add because we're we're adding it through um the the reuse water. It's also droughtproof. Now, drought proof's uh kind of a strange term, but there's always going to be a supply of waste water that comes down through our treatment plant and we will be able to to use that when it comes through. So, where will we be using it? Well, we'll be using it at Sleepy Ridge Golf Course. They need about a million gallons per day uh in order to keep that uh the course nice and green. uh Lakeside Sports Park, which is programmed by our parks and recreation department, um with uh soccer and softball and other sports. They'll need about 400,000 gallons per day. And then uh right next to the uh wastewater treatment plant is Springwater Park, another neighborhood park uh which will uh which will be connected at some point in the future. it it uh the first two will begin receiving uh reuse water this spring. Spring water we still need to connect and at some point in the future we'll make that connection. So one question that we get is is reuse water safe and it absolutely is for uh for irrigation? It's it is clean. It is is cleaner than most of the other communities that have secondary irrigation systems that don't treat their water. it just comes straight from a a surface water such as a river or other runoff. And so this particular water type, it it's it's a it's a different it's one that's hasn't been used where we're cleaning waste water and kind of has an ick factor, but we we uh we treat it to type one reuse standards um which includes double disinfection. So it's treated with UV uh

to kill which is the way we currently have always treated it for for many years and then in order to use it for reuse we have to have a slight chlorine residual as well. So we inject chlorine at the end of the treatment process and basically double disinfect it. That said it is not suitable for human consumption. So, we don't suggest that parents let their children drink from the sprinklers. Um, it's dangerous anyway. Uh, but uh but it's it's perfectly safe to use for irrigation purposes. Now, I mentioned that this was a dualpurpose facility. The other purpose is to remove phosphorus and recent regulations because of the algae blooms at Utah Lake um have uh given a we have been given a phosphorus removal requirement where we have to get our wastewater flow down to 1 milligs per liter or lower and that became effective January 1st 2026. Before this, we did not have one and uh the discharge that we would send out there ranged from 1 1/2 to 4 mg per liter. So, we had to uh it's a it's a significant amount that we need to to drop it. We can push this lower if we need to. If regulations come out where they say sorry, one's not good enough, it's not helping the lake, we need to push it to 0.5 or 0.1, this technology that we have will allow us to do that. um mentioned that we had 1.5 million gallons that would be needed uh to irrigate these the uh the golf course and the parks. We get about 9 million gallons a day. So, a lot of the flow isn't going to be used for irrigation and we don't irrigate during the winter time either. So, most of the flow will go through and be treated for phosphorus. So, that's that's uh that's

going to be a major portion component of that. Um, we can switch back and forth. So, we want the phosphorus in the reuse water. We don't want it going to the lake. We don't we already disinfected it once, so we don't need to dose it with chlorine a second time when it goes to the lake, but we have to dose it uh with chlorine when it goes to reuse. So, um we uh we will meet the type one reuse regulations and this will be a great thing for the city. Some questions have brought up how was this funded? Um, it was a uh initially estimated to be a $10 million project that ended up costing $21 million after the uh impacts of the CO 19 pandemic. Um, we planned to spend $10 million uh and needed to find another 11 million. We found $13.5 million in different grants uh from a representative at the time, now Senator Curtis, uh helped us get an appro a $3 million appropriation. And we received ARPA fundings, which is uh COVID funds from the federal government in the amount of $7 million from the Utah County Commission. They had a a funding that they could determine how to how to distribute it. The Utah Governor's Office of Economic Opportunity uh provided a $1 million grant and a $2.5 million grant from the Utah legislature for Utah Lake improvements. So about $7.5 million came from bonding and will be paid by the users of of uh of Orm City, our residents. So, we feel that this is a a uh great investment, a great uh a great um it's been a great process to um uh to to to come to fruition and uh we're excited to uh to to use the

facility and and look forward to the benefits that it that it will provide for decades to come. Thank you. And this is Thank you. This is this is a big deal. It's a really big deal. I remember when I before when I was on the council talking about this back in the olden days and been talking about so excited for what it's going to do with water conservation and good work. Any questions for Reed or Chris Council comments? What's that? Well, you do. Okay.

Uh this is enormously impressive. I'm so delighted that we have this in our community. I just think it is uh the culmination of so much work from so many people over many years and I just want to say u how excited I am about it. I think it's fantastic. Thank you, Mr. Rico. Oh, um Council Member Mstein.

So, I love this project as well and it's the it's just a great example of the kind of forward thinking that ORM does to protect our infrastructure moving forward into the future. We all know we live in a desert and that water is one of the most valued commodities we have. And so to to see projects like this go forward and for us to be good stewards of what we have. Way to go, past, present, everybody who's worked on this project, it's just a fantastic thing for our community and such a great example for the rest of the state. Thank you.

Thank you. We we'd like to say that the cream rises to the top and it doesn't go away. So over 30 25 years ago, you know, this idea was, you know, conceived in in conjunction with others and the state allowed for us to to submit plans to do a reuse project. We didn't have the appetite or the funding available then, but we did today and we overcame a ginormous hurdle of the $10 million gap resulting from the CO 19 pandemic and the uh uh supply chain issues that were a challenge there. I would like to mention also that former mayor Young was instrumental in that $7 million grant that we obtained through Utah County and that was uh a huge monumental um um step in that in that in that in that direction. So Reed and I were able to go and present our project to that council to the to the commission um among many other cities and other players in the in the community and area and we felt really comfortable but we were unsure and I know we walked away thinking you know I think we're going to get it but you know we'll see. And then they did they awarded it and if that had not happened this would have been dead in the water excuse the pun but literally dead in the water. So, we are so grateful to the council, the mayors, current and past that have supported us, and for Senator Curtis, for Representative Kennedy, and for all of the other players that I'm involved. We've had enormous support from Lynen City. Um, we treat 100% of their their waste water today for about 12 12,000 people and then a good portion of southern southern port uh part of Vineyard south of For South. So, it's a regional facility and it's it's a wonderful blessing for our community and for future generations and is expandable and scalable and we are teaming up and working with Central Utah Water Conservancy District on expanding the facility to be able to provide more water for future generations. So, thank you for your support. All right. Thank you, Council Member

Millet.

I just wanted to say one thing. I was in a meeting a couple weeks ago and it was um very interesting. There was a comment made by someone who lived on the west side of the lake, a derogatory comment about our green um parks, you know, golf course, and I just wanted to on that Zoom call say, "Yeah, but do you know how we're doing it?" And this is it. We're recycling water. We are doing it. Uh we are out in front of this. You are. And I appreciate your efforts and like you said, everyone from the past that has done this because this is the way we're going to be successful at doing that balance of providing these beautiful areas for our kids to play soccer, for our residents to um get outdoor entertainment and get some vitamin D and be out there and thank you for what you've done.

Yeah, thank you. Right. Thank you. Anyone else? Oh, Council Member Lamson,

I just I just want to add um to to Crystal's comment. I I marvel of the vi at the vision that you all have had in putting pipes in ground when there was nothing connected to those pipes, knowing that one day this would happen and and so then you just needed to kind of make those connections to get the water to the end of the row, so to speak. Um so, thank you. Uh and and again, I know that goes back generations. Uh but thank you for the foresight and vision to put to add that piping as you're doing new developments and and as things move along. And I'm excited to hear that it's expandable and scalable and that that this is not the end of it. This is just the beginning. So, thank you.

Right. Thank you. All right. The next item on our agenda is a presentation um employee appreciation day um with our presenters Amy Peterson who is the city's HR manager and Pete Wolfley, communications manager and public information officer. So welcome.

Okay, thank you. Good morning or good evening mayor and council members. LA this past Friday was National Employee Appreciation Day and it was a great day for us to recognize the incredible people who keep the city of ORM running every day. Thank you for this opportunity to publicly recognize the many contributions of the city's employees. Much of what our employees do to make ORM clean, friendly, and a wonderful city happens behind the scenes. Much of the work is done in the early mornings and the late nights and doesn't receive the attention it deserves. But our dedicated employees always keep the mission in mind and strive each and every day to build a better ORM. The employee culture we have here is truly one of a kind. Employees who have worked at other organizations or even other cities tell us that what we have in ORM is really special. While we celebrate the professional contributions of our staff, I also want to share a personal experience that illuminates the truly exceptional culture of our organization. Following a recent cancer diagnosis, I had the privilege of I've had the privilege of witnessing firsthand the kind of thoughtful and deeply supportive nature of our employees. The outpouring of generosity has been overwhelming. From thoughtful gift baskets, cards, flowers, and our firefighters bringing my family dinner, and countless employees stopping by my office between treatments to check on me. This profound support from our ORM family has helped me get through some very tough days. It is clear that the dedication of our employees extends far beyond their job descriptions, affirming that ORM employees are without a doubt truly the best. On behalf of the human resources team, we want to express our sincere appreciation to every City of ORM employee. Thank you for the work you do and for the pride you take in serving this community. And then now we'd like to show you a short um video that Pete Wolfley and his communications team put together.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm just going to also express my appreciation to the wonderful, wonderful staff we here. We have a at the city of ORM. It's it's an amazing environment and it's a privilege to serve with with all the employees and it it's a it's a great place and Amy, I wish you the best in your treatments and um I'm sure other council members would have something to say as well. Okay, Council Member Gail,

I have been in office now for just over two years and the one thing that has just struck me again and again and again is how amazing our city staff is. Everyone, everyone is is just awesome and we really appreciate the things that you do. You keep our city moving and most of it is behind the scenes and most of it residents don't even realize, but you do it so well and we're so grateful. So, thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Um, Council Member Kilpac.

Thank you. I I just also want to reiterate the blessing that it is to inter interact with all of those who are uh city employees, the staff and all those that come to create what we enjoy as citizens and as elected officials as we participate in this marvelous area of a collection of families in a community where we really truly feel that blessing and that opportunity to to gather together and do great things. and the culture is really exemplified in the power of what you do with each other, for each other, for us as a community. So, thank you all who uh serve in any way in our city as employees. Thank you.

Thank you. Any other council members? All right. Thank you. All right. Our next item on the agenda is our consent item. We have approval of the February 24th, 2026 meeting minutes, city council meeting minutes. Um, might entertain a motion. Mayor, I move that we uh approve the meeting minutes from February 24th, 2026. Right. Thank you. I have a motion. Is there a second? I'll second that. Right. Thank you. We have a motion and a second. Um, I'm going to start I usually start over, not to break with tradition, start down here. Um, Council Member Lamson, how do you vote? I I I I

I I I.

Right. Motion carries. Thank you. Item number nine is time for personal appearances. Time has been set aside for the public to express their ideas, concerns, and comments on items not scheduled as public hearings on the agenda. Those wishing to speak are encouraged to show respect for those who serve the city. Comment should focus on issues concerning the city. Those wishing to speak needed to have signed up before the beginning of the meeting and encourage you to please limit your comments to three minutes or less. So, we'll go ahead and we'll start with Lysa Gatus. Is Lysa here? Oh, there you are. Welcome. And then the next person is it Tonyie? Is there someone named Tawnie here? Okay. Hey, I'm going to just if you could say your la put your last name so we can hear your last name for the record when you when it's your turn.

Mayor and council members, thank you for your time. My name is Leicia Gettis and I'm a resident of Oram. That feels really loud. Um I also operate a basement apartment as a short-term rental. We are owner occupied and it's been a wonderful blessing to us and also to our neighbors as we've been able to uh facilitate a lot of their family members as they've come into town for special events. I'm here today to express my support for a clear, enforcable short-term rental policy rather than an outright ban. A ban may seem like a solution, but it actually removes the city's ability to manage short-term rentals effectively. Banning short-term rentals does not eliminate problematic short-term rentals, but regulating them does. A well- definfined policy would give the city the tools it needs. Licensing, inspections, parking standards, occupancy rules, and the ability to shut down bad actors, which we fully support. I fully support. Without these guidelines, enforcement becomes inconsistent and nearly impossible. In my neighborhood, the difference between short-term rentals and long-term rentals is striking. I have four short four short-term rentals within a five-minute walk of my home. Um, they are clean, cared for, and quiet. Owners take pride in maintaining them because reviews and guest expectations depend on it. Meanwhile, also within a few doors on either side, I have five long-term rentals. Uh, these are consistently in violation of existing ordinances, the homes have overcrowded parking, property neglect, and continuing ongoing issues that are far more disruptive to our neighborhood than any of the short-term rentals are. This highlights a key point. The issue isn't short-term rentals. It's the absence of standards and enforcement tools. A policy would fix that. A ban would not. A thoughtful short-term rental policy allows the city to set clear expectations for property care and maintenance, regulate parking and

occupancy, enforce quiet hours, hold operators accountable through licensing and inspections, protect neighborhoods from problem properties, whether short or long-term. And importantly, it allows responsible homework home homeowners like myself to continue contributing positively to the community. Many of us rely on this income to offset rising living expenses and remain in ORUM. We want to comply. We welcome the rules and we want consistency. I urge the council to adopt a balanced short-term rental policy, one that supports neighborhoods, supports enforcement, and supports responsible homeowners. Thank you so much for your time and your service. Thank you.

All right. Tonnie, you're up next. And then on deck, we have Chris Hammond after Tonnie. I can't remember her name, but I agree with everything she just said. Um, Lisa,

that was great. My name is Tonnie Merrill. M E R R E L L. I am an ORM resident and I do have a landlord license and I have a VBO next to my home in Oram. And we've had a very pleasant experience. Uh, we've never received complaints from our neighbors. As a matter of fact, two of my neighbors have actually rented our home um so that they could have a gathering place for family when they came for special occasions or the holidays. Um one item that I have not heard brought up at our any of the city council meetings is that the STRs do pay lodging taxes on every rental in addition to the property taxes assessed to all property owners. Um, these taxes include a mass transit tax at the district level as a general sales and use tax. Um, Oram City, Utah County, and Utah State all receive accommodation tax and general sales and use tax. And these taxes total 14% of every user's total booking amount. Thus, ORM city, Utah County, and Utah State all benefit from the taxes on STRs. Um I'm sure the city treasurer should um be able to provide you with an annual report on um the revenue generated by STRs. Um one other thing that I don't think anybody has mentioned is um our VRBO has had several people rent from us because they are coming to Utah County for specialized medical treatment. Um in particular brain trauma treatment. Apparently, there's one in Provo that they come to and they require facilities that are clean, that are quiet, and that they can have their patient come to and feel calm and relaxed and stressfree, be able to cook their meals at home and not be exposed to, you know, whatever is out in the community. So, um I think that's

one more reason why it's important that we have short-term rentals available to people that have that need. Um, earlier today I sent an email to each of you and included a list of possible solutions that may be helpful to both sides of this STR debate. um including parking restrictions and guest limitations. Um STR owner monitoring of their property, requiring STR owners to be a Utah resident might be a good idea and providing event regulations if someone has an event at their rental. and also providing um STR host training class that would um require every owner who has a short-term rental to take the class so that they would be eligible to be a host. So, I hope that some of these suggestions are helpful to you in your discussions as a city council on how to regulate STRs in ORM so that all those that are impacted have a more positive experience. Thank you.

Thank you. and I'll look I'll look for that email and and read it. Appreciate it. Next up is uh Ms. Hammond and then after her Jeff starts with a G. Uh it's about the North Union Canal. Okay. Is that you? Okay. You're next. I'm sorry. I look forward to hearing you say your last name. Hi to all of you. Guess what? It's the old lady one more time. Take your breath. I'm here again.

Welcome to come. So, I'm a real estate agent and this last weekend I have a family who is looking to purchase a home so that their huge family can have a gathering that is a short-term rental. So, we traveled all over to Camas, Coleville, and Midway and Heber, and I had to research regulations before we went. And in all of those cities, they did not eliminate short-term rentals, but have done some regulation. And some of the things that I thought were important were the guidelines were using the size of the home uh as far as occupancy standards, things like not parking in uh um front of someone's driveway as a restriction. But one of the things that I think is important is in the state legislature, even HOAs can no longer restrict or um ticket people that are parking on the street because it's public and you pay taxes to use those streets. And so I I have a concern about that. Not that in my particular home I think we would have plenty of parking. Uh when the discussion uh about changes in ORM for short-term rentals started over a year and a half ago, it started out with the understanding that we were going to find some way to work together and that we were going to problem solve on and improve communication with the city and the neighborhoods to be responsible owners. Unfortunately, something has changed in the last while. The conversation has become increasingly negative and divisive. ORM has moved to being an A+ place to be to a D and it's no longer Family City USA. The public dialogue surrounding this issue has created different perceptions of Worm and its residents. Many people now feel hesitant to speak openly and engage in civil discussion, some forming opinions about short-term rentals without ever having been there and used them. In my research, the role of the city council, as far as what I have learned, should be

expected to be something that is objective without bias, carefully weighing both the positive and negative impacts of any policy decision. It is certainly true that not every short-term rental is a good neighbor. It is also true that not every long-term rental or property owner is a good neighbor. There are issues all over the way. This raises the question of is it the role of the city to enforce every neighborhood dispute or establish fair policies that addresses every documented problem uh although the responsible residents to use their property. Um there has been open discussion that short-term rentals create a problem with availability of housing. Yet currently there are 150 rentals and 181 homes for sale. I cannot see a correlation between short-term rentals and the decrease in housing. I hope that each member of the city council will take a moment to put yourself in my shoes and the shoes of those who are property owners and continue to use a responsibility and a an unbiased position to consider what you're going to do. I believe that responsibility of the council is to approach the issue thoughtfully and without prejudice fully informed about both the benefits which are many of short-term rentals which we've discussed. My hopes is that ORM will continue to live up to the spirit of family USA a place where different families, different needs and different housing options can coexist respectfully and where everyone feels welcome. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, Jeff, you're up. And on deck we have Dean York.

Good evening, mayor and council members. My name is Jeff Gaffane and I live a couple hundred feet from the North Union Canal and I'm here tonight because I believe we have a rare opportunity in front of us. It is my understanding that a canal is being decommissioned. That quarter through the city is about to become idol land and I think we have a great opportunity to turn in an asset that will benefit the community for generations. We've seen this type of trail work here in ORM. The Murdoch Canal Trail is a 17-m long paved corridor that now serves hundreds of thousands of users each year. We can do that same thing again here. There are currently several grant programs specifically designed for projects like this. UD DOT's Utah Trail Network program has already funded canal trail conversions across the state, one in Verle and one in Riverton, and they are actively looking for new projects to fund. There's other grants that are available as well, the transportation alternative program, the land and water conservation fund, and the federal build grants. All of these funds would help alleviate the resources needed by the city to build this trail. Many of them will cover up to 80% of the construction costs. The key to accessing that money is getting the quarter in the regional transportation plan through the mountainland association of governments. That is the door that opens all these other opportunities and the timing matters. UT trails divisions is in the middle of building out a statewide master plan right now and the projects that are in the pipeline get prioritized for funding down the line. Um, I'm asking the council if they would be willing to direct the city staff to contact the MAG and potentially Utah Division of Outdoor Recreation to begin a feasibility conversation about the North Union Canal Trail. Uh, that at least puts us in the room as the

opportunity for funding arises in the future. Thank you so much for your time and service. Appreciate all your help. Right. Thank you.

Thank you. Um, so I is it Gary? Is it the one with Gary that I would need to or Steve? I I'm going to ask for an update on where we are with the trail with the canal at some when we get done with with the other comments just just at the end of the public appearances because I know this is something that that we as a council I believe we discussed at our retreat about our desire to have to to we expressed interest in in looking into that. So, I just don't know where we're at right now on that. So, we'll go ahead and have Mr. York um present and then after him, Janette York will be up. She's related.

So, Dean York, a longtime ORM resident and uh Airbnb owner, uh locally owned and operated. We are within walking distance of our Airbnb that sleeps six. We have a lot of people come in for hatchings, matchings, and dispatchings. Also, uh like we said before, medical issues. We have people that come to uh our place because they like the quiet, uh home feel that they get with that. What I've loved and what I've heard so far is that people aren't just bringing you problems, they are bringing you solutions. So, I'm just asking you to to weigh those solutions. Uh I served in uh public service for 29 years in a local city here and uh you have uh businesses that have occupancy loads and only you know so many people can be in those. Uh it's based on square footage. It's it's based maybe on how many bathrooms they have. There are certainly things that you can look at that would help. And none of us want to be a bad short-term uh owner. We want to have good experiences for the people that come in and uh you need to have accountability from us but there has to be rules and there has to be standards set that we are all familiar with that we can we can contribute with that. I live in the Hillrest area and a majority of the Hillcrest area is a lot of apartments. And so in in past meetings I've heard about people saying, "Well, we want people that put down roots in in in our areas." And uh most of those apartments are going to be students. They're not going to be here for very long. So in our local uh clergy, in our local meeting houses, we have a lot of turnover, a lot of transient type turnover. So, uh, we are such a small group, uh, these short-term, um, owners that a lot more effect I see out of

apartments than than from us. So when we talk about putting down roots, uh my grandfather Milton Jameson, uh he was a mayor here in Orum and so my roots do run deep, but uh just the area that I'm in with all those apartments, my Airbnb doesn't make a whole lot of difference. And the people that come, my one my last group was from LA. They came because their son entered the MTC and their comment was what a great experience it was to have those last few days together after the after they were going to have a two-year break from their son. So, there's a lot of benefits from us and and as my time runs out, I do appreciate uh the time that you put in and I know it's a it's a sacrifice on your part as well. So, I just wanted to say thank you.

Thank you. All right, Janette York and then Zack Golding is on deck.

Okay, mayor and council members, thank you so much for listening to our concerns. Um, my husband and I, we have lived here for 43 years and our children now live here with our grandchildren. So, it's wonderful that we've got to stay here in this tight community because we love living here. Um, the thing that Dean neglected to say, we're living on the same property as the old mayor of Orm City where this Airbnb is at. So, it's kind of ironic. Um, so, um, we had to come up with something to help us with our income now that we are retired and we have this duplex and so we have renters that have been in there and as they have left, we're shocked at the damage that renters do leave because they don't really care cuz it's not their property. So, after having so much damage, we decided to make one of those an Airbnb. And as you can imagine, we put a lot of money into this. It's not easy to create an Airbnb. So, we took a chunk of our savings and we put it to good use into creating a a beautiful Airbnb. We purchased all of our furniture here in Oram from Ashley Furniture, all our appliances from RC Willy and Costco supplies monthly abundance in our Airbnb. So, we keep a lot of our business with our Airbnb here in Oram. Um, in our Airbnb, we also have a list of grocery stores. um restaurants, coffee shops, all sorts of things so people can go to. So the people that stay with us, we keep them here within our community spending their money as they come in to help help with economy. Um here we have one of our many

many guest books. People come in, they send us pictures, they tell us all sorts of things. And um I did mark one. It happened to be a medical one as well. And it says here, Dean and Janette, staying in your home has been such a blessing to our family as our father was in the hospital. Um, and it was comforting for us to have a home away from home. So, a lot of people make the comment about how homey our Airbnb is and how grateful they are for that. Our guests that are staying with us right now are from Seattle. We've had people from all over all over the country and a few out of the country and it's like how did you find us? This is crazy. Little old Orum. Um but the comment they made to us this morning at 10:10 was I'm constantly blown away with how um perfectly you have created this space. It is clean and it has everything that is within need and the views take my breath away. This is a high stress week for us with intense emotions. So much um is going on. We are grateful to have this space to call home base and we are truly blessed. So we constantly have comments like this. Um and as my husband says, weddings, blessings, BYU, everything, vacations, the medical is amazing, graduations. We have over 162 reviews and we would encourage you to go in and read those to see how blessed we are with this Airbnb. Um it has been a great decision for us to create this Airbnb and we've been very blessed with it. So we would hope that you would keep that in your considerations. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Right, Zach. And after Zach Bennett

Cookson will be up after uh Zack Golding. Greetings, Orm City Council. My name is Zach Golding and I'm a resident, business owner, and father here in ORM. I live within the city center and Sharon Park neighborhoods. My wife and I started the Cascade Elementary School bike bus, and we are proud to say we are the largest bike bus in the state of Utah. A bike bus is a large group of parents and children who all ride their bikes together to school one day out of the week. We recently had Mayor Mandalas ride with us last week as well as uh Council Member Lamson last year and we look forward to having many other uh council members ride with us in the future. Um it's been an incredible experience to see kids gaining confidence and independence as they ride on our bike bus on bike bus days. also when they ride on their own during the week. Every month, our bike bus continues to grow with upwards of 70 people. Our route goes directly over the North Union Canal. I am confident in saying that if the North Union Canal was turned into a pedestrian pathway, it will be used daily by the elementary school kids and their families that ride in our bike bus. Another benefit from this potential trail would be people accessing the farmers market here at the city center park every Wednesday during the summer months. As many of you can attest, parking here can be an absolute nightmare. I am also on the I am also a board member of the volunteer advocacy group bike orum that helps with the bike valet where people can park their bikes as they ride ride to the farmers market. We see more and more student more and more residents riding their bikes to this weekly market. We appreciate all the improvements the city has made to the city center park, making it more pedestrian friendly by adding more crosswalks and signals to help with the pedestrians accessing this beautiful community event. This potential future

North Union Canal Trail will only encourage and increase more people to access the farmers market and many other city events in a safe way that reduces traffic and parking. I have spoken with many of you and I know that you are in support of this potential North Union Canal Trail. So, thank you. But I also re realize that this uh project could be a lengthy process with many hurdles and barriers. I am here to voice my support and lend my efforts in any way I can to address any concerns residents have. I'm here to ask for the city council to pursue turning the North Union Canal into a pedestrian-friendly pathway to strengthen our connections in our community. Thank you.

Thank you. And if you've never ridden on a bike bus, it's it's fun. I Zach, I will be there Friday because I had so much fun on it. All right. Um Bennett and then after Mr. Cooken, we have Shauna Mikum.

Okay. So, my name is Bennett Cooken and for the last 16 years, I've run my little piece of the canal to water my trees in in my yard. I'm sad that that there's no longer going to be the canal, but also I've been part of it every year been part of a team that goes and helps clean the extended canal, like not near my house, but miles from my house, up the canal, we're cleaning it every year, which is no longer going to be happening. Um, so I think those canals instead of being a benefit, they're just going to become a hazard. Um, and the other thing is that it's hard to find safe trails through any city. ORM has some particularly dangerous places. I've almost been hit on State Street. Uh, city street, you know, this center street's got really dangerous places. There's not any place to ride. You're competing on the sidewalk. And so there's a unique opportunity to be able to do on those canals because they travel through neighborhoods in ways that there's no way that you could do that without having like the right the canal pathway through. There's no way you could just plow through yards like that. And I think there's a lot of issues with land ownership and stuff, but I think it's worth um addressing those. And I think there's a huge value in doing that. Property values are going to go up. So, I think I do that. And also the other topic of tonight has been the short-term rentals. So, let me just make one comment on that. I thank the city council and coming up with a very reasonable regulations because I think if you don't have reasonable regulations, you essentially have unregulated short-term rentals. And I have cons would have concerns on both sides. And I think that the thing to do would be to have well reggulated good rules. And one example is we have a member of my family

who and I wouldn't rest he lives in tech the owner lives in California. He's an owner but he has a lot of family here including kids children and me as extended relative. And what he'd like to do is take a house that he buy have a house that he can use and have a place to stay when he comes cuz he comes all the time and the rest of the time you can fill in the short-term rentals. Otherwise, you may not be able to afford to have a house sitting there vacant. And you wouldn't want a vacant house anyway. So, I think that's a reasonable use case. Um, maybe the requirement would be not that the owner would have to be a resident, but that the owner would have to have a representative in ORM that could help address problems. Thank you.

All right. Thank you. All right. Um, Miss Mikum is up and then after Miss Mikum, Joshua Moore will be up. Thank you. I'm Shaa Mikum, co-director of Bike Oram. I want to express thanks for the crosswalks around the city center, the temporary roundabout on 900 East. I biked through that every day. It was very fun. Love the heart. Uh Borum's goal is to create safe streets for everyone. And we see the North Union Provo bench canals as a way to support activity and community and just an everyday natural way, an opportunity that won't come again anywhere near the city center. So our our primary goal with the North Union is to have a connected safe trail that ties in with other other trails, important regional trails. Uh to that end, we want to be a positive partner for the city uh in in creating this trail. We understand that it's not going to be an easy process. Uh that the trail may not follow the canal exactly or we might need some very creative interim solutions. Uh we want you to know that we're in this for the long haul. Uh, after all, the Murdoch Canal required a literal act of Congress and scrambling for money during the recession. We did hard things before and we can do it again. Thank you.

Thank you. All right. Um, Joshua Moore. All right. And after Mr. Moore, we have um Kim Pool. Welcome. Hey, I'm Joshua Moore and I'm a runner for Lacage Junior High and I plan to run for Mountain View Junior High or Mountain View High School. Um, ORM is known around the state for its distance running, but what we don't have is a safe running trail that connects different parts of the city. If you're ever on the Murdoch Canal Trail any Saturday of the year, you'll see NCAA champions for cross country and distance teams from BYU, conference champion teams from UVU, and state champion high school teams training. You will see Olympic medalist and American marathon hold record holder Connor Mance and future Olympians like Jane Heningren um out training. Oram is a distance running mecca right now. High school teams and other running city running other people's running on city streets and sidewalks are often risking their lives while crossing streets and avoiding distracted drivers. ORM can make um a safe place to run across the city and we need to do it. Thank you.

Thank you and best of luck in your running. That's awesome. All right. um Kim Pool. Then after um Miss P, we have Laura Redford.

Hello. Thank you, mayor and Councilman. Uh my name is Kim P and I have lived at 1458 North 75 East in Oram since 1991. I've served on city and school committees such as Neighborhoods in Action, PTA, and CERT. In 2021, the vacant house next door had been an eyes sore for seven years with a fire in the overgrown yard and breakins requiring city responses. When the house went up for sale, I reached out to developers Kim and Sheree Best. I also called my daughter Katie, who had been unable to afford a home. We worked together on a plan to fit our needs and improve the neighborhood. To ensure our plan was legal, Katie explained to the city that she would rent the basement apartment to the bests, who would then operate an STR as their own business. The clerk admitted this was an unusual arrangement and asked a supervisor for a second opinion. Only after both confirmed everything about the arrangement was compliant with city code did we continue with the plan. The best bought the home and rebuilt the top floor and Katie purchased it. excuse me, from them. In March 2022, after Katie moved in, my husband and I, using retirement savings, financed the significant cost of the basement remodel, including an exterior backyard entrance and wider driveway in keeping with city code. Imagine my confusion and frustration when last year I found out that ORM claimed there was a long-standing law which prohibited STRs. Not even city employees knew about that law when we were asking for clarification. And now the law surfaces. I expect better from my city government. I reflected my opinion of the dismissive attitude of current elected officials during last November's elections. I hope

new leadership will be more representative and less reactional. These are some of the reasons um I support lawful short-term rentals in ORM. Short-term rentals and accessory apartments provide needed income to many families, especially with the drastic increase in housing costs. To suddenly change longstanding lensure would result in significant economic hardship. ORM guests re and this is a second one. ORM guests rely on short-term rentals due to a shortage of hotels in a city of nearly 100,000 people. Short-term rentals are often a second business, often a family business. and I thought ORM supported small businesses. I have no complaints about the short-term rentals nearby. Guests are peace, respectful owners and try hard to avoid disturbing our quiet neighborhood. And I would second some of the other opinions that a lot of the rentals in my neighborhood are much less maintained than the short-term rentals. If existing ORUM laws for parking and noise are broken, then those short-term rentals should be fined and have licenses revoked. Why punish those who do follow the rules? Right.

All right. You if you want to hand it over to um our city recorder, we'll make sure we get a copy of that. Thank you. All right, Miss Redford. And after Miss Redford, we have Cheryl Radmull. Hello. Hello, mayor and city council. My name is Laura Redford. My family and I live in the Northridge neighborhood of Oram. The Union Canal runs along our backyard and sideyard. I'm here to let the council know that I support turning the canal into a path for walking and biking. I have concerns about what will happen to the canal now that it won't run water. Who will be in charge of its upkeep? It already causes problems with weeds and thorny blackberry bushes that come into our yard, and I could see it collecting trash and other debris. As a homeowner, I would love to be able to install a gate and access a path for walks, biking, or even roller skating with my kids. I know there's a lot of property owners along the canal. Um, and it can be tricky to do this. Nevertheless, I urge the city to take up the project. It will provide a safer route to Tempenogus High School um and other schools along the canal. I serve on the transportation advisory commission for the city and our uh city has made great strides in making school crossings safer for kids. I really appreciate that effort and I feel like this would be an extension of that and getting kids to school safely. It would also be a terrific addition to our active transportation options in ORM. Thank you for your work on behalf of ORM residents. I appreciate your time. I hope you will seriously consider devoting city resources to this project and like Zach, I am willing to help as needed.

Thank you. Thank you and thank you for your service on the transportation commission. Right after Miss Radmall, we have Sarah Baitman.

Hello. Thank you for this opportunity. I am Cheryl Ratmol. I am a new member of the neighborhood commission. Um, I do have a few thoughts about short-term rentals. I'd like to read a statement my sister wrote. Uh, she could not be here tonight because she had a meeting at her school. I live in the neighborhood in the southwest in southwest Orum. It is located just a few blocks from UVU. I have lived in my home for the past eight and a half years. In late 2005, the home next door to me was sold to someone who lives in Hawaii. In early 2000 2026, I realized the home had been opened as an Airbnb. It is a sixbedroom that allows 17 guests to stay in the home. It has been filled at least 3 days each week since opening. Uh because of the large number of guests that are allowed, there are always at least four vehicles associated with the party staying in the home. The driveway cannot accommodate that many vehicles, so the additional cars must park on the street. About a block and a half down the street is another Airbnb. It is a home with nine bedrooms that allows 30 guests to stay. I know of another home on the street behind me that is using their basement apartment as an Airbnb. So, within a block of her home, there are three Airbnbs, two of them running to large numbers of people. So, I'm afraid her experience is very different from the owners here that are speaking. And um and like I say, the house next door to her is um the owners aren't even living in state. Uh so I have a couple articles here uh that I want to read real quickly from. Airbnb began as a friendly alternative to hotels, an idea rooted in connection and authenticity. But over the past decade, it has morphed into a powerful force in global real estate. one that is now blamed for distorting housing markets, accelerating gentrification, and altering the social fabric of cities. While travelers may see see convenience and charm, many locals see displacement, unaffordable

rents, and communities hollowed out by over tourism. Italy, Croatia, New York City, Spain, all popular tourism destinations with severe housing challenges have recently launched crackdowns on holiday rentals. And this year, Montreal is set to implement one of the strictest laws against short-term rentals in the world. So, my time's running out. I can leave this article. This article is from the Harvard Business Review. It was written by three professors. Um, it has a lot of controls, a lot of kind of technical talk, but really basically talking about the negative impact economically for housing and for rentals from short-term rentals. So, I'll leave these articles. I can email you copies of them. Thank you so much for your time.

Thank you. Appreciate the information. Right. Thank you, Miss Baitman. And then after after Miss Baitman, we have Brendan Beal. So, welcome.

Good evening, Mayor and Council. My name is Sarah Baitman, and uh this year marks 25 years that I've lived in the Geneva neighborhood. So, thank you for letting us speak tonight. I am here to speak uh to the possible conversion by the city of the defunct North Union Canal into a walking and biking trail. I love the idea of investing in spaces that encourage an active lifestyle and wholesome recreation for families. These public spaces can also contribute to improved social health of our community members, something that significantly factors into quality of life and longevity. I do not live along the canal. Um, but I understand that some neighbors are eagerly supporting the idea and some do not. Uh, that some sections of the canal are more conducive to a safe conversion and others uh than others. So, should the city decide to explore this option, I encourage uh robust outreach and good faith efforts to hear from the neighbors and facilitate creative problem solving for improved buy into whichever choice the city makes. Of all the wonderful assets ORM has to offer, working together as neighbors should be a signature of who we are. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, Mr. Beal. Brendan Beal, right? No, I guess not here. And Derek, is there a Derek here? Okay. And our final person, final guest this evening is Varden Hatfield. If you'd like to come up. Thank you.

Hi, I'm Varden. I'm lived in ORM, Northeast Om for about 27 years now and love it. Um, I'm an avid biker and a a vice chair of the Utah Valley Trails Alliance, uh, where we now have, thanks to ORM City, um, a little over a million dollars of trails under construction this summer and next summer. Um, that's a result of the 500,000 or more that ORM is spending on the Tempenois Foothills Trail. We were able to use that as a match for Utah Valley uh for a Utah State outdoor recreation grant. So um we we're avid connector. I also have a son who had a brain injury 3 years ago and has difficulty with vision and he is able to he loves that Murdoch canal trail. He's able to bike on that and not worry so much about traffic or stop lightss. And um my daughter and I decided to try a 100mile bike ride last last weekend and we were able to ride from our house in Northeast Storm along the Murdoch Canal Trail, connect with Jordan River all the way up to I80 on on dedicated trails. Um but the but the challenge is right now we don't have a good connection through the central part of Oram and the North Union Canal would be a wonderful way to provide that to get right through the center of ORM and even the the backside on the the bottom part of Palisad Drive that hill could connect us right up to the Provo River Trail as well. So, I'm very much in support of the project and and feel it would be a wise use of of resources. The the per capita cost of the Murdoch Canal Trail surely by now is minimal. Um, and I think we'd see even even more use on the North Union Canal

Trail. So, thank you for your support of biking and outdoor recreation, and I I hope we find more of that with this project. Thanks. All right. Thank you. All right. Um, esteemed staff who who can I ask who who can answer questions just very basic about where we are with the canal uh the project and some maybe a couple of the challenges that we face. One of challenge we face I think is we don't own it. So, just a minor one. But anyway, I don't know who who would

mayor and count council. I I can maybe give a a general overview and um and Gary, of course, can can fill in some a little bit more details, but we did uh apply for a grant to help us study this uh turning the the canal abandonment into a potential trail. Part of that study effort would include communication and education with adjacent property owners. Um and then uh since then we have also engaged with um state legislators primarily Representative Nelson Abbott to try to see if there would be sort of state uh assistance and solutions and legislation even. Um, uh, some of that has had limited success, but it's nice to know that we've got advocates, uh, on our side, uh, up up with the state. terms of next steps, um we we need to continue to build partnerships with like MAG who came uh MAG representatives who mountain line association of governments who came to our work session today and then Provo. Uh the east side of this bench uh of this canal right ofway uh is is actually um consists of our border with Provo City. And so if we can uh connect with them and get Provo City support, then I think that would give us a real leg up in in uh getting to a solution and getting to a trail for for this project. If we could just snap our fingers and, you know, have it fully developed and funded and a trail, I think we could develop really quick and easy, uh, you know, general support. Um, but there is some distance between where we're at today and getting to that point. But that doesn't mean we won't continue to to try and and see what we can do. I'm

very encouraged by the public feedback we've gotten here tonight and uh I'm very hopeful that that is indicative of of um our ORM population generally. We we have heard that there are some potential uh uh residents who who live immediately adjacent at least in some portions of the right of way that that may have some concerns and so we'll just need to communicate and collaborate with them and and see if there is a solution that we can get to. If I was a betting person, I think we can get to some solutions along portions of the corridor um at the very least. But again, we'll we'll do whatever we can. Gary, anything else you would add to that? What he said?

All right. Thank you. Thank you to all who have come and spoken on these important issues. Appreciate you taking the time to be here. We're going to go ahead and move to our scheduled items. And we have two. And the first one is about item 10.1 appointments. appointments to the natural resources advisory commission. And so the the way that our our city code reads is that appointments to our commissions uh the mayor makes a recommendation and to to make the appointments with the advice and consent of the city council. So I'm actually going to break this down into several different steps. We're going to vote on each of these individuals individually rather than as a whole group. So the first name I would like to present to the council for the natural resources advisory commission is Robert McFaden. Is Mr. McFaden here? All right. Thank you. Thanks for coming this evening. And so I I open it up for discussion or motion u to to appoint Mr. McFaden to the Natural Resources Advisory Commission.

I motion to appoint Robert McFadden to our natural resources commission. He served on beautifification commission previously and um we're we'd be happy to have him in natural resources if it's approved. I second that. All right. Thank you. We have a motion in a second. All right. And we'll just follow down this row. Um, council member Millet, how would you vote? I I I I I I

All right, motion carries. Thank you and welcome. Welcome to the Natural Resources Commission. We look forward to your service and your expertise. Right. The second I second name being um put forth this evening is to appoint Tara Bishop to the Natural Resources Advisory Commission. So um I would be open to discussion or motion whatever the council Mayor I'd like to make a motion that we table the appointment of Tara Bishop for the Natural Resources Commission. All right, we have a motion. Is there a second? I'll second that.

All right. We have a motion and a second to table the nomination of table of Terra Bishop to the Natural Resources Advisory Commission. All right, we'll go ahead and start with you. Um, council member Mikum. Nay. Put nay. Nay. I nay. I I Okay, so it was a 43 is that we Okay, so um the motion failed the pass. I motion to appoint Tara Bishop to the Natural Resources Commission. I second it.

Okay, we have a motion and a second to appoint Tara Bishop to the Natural Resources Advisory Commission. and I'll start off and I'll vote I Oh, mayor, I'd like to open that for discussion if Oh, I'm I'm sorry. Yes. Any discussion?

I have a comment I'd like to make. Um, mayor and colleagues, I want to begin by saying I appreciate everyone who is willing to volunteer their time to serve on our boards and commissions. These volunteers play an important role in advising the council, interacting with residents, and helping our city move forward. Our boards and commissions are important extensions of the work of this council. The individuals who serve there represent the civic culture of ORM and because of that the standard of respectful engagement and civil discourse matters. Less than five months ago during a candidate debate at UVU an incident occurred involving the proposed appointee. While seated in the front row, there were repeated visible reactions during my responses to the questions and one po and at one point a verbal interruption calling out that's not true which disrupted the debate and required moderator intervention to restore decorum. This exchange is also visible in the publicly available recording of that debate. Disagreement is a healthy and necessary part of civic life. We should welcome differing viewpoints. But in formal public settings, there is also an expectation of decorum and respect so that dialogue can remain constructive. This is not about a personal disagreement or political differences. It is about maintaining a culture of professionalism, respect, and constructive participation in the work of our city. For me, when we make appointments to our boards and commissions, we should apply a

consistent expectation that those representing the city conduct themselves respectfully in public forums. I believe it's important that we apply the same expectations of respectful public conduct to everyone we appoint to represent our city. When we appoint someone to a city commission, we are not only selecting someone with an interest in a subject area. We are selecting someone who will represent ORM in public meetings and in interactions with residents, staff, and city leadership. In my view, it would be more appropriate at this time to consider other applicants who demonstrate the standard of respectful public engagement that we hope to see from those representing our city. Therefore, I will not be supporting this appointment tonight. I hope my colleagues will join with me in upholding a standard of civility, respect, and constructive public engagement for those who represent this city of Oram on our boards and commissions. Thank you, mayor.

Thank you. I appreciate your appreciate your thoughts and your comments on that. Thank you. Is there any I'm sorry I I didn't I neglected to ask any more discussion on on this. Okay, Mr. Council member Mikum.

Yeah, I I do appreciate uh those thoughts um uh that we just heard and also support the idea that uh anyone who is serving in a public capacity uh has an obligation to treat one another with respect and with uh with grace. And I hope that that's something that we can role model as a as a council as we make these appointments. Um I'm I'm grateful for those who are willing to serve and uh I hope that we will hold those that we do appoint tonight to that standard. Thank you.

Thank you. Anybody else? I just want to just say I I echo what um Council Member Mikum says. I I expect in the capacity as commissioners and representatives of the city that they that those we do appoint uphold a standard of respect and dignity and and good behavior. All right. On that note, if there's no other discussion, um I guess it's my turn to start off. I'm going to vote I I nay I nay nay I

All right, motion carries um four to three. Thank you. All right, the next item on the agenda are appointments to the planning commission. Again, these are appointments that um are are recommendations that the mayor gives to the city council with advice and consent. But I would like um to just give a moment to to council member Mikum who is the city council representative with the planning commission to talk about talk about his appointments.

Yeah. Uh thank you, mayor. Uh, as we mentioned in our meeting in February where we also had planning commission appointments, uh, this is a a really important commission. We're we're so grateful for those who serve. Our planning commission chair Maline Coleman is here with us tonight. We're grateful for her service and the way that she uh leads uh that commission uh with grace and dignity. Really grateful for that. Meline u because this is an important responsibility. We've invited uh all of the council members and the mayor to uh consider a range of applicants. We've had uh now uh 15 interviews of planning commission candidates and we anticipate that we will have additional planning commission appointments at some point in the future as well. But I just want uh to to express appreciation to the council and the mayor for taking this uh responsibility so seriously and uh being so engaged in in talking to uh those who are willing to serve in our community. Uh we've really tried, I think, to find a way to um bring candidates onto our planning commission that have widespread support across uh the council. I also want to mention that we do have one council member uh Mike Carpenter who or sorry a planning commissioner Mike Carpenter who um has finished his term. He finished his his term on planning commission in December. He's been graciously willing to stay on for a couple of months beyond that. We've needed him in in that role. He's served an important role as vice chair of our planning commission. And uh uh we just want to express I want to express my personal appreciation for the way in which uh he's really sought to represent ORM and and many of the concerns of uh neighbors around ORM uh throughout his time on planning commission. Thank you.

Right. Thank you. And I too want to express my appreciation to the council for taking the time. It was a tremendous amount of time to interview and and ponder and make recommendations to me as to as to who to appoint. I also want to uh express my appreciation to Mr. Carpenter for his service on the planning commission and appreciate his his interest in in civic matters and and for the the positive contribution that he's made. Going to go ahead and do the same thing as we did with the other appointments. I have two as the mayor. We have two recommendations and we'll just take away each one individually. I first want would like to recommend Micah Ladle to be appointed as a member of the planning commission. Mr. Ladle, are you here this evening per chance? Okay. I don't see Okay. I don't see you. So, that would that would be my recommendation. And

I'll make a motion. Oh, are you ready for a motion? What's that? Are you ready for a motion? I'm ready for a motion. Sorry. Yes, you were asking for one. Um, I I make a motion that we approve Michael and I think it's Liddell to the planning commission. Oh, I am so sorry, Mr. Liddell, if you're in the camera. Sorry, Liddell. I'll second that. All right, we have a motion in a second. Is there any more discussion on Mr. Liddell's appointment to the planning commission? All right, we'll start voting with Mr. K. Council member Kilpac. I I I I I I

I Okay, motion carries. Okay, thank you. And our final re my final recommendation this evening is to appoint Jeff Reeves to be a member of the planning commission. Are you here this evening, Mr. Reeves? He's not. Okay. He's not here this evening as well. So, at this time, I would open it up for discussion or motion, whatever you you see fit. Council, I'd actually like to say something if I may. Okay.

Is it appropriate now? Okay. Um, as we consider these planning commission appointments, I'd like to highlight a principle that I believe is important in the effectiveness and credibility of um that body, our planning commission, and that is one of broad geographic representation across our city. The planning commission makes recommendations that shape land use development and zoning decisions that affect every neighborhood in Oram. Because of that, it is valuable for the commission to reflect a range of perspectives from across our city, not only in experience and background, but also geographically. ORM is made up of many distinct neighborhoods e each with its own character priorities and especially with their own experiences with growth and with development. When residents from different areas of the city are represented on the commission, it brings a broader understanding of how decisions impact our community as a whole. When multiple members live within just a few blocks of one another, it naturally raises the question of whether we are capturing the full range of neighborhood perspectives across ORM. A commission that draws members from different parts of the city strengthens those discussions, improves the recommendations that come forward, and helps the residents feel that their neighborhoods are being representative and represented. And I've heard that several times from certain areas of Orum in my last four years on the council. As we make appointments tonight, I hope that we will continue working toward a planning commission that reflects a full geography of ORUM and represents the diverse voices of our community. Thank

you, mayor. All right. Thank you. Appreciate your your thoughts. Anybody else? Um, Council Member Mustein, we're in a very unusual situation in which we are replacing five commission members at one time due to many reasons as to why that's happening. I question the uh decision to replace a longstanding member at this time, leaving our chair in a position where she needs to train so many people and I just wanted to voice that publicly.

Oh, thank you. I appreciate your your thoughts on that about that. We do have our planning commission chair here in the audience this evening. Um um Chair Coleman appreciate your service and and willingness to to be uh part of our planning commission. Is there any other discussion?

I I I guess I'll also voice my concern at the appointment of this at the replacement of that commission member at this time because of the the number of members who are new. I feel experience is very important on our planning commission and um would like to just do that as a vote of support for our planning commission chair. Sorry about this. All right. Thank you. Yes, I know. I' I've been a planning commission chair before not not in this not here norm but in another entity and yes I understand the goes into that and understand the the Thank you. All right council any other discussion? All right. What would you like to do? I motion to appoint Jeff Reeves to the planning commission. Can we have a motion to approve Jeff Reeves to the planning commission?

I'll second. Okay, we have a second to um All right, we'll go ahead and take a vote. Council member Muellstein. Nay. I I nay. I I And I vote I I Right. The motion carries. Thank you. All right. Right. The next item on our agenda is number 11, financial items. You have in your packet a copy of the monthly January 2026 uh monthly financial statement on that. And just that's for information only. And then number item 12, city manager information items. So we'll turn the time over to uh Mr. Bbeby.

Thank you so much. Um just a few items tonight. So, want to give one last plug and reminder of our state of the city event this Thursday morning at 10:00 a.m. at in our library hall. Um, and then uh I know that you're many of you are probably getting questions and concerns from ORM residents, particularly particularly those that live kind of north of 12th North 1600 North about the uh upcoming uh Lynon openhouse and the traffic that that's going to cause a potential parking. just want you to feel assured and please help assure the residents over there that um ORM is involved. We have been in communication and attempting to collaborate and even offer uh resources and help during the the time of the open house and uh our tiger traffic team has been in communication with Lyndon's staff and and our our public safety leadership. So, uh, and if, uh, you want to encourage any residents to, uh, um, travel south and go shop at, you know, University Place rather than up into Lynon, then that would help with the, uh, traffic as well. Um,

nice news for shopping in Orum. In this, if you ride your bicycle to the temple open house, it's all downhill to university play. and Bardock Canal is right next to it.

Okay. Um I wish I would have said that with a straighter face. Um as you know, the uh state legislative session is is is done. Um we will still have some of our state legislators come in and and present and share some of the things that they feel uh have have been accomplished for for ORM during the legislative session. I will just also um uh say myself that I think that this has been one of the more effective uh legislative sessions that ORM and cities have had and super appreciate the time and effort and uh communication and relationships that you've uh uh developed during the legislative session. It has been effective. One uh that I'm particularly interested in and that we've already got our strate strategy and innovation staff looking into is House Bill 492. That's been a bill that's been in the works for multiple years and it's money being set aside for um uh housing renewal efforts. So, um that's one that uh uh we're we're keeping a sharp eye on and we're we're ready to see if we can't get some of those dollars here to ORM. Um, and then, uh, we've talked a lot about the water reuse project. There will also be a neighborhood meeting this coming, um, Thursday at 6:30 p.m.

Correct. That's right. At the Sleepy Ridge Golf Course. At Sleepy Ridge Golf Course. And that will be to, you know, educate those residents that are more adjacent to that that project that uh, a calendar invite has has been put on your calendar so that you're aware of it. um uh you know, we want to make sure that we're being proactive and and going the extra mile in communication with our residents. If I could if I could insert too, we've we've sent letters with the help of Pete Wolfley and the communications team to all the neighborhood that is adjacent to the golf course and lakeside sports park so they're aware of the transition to water reuse and its benefits and the dos and don'ts of using that water.

Don't drink from the hose, right? or the sprinklers. I'll drink the water. Thank you, Chris. One last little uh shout out to our uh library hall staff. They we have had two um sold out classes for the water wise classes there in a library hall. So, I think that we'll even try to offer some more of those. So, uh, pretty fun that, um, our residents are are paying attention to the programming and and educational opportunities provided in our library hall. That's all I have. All right. Thank you. I do have a question. If you just clarify, when uh when is the next time that we will be meeting in here as a city council?

Oh, good point. Um, we won't have another city council regular session meeting uh until April 28th. So, the fourth um Tuesday in April and that's because uh later this month uh um we are uh t uh mayor and and I and some of uh the exec staff are are taking a trip to DC to uh continue to meet with our federal delegation to get back as many dollars as we can to ORM and to ORM projects. uh much like uh we experienced today in uh at our wastewater treatment plant. And then on April 14th, we will have a uh a work session but not a a regular session because of the um Utah Valley Chamber Pillar of the Valley event that

All right. Thank you. And just so you know, um, council members too, that we did submit how many applications to the Congre, um, congressional delegation for project was it two? Two different projects we're we're asking funding for. And so we'll as when we go there, we'll be we'll be promoting and discussing those. We've been quite successful in recent years uh literally bringing back millions multi-millions of dollars for uh these ORUM specific beneficial projects.

All right. Thank you. Okay, Mr. Earl, I need to a little guidance on how this is supposed to be done because we're we need to go back to our closed door session. So, how how does that motion need to be? Just the same as as you always make a motion just to adjourn to a close session for the purposes stated. Okay. Agenda. Okay. I would entertain a motion to adjourn to a close session in the summit conference room to discuss pending or reasonably imminent litigation, the character or professional competence of an individual or the purchase or lease of real property. So moved. We have a motion. Is there a second? Second.

All right. Thank you. All right. Now, Council Member Mulestein, and did I leave off with you as the first one to vote? Oh, Council Member Gail, I'm sorry. Hi. Okay. I I I I All right. Motion carries. Thank you. We'll see you in April.